No, Obama didn’t humiliate House GOP. They did it themselves.
I could, I suppose, write some 3,000-word essay about the capitulation of the House GOP and how it burnishes President Obama’s reputation as a leader, and how it will make things difficult for Republican leadership when they are forced to revisit the issues again in two months. They’ve already demonstrated that they can’t afford the political price of blocking the bill; on the other hand, they’ve got a core of backbenchers who never liked the legislation in the first place, and whose anger and frustration will only increase after this.
On the other hand, it’s almost Christmas, and I’m supposed to be on vacation. So let’s go this route instead.
Here’s the Washington Post’s take on what happened yesterday:
The headlines on the home page of Politico pick up the theme as well:
And finally, here’s how the conservative National Review saw the outcome:
– Jay Bookman
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getalife
December 23rd, 2011
10:56 am
All that over a lousy forty bucks for workers but they pass trillions for the banks in a day.
Joseph
December 23rd, 2011
10:56 am
Debacle was headlined by the leader of a debacle in the Presidency though Jay. How dare you put your hero Obama in that light…. Americans will come to realize through the media spin that Republicans want a year long extension of the tax cuts. Not two months as Obama and the dems want… The nonsense you and fellow worshipers continue to spew about Obama’s poll numbers getting better are certainly not a reflection of reality… Keep hoping though Jay that one day he will learn to be somewhat of a leader and not just a community organizer and divider….
If I Run In A Circle Fast Enough, I Can Catch Myself
December 23rd, 2011
10:56 am
Thulsa I think you be amiss.
Or amrs. Even ams.
Thulsa Doom
December 23rd, 2011
10:57 am
Bluecoat,
Nope. As Bruno pointed out there is discretionary govt spending and the SS system which is not discretionary. We are basically just robbing from the funding of the SS system and calling it a tax cut. It is not. Its just stealing from SS and that money has to be repaid.
Tee
December 23rd, 2011
11:04 am
What GOP candidate has a foreign policy worth even talking about?
josef
December 23rd, 2011
11:05 am
ME
So, then you will acknowledge that Judah P contained these paradoxes? He was, after all, considered both at home and abroad as “the most intelligent man in America” and the pre-eminent Constitutional scholar of his day–a title inherited by Philip Phillips…
THULSA
It has held up on the DNA…
jconservative
December 23rd, 2011
11:07 am
markie mark – “jconservative….again, this is NOT a tax cut.”
A tax by any other name is a tax. A tax cut by any other name is a tax cut.
The fact that the whole idea of reducing the revenue needed to support an entitlement program is dumb does not change that fact. Just as the idea 30 years ago that the US could reduce government revenue, increase government spending and have a surplus was dumb, as history and the $15 trillion national debt has proved.
And dumb and dumber keep being dumb as we continue to believe that we can keep government revenue low and keep government spending high and everything will be OK.
markie mark
December 23rd, 2011
11:08 am
If I run – Taxes were NOT cut….they reduced the contribution of the employee to SS by 2%. They did not increase the employers share by 2%. Social Security is broke and everyone is trying to figure out how to save it. How in THE HECK can you sit there and say this is a case of republican semantics? Gee whiz, guy……this is just sending SS further down a hole….I am for sustainable tax cuts by reducing other programs or waste….but there is NO correlating reductions to help SS in this case, we are merely paying less into a system that everyone agrees has to be saved….
barking frog
December 23rd, 2011
11:08 am
If I Run In A Circle Fast Enough, I Can Catch Myself, ..Doing What?…
carlosgvv
December 23rd, 2011
11:08 am
Our whole economic and political situation can be summed up in two sentences. For 5500 years now the wealthy, powerful, intelligent and well educated have been taking full advantage of the poor, the weak and those of average intelligence and little education. This situation is as strong or even stronger now than it has even been and will not change in the foreseeable future.
Bruno
December 23rd, 2011
11:09 am
It is now defunding of a singular government program of a specific name. Hey, whatever it takes to make a Republican talking point work for ya. Just don’t think that your weasel words work on anyone with any sense at all
Circle–It is a historical fact that SSI was intentionally created to be a separate entity from the broader federal government, with its own source of funding. I’m not sure how that equates to a nonsensical Republican talking point in your mind. But then again, I consider myself to be more of a linear thinker.
Brad
December 23rd, 2011
11:11 am
You people don’t understand that this so called ‘tax cut’ is cutting the money for Social Security that comes out of your check….other words you won’t have the SS when you retire.
josef
December 23rd, 2011
11:11 am
carlos
5500 years? I daresay it’s been going on ever since our ancestors climbed down out of the trees…
josef
December 23rd, 2011
11:14 am
BRUNO
. “But then again, I consider myself to be more of a linear thinker.”
Which accounts for your frustration in attempting to find order and meaning in a random and chaotic universe…
Bruno
December 23rd, 2011
11:14 am
I said my 10:38 mainly for readers, not for josef.
josef–You must be beside yourself to know that you aren’t one of the unwashed masses.
Thulsa Doom
December 23rd, 2011
11:15 am
josef,
Contrary to popular belief, Thomas Jefferson did not father the children of his slave, Sally Hemings, according to William G. Hyland Jr., author of ‘In Defense of Thomas Jefferson: The Sally Hemings Sex Scandal.’ It was his brother, Randolph, “a ne’er-do-well,” who had a history of consorting with his brother’s slaves.
Hyland, a lawyer and member of the board of directors of the Thomas Jefferson Society, says the DNA results that established a link between Hemings and Thomas Jefferson implicated the wrong man. Randolph, 13 years younger, would have the identical Jefferson Y chromosome as his older brother and would have been a match for the DNA, he says.
Further, Randolph was at Monticello around the time Hemings conceived her children, including Eston, the youngest. Hyland spends a great deal of time trying to link Hemings and Randolph, while exculpating Thomas Jefferson. Hyland argues, in part, that a ruffian, not a refined man, would mingle with slaves.
“From all accounts, he was just a ne’er-do-well farmer,” Hyland says of Randolph in a telephone interview. “He certainly didn’t have the intellect or the training or education that Thomas Jefferson had. But very little is known about him. We do know he was married a couple of times. Sally Hemings didn’t have any other children after he got married. He was at Monticello nine months before she got pregnant with Eston, and he was known to kind of socialize with the servants and the slaves.”
Hyland also tries to overturn theories mapped out in Annette Gordon-Reed’s groundbreaking tome ‘Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings: An American Controversy.’ The effort is not new. A long line of historians has concluded that the affair was unfounded. But Gordon-Reed’s research put it on the map. Hemings was the half-sister of Jefferson’s wife, Martha Wayles, who died in 1782. Jefferson never remarried, and he and Hemings remained silent on the affair.
We’ve never really heard Jefferson’s side of the story. You address that.
He basically denied the allegation in private. He wrote a long letter to his secretary of Navy, Robert Smith, and basically denied the allegations. But he never in public denied it. That was kind of his routine and practice. He believed if he denied one thing in public that another thing would crop up and then another thing. So he never denied it in public, but he did deny it in private to his friends and family. Randolph is really the one who had the affair with Sally. There is no doubt that a Jefferson fathered one or more of her children. It’s just a question of whether it was Thomas Jefferson or some other Jefferson.
Why do you think it’s Randolph?
There were a number of factors. They had the same Y chromosome DNA that would have matched. Again, DNA was never taken from Thomas Jefferson because he didn’t have any male children. Randolph had six male children. Thomas had all female children except for a small infant who died, and the DNA match was to a male child. So Randolph was more likely to be the father.
barking frog
December 23rd, 2011
11:15 am
Mary Elizabeth, it is immensely pleasing to see a product of the
Jim Crow South, with paradox included, defend and praise a man
who would have bought and sold our President.
Bruno
December 23rd, 2011
11:16 am
Which accounts for your frustration in attempting to find order and meaning in a random and chaotic universe…
In my rapidly ripining old age, josef, I freely acknowledge that fact. But, like the proverbial person on the beach who is happy to rescue just one starfish, I keep doing my part.
obama is over
December 23rd, 2011
11:17 am
I am really glad that Obama has finally recognized that tax cuts can be an effective revenue genersting tool.Since he has embraced the payroll tax cut with such vigor, it will be much easier to go ahead and make the tax cut program PERMANENT since it is such a fantastic idea. If Obama is not interested in LONG TERM tax reform, this farce will prove to once again validate that Obama is more interested in SHORT TERM political spin than the LONG TERM fiscal health of the country. His administration has a record of proposing permanent tax hikes to pay for short term tax cuts. This allows the Democrats to have something to run with since they are completrly devoid of meaningful ideas. If the GOP votes against the program, then the Dems can claim they are against tax cuts. If they vote for the measure, then the Dems can say they support a tax hike. Foolish strategy from a desperate party. Fortunately Americans are not as stupid as Obama/Reid/Pelosi think we are. The real test will come in 60 days to see how sincere Obama is about tax reform. He cannot escape the fact that he is responsible for one of the largest tax hikes in history sceduled for 2013.
If I Run In A Circle Fast Enough, I Can Catch Myself
December 23rd, 2011
11:18 am
Gee Whiz, markie, when someone tries to relabel a payroll tax cut as defunding in hopes of transforming the argument to something they perceive as an advantage for them, I tend to call that playing semantics. There is some guy named Luntz, I do believe, that just loves to do that very thing. You ever heard of him.
Bluecoat
December 23rd, 2011
11:19 am
I see orifice continues to want the oil pipeline run through/over an aqufier.
josef
December 23rd, 2011
11:19 am
Thulsa
I accept the Thomas Jefferson the father one…and as for all the whoop-lah around it, I have always maintained that reckon maybe, just maybe, they might have been right fond of each other?
frog
But that wasn’t in the memo at the water fountain…
Thulsa Doom
December 23rd, 2011
11:19 am
“Our whole economic and political situation can be summed up in two sentences. For 5500 years now the wealthy, powerful, intelligent and well educated have been taking full advantage of the poor, the weak and those of average intelligence and little education. This situation is as strong or even stronger now than it has even been and will not change in the foreseeable future.”
About as clear cut an example of liberal emotional rhetoric as you will find.
barking frog
December 23rd, 2011
11:21 am
josef, probably at the other fountain..
Thulsa Doom
December 23rd, 2011
11:21 am
josef,
I accept that he is not the father. Sounds to me like his brother is far more likely to be. In any event it doesn’t really matter. I’m just pointing out that it is not conclusive and as the DNA readily shows a Jefferson fathered her kids. We just can’t prove which one.
Mary Elizabeth
December 23rd, 2011
11:23 am
To Talking Head and others:
From my 10:35 post on Jefferson by Gordon Wood in “Revolutionary Characters”:
“The importance of this domesticated modern virtue to Jefferson’s. . . thinking can scarely be exaggerated. Unlike Classical virtue, it was not nostalgic or backward-looking but progressive and indeed radical. It laid the basis for all reform movements of the nineteenth century as well as for all subsequent modern liberal thinking. We still yearn for a world in which we all will love one another.”
————————————————
Jefferson’s spiritual instincts overlapped with his egalitarian consciousness, i.e. “all men are created equal.” He believed that if mankind were good enough, we would not need government. I believe that, too. However, since mankind has not yet evolved to the point that we do not need government, it is government that can help to keep corporate power and greed in check. Government needs to be watched, also, and that is why our founders established a check and balance form of government. However, by its very creation, they believed in “government.”
Furthermore, I believe not only is America evolving, but that this world is evolving, into a more spiritual and egalitarian one. Perhaps one day, in the far, far future, when mankind is more human and loving, we will not need government at all, but until that time we do need government.
Do not kid yourselves, the free market is not the final answer in the spiritual and egalitarian development of humankind, and, in fact, capitalism can create extreme self-centered greed – as it has in America for the past 30 years. That is not to deny the economic validity of capitalsim to lift people economically, if the top of that capitalistic wealth are not given overwhelming power to control our government through political contributions. The government belongs to the people and laws need to be implemented to control political contributions much more than is presently in law.
As our nation evolves, I support the views of FDR and his 2nd Bill of Rights for Americans (and as a model of human rights throughout the world, as advocated by Eleanor Roosevelt). To this end, our government serves this purpose for the evolution of human rights, more than the “free market” by itself alone. So some of my views overlap with Jefferson’s and some do not. In terms of his core beliefts – his spiritual understanding and his egalitarian views of humankind – I totally support the mind and vision of Thomas Jefferson.
Until the soul of mankind reaches the vision Jefferson dreamed of, I believe our government, which Jefferson helped to construct, serves to fulfill that vision. I saw “the government” do just that during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s.
Soothsayer
December 23rd, 2011
11:25 am
I shore am glad we got this whole Thomas Jefferson illegitimate child thing worked out. You don’t how many sleepless nights I done had worrying about it.
St Simons - its hard to get xmas lights up in these palm trees
December 23rd, 2011
11:28 am
ok, i’m busy today, but let’s just spank this wingnut talky point down
right dam now. God, the things semi-educated people will inhale
and regurgitate.
just like the SS trust was raided for many means necessary, those funds
can be replaced by any means necessary. It was intended to be, but
DOES NOT HAVE TO BE solely through the payroll tax, unless some-
body made a wingnut king of the world while i was asleep.
The Democrats, and Mr Obama’s position, was/is that the payroll tax
increase would hurt the working poor and middle class more, and it
would be draconian and sick to raise those taxes while republicans
would scorch the earth for their masters. The People saw this.
The Republicans clearly underestimated The People.
They are at 8% and dropping.They will pay in November.
And no amount of spinning & wiggling will change that.
Now, let’s go surfin
JKL2
December 23rd, 2011
11:28 am
What kind of idiots come up with a 2/3 of a quarter extention for businesses? Demwits lead the way!
Thulsa Doom
December 23rd, 2011
11:29 am
Sooth,
I don’t think anyone will lose sleep over it. I’m just pointing out that the evidence is not conclusive. 2 sides to every story. That’s all.
josef
December 23rd, 2011
11:29 am
Bruno
December 23rd, 2011
11:14 am
I said my 10:38 mainly for readers, not for josef.
josef–You must be beside yourself to know that you aren’t one of the unwashed masses.
******
Yeah, but I resent that scurrilous charge she made that I am a complex thinker…I have a reputation to worry about…
Thulsa
True. It is a matter of opinion…
frog
getalife
December 23rd, 2011
11:30 am
Throw pee on them and say there is your drug test.
Old Timer
December 23rd, 2011
11:30 am
What difference does it make if the reduction is from the level of SS contribution? Congress has treated SS funds as general revenue for decades and spent them as revenue. Most intelligent members recognized that the “borrowed” SS funds would never be repaid in the long term. That’s why we now talk about SS as an “entitlement” that needs to be cut, in spite of the fact that SS payments are supposed to be a return of contributions. Merely treating the SS contributions as debt is a bookkeeping nicety. SS payments to individuals are now regarded as just another expenditure, rather than a withdrawal from a trust fund that exists separately only in the national imagination. People have been conned for decades, and now that SS payments are becoming a substantial expenditure, they’re regarded as something to be put on the chopping block. We might as well simply abolish the so-called payroll taxes and simply add the percentage to the income tax payable by individuals.
kayaker 71
December 23rd, 2011
11:31 am
“You ain’t gonna’ learn what you don’t wanna’ know”. Jerry Garcia, The Grateful Dead.
The more that the strictly opinionated idealogues on this blog gravitate more and more to opposite poles of political thought, we become more an American who likes to win more than one who is concerned about our well being.
josef
December 23rd, 2011
11:31 am
Sooth
Gee, I thought what was keeping you awake was the Confederates under the bed plotting to blow up some skyscrapers…
Soothsayer
December 23rd, 2011
11:32 am
Hey! Don’t pay me no never mind. I’m just a lowly poster, just like everbody else.
Soothsayer
December 23rd, 2011
11:33 am
Well, that too!
A dad
December 23rd, 2011
11:33 am
Yup, it’s a victory for the POTUS. And Social Security funds are in a lockbox too.
JKL2
December 23rd, 2011
11:34 am
jconservative- A tax by any other name is a tax. A tax cut by any other name is a tax cut.
Is this like the Demwits calling tax increases a “spending cut” because it would theoretically raise more money to reduce the deficit?
getalife
December 23rd, 2011
11:34 am
Why are the cons worried about SS and Medicare when they want to end them?
Does not pass the pee test.
Brosephus
December 23rd, 2011
11:35 am
marky mark
I believe it is finally because a media outlet for us has made enough of an impact that every blog has to spend it share of time denigrating said outlet.
Dude, first of all, media is not just limited to tv, internet, and print. The right has had a virtual lock on radio for a long, long time. I’d probably guess because people who listen to that crap don’t have much else going for them in life, but I’ll save that thought for later. Don’t forget about all your conservative “think tanks” that also march in lock step with websites, magazines, and yes, newspapers. You try to make it seem like Fox News is the great savior of the Rightwing, but the whole idea of the “liberal media” is nothing but a talking point used by righties to demand more time on tv and stuff.
You can try to peddle that crap to someone else, but unlike many Americans, I do know how to read and listen for context. Nice attempt at trying to peddle BS, but I’ve changed enough diapers to know fecal matter when I smell it.
Matters Not – “In 2012 it’s anyone but Obama….”
Really? Tell me why you think Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would be a better candidate for the office of POTUS.
Thulsa Doom
December 23rd, 2011
11:35 am
Why do hot dog packs and hot dog bun packs come in different numbers? One eight and one 10. Its *these* sneaky little inconcistencies that keep sooth awake at night.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 23rd, 2011
11:36 am
What were the differences in the House and Senate bills?
Does anyone have the links?
I would like to see what was agreed upon in the Senate vs what the House couldn’t seem to pass
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 23rd, 2011
11:38 am
TD
Brosephus
December 23rd, 2011
11:38 am
The fact that the whole idea of reducing the revenue needed to support an entitlement program is dumb does not change that fact. Just as the idea 30 years ago that the US could reduce government revenue, increase government spending and have a surplus was dumb, as history and the $15 trillion national debt has proved.
B..b..b..b..b..b..b..but the Laffer Curve?? Supply side and stuff?? and what about the blah blah blah?? You’re gonna make heads explode revealing the truth like that. What you’ve done is the equivalent of telling a 5 year old that there is no Santa Clause.
barking frog
December 23rd, 2011
11:39 am
thulsa 1135, that has always concerned me too and i believe it
is a corporate conspiracy to keep us always buying one or the
other….
Peter
December 23rd, 2011
11:39 am
Our government, much worse than any spoiled child, has sucked the life out of the engine that is the private economy.
Yes during the Bush administration this happened.
Now it looks like the economy is back on track, and the CEOs are getting flat out RICH.
snoqualmiefalls
December 23rd, 2011
11:39 am
Boner should just resign and let Cantor take the Speaker role. Let us all see how Cantor manages the ideologues in the Party, the arrogence of the Party and the craziness of the Party. Go ahead Comrade Cantor show us your stuff.
getalife
December 23rd, 2011
11:40 am
No doomy.
What is in those hot dogs that keep you up at night?
Soothsayer
December 23rd, 2011
11:40 am
Thulsa: if hot dogs come 6 to a pack and buns come 8 to a pack then you simply have to buy 8 packs of hot dogs and 6 packs of buns! Simple, really!
It’s a capitalist trick to get you to buy more than you would otherwise.
Then, of course, you got to invite a whole bunch of friends over for a cookout!
Hey! I didn’t mean to hurt everone’s feelings. Heck, I was just kinda makin’ a little joke! People are just too dang serious on this here blog.
getalife
December 23rd, 2011
11:41 am
If cantor grew a beard he would look like josef’s favorite President.
Brosephus
December 23rd, 2011
11:42 am
Why do hot dog packs and hot dog bun packs come in different numbers? One eight and one 10. Its *these* sneaky little inconcistencies that keep sooth awake at night.
That’s to make you buy multiples of each if you want to have the same number of both.
josef
December 23rd, 2011
11:42 am
Brosephus
SE
Welcome to the Occupation
December 23rd, 2011
11:42 am
carlosgvv: “Our whole economic and political situation can be summed up in two sentences. For 5500 years now the wealthy, powerful, intelligent and well educated have been taking full advantage of the poor, the weak and those of average intelligence and little education. This situation is as strong or even stronger now than it has even been and will not change in the foreseeable future.”
You are correct.
It’s staggering, really, when you look at just how little has been learned. It’s as though WWII, Weimar, the Depression, and WWII never even happened.
Looks like we’re going to have to learn all these lessons again.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
December 23rd, 2011
11:43 am
No need to worry, Jay, this all gets fixed come November, from the White House, through the Senate, etc., etc. If the Republicans can not control the message in the state-controlled media, the Tea Party will. Merry Christmas, everybody. Better times ahead in 2013.
Peter
December 23rd, 2011
11:44 am
If the Republicans can not control the message in the state-controlled media, the Tea Party will.
Hey Vast Right Wing Conspiracy ….. what is the message from the tea party ?
AmVet - Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year
December 23rd, 2011
11:45 am
Bro, how about a GOP ticket for 2012 of Ahmadinejad/Chavez?
(Since Elmer Fudd/Herman Cain has “suspended” his campaign”!
josef
December 23rd, 2011
11:45 am
getalife
“If cantor grew a beard he would look like josef’s favorite President”
He’d look like either Grover Cleveland or Harry Truman?
JKL2
December 23rd, 2011
11:46 am
st simons- The Democrats, and Mr Obama’s position, was/is that the payroll tax increase would hurt the working poor and middle class more
We know employers are just going to run out and start hiring people based on a 2 month extension…
Here’s your sign.
barking frog
December 23rd, 2011
11:47 am
Have the Dixiecrats become the Dixiepubs..?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 23rd, 2011
11:47 am
Bachmann/Palin can anyone say PMS and the nuclear codes?
Brosephus
December 23rd, 2011
11:47 am
josef
Gotcha!!
Bill Orvis White
December 23rd, 2011
11:48 am
@peter
The rightful Tea Party agenda is about putting choices and freedom back into the hands of taxpaying Real Americans who care about this once-free nation’s future. Folk like are concerned with Hussein Obama’s soaring deficits, out-of-control taxing and spending, weak-kneed foreign policy approaches and high, high regulation. BTW, I clearly answer your questions with common-sense answers that most of this once-free nations wholly agrees with each day after they read their bibles.
@josef
Real he-men like me, Mr. Beck and Speaker Boehner DO CRY when WE THE PEOPLE in the Tea Party are lied to and are so wronged.
What is WE THE PEOPLE? “We The People” are those who are dedicated to Judeo-Christian ethics which made this once-free nation great. I KNOW that we will return to the values that made us the world’s leader when either Governor Romney or Speaker Gingrich are sworn into office in January 2013.
Merry Christmas/Amen,
Bill
Brosephus
December 23rd, 2011
11:48 am
AmVet
That would give their ticket more cred on foreign policy.
Thulsa Doom
December 23rd, 2011
11:48 am
Brocephus,
Come on now. The right owns talk radio and that’s pretty much it. The left tried talk radio with Air America and AL Franken I think and of course it failed miserably. Nobody wanted to hear that crap.
As for TV there is Fox on the right. Then there is MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS although not many watch it. Its at least a 5-1 advantage there. And don’t even try to say the networks don’t lean left. They do.
Newspapers? Seriously? Sure. There are some conservative papers like the Washington times but the sheer preponderance of the major papers out there leans heavy left- particularly the biggest city papers out there- NY times, LA times, SF Chronicle, Chicago tribune, Dallas morning news, AJC, Detroit Free Press,etc. Its overwhelmingly liberal so don’t even waste your time pretending its not. In print media as in TV its not even close.
Magazines? Both have their share but in looking at the supposed neutral magazines like Time and Newsweek those lean left as well. Don’t believe me. How else do you explain that Newsweek editor writing that Obama is “sorta like a God, looking down on it all, taking it all in”. Or was that the ABC news anchor that said that. No. I think I got it right and that it was Terry Moran of ABC who said Obama had “lowered himself into taking the job of potus”. How gracious of Obama to humble himself into such a position that was clearly beneath him.
In internet media its about equal. Both left and right have numerous sites, blogs, authors, etc.
But otherwise the right owns talk tv and that’s it. TV, newspapers, and mainline magazines are all squarely on the left.
And if you don’t believe that then you should have watched O’reilly’s interview with Bill Clinton where Clinton sat there and openly acknowledged that the media was cheerleading Obama in 08.
josef
December 23rd, 2011
11:49 am
Brosephus
You’re our resident mathematician…am I right you’d have to buy at least 40 of each?
Butch Cassidy
December 23rd, 2011
11:50 am
JKL2 – “What kind of idiots come up with a 2/3 of a quarter extention for businesses? Demwits lead the way!”
What kind of idiots approve 2/3 of a quarter extension for businesses? Republicans lead the way.
Peter
December 23rd, 2011
11:50 am
Folk like are concerned with Hussein Obama’s soaring deficits, out-of-control taxing and spending, weak-kneed foreign policy approaches and high, high regulation.
Hey Bill………Then explain the deficit under Bush, his War spending, and out of control deficit, and the fact he raised the deficit ceiling how many times ?
How do Tea Party folks expect to pay down the deficit, and to pay for the Bush wars ?
Thank you !
JKL2
December 23rd, 2011
11:51 am
getalife- Why are the cons worried about SS and Medicare when they want to end them?
Why do you insist on putting the end of medicare on the Republicans? The end of medicare is called obamacare.
Erwin's cat
December 23rd, 2011
11:52 am
talk about a shallow victory
Peter
December 23rd, 2011
11:52 am
Your Bibles ?
I clearly answer your questions with common-sense answers that most of this once-free nations wholly agrees with each day after they read their bibles.
What does a Bible have to do with Politics, or policy ?
Where in the Bible is it said we should pour money into the military, and invade a foreign land ?
Brosephus
December 23rd, 2011
11:52 am
What is WE THE PEOPLE? “We The People” are those who are dedicated to Judeo-Christian ethics which made this once-free nation great.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!! What made this country great is that those with money and means have consistently been able to exploit the labor of others for their financial/political gain. First, it was indentured servitude, then forced servitude (Africans in the South and East, Chinese in the West), and now under-the-table servitude. The people who REALLY made this country great is the hard working people who’ve carried this country on their backs, and I’ll be glad to see the day when they stand up for themselves and quit allowing their exploitation.
markie mark
December 23rd, 2011
11:53 am
Gee Whiz, markie, when someone tries to relabel a payroll tax cut as defunding in hopes of transforming the argument to something they perceive as an advantage for them, I tend to call that playing semantics.
Someone else please try….my head is getting bloody and I am getting a headache
Brosephus
December 23rd, 2011
11:53 am
josef
buying what?
markie mark
December 23rd, 2011
11:53 am
thump…..thump…..thump….
barking frog
December 23rd, 2011
11:53 am
cat, 1152, would you rather discuss a shallow defeat?
josef
December 23rd, 2011
11:54 am
Brother Bill
Just keep doing the L-rd’s work as you are now. Your reward in the Great Beyond will be assured…
They BOTH suck
December 23rd, 2011
11:54 am
JKL2
“We know employers are just going to run out and start hiring people based on a 2 month extension…”
Actually they will hire or not hire based on current and projected demand……….
But I digress oh wise one
josef
December 23rd, 2011
11:55 am
Brosephus
Hot dogs (8) and buns (10)
JKL2
December 23rd, 2011
11:56 am
AmVet- how about a GOP ticket for 2012 of Ahmadinejad/Chavez?
obama’s hero on the GOP ticket? ROFL!
barking frog
December 23rd, 2011
11:56 am
They BOTH suck,..What?…
Brosephus
December 23rd, 2011
11:56 am
We know employers are just going to run out and start hiring people based on a 2 month extension…”
Actually they will hire or not hire based on current and projected demand……….
But I digress oh wise one
Amen. If they didn’t go out and hire on a 10 YEAR cut, what makes one even form the idea that they would do so on a 2 month cut?
getalife
December 23rd, 2011
11:57 am
josef,
Honest Abe.
jk,
With w losing 23 million jobs and these tax cuts, they cut the funding for SS and Medicare for the future.
They do not stand a chance unless we recover all those lost jobs and make it illegal for them to get their greedy corrupt hands on those funds. Payback all stolen funds.
Not going to happen.
Erwin's cat
December 23rd, 2011
11:57 am
frog 11:53 – sure, they are equally unimpressive
Brosephus
December 23rd, 2011
11:58 am
josef
If by 40, you were referring to the total number, then yep!!! 5 packs of hot dogs and 4 packs of buns.
Brosephus
December 23rd, 2011
11:58 am
Enter your comments here
Doggone/GA
December 23rd, 2011
11:59 am
Josef,
“Hot dogs (8) and buns (10)”
Hot dogs (8) – buy 10 packs = 80 hot dogs
buns (10) – buy 8 packs = 80 buns
barking frog
December 23rd, 2011
11:59 am
cat 1157 …I thought you knew they were sucking something that
i was unaware of…
They BOTH suck
December 23rd, 2011
12:00 pm
Bro
That is unless you get Hebrew Dogs then you only get 7 to a pack………
JKL2
December 23rd, 2011
12:00 pm
butch- What kind of idiots approve 2/3 of a quarter extension for businesses? Republicans lead the way.
I guess I missed the part where all the Demwits voted against their own bill.
josef
December 23rd, 2011
12:00 pm
PETER
“Where in the Bible is it said we should pour money into the military, and invade a foreign land ?”
Mark 12:17
BROSEPHUS
@ 11:52
But firs we gotta get rid of them Messicans… :_)
Mad Max
December 23rd, 2011
12:00 pm
cosby – minor correction; your SS deduction is part of your taxable income so there is no increase in revenue to big brother associated with it.
The whole thing is a deficit spending bribe of the working class to drive a bigger wedge between people so that eventually we all turn to our government and accept any solution. It will be impossible to repeal, much the same as the “Bush” tax cuts are because if you repeal them, you will end up taxing the lower and middle classes of our society. That is why all the “repeal Bush cuts” fail because 70% of the cut would fall on this group.
AmVet - Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year
December 23rd, 2011
12:01 pm
JKL2, it is your gang that constantly writes here – anybody but Obama.
Being one of the biggest Barry haters here, I presume you would endorse that Ahmadinejad/Chavez ticket?
Peter
December 23rd, 2011
12:01 pm
Hey Bill Orvis White… what about the folks who don’t read the Bible ?
Soothsayer
December 23rd, 2011
12:02 pm
Let’s see now, if I buy:
Hot dogs (8) – buy 10 packs = 80 hot dogs
buns (10) – buy 8 packs = 80 buns
Then, that means I’m gonna have to invite Redneck Convert and the “Missus” over for a BBQ.
barking frog
December 23rd, 2011
12:03 pm
Hot Dog conundrummers, Use tortillas…
josef
December 23rd, 2011
12:03 pm
getalife
You know what, he would look like (Dis)Honest Abe…hmmmm….
They BOTH suck
December 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm
TD
“Come on now. The right owns talk radio and that’s pretty much it. The left tried talk radio with Air America and AL Franken I think and of course it failed miserably. Nobody wanted to hear that crap. ”
You are correct but I think your premise is wrong. There are sheep on both sides… with the success of right wing talk radio, it appears they have a larger flock of sheep willing to be brainwashed with talking points day in and day out then they left…………
IMHO
Merry Christmas
JKL2
December 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm
they BOTH- But I digress oh wise one
Not according to the Demwits and the sheeple on here. Neverconfuse common sense and leadership with the obama administration.
Brosephus
December 23rd, 2011
12:05 pm
They BOTH
Then you go to 70 (10 packs of hot dogs and 7 packs of buns) as that’s the least common multiple between 7 and 10.
josef
If we get rid of them, then what about the Hondurans, Guatemalans, and Salvadorians???