No, Obama didn’t humiliate House GOP. They did it themselves.

I could, I suppose, write some 3,000-word essay about the capitulation of the House GOP and how it burnishes President Obama’s reputation as a leader, and how it will make things difficult for Republican leadership when they are forced to revisit the issues again in two months. They’ve already demonstrated that they can’t afford the political price of blocking the bill; on the other hand, they’ve got a core of backbenchers who never liked the legislation in the first place, and whose anger and frustration will only increase after this.

On the other hand, it’s almost Christmas, and I’m supposed to be on vacation. So let’s go this route instead.

Here’s the Washington Post’s take on what happened yesterday:

washpo

The headlines on the home page of Politico pick up the theme as well:

politico

And finally, here’s how the conservative National Review saw the outcome:

nationalreview

– Jay Bookman

484 comments Add your comment

gm

December 23rd, 2011
8:05 am

Thank you GOP for letting America see who you really are””””

FrankLeeDarling

December 23rd, 2011
8:06 am

Bohner is a petulant child obama had to give him a time out

King Of All

December 23rd, 2011
8:06 am

#1 Priority is to make Obama a 1 term President. The Republicans cannot even do that properly. Oy Vey!

King Of All

December 23rd, 2011
8:09 am

Jay – “how it burnishes President Obama’s reputation as a leader”. Also shows that he is a very skillful politician.

Aquagirl

December 23rd, 2011
8:10 am

One of the d-bags whining is Mr. War Criminal Allen West. I hope that thug spends his holiday sucking the bitter lemons of defeat.

King Of All

December 23rd, 2011
8:11 am

Give the fools enough rope, tie a noose and call it Tax Cut , throw it to the fools, let them yell “NO” and hang themselves with it.

independent thinker

December 23rd, 2011
8:11 am

The best part was Mitch McConnell telling boehnhead and his retarded tea bagger freshmen to shove it and get with the Senate program.

Working Class American

December 23rd, 2011
8:11 am

Merry Christmas President Obama and Thanks!

bill arp

December 23rd, 2011
8:12 am

A two month bill? Seriously? Don’t know why they can’t commit to a one year deal. Ridiculous, on BOTH parts!

Bill Orvis White

December 23rd, 2011
8:13 am

Here I go again: Speaker Boehner, I love you, but I’m disappointed. You didn’t stick to your core conservative principles. The rightful GOP Congress needed to strike a deal whereby the payroll extension goes 12 months and the Keystone Pipeline goes forth which will create more than 20,000 good jobs. Further, if we scrapped the tax code and passed a balanced budget amendment, we wouldn’t even have this payroll tax fight which was created by this president. Good job, the MSM convinced this once-free nation to make the Republicans look bad. It’s a tough filter for FOX News and talk radio to cut through. I have a lot of friends who are falling down on the job. I’m praying that my Tea Party brethren will be up there to stop this raw two-month deal. This is a rip-off of the worst kind.
Disappointed in Speaker Boehner and Senator Brown. I really feel that we need to recruit Tea Party challengers.
Merry Christmas/Amen,
Bill

godless heathen

December 23rd, 2011
8:15 am

But we can’t afford a tax cut. The omnipotent Federal Government needs the money to continue its good works.

barking frog

December 23rd, 2011
8:15 am

Another example of the President merely waiting while
the republicans shoot themselves in the foot with
machine guns.

carlosgvv

December 23rd, 2011
8:16 am

And yet, come election day in 2012, millions will vote Republican. Why? Because between now and then Republicans will fill the airwaves with brainwashing propaganda and, by election day, their core supporters, who mainly come from the lower orders, will gladly vote for them again and dutifuly rail against that Socialist Obama.

Aquagirl

December 23rd, 2011
8:20 am

Here I go again: Speaker Boehner, I love you, but I’m disappointed.

Can this relationship be saved?

Talking Head

December 23rd, 2011
8:21 am

This is truly a victory for Obama…I just hope the voters don’t forget this battle as being one of his biggest highlights. Do even think about $15 trillion in debt, the budget deficit increasing by trillions, the crony capitalism picking winners and losers in our ‘free market’, the ever stagnating economy, and the short term successes of various ’stimulus’ packages that haven’t added any significant stimulus to anything except the debt. No these things shouldn’t even come to your mind in this next election.

Bill Orvis White

December 23rd, 2011
8:23 am

@Aquagirl
It’s a love-frustrated relationship between me and Speaker Boehner. I gave the man $200 to help unseat Nanny Pelosi. Now, he’s making me upset by caving into the Beltway Crowd and the MSM. A two-month deal is a joke when much bigger things can be done to cut the Socialist-Democrat out-of-control taxing and spending.
Merry Christmas/Amen,
Bill

Rightwing Troll

December 23rd, 2011
8:25 am

“Thank you GOP for letting America see who you really are”””””

If this is what it took for America to see how they “really are”, especially after the last 2 years, then we truly are lost, god help us all…

barking frog

December 23rd, 2011
8:26 am

BOW, WOW True confessions of a political nature surely will bring a tear
to the Speakers eye when he reads this blog…

Mary Elizabeth

December 23rd, 2011
8:28 am

Who have been the powers behind this unfortunate drama? Both the Tea Party element of the Republican Party, and the political influence of Grover Norquist.

And, who have been the financial backers of both the Tea Party and Grover Norquist? Certain corporate powers who have decided to inflict their Libertarian ideology upon America.

Butch Cassidy

December 23rd, 2011
8:29 am

Being as it was the Republicans that “caved” this time, I can’t help but think that the first thought that went through Obamas mind was

” Now you know how it feels bitches!!! ” :)

Cherokee

December 23rd, 2011
8:29 am

Bill I really hope you recruit lots of Tea Party challengers – toss out all those sellouts who wanted to extend the tax cut for middle class Americans!

Peadawg

December 23rd, 2011
8:32 am

Butch @ Cassidy

That’s funny I don’t care who you are….definitely gave me a good laugh.

Finn McCool (Run Newt, run! You da man!)

December 23rd, 2011
8:39 am

cave, baby, cave.

AmVet - Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year

December 23rd, 2011
8:40 am

This is an outrage.

Letting working Americans keep more of their own money?! Communism! Socialism! And bears, oh my!

Government can do nothing right!

We have to fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here!

Class warfare!!

If there is even a one percent chance that we can get away with screwing the middle class, we have to treat it as a certainty.

Income redistribution!

We need the $9.99 plan, and we need it now! (hey, Moe, where’s Herman?)

Butch Cassidy

December 23rd, 2011
8:41 am

Peadawg – “That’s funny I don’t care who you are….definitely gave me a good laugh.”

Glad I could brighten your day Pea. Merry Christmas! :)

gm

December 23rd, 2011
8:41 am

1 year extension was Obama orginal plan but the selfish idiots on the right, once again trying to upstage the President of the United States, at least the rep of past who did not agree with civil rights or other bills came togather for the good of the country, but these selfish brain washed fox news retards rather stomp on the middle class then to work with the President.
President Obama rise in the polls shows people are looking at a bunch of Anti Americans who rather destroy this country just to get power for 2012, thats right retards on the right continue to listen to high school drop out millionaire rush slob limbaugh and no news fox to tell you how the President hates you, what a bunch of sickos on the right”””

Talking Head

December 23rd, 2011
8:41 am

“Certain corporate powers who have decided to inflict their Libertarian ideology upon America.”

Right because libertarian ideology (you know upholding indivdiual rights, freedom of speech and expression, political freedom, and limited government) had nothing to do with the idea of America. You can’t find these ideas anywhere in our founding documents, no siree bob.

Winston Smith

December 23rd, 2011
8:44 am

Oceania Has Always Been At War with Eurasia

reebok

December 23rd, 2011
8:46 am

I keep waiting for the Republican Clown Car to run out of Bozos. All Obama needs to do is do nothing, and the GOP will hand him the election next year.

Bill Orvis White

December 23rd, 2011
8:46 am

@barking frog
I cry just as much as Speaker Boehner and Mr. Beck when I see the damage that has been inflicted upon the American people. Prosperity, opportunity and respect for life have been tossed out the window like a beat-up rag doll. Debauchery, disrespect for human life, a weak defense and high taxation have been “in vogue” since January 2009.

@Cherokee
I am reading between the lines here and let me guess: you would like to tax the rich-better known as “punish the achievers” and “reward the deadbeats.” Our corporations pay the highest rates in the world. Every job creating corporation has its employees pay taxe$. Those employees could pay the full tax amount to keep the company stable if this once-free nation could scrap the tax code and cap gains. More money would be in their pockets and we would not be talking about this payroll tax crap. What a joke! Good night!
Merry Christmas/Amen,
Bill

Talking Head

December 23rd, 2011
8:47 am

gm,

i am sorry that you have no sense of history and choose to be lied to every day. i’m sure it has been discussed here several times (but you should have been tought this in school, but hey i can’t blame you for an inefficient education system) but….
“1 year extension was Obama orginal plan but the selfish idiots on the right, once again trying to upstage the President of the United States, at least the rep of past who did not agree with civil rights or other bills came togather for the good of the country”

The 1 year extention came from the House. The ‘rep of past who did not agree with civil rights’ were in fact the Democrats. History.

markie mark

December 23rd, 2011
8:49 am

While those of you on the left are busy patting yourselves on the back, we still remember that you are the party that couldn’t pass a budget for two freakin years….and while you keep hailing this as a victory for “the common man” type of tax cut, the adults still remember that SS is failing, and what this false tax cut does is strip the funding even more. Which means in the very near future, we will have more SS funding battles…..you guys really dont understand what a false hollow victory this is? Remember this when you start throwing stones at the right when we are trying to be fiscally responsible about programs that you hold near and dear….

dw

December 23rd, 2011
8:50 am

I love how tax cuts are the be-all , end-all of republicanism.. EXCEPT when it benefits working folks! Morons

Down in Albany

December 23rd, 2011
8:51 am

Nice cut and paste job there, Jay. The headlines should be “Obama / Dems refuse to negotiate, kill 20,000 jobs.”

scott

December 23rd, 2011
8:51 am

wow…i cannot believe how clueless some of you are. This “cave” by the GOP does not create any certainty in this country….something it needs desperately. The GOP wanted to do what the Pres wanted to do and extend for an entire year. The Dems merely wanted to kick it down the road for another 2 months so that we can have this same political posturing in Feb. How stupid can you clowns be?

Donna P.

December 23rd, 2011
8:52 am

Thank goodness Jay is going on a Christmas vacation!

Aquagirl

December 23rd, 2011
8:53 am

It’s a love-frustrated relationship between me and Speaker Boehner.

I would recommend couples counseling, but we all know you’re not really invested in this relationship—Ms. Coulter is your true soulmate.

Brosephus

December 23rd, 2011
8:55 am

Butch

I’m with Pea, that s**t was funny!!!!! :lol: :lol:

Do even think about $15 trillion in debt, the budget deficit increasing by trillions, the crony capitalism picking winners and losers in our ‘free market’, the ever stagnating economy,

I doubt very seriously that people are gonna think that ONE individual is responsible for that $15 Trillion. Both parties are equally culpable in that debacle as they have been back-n-forth in control since EVER and neither party has done anything other than add to the total. As a matter of fact, bot parties are equally at fault for everything you listed there, so don’t even try to portray it as being one-sided. Most anything politicians get involved in eventually ends up being a clusterf**k, and you’re basically proving that by your post.

Steve - USA

December 23rd, 2011
8:55 am

It amazes me that any Democrat or Republican is happy about this 2 month extension. It is another example of not getting the job done. What incredible event is going to occur in the next 60 days that will suddenly put everyone on the same page? Any negotiation over the next 60 days could have been done over the last month just as easily.

Winners? No one

Losers? The American people

mike thompson

December 23rd, 2011
8:56 am

Not to worry Fox News propaganda division will cover it all up nice and neat.

Mad Max

December 23rd, 2011
8:56 am

The reason Jay and the rest of his band of merry men here point out the shortcomings of the republican candidates is because they are trying to justify why their incompetent boob in residence is better than the alternative. Never mind that his middle east policies are an utter failure, never mind that he has increased the national debt at historic rates, never mind that unemployment remains at historic levels, never mind that he puts politics in front on the good of the American people, just focus on the issues of the republkicans and maybe, nobody will notice the emporer has no clothes.

Merry Christmas to all you lefties. Your boy is still exposed for what he is, or isn’t.

carlosgvv

December 23rd, 2011
8:56 am

Talking head – 8:41

Don’t forget to add the rest of what Coprorate America wants:

1. A 6 day work week
2. A 12 hour work day
3. No overtime
4. No paid vacations
5. No paid holidays
6. No insurance
7. No workman’s comp
8; Child labor
9. Bare subsistance wages

Yes siree, those Big Business moguls and “let them eat cake” libertarians are your kind of people.

0311/1811

December 23rd, 2011
8:57 am

Gloat while you can ………….. you will miss it.

Steve - USA

December 23rd, 2011
8:58 am

carlosgvv,

*facepalm*

Butch Cassidy

December 23rd, 2011
8:58 am

markie mark – ” the adults still remember that SS is failing, and what this false tax cut does is strip the funding even more.”

Well then why did your GOP masters pass it? I’m not a fan of Obama or short term solutions, but your party could have easily just sayed NO. And let the tax cute expire. I mean, since the GOP are the party of the people, and they want what’s best for the country, why not just do nothing and let the chips fall where thay may?

Butch Cassidy

December 23rd, 2011
9:02 am

scott – “How stupid can you clowns be?”

Maybe you should ask that question of the Republicans who passed the bill. If they are “truly” interested in the well being of the country, why not just stick to their guns and say “No thank you Mr. President, we don’t want anymore of your socialist crap.” And then then they could enjoy the ticker tape parade that I’m sure would be lavished on them by the American public for being so steady and true.

Butch Cassidy

December 23rd, 2011
9:03 am

Mad Max – “Merry Christmas to all you lefties. Your boy is still exposed for what he is, or isn’t.”

An yet the “boy” beat out McCain for the office of President and just beat the GOP at their own game. Ouch!

Talking Head

December 23rd, 2011
9:04 am

“Don’t forget to add the rest of what Coprorate America wants:”

Funny, I don’t remember ‘Corporate America’ advertising any of these things. Could you provide something that backs up this claim?

AmVet - Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year

December 23rd, 2011
9:04 am

The answer is obvious.

To address these growing concerns, we simply must eliminate the Food & Drug Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Consumer Product Safety Commission and the Department of Education.

Only then will the specter of a smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud disappear and allow this nation to prosper and allow gynecologists a chance to practice their love.

markie mark

December 23rd, 2011
9:04 am

@butch….first of all, I will not stoop to saying things like “your Democratic masters”. That is childish and pointless in a supposedly adult blog. This is exactly how the Congress acts instead of comparing ideas to find a good solution. As you well know before that snide post, the right was being crucified at every level that they were destroying the “common man” Neither I, not they, are going to ignore the realities of politics in an election season. If we loose the PR battle because 95% of the media outlets are left of center, they we have to be politically intelligent and come back and fight another day. But again, you will see all of this crank up again in 30 – 45 days….

And by the way, if you are not a fan of Obama or short term solutions (which, sorry, I dont believe because of the tone of your post) you could have just as easily, and more effectively, used your time and energy on this blog to argue to that point…

Welcome to the Occupation

December 23rd, 2011
9:05 am

I love to see PolitiFact catching hell.

What a sham.

They BOTH suck

December 23rd, 2011
9:06 am

The Tea Party faction in the House already knew that the Senate Republicans (38 of them) had agreed to a deal with the WH. They still decided to pull a PR stunt and balk at the deal.
Boehner gambled because the Tea Party was holding his feet to the fire and he lost…………

Plain and simple. Fox News, WSJ, Moonie Times have all quoted McCain, Republican advisers and aides saying that this was ill timed and it wouldn’t work………………… and it didn’t.

Tea Party was playing checkers while Obozo was playing chess this time

jconservative

December 23rd, 2011
9:07 am

The Republican Party spent the last 30 years crusading against the evils raising taxes and then suddenly, out of the blue, they decide to raise taxes on 156 million people.

I cannot see how they ever talked themselves into voting against a tax cut.

It is possible to outsmart yourself.

markie mark

December 23rd, 2011
9:08 am

that should have been “neither I, NOR they”

Butch Cassidy

December 23rd, 2011
9:10 am

markie mark – “And by the way, if you are not a fan of Obama or short term solutions (which, sorry, I dont believe because of the tone of your post) you could have just as easily, and more effectively, used your time and energy on this blog to argue to that point…”

Sorry markie, I am truly an outside observer. I don’t lean left or right, I’m retired, so I have absolutely no dog in this fight as far as payroll taxes go. However, I do enjoy the back and forth on these pages everyday. All politicians are the same to me, If believing that any one of them is looking out for your best interests gets you through the day, then more power to you. I didn’t vote for Obama, I didn’t vote for GW the 2nd time around. In fact the last ime I pulled the lever was to put GWB in office. But I am a realist, and the reality is that Obama did what he should have done last year and stood his ground. The GOP were betting that he’d cave, and they lost. Accept it and move on.

Brosephus

December 23rd, 2011
9:10 am

If we loose the PR battle because 95% of the media outlets are left of center, they we have to be politically intelligent and come back and fight another day

Isn’t it funny that even though 95% of the media is left of center (reportedly), the other 5% is loud enough to completely drown out the majority. We have been inundated with nothing but right of center conversation for the past 2 years, since the election of 2010. Nowhere has there been any major discussion on how to create sustainable job growth. All the talk has been about nothing but deficits, debt, budget cuts, and tax cuts. That sounds nothing like any left of center conversation I’ve ever heard.

They BOTH suck

December 23rd, 2011
9:11 am

You know Boehner cried like a baby when McConnell told him to get the Tea Party Punks in shape and get in line…

Can you see him with his lip quivering and nose sniffling saying Mr Cantor; please tell the Tea Party people that Sen McConnell just chewed me out and we have to do what we should hae done a few days ago…

Its ok Fox, the conservative pundits and bloggers will have talking points to say how they unequivocally won this PR
battle

hahahahahahha

Peadawg

December 23rd, 2011
9:11 am

“. The headlines should be “Obama / Dems refuse to negotiate, kill 20,000 jobs.””

Are you bitching about that bs oil pipeline?

markie mark

December 23rd, 2011
9:11 am

jconservative….again, this is NOT a tax cut. It is defunding of Social Security, which the American people are not going to stand for. All we are doing is deepening the whole that SS is going down…..

Dumb and Dumber

December 23rd, 2011
9:11 am

At least the GOP will now have time to let fly more insults about Michelle Obama’s looks. That’s exactly what this country needs.

Mad Max

December 23rd, 2011
9:11 am

Butch – We’re looking for a leader. Just because you won, does not anoint you as a leader. 4 years ago no one knew anything about Obama because he had not done anything but run for office. Now we know he can’t do anything but run for office. As Harry Truman once said “The buck stops here”

markie mark

December 23rd, 2011
9:12 am

Butch, you just confirmed what I said….WE DID ACCEPT IT AND MOVED ON……thats what this entire discussion is about.

Peadawg

December 23rd, 2011
9:12 am

It seems like, under all the pressure from voters, media, etc. etc., Boehner just couldn’t handle it and went limp.

Peadawg

December 23rd, 2011
9:15 am

markie mark @ 9:11

How is this defunding of ss? I thought the cost is just shifted from the employee to the employer?

Welcome to the Occupation

December 23rd, 2011
9:15 am

Mad Max: ” 4 years ago no one knew anything about Obama because he had not done anything but run for office. Now we know he can’t do anything but run for office”

Wait, isn’t that an oddly apt — as in, spot-on perfect — description of the main Republican candidate?

Good God what can anyone say about Mitt Romney except that the guy sure knows how to spend a life running for an office? He obviously wants it so desperately. Has the man done a single other thing in his life other than run for president?

Butch Cassidy

December 23rd, 2011
9:16 am

markie mark – “Butch, you just confirmed what I said….WE DID ACCEPT IT AND MOVED ON……

So by acceptance you mean a lead in like this:

“While those of you on the left are busy patting yourselves on the back, we still remember that you are the party that couldn’t pass a budget for two freakin years….”

Sounds more like sour grapes.

gm

December 23rd, 2011
9:16 am

Mad Max

Never mind that his middle east policies are an utter failure, never mind that he has increased the

22 of of 27 top terrorist dead, you have been able to sleep in peace the last 3 years, please dont let your hate over rule common sense””””’

unemployment in Mn, 5%, Ks 3%, Co 6%, Ut 3% I guess he is not the president in those states?, blame your local gov for taking the money and not creating jobs the others states gov used the money smart way.
Please turn off stupid fox news and research yourself, they get paid to exploit idiots”””

AmVet - Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year

December 23rd, 2011
9:16 am

An open letter to the neo-cons…

Dear faux conservatives.

It’s that time of year again. Little Timmy needs a new prosthesis and your dollars can make the difference. Because of the efforts of the OWS crowd and other progressive consumer advocates, you will not have to pay an extra $5 for using your debit cards every month. I know that you are very grateful for their efforts and wish to show that gratitude.

And this is the perfect chance!

Please remit your $5 every month to the AmVet fund for Timmy c/o Jay Bookman.

And keep tuning in to learn more about how you can double down on these “good deeds” by contributing that $40 per month that you do not want or need, courtesy of SSI.

God bless us everyone.

Mad Max

December 23rd, 2011
9:18 am

Welcome, See my 1st post and no, and while I’m not a big Mitt fan, Mitt has some private enterprise experience.

markie mark

December 23rd, 2011
9:18 am

Brosephus , I am in my mid 50’s and I stand by that statement. Until Fox, we had NO media outlets that would present a right or right center point of view. They are wrong from time to time, as all media is; but if you grew up with all the leftist viewpoints as I did, you still thank god that finally someone started a media outlet that at least gave the other side a fair shot. And yes, I know most on the left hate FOX. Welcome to my, and other conservatives, world. I still remember when Walter Cronkite in his late 70’s, in answering a question about his beliefs said ” of course I am liberal…why? ..because liberals care more”. I coulda gagged. This from the trusted newsman of 30+ years that supposedly was fair.

and 95% of all national media is left…and I dont mean center left.

Butch Cassidy

December 23rd, 2011
9:18 am

Welcome – “Has the man done a single other thing in his life other than run for president?”

Yes, he spent a great number of years in business riding his fathers trust fund and eliminating jobs in preperation to more closely identify with the common man in the hopes of one day running the country.

carlosgvv

December 23rd, 2011
9:19 am

Talking Head – 9:04

“By their fruits you shall know them”

St Simons - its hard to get xmas lights up in these palm trees

December 23rd, 2011
9:20 am

if that goofy 10% of Amerka would just turn off their AM radio for 1 week

and maybe try chantix (or beano for one or two)

they could wean themselves off the addiction to hate
and Ga’s own REM would play “Shiny Happy People”
until the sun sets over the ICW.

They BOTH suck

December 23rd, 2011
9:20 am

markie mark

“and 95% of all national media is left…and I dont mean center left.”

Unbiased link to substantiate that statment?

Waiting

Good day

Mad Max

December 23rd, 2011
9:21 am

gm – sorry to burst your preconcieved view of the world but I don’t watch fox, never have.

AmVet - Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year

December 23rd, 2011
9:23 am

markie, funny how that liberal media shucked and jived for your hero’s war though, huh?

Shock and Awe sent their ratings through the roof.

And once again to disabuse you of that silly tripe, out of the 80 talking heads that appeared on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and Fox immediately following the bombs raining down on Baghdad, take a wild guess exactly how many were against the invasion?

Two.

Out of Eighty.

You need some new talking points…

kayaker 71

December 23rd, 2011
9:23 am

Dumb and Dumber,

I thought that the description of the First Lady’s posterior was pretty accurate, unless you are blind. I happen, like lots of other people, to like a broader prospective on things. To many, it’s a compliment to be praised for a great asset.

Obozonomics

December 23rd, 2011
9:24 am

I wonder why the GOP does not just tell the American people that why not have a one page Bill to extend the tax cut for a year, and then everybody would vote for it. The problem was and is that the democrats put in over 6,000 earmarks totaling over 6 billion in this bill… Why is the liberal media ignoring this pork, and why would Obozo even sign off on that much pork?

Welcome to the Occupation

December 23rd, 2011
9:25 am

“How is this defunding of ss? ”

Um, Peadawg, do you understand how flagship social programs like SS work? Do you see the dance that the program’s enemies are playing with the public. The game being played here is one of subtle chipping away, effecting slight but decisive shifts in the public’s perception of what a program is so that the policy-makers can then in the future deal more direct blows to it without paying a political price for it.

See, if you think about it you’ll realize that the moment you start offering “holidays” on paying into the SS general fund and billing them as “tax breaks” — a howler that PolitiFact apparently couldn’t be bothered to expose for what it is, a sham — then you are directly undermining the legitimacy of the program as such — which stands or falls on whether it is treated as the UNIVERSAL program it is.

So you watch. It won’t take more than just a few years — or less depending on how the Depression we’re in plays out — for the program’s enemies to start attacking it more and more boldly and directly by next turning it into a straight-out welfare program, from which point it will be a simple matter to dismantle it entirely or shrink it way down. This is the real end-game being played here – and it’s going to take more than junk journalistic gimmicks like PolitiFact to debunk lies like these.

Jay

December 23rd, 2011
9:25 am

From the right’s perspective, any media outlet not tilted toward them is tilted against them. Thus, numbers like the 95 percent….

Same Old, Same Old...

December 23rd, 2011
9:26 am

Eric Holder Claims Racism Responsible for Fast and Furious Criticism

Mark Hemingway

But Mr. Holder contended that many of his other critics — not only elected Republicans but also a broader universe of conservative commentators and bloggers — were instead playing “Washington gotcha” games, portraying them as frequently “conflating things, conveniently leaving some stuff out, construing things to make it seem not quite what it was” to paint him and other department figures in the worst possible light.

Of that group of critics, Mr. Holder said he believed that a few — the “more extreme segment” — were motivated by animus against Mr. Obama and that he served as a stand-in for him. “This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him,” he said, “both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”

Butch Cassidy

December 23rd, 2011
9:26 am

Obozonomics – “Why is the liberal media ignoring this pork, and why would Obozo even sign off on that much pork?”

And why would’nt the Republicans just say NO? I mean it’s for the good of the country to just let the bill die. Right?

gm

December 23rd, 2011
9:26 am

Mad Max

I sorry you feel likethat toward the President that been keeping this country safe”
We really want Mitt, maybe he can explain the 200 people he layed off while he collected millions in pensions, or why now he says Obama was right in taking out bin ladin but in 2007 he said we should not wast our time looking for bin ladin.

markie mark

December 23rd, 2011
9:26 am

Butch, the Democrats in control of congress “kicked the can down the road” and did not adopt a budget – one of, if not THE primary function of congress, for two years. Now they have done essentially the same thing, and you wonder why I lead in with that? amazing….

Pea – this is a reduction of 2% of the employee contribution to Medicare and OASDI – there, to the best of my knowledge, is NOT a corresponding increase of 2% in the employer contribution. But, since I havent had to meet a payroll in 2 years now, someone who is an employer please correct me if I have that wrong….I am basing this on news reports in the AJC here, which is about all I have time for these days…

They BOTH suck

December 23rd, 2011
9:28 am

Obozonomics

Why no frustration towards the 38 Republicans who signed this bill and the numerous Repubs in the House including Tea Party members will are going to sign up today?

Brosephus

December 23rd, 2011
9:28 am

markie mark

I’m in my late 30’s and I stand by my statement as well. If 95% of the media is left and not center left (although your original assertment was left of center), why is it the national conversation for the past 2 years has been nothing but a rundown of conservative talking points?

markie mark

December 23rd, 2011
9:28 am

Jay, thats bull and you know it. The only media outlet that tilts right that I am aware of is FOX, compared to ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, CNN, et al. And you have seen me post long enough to know that I dont attempt to shoot !@#!@#. And I will always try to rationally argue what I believe and not throw stones….shame on you

Deck the Halls with Oats, Sarah. Smile

December 23rd, 2011
9:29 am

Welcome to the Occupation

December 23rd, 2011
9:29 am

markie mark: “and 95% of all national media is left…and I dont mean center left.”

Laugh-out-loud absurd. The only way a person can claim such a thing is to be completely and utterly captured by right-wing ideology.

Here’s a statement that’s closer to the truth:

and 95% of all national media is left right-leaning…and I dont that means center left.

They BOTH suck

December 23rd, 2011
9:29 am

Same old

quick quick throw up a diversion when you can’t provide any substantive comments to the blog in question

That will get em……. Hannity is that you?

Mary Elizabeth

December 23rd, 2011
9:30 am

Talking Head @ 8:41

“Right because libertarian ideology (you know upholding indivdiual rights, freedom of speech and expression, political freedom, and limited government) had nothing to do with the idea of America. You can’t find these ideas anywhere in our founding documents, no siree bob.”
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Our nation was based on individual freedoms for ALL of the people. The Libertarian ideology of these particular corporate powers is an extreme version of Libertarianism and their version has benefitted primarily the top 1% of the population – not the majority of Americans.
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Our nation’s founders believed in balance of thought, as is reflected in the Preamble of the U. S. Constitution:

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
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The Libertarianism of these particular corporate powers is extreme and has its roots in thinking within the John Birch Society. “By their fruits you shall know them.” Their thinking has resulted in an unstable America in which the middle/working class has lost power and mobility to “secure the blessings of liberty to (them)selves and (their) posterity.” And this extreme Libertarian philosophy has not “promoted the general Welfare” for the vast majority of citizens in our nation. This was not the intent of our founders. It is a perversion of our founders’ thought regarding individual freedoms, into ideological extremism that benefits primarily the wealthy and powerful, of which our founders would have found abhorrent. Thomas Jefferson, the great advocate for individual liberties, had said no less in words which I have previously quoted on this blog.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 23rd, 2011
9:32 am

Oops, sorry, mis-typed. Should read:

and 95% of all national media is left right-leaning…

Jay

December 23rd, 2011
9:33 am

It is NOT bull, and I know it, MM. It’s an accurate description, and it’s consistent with the overall conservative world view that if you’re not with us, you’re against us.

markie mark

December 23rd, 2011
9:34 am

Brosephus…honestly? I believe it is finally because a media outlet for us has made enough of an impact that every blog has to spend it share of time denigrating said outlet. Because that outlet has grown exponentially while others are loosing market share? Do you think we believe this is because all the left of center viewers suddenly developed an appetite for FOX? Or that the sheer demographic numbers of right and center right viewers finally have an outlet that they believe is fair and balanced even if you dont?

Even the new editor of the AJC is running ads that he is trying to make the AJC coverage be more “balanced”….you certainly dont think he means he is trying to move this paper further to the left, do you? this paper has been bleeding subscribers for years as Atlanta was one of the fastest growing cities in the country in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s. Why do you think the journal and constitutions had to merge? or do you still subscribe to that silly theory of the 80’s that computers were stripping readership? Good luck with that theory…

Attack Dog

December 23rd, 2011
9:34 am

Republicans like Edward Brooke would have been fighting for a tax cut for the middle class and not a payroll holiday. Conservatives like Tom Price are simply fighting against the group formerly known as the middle class.

Peadawg

December 23rd, 2011
9:35 am

” and directly by next turning it into a straight-out welfare program”

When you get back for than what you paid, as what’s happening now w/ SS, it’s already turning into a welfare program.

markie mark

December 23rd, 2011
9:35 am

Jay, you and I have had enough discussion to know I do not subscribe to that theory,,,,,and I stand by the statement that it is BULL

markie mark

December 23rd, 2011
9:36 am

Wow Welcome…would you please tell me who you are referring to that is considered national media?

joeybiten

December 23rd, 2011
9:36 am

mr. bookman, perhaps you can do another “hard hitting”, “fact filled” article on why prez obuma needs more time to “evaluate” the pipeline from Canada to Texas? Or maybe one on how this gifted prez and wonderous congress keeps “borrowing” from social security? Or maybe how we will be taxed in the future to offset this bill? And one final question for mr. bookman, did you pee up and down your leg like chrissy matthews?

Peadawg

December 23rd, 2011
9:37 am

One way to help SS would be to raise the age at which you start collecting to 67 or 68 atleast. Life expectancy has increased since SS was first started. Therefore the age limit should be increased also.