In Iraq, the old ways of doing things may be reasserting themselves
Iraqi security personnel arrive at the scene of a massive car bombing in downtown Baghdad. (AP photo)
If you haven’t been following events in Iraq recently, here’s an update:
Iraqi Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi, the most prominent Sunni in government, has been accused of using his security entourage as a hit squad. Members of his security squad have confessed, but al-Hashimi claims that the confessions were obtained through torture, which is certainly plausible.
Al-Hashimi has fled to the Kurdish area of Iraq to avoid arrest. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has demanded that the Kurds surrender al-Hashimi, warning “there will be problems” if he is not handed over. He has also threatened to disband the governing coalition, creating a serious political crisis.
And now this, as reported in The Washington Post:
BAGHDAD — More than a dozen explosions in Baghdad over a two-hour period Thursday morning killed at least 63 people–the first major violence in Iraq since the U.S. completed its troop pullout last week and a political crisis broke out.
At least 185 people were reported injured in the bombings, said officials at the Ministry of Interior, who were speaking on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
The coordinated wave of attacks began around 6:30 a.m. local time (10:30 p.m. Wednesday in Washington). Witnesses said that all main roads and many government offices in the Iraqi capital remained closed for hours after.
I can’t say any of this is a surprise. While U.S. troops hadn’t been involved in security efforts in Iraq for more than a year, it’s hard to argue that it’s mere coincidence that this crisis has developed so shortly after their departure from the country. We’re still deeply involved in Iraqi affairs — CIA Director David Petraeus is in the country now, meeting with Iraqi leaders — but the country is clearly under their control, not ours. They will determine its fate.
We were there for almost nine years. If U.S. troops had remained for another five years, they might have been able to prevent this current crisis — for another five years. Sooner or later, though, a time was going to come in which the Iraqis would have to decide what kind of country they wanted, and by what means, if any, it was going to be held together.
That time may be now, and even if they make it through this crisis, others are inevitable. The notion that we could go in and remake another society — install new expectations, mindsets, cultural norms and democratic ideologies, as if we were installing a new engine in a car — has been the glaring flaw in our Iraq strategy from the very beginning. There are still grounds for hope of at least some success long-term, but there’s an equal if not better chance that the Iraqis will revert to their old ways of doing things.
– Jay Bookman
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Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2011
8:38 pm
What’s all this about Michelle’s big butt, after all the president leads from behind.
AmVet - No more wars, please.
December 22nd, 2011
8:38 pm
little-to-none. Does that work?
I am really trying like hell to stay out of this, but no, it doesn’t. It’s preposterous. It has become a worldwide effort. Join in.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. Men may not get all they pay for in this world; but they must pay for all they get. If we ever get free from all the oppressions and wrongs heaped upon us, we must pay for their removal. We must do this by labor, by suffering, by sacrifice, and, if needs be, by our lives, and the lives of others. ~Frederick Douglass
bman
December 22nd, 2011
8:40 pm
Bro .. .. I was speaking about Jim Sensenbrenner’s comments.
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
8:40 pm
josef
December 22nd, 2011
8:30 pm
Nah Josef, I’m not as smart as you. But I’m still working on it.
On your post about the kisd without computers, I can relate. My nephew went to school in Clayton Co. He had a computer since he was 10 (I bought it). I found out when he was in 9th grade that some of his friends didn’t. I gave one a laptop and another my desktop.
These were good kids in bad situations.
You do what you can.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 22nd, 2011
8:43 pm
Former presidential candidate John Edwards says he has been diagnosed with a medical condition that would make it difficult for him to attend his approaching criminal trial over campaign finances and is asking for it to be delayed
He probly sprained every muscle in his body fathering that kid with that woman that took videos for him.
TaxPayer
December 22nd, 2011
8:47 pm
Do you think your side has all the answers?
I seek answers to my questions and I most certainly do not accept one-sidedness. Fool me once…
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
8:48 pm
TaxPayer
December 22nd, 2011
8:37 pm
True TP, but politically speaking, is it safe to say you are a democrat?
I’m currently a non-Republican. I did vote for Obama and I will do so again
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I can respect that. I am non repub and non dem. I did vote for Obama. I don’t want to vote for him again, but if Newt is the R nominee, I might.
getalife
December 22nd, 2011
8:51 pm
How low will they go?
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm
TaxPayer
December 22nd, 2011
8:47 pm
Do you think your side has all the answers?
I seek answers to my questions and I most certainly do not accept one-sidedness. Fool me once…
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But it seems your posts are onesided. You, and others, condemn repubs for things that BOTH parties do.
I may not post everyday, but I read everyday.
josef
December 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm
Black Guy
That’s the way it’s done…none of us can single handedly do what needs to be done, but individually we can do our part. Right now on the other screen I’m trying to pull together a proposal to come up with a clearing house where these computers can be recycled. No, I’m not trying to be a Goodie Two Shoes, but make up if I can for my own failure to see the problem earlier.
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm
Bro
Whatever dude
Your thought have been less than loaded with intelligent commentary
See air mix a lot references
Michelle’s booty is fine. F. I. N. E. Fine
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
8:55 pm
AmVet, what do you think about the questions I posted? (I may regret this)
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
8:56 pm
“how low will they go?”
Not as low as Michelle antoinette’s posterior
Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2011
8:56 pm
I wonder if Obama as a one term president will be as big a fool as this old fool.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/22/carter-sends-condolence-letter-to-kim-jong-ils-son-north-korean-media-say/
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
8:57 pm
Slogan?
Obama 2012: go big or go home
josef
December 22nd, 2011
8:59 pm
getalife
Since you’re here…did you read his blog on him and Roosevelt going to see the good preacher Long?
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
8:59 pm
josef
December 22nd, 2011
8:54 pm
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Josef, I have thought about the same thing at my work. We get rid of about 200 computers per year in Atlanta alone, and we are a nationwide company.
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
9:00 pm
Recon
Part of me says Carter is an idiot
Good riddance to Kim
The only part that has any merit is if they are trying to pry open the door to the north just an eentsy weentsy bit
Who knows
On the surface it’s retarded
Kim was a mass murder
And a liberal
josef
December 22nd, 2011
9:02 pm
Black Guy
Voting for Obama in ‘12…yeah, if it’s Newt, I may have to eat my words, too….
Kinda reminds me of the bumper sticker when Edwin Edwards was running against the klanner…
“Vote for the crook. It’s important.”
USMC
December 22nd, 2011
9:03 pm
“Congressman sorry for Michelle Obama ‘big butt’ remark”
Yeah, that was not very nice, but I heard this one brother say that Michelle Obama looks like PATRICK EWING in Designer Duds! LOL!
http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=664&tbm=isch&tbnid=EG83twYzyHLomM:&imgrefurl=http://rushthecourt.net/2011/06/14/best-dressed-hoya-paranoia/&docid=1hgcJM1fTfVLlM&imgurl=http://rushthecourt.net/mag/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/hoya-paranoia-gu.jpg&w=518&h=750&ei=XeDzTv6GKsu3tweS-PnPBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=1066&vpy=148&dur=2403&hovh=270&hovw=186&tx=140&ty=142&sig=100164306291665711373&sqi=2&page=1&tbnh=136&tbnw=94&start=0&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:0
I nearly spit up my lunch; I was laughing so hard.
josef
December 22nd, 2011
9:04 pm
Black Guy
Perhaps adopt a local Middle School and coordinate it through a local church group or civic organization?
AmVet - Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year
December 22nd, 2011
9:08 pm
BG, I’ve not been following most of the goings on tonight.
Please repost. (I may regret this) LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIe3Iao3cTY&feature=related
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
9:14 pm
josef
December 22nd, 2011
9:02 pm
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That is a perfect example of what we are dealing with in this modern America. While the citizens sit back flinging poo screaming “DEMS/REBUS SUK!”, the politicians divide the spoils.
I didn’t join the Army and fight in Iraq for this.
josef
December 22nd, 2011
9:14 pm
USMC
Thass jus bad!
Back when I was in high school, I ran track…the yearbook staff had a picture of me hurdling with, well, evidence of my religion in clear view…they had it ready to send to the printer when the staff overseer caught it…she wasn’t happy…she told me that I was popular enough already…
Brosephus
December 22nd, 2011
9:16 pm
Your thought have been less than loaded with intelligent commentary
Only in response to your less than intelligent babbling…
TaxPayer
December 22nd, 2011
9:16 pm
josef, the strapless jock. That’s really more than we needed to know.
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
9:17 pm
That Black Guy
No you didn’t. America will have better days ahead under a new president. In 1 year or 5.
Doggone/GA
December 22nd, 2011
9:17 pm
“Ok, I’m 100% wrong”
If you say so. I wouldn’t agree, but I’ll defer to you on that one.
Brosephus
December 22nd, 2011
9:18 pm
bman
My bad, thought you were referring to the commentary here.
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
9:20 pm
Ok bro
Light it up
But it makes me sad to say even some of your other musings have been at best half baked
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
9:20 pm
AmVet, here it is :
I have a question for both sides.
Would the US be better off without the other side (Dems or Repubs).
Do you think your side has all the answers?
Have you ever believed something SO strong, and later found out you were wrong?
I said I may regret asking you because you can be very caustic when it comes to politics ( you seem to HATE the right) and I usually scroll past your posts on politics. Having said that, I usually find your non political posts enlightening and funny.
Like I said to TP, I don’t post often, but I read everyday.
josef
December 22nd, 2011
9:21 pm
Taxi
Had to keep the coaches happy!
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
9:22 pm
josef
December 22nd, 2011
9:04 pm
Black Guy
Perhaps adopt a local Middle School and coordinate it through a local church group or civic organization?
How do I do that? Is there a website or anything?
Recon 0311 2533
December 22nd, 2011
9:22 pm
Damn josef do you guys wear a kippah over that too.
“I ran track…the yearbook staff had a picture of me hurdling with, well, evidence of my religion in clear view.”
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
9:23 pm
Old James bond women had back
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
9:28 pm
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
9:17 pm
That Black Guy
No you didn’t. America will have better days ahead under a new president. In 1 year or 5.
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Really, how?
I believe Newt would have us in another quagmire (not the Giggity Giggity kind, but the “oh my baby’s dead” kind).
Romney, will do what ever the stringpullers say.
Obama has no spine and can be bullied into another confrontation.
Like I said, they ALL suck.
It’s a sad day in American politics.
Brosephus
December 22nd, 2011
9:29 pm
But it makes me sad to say even some of your other musings have been at best half baked
Coming from someone who says they’re not blaming Obama in a thread where there’s at least 10-15 posts of them doing such can not really be an unbiased judge of other people’s posts. Just sayin’
Brosephus
December 22nd, 2011
9:30 pm
Black Guy @ 9:28
AMEN!!!!
AmVet - Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year
December 22nd, 2011
9:30 pm
Thanks, BG. I went back and read them, as well. (Didn’t mean to seem rude.)
First, thanks for asking my opinion. Not that I ever offer it up otherwise.
I do not hate the right any more than I hate the wrong. I think the political right is often wrong headed. I also think the same of the left, but rarely write of it. Even so, I have freely acknowledged, numerous times, the excesses of liberalism and the ensuing new problems therein. I have also excoriated Bill Clinton and various other Democratic Party leaders and operatives – particularly those that voted to authorize the invasion/occupation of Iraq.
I tend to be a pragmatist. The sexual revolution, civil rights, the anti-war movement, the drugs and the music have all fueled the escape of long suppressed genies who can never be put back in the bottle. To wit, making abortion illegal is never ever gonna work again. It didn’t really work int he first place.
As for your questions…
1) I believe it is a false choice. There is room for more than just those two options. And why I have voted for Ralph Nader in the past three presidential elections.
2) I once asked Dusty if she thought this country would be better if there were no anti-war voices. To her credit, she said no. (But continued to denigrate them anyway, LOL!) I do not like the contrived construct of my “side” and your ’side”. I have many sides. In some ways I am considered very conservative, and in some ways I am considered very liberal. And I take some exception with the “new” definitions themselves. And on some issues I have changed my mind several times over the years (the unforgivable sin for politicians, huh?) – capital punishment and nuclear power come to mind.
3) I’m not sure what it says about me, but nothing comes to mind. Does that make me too dogmatic?
josef
December 22nd, 2011
9:30 pm
DEL
Only when practicing safe sex!
Black Guy
Not that I know of at the moment…I’m trying to find what I can…I’ll keep you posted as this one I’m on hopefully develops…it’s break time so getting with the local school may have to wait…most schools are highly receptive to community groups wanting to do something and especially when they come in with something concrete…
bman
December 22nd, 2011
9:30 pm
“It’s a sad day in American politics.”
indeed
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
9:31 pm
I suspect jay will do plenty of dancing over the republican reversal
It is irrelevant tho
It just puts off the battle royals for another two months
R’s and D’s are worlds apart
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
The black guy
Romney can and will do a good job. Don’t assume he’s a pawn for the rich. He’s not. You can’t buy off a person who’s already wealthy.
Romney is a moderate an will maintain laserlike focus on jobs
Bro
We went over that before
I don’t blame Obama for anything prior to his taking office
And heck, I don’t blame him for some of the things after
I do blame him for the deficit, about which he’s done nothing
josef
December 22nd, 2011
9:40 pm
jm
“R’s and D’s are worlds apart”
Nope. Two peas in a pod. Not ten cents worth of difference between them. Just two hawgs fighting for the front spot at the slop trough of the public coffer…
moonbat betty
December 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm
Unfortunately, there will definitely be a sharp rise in bombings for the next few weeks.
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
9:42 pm
AmVet – Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year
December 22nd, 2011
9:30 pm
AmVet (I really DUG the JAMVET handle), I appreciate the response. You are correct in saying that you have lambasted the Prez and some other dems. I totally respect that.
As for #3, I’ll give you an example from my own life.
I used to be anti abortion. Then one day I had a conversation with someone that I typically disagree with. Bottom line is this, I am still against abortion, but since I’ll never have one, I have no right trying to deny someone else that right. In that instance, I felt very strong about something and later realized I was wrong.
moonbat betty
December 22nd, 2011
9:43 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPN58yU0QI8
stands for decibels
December 22nd, 2011
9:44 pm
Two peas in a pod. Not ten cents worth of difference between them.
[cough] Supreme court justices [cough]
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm
Josef
Obama’s education policies drive you nuts (if I recall correctly)
Or something to that effect
Do you consider that anyone that has to deal with Obama in their respective fields (business, medicine, finance, etc) are equally annoyed?
In other words, what may look like a sensible Obama policy to you looks very different than if you’re in that field
Obama’s education policy seems ok to me
But you have a closer look at it and don’t like it
In short, most of obama’s policies suck when you know what’s going on in the field
stands for decibels
December 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm
since I’ll never have one, I have no right trying to deny someone else that right.
And that’d be more or less the view of the majority of Americans.
http://pollingreport.com/abortion.htm
http://pollingreport.com/abortion2.htm
Brosephus
December 22nd, 2011
9:48 pm
jm
Yeah, right. If you’re among the consensus that blames him for the FY10 deficit, then you’re already off to a rocky start on that one. I don’t have time to go through the archives to see if you’ve made such a statement or not, but that particular deficit is one that was signed into law by Bush. Obama’s only signed two fiscal year budgets into law and each one had a smaller deficit from the year before if I’m not mistaken.
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
9:48 pm
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
9:37 pm
Don’t assume he’s a pawn for the rich.
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Jm, I don’t think he a pawn for the rich. I think he is a pawn for the rulers. Do you really think we pick our presidents? Do you think England chooses their PM? France, Germany, Russia?
The money that is behind this goes well beyond “the rich”.
bman
December 22nd, 2011
9:53 pm
about the abortion or no….
if I knock up Mary Jane (we’re not married) and she has the baby, would I legally have to financially support the baby?
Bill Orvis White
December 22nd, 2011
9:53 pm
My 12 Days of Christmas – http://tinyurl.com/6wjrclj – Merry Christmas/Amen, you stupid naive secular progressives!
Love, Bill (”love,” but not in “that” way, Sir Elton)
AmVet - Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year
December 22nd, 2011
9:53 pm
BG, niice. I believe that we each have to be our own leader and find our own way. And sometimes that seems so difficult.
But at this point in the earth’s history of going round the sun, I’m just glad to be in the game and getting a few at bats!
A smooth Christmas song from a fine Chicago trio…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OBKkmXgXJU&feature=related
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm
Black guy
I don’t engage in conspiracy theories
Bro
Nothing done to fix the long term deficit
Current deficit four times too big
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
10:00 pm
josef
December 22nd, 2011
9:40 pm
jm
“R’s and D’s are worlds apart”
Nope. Two peas in a pod. Not ten cents worth of difference between them. Just two hawgs fighting for the front spot at the slop trough of the public coffer…
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Nope Josef, they aren’t fighting for the front spot at the trough. They are fighting (against us) to hide the fact they both are feeding at the trough.
Have you noticed that no matter which party is in charge, they never lose money/wealth?
josef
December 22nd, 2011
10:04 pm
Jm
Certainly I can see that. What I can’t see is that it’d be much different whoever’s in office…
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
10:07 pm
stands for decibels
December 22nd, 2011
9:47 pm
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Stands, that is a perfect example why I have a problem with repub and candidates. Leave the social issues alone. The fed gov’t should step in when needed, but it shouldn’t be part of your platform (like the Gingrinch gay marriage issue).
josef
December 22nd, 2011
10:10 pm
Black Guy
True, that.
AmVet - Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year
December 22nd, 2011
10:11 pm
2011 is nearly over. What a year.
OBL is dead and we have us a nascent protest movement in the republic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eTKcgmsIi8&feature=related
td
December 22nd, 2011
10:11 pm
Just popping by this liberal love fest to let you all know that if you are going to the polls in Georgia next year to just vote for Obama then you might as well stay at home because your vote will not be counted. Georgia will be giving all 16 votes to the Republican nominee.
I know, I know, some of you are well aware of this fact but this message was not intended for you. It was to educate the people that think there vote for Obama will be counted.
Have a very Merry Christmas and I hope Santa leaves you more than a lump of coal in your stocking. My God bless each and every liberal and give them the will to start taking responsibility for their actions and not asking for another government handout.
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
10:14 pm
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
9:56 pm
Black guy
I don’t engage in conspiracy theories
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Ok, but help me understand how we (the American people) end up with unelectable candidates like Kerry, Gore, Dole, McCain, Gingrinch (?), unless they want to ensure the opposition the victory. And then, after that victory, they both continue to do the same things?
Not trying to start a fight, just trying to understand.
josef
December 22nd, 2011
10:20 pm
Td
But if the nominee should (G-d forbid) be Newt, at least I’ll be able to live with myself and meet my M-ker with a clear conscience.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 22nd, 2011
10:42 pm
But if the nominee should (G-d forbid) be Newt, at least I’ll be able to live with myself and meet my M-ker with a clear conscience.
Well, if old Newt turns out to be a bad President I’m kinda hoping the Big Guy with the Gavel up there can’t read minds, because I’m going to lie like a snake and claim I had no idea of what Newt was really like. And I’ll say I repented of my vote and walked the straight & narrow ever since. Heck, by that time I won’t have nothing to lose.
i don't drink
December 22nd, 2011
10:56 pm
td, you haven’t been around here long, sweety.
independent thinker
December 22nd, 2011
10:59 pm
Amvet- I still want to know what was the damn mission that Bush claimed we accomplished- capturing someone who plotted to kill his Daddy? Unlimited contracts for Haliburton?
josef
December 22nd, 2011
11:01 pm
Don’t drink
He ain’t real bright either, I mean, Newt a hundred times better than Obama…now THASS funny
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
11:03 pm
independent thinker
December 22nd, 2011
10:59 pm
Unlimited contracts for Haliburton?
that have been renewed under Obama.
i don't drink
December 22nd, 2011
11:05 pm
you make me smile josef.
Thulsa Doom
December 22nd, 2011
11:08 pm
independent thinker,
Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, and I believe W also were all divested of Halliburton stock. Its a worn out, baseless, spoon fed charge. And btw during the Clinton administration Halliburton was publicly lauded by that administration for its work in the middle east.
td
December 22nd, 2011
11:10 pm
I guess Jay is getting angry by my 100 times better comment because it is now in moderation mode.
Did I hit a nerve with you libs? Do you not like to hear the truth? Sorry if I got your blood pressure up to much tonight for telling the truth.
Thulsa Doom
December 22nd, 2011
11:14 pm
black guy,
You asked everyone something earlier about Ds, Rs, and what and why we believe in either one. I can’t speak for the other cons but I myself am much more L. I frankly don’t care much for the social issues. My beef is on economics, the size and obtrusiveness of federal govt into the economy, govt doing things it has no business being involved in.
As for the Rs I simply view them as the lesser evil of the 2 main parties. And I’ve seen plenty of despicable things from them that turn my stomach- Trent Lott and Navy ships we didn’t need, Bush acting more like a D then a conservative, lots of beefs.
What you will find here if you stick around long enough is that not all but many of the liberals on here have a blind ideological allegiance to liberalism, Obama, etc. They’re like zombies in that Obama and the Dems can do zero wrong. Not all liberals on here are like that but many are. Some of the cons are like that also but what you will see is that there are many cons who were disappointed with W and other R leaders and have no problem saying it. You’ll find few liberals on here who will open their minds to other concepts or ideas.
Kamchak
December 22nd, 2011
11:16 pm
if you are going to the polls in Georgia next year to just vote for Obama then you might as well stay at home because your vote will not be counted.
Whistling past the graveyard.
Thulsa Doom
December 22nd, 2011
11:17 pm
td,
You probably used a word that triggers an automatic moderation. Sheriff Bookman often isn’t around to monitor as of late but the software will snag certain phrases or language and more than 2 links will get snagged.
i don't drink
December 22nd, 2011
11:20 pm
Doom is the man.
Jay
December 22nd, 2011
11:23 pm
You congratulate yourselves too easily, td.
Your post was pulled because you broke the rule against name-calling directed against another blogger, not because of the stunning quality of the argument you offered.
i don't drink
December 22nd, 2011
11:24 pm
Kamchak:
how many hanging chads did you count, sport?
i don't drink
December 22nd, 2011
11:26 pm
Jay’s frolocking on his vacation!
good for U, J!
Kamchak
December 22nd, 2011
11:26 pm
Yellow card.
AmVet - Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year
December 22nd, 2011
11:27 pm
thinker, I have no earthly idea. But am convinced it had nothing to do with national security.
This was not a very bright man. He always struck me as a petulant brat with a silver spoon in his mouth. And he learned nothing from a man who was by degrees of magnitude more courageous and intelligent than he – Dwight Eisenhower. Something about a military industrial complex?
History will never be kind to GWB and his deadly and immoral “smoking gun mushroom cloud” administration.
To put things in perspective, fully half of the people polled as he left office, said his was the worst administration in history. HALF. He is a failure that is completely off the charts.
And I am absolutely convinced that he will never climb out of the lowest of rankings…
Kamchak
December 22nd, 2011
11:32 pm
Kamchak is a wanker.
No, a Tuchuk.
Jay
December 22nd, 2011
11:32 pm
Drink, don’t.
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
11:33 pm
Thulsa Doom
December 22nd, 2011
11:14 pm
I disagree on the lesser of 2 evils? To both parties, we are chattle, livestock, or useful idiots. They NEED us sniping at each other while they continue to stuff their pockets. The disdain for the other side is almost like tourettes(sp?) for either side. The modern American political public is like Pavlov’s Dog. Show them a D or R, and they begin to foam at the mouth (see getalife or Adam on the left and Scout or LBB on the right). Does that solve our problems?
josef
December 22nd, 2011
11:37 pm
Td
Try harder 80over60…
BRUIN
You and OREP…one never knows just when you’ll pop in…ain’t it past your bedtime? Now, turn that light out and go to sleep!
td
December 22nd, 2011
11:38 pm
Jay
December 22nd, 2011
11:23 pm
You really need to go back and re read my post. I cut and pasted a post from another blogger but I did not call any other blogger a name. I think you owe me an apology my friend.
josef
December 22nd, 2011
11:40 pm
Black Guy
@ 11:43
Yep.
Kamchak
December 22nd, 2011
11:41 pm
You really need to go back and re read my post. I cut and pasted a post from another blogger but I did not call any other blogger a name. I think you owe me an apology my friend.
If you wanna call the shots, you really need to start your own blog.
AmVet - Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year
December 22nd, 2011
11:41 pm
And I suspect you are right, thinker. The Bush family’s political ambitions ultimately led to disaster.
I disagree on the lesser of 2 evils?
As do I, BG. I call it the evil of the two lessers.
We need a competitive democracy. No these dueling incumbency protection rackets…
i don't drink
December 22nd, 2011
11:41 pm
night, night
td
December 22nd, 2011
11:42 pm
Jay,
My actual post was the following after the cut and paste from Don’t Drink:
“Why because he plans on voting for Newt. Newt can not be any worse then the current occupant of the office. I am sure he would make a 100 times better President then Obama.”
josef
December 22nd, 2011
11:43 pm
IMAM
Did he call somebody a Newt?
td
December 22nd, 2011
11:44 pm
Kamchak
December 22nd, 2011
11:41 pm
You really need to go back and re read my post. I cut and pasted a post from another blogger but I did not call any other blogger a name. I think you owe me an apology my friend.
If you wanna call the shots, you really need to start your own blog.
If I break the rules then I will take responsibility for my actions and suffer the consequences but if I do not then I expect a professional will be a man and admit they were wrong.
Kamchak
December 22nd, 2011
11:46 pm
If I break the rules then I will take responsibility for my actions and suffer the consequences but if I do not then I expect a professional will be a man and admit they were wrong.
We are all guests here. You don’t get to tell our host how to act in his place.
If you don’t like it, there’s the door (so to speak).
That Black Guy
December 22nd, 2011
11:48 pm
AmVet – Merry Xmas and a Preposteous New Year
December 22nd, 2011
11:41 pm
I agree to a point. That was one of the things I liked about the TP early on. They fought against the establishment GOP and introduced other players. Unfortunately they didn’t vet them well enough. I want a candidate that is a citizen who doesn’t use politics to enrich themselves (I know unicorns and butt skittles).
Thulsa Doom
December 22nd, 2011
11:48 pm
That black guy,
I don’t disagree with you on any of your post except that I still think the Dems are the greater of the 2 evils. Why? Because they espouse govt power and govt power is far harder to diminish and or eradicate. The other thing is that by using govt power to make people dependent on you- to build voting blocks of people dependent on you- a critical mass of creeping socialism can be reached in the welfare state where enough entrenched voter interests will bankrupt the overall system eventually. Greece comes to mind. That is why the Democrats are something to be far more weary of in my opinion. I won’t dispute the rest of your post though.
Jm
December 22nd, 2011
11:48 pm
Black guy
Politics is very imperfect, to say the least
Good people often don’t run
Mitt is a good person, and at a base level so is Obama
So mitt v Obama u have two honest good people
Now the choice is who will do a better job growing the economy and creating more jobs for people who need to work
I frankly think it’s mitt all day long
(this obviously presumes newt isn’t the republican nominee)
i don't drink
December 22nd, 2011
11:51 pm
Mitt grows the economy.
ALL DAY LONG
td
December 22nd, 2011
11:52 pm
Kamchak
December 22nd, 2011
11:46 pm
“We are all guests here. You don’t get to tell our host how to act in his place.
If you don’t like it, there’s the door (so to speak).”
I disagree my friend. I purchase this paper every Sunday (mostly for coupons) and that means I help pay our host salary and as such am a customer and not a guest. As a customer I expect to have to follow the rules set up on these blogs and if I break said rules then I will gladly face the consequences. Also, as a customer I have the expectation that the host will treat me with a certain amount of dignity and respect. If the host was wrong then I see no problem with the expectation of an apology.
i don't drink
December 22nd, 2011
11:55 pm
I kid