House GOP has manuevered itself into a dead end

My professional opinion?

neener neener neener

too funny.

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Obama and the Democrats must think it’s Christmas or something.

Shouldn’t that be the Kenyan equivalent?

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““It is harming the Republican Party,” Senator John McCain of Arizona”

and if anyone knows about harming the Republican Party, it’s John “oooo, I like the cute one from Alaska” McCain …

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Thanks Granny!

I have to agree with the NRA on this one: Happy Holidays!

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Can you believe the selfish Americans on the right? 39 rep in the Sen voted for this bill and the Un Americans on the right are blaming Obama.
Thank you tea party for wining in 2010, you have shown what a bunch of selfish un Americans you are, to vote to halt millions Americans unemployment during the holidays, the material Obama has to run against you idiots its never ending.

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Jay – I appreciate you coming here to put some new threads up even while on vacation.

Now if you could just keep the libruls in check

Happy holidays to you and yours.

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Thank you tea party idiots, for letting Obama rise in the polls with another selfish act, I hope your family are one of the millions of people who unemployement will run out while looking for work””””’

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“Never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself”- Napoleon Bonaparte

The only problem is that they’re dragging the rest of us down with them.

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If only Obama were a member of a religion that did not observe Christmas. Then he could stay in DC and work and demand that others do the same instead of spending time observing a religious thing that some religious people might observe with family and such.

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Country first? Never, for both sides it’s all about the political game. This time, the repubs are the clear losers. Want progress? Dems take back the house, hold the senate, and re-elect obama, then, put the pedal to the metal and consummate the marxist, socialist agenda…

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Love it! The republicans welcomed the tea party with open arms. Even then, I said it was but a brief honeymoon. Republicans figured they could retake the house with the help of the tea party, then continue on business as usual. Boehner has no control over his caucus, and they are driving their car over a cliff. Check Obama’s poll numbers, they have been rising steadily over the summer and into the fall. Even Wingfield is trying to spin it, “there are no winners in this fight.” BS, the president is winning, and hopefully the American people will eventually win. Republicans have already said their biggest goal is removing Obama from office.

This may be the shortest “revolution” in some time. Obama’s election chances improve with each passing day of this malarkey, and I feel there will be quite a bit of pushback against the fanatical right wing as well. Are there any moderate republicans to fill the void in place of such lunacy??

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So, the senate R’s don’t have the numbers to stop anything and can’t afford to vote “no” on an extension, so they vote for this completely idiotic 2 month deal, they all take their toys and go home as if they’ve actually accomplished something, and now the house looks bad??????? Only if you are acompletey hyper partisan left wing hack, Jay. Every rational and sane person sees this 2 month extension as the total lack of legislative competence it is.

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RB – are you a TPer by chance?

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oh, my … looks like cowboy’s batteries are shot in his hearing aids … no need to shout, dear … oops, sorry … NO NEED TO SHOUT, COWBOY …

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I remember the good ole’ days before the lunatic fringes on both sides took over the Democrat and Republican parties. The House would pass a bill, then the Senate would pass a bill, and then they would have a conference committee to hammer out the details until they could produce a result that could pass both houses. Then they sent the bill to the POTUS to sign. It is still hilarious to hear the Dems complain about being powerless when for 2 years they were in control of 3 branches and for the last year they have been in control of 2 branches. Neither side looks good in this debacle. To be sure the President will come out smelling like a rose because everyone loves a good victim. IMO they should bring back President Clinton and tell all the “leaders” in Washington, DC to take a long vacation. (Hawaii anyone?)

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Normal – oh, you HAD to say that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixgc_FGam3s

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I guess that Eric (The Red) Cantor must have pictures of Bohner and McConnel in the shower together…

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When the republicans get swept out of office in 2012, remember that this vote was the beginning of the end for them.

God is good all the time! Merry Christmas!

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Bucket

“when for 2 years they were in control of 3 branches and for the last year they have been in control of 2 branches”

and at that lie reading stops

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Maker

“but the thinkers in this country don’t listen to liberal media and believe it.”

yep that damned liberal Wall Street Journal!

run by that damn liberal News Corp

owned by that damn liberal Rupert Murdoch

who also owns that damned liberal Fox News…

dman damn damnity damn

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Ok for 2 years out of 8 years of the Bush admin. the dems were in control. That makes them %25 complicate to the debacle that was handed to Obama.

Wars on the Credit Card plus tax cuts didn’t work did they?

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“Why I thought that was exactly what was going on at the annual holiday meeting of the liberal media coordination and planning conference at DNC headquarters and the luncheon at the White House.”

don’t forget they need to update their e-mail database so that we all get our daily talking points

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As a side note, I hope the Democrats LET THEM let the tax cuts expire. At least the Senate Republicans are in a good position considering a lot of them voted for the brief extension.

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oops – branches

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well, the radio said that Nope & Derange ain’t really workin’ out fer us

i really need to get this hearin aid checked

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Just because the proposed two-month payroll tax holiday would cause countless millions of wasteful reprogramming for every company paying workers does not mean the waste ought not be imposed on the economy.

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“Did the Democrats not have control of the White House, Senate, and House for 2 years? ”

um … are you saying that the Senate and the House are two separate branches of government???

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damn, Doggone … I leave the country for a couple of years and the place falls apart without me …

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Adam – 9:02 – Romney is taking hte credit for it …

FEEL the power of MITTENS!!!

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Republican house of representatives, 2010-2011 – defines epic fail…

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Why cannot we all support the president in his wish to kick the can down the road a couple of months?

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Who cares.

I’m telescope hunting.

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We demand gridlock, something to paralyze the bureaucrats – that is the only cure for the private economy malaise.

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Granny- Using Fox News as a source, I am aghast! Oh, Watch and Learn, look in a morror to watch and learn come Nov 2012. Liberals get DESTROYED! 2010 will look like a picnic to Democrats. Despite the bias toward Obama and Dems, you may be suprised to learn the country does not like to be in turmoil and the one leader who represents us all, is making the turmoil worse with class warfare and such. and Obamba is not trying to help or reach out, just make things worse, get as many unemployed and other dependents as possible on the gov’t as those are his voters. Embarassing, and who would have thought that Obama could be so unpopular after his crowning as King of America by all you liberals and fawning media. I personally can’t believe he has screwed up all his good will and likability to this point. Granny and others know it, Republican Pres in 2012, no matter who is nominee.

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This is about the 2012 election and the Republican members of the House are blowing it.

In the latest CNN/ORC poll Obama has at worst a 52% mark against every Republican in a head to head matchup.

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Kramer: The leadership that this Preseident is showing is so silent it has become sad. The moron is like a bad parent who scolds his children but, never leads by example

Ask Osama bin Laden about that.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8358544.stm

and the hopes of a nation were dashed …

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Oblama is the House of No…… no way but my way – lemmings going over the cliff to their doom. Even Bonnie Fwank author of this doom, is abandoning ship. In a real world Bonnie would be in the Big House (with his new roomie Bubba)- not on his way to the Pent House. Oblama should resign in disgrace and move to somewhere more to his liking – like France. As Clinton said – “Obama has replaced Jimmy Carter as the worst president in history.” We need a ticket of Ross Perot (term limits) and Ron Paul (common sense) to return to sanity. We don’t need “DemoCant’s or Rebublicant’s”. Corruption and stupidity needs to be voted OUT. I am going to vote AGAINST anyone that is an incumbent.

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Maker: Despite the bias toward Obama and Dems, you may be suprised to learn the country does not like to be in turmoil and the one leader who represents us all, is making the turmoil worse with class warfare and such

Oh you are so out of touch. YOU will be the one who is surprised, especially that “class warfare” is a phrase most Americans recognize to mean something different than what you THINK it is. Not to mention the terms socialist, communist, compromise, etc….

I have a Reagan plush doll for you to cry in the corner with come November.

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2010 will look like a picnic to Democrats.

Yeah, because your beloved GOP is on such a roll, huh?

That is what? One election in a row that you haven’t gotten absolutely decimated, like those previous two in 2006 and 2008.

What a juggernaut of electoral victories, huh?

Better hope Mittens gets the nomination, and then doesn’t pick another Sarah BarraClueless. Because he is the GOP’s ONLY chance at not getting crushed again this time

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The GOP won’t follow the advice of their own best and brightest…

They are doomed to fail.

That’s such a happy Christmas thought.

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We need a ticket of Ross Perot (term limits) and Ron Paul (common sense) to return to sanity.

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Don’t use my name and Ron Paul’s in the same sentence.

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As Clinton said – “Obama has replaced Jimmy Carter as the worst president in history.”

In which of your parallel realities did that happen, meat?

Your Boy Emperor was, hands down, the worst ever.

And you know it.

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and you kinda got that whole 3 branches thing really confused. white house (executive is 1) house and senate equals congress( legislative is 2)…do you even know what the 3rd branch of government is?

Teach, I know, I know, call on me! The third branch is the Judicial branch. And it’s controlled by four right wing terrorists and some wishy-washy guy who votes with them most of the time, except when he’s feeling kinda pissy.

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Perry must be the TP favorite. Double dipping into the Texas treasury while proclaiming his hatred of bureaucrats.

LOL what a piece of work. Nutster/Perry 2012

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A two month extension for the payroll cut? What does that do? It continues the narrative forward to give Obama something to talk about other than his record during an election year. Bravo House!

How’s about the Democratic Senate giving us their first budget in three years? That would be a niche CHANGE that I might believe in.

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Yes we should be thankful for the dems and their wonderful plan

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/two-month-payroll-tax-holiday-passed-by-senate-pushed-by-president-cannot-be-implemented-properly-experts-say/

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Yep.

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“As Clinton said – “Obama has replaced Jimmy Carter as the worst president in history.””

If you are so sure that your republicants are going to be in power come Nov. 2012, WHY TELL LIES? Because republicants thrive on lies and false innuendos to keep their mindless followers on course.

Clinton was just on the View two weeks ago PRAISING President Obama. Google it if you don’t believe me & even republican nut Elizabeth didn’t have much to say on that note.

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Adam @ 9:22 am

It can be done by adding back the percent extra that was taken.

But for those proclaiming that it is a nightmare. It isn’t. The remittance to the gov. would be the problem. but since it is done quarterly not much of an issue.

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Budgets are nearly worthless.

All tax receipts (income) and 90% of appropriations are set on auto-pilot. Sequestration will be far more important than a budget.

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“would rather mock people who don’t drink their Democrat/Republican kool-aid:”

um, understanding what the 3 branches of government are has isn’t Dem/GOP kool-aid … it’s founding father kool-aid …

but I admire that you’re willing to boldly throw your ignorance out before the world … and continue to stand by it.

you just go.

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RB: You’re expecting rational debate from Granny and you’re no more likely to get it than countless other posters who’ve tried for years. Don’t bother.

Riiiiiiight. Because “Democrats had full control and could pass anything they wanted!” is rational discussion. Oh sure, THIS TIME you took out the hyperbole, but it’s basically the same thing. Having a majority in the Senate does not equal control, nor does having exactly 58 Democrats and two Independents that all voted together with the Republicans voting against EXACTLY ONCE (after watering down said bill enough to make it palatable to ConservaDems). If you really want RATIONAL discussion, you would discuss all the nuances. Instead, we get “Democrats had ‘control,’ therefore they are FULLY responsible for anything that passes or doesn’t pass.”

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Ronald Reagan spent Christmas in the White House so that his Secret Service people and his staff could spend the holiday with their families.

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It aggravates me to have to agree with Jay, but this is one of the few times he has been correct. Hey Jay, how about a column on how the Taliban is not our enemy as the Obama administraton thinks?

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Perhaps the house Republicans should publicly announce a change to the Senate bill to do nothing but increase the payroll tax holiday from 2 to 12 months since that is clearly the only issue they have with it. Go for it.

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Irony – The Newtster on TV whining about what the Mitten’s superpac is doing to his campaign.

It’ll be soon. Newt can only contain himself for so long before his true inner Newt shows back up. He’s got some pretty good (sounding) ideas in that bulbous, narcissistic head of his, but a zebra can’t change his stripes, and Newt can’t not be Newt for long.

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that the GOP and Dems think that they can get things done without some compromise. I mean, 50% of the country is democratic and 50% is republican. it’s lunacy to think that one party can ram their agenda through without considering the wishes and needs of half the country. and it goes both ways

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boehner may be the worst speaker ever. good golfer, bad leader

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Josef, USinUK,

“USinUK–if the Newt goes in, will the Brits offer some of us political refugee status?”

In one year from February 2012, I can collect SS and retire. With my Military retirement and SS, I was thinking of moving to St. Croix. But If Newt does get in, I’ll help build the bridge to Britain…

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RB from Gwinnett

December 21st, 2011
9:26 am
“@ Granny – what is the lie? Did the Democrats not have control of the White House, Senate, and House for 2 years?”

Don’t waste your time. You’re expecting rational debate from Granny and you’re no more likely to get it than countless other posters who’ve tried for years. Don’t bother.

NOW NOW RB…

And old what’s his name up there didn’t have one.

then again that may be one of the gozillion things you don’t know…

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Godless – 9:31 – okay, I’ll bite –

where’d you find that little nugget???

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For once, I have to agree with the democrats!!
we can not afford a tax cut and we want to pay more..our fair share!
Wait a minute!
Now the democrats want to keep the tax cuts and don’t want to pay their fair share???
Politics is so confusing!!

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I like how people think leadership is “do everything my way or else.” No wonder you’re not in leadership positions yourselves….

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Andy’s back!

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@Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

“George W. Bush and his Enron buddies were very cozy with the Taliban, Mighty Righty.”

You mean the Enron scandal that occurred under Bill Clinton’s administration? Check your facts you stupid tool.

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anyway, gotta go run in this soup.

back later, maybe, kids. Be excellent to one another.

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I thought “Greed is good!” was the national motto.

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stands: The “didn’t pass a budget” canard is old too. As though keeping the previous budget isn’t EXACTLY part of what they want, a freezing of government spending at certain levels. Sure, it would be nice to pass a budget that reduced spending on some things, but can you guess what would happen to a budget that didn’t gut SS, Medicare, and give lots to DoD? It would be filibustered. No point in even bothering.

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I love how presidential leadership has now been defined as usurping Congress and ruling by fiat. The President should “lead” a Republican House and a filibuster-prone Senate to passing solutions for America. Sweet jeebus!

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FACTS HURT

Guess you missed the time Bush said he didn’t know Kenny Boy Lay, but it was found he sent him a birtday or Christmas card when he was Governor and signed called him by his little nick name (you know you loved his nicknames)…

“Kenny Boy Lay”

Wasn’t that sweet of Dubya?

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Dear honorable Mr. Speaker and honorable Majority Leader Cantor:

Onward my Christian soldier, honorable Speaker Boehner. WE THE PEOPLE in the Tea Party were upset with you earlier this year, but it looks like you got your strength back. Stand up for your rightful principles and you know that with the help of the Lord Almighty, you will be set on the righteous path to saving this once-free nation.

To my Hebrew friend, Mr. Cantor who I had the pleasure of sitting near at a prayer breakfast several years ago: I know that you know that you are doing the right thing by cutting through the extreme liberal media filter to disseminate the truth. What is the truth? The truth is that the rightful GOP wishes to extend the payroll taxation levels for one year, but would like to create over 20,000 jobs in the process. This so-called “president” does not wish to create jobs. Instead, “he” wishes to expand the largess of government in the form of Social Insecurity, Mediraid, Mediscare and unemployment “benefits.” Please let the once-free nation and the world know that you are dedicated to creating real jobs, real growth, real prosperity, a culture of life and a return to the values that made this once-free nation great! We have a Marxist in the White House who will be easily defeated in less than one year by either the honorable Speaker Gingrich or the honorable Governor Romney. But, you know something, I cannot wait that long. I would like to start hiring workers now. Unfortunately, I will have to wait until January 2013.
Amen,
Merry Christmas,
Bill

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Willard is in fact a mormom facist anti-american

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facts…. lets not get to far off base from the original article, but figured I would give you just a little food for thought…. Good day

Lay, who President Bush affectionately referred to as “Kenny-boy” when the two forged an alliance in the 1990s to advance Bush’s political ambitions and Lay’s business prospects, contributed $122,500 to Bush’s gubernatorial campaigns in Texas. Lay would later explain to a PBS “Frontline” interviewer that, though he had worked closely with former Texas Governor Ann Richards, the Democrat incumbent who Bush challenged in 1994, he backed the Republican because “I was very close to George W.”

Needless to say, once Bush became governor, Lay got his phone calls returned. A report issued by Public Citizen in February, 2001, months before the Enron scandal broke, identified Lay as “a long-time Bush family friend and an architect of Bush’s policies on electricity deregulation, taxes and tort reform while Bush was Texas governor.”

No wonder Lay had Enron give $50,000 to pay for Bush’s second inaugural party in Austin in 1999 — a showcase event that was organized by Karl Rove and others to help the Texas governor step onto the national political stage.

After Bush gave Enron exactly what it wanted in 1999, by signing legislation that deregulated the state’s electrical markets, Lay knew he had found his candidate for president.

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Common – 9:46 – or Mrs. Dr. Dobson …

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how about a column on how the Taliban is not our enemy as the Obama administraton thinks?

But they are not our enemy, are they!

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Why not just extend for the year and be done. This is driving smalll firms mad…

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Did someone say caravan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4XKHkzDggk

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LOL. Hate to tell you this, Jay, but Kyle clearly got the better of you today:

“No one is completely in the right in the Washington-wide temper tantrum over extending the payroll-tax holiday. I don’t understand how Senate Republicans — who voted in large numbers for a two-month extension of the holiday — could have been so far out of step with House Republicans who insist on the year-long extension they’ve already passed.

That said, I have a hard time understanding the sudden conventional wisdom that public opinion about the situation will favor:

a) Senate Democrats, who want to enact a two-month extension offset by a tax on middle-class mortgagees and then spend even more time early next year arguing about the very same issue rather than moving on to other issues — rather than enacting a one-year extension offset by the exact same tax on middle-class mortgagees as well as a reduction in welfare and entitlement benefits for wealthy Americans and illegal immigrants, a pay freeze for federal workers, the auctioning of some wireless spectrum, and a few smaller items;

and/or

b) President Obama, who has repeatedly said he wants a full-year extension of the payroll-tax holiday but who, rather than castigating the Senate for passing only a two-month extension, instead is being nakedly partisan in castigating the House for sticking to its year-long extension.

Other than the length of the extension, there is very little substantive difference between the two bills except for the offsets, which is natural given that a year-long extension requires more offsets than a two-month extension. And there is very little in the House’s list of offsets that could be considered widely controversial.

And then there’s the fact that neutral experts say a two-month extension would be a nightmare for smaller firms to implement.”

Maybe you should have given a bit more thought to your piece.

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How about one of you lemming liberals explain to us why we should be happy about only getting a 2 month extension on this tax deal? Why 2 months anyway? Why not 1 or 4? And then we can have this same stupid conversation again in 2 months?

I’m sure that pile of crap sounds rational to you lemmings, but dang….

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As usual, there is of course three sides to the extension story….of which only two are offered.

ADAM,

I’m confused how you posit that a federal budget is not important…can you help a brother out? Seems reckless and political to me but I’m always interested in learning…

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Boehner has got his manhood in a vice with Grover Norquist and the oligarchs on the one side squeezing and the working class stiffs who are getting tired of being screwed on the other.

And, in a situation like this, there’s only two things Boehner can do: 1. blame the President, and 2. have a bottle of Merlot.

I’ve said all along that a year is a lifetime in presidential politics and, given their need to be partisan, provocative and over-the-top, the GOTP will alienate themselves from anyone with an IQ over 40.

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Democraps good, umgowwa; Repubs bad, umgowwa.

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I don’t know USinUK. They didn’t say every Christmas, but IMHO, if he only stayed in DC for one Christmas so that his staff and security could be with their families, it was mighty damn considerate.

I’m not one that begrudges the POTUS his “vacation” time because he is never really on vacation. It’s a 24/7 job. I do think President Obama has a perception problem when he gives a speech about shared sacrifice and then the missus has to head out to Hawaii a couple of days before the President, greatly increasing the cost. Does it enter his head, “You know this won’t look good?” But I guess when you consider yourself one of the 4 best Presidents ever and all your dog washers assure you that reelection is a certainty, why care?

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Blame the American people. They’re the ones who elected these tea bag idiots.

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Stevie Ray: ’m confused how you posit that a federal budget is not important…can you help a brother out? Seems reckless and political to me but I’m always interested in learning…

The budget is the last one that was passed with whatever auto-adjustments get made, until a new one is passed. So, for now, the last passed budget is the one we follow.

So, there isn’t “no budget.” There’s just no NEW budget.

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Funny how that original bill submitted to the senate by the house had a little more to it than a simple payroll tax cut. Perhaps the house should have actually given the senate a simple bill that did nothing more than extend the payroll tax cut for 12 months if that is truly what they claim to want.

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Ha ha ha bookman parrott …….. Sounds like Repubs dumb….. umgowwa.

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K’chak

Thanks for that! Love that piece…

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To those posters that think the President isn’t showing leadership here I call you out.

The president has articulated his view that a 12 month extension is needed to keep the fragile recovery alive. The Senate Democrats were successful in working with the Senate Republics to get a temporary extension. The calculus was the two parties are still too far apart to agree on a funding mechanism for a 12 month extension but that something needed to be done to prevent taxes from going up on the majority of Americans in less than 2 weeks.

McConnell allegedly had an agreement with Boehner on the proposal but now Boehner boy cannot control the renegades in his own party. This isn’t about the president behaving like a schoolboy. This is about Teabagger Republics acting like toddlers that haven’t had their afternoon naps. Grow up.

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I read the first page of comments and did not see one articulate defense of House Republicans’ actions. Oh, I read a few whines and talking points, but nothing addressing the concerns of the Sen McCains of the Senate.

Did I miss anything on the following three pages?

Now for off-topic: Pres Clinton appeared on Bill O’Reily’s show last night (followed by Newt). BOR said his arrival was amazing – said it’s kind of conservative central around there, yet nearly everyone was line up to get a pic taken with Pres Clinton. I still think they guy would win a third term. Anyhow, the interview’s not all that long and it’s here:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1338638373001

I did enjoy the body language when BOR asked Pres Clinton if he respected Gingrich as a man -

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Ragnar – Actually, Social Security is not underfunded. It was over funded starting in the Reagan years. It’s merely been raided repeatedly since the Republicans like to give tax breaks to the wealthy without reigning in defense and entitlement spending. Social Security has a ton of IOUs. When the baby boomers start straining the system, tax hikes will then be needed to pay back the IOUs. Ragnar – please educate yourself before posting your inane blogs.

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Look who is really the party of NO

The House passed several bills aimed at helping get Americans back to work. This year (2011) the House has passed over 20 crucial pro-growth, pro-jobs bills, which have been left to languish in the Democrat lead Senate.

This week the House passed the following important bills that will help our nation’s workers and job creators by removing burdensome, job-killing regulations. The passage of these bills now brings the tally of House-passed bipartisan jobs bills sitting in the Senate up to 25.

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yeah, Steve – he’s REALLY going to vote GOP …

you keep thinking that

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“This is all about taking a tax cut away from the President, and trying to use the propaganda machine to later say Obama is at fault because he can’t “lead.”

Do you really consider a short-lived (even if year or two) decrease in the amount you and I pay into an essential fund that is nearly insolvent a “tax cut”? It’s a gimmick, pure and simple. A tax cut for you and I would be eliminating a bunch of loopholes for the few to allow for a reduction in the lower tax rates for most Americans.

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Dekalb comments,

Why not just work on it and get the 12 month extension done? Why does everything have to be decided at a later date?

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heathen, et al

Is there something wrong with going home for the holidays?

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Damon is just a slim talented version of Michael Moore.

Neither understands the real world cutthroat politics. And Moore is still flapping his gums on Glass Steagall – he knows nothing about Wall St.

Liz Warren does.

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“You are correct, it is 6,000 earmarks total over 8 billion, feel free to check it out..”

you did note that R’s are the beneficiaries of these earmarks, as well, didn’t you???

or did you just gloss over that part …

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Given all of these Republican house imposed constraints what would a Republican approved budget look like. I’d love to see those numbers. But wait. Wasn’t that Ryan’s yellow brick road map. The one that cut medicare and social security and medicaid and food stamps, etc., while increasing the deficit even more so the wealthiest could get more bigger tax cuts. Why yes. Yes it was! If only we could have a 2.8% unemployment rate, that yellow brick road could lead to a pair of red slippers to boot.

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I think it is funny how you liberal losers always fail to mention that this bill has OVER 7 Billion is DEMOCRATIC earmarks

I didn’t realize by “this bill” you meant a bill that has absolutely nothing to do with the payroll tax bill. My mistake

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The only relevance the GOP holds for the average American is figuring out how to screw them next. I seriously cannot understand how anyone who makes $75k or below can support these jackholes.

Oh wait…they shine up shiny sparkling distractions like gay marriage, abortion, and other wedge issues to divert attention to their pandering policies to wealthy individuals and corporations. Which explains their affinity for glittering signs at their Orange Pekoe Brigade rallies.

If someone studied the mass of GOP supporters, I’m sure they would find at least 80% suffer from ADHD. The other 20% are just dim-witted.

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“I’m NOT happy with that. But if it is 2 months vs 0 months,”

The R’s in the house are trying to give you 12 months. If you’re not happy with the 2 Harry and co. are offering, fuss at them.

Keep kicking the can down the road….

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Kyle has actually written a nice blog on the payroll tax that shows that neither the Rep’s, Dem’s or Obama has covered themselves with glory on the extension.

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“The R’s in the house are trying to give you 12 months”

So were the Senators…but you see, they couldn’t come to an agreement on that…yet…so they, GASP COMPROMISED on a 2 month extension to give them time to be home for the holidays and THEN have time for more negotiations.

But you already know that.

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Which Bills Donna ?

Seems the Repubs in the Senate were Ok and voted so…..Please enlighten the readers to the bills they shouldn’t vote for ?

How do you feel about helping the un-employed this Christmas… Thank you.

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Adam,
The 1900 page “bill” to extend the tax cut is right there in that link, why is that so hard to comprehend? Yes the tax cut is entered into this bill, with ALL the 6,000 earmarks… So I ASSume you would pass this as is? Right?

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“Kyle has actually written a nice blog on the payroll tax that shows that neither the Rep’s, Dem’s or Obama has covered themselves with glory on the extension.”

But childishly likening politicians of the wrong color to Thelma and Louise is just so much more…melodramatic. Who cares if it skews reality?

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Boenher and the House passed a FULL YEAR payroll taxcut – but OLD SOURPUSS REID would not even allow a vote on it.

The truth is that OLD SOURPUSS REID is the one playing politics – pushing thru a 2 month plan. It is UTTERLY ridiculous that reporters do not point out the fact that REID is the problem!

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OBOZONOMICS,

Thanks for the post I was trying to find the text…wonder if BO will offer the 5 days of sunshine before he passes whatever final format of this bill that is created???

One thing positive about the earmarks in a general sense, they are the only aspect of most legislation underwhich we actually know where the money goes….

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Usinuk 9:46
The FL swamp is super dark. Easy to get to. Humidity isn’t great but it’s still good.

Common. Good advice

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godless heathen,

“if he only stayed in DC for one Christmas so that his staff and security could be with their families, it was mighty damn considerate.”

Did you ask this of Bush, or should only Democrats do this?

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GODLESS HEATHEN,

Why exactly does POTUS not pay for any part of his vacation? I can understand we should cover security but it’s not like he isn’t worth millions….at least the prior wingnut had his own place to stay in Crawford so $50k a night isn’t wasted…BO sure picks the most expensive places to vacation….

Quite a perk….ADAM…with no budget does that mean you man can spend 4million anytime he wants to vacation?

The single most important problem is campaign finance reform and ethics reform in Congress…without which we can expect no changes (other that natural market forces) in any of the other secondary issues currently in vogue.

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On Fox News last night, both the Weekly Standard’s Steve Hayes and conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer continued the hand-wringing, with Krauthammer saying that “the Republicans have been entirely outplayed.” “Ultimately, the Republicans will cave,” Krauthammer predicted

And thus all the whining by the righties today……..

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I love the sight of leaderless wingnuts twisting in the wind. Unemployment declining, stock market up, second Great Depression averted, economy recovering, Iraq finished, Libya liberated without US boots on the ground, Bin Laden and his friends killed, lowest tax rates since 1955, millions more with health insurance, auto industry salvaged with net return to taxpayers, zero White House scandals – all Obama’s fault!

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The FL swamp is super dark. Easy to get to. Humidity isn’t great but it’s still good.

Jm. when I was stationed in Tampa, I dated a girl from Hollywood and my roomie, a girl from Ft. Lauderdale. (Don’t ask!)

So we’d pile into my Camaro and head down there pretty much every Friday night.

As we started getting close, I remember off in the distance to the left were all of the lights of the southern Florida cities, and to the right, pitch black darkness where the gators and snapping turtles ruled!

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St Simons

When in doubt, use a string of polysyllabics and the past imperfect subjunctive…

ZamVet

You like that book?

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Jm – VERY cool!!! we live too close to London – way too much light pollution to see anything but the brightest stars … and airplanes …

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JEWCOWBOY,

I left yesterdays afternoon post so didn’t get to giggle at your final response yesterday which I found hilarious…

Of course you are delusional on all of your other postions of course except to the extent they agree with mine (tee hee)…nice to have dialogue with those who don’t resort to shout-downs and name calling…

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Having read the comments I haven’t seen a single one that mentions what’s really going on.

The GOP controlled House has already voted on a bill with a 1 year extension BUT they threw their entire want list which includes Medicare cuts, an increase in Medicare premiums, further spending cuts, new unemployment rules, approval of the XL Pipeline, pay freezes and a hodge podge of other BS.

The House GOP knew this bill was over-reaching and has no chance of passage by the Senate or signing by the president.

The Senate GOP basically wanted the XL pipeline approval and blockage of any “millionaires tax” included for their agreement of a 1 year extension.

Since the GOP and DEMs can’t agree on the XL Pipeline and” millionaires tax” they compromised on a short term fix so the payroll tax wouldn’t kick in and they could have more time to negotiate their differences.

Essentially Both the GOP Senate and House want to use the Payroll Tax Cut as a hostage to get what they want but the Senate is a little more reasonable.

The GOP House is trying to spin this as if they want a full 1 year extension and the Senate just wants to “kick the can down the road” but they don’t tell you that all their other want list is the poison pill the DEMs and Senate don’t want to swallow.

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The House’s actions, both yesterday and earlier in the summer, show a lack of vision and an extreme focus on small-minded, petty politics…

That’s not what made this country great..That’s not what help us defeat fascism, build the Pentagon, nor the TVA…The President, at least, has a big-picture, long-term vision for America…as does the Senate…the House, on the other hand, and the pinheads that support some of these jokers, just want to make the President look bad, even at the expense of the American people….I do not think this will serve them well in November…..
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RE CLINTON,

I’ve been reading about him a lot lately….didn’t realize how sleazy he truly was..I have done a 180 on my feelings of him now that he seems more honest and bi-partisan in some of his assessments…

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“jewcowboy

December 21st, 2011
10:23 am

godless heathen,

“if he only stayed in DC for one Christmas so that his staff and security could be with their families, it was mighty damn considerate.”

Did you ask this of Bush, or should only Democrats do this?
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I didn’t ask it of anybody. I just pointed it out.

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Why do the “People on the Right” on this blog, refuse to see that the Senate passed the 2 month extension with over 80% approving. That works out to about 38 Republican Senators voting yes. Why couldn’t the House just have gone along with ther brethren? Why do they insist in changing the game. Why now insist that they want a year extesion for the American people?

Why indeed. It’s because the House does not want any extension and is playing “high stakes poker” with the Middle Class. Bohner and Cantor are first class, gold plated hypocrites, being led by the nose, period.

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Yup Stevie Ray. things are getting better.. and the GOP is hating that !

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Normal because the Senate is FULL of RINO’s and should be PURGED…start with Chambliss….

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Isn’t it something to see Americans take the side of a dictator such as Hugo Chavez against their own president?

Yes truly the American Spirit in the Right !

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“Isn’t it something to see Americans take the side of a dictator such as Hugo Chavez against their own president?”

Yes, Jay. Glad to see you can comment on that, but not when Obama is kissing his @$$. I guess it ISN’T something when the President of the US is bff with a dictator.

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yep – zero scandals.

Fox News can’t gin up a scandal by itself. No one gives a damn about the longstanding practice of gun walking.

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Stevie

They even pay for BO….

MiltonMan

Paul said no scandals and he’s right.

Now he never said there hadn’t been any ginned up phoney partisan
faux scandals. With the GOP in the opposition position those pop up every 15 minutes or so.

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5 more days the new contender and President of theU.S.

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“He’s a great actor and well-intentioned probably, but he has played the fool on the political stage.”

as opposed to Stephen Baldwin who is only 2 of those three …

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Do liberals ever expect Democrats to do anything? Our president is a Democrat. All I read here is how the GOP didn’t do something. Are Democrats capable of doing anything?

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My favorite Faux scandal ….

Bryan Fischer: Obama wants to give America back to the Indians

What’s yours?

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All this crap started when the R’s got in bed with the extreme right wing religious nuts. It continued in a big, big way when they jumped in the pool with the so called “Tea Party”. The whole point of all that was nothing more than to win elections. At this point they obviously don’t give a good god damn about the country. They’re getting exactly what they deserve. Merry Christmas, everyone….well, almost everyone.

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“All this crap started when the R’s got in bed with the extreme right wing religious nuts.”

Oh yeah, those religious fanatics!! Wow, this guy who wrote this is a complete idiot. Do you consider Obama a religious fanatic?

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Stevie Ray,

“so didn’t get to giggle at your final response yesterday which I found hilarious…”
Please tell me you’ve turned that satellite radio to something more soothing like industrial death metal.

“you are delusional on all of your other postions of course except to the extent they agree with mine”
Well that is a given and, of course, reciprocal

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Granny — my fave fake scandal is the lone Black Panther holding a baton who never intimidated a person.

You can’t have voter intimidation without an intimidated voter! (none were ever found). Of course FAke News made it sound like thousands were beaten half to death.

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It’s real simple, you can read these posts and get the picture, liberals are such an angry group of people, nothing is good enough, blame everyone else, they don’t do anything wrong ever!! It’s like a child…

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Hmmmm….Boner, Reid, Pelosi, McConnell…..should we really be shocked and awed with our bankrupt finances and lack of moral fibre?

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ZamVet

I waded through it twice the first time out of obligation and the second time for a lit course…I never could really get the point, though…

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Amvet
Yeah, I love the swamp down here. Super dark, quiet.

Usinuk yeah, ATL has the same problem as London (only probably only slightly less so). Atlanta is just drowning in light pollution. Someone call the EPA (kidding)

Maybe I’ll go for a smaller telescope. Can get a much cheaper 12 inch and start having fun now rather than wait another year

Ah the dilemmas

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It’s interesting when liberals strongly support Obama but then I ask them why are you such a strong supporter? They then sit there in silence…

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“I love the sight of leaderless wingnuts twisting in the wind. Unemployment declining…”

Now THAT is some spin. Record levels and duration of unemployment and it dips around Christmas time and all is well!! Stay off the rum until Christmas, please.

“…stock market up…”

May I suggest you apply for position with a marketing firm? Or do you already work for one?

“…second Great Depression averted…”

Exactly what my crystal ball said too. Did you get it at Walmart?

“…economy recovering…”

Yes. There is complete agreement on this…you can read about it everywhere.

“…Iraq finished…”

This is a premature statement. We must wait until Iran takes control of it first.

“…Libya liberated without US boots on the ground…”

Now if Obama would only kill off the other hundreds or ruthless dictators in the world, perhaps starting in China.

“…Bin Laden and his friends killed…”

He had friends?

“…lowest tax rates since 1955…”

All thanks to our first mulatto president!!!

“…millions more with health insurance…”

How about all of the inmates who received food stamps? Don’t forget about them!

“…auto industry salvaged with net return to taxpayers…”

How about that Chevy Volt, huh?

“…zero White House scandals…”

You mean, none like those under the Clinton administration? Let’s hope that the Fast and Furious investigation is only what Obama and “friends” say it is: a racially motivated witch hunt!!!

Well said, Paul!!!

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Don’t forget the $200 million dollar a day trip to India……

Why $4 million is a bargain!

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The only thing constant between those two statements is a hatred of Obama

Ah yes! The tie that binds.

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Thesbians?

Are those that what I think they are?

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Dems actually reversed the “Enron Loophole” in 2008 over Bush’s veto too.

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AMVET,

How many of you are there on this forum? Please let me know which one is the real one…isn’t there any screening for names? Is using spin-off on existing name a sign that you’ve hit a nerve?

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Someone wants to sit down to talk about how to pay for a tax cut and not borrow more money? “Sorry, I’m on holiday, just pass it and we’ll see what’s in it later”

Fire the entire 435 in the House next fall, and 33/34 senators that are up for office as well. Can’t do any worse than what we have now. Even throw in a D rated president for good measure and maybe there is hope. Every day these clowns don’t do anything, we go another $4 billion in debt. Every day!

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Go easy on Thelma she cries a lot (may be that time in her life)as for Louise she will follow Thelma.

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Boehner wants to work through the holidays? Why does he hate Christmas? And God? And America?

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Captions for the above photo –

-Friends don’t Let Friends Drive Republican
-The Bush Administration- A Metaphor
-Trickle Down
-ConWorld – The Ride
-Who Needs Road Taxes

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Sean penn and haiti – a match made in liberal heaven….anyone else going to haiti anytime soon?

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Woodstock Mike: “It’s interesting when liberals strongly support Obama but then I ask them why are you such a strong supporter? They then sit there in silence…”

Do you think I am a big supporter of Obama? That is in the mindless, knee-jerk sense?

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Funny how so-called ‘fiscal conservatives’ always talk about ‘cutting spending’, but they never complained when their boy George W. lost 3 billion dollars in the Iraqi desert. Compare that to the flimsy 500 million that was lost by Solyndra that they keep yapping about…

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Bill Orvis White,

FACT: Constantly using “Hussein Obama” rather than his given name is a sign of your xenophobia,

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“All thanks to our first mulatto president!!!”

Who would that be? If you want to go throwing out the race classifications, he’s not a mulatto. Father–mulatto, Mother–white = Quadroon….

Mick

No, they’re not going and maybe they should…and gotta give his “Brownie” points in NOLA…

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It’s time the GOP thinks about someone other than themselves.

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Meh
Eliminate Corp taxes and raise capital gains and dividends taxes

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Talking – 10:55 – I’ll repeat what I said downstairs when ragnar brought up the same subject:

OHNOES!!!!! Hugo Chavez – a man who ended term limits so that he could be preskident for life and who pals around with a certain M Ahmadinajad – doesn’t like our president!!!

OH DEARYDEAR!!! whatever shall we do???

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Oh Lordy

Johnson running on Libertarian ticket

On the bright side, that probably keeps Ron Paul off it

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jewcowboy

yep nothing says islamic like a great 3 point shot and a love of pie.

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JAY,

BTW, I just downloaded Glenn Greenwalds new book and appreciate your turning me on to him…will let you know what I think if you are interested…”With Liberty and Justice for Some”..

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Reuters analysis on their web page: $48 BILLION STOLEN FROM MEDICARE LAST YEAR

What a totally Fd up system

Stop paying your taxes people

You’re being robbed

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USinUK, Granny

Nyanh…best scandal was taking the wife for a night on the town, dinner and a show…just what kind of family values does that man have, anyway…wasn’t he supposed to be feeling patriotic with a harlot?

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whoa granny, Fox wants to give “Merka back to the Indians?
oh..Obama wants to give merka back to the Indians.

the drunk brother-in-law steals my ferrari, takes it out and wrecks it,
and wants me to buy it back from him?

No sir buddy. No sale. You broke it. You bought it.

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josef and granny – then there’s always the “they’re comin’ fer our guns!!!” alarm

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USNUK,

That’s funny I don’t care who you are…look at it this way, Pat Robertson is quite thrilled so shouldn’t we relish TT as well?:-)

I posted this Hitchens quote the other day but appropriate currently: “If you gave Rev Falwell an enema, you could bury his remains in a matchbox….” Of course you can fill in just about any political figure (or perhaps Stevie Ray).

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of course there is the ever popular and yearly

war on Christmas

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Stevie – I’ve heard a lot of Hitchens quotes lately, but not that one … (will be chuckling over that one for days)

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strawman…

The classification for the Coastal Kenyan mixed bloods…as far as US racial categorization, according to the long form, father is not categorized by race…when that happens according to contemporary definitions in the US official documentation, the test is “appearance, what does s/he look like…”

St Simon’s
Drunken brother-in-law? Keerful, you’ll get the R card thrown at ya!

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cons choose to live in la la land by clinging to all the gop lies hoping they are true. They know they are probably lies but they want to believe the lies to make them feel better about losing.

cons are America’s worst sore losers. They never get over it so they live in la la land.

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Ah, history repeats… Has anyone else observed the “our way or the highway” negotiating similarities between the current crop of Republican Tea Partiers and the recently-voted-out-of-office Blue Dogs of the Democrats…? And how nothing gets done for our Country because of their inability to compromise…? Believing that one’s specific solution to the country’s complex problems will be agreeable to all of the electorate is the absolute pinnacle of arrogance.

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jcb, to your point at 11:16, I think some of BHO’s popularity is that he is simply, not George Bush.

ANYONE who succeeded that godawful blithering, deadly idiot would have to be viewed somewhat favorably in comparison.

That BHO and the rest of us inherited the worst mess in modern history is both the good and bad news…

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So they extend the cuts for 2 months, then what?

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It will take businesses 4 months to gear up their payroll systems to figure out the 2 month extension effect. Hasn’t anyone in Congress ever run a business? This is totally irrational.

Sounds like businesses need to get more efficient in their accounting depts.

USinner @ 11:06

Beware, lest you wish to have to Christian basher sticker placed on your shirt.

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Strawman

Mwangi Peter Wanderi has written the most extensively on the cultural identity of the Waswahili…some of his work is available on internet…

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Brocephus – 11:24 – are you kidding??? that one has been placed on my shirt since I was in 7th grade and called an idolator for being Catholic.

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“The thing to do is drastically RAISE taxes — across the board — and INCREASE benefits.”

“Only through the universalization of benefits and responsibilities can this wreck of a system be saved.”

Occupation,

I take it you are being facetious right? You can’t possibly be serious.

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After the cons get destroyed this election, they will be marginilized as kooks where they belong and our country will come back.

We are in the last throes of the kooky con movement.

Hang in there Americans.

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Kam – “The Inuit are supported by the IcePAC.”

booooooooooooooo

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Outdoor adventurers are represented by the BackPAC

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@jewcowboy

Hussein Obama is the “man’s” name. He’s also a failed Marxist community organizer and very failed state and U.S. senator. I know this bad movie better than anyone here on this lefty blog and I’m afraid to see its ending. Mark my words here on this date: this country WILL be in great peril if this once-free nation “re-elects” this failed “president.” I’m also hoping that your Mr. Hatfield over there in Waycross gets ‘Lil Hussein off of the Georgia primary ballot. It’s important that a candidate’s parents were both American born. I still think Mr. Trump was onto something about this “president’s” birthplace.
Merry Christmas and Amen,
Bill

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GOP – Instead of blaming President Obama for the Sun rising in the morning and setting in the evening. You guys should listen to a Michael Jackson song, “I’m Starting with the Man in the Mirror, I’m asking him to change his ways”

My bad, that’s toooooo much like thinking!!!!!!!!!!!!

Newt’s Tiffany’s acct just went up by another $100K(he bought a promise ring)

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What does this tax extension ultimately do? It creates a bigger hole in Social Security funds. It is a stealth plan by Obummer to fundamentally change America. This does not create a job anywhere. Let’s wise up and smell the coffee.

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Strawman

Coastal Kenyans (Waswahili) are quite distinct from those of the interior…the term mulatto for them goes back to the classifications of the British colonial period when they were afforded certain priviledges over the Negroes of the interior…

However, with the exception of the American Indians, one can “legally” call oneself whatever one chooses for classification…only Indians have to present documentation to be officially classified as Pesky Redskins and thus eligible for all the set asides, scholarships, affirmative action, etc, etc.

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Bill Orvis White,

“Hussein Obama is the “man’s” name.”

Hussein is not his given name, it is his middle name. Do you call Clinton Jefferson rather than Bill? Again…your xenophobia is showing.

As for the rest of your screed…Season’s Greetings.

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Sometimes Pres Obama must feel like Sheriff Bart in a mashup
of Blazing Saddles & Les Miserables..

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Hussein is not his given name, it is his middle name.

I’m one of those middle name people.

Causes a lot of problems for children, it does.

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USinner

Well, when you start early, you finish strong!!!!

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Jm,

Ya think he’s serious? That’s the scary part.

Kinda interesting that the do nothing Dem. led senate which has sat on countless house bills and which couldn’t even pass a budget for years is blaming the House. I think the House is right about one thing. That sorry do nothing Senate should keep their sorry, lazy, fat asses in Washington and work through Christmas. I’m thinking the senate is even worse than Obama.

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So calling someone by their middle name now constitutes xenophobia. Interesting leap of logic. A very long leap at that.

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getalife,

“Ron Paul is winning Iowa.”

Perhaps Newt shouldn’t be telling 10% of the population to F-off.

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/20/gingrich-to-gay-iowan-vote-for-obama/

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BK and McD’s both fund the MacPAC

They are being sued though by UrbanGardenPAC (a front for Michelle)

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The fact (not for those living in la la land) is a two month extension is the only thing that would pass.

Ignore that fact all you want cons but it is the truth.

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Doom
I think so
His previous name was Trotsky, after all

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Thulsa,

You don’t think we should blame the House for the fact that more tax money will be removed from my paycheck next month, even though my millionaire Congressman fought long, hard, & nasty to keep his own tax cut from expiring? Okay, I’ll try to see your logic here, but in order to see it, I’ll have to reconcile the GOP House hypocrisy. See, they promised only a year ago:

“We will end the practice of packaging unpopular bills with “must-pass” legislation to circumvent the will of the American people. Instead, we will advance major legislation one issue at a time.”

The reason the Senate didn’t hop all over the House bill was that they broke that promise when they held MY tax rate (but not theirs) hostage in order to insert a favor for their oil-industry buddies. This was also the reason the President gave for promising to veto it. So I ask you, Thulsa Doom: Should I believe the GOP when they make a pledge to me or not? How do YOU rationalize it when they break a promise to you?

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The GOP is being played and they are falling for it…

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Getalife
Let’s talk about your issues then

They are many

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jm,

I do have a issue with cons and I am writing a book called La La land.

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jewcowboy

Well, Barak just don’t get it, Hillary being no Deborah…

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Kam – 11:46 – yep – this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0thRUS1wUw

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josef,

“Of course back when he was born, we still used the term “Christian” name!”

Even if he is a Muslim?

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Guess I’ll get me an on topic post…

Seems like the WSJ isn’t the only one wondering aloud about House Republicans..

I was reading some of the conservative columnists at the WaPo, and they’re feeling the same way…

Ed Rogers

I’m the Republican in The Insiders, so I’m not supposed to say “ditto Carter” to my Democratic counterpart.

The only people House Republicans have over a barrel are other Republicans. We are even about to make Obama a legitimate tax cutter…

or, there’s Jennifer Rubin’s view

The GOP, if it has not the wherewithal to oppose a payroll tax reduction (When will Congress ever have the nerve to increase it and stem further hemorrhaging of funds available for Social Security? Why not cut the entire tax, according to the Democrats’ logic?), then cut a deal and come back to finish the work in 2012. If the Democrats want another 10 months of payroll tax relief, then Republicans should get something for that (e.g. more cuts, a definitive decision on the pipeline). Just not now. In January.

Then there’s Daniel Horowitz over at RedState.com

This is why, for the last time, I call on House Republicans to pass a clean 12-month extension without any strings attached; no riders, reforms, offsets, and extraneous extensions attached. That will totally put the ball back in the Democrats’ court, forcing them to support or reject the only workable extension plan.

Seems like the House GOP has been snookered into stomping the flaming bag on their doorstep…

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I suprised to see most of the liberal posters here are upset with the possibility of a 2% tax hike in your SS tax. I mean you support those who pass legislation that want tax hikes to pay for a egalitarian society. You support those with the mind set that the government ALLOWS you to keep a certain % of the governments money, and it is never YOUR money.

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“when they held MY tax rate (but not theirs) hostage in order to insert a favor for their *oil-industry buddies*”- Matti

Matti,

You make it difficult to respond when you lose all credibility by launching into the hyper rhetoric with nonsense about their “rich oil buddies”.

As for dishonesty and broken promises I recommend you review Obama’s various broken promises. There are way to many to enumerate but here is a link for your review.

Being the fair and open minded person that you are I am certain you will take a half day or so to review his voluminous list of broken promises.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/12/obamas_trail_of_broken_promises.html

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jewcowboy – he’s Muslim??

I thought he was muslin!

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USinUK

December 21st, 2011
10:08 am
That article is from Dec. 15, 2010, NOT 2011. What earmarks are you saying is in the current non-negotiated bill we are all upset about? Sorry if this was discovered but I skipped several pages of comments, so I might be late to the table.

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Strawman,

“During the Depression, of course, everyone turned their noses up at jobs no one else would do because it was beneath them – just like now.”

The Bureau of Labor Statistics puts 4 applicants for every job opening. In a healthy economy the ration is 1:1. People aren’t turning down jobs…there are not enough jobs to go around. Your statement is, well, malarkey.

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““Got a link con?”

Not for third graders.”

Just admit the lie con.

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USinUK

Nyanh…his muslin comes in on his Mama’s side…

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I’ll agree with you that the rejection of this bill is a republican blunder and p.r. disaster but Jay, did you read the entire wall street article or just picked what you wanted out of it. the entire article slams the tax extenstion as bad policy, called it a stupid bill btw. those clowns in wash d.c. have no clue on basic economic policies. the bill was a bad deal and companies like adp (which manage payrolls) said the bill stunk too….

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Thulsa Doom,

“Perhaps he just likes the name.”

I’ve no doubt.

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Conservativism is the checkmate on the little man of the intellectual/spiritual world.

Conservativism is the gnashed teeth and shaking fist of the little man doubling down on his own resentment.

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JCB – not everyone is capable of doing heavy construction for minimum wage, just the Advil alone would eat up their wages.

The loss of middle class and manufacturing jobs is what has created this economic crisis. It goes back to NAFTA(Bush-Clinton) MFN for China (Clinton) and the at will offshoring of these jobs.

Bush did not and would not put and end to the uneven trade with China or end H1b visas (that were no longer needed) but instead gave a free pass to big business that have gutted the US economy while at the same time lowering their taxes.

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Jewcowboy and TD

Good afternoon

I hope he likes the name because the probability that he will be saying it for the next 5 yrs is increasing as time goes by

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Aint that just amazing that poor people with no education and no English speaking skills can find jobs that Americans can’t?

don’t forget to mention the “for little to no pay” part

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lol strawman, that’s funny

but my point was that companies like adp said the new extension would be too hard to empliment and possibly cause companies to violate tax laws…. the bill sucked….if they were going to pass a true extension, it should have been for a year with no strings attached to the tax holiday….

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NoCom

One can only hope.

I’m sure there’s probably some who shied away from TSA, especially after wanting to remove the name “officer” from their job title. Why America puts up with such jackassery, I’ll never understand.

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I may be wrong but 99 weeks of UI isn’t 3 years is it?

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“…if they were going to pass a true extension, it should have been for a year with no strings attached to the tax holiday….”

You will get no argument from me. NO bills, in my opinion, should be created with “strings attached.” THAT is perhaps the principal issue with deadlock in Congress.

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jewcowboy: “People aren’t turning down jobs…there are not enough jobs to go around. Your statement is, well, malarkey.”

From our very own Jay Bookman, June 2011. “Thanks to the resulting labor shortage, Georgia farmers have been forced to leave millions of dollars’ worth of blueberries, onions, melons and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields.”

A problem we didn’t have during the Great Depression.

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They BOTh suck,

“I hope he likes the name because the probability that he will be saying it for the next 5 yrs is increasing as time goes by”

And the GOP is helping that come to fruition.

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agreed strawman, strings attached bills do screw things up, so do politicans who legislate for their own personal benefit, both parties guilty……very guilty….

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“Republicans have created or saved 5,345,911 jobs just by defeating the Dems in 2010 elections.”

oh, my – we seem to have entered into the Unicorns-pooping-Skittles territory again …

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“How many jobs did w lose?”

Well he ‘lost’ his job and those in his administration…then adding that to Obama/Pelosi/Democrat math…your guess is as good as anyones, how about anywhere from 1 to infinity, your call.

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“The Bureau of Labor Statistics puts 4 applicants for every job opening. In a healthy economy the ration is 1:1. People aren’t turning down jobs…there are not enough jobs to go around. Your statement is, well, malarkey.”

Whoever said the economy is healthy? The point was a sarcastic one (in case you didn’t pick up on that) implying that a not miniscule portion of those on the unemployment rolls could find work if they were willing to do things they were “over qualified” to do. My parents grew up in the depression so people like them have better perspective on how things were like than you or me. The movie Cinderella Man captures the hunger people had to work back then. I don’t get that sense now.

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“How many jobs have been recovered from w’s collapse?”

Once again, using Obama/Pelosi/Democrat math anywhere between 1 and infinity, your call.

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You unemployed cons should back up your bs and go help the farmers instead of blaming the American people for your collapse.

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jewcowboy – 12:28 – they’s the forman at Tara – they’ll tell us when it’s quittin’ time!!!!

(don’t be surprised when they don’t say “quittin time” … ever)

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The totality of the conservative strategy : deal in vague insinuations to exploit the ignorance of low information voters.

The core of conservative ideology: cynicism an little-man-ism.

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th,

At the rate the economy is slowly growing, how long until we recover all the jobs w lost?

A decade?

Try to grow up and answer these simple questions con.

I know you can’t.

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jcb, you are not suggesting that the Economics 101 would suggest that unemployed people may not have the money to get to a job in a remote location and even if they did, it may not be a wise economic use of their money if they spend more than they would earn (not including opportunity costs)…… why you would think that even anyone who claimed to have even looked at a Economic syllabus would comprehend that simple reality….. I wonder if the hate and nonsense is somehow distorting rational thought for these wingnuts.

Why basic Economics 101 would say that if these jobs are not being filled, then them there job creators will raise the wage to attract workers absent other factors. Surely there must be someone on the right who can work out these basic Economic matters.

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What I want to know is why no one seems to be talking about how the FICA tax cut is simply defunding Social Security at a time when SS outlays exceed revenues for the first time in 2010, but appears to be in deficit for years to come.

Because any good Republican knows that you have to cut taxes in order to increase tax revenues.

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And for all the lawbreakers out there (the small businesses that hire illegal immigrants( e-verify is the LAW)

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jewcowboy

There was a land of Cavaliers and Cotton Fields called The Old South…Here in this pretty world Gallantry took its last bow…Here was the last ever to be seen of Knights and their ladies fair, of Master and of Slave…”

Who said that?

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Strawman,

“Whoever said the economy is healthy?”
Not I, since the ratio of applicants to jobs is 4:1, rather than 1:1.

“implying that a not miniscule portion of those on the unemployment rolls could find work if they were willing to do things they were “over qualified” to do”
I think you are overlooking the millions who are already doing that…and many cases cobbling together multiple jobs to make ends meet.

The bottom line is the monthly UI benefit is about $1000. Now I don’t know about you, but $1000 a month doesn’t really afford a luxurious or even comfortable existence considering the average 1 bedroom apt in Atlanta rents for $737.

“captures the hunger people had to work back then”
Heaven forbid we actually expect a better life than what those 80 years ago had to deal with.

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jewcowboy,

I almost forgot. Here’s the linkee to all those passed house bills including jobs bills that simply died in the senate. You can thank Harry Reid for joining Obama in an all out assault on the American economy.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/83057-290-bills

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TD – and how many of those ‘jobs’ bills had 2000 pages of rides and earmarks on them?

And what about the promise from the Republicans for no riders on ‘important’ legislation?

Oh wait, I get it JOBS aren’t important to them.

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“That’s probably because directors and expensive camera & production crews aren’t venturing in great numbers to where the truly hungry, destitute people ARE, and creating slickly-edited pieces on poverty that will garner boatloads of advertising dollars.”

Doh! Why didn’t I think of that? What was I thinking, anyway – that there a number of people (NOT all) milking the system rather than working hard to find work? Thanks for SO forcefully convincing me of my error. I am in your debt.

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josef

December 21st, 2011
12:36 pm

Margaret Mitchell…..”Gone With the Wind”

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“The bottom line is the monthly UI benefit is about $1000. Now I don’t know about you, but $1000 a month doesn’t really afford a luxurious or even comfortable existence considering the average 1 bedroom apt in Atlanta rents for $737.”

Of course that assumes everyone is on there own and not, say, living with their parents (did you know that the majority of “poor” people in America are young?)…

“Heaven forbid we actually expect a better life than what those 80 years ago had to deal with.”

There are expectations and then there is reality. I personally wish everyone a good life and have done a lot to help others in need.

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Strawman,

I wasn’t trying to give you a hard time. I thought Cinderalla Man was an awesome movie that powerfully portrayed the widespread hunger and destitution of that era. My point was simply that we don’t SEE the effects of today’s poverty the same way, because our 99 TV channels are piping in all manner of other things into our living rooms. You’re right that today’s poverty is different. Also, there are people who still manage to keep their homes and cars, but have little money left over for food or medicine. It’s not in our faces, but it’s there.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!,

“you are not suggesting that the Economics 101 would suggest that unemployed people may not have the money to get to a job in a remote location and even if they did, it may not be a wise economic use of their money if they spend more than they would earn”

I know…crazy thoughts.

$8 an hour x 8 hours – 20% taxes = $51.20
150 miles / 22mpg x $3.21 a gallon + $0.48 per mile wear and tear(AAA) = $26.68

Take home with no meals = $24.52 per day…for 8 hours of work and at least 2 hours of driving.

$24.52 x 30 days = $735.60

So to be away from home 10 hours a day and work in a field the average unemployed Atlantan would just be able to pay for their average apt.

Brilliant.

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Bless your heart (like, if you had one.)- Matti

Matti,

I was wondering when I would get a “bless your heart” card. I think that’s the 4 millionth of those cards the libs have passed out. When you can’t win a debate just use the “bless your heart” card.

“If you have one”. Yep. I shore do. I just believe that the best way to help people as proven by economic history is for govt to get out of their way and let them pursue their own self-interests without the nanny state dictating everything. You believe in the welfare state taking care of people. The only thing the nanny state does is create more problems than it solves and reduce people to being wards of the state. And people like you call it “compassion”. Shame on you. And if you don’t believe the nanny state creates even more problems than perhaps you should read Patrick Moynihan’s book( a liberal NY senator)who stated back in the early 70s that the welfare state would end up destroying the black family. He was right and liberals like you just refuse to learn.

But go on with your idea that you have a heart because you believe in the nanny state. It obviously makes you feel better. And being a person of such great heart I’m also certain you have a heart for babies and are anti abortion right? I would hate to think you don’t have a heart for the most innocent among us.

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In contrast to Bookman’s linked WSJ editorial .

If the pols want economic recovery, they should go long.

Want Growth? Try Stable Tax Policy
The payroll tax cut is one of 84 tax provisions expiring this year, 10 times as many as expired in 1999. .

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204791104577110152436029914.html?mod=opinion_newsreel

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jewcowboy – 12:50 – but you’re forgetting the rally cry of the right — compared to the poor of Mumbai, the poor here are living the high life!!! they have a refrigerator! dishwasher! indoor plumbing!!!

$24.52 x 30 days = $735.60

sweetjeebuseatingRamen, don’t you know that’s more than 5 years’ wages for people in Mumbai!!!

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Bruno: Exactly. If George Bush in 2006 had promoted 2% reduction in SS taxes the world would have been ending according to the left. Obama promotes the idea today and it’s all wine & roses.

I also am amused that the various proposals to “pay” for the SS tax holiday are general revenue items. I seem to recall Jay and company arguing here vociferously that SS does not affect deficit at all. But if we’re going to pay for an SS tax holiday with general funds, seems to me that ain’t so, now, is it? Of course, it wasn’t so when they said it then either, since SS is now in deficit (outlays exceed annual revenues), the “trust fund” IOUs are starting to come due and must be paid out of general revenues–which mean more borrowing from China, et al. And SS outlays become a deficit driver, or rather did as of 2010 and will be until the system collapses in the not-too-distant future.

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josef – seriously, it was the beginning of gone with the wind

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M PERCY

Fully Funded.

No deficit to SS.

RPEATED FOR EMPHASIS

Fully Funded.

No deficit to SS.

AND AGAIN

Fully Funded.