House GOP has manuevered itself into a dead end
“You’ve always been crazy, this is just the first chance you’ve had to express yourself.”
– Louise to Thelma
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Even the folks on the Wall Street Journal editorial board understand that the House GOP is acting suicidal, noting that the squabble with Senate Republicans has turned into a “circular firing squad” and that “the political rout will only get worse” unless they concede the standoff with President Obama.
“At this stage, Republicans would do best to cut their losses and find a way to extend the payroll holiday quickly. Then go home and return in January with a united House-Senate strategy that forces Democrats to make specific policy choices that highlight the differences between the parties on spending, taxes and regulation. Wisconsin freshman Senator Ron Johnson has been floating a useful agenda for such a strategy. The alternative is more chaotic retreat and the return of all-Democratic rule.”
But Thelma and Louise, also known as John Boehner and Eric Cantor, show no signs of altering course, as the New York Times reports:
“Mr. Boehner of Ohio, the first-year speaker who has struggled throughout 2011 to corral his members, said House Republicans would not relent and accept a two-month extension of the tax cut that was approved by the Senate on Saturday as a way to buy time for a more permanent solution. He instead named members to a committee to negotiate a new agreement with the Senate, which adjourned Saturday….
Mr. Boehner called Mr. Obama to summon the Senate back to Washington to bargain with House Republicans despite the approach of the holidays. “I just think the American people expect us to do our work,” Mr. Boehner said.
But he was rebuffed by Mr. Obama, and by House and Senate Democrats, who said they would appoint no counterparts to Mr. Boehner’s newly named negotiators. And more Republican senators who voted for the Senate bill urged Mr. Boehner to get his lawmakers to do the same, saying the ugly fight was damaging both Republicans and the already badly battered Congress.
“It is harming the Republican Party,” Senator John McCain of Arizona said in an interview on CNN. “It is harming the view, if it’s possible anymore, of the American people about Congress. And we’ve got to get this thing resolved and with the realization that the payroll tax cut must remain in effect.”
Obama and the Democrats must think it’s Christmas or something.
– Jay Bookman
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TaxPayer
December 21st, 2011
10:08 am
Given all of these Republican house imposed constraints what would a Republican approved budget look like. I’d love to see those numbers. But wait. Wasn’t that Ryan’s yellow brick road map. The one that cut medicare and social security and medicaid and food stamps, etc., while increasing the deficit even more so the wealthiest could get more bigger tax cuts. Why yes. Yes it was! If only we could have a 2.8% unemployment rate, that yellow brick road could lead to a pair of red slippers to boot.
Strawman
December 21st, 2011
10:10 am
“I read the first page of comments and did not see one articulate defense of House Republicans’ actions.”
LOL. You are actually looking for an “articulate defense” of politicians “actions” (Republican OR Democratic – let’s not stupidly leave out the latter)? Do you still believe in Santa Claus?
Adam
December 21st, 2011
10:10 am
I think it is funny how you liberal losers always fail to mention that this bill has OVER 7 Billion is DEMOCRATIC earmarks
I didn’t realize by “this bill” you meant a bill that has absolutely nothing to do with the payroll tax bill. My mistake
Paul
December 21st, 2011
10:10 am
Keep
Yeah, well, I had to ask -
jewcowboy
December 21st, 2011
10:11 am
The only relevance the GOP holds for the average American is figuring out how to screw them next. I seriously cannot understand how anyone who makes $75k or below can support these jackholes.
Oh wait…they shine up shiny sparkling distractions like gay marriage, abortion, and other wedge issues to divert attention to their pandering policies to wealthy individuals and corporations. Which explains their affinity for glittering signs at their Orange Pekoe Brigade rallies.
If someone studied the mass of GOP supporters, I’m sure they would find at least 80% suffer from ADHD. The other 20% are just dim-witted.
USinUK
December 21st, 2011
10:11 am
OH WOE!!!! Steve thinks I’m stupid!!!!
whatever shall I do???
wherever shall I go???
oi – numpty – you were the one gloating that Obama lost a “fan” — just pointing out that, in the scheme of the election, that means less than what you seem to think it means.
RB from Gwinnett
December 21st, 2011
10:12 am
“I’m NOT happy with that. But if it is 2 months vs 0 months,”
The R’s in the house are trying to give you 12 months. If you’re not happy with the 2 Harry and co. are offering, fuss at them.
Keep kicking the can down the road….
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 21st, 2011
10:12 am
It seems like house republicans like to hold up ANY pro wage earner or UI benefits bills at Christmas.
Last year they held out for the extension of the Bush era tax cuts for the wealthy, this year who the hell knows what the congress critters want
Steve - USA
December 21st, 2011
10:13 am
Kyle has actually written a nice blog on the payroll tax that shows that neither the Rep’s, Dem’s or Obama has covered themselves with glory on the extension.
mm
December 21st, 2011
10:13 am
“Every rational and sane person sees this 2 month extension as the total lack of legislative competence it is.”
You rightwing morons always ignore the truth. Your a holes in the senate blocked your house bill. Then your a holes in the house blocked the senate bill. And you’re blaming the democrats? Americans will vote your party into the politcal wilderness over this one.
Doggone/GA
December 21st, 2011
10:14 am
“The R’s in the house are trying to give you 12 months”
So were the Senators…but you see, they couldn’t come to an agreement on that…yet…so they, GASP COMPROMISED on a 2 month extension to give them time to be home for the holidays and THEN have time for more negotiations.
But you already know that.
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 21st, 2011
10:14 am
jewcowboy -
GOP owns the Wahhabi Christians on abortion, gay hating, Zionism, and Creationism.
50% of the middle class is THAT STUPID.
Peter
December 21st, 2011
10:14 am
Which Bills Donna ?
Seems the Repubs in the Senate were Ok and voted so…..Please enlighten the readers to the bills they shouldn’t vote for ?
How do you feel about helping the un-employed this Christmas… Thank you.
honest_abe
December 21st, 2011
10:15 am
time for a speaker with some backbone. boehner has proven to be an abject failure. this is a battle the house republican just can’t win.
the funniest part of this entire ordeal is that most of these same repubs opposed the payroll holiday just a few weeks ago. now they want to make sure it’s extended for a full year. make up your mind already!
Obozonomics
December 21st, 2011
10:15 am
Adam,
The 1900 page “bill” to extend the tax cut is right there in that link, why is that so hard to comprehend? Yes the tax cut is entered into this bill, with ALL the 6,000 earmarks… So I ASSume you would pass this as is? Right?
Stevie Ray
December 21st, 2011
10:16 am
Peter,
I find it difficult to opine that one man is responsible for end of Iraq war, killing of OBL, decrease (which may prove seasonal) in unemployment et al….Of course, I don’t believe the government has any material impact on economy that is not negative and cost inefficient…the war ended as scheduled and the search for OBL went on for 10 years…not like your man was on the ground or otherwise involved in all the years rebuilding intelligence network destroyed over the years…not sure who to blame for that..
ADAM,
I understand the push the ball forward tactic with budget but why exactly is creating a new budget something that went by the wayside? Using my budget from 3 years ago would be a devastatingly bad idea for my family…
The bill that’s all the rage relative to extension of payroll tax certainly has it’s share of earmarks…many of the most ridiculous are GOP driven….All this is simply partisan re-election posturing as usual from BOTH parties with no small amount driven by the long on wind, short on experience BO…the entire town reaks of egotistical and no backboned electorate who have no concern except where campaign funds will be found for re-election…
Strawman
December 21st, 2011
10:17 am
“Kyle has actually written a nice blog on the payroll tax that shows that neither the Rep’s, Dem’s or Obama has covered themselves with glory on the extension.”
But childishly likening politicians of the wrong color to Thelma and Louise is just so much more…melodramatic. Who cares if it skews reality?
Steve - USA
December 21st, 2011
10:18 am
UsinUk,
It was a joke, Do you really think Matt Damon is the straw that stirs the drink? You have no idea what I think it means.
How you arrived at me thinking he would vote for the GOP is only a fairy tale in your mind.
Miike
December 21st, 2011
10:18 am
Boenher and the House passed a FULL YEAR payroll taxcut – but OLD SOURPUSS REID would not even allow a vote on it.
The truth is that OLD SOURPUSS REID is the one playing politics – pushing thru a 2 month plan. It is UTTERLY ridiculous that reporters do not point out the fact that REID is the problem!
godless heathen
December 21st, 2011
10:19 am
Why begrudge the family a chance to have their vacation? Why make the ACTUAL children suffer because Congress are acting like children? Are you saying the first family should fly coach with no security?
Well Adam, did I say that? If I were saying that I would have said that. Begrudge Michelle and the tikes their vacation? Poor poor overworked Michelle. They could simply ride with Daddy when he went to Hawaii. He could leave three of his “Yes, you are the greatest.” parrots off the flight.
Stevie Ray
December 21st, 2011
10:19 am
OBOZONOMICS,
Thanks for the post I was trying to find the text…wonder if BO will offer the 5 days of sunshine before he passes whatever final format of this bill that is created???
One thing positive about the earmarks in a general sense, they are the only aspect of most legislation underwhich we actually know where the money goes….
St Simons - we're on Island time
December 21st, 2011
10:20 am
“Maybe you should have given a bit more thought to your piece.”
Now Strawman,& Steve, this is not a Herman Cain/Newt thread.
Jm
December 21st, 2011
10:20 am
Usinuk 9:46
The FL swamp is super dark. Easy to get to. Humidity isn’t great but it’s still good.
Common. Good advice
AmVet - Pa rum pum pum pum, cons are dumb
December 21st, 2011
10:21 am
Is there something wrong with going home for the holidays?
According to Thomas Wolfe, it ain’t possible!
But then again…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffUY8T5xmtI
jewcowboy
December 21st, 2011
10:23 am
godless heathen,
“if he only stayed in DC for one Christmas so that his staff and security could be with their families, it was mighty damn considerate.”
Did you ask this of Bush, or should only Democrats do this?
Billings
December 21st, 2011
10:23 am
Democrats always look for the quick fix. The GOP aims for long-term solutions. Two months vs one year. The business community would benefit from the latter, which, by extension, would benefit the unemployed.
The standoff was sowing confusion among business executives, who were running out of time to adapt to any new payroll tax regimen. Even the Senate’s proposed two-month extension was creating headaches because it contained a two-tiered system geared to ensuring that higher-income earners paid a higher rate on some of their wages, according to a trade group.
“There’s not time enough to do that in an orderly fashion,” said Pete A. Isberg, president of the National Payroll Reporting Consortium trade group. “We’re two weeks away from 2012.” He wrote a letter to congressional leaders this week warning that the Senate bill “could create substantial problems, confusion and costs.”
Meanwhile, Medicare announced Tuesday that, as it has in the past when doctors’ reimbursements have been cut through congressional inaction, it would withhold physicians’ payments for two weeks in January to avoid passing on a 27 percent cut in Medicare fees. The hope is that the problem gets fixed by then.
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=699631
Stevie Ray
December 21st, 2011
10:24 am
GODLESS HEATHEN,
Why exactly does POTUS not pay for any part of his vacation? I can understand we should cover security but it’s not like he isn’t worth millions….at least the prior wingnut had his own place to stay in Crawford so $50k a night isn’t wasted…BO sure picks the most expensive places to vacation….
Quite a perk….ADAM…with no budget does that mean you man can spend 4million anytime he wants to vacation?
The single most important problem is campaign finance reform and ethics reform in Congress…without which we can expect no changes (other that natural market forces) in any of the other secondary issues currently in vogue.
Strawman
December 21st, 2011
10:24 am
“…but you see, they couldn’t come to an agreement on that…yet…so they, GASP COMPROMISED on a 2 month extension to give them time to be home for the holidays and THEN have time for more negotiations.”
Yes..we need to give the politicians in DC at least a year to make a decision that would take business executives a couple of days to make. Sounds good.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2011
10:24 am
On Fox News last night, both the Weekly Standard’s Steve Hayes and conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer continued the hand-wringing, with Krauthammer saying that “the Republicans have been entirely outplayed.” “Ultimately, the Republicans will cave,” Krauthammer predicted
And thus all the whining by the righties today……..
willydoit?
December 21st, 2011
10:24 am
I am willing to pay more…tax away!!
Ask not what your country can do for you….
Paul
December 21st, 2011
10:24 am
I love the sight of leaderless wingnuts twisting in the wind. Unemployment declining, stock market up, second Great Depression averted, economy recovering, Iraq finished, Libya liberated without US boots on the ground, Bin Laden and his friends killed, lowest tax rates since 1955, millions more with health insurance, auto industry salvaged with net return to taxpayers, zero White House scandals – all Obama’s fault!
LeeH1
December 21st, 2011
10:25 am
I remember back when, during the Triassic-Bush Period, you didn’t need to pay for tax cuts, because the neo-cons said they paid for themselves.
Now their ideas of taxes have evolved, even if they don’t believe in evolution. While they don’t have to pay for tax cuts for the super-rich, they do have to pay for tax cuts to the middle class, or they can’t be made.
Did anyone mark in the rock strata when this curious evolution of tax ideas took place?
And remember: “When evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve!”
AmVet - Pa rum pum pum pum, cons are dumb
December 21st, 2011
10:26 am
The FL swamp is super dark. Easy to get to. Humidity isn’t great but it’s still good.
Jm. when I was stationed in Tampa, I dated a girl from Hollywood and my roomie, a girl from Ft. Lauderdale. (Don’t ask!)
So we’d pile into my Camaro and head down there pretty much every Friday night.
As we started getting close, I remember off in the distance to the left were all of the lights of the southern Florida cities, and to the right, pitch black darkness where the gators and snapping turtles ruled!
Steve - USA
December 21st, 2011
10:26 am
Not a fan of Obama but he has young children, the guy should be able to enjoy a Christmas vacation without taking a beating for it.
If he worked through Christmas people would say it is proof he is not a real Christian.
josef
December 21st, 2011
10:26 am
St Simons
When in doubt, use a string of polysyllabics and the past imperfect subjunctive…
ZamVet
You like that book?
MiltonMan
December 21st, 2011
10:26 am
You libs are much too easy. Funny how you clowns always bring up Enron/Ken Lay & how much they were in bed with the reps. Here is one for you – the clueless gaggle:
Clinton officials publicly helped Enron win the contract in India as well as in Indonesia. Enron had received U.S. government funds to build power plants in China, the Philippines and Turkey. Enron also won contracts in Pakistan and Russia while accompanying senior U.S. government officials on state trips. In June 1996, four days before India granted final approval to Enron’s project, Lay’s company gave $100,000 to the DNC. Source: Time Magazine
USinUK
December 21st, 2011
10:26 am
Jm – VERY cool!!! we live too close to London – way too much light pollution to see anything but the brightest stars … and airplanes …
Talking Head
December 21st, 2011
10:27 am
I don’t like Hugo Chavez or his political ideals, but I do agree with him on the following quotes:
“Mr. Obama decided to attack us,” Chávez said. “Now you want to win votes by attacking Venezuela. Don’t be irresponsible. You are a clown, a clown. Leave us in peace … Go after your votes by fulfilling that which you promised your people.”
“Focus on governing your country, which you’ve turned into a disaster,”
…and I thought they were friends, aww.
Stevie Ray
December 21st, 2011
10:27 am
JEWCOWBOY,
I left yesterdays afternoon post so didn’t get to giggle at your final response yesterday which I found hilarious…
Of course you are delusional on all of your other postions of course except to the extent they agree with mine (tee hee)…nice to have dialogue with those who don’t resort to shout-downs and name calling…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2011
10:27 am
For Straw and the other distorters….. I am confident that if a bill is proposed that extends the payroll tax cuts for a year and imposing a small tax increase on the very wealthy, why the Dems would gladly sign on (oh wait they did, why was that not passed, oh right, the asshat Republicans)… and it could have all be done in less than 30 minutes. Pizza anyone?
TPiper
December 21st, 2011
10:28 am
Having read the comments I haven’t seen a single one that mentions what’s really going on.
The GOP controlled House has already voted on a bill with a 1 year extension BUT they threw their entire want list which includes Medicare cuts, an increase in Medicare premiums, further spending cuts, new unemployment rules, approval of the XL Pipeline, pay freezes and a hodge podge of other BS.
The House GOP knew this bill was over-reaching and has no chance of passage by the Senate or signing by the president.
The Senate GOP basically wanted the XL pipeline approval and blockage of any “millionaires tax” included for their agreement of a 1 year extension.
Since the GOP and DEMs can’t agree on the XL Pipeline and” millionaires tax” they compromised on a short term fix so the payroll tax wouldn’t kick in and they could have more time to negotiate their differences.
Essentially Both the GOP Senate and House want to use the Payroll Tax Cut as a hostage to get what they want but the Senate is a little more reasonable.
The GOP House is trying to spin this as if they want a full 1 year extension and the Senate just wants to “kick the can down the road” but they don’t tell you that all their other want list is the poison pill the DEMs and Senate don’t want to swallow.
Granny Godzilla
December 21st, 2011
10:28 am
Stvie Ray
“Why exactly does POTUS not pay for any part of his vacation?”
Actually he does pay for his part of the vacation expenses.
Do some homework.
redneckbluedog
December 21st, 2011
10:28 am
The House’s actions, both yesterday and earlier in the summer, show a lack of vision and an extreme focus on small-minded, petty politics…
That’s not what made this country great..That’s not what help us defeat fascism, build the Pentagon, nor the TVA…The President, at least, has a big-picture, long-term vision for America…as does the Senate…the House, on the other hand, and the pinheads that support some of these jokers, just want to make the President look bad, even at the expense of the American people….I do not think this will serve them well in November…..
…..
Peter
December 21st, 2011
10:29 am
WOW…. such a statement…..Democrats always look for the quick fix. The GOP aims for long-term solutions.
Yup WAR, Inflation, help a few of the very Rich long term I guess ?
Stevie Ray
December 21st, 2011
10:29 am
RE CLINTON,
I’ve been reading about him a lot lately….didn’t realize how sleazy he truly was..I have done a 180 on my feelings of him now that he seems more honest and bi-partisan in some of his assessments…
josef
December 21st, 2011
10:30 am
PAUL
Pretty good list there, but let’s not put Iraq finished in there…like I say, this one sounds an awful lot like Mission Accomplished to me…and the news coming out from there ain’t good….
godless heathen
December 21st, 2011
10:31 am
“jewcowboy
December 21st, 2011
10:23 am
godless heathen,
“if he only stayed in DC for one Christmas so that his staff and security could be with their families, it was mighty damn considerate.”
Did you ask this of Bush, or should only Democrats do this?
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I didn’t ask it of anybody. I just pointed it out.
Jay
December 21st, 2011
10:31 am
Isn’t it something to see Americans take the side of a dictator such as Hugo Chavez against their own president?
Normal
December 21st, 2011
10:31 am
Why do the “People on the Right” on this blog, refuse to see that the Senate passed the 2 month extension with over 80% approving. That works out to about 38 Republican Senators voting yes. Why couldn’t the House just have gone along with ther brethren? Why do they insist in changing the game. Why now insist that they want a year extesion for the American people?
Why indeed. It’s because the House does not want any extension and is playing “high stakes poker” with the Middle Class. Bohner and Cantor are first class, gold plated hypocrites, being led by the nose, period.
Bill
December 21st, 2011
10:31 am
The House is the ONLY one doing its job….Bookman is for it…I am not…thanks Mr, Speaker, Ryan and Cantor….
Peter
December 21st, 2011
10:31 am
Yup Stevie Ray. things are getting better.. and the GOP is hating that !
MiltonMan
December 21st, 2011
10:32 am
Paul – “zero white house scandals”???
Yet another lib homer with his head in the sand.
I guess you never heard of Fast & Furious. Solyndra, etc.???
Bill
December 21st, 2011
10:32 am
Normal because the Senate is FULL of RINO’s and should be PURGED…start with Chambliss….
Steve - USA
December 21st, 2011
10:32 am
Jay@10:31
Let’s leave Sean Penn out of this.
Peter
December 21st, 2011
10:32 am
Isn’t it something to see Americans take the side of a dictator such as Hugo Chavez against their own president?
Yes truly the American Spirit in the Right !
Stevie Ray
December 21st, 2011
10:34 am
GRANNY,
Thanks I wasn’t aware of that….makes me feel better about one small aspect of where our money is burned…my bad.
Jay
December 21st, 2011
10:34 am
I’m with you on Penn, Steve. He’s a great actor and well-intentioned probably, but he has played the fool on the political stage.
jewcowboy
December 21st, 2011
10:35 am
Stevie Ray,
“Quite a perk….ADAM…with no budget does that mean you man can spend 4million anytime he wants to vacation?”
The Air Force pegs operating AF1 at $182k an hour. It is 2.5 hours from Washington to TX. Bush visited Crawford 77 times in his Presidency.
$182,000 x 5 x 77 = $70,070,000
Talking Head
December 21st, 2011
10:36 am
“Isn’t it something to see Americans take the side of a dictator such as Hugo Chavez against their own president?”
Yes, Jay. Glad to see you can comment on that, but not when Obama is kissing his @$$. I guess it ISN’T something when the President of the US is bff with a dictator.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 21st, 2011
10:36 am
Talking Heads: “country, which you’ve turned into a disaster,”
…and I thought they were friends, aww”
Guess you better take another look at all those right wing fantasy scenarios about the Kenyan being part of a world-wide plot of Marxist sympathizers eh?
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 21st, 2011
10:37 am
yep – zero scandals.
Fox News can’t gin up a scandal by itself. No one gives a damn about the longstanding practice of gun walking.
mm
December 21st, 2011
10:37 am
“The truth is that OLD SOURPUSS REID is the one playing politics – pushing thru a 2 month plan. It is UTTERLY ridiculous that reporters do not point out the fact that REID is the problem!”
That bill contained lots of BS, such as the pipeline, cuts to unemployment, etc. If you can’t be honest with others, at least be honest with yourself.
Granny Godzilla
December 21st, 2011
10:37 am
Stevie
They even pay for BO….
MiltonMan
Paul said no scandals and he’s right.
Now he never said there hadn’t been any ginned up phoney partisan
faux scandals. With the GOP in the opposition position those pop up every 15 minutes or so.
josef
December 21st, 2011
10:38 am
JAY
“Isn’t it something to see Americans take the side of a dictator such as Hugo Chavez against their own president?”
D*mn, Boy, I keep telling you…read the memos!
All right, Sean Penn…gets on my last gay nerve a lot of the time, but I’ll say this for him, he not only puts his money where his mouth is, he gets in there and does the hands on dirt work, too…gotta respect him for that…
nelsonh
December 21st, 2011
10:38 am
5 more days the new contender and President of theU.S.
getalife
December 21st, 2011
10:38 am
Time to disband the whig party again.
USinUK
December 21st, 2011
10:38 am
“He’s a great actor and well-intentioned probably, but he has played the fool on the political stage.”
as opposed to Stephen Baldwin who is only 2 of those three …
AmVet - A Happy KwanzChristmakkuh to al!
December 21st, 2011
10:39 am
josef, I couldn’t get through it. As dry as saltines…
Head, may I presume you also enjoyed his “It doesn’t smell like sulfur anymore.” comments about GWB?
Oh, the risk of agreeing with foreign tyrants. Even when they compare themselves to JFK.
But to each his own…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyyRLv0mFa4&feature=related
WOODSTOCK MIKE
December 21st, 2011
10:39 am
Do liberals ever expect Democrats to do anything? Our president is a Democrat. All I read here is how the GOP didn’t do something. Are Democrats capable of doing anything?
Stevie Ray
December 21st, 2011
10:39 am
PETER,
One month of favorable trend an economic turnaround do not make. His re-election depends on 3 things only: the economic trend leading up to November, the turnout of all those first-time voters in 2008, and which nitwit the GOP puts up against him….he can’t win on his record alone that’s for sure…the blame game is getting old and it’s time he take some responsibility and offer leadership to the issues we face….campaign finance reform and ethics reform of Congress is a good start…he could win on championing those causes alone and would be my vote…
Too bad his has broken his pledge to “end the days of lobbyists setting DC agenda” and casting rays of light on legislation before he signs it…of course, it takes 2 or 3 days of the 5 for anyone actually interested to read 1900 pages of crap so I don’t see why he doesn’t make good on that promise as well..
Granny Godzilla
December 21st, 2011
10:40 am
My favorite Faux scandal ….
Bryan Fischer: Obama wants to give America back to the Indians
What’s yours?
USinUK
December 21st, 2011
10:40 am
Grany G – 10:37 – well, there WAS the scandal of Obama’s gift to the Queen …
and don’t forget the Churchill bust scandal …
they were downright … scandalous! I tells ya!!
AU Liberal in ATL
December 21st, 2011
10:40 am
All this crap started when the R’s got in bed with the extreme right wing religious nuts. It continued in a big, big way when they jumped in the pool with the so called “Tea Party”. The whole point of all that was nothing more than to win elections. At this point they obviously don’t give a good god damn about the country. They’re getting exactly what they deserve. Merry Christmas, everyone….well, almost everyone.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
December 21st, 2011
10:41 am
And don’t tell me that on one side Republicans won’t follow John Boehner and on the other side Republicans get their way on any vote because they hold the majority. Either they are with Boehner or not, which is it?
Jay
December 21st, 2011
10:42 am
So which is it, Talking?
You initially said you agreed with Chavez’ complaints about Obama “attacking Venezuela”.
Now suddenly you claim that Obama is kissing his @ss and is bff with Chavez? Which is it?
The only thing constant between those two statements is a hatred of Obama and a willingness to believe anything and support anything, including an anti-American dictator like Chavez, that might validate your hatred.
Stevie Ray
December 21st, 2011
10:42 am
JAY,
Can you think of any thesbians who haven’t fallen into Penn’s category of foolishness. I thought all he needed was “some tasty waves and a cool buzz…”
Is Alec Baldwin still a citizen of US or is he operating exclusively from France. I can’t keep up. Jon Voight is equally nauseous for GOP positioning..
WOODSTOCK MIKE
December 21st, 2011
10:43 am
“All this crap started when the R’s got in bed with the extreme right wing religious nuts.”
Oh yeah, those religious fanatics!! Wow, this guy who wrote this is a complete idiot. Do you consider Obama a religious fanatic?
Kamchak
December 21st, 2011
10:43 am
My favorite scandal?
The long form.
What’s in box 23, or was it 26?
jewcowboy
December 21st, 2011
10:43 am
Stevie Ray,
“so didn’t get to giggle at your final response yesterday which I found hilarious…”
Please tell me you’ve turned that satellite radio to something more soothing like industrial death metal.
“you are delusional on all of your other postions of course except to the extent they agree with mine”
Well that is a given and, of course, reciprocal
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2011
10:43 am
Woodstock: Do liberals ever expect Democrats to do anything? Our president is a Democrat. All I read here is how the GOP didn’t do something. Are Democrats capable of doing anything?
http://kids.clerk.house.gov/grade-school/lesson.html?intID=17
Enough said but whine on.
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 21st, 2011
10:43 am
Granny — my fave fake scandal is the lone Black Panther holding a baton who never intimidated a person.
You can’t have voter intimidation without an intimidated voter! (none were ever found). Of course FAke News made it sound like thousands were beaten half to death.
Granny Godzilla
December 21st, 2011
10:44 am
oh and the terrorist fist bump….that makes me chuckle still
WOODSTOCK MIKE
December 21st, 2011
10:44 am
It’s real simple, you can read these posts and get the picture, liberals are such an angry group of people, nothing is good enough, blame everyone else, they don’t do anything wrong ever!! It’s like a child…
Paul
December 21st, 2011
10:44 am
Google: “never-wrong pundit Allan Lichtman”
Stevie Ray
December 21st, 2011
10:44 am
Hmmmm….Boner, Reid, Pelosi, McConnell…..should we really be shocked and awed with our bankrupt finances and lack of moral fibre?
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2011
10:45 am
And MiltonMan conveniently neglects to mention that Phil Gramm’s wife was on the Board of Directors of Enron back when Phil slipped that little midnight hour addendum into the must pass budget bill without any review or discussion. You know the one.
josef
December 21st, 2011
10:45 am
ZamVet
I waded through it twice the first time out of obligation and the second time for a lit course…I never could really get the point, though…
Normal
December 21st, 2011
10:45 am
Start breaking out your Short Timers calandar…the end is near…
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/mexico-mayan-region-launches-1265989.html?cxntlid=thbz_hm
Jm
December 21st, 2011
10:46 am
Amvet
Yeah, I love the swamp down here. Super dark, quiet.
Usinuk yeah, ATL has the same problem as London (only probably only slightly less so). Atlanta is just drowning in light pollution. Someone call the EPA (kidding)
Maybe I’ll go for a smaller telescope. Can get a much cheaper 12 inch and start having fun now rather than wait another year
Ah the dilemmas
Nice Guy
December 21st, 2011
10:46 am
Jay – “Even the folks on the Wall Street Journal editorial board understand…”
The liberal holier-than-thou attitude is displayed right off the bat.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
December 21st, 2011
10:46 am
It’s interesting when liberals strongly support Obama but then I ask them why are you such a strong supporter? They then sit there in silence…
Welcome to the Occupation
December 21st, 2011
10:46 am
Woodstock Mike “It’s real simple, you can read these posts and get the picture, liberals are such an angry group of people, nothing is good enough, blame everyone else, they don’t do anything wrong ever”
Again, what’s a “liberal” exactly? Is that just assumed to mean someone who supports Barack Obama and/or criticizes House Republicans? Kind of narrow don’t you think?
How’s everyone doing this morning? Another day in the oligarchy!
Strawman
December 21st, 2011
10:46 am
“I love the sight of leaderless wingnuts twisting in the wind. Unemployment declining…”
Now THAT is some spin. Record levels and duration of unemployment and it dips around Christmas time and all is well!! Stay off the rum until Christmas, please.
“…stock market up…”
May I suggest you apply for position with a marketing firm? Or do you already work for one?
“…second Great Depression averted…”
Exactly what my crystal ball said too. Did you get it at Walmart?
“…economy recovering…”
Yes. There is complete agreement on this…you can read about it everywhere.
“…Iraq finished…”
This is a premature statement. We must wait until Iran takes control of it first.
“…Libya liberated without US boots on the ground…”
Now if Obama would only kill off the other hundreds or ruthless dictators in the world, perhaps starting in China.
“…Bin Laden and his friends killed…”
He had friends?
“…lowest tax rates since 1955…”
All thanks to our first mulatto president!!!
“…millions more with health insurance…”
How about all of the inmates who received food stamps? Don’t forget about them!
“…auto industry salvaged with net return to taxpayers…”
How about that Chevy Volt, huh?
“…zero White House scandals…”
You mean, none like those under the Clinton administration? Let’s hope that the Fast and Furious investigation is only what Obama and “friends” say it is: a racially motivated witch hunt!!!
Well said, Paul!!!
saywhat?
December 21st, 2011
10:46 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE
December 21st, 2011
10:39 am
“Do liberals ever expect Democrats to do anything? Our president is a Democrat. All I read here is how the GOP didn’t do something. Are Democrats capable of doing anything?”
I can’t speak for others, but I expected Democrats to pass some form of health care reform, and they did (although not in the form I would have preferred). I expected them to end DADT, and they did. I expected the President to get us out of Iraq, and he did, to get Osama Bin Laden, and he did, and to get us out of Afghanistan, which I still hope he will. I expect the Democrats to strengthen the economy, and they have, despite the total lack of cooperation, not to mention outright attempts at sabotage and hostage taking from the GOP.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 21st, 2011
10:46 am
Don’t forget the $200 million dollar a day trip to India……
Why $4 million is a bargain!
Stevie Ray
December 21st, 2011
10:47 am
JEWBOY,
The worst of the worst are John Gibson and Thom Hartmann. BIG Ed is the best for comedic relief…
On another note, can you guess how many times I’ve be referred to as GOYIM from parents of women I’ve dated?
TaxPayer
December 21st, 2011
10:47 am
The only thing constant between those two statements is a hatred of Obama
Ah yes! The tie that binds.
Kamchak
December 21st, 2011
10:48 am
It’s interesting when liberals strongly support Obama but then I ask them why are you such a strong supporter? They then sit there in silence…
Once again for those of you in the cheap seats — I SUPPORTED JUAN McSAME AND SNOWBILLY SNOOKI IN THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION!
AmVet - A Happy KwanzChristmakkuh to al!
December 21st, 2011
10:48 am
Thesbians?
Are those that what I think they are?
jewcowboy
December 21st, 2011
10:48 am
“NORTH KOREA: Unemployed Twentysomething Gets Nuclear Weapons” ~ Andy Borowitz