GOP candidates tout war-happy, shoot-first approach
I didn’t watch all of last night’s GOP debate, but I did see an extended section on foreign policy. It was a horror show in which the candidates competed to show their disdain for and disinterest in the rest of the world, as well as their avid eagerness to use military power to solve problems. They seemed to think that those two traits ought to define America’s approach to the rest of the world, and the audience loved them for it.
Ron Paul was the only one who demonstrated a lick of sense or restraint.
Rick Perry, for example, repeated a refrain from the previous debate by insisting that President Obama had just two options after a U.S. spy plane drone was brought down over Iran and captured: Go into Iran and take it back, or or send missiles to destroy it on the ground, as if the Iranians have it sitting out on some airfield with red arrows helpfully pointing toward it.
The foolishness of that approach is self-evident, but I expect no better from the half-informed cowboy governor. I did expect better from Mitt Romney, but instead what we got was as bad or worse. Moderator Bret Baier noted that Romney had earlier called Obama’s response to the drone capture “extraordinarily weak and timid,” and asked Romney whether this weakness had invited war.
For those who can’t watch the video, here’s how it went:
“Absolutely. Does timidity and weakness invite aggression on the part of other people? Absolutely. A strong America is the best ally peace has ever known. This is a president that …. a spy drone downed over Iran and he says ‘pretty please?’” Foreign policy based on `pretty please?’ You have to be kidding.”
Romney, it turns out, is also in the “destroy it or go get it” camp, as if it were possible for the U.S. military to put together a crash rescue mission into the heart of Iran and fly the drone out of there. It’s a scenario that would be ridiculous in a Hollywood movie.
In addition, let’s also note that President Obama did not ask Osama bin Laden, “May I kill you, pretty please?” Nor has he taken that approach with the scores of other members of al Qaida and Taliban leadership targeted in Pakistan or Yemen. Romney’s charge that Obama has been weak or timid in his use of force when necessary is ridiculous on its face.
In this particular instance, our spy drone was violating Iranian airspace. Don’t get me wrong — I’m glad we’re keeping a close eye on things there. But its presence in violation of international law doesn’t exactly put us in a strong position to be outraged. Sending troops to retrieve it or trying to destroy it would escalate the matter into a major confrontation, with war a likely outcome. The price of oil would likely double or triple, the economy would go into a tailspin and the Middle East would erupt. Yet every candidate up there — again with the sane exception of Ron Paul — seemed to think that would be just grand.
Let’s review how a similar but much more important situation played out:
In April of 2001, a U.S. spy plane with 24 American military personnel aboard was forced down on Chinese soil after a collision with a Chinese jet. The Chinese refused to release either the plane or the personnel. The 24 Americans were held and interrogated for 10 days. We got the plane back three months later, in parts, after it had been disassembled and studied by the Chinese.
The plane’s release came only after we paid “restitution” to the Chinese for feeding and housing our personnel and for its expenses in dismantling our plane. We also sent a letter to the Chinese foreign minister, expressing American sorrow at the death of a Chinese pilot in the incident and for the fact that “the entering of China’s airspace and the landing did not have verbal clearance.” President Bush even sent a condolence letter to the widow of the dead Chinese pilot.
By the standards expressed on that Iowa stage last night, President Bush’s handling of that affair went well beyond “pretty please” or “extraordinarily weak or timid.” It was downright craven, and heaven knows how the macho chest-beaters on the right would respond if the same thing occurred under Obama. Yet a decade later, the Hainan Island incident remains just that, an incident that is largely forgotten.
Yes, the Republican candidates were playing to an audience last night. They were pandering to its worst instincts. But it is a sad state of affairs when would-be leaders can’t or won’t engage voters in at least a somewhat adult conversation about such matters. I suspect audiences in other countries were even more appalled by the nonsense they heard last night.
– Jay Bookman
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Hmmmmmmmmm
December 16th, 2011
10:35 am
keep up the good fight,
But then we would have NO candidates on the left to qualify…. Good idea though…
Welcome to the Occupation
December 16th, 2011
10:35 am
Jm: “Obama is a 1%er too, btw”
That’s true.
How many people can draw adoring crowds in Berlin or Cairo without speaking a word in those countries’ languages, not to mention not really having anything really profound to offer the people of those countries other than vague new age bromides. There’s something a little sad about how easily this figure has been able to play the role of international political rock star even while showing that he loathes and despises politics with every fiber of his being.
JAMES
December 16th, 2011
10:36 am
All drones and jets should have a suicide app. or whatever you want to call it and it should have been destroyed remotely.
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
December 16th, 2011
10:36 am
Real Americans want EVERY American citizen (excluding those that are now not eligible) to be involved in the electoral process.
American fascists want to start eliminating people by group, class, etc, just like their racist daddies did…
Own it bigots. You’ve worked hard to get this reputation…
godless heathen
December 16th, 2011
10:36 am
Never said what, get?
Mary Elizabeth
December 16th, 2011
10:37 am
Hmmmmmmm@10:04
Thank you for your kind words in my behalf. I have posted the following on this blog on July 27 and again on Nov. 9 of this year, regarding the spending and the huge deficit America now has. I will post it again for you and any others, who may be interested, to analyze.
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“On the Chris Matthews’ Show on July 27, 2011, Bruce Bartlett, George H. W. Bush’s Deputy Treasurer, gave this chart in accounting for the U.S.’s 14 Trillion Dollar Deficit:
2.0 Trillion due to the Recession
1.4 Trillion due to Obama Policies
4.0 Trillion due to George W. Bush’s Policies (unpaid for wars and drug entitlement program)
3.0 Trillion due to Bush Tax Cuts
3.6 Trillion due to Social Programs
Total = 14 trillion (of which half, or 7 trillion dollars, said Bartlett, were directly related to George Bush’s tax cuts and policies.)
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I will, also, restate what Paul Krugman had written on 2/22/10 paraphrased: The Republican Party has deliberately run up the deficit as a “bait and switch” plan – with their real purpose to cut entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare.
President Obama inherited a “mess,” to be quite blunt. He has steadily made our situation, both domestically and internationally, better. His overall foreign policy plan is to win genuine allies throughout the world, thereby having the real strength of being able to isolate from the world those mavericks, such as Iran’s government, which does not play by the rules of the majority of nations. Moreover, he is aware of the growing egalitarian consciousness in people throughout the world, including in the average citizens in Iran, itself. Iran, like other Arab dictatorial regimes, may fall from within,as a result of this growing consciousness and movement.
I mean no insult to you, especially after you have been so kind to me, but I suspect that you are listening to FoxNEWS and/or Rush Limbaugh too often. Please, if this is true, turn your TV dial to MSNBC for another perspective in the evenings. I realize it leans Left, but I recommend doing so, just to give you another perspective.
Jm
December 16th, 2011
10:37 am
Peadawg
Ask Jay. He doesn’t think so, unless he’s flip flopped since his post a few weeks ago after the supposed exemption was already in place.
Take it up with jay. But he’s gone silent on the issue. For now anyway. Could be the Sunday column.
getalife
December 16th, 2011
10:38 am
The gop will vote for 662 billion more for war and not one con said that is too much.
cons,
Your party punked you on spending and the tea party are irrelevant.
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
10:38 am
Hey, getalife, do you still thing the drone is fake like you did yesterday? Or are you going to man up, apologize for your stupidity, and admit you were wrong.
ty webb
December 16th, 2011
10:38 am
Welcome to the occupation,
tread lightly, you’re sounding closer and closer like a “racist”…you’ve been warned.
getalife
December 16th, 2011
10:39 am
godlees,
I crushed you.
Get over it.
GM
December 16th, 2011
10:39 am
godless heathen
I know, tell me what part is a lie? truth always hurt
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
10:39 am
“Ask Jay. He doesn’t think so” – And just b/c Jay says so makes it true? I didn’t know you followed Jay so blindly. Use google, son. Every story I read yesterday says the bill has a provision that says US citizens are exempt.
Paul
December 16th, 2011
10:40 am
showing humility
“Was he not a American that attack Ft. Hood ?”
Irrelevant. Your comment was “Hey two face Mitt: 22 of 27 world top terroist are dead under Obama, his record speaks for itself, no attacks on America soil,”
If you want to move goalposts (or clarify?), a more relevant question would be “Is Ft Hood on American soil?”
Merely pointing out the danger of speaking in absolutes when one engages in heated political rhetoric.
Jm
December 16th, 2011
10:40 am
Getalife was claiming all night long the drone was propaganda and fake
Getalife. Getsomecred
Mary Elizabeth
December 16th, 2011
10:41 am
That should have been: “mavericks. . . which do (not does) not play by the rules of the majority of nations.”
Normal
December 16th, 2011
10:42 am
I see jm has learned today’s talking points from the right…
getalife
December 16th, 2011
10:42 am
Pea,
Well show me the drone video for proof.
The drone operator, commanding officers and the WH have seen it and know the truth.
I am from the show me state after all the government lies.
Don’t trust and always verify.
Paul
December 16th, 2011
10:42 am
Jay
Found a complete replay of the debate here
http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/
The questioning began with Ron Paul (if we had definite intel Iran had a nuke, would you still do away with sanctions, etc) and from there morphed into the drone situation. I did not see any ‘at time of downing” or ” now that that have it” distinctions. It all ran together in a cheerleading muddle.
GM
December 16th, 2011
10:43 am
JM
Same poll that said Obama was not going to win 08, I guess when you ask the same people that voted for MCcain and Palin, the numbers would be higher for not approve of his job””’
jconservative
December 16th, 2011
10:43 am
Nice column Jay.
You left out Eisenhower’s U 2 spy plane.
You also left out Reagan sticking his tail between his tail and crawling out of Lebanon after 280 Marines were killed.
PMC
December 16th, 2011
10:43 am
Jay there’s a pretty good parallel if you want to compare between GW Bush’s handling of a “spy” plane disagreement with China in 2000 I believe.
Obama’s response wasn’t perhaps as forceful, but it may have been more rational in this instance.
I for one am not under the inclination that the Iranians will gleam much if anything from this drone. They have materials, and that’s about it.
Normal
December 16th, 2011
10:43 am
…and jm, President Obama has already admitted he is one of the 1%er’s, but that he is also willing to pay more. God, what a Socialist he is, huh?
Halftrack
December 16th, 2011
10:43 am
There is news out now that says the Drone was jammed and brought down to a landing spot as it is designed to do so in malfunctions. It also has a GPS system so they know where it is. Yes Obummer should have sent someone to blow it up. Evil must be confronted and if it is not it emboldens entities to do more evil. Liberals never understand this. They think you can say ‘pretty please give our drone back or I’m carrying my ball and bat home.
lliberalefty
December 16th, 2011
10:44 am
wow more macho bs from chickenhawk gop
Jm
December 16th, 2011
10:44 am
Peadawg 10:39
Every civil rights group the supposed protections are somewhere south of “very weak” (just call it non existent)
getalife
December 16th, 2011
10:45 am
Which side do you believe cons.
The Pentagon said the drone was destroyed or Iran said they have the drone?
Your call.
godless heathen
December 16th, 2011
10:45 am
getalife
December 15th, 2011
3:12 pm
godless,
The Pentagon said the drone was destroyed.
__________________
Noone else has able to confirm this and I asked getalife for a source and he/she has not provided one. But getalife don’t lie like cons.
Hmmmmmmmmm
December 16th, 2011
10:45 am
Mary,
You still have just stated the obvious…. Sure he inherited a mess. I would not argue that point….
He has compounded the “mess” on his watch, and you, like every other Obama supporter just wants to turn their heads and rationalize his short comings…
BTW, I don’t listen to the Fox drivel. MSNBC, is just another Fox with an equally warped agenda… My perspective is my personal due diligence. My personal research is done based on verifiable information… You would do yourself a service to turn OFF the TV, and research for yourself… This again is just IMHO… Your opinion is obviously different…
Steve
December 16th, 2011
10:45 am
Merry Christmas to All!! God Bless!!
I am going to pray to God (the Almighty Father) for Obama, Barney Frank, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Matt Damon, Sean Penn, David Axelrod, and Jay Bookman as they have lost their way in the world.
God Bless to All. Amen.
getalife
December 16th, 2011
10:46 am
Pea, godleess.
Which side do you believe?
Jm
December 16th, 2011
10:47 am
The risk is not the Iranians getting the drone tech
They will sell it to china
China is a big and real threat
ragnar danneskjold
December 16th, 2011
10:48 am
To the sychophants – or should that be sicko-fants – of the democrat party, I suppose any politician who fails to make world-wide apology tours and fails to appease the dictators of Russia and Venezuela sounds war-happy. One should always assume democrats will not put America first.
getalife
December 16th, 2011
10:48 am
godless,
The Pentagon’s story was on CNN.
Which side do you believe?
Pick a side or shut up.
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
10:49 am
“Show me the video”
“I am from the show me state after all the government lies.”
You’re sounding as crazy as the birthers, getalife. Can we call you a “droner”?
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
December 16th, 2011
10:49 am
The more insane and suicidal the neo-cons become, the more fiercely proud they are of being so.
It appears that Bush/Cheney ruined the GOP for at least a generation.
And the rest of the country for a decade or more…
getalife
December 16th, 2011
10:50 am
Pea,
So you believe Iran’s story?
Jay
December 16th, 2011
10:50 am
Paul, it may be 40 years, if then, before we learn the actual truth of how this went down. I don’t buy the official versions from either side.
Hmmmmmmmmm
December 16th, 2011
10:50 am
Steve,
You run the risk of being labeled a NARROW minded christian…. But I agree, we need to pray, this is really our only hope…
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
10:50 am
“The Pentagon said the drone was destroyed” – Link please?
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
10:51 am
“Pea,
So you believe Iran’s story?”
Do you have a link to where the Pentagon said it was destroyed? I haven’t been able to find one.
HoyaLawya
December 16th, 2011
10:51 am
Of course they all want to goad Obama into doing something foolish. That would (as you pointed out, Jay) send the economy into a tailspin, put us at odds with the international community, and get us into another ill-advised, foolish Middle Eastern war. What better way to insure Obama is not re-elected? C’mon, you know that is the Republicans ONLY goal, right?! They have to destroy the US in order to save it from that evil socialistic Kenyan…
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
10:52 am
getalife, the droner…points and laughs again
getalife
December 16th, 2011
10:53 am
Thank you Jay.
Knowing there is a covert war in full mode, propaganda is too much on this one.
I don’t buy anything the Pentagon or Iran will say until this covert war is over.
Great time to be in the CIA if you like action.
St Simons - we're on Island time
December 16th, 2011
10:53 am
Thinking of my friends in civilized countries,
this is beginning to just be embarrassing at this point.
This is starting to look like when the drunk uncle shows up at the
family reunion and knocks over tables and farts in the microphone, etc
godless heathen
December 16th, 2011
10:54 am
getalife,
I can’t find it anywhere on the www.
You seem to have been the only one watching CNN when the report aired, but that’s not hard to believe when you look at their ratings.
Erwin's cat
December 16th, 2011
10:54 am
Jay – “Paul, it may be 40 years, if then, before we learn the actual truth of how this went down. I don’t buy the official versions from either side.”
—————————————————————-
completely agree….
DawgDad
December 16th, 2011
10:54 am
“Romney, it turns out, is also in the “destroy it or go get it” camp”
Jay, what precisely led you to this conclusion? Romney said NOTHING of the sort.
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
10:54 am
I found this link of the WP:
“An American official briefed on the probe said the United States obtained imagery of the downed aircraft showing that its frame was still in one piece. Asked whether that means the aircraft was in tact, the official said, “It depends on how you define that.” Even if the frame was still together, the official said, many of its components are likely to have been destroyed “when something hits the ground that hard.””
I still don’t see any proof, droner.
getalife
December 16th, 2011
10:54 am
Pea,
CNN.
godless heathen
December 16th, 2011
10:55 am
“getalife, the droner”
LOL!
Paul
December 16th, 2011
10:55 am
Jay
“I don’t buy the official versions from either side.”
Agree. As I wrote yesterday, too much just doesn’t pass the common-sense test.
But people do love to speculate and put it out as fact, here and elsewhere, don’t they?
Jm
December 16th, 2011
10:55 am
The republican goal is not to defeat Obama, it is to improve FOX ratings
Thought I’d throw a bone to the liberals. Here ya go….
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
10:55 am
“Pea,
CNN.”
Link please. And nothing that includes the word “likely”. Droner.
Jay
December 16th, 2011
10:56 am
Yes, Dawgdad, he did:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fcenXRFkAoM#!
Jm
December 16th, 2011
10:57 am
Droners are as dumb as birthers
Both probably equally armed and dangerous
getalife
December 16th, 2011
10:57 am
You don’t have the guts to pick a side so ‘I will include none of the above.
Do you believe:
Iran.
Pentagon.
Or none of the above.
Mary Elizabeth
December 16th, 2011
10:57 am
Hmmmmmmm@10:45
I did not simply say Obama inherited a “mess.” I gave you a well defined chart of expenditures to account for the 14 trillion dollar debt. You, in your post, however, gave nothing of substance in refute of that data. If you have “verfiable” data then give it, please, regarding the now 15 trillion dollar debt.
I watch and listen to many programs including FOXNews and Rush Limbaugh, the New York Times, Mother Jones, Paul Krugman, and I read many books and articles. I also reflect upon a wealth of personal experiences, all from which I base my conclusions. I simply suggested MSNBC to you, and any other hardline conservative as an antidote to the blatant propaganda that has been fed to Americans on FoxNEWS for almost two decades.
Ares
December 16th, 2011
10:59 am
There is an enemy cultivating out there.
“An Islamist majority in Egypt’s new parliament – 37 percent for the Muslim Brotherhood and 24 percent for the ultra-radical Islamist Nour (“Light”) party – is now a given. The radicals, known as Salafists, want to turn the clock back to the behavior of the first Muslim converts. They are violent, demand a ban on alcohol (which would kill the tourist industry, or 15 percent of the economy), and a dress code for women that makes them look like ambulatory tents.
Salafism is the key religious ingredient in jihadism. In normally moderate Tunisia, the Salafi message is circulating freely, unimpeded by now dismantled censorship.”
- DeBorgraves
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
10:59 am
“Do you believe:
Iran.
Pentagon.
Or none of the above.”
Iran says they have it. Pentagon says it was LIKELY destroyed but doesn’t for sure. The droner is saying is was destroyed for sure but no link to back it up. Not sure who to believe.
stands for decibels
December 16th, 2011
10:59 am
““gop party” is redundant is redundant.” – LOL yeah like “ATM machine” and “PIN number”
And no forgetta the “Pizza Pie.”
godless heathen
December 16th, 2011
11:00 am
Believe what, droner? You can’t produce this super-secret Pentagon report that only you saw so we can judge if we believe it or not.
PMC
December 16th, 2011
11:00 am
nevermind, sorry. I see that you have it in there, I had not read that far yet.
getalife
December 16th, 2011
11:00 am
Come on droners.
Choose.
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
December 16th, 2011
11:01 am
getalife, to your point at 10:53, there was a post a few weeks back that was pretty interesting (even though it was obviously written by a die-hard Republican) but it had one of the most bizarre premises I’ve ever read.
Essentially the write said that the reason things have gone so badly regarding American foreign policy over the past decade or so was because we failed to believe the Pentagon.
Hello???!!!
I’m not sure how old that writer was, but this American came of age under the likes of Johnson/Nixon.
And if there was overriding theme throughout that disastrous era, it was that nobody in their right mind believed anything that that the US government – especially the Pentagon – said.
And in all the years since, endless examples, including the horrific Tillman debacle, have only confirmed that my suspicions as a teenager were correct…
Mick
December 16th, 2011
11:01 am
mary elizabeth
You have too much common sense sweetheart, it possibly makes the ignorant minds at work here….implode! Keep on trucking…
getalife
December 16th, 2011
11:01 am
Pea chooses Iran.
Your turn godless.
PMC
December 16th, 2011
11:02 am
All this said, your first problem was probably watching a presidential debate in general.
thanks Mitt
December 16th, 2011
11:02 am
new navy
new missiles
more spending
we are going to run our economy into the ground just to push around a few middle eastern despots? lord help us.
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
11:02 am
“Come on droners.
Choose”
You still haven’t provided us w/ your super secret link that only you know of. Back up your claim, droner.
Jm
December 16th, 2011
11:02 am
Droner is repetitive. On and on. But no intel.
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
11:04 am
“Pea chooses Iran.”
Really? Where did I say that?
I’m starting to see a pattern of avoidance here, getadrone. Got link?
godless heathen
December 16th, 2011
11:05 am
And since Dear Ruler asked the Iranians for the drone back (a report that aired on the TV networks that the rest of us watch) instead of denying it existed, I tend to think that the Iranians do in fact, have the dang thing. While I haven’t seen the thing with my own eyes, the entire rest of the intelligent world seems to believe that they have it, so I suspect that do.
But getalife don’t lie like cons.
getalife
December 16th, 2011
11:06 am
AmVet,
Have not heard that one.
Believe the Pentagon after Vietnam?
Seriously?
The funny thing about cons is they will believe just about everything they are told or read.
Paul
December 16th, 2011
11:06 am
Jay
at 00:36 Romney said “destroy it immediately.”
I interpret that to mean as soon as it went down, not after capture by Iranians, which is an entirely different situation.
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
11:06 am
getadrone has changed his story from “it’s fake” to “it’s destroyed” with no proof to back up either. Too funny.
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
December 16th, 2011
11:06 am
the entire rest of the intelligent world seems to believe that they have it, so I suspect that do.
Yep, that convinces me too, godless.
It’s stored in the building right next to the yellow cake uranium…
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
11:07 am
“The funny thing about cons is they will believe just about everything they are told or read.”
Kind of like that super secret link you read that said is was destroyed? The one that only you know of?
Mick
December 16th, 2011
11:08 am
Is this drone episode kind of being blown out of proportion? I think our military just might have been smart enough to have a contingency plan in case of an accident like this. There is probably no technology on that drone that can’t be had on the internets…
Hmmmmmmmmm
December 16th, 2011
11:08 am
Mary,
I’m not here to refute any of your data… Your kinda like my daughter, very young and idealistic… Naive is an understatement, but I don’t mean that as an insult… You like many others are lost in a sea of ideology.. It would be great if life were this simple… Here is hoping everyone has a Merry Christmas..
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
11:09 am
Oh geeze…AmVet’s a droner too.
What did the droner say to the birther? Who cares…they’re both idiots.
DawgDad
December 16th, 2011
11:09 am
Jay: Thanks for that link. Hadn’t seen that.
Yeah, talk is cheap, especially in a campaign, but I will say this to the people who seem to think destroying the drone would be “cowboy” or an act of war: If you make the decision to fly the drone in the first place you have to be willing to accept the risks and be prepared to deal with the down side. As it stands, it is quite fair (essential even) to question if the Administration was adequately prepared. If they weren’t, someone isn’t doing their job.
Jm
December 16th, 2011
11:09 am
Yellowcake
I prefer red velvet. I’m a con of course
The competent Granny Godzilla
December 16th, 2011
11:09 am
God Bless George W. Bush and hopefull the United States of America will FINALLY get a President who actually understands the economy……Go NEWT!!!!!! This country has had enough “CHANGE”
godless heathen
December 16th, 2011
11:09 am
Uh oh,
So AmVet, did you see on CNN that the Iranians don’t have a US drone, too? Or does the TV there at the home not get CNN?
Mick
December 16th, 2011
11:10 am
**What did the droner say to the birther? Who cares**
Good one…
getalife
December 16th, 2011
11:10 am
Paul,
I doubt willard has been briefed on the mission so they are flying blind and have no clue.
Erwin's cat
December 16th, 2011
11:11 am
wow…how did I end up in the Jay-getalife-AmVet camp today? Never saw that comin’
taters are done…gotta go for now
godless heathen
December 16th, 2011
11:11 am
Mick,
“There is probably no technology on that drone that can’t be had on the internets…”
Sure. Ask them if you can go look at one.
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
11:11 am
Still no link from getalife to back up his “it’s fake” or “it’s destroyed” claims.
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
December 16th, 2011
11:12 am
I know it is damn near impossible for you UGA types, but pea, please don’t be an idiot in public.
I’ve taken no position of the matter.
I leave it up to you know-it-alls to not only enlighten the rest of us, but to speak for us as well…
Normal
December 16th, 2011
11:12 am
The competent Granny Godzilla
December 16th, 2011
11:09 am
What a hoot!
Secretary of de Fence, Cain
December 16th, 2011
11:13 am
I think it would be helpful if you included more information when speaking of Iran. For instance, “I ran to work this morning” or “I ran in the Peachtree Road Race.”
getalife
December 16th, 2011
11:13 am
Pea,
Again CNN.
Google it
The competent Granny Godzilla
December 16th, 2011
11:13 am
God Bless George W. Bush and hopefull the United States of America will FINALLY get a President who actually understands the economy……Go NEWT!!!! This country has had enough “CHANGE”
Mick
December 16th, 2011
11:14 am
godless
Just pure conjecture, not intended to be factual. At least I can be honest about my opining…
Secretary of de Fence, Cain
December 16th, 2011
11:14 am
Still no link from getalife to back up his “it’s fake” or “it’s destroyed” claims.
Some links are like fences, there one minute and broke the next.
Peadawg
December 16th, 2011
11:15 am
“Pea,
Again CNN.
Google it”
I’m not doing your homework for you, getadrone. YOU make the claim. YOU back it up with that superdy duper secret link that only you’ve seen that says the drone is destroyed.
Mick
December 16th, 2011
11:15 am
secretary
How’s about, I ran from iran?
getalife
December 16th, 2011
11:15 am
I want to see the drone’s birth certificate.
That drone is a Muslim, Socialist, Kenyan and made in Africa.