GOP candidates tout war-happy, shoot-first approach

I didn’t watch all of last night’s GOP debate, but I did see an extended section on foreign policy. It was a horror show in which the candidates competed to show their disdain for and disinterest in the rest of the world, as well as their avid eagerness to use military power to solve problems. They seemed to think that those two traits ought to define America’s approach to the rest of the world, and the audience loved them for it.

Ron Paul was the only one who demonstrated a lick of sense or restraint.

Rick Perry, for example, repeated a refrain from the previous debate by insisting that President Obama had just two options after a U.S. spy plane drone was brought down over Iran and captured: Go into Iran and take it back, or or send missiles to destroy it on the ground, as if the Iranians have it sitting out on some airfield with red arrows helpfully pointing toward it.

The foolishness of that approach is self-evident, but I expect no better from the half-informed cowboy governor. I did expect better from Mitt Romney, but instead what we got was as bad or worse. Moderator Bret Baier noted that Romney had earlier called Obama’s response to the drone capture “extraordinarily weak and timid,” and asked Romney whether this weakness had invited war.

For those who can’t watch the video, here’s how it went:

“Absolutely. Does timidity and weakness invite aggression on the part of other people? Absolutely. A strong America is the best ally peace has ever known. This is a president that …. a spy drone downed over Iran and he says ‘pretty please?’” Foreign policy based on `pretty please?’ You have to be kidding.”

Romney, it turns out, is also in the “destroy it or go get it” camp, as if it were possible for the U.S. military to put together a crash rescue mission into the heart of Iran and fly the drone out of there. It’s a scenario that would be ridiculous in a Hollywood movie.

In addition, let’s also note that President Obama did not ask Osama bin Laden, “May I kill you, pretty please?” Nor has he taken that approach with the scores of other members of al Qaida and Taliban leadership targeted in Pakistan or Yemen. Romney’s charge that Obama has been weak or timid in his use of force when necessary is ridiculous on its face.

In this particular instance, our spy drone was violating Iranian airspace. Don’t get me wrong — I’m glad we’re keeping a close eye on things there. But its presence in violation of international law doesn’t exactly put us in a strong position to be outraged. Sending troops to retrieve it or trying to destroy it would escalate the matter into a major confrontation, with war a likely outcome. The price of oil would likely double or triple, the economy would go into a tailspin and the Middle East would erupt. Yet every candidate up there — again with the sane exception of Ron Paul — seemed to think that would be just grand.

Let’s review how a similar but much more important situation played out:

In April of 2001, a U.S. spy plane with 24 American military personnel aboard was forced down on Chinese soil after a collision with a Chinese jet. The Chinese refused to release either the plane or the personnel. The 24 Americans were held and interrogated for 10 days. We got the plane back three months later, in parts, after it had been disassembled and studied by the Chinese.

The plane’s release came only after we paid “restitution” to the Chinese for feeding and housing our personnel and for its expenses in dismantling our plane. We also sent a letter to the Chinese foreign minister, expressing American sorrow at the death of a Chinese pilot in the incident and for the fact that “the entering of China’s airspace and the landing did not have verbal clearance.” President Bush even sent a condolence letter to the widow of the dead Chinese pilot.

By the standards expressed on that Iowa stage last night, President Bush’s handling of that affair went well beyond “pretty please” or “extraordinarily weak or timid.” It was downright craven, and heaven knows how the macho chest-beaters on the right would respond if the same thing occurred under Obama. Yet a decade later, the Hainan Island incident remains just that, an incident that is largely forgotten.

Yes, the Republican candidates were playing to an audience last night. They were pandering to its worst instincts. But it is a sad state of affairs when would-be leaders can’t or won’t engage voters in at least a somewhat adult conversation about such matters. I suspect audiences in other countries were even more appalled by the nonsense they heard last night.

– Jay Bookman

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Guy Incognito

December 16th, 2011
8:34 am

“I suspect audiences in other countries were even more appalled by the nonsense they heard last night.”

The Zambians were outraged I tells ya

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 16th, 2011
8:36 am

Bush was an apologist!

carlosgvv

December 16th, 2011
8:37 am

Most sensible people in America realize we are not God’s gift to the world. It is not our job to be the world’s police force, charging into countries whose Govt’s we don’t like with intent to change them. Also, we are not so made out of money that we can afford all these military ventures. Unfortunately, Republican Tea Party voters feel otherwise and, in response, Romney, Perry and others indulge them by spouting nonsense about our “timidity and weakness” This kind of thinking got us into Iraq and Afghanistan and, if Perry, Romney, Gingrich or Bachmann are elected, will propel us into more costly military adventures. So, the question is – are there enough sensible voters in American to ensure we don’t get one of these looneys for President?

Guy Incognito

December 16th, 2011
8:38 am

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Merry Christmas!!!!!!!!

BlahBlahBlah

December 16th, 2011
8:39 am

I hope Ron Paul runs as an independent in 2012. Obama/Romney/Gingrich are all pathetic.

vahiguy

December 16th, 2011
8:39 am

“Ron Paul was the only one who demonstrated a lick of sense or restraint.”

It’s scary ’cause it’s true.

Peadawg

December 16th, 2011
8:41 am

But…but…but that drone is fake! Fake I tell you!

:lol: Points and laughs as getalife :lol:

ty webb

December 16th, 2011
8:41 am

so Bush wasn’t a “war mongering cowboy”…another “meme” crushed here at Bookman’s place.

bleary

December 16th, 2011
8:42 am

Jay, your comparison of the drone situation to the US spy plane capture by the Chinese during the Bush administration is a good one. Too bad more people don’t view situations like this in the larger context of history.

Jay

December 16th, 2011
8:44 am

“The Zambians were outraged I tells ya.”

I hear the Uzbeki-beki-beki-beki-beki-stanis were REALLY put out.

stands for decibels

December 16th, 2011
8:44 am

Mitt is an ass.

USMC

December 16th, 2011
8:45 am

“GOP candidates tout war-happy, shoot-first approach”–Jay Bookman

Only the weakminded, like Jay, who are trained to think and speak this way would spout such ridiculous nonsense and DISHONESTLY portray the headline.

Jay is still mad at Newt for failing him in History 101 at Kennesaw State back in the 1990’s.

Jay Bookman is full of Bluster! :-)

Jm

December 16th, 2011
8:46 am

Romney’s right. Peace through strength.

Mick 8:10 true to form. Bring the hate. You hit the ball squarely.

Normal

December 16th, 2011
8:46 am

This what happens when our “Leaders” had “Other Priorities” instead of military service. Having never seen the “Beast” of war, they probably look at it as playing a video game.

ByteMe

December 16th, 2011
8:46 am

so Bush wasn’t a “war mongering cowboy”…

that was April 2001, ty, before he grew a twisted pair of “Cheneys”.

ty webb

December 16th, 2011
8:46 am

I think this is one of those instances where you throw a little red meat out to the audience, and then if you’re elected, you pray like hell that nothing like this comes up.

Jay

December 16th, 2011
8:47 am

So USMC, your approach to the drone problem would be …?

Normal

December 16th, 2011
8:48 am

Let the GOP send their sons and daughters this time. Or stand themselves. Let’s talk war then.
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Actually, this is probably their “Jobs Plan”.

Jm

December 16th, 2011
8:48 am

Hainan was embarrassing

Finn McCool

December 16th, 2011
8:48 am

Play to the base.

Peadawg

December 16th, 2011
8:49 am

“But it is a sad state of affairs when would-be leaders can’t or won’t engage voters in at least a somewhat adult conversation about such matters.”

That’s how partisan politics go…sad, I agree.

Jm

December 16th, 2011
8:50 am

“mitt is an ass”

The republican macot is an elephant silly. Democrats are the asses. Get your politics straight.

Adam

December 16th, 2011
8:51 am

This is my shock and awe face :|

(For me, saying this never gets old)

Mick

December 16th, 2011
8:51 am

The republican field has learned nothing from this past decade of lost blood and treasure. Ron paul was truly the only sensible man on that stage concerning foreign policy.

jm

Yeah right mr. deficit reduction day in and day out. Romney wants to increase military spending? I thought we were broke?????

godless heathen

December 16th, 2011
8:52 am

Jay, you need to correct your post above. There was no drone brought down over Iran. They don’t have one, never happened, according to a frequent blogger here.

Jm

December 16th, 2011
8:53 am

This is silly. If drone could have been located, drop small ordinance on it assuming tue technology was seriously worth protecting.

If the drone was not locatable, well then you’re out of luck.

Next issue.

Normal

December 16th, 2011
8:54 am

As to that drone thing, get real. We won’t get it back. The Irani’s won’t be able to use it. If it hasn’t happened already the Manufacturers will sell them to other countries because the Almighty Dollar is king and corporations will not even consider national security when there is a profit to be made. The Iranian Drone Massacre is laughable and only good for trying to score political points. Get real, people.

Jay

December 16th, 2011
8:55 am

Let’s put it out there: Those who defend this kind of talk, do you really believe we ought to assemble a task force to go into Iran and retrieve that drone by force?

Or is this all just macho bluster and posturing with no intent to back it up?

ty webb

December 16th, 2011
8:56 am

The drone was “lost” on purpose…We infected it with herpes, and we’ll soon pass Valtrex sanctions on Iran…That’ll show’em.

Adam

December 16th, 2011
8:57 am

Bumper Sticker: “Mitt Romney: He’s been consistent since he changed his mind.”

Granny Godzilla

December 16th, 2011
8:59 am

Yippee ki yay!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 16th, 2011
9:00 am

Adam, you can also try: New Romney; With 50% more consistency! :D

Jm

December 16th, 2011
9:00 am

Mick
I’m for less military spending

All budget forecasts by the military and CBO anticipate less future military spending

Citizen of the World

December 16th, 2011
9:01 am

On the eve of bringing our troops home from Iraq, these Republican candidates for Commander in Chief talk big and bad about using military force to embroil us in yet another conflict.

Maybe they only calculate the cost of war in what we’re robbing from our grandchildren to pay, and not in lives lost or forever altered — the dead, the wounded, the maimed and disfigured, the mentally and physically disabled — here at home and in the war zone. Why would anyone, especially anyone with a child or grandchild, ever vote for one of these shortsighted, impulsive cowboys?

Who was it said speak softly and carry a big stick? Teddy Roosevelt, I think. Well, we have a big stick, but we don’t want to use it because the cost is too great. Unfortunately, when you don’t speak softly, you’re more likely to have to use it.

Granny Godzilla

December 16th, 2011
9:02 am

All the brave little Buckaroos….

lovelyliz

December 16th, 2011
9:02 am

This veteran asks doesn’t somebody have to keep the tax-payer funded gravy train rolling for those politically connected, private defense contractors?

ty webb

December 16th, 2011
9:03 am

Jay,
it was pretty much bluster. President Obama, while being truthful, in answering the question with(to paraphrase)”we’ve asked for it back”, opened himself up for criticism from the “Right”. He probably should have been a little more vague in his answer…that being said, there’s not much we can do about it, and the GOP candidates know that…It’s all politics.

Jm

December 16th, 2011
9:03 am

Jay 8:55 shadow boxing?

No one so far is defending talk of sending in a force.

Ayn Rant

December 16th, 2011
9:03 am

We’re finally ending the war in Iraq. That war was a massive strategic blunder based on lies and ignorance, mostly Republican. The victor is Iran. The new “democratic” Shiite Iraq is a conduit for Iranian arms and influence flowing south to destabilize the Arab countries and Israel.

The Republican candidates think that, in view of our nation-building successes in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, we should now initiate a war with Iran over our downed spy drone.

The Republican candidates are as naive about foreign affairs as they are blind to domestic needs. A Republican administration after the 2012 elections would complete the transformation of the US to a failing economic power with big rockets and a predilection for blundering and stumbling.

(ir)Rational

December 16th, 2011
9:03 am

Adam – I like that. That is a great slogan. You get them printed, and I’ll put one on my car.

Normal – Believe it or not, they won’t be sold over seas unless the government allows them to be. Certain technologies we allow foreigners to come in and work with us on and others we keep all to ourselves. Any wonders why the F-35 was considered a better investment/more financially sound investment than the F-22 was? I don’t know this for sure, but I’m guessing it had something to do with the number of partners we had working with us on the F-35 as compared to the F-22 where we were building/developing it all ourselves.

AmVet - Make America safe. Deport a neo-con.

December 16th, 2011
9:03 am

The Republican Party of today is nothing less than sickening.

Hypocritical and deadly cowards, almost to a man.

What I call faketriots.

And this example is just one in a long list of them that demonstrates that the well-coiffed empty suit from Massachusetts will say anything to suck up to the morons that predominate that organization at every level, from Washington to Atlanta to Acworth.

And I expected no better from the rest of those gutless armchair warriors and Bush/Cheney ass kissers on that stage who pander to the depraved and violence-addicted in the GOP’s 101st Chairborne.

ONE MORE TIME I will write this; this nation can NEVER again trust these incompetent fools with the lives of our children.

Mary Elizabeth

December 16th, 2011
9:04 am

Gov. Romney is politically astute to say that he wants America to lead the world in the 21st century. But he has the wrong ideas on how America should lead. And he has wrong ideas about what real strength is. Other nations are watching America’s choices. Many world citizens are wiser than some Americans. The world is evolving in its ideas of strength, but Republicans, including Mitt Romney, are stuck in ideas of the past regarding strength. The bully approach is not smart or effective in today’s world, on many levels. “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” MLK

I will say, again, that President Obama has authentic inner strength; his vision is evolved and he is leading America in the right direction. Elect Gov. Romney as president and you will elect a weak leader, regardless of what he says.

(ir)Rational

December 16th, 2011
9:05 am

Ayn Rant – Not really responding to any other part of your post besides the beginning. So ONLY (well, to use your words mostly) the republicans voted for/made a case for going into Iraq and Afghanistan? And what about Vietnam (since you brought it up), I wasn’t aware the JFK or LBJ were republicans.

Misty Fyed

December 16th, 2011
9:06 am

It’s way too late to militarily retrieve the drone. If there was weakness, it was in not destroying it when we initially lost it.

The pilots on the crew who landed that plane in China should have been tried for treason. They were supposed to destroy our secret stuff and ditch at sea. Instead, they put a bow on it and gave it to the chicoms.

Grasshopper

December 16th, 2011
9:06 am

Let Jimmy Carter assemble a force to get the drone back; he’s good at that sort of thing.

Jay

December 16th, 2011
9:07 am

So if it’s just bluster and macho posturing with nothing to back it up, who is being weak and timid here?

The guy who tells it like it is, or the ones making claims that they know they will never dare back up with action?

Jm

December 16th, 2011
9:07 am

Amvet
Anger management buddy. Anger management…..

Patrick

December 16th, 2011
9:08 am

Not only were the candidates (again, Ron Paul excepted) eager to have some sort of military intervention over the drone issue, they were chomping at the bit to start proactively “bombing Iran” to prevent them from gaining nuclear capability. Over and over again, they kept coming back to this conclusion even though Ron Paul kept pointing out that this was a horrible idea and that any thought of rushing into another war was ridiculous. It was startling that none of the frontrunners seem to have learned anything from the last ten years of war(s).

JV

December 16th, 2011
9:08 am

Ron Paul was also an active duty Air Force officer and flight surgeon and then served in the reserves.

Jm

December 16th, 2011
9:09 am

Reuters headline: Russia says seized radioactive material en route to Iran

Just fyi

n

December 16th, 2011
9:11 am

I wish it was just macho bluster. These folks are brittle, scary personalities. I think they are capable of anything. A Dr. Strangelove scenario is entirely possible with any of them.

Jm

December 16th, 2011
9:11 am

Jay 9:07
You might theoretically be the Ron Paul for democrats. Run. Be super honest. And poll in the high single digits if you’re lucky.

Buy don’t compare being honest on the sidelines to fair play standards on the field.

Newtpewt

December 16th, 2011
9:12 am

If we’re gonna bomb Iran, let’s put all these GOP candidates in a capsule, except Ron Paul, and drop them into Tehran.

(ir)Rational

December 16th, 2011
9:12 am

Jay – Who are we to say it is for sure all bluster? I’m not for the idea personally, although I wouldn’t mind seeing a regime change in Iran, but that is their business not mine, but who are we to say what they would do if faced with the situation? None of us could really know what we would do unless we had all the facts, all the evidence, and the responsibility to actually make the decision. I know many of you here, myself included would like to think you know what you would do when faced with this situation, but since there is a very slim chance that none of us ever will be faced with this situation, where we have to make the decision ourselves, we can only speculate. Obama campaigned on shutting down Gitmo (which was obviously playing to his base), he gets into office and gets more information that obviously made him change his mind. Right now, they’re playing to their base and talking about going in and getting something of high value (but really, how high of value is it? we can’t really know) back that was lost/taken from us. When/if they were elected, and they got into office, they would quite possibly get more information that would cause them to change their minds.

barking frog

December 16th, 2011
9:13 am

Many things said in the heat of a campaign are not meant to
be post election policy statements.

Call it like it is

December 16th, 2011
9:14 am

I will bite Jay, yes I think that we should have done an air strike to take out the drone, but I will also say the time has passed to do it. If this drone is advance as they say, what would have caused more harm the strike to get rid of it, or the knowledge we have now freely given over to these guys? To which China and Russia will soon have. I dont know about you but that scares me more.

I dont wish for war, and I dont believe this would have been an automatic start of one as you do. When Reagan hit Libya, we didnt have war, and when Clinton struck in 94, same thing. Sometimes you do have to carry the big stick. And comparing China to to these guys is silly. Yes we have to handle China with kid gloves, Iran not so much.

Jm

December 16th, 2011
9:14 am

All that said. Sure you can criticize the level of discourse as beneath the minimum standard one would expect for a presidential race.

I seem to recall a boatload of BS from the Obama campaign too.

barking frog

December 16th, 2011
9:14 am

the drone should be forgotten. If you can’t afford to lose it, don’t send it.

Ross Perot

December 16th, 2011
9:16 am

War with Iran is most likely a reality, unless we leave Israel alone with it. Or are we going to sit by and watch Iran build nukes? Or are sanctions going to work…hah. We can’t go to war with China, they might fight back. Plus we owe them too much money.

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 16th, 2011
9:16 am

Newt + John Bolton = ground war in Iran by 2013.

joe

December 16th, 2011
9:16 am

“lick of sense”?? Obama is the only one who doesn’t know how to deal with our foreign adversaries. You don’t beg for a piece of equipment back…you take it. The world looks at Obama as weak, just like most of us here in the USA. We must vote out this clown in 2012.

Granny Godzilla

December 16th, 2011
9:16 am

“Obama campaigned on shutting down Gitmo (which was obviously playing to his base), he gets into office and gets more information that obviously made him change his mind”

Ah, nope.

Peadawg

December 16th, 2011
9:17 am

“Many things said in the heat of a campaign are not meant to be post election policy statements.”

As we know by looking back at Obama’s comments with regards to then debt/deficit.

AmVet - Make America safe. Deport a neo-con.

December 16th, 2011
9:17 am

Jm, when it comes to your heroes in Washington getting American kids by the thousands killed and by the tens of thousands horrifically maimed, all needlessly, I say the same thing I do to all of you chickenhawk lovers.

Go to hell. (Is this where I put a smiley face emoticon?)

Well it only took about a half an hour before some Einstein puked up Operation Eagle Claw.

Hang on to that one tight, meat. Ignorance is bliss…

Peadawg

December 16th, 2011
9:17 am

“Obama campaigned on shutting down Gitmo (which was obviously playing to his base), he gets into office and gets more information that obviously made him change his mind”

He didn’t change his mind. Congress denied funding I believe.

ty webb

December 16th, 2011
9:18 am

Jay,
actually, Romney didn’t “claim” to “back up” anything…He simply criticized Obama by playing off of the “obama’s weak” meme. He didn’t say how he’d go in or if he’d go in…This just in! Criticizing obama any chance you get plays well at GOP debates.

Granny Godzilla

December 16th, 2011
9:18 am

“you take it”

Ah the traditional GOP diplomatic approach

Paul

December 16th, 2011
9:18 am

Right after one of the foreign policy answers (Newt’s) I turned to Mrs. Paul and said “Testosterone always plays better.” I believe Ron Paul was the only one to not so engage.

“They were pandering to its worst instincts. But it is a sad state of affairs when would-be leaders can’t or won’t engage voters in at least a somewhat adult conversation about such matters.”

If this were a Democratic debate with an American incumbent, would the results have been any different? Particularly amongst Democrats who want to counter a charge they’re ‘weak’?

Regarding the poll: now? No way. As soon as it went down? I understand that officials immediately presented President Obama plans to destroy it, before anything was taken. Then would have been doable.

(ir)Rational

December 16th, 2011
9:19 am

Peadawg – The point remains that he wasn’t able to shut it down. And he hasn’t continued trying. At least not so publicly that I’ve seen. Also, if he couldn’t get funding when his party completely controlled both houses of Congress, that says a lot about him.

JohnnyReb

December 16th, 2011
9:20 am

Jay, you Dove.

There are considerations, for example, where did the drone crash? If in a neighborhood, a missle is not a good idea. The collateral damage and fall out would be bad. However, if collateral damage is not a factor, it is likely a single missle could home on the drone and take it out.

Paul is credible until he starts talking foreign policy. I don’t know why I am surprised you think he was the only rational person on stage. My guess is, he took himself out of possibly second place in the Iowa results.

The Left would have us wait until Iran nukes Israel and/or closes the shipping channel to do anything. When, oh when, will the Left realize you can’t talk radicals into peace. The only thing they understand is strength.

I also disagree on the opinion of the World. The majority of the world wants a strong America.

A dad

December 16th, 2011
9:20 am

First off, Iran is not China (not saying I approved W’s handling of the situation, but it’s comparing apples to watermelons). Second, re Iran, there are already contingency plans in place for what will happen when Iran obtains the ability to make a nuclear weapon. What will happen you ask? Israeal will not hesitate to inititate pre-emptive strikes to destory the facilities, missle bases, and so on. And of course, this will inflame the middle east once again, and draw in just about every other country in the world. My question is if Obama is elected, will he support Israel, or will he kow tow and be symphathetic to Islam? Let’s just call it Armageddon boys and girls.

godless heathen

December 16th, 2011
9:21 am

Drone, what drone? Set ‘em straight getalife.

But if there was one that was spying on Iran, and if it did get captured, I’m surprised it didn’t have self destruct mechanism, but that may have meant more weight than they wanted it to have.

And I don’t think there was anything that could have been done after the loss of the drone (if it had been lost) except we need to try to better in the future with keeping our toys out of enemy hands.

Maybe Sasha was flying it.

TaxPayer

December 16th, 2011
9:21 am

The GOP is always willing, it seems, to use other people’s money and children to fight wars that their backers deem must be fought in order to secure their interests. Fortunately, poor people’s children will be too busy cleaning toilets in Gingrinchville to be called on to fight the GOP’s wars in the future. Republicans will simply have to make more soldiers on their own. I suggest they invest in bottles of Viagra and maps of the Appalachian Trail. :roll:

Paul

December 16th, 2011
9:21 am

BTW, Jay

What was your assessment of the questions asked by the panel (excepting the predictable, and at times, inaccurate, Cavuto)? I thought many of the questions, particularly the opening, particularly Megan Kelly’s pressing Gingrich over disbanding courts and subpoenaing judges, should lay to rest the idea all their news people roll over for Republicans.

Jay

December 16th, 2011
9:21 am

JohnnyReb, we didn’t even know where the drone was until the Iranians said they had it. And by the time they announced it, who knew where it was?

Peadawg

December 16th, 2011
9:22 am

” The point remains that he wasn’t able to shut it down.” – Not from a lack of trying. From a lack of funding from Congress. Big difference.

Granny Godzilla

December 16th, 2011
9:22 am

“The point remains that he wasn’t able to shut it down. And he hasn’t continued trying. At least not so publicly that I’ve seen. Also, if he couldn’t get funding when his party completely controlled both houses of Congress, that says a lot about him.

vs

“Obama campaigned on shutting down Gitmo (which was obviously playing to his base), he gets into office and gets more information that obviously made him change his mind”

I like REAL maple syrup on my waffes.

Jay

December 16th, 2011
9:23 am

Ty, Romney had said earlier that he would have retrieved it or destroyed it.

Jm

December 16th, 2011
9:23 am

Amvet
“Go to hell.”

And this is what qualifies as a liberal debating point. Well done amvet. You’ve proven yourself to be an ….. Love them liberals, they sure know how to prove you wrong. :)

JohnnyReb

December 16th, 2011
9:24 am

Jay, so you have unrefutable proof we completely lost it? If that is the case, I do agree there were no options. Troops were never an option.

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 16th, 2011
9:24 am

When the Bushpigs were banging the war drum for Iraq they had to lie to the Senate and tell them Saddam had WMD enabled drones loaded on ships in the Atlantic ready to fire at the US east coast.

Don’t remember the librul media telling us that? Here is a link to a Senator’s testimony at the Congressional Record.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_cr/s012804b.html

joe

December 16th, 2011
9:24 am

“I suspect audiences in other countries were even more appalled by the nonsense they heard last night.” Does that include those in Israel?

DoubleEagle

December 16th, 2011
9:25 am

Jay

Did Newt REALLY flunk you in history 101? Honestly, did he?

Hmmmmmmmmm

December 16th, 2011
9:25 am

It still amazes me the naivety that some still have concerning Obama…. A strong inner strength… Yikes, He has been in way over his head on just about every category…. He has spent this country into utter OBLIVION… and yet there are still loonies that will vote for this character… No, he is not the only problem, but this country has been without leadership in such a LONG time… I will still say, that this imposter should be voted out of office… Our country deserves better… Period!

Mick

December 16th, 2011
9:26 am

The legacy of the iraqi misadventure will be that we gift wrapped it with our blood and treasure to iran…

ps megan kelly is hottttttttttt…

Jay

December 16th, 2011
9:27 am

No, DoubleEagle.

I attended, as a journalist, his “college course” at Kennesaw State back in the ’90s. My history degree is from Penn State, not from West Georgia College, where Newt once taught.

Jay

December 16th, 2011
9:28 am

To the “other Jay,” please repost that under a slightly different blog name, just to avoid confusion.

Thank you sir.

Jm

December 16th, 2011
9:29 am

Paul 9:21 true dat

lynnie gal

December 16th, 2011
9:29 am

I didn’t see the debate last night ’cause I can’t stomach another clown show. But this sounds about right. If any one of these ‘tards somehow manage to win next year, and house and senate go red, it’s over folks. In their craven lust for power, they’ll make sure those Diebold voting machines never register a win for a Democrat again. Advice to the sane and rational–make sure your passports are current or renewed.

williebkind

December 16th, 2011
9:29 am

I say go get the drone with our military. We can send the gay troops and show the Iranians a much sweeter nicer soldier. Then they will apologize and return the drone.

Mick

December 16th, 2011
9:29 am

jay@9:27

So what was that experience like? Enquiring minds want to know….

Jm

December 16th, 2011
9:30 am

Brett baier is good too

barking frog

December 16th, 2011
9:30 am

Jay, 9:26, I agree, but Uncle Sugar has a long memory and
Iran dethroned our Shan and held our hostages. Revenge is
inevitable. If they had tried to kill Bush I, they would already
have been obliterated.

retired early

December 16th, 2011
9:30 am

JV

“Ron Paul was also an active duty Air Force officer and flight surgeon….”
That makes him credible, unlike the others. I just don’t agree on many of his other views and I think he is a bit past his prime…otherwise he’s the best of the GOP bunch.

(ir)Rational

December 16th, 2011
9:31 am

So, Granny and Peadawg – You’re saying that Obama couldn’t just issue an executive order shutting it down? I’m not buying it. Not even a little bit. Also not buying the idea that a democrat controlled Congress wouldn’t figure out somewhere for the money to come from for him to shut it down if he really wanted it closed. Especially considering how many in Congress campaigned on the very same issue. I’m going to stick with the idea that if he wanted it shut down, it would be shut down.

Hmmmmmmmmm

December 16th, 2011
9:31 am

There is no doubting that Newt is a smart man…. But he is more of the same political BS that we have in DC year in, year out…. Ron Paul would be a breath of fresh air… He may not have a chance, but MY vote goes to him. IMHO…

ty webb

December 16th, 2011
9:31 am

Jay,
sorry, that part wasn’t in the clip you provided, and I don’t remember hearing that. like I said, it’s one of those things that candidates say, then pray like hell that they don’t have to back up…”Read My lips” comes to mind…but then again, you have the ol’ fallback “facts on the ground have changed” to excuse such “misstatements”

TaxPayer

December 16th, 2011
9:33 am

I attended, as a journalist, his “college course” at Kennesaw State back in the ’90s.

You must have really ruffled some feathers high up the food chain to be doled out that punishment.

Jay

December 16th, 2011
9:35 am

Mick:

The course was what you’d expect from Newt, a collection of bright and shiny intellectual objects thrown together with no discernible pattern, mixed in with Hallmark Greeting Card-level celebrations of America’s can-do spirit that had allegedly been destroyed by ’60s liberals. The course title was “Renewing American Civilization.”

The fact that they offered graduate-level credit for taking it was an embarrassment to the Georgia university system.

Mary Elizabeth

December 16th, 2011
9:35 am

President Obama recently placed American troops in Australia to give China a clear message of America’s strength. Obama’s way involves complex thinking, doing, and planning ahead in today’s interconnected world. His is not a “cowboy” mentality that perceives in “shoot outs” of “winners and losers” for an on-the-spot declared victory. For a fuller understanding of Obama’s foreign policy approach, read the below link in the Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/us-troops-headed-to-australia-irking-china/2011/11/16/gIQAiGiuRN_story.html