Weekly jobless numbers add to optimism

From Reuters:

“The number of Americans filing new claims for jobless benefits fell to a 3-1/2-year low last week and factory activity in parts of the Northeast gained speed in December, suggesting a further strengthening of the economic recovery.

While other data on Thursday showed industrial output shrank for the first time in seven months in November, much of the decline came from auto production, which analysts said was held back by temporary supply disruptions.

“It looks like we have just hit a clear patch on the road to recovery, where things are going to speed up a little bit,” said Mark Vitner, a senior economist at Wells Fargo Securities in Charlotte, North Carolina.

According to the Labor Department, initial claims for unemployment last week were 366,000, the lowest since May of 2008, before the economy began its cliffdive. (The number is seasonally adjusted to account for the normal holiday hiring.)

According to the Wall Street Journal:

” … surveys of large and small employers also show improving conditions and sentiment. A survey out Tuesday from ManpowerGroup hit its highest reading since 2008, while a report by the National Federation of Independent Business showed small businesses added workers in November after shedding them for five straight months. Labor Department data reflect a steady increase in job openings while consumer polls suggest people are feeling better about the job market.

“If claims can remain at this level, payroll growth will strengthen markedly within a month or so,” said Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist at High Frequency Economics.

That doesn’t mean that things still aren’t tough. They are. I was in the grocery store yesterday and was struck by a conversation I overheard between a man behind the counter and a customer, a seemingly prosperous older woman. It went like this:

Clerk: “How are you doing today, ma’am?”

Woman: “Oh. I’ve been better. Things have certainly been better.”

Clerk: “Well, I’m sorry to hear that. I always try to look at the bright side, ma’am, so maybe things will improve.”

Woman: “Yeah, well, you have a job. Right?”

Clerk: “Uhh, yes ma’am. I guess I do.”

Woman: “I don’t. And my husband was just laid off too, after working for the company for 30 years. So no, I’m not doing so well.”

The depression and sense of resignation in the woman’s voice told you more than her words did. Those of us with jobs or steady income should keep in mind how lucky we are during this holiday season.

– Jay Bookman

411 comments Add your comment

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 15th, 2011
5:52 pm

Better and better

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 15th, 2011
5:53 pm

And by the way First!!! and foremost :-)

Kamchak

December 15th, 2011
5:56 pm

The number of Americans filing new claims for jobless benefits fell to a 3-1/2-year low last week…

It’s Obama’s fault!

getalife

December 15th, 2011
5:56 pm

Peace and prosperity.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 15th, 2011
5:58 pm

Oh no… Jay was at the Whole Foods!. Of course, the story has a great deal more plausibility than those we typically hear. :lol:

Jay

December 15th, 2011
6:03 pm

Kroger, Keep.

I can’t afford Whole Paychecks on a regular basis.

josef

December 15th, 2011
6:04 pm

Without going to into detail here from professional discretion, but we’ve seen an increase in free and reduced lunch applications from some rather prestigeous addresses where both parents are now unemployed…for those who don’t know, that’s how Title I funds are allocated to schools…that d*mnable redistricting demographic “study” for the APS is factoring in the “return to the public schools” from those who can no longer afford the tuition to private schools…this recession/downturn/depression needs more than a dose of optimism…

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 15th, 2011
6:05 pm

Jay forgot to mention the EBT card, 5 kids and her driving away in a brand new Lexus.

Also the fact that she bought 50 dollar bottles of wine and cigarettes on the card.

:-)

#1 Foxy Lady

December 15th, 2011
6:08 pm

President Barack Obama does it again.

On behalf of ALL Americans, thank you Mr. President for doing a great job!

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 15th, 2011
6:08 pm

Hey, just ignore the middle class jobs that have been offshored. Concentrate on the minimum wage jobs like Perry did in Texas.

Oh yeah, Newt’s zipper isn’t broken he’s just feeling patriotic.

:-)

ty webb

December 15th, 2011
6:09 pm

Now if we can just get the “racist” banks to stop “suppressing” people from cashing Unemployment checks by asking for photo ID, then we all just may have a merry christmas.

Kamchak

December 15th, 2011
6:10 pm

…a customer, a seemingly prosperous older woman.

[...]

Woman: “I don’t. And my husband was just laid off too, after working for the company for 30 years. So no, I’m not doing so well.”

The depression and sense of resignation in the woman’s voice told you more than her words did.

Her husband had a career at a company for 30 years and she’s depressed?

Odds are that he is fully vested in a benefits package that is now longer available at that company. Also, I would bet heavily that his position was not discontinued but the company hired or promoted someone younger, under a different benefits package, for less money.

Jm

December 15th, 2011
6:11 pm

Thank House Republicans

TaxPayer

December 15th, 2011
6:11 pm

Wait a minute! Since when is working for the same company for thirty years considered a bad thing. I only got in twenty before retiring and I coulda used those extra ten years to further pad my retirement accounts.

Paul

December 15th, 2011
6:14 pm

“Those of us with jobs or steady income should keep in mind how lucky we are during this holiday season.”

Amen to that. Gratitude requires humility. Something the “I did it all myself, my bootstraps, nobody every helped me with my good choices” crowd could stand to remember.

So what’s changed in the outlook? I think it’s more than a bunch of execs reading the same data and coming to the same conclusions. Something like this, it’s almost a collective energy that takes hold. Let’s hope it continues.

Jm

December 15th, 2011
6:15 pm

For the jobless

There are better days ahead if government will get out of the way

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 15th, 2011
6:15 pm

Jm, I agree. Let’s thank the House Republicans and the Senate Republicans that that woman does not have a job and her husband was let go. See, if you spend enough time here, like the Grinch your tiny little heart will grow 3 sizes and you will learn empathy for the plight of 1 out of 2 Americans thanks to the conned!

Paul

December 15th, 2011
6:16 pm

Common sense

“Oh yeah, Newt’s zipper isn’t broken he’s just feeling patriotic.”

No wonder he shills for the wonderdrug industry….

was gonna wait to go off track and downhill, but that was just too easy…..

Paul

December 15th, 2011
6:17 pm

Jm

“There are better days ahead if government will get out of the way

and do the following:

1.

2.

3.

4.

(slogans not accepted)

F. Sinkwich

December 15th, 2011
6:19 pm

So we’re finally seeing some effect of the R’s taking control of the house a year or so ago.

If O’bozo had done NOTHING after assuming office — no stimulus, no Obamacare, no additional regulations, etc., the ecomony would have significantly improved long ago.

josef

December 15th, 2011
6:19 pm

PAUL

“Amen to that. Gratitude requires humility. Something the “I did it all myself, my bootstraps, nobody every helped me with my good choices” crowd could stand to remember”

And amen to that…nothing chaps my liberal priviledged a33 quite like that…the right plumbing, the right skin tone,the right ethnicity, the right lieu de naissance, the right family connections, and a host of other advantages of birth never enters into the calculation…

ragnar danneskjold

December 15th, 2011
6:21 pm

Watching weekly unemployment claims is as informative as watching daily Rasmussen republican polls. Suggest watching the monthly “total nonfarm private employment” number at economagic.com/em-cgi/data.exe/blsce/ces0000000001

getalife

December 15th, 2011
6:22 pm

Lets hope the gop stay out of the way.

Let there be jobs for everybody.

Four more years.

ty webb

December 15th, 2011
6:23 pm

These personal anecdotes from Jay really pull at the heartstrings…I think back to the one with Jay and his “conversation” with the restauranteer who can’t afford to not pay illegals slave wages, and the tears start flowing…Jay, if this opinion thing doesn’t work out, you should definitely get in touch with “Lifetime”…They’re always looking for scripts.

josef

December 15th, 2011
6:25 pm

ty

“These personal anecdotes from Jay really pull at the heartstrings…”

Only if you have a heart to begin with…

Jay

December 15th, 2011
6:26 pm

Gee, you’re a regular John Boehner, huh Ty?

ty webb

December 15th, 2011
6:27 pm

Josef,
I resemble that.

getalife

December 15th, 2011
6:27 pm

Good news makes them angry.

Weird.

Paul

December 15th, 2011
6:27 pm

Sinkwich

“So we’re finally seeing some effect of the R’s taking control of the house a year or so ago.

What, specifically, did the House do to cause initial unemployment claims to be the lowest since May ?

I’d really like to know.

evening, josef

As I’ve said before, one of the greatest determinants of a good life is something one has no control over – where and when you’re born.

Some people can’t deal with random chance.

Jm

December 15th, 2011
6:33 pm

Paul
I’ve said this a dozen times

No new regs
Get rid of old regs
Eliminate the corporate tax
Close the deficit

As I’ve provided answers a dozen times already I will not elaborate

josef

December 15th, 2011
6:34 pm

PAUL

Yes, you have. EOI, you are! Were your ears burning about 4:30 p.m. today? I was in a meeting and was “stirring up trouble,” along those lines. One of the folks there tunes in here from time to time. Laughed and said, “EOI ain’t you!” I said, “yeah, but I could sure use a hand from Paul.” Everybody else looked at us like we were crazy, but WE knew what we were talking about! :-)

ty webb

December 15th, 2011
6:34 pm

Jay
I may shed a few tears, but they don’t flow like Boehner’s…okay…”I’m getting a little verklempt…Talk amongst yourselves”.

Jay

December 15th, 2011
6:35 pm

Peter, please focus the discussion on topics, rather than on those posting here.

F. Sinkwich

December 15th, 2011
6:36 pm

“What, specifically, did the House do to cause initial unemployment claims to be the lowest since May ?”

They stifled O’bozo’s socialist initiatives, Paul.

Thanks for asking.

josef

December 15th, 2011
6:37 pm

Jm

D*mn…it’s rEgpickers…and all this time I thought it was the rAgpickers causing all the grief…

Peter

December 15th, 2011
6:37 pm

Hey Jay. No issues……

By the way CEO’s pay jumped 35% this year….. and Corporate America has hired how many new workers ?

Peter

December 15th, 2011
6:38 pm

Deficits don’t matter Jm correct ?

Jm

December 15th, 2011
6:38 pm

Yeah jobs

Bloomberg had another piece on the skills and mobility gap increasing unfilled new jobs

Kamchak

December 15th, 2011
6:39 pm

Good news makes them angry.

Weird.

Mitch McConnell: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term President.”

The prime directive that everything flows from.

Of course good news makes them angry.

Ross Perot

December 15th, 2011
6:41 pm

Funny Oscandal wasn’t the fault of the bad economy, he fixed it. Exactly how? Green Jobs? Let’s wait until the completion of the first quarter of 2012 before we pop the bubbly, we’ll find an uptick in unemployment even though the numbers were seasonally manip…er adjusted.

Peter

December 15th, 2011
6:41 pm

What will the GOP have to say now the economy is finally on track ?

Jm

December 15th, 2011
6:41 pm

Peter
Deficits do matter. I’m not dick Cheney

Peter

December 15th, 2011
6:42 pm

JM you are a GOP kind of guy so I am sure deficits don’t matter, and trickle down economics make sense to you !

JohnnyReb

December 15th, 2011
6:43 pm

Talk of Republicans wanting the economy to stay down so Obama will not be reelected is hogwash. This republican wants the economy to improve and improve quickly. Any good news is good for all especially for small business owners like the boss and I.

Enough softness; has anyone noticed the drive-by media has not pushed the info Jay provides? That is not a coincidence or that other news is greater. It is because the Left wants a deal to extend unemployment and news of lower unemployment won’t help that effort. The lesson here is, the administration uses the legacy media to influence public opinion and to push their agenda. I’m glad to see Jay posted this data. He may be in the tank for Obama, but still has a line to reason.

F. Sinkwich

December 15th, 2011
6:43 pm

“Mitch McConnell: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term President.””

Only that will save this wonderful country.

Kamchak, like O’bozo, doesn’t have much use for the good ol’ USA.

Paul

December 15th, 2011
6:43 pm

Jm

Thanks.

But, you know, Pres Obama put out a call to business months ago – “tell us what regs are getting in your way” and the response has been weak. Remember those numbers Jay posted listing the percentage of layoffs caused by regulations, as identified by businesses? Next to zero percent.

The deficit gap hasn’t been closed. So why the decrease in initial unemployment claims now?

Corporate tax is lots lower than it was not all that long ago. One would think it would’ve had a positive economic effect without lowering any more, wouldn’t one? Obviously other factors are in play.

josef

So that’s what caused the burning! I was about to call my doc and asked him if he had something like Nexium for my ears.

F. Sinkwich

“They stifled O’bozo’s socialist initiatives, Paul.”

So doing nothing other than blocking the other party is a recipe for economic recovery?

It would seem all the Republican candidates disagree with that prescription.

barking frog

December 15th, 2011
6:44 pm

could it be that the sentiment expressed by the billions spent
on Black Friday stimulated hiring more than anything the
government has done?

Jm

December 15th, 2011
6:44 pm

Peter 6:42 when I need a really inaccurate psychic, I’ll ask for one

Until then, pester someone else

RG Readmore

December 15th, 2011
6:46 pm

Jay: “According to the Labor Department, initial claims for unemployment last week were 366,000, the lowest since May of 2008, before the economy began its cliffdive.”

Well it has taken 2 3/4 years, but Obama seems on the verge of undoing all of the harm from the Bush Blunder years…

Peter

December 15th, 2011
6:46 pm

Well Jm what would you have expected from McCain and Palin ?

josef

December 15th, 2011
6:47 pm

Sinkwich

Who made you and your ilk (beat you to it, ha!) the arbitrer of who is an who is not a “good” American?

Kamchak

December 15th, 2011
6:47 pm

Only that will save this wonderful country.

Kamchak, like O’bozo, doesn’t have much use for the good ol’ USA.

Thanks for proving brother getalife’s point, ilky.

I merely tried to point out that it wasn’t weird, so I guess you proved my point too.

Oooohh, a twofer.

ty webb

December 15th, 2011
6:47 pm

“President Barack Obama does it again.”

wonder why our resident “proof pleaser”’s or “cite pleaser”’s never ask this one to be proved by the commenters who regurgitype such nonsense.

They BOTH suck

December 15th, 2011
6:47 pm

JohnyRed
Whats up man? hope all is well with you
http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/15/news/economy/unemployment_benefits/index.htm?iid=HP_Highlight

Took all of 30 seconds to find something about jobs….

Is CNN not part of the “drive by media”… Rush who loves to use that phrase surely thinks they are

Mick

December 15th, 2011
6:47 pm

The price of a gallon of gas heading downward helps everyone and free’s up some extra spending money. Keep going down, down, down…

Jm

December 15th, 2011
6:49 pm

Paul
My solutions are long term remedies, not overnight ones

The marginal corporate tax rate hasn’t been changed. The whole code really needs reforming which includes removing the corporate tax

I blame both parties for an absurd accumulation of stupid regs, not just democrats. Biz has actually provided lots of feedback on bad regs. Obama obviously said he wouldn’t just enact any recommendations.

There are good regulations and bad ones. There’s a long list of bad ones.

AmVet - Just say no to dumb Republican slogans.

December 15th, 2011
6:50 pm

Good news for American workers and very bad news for the Obama haters and the Party of No .

Lets hope it portends a lot more really bad days for them in 2012.

And to RG Readmore’s point, every week that we get farther removed from the Reign of Error is a good week for this nation…

Mr_B

December 15th, 2011
6:50 pm

G’devenin’ all.”“Amen to that. Gratitude requires humility. Something the “I did it all myself, my bootstraps, nobody every helped me with my good choices” crowd could stand to remember”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BYOJ1tc-k

JohnnyReb

December 15th, 2011
6:51 pm

They Both Suck – some of the legacy media may be telling the story now, but earlier in the day they were almost silent. Certainly not like last week when that was all they could talk about from morning till night because it was good news for Obama.

This week is good news too, but believe me they played it down for the reason I stated.

Yes, I listen to Rush. His interview with Gretta last evening should be required viewing by anyone interested in politics.

ty webb

December 15th, 2011
6:52 pm

Quite the conundrum… If the “party of NO” is blocking Obama from doing anything, then how is it his actions or policies that are creating such “good” economic news?…seems one meme needs to be retired.

RG Readmore

December 15th, 2011
6:53 pm

I agree Amvet. Makes you realize just how bad the recession truly was, and how destructive the Bush/GOP Reign of Error was for the country.

Jm

December 15th, 2011
6:53 pm

Peter I voted for Obama

Palin is a joke and a bad choice. I regret having Obama as president, but sadly, if facing the same choice and the same set of circumstances I would have voted for Obama

Palin was a really awful choice

So was Obama

McCain Lieberman wouldn’t been cool

But you only get two (real) choices in the booth

They BOTH suck

December 15th, 2011
6:54 pm

JohnnyReb

Rush to me is a blow hard….. and yes I have listened to him numerous times over the last 15 or so years

Not saying that he doesn’t ever make any good points; however it is mostly a one side affair with attack after attack

Good for those who like to listen to him, but it is more entertainment than news

He is good for a belly laugh

getalife

December 15th, 2011
6:54 pm

I love good news.

Keep them coming Jay.

JohnnyReb

December 15th, 2011
6:54 pm

josef – re, the free school lunches. There is a story circulating that, I believe, Philadelphia wants to feed three meals a day. I think that is over the top. What say you?

kayaker 71

December 15th, 2011
6:55 pm

The really big obstacle to hiring is the uncertainty of Bozocare. While touted as the answer to all of our health care woes, it is obvious, even in 2011, that it will be the 40# monkey on the back of small business. That “you can keep your own doctor” crap and “it will pay for itself through cracking down on welfare fraud” are two of the biggest lies that Bozo and his team have stated. And small business, along with larger firms, have no idea what this fiasco will do to profits and employee benefits that they are responsible for. This will turn out to be the biggest and most intrusive fiasco in our health care history. If unemployment is getting better, it is not because of Bozo and all of his friends…. it is in spite of them.

Mick

December 15th, 2011
6:55 pm

reb

Rush & hannity’s ratings drop by 30%. The daily slog against obama is getting monotonous…
http://www.businessinsider.com/rush-limbaugh-hannity-imus-radio-ratings-2011-5

josef

December 15th, 2011
6:56 pm

ty

Foxy Lady is a right wing plant…

F. Sinkwich

December 15th, 2011
6:56 pm

“Who made you and your ilk (beat you to it, ha!) the arbitrer of who is an who is not a “good” American?”

I don’t consider socialists like you and O’bozo real Americans. It’s a state of mind.

Sorry.

RG Readmore

December 15th, 2011
6:57 pm

JohnnyReb
December 15th, 2011
6:51 pm
Yes, I listen to Rush. His interview with Gretta last evening should be required viewing by anyone interested in politics.

I mistakenly tuned in for a few short minutes. Cruela Deville, I mean Gretta asked Rush if there was anything Obama has done that he admired. Rush responded some lame not-funny windbag response about vacations and golf. First, it was a stupid question. Second, the fact that Rush could not even say Osama Bin Laden pretty much says everything I need to know about ol’ Rush.

Paul

December 15th, 2011
6:57 pm

Jm

I do see your point on regs, but think it important to keep in mind regulations are what the bureaucracy (authorized and funded by Congress) uses to implement laws passed by Congress. So it’s not like there’s these bunch of people in government going off half cocked and saying “gee… today I think I’ll issue a regulation on this!!!”

Also agree it’s long term and fault of both parties.

I’m skeptical of zeroing out corporate tax. Maybe, just maybe I’d support it IF… corporations showed tax savings were plowed into new hires, equipment or worker wages. Above baseline already established. If not, then they pay at the old rate and then some.

Kinda like Perry’s and Gingrich’s (?) ‘pick the tax plan you want. The current one or this one.”

It would be interesting to see if corporations took the offer – or maybe they know something noncorporate America doesn’t want to acknowledge?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 15th, 2011
6:57 pm

If the “party of NO” is blocking Obama from doing anything, then how is it his actions or policies that are creating such “good” economic news?…seems one meme needs to be retired

Well ty… I know its a hard to comprehend but the Executive Branch does have some powers to act under previously passed legislation. And of course there has been the legislation that has passed despite Republican obstruction such as the stimulus, healthcare insurance reform, etc.

Jm

December 15th, 2011
6:57 pm

Kayaker. Amen

josef

December 15th, 2011
6:58 pm

Johnny

I’m for the three meals a day…served with no discrimination to one and all…it’s government groceries to begin with and good for the farm economy…but most importantly, it takes care of the most vulnerable among us…I see plenty of hunger on a daily basis,,,little ones “sneaking” apples, cereal, juice and the like for the little ones at home and their own supper…

Kamchak

December 15th, 2011
6:58 pm

I don’t consider socialists like you and O’bozo real Americans.

With each and every post you prove my point.

Peter

December 15th, 2011
6:58 pm

Jm not saying you didn’t vote for the lesser of two evils, so why all the crying all the time ?

McCain and Palin were a silly choice, and how could anyone think she was qualified ?

You seem to forget the country is making a come back, and the job numbers are an indication.

F. Sinkwich

December 15th, 2011
6:59 pm

“Palin is a joke and a bad choice. I regret having Obama as president, but sadly, if facing the same choice and the same set of circumstances I would have voted for Obama”

Jm loses all credibility with this one.

Mr_B

December 15th, 2011
6:59 pm

Paul @ 6:43

I’ve repeated put out a call on this and other blogs, and among my friends in the business community to point out ANY regulation promoted by president Obama that has caused them not to hire an employee for whom there was otherwise a need.

Score so far- “0″, nada zilch, nullset, love; it all comes out the same.

Peter

December 15th, 2011
7:00 pm

Funny stuff……..If unemployment is getting better, it is not because of Bozo and all of his friends…. it is in spite of them.

Yes with Bush in office all was great, and getting better !

getalife

December 15th, 2011
7:00 pm

662 billion on defense.

Fiscal cons are silent.

More US infrastructure and green energy investments please.

JohnnyReb

December 15th, 2011
7:00 pm

Mick, that’s interesting. Of course, Limbaugh has not mentioned it. I always wonder how the rating agencies get their numbers. When I was a kid and TV was growing in the ATL market, we had a set top box and a log to record what we watched. I don’t recall how long we participated, but not that long.

I will state I think Rush has been off his game since marrying. He seems to be off more than in the past and some days distracted. That will probably pass once he is no longer a newly wed.

Jm

December 15th, 2011
7:00 pm

Paul
I advocate eliminating the corporate tax

But increasing the capital gains and dividend tax to equal the top marginal tax rate on wages

Mick

December 15th, 2011
7:01 pm

sink

At least he has some cajones, you seem a bit newtered…

Paul

December 15th, 2011
7:01 pm

Mr. B

That was great. Thanks.

Peter

December 15th, 2011
7:02 pm

Jm why eliminate the corporate tax ?

josef

December 15th, 2011
7:02 pm

Sinkwich

My roots go back here over 300 years and Unmentionable’s further than that…and yours? Not that it matters, but if you’re going to start claiming this, that or the other American is better than another…keep in mind, you might want to be careful decreeing who is, and who isn’t a “good American.”

And, yes, pushed to the check-a-box I would check Socialist for myself…I wouldn’t Obama…not even a solid right wing Social Democrat he…a centrist…

Jm

December 15th, 2011
7:03 pm

Sinkwich
McCain wouldn’t been a great president in many ways

Palin was wholly unprepared to be anywhere near the oval office

Then again, so was Obama

Like I was saying, crappy choice

Mick

December 15th, 2011
7:03 pm

reb

Since rush works for clear channel, they will protect him at all costs. He puts a face on corporate pig….

AmVet - Read my lips. No new con refudiations.

December 15th, 2011
7:03 pm

Maybe ty is right.

Perhaps a more accurate label would be the Party of Stop.

Not bad but it really says the same thing

Maybe the Party of Reverse?

Nah. Even though it is technically more accurate, it doesn’t roll off the tongue quite right.

Party of No captures them perfectly…

http://political-freedom.webs.com/POLITICS-Party-No.jpg

http://motherjones.com/files/images/Blog_Party_Of_No.jpg

Paul

December 15th, 2011
7:04 pm

Jm

Still shifts the burden for funding the feds away from corporations and onto individuals, doesn’t it?

You know, through many periods of great economic growth the business community funded a far, far larger share of federal operations than they do now.

Did I mention that was during times of great economic growth with rates that were higher than they now are?

Mr_B

December 15th, 2011
7:04 pm

Sink: And I don’t consider Obama to be a real Socalist. (I used to carry a Party card.)

JohnnyReb

December 15th, 2011
7:04 pm

josef – my concern and perception is, a lot of the kids come from homes where parental responsibility is not what it needs to be. Shifting one more responsibility to the state seems like the wrong direction.

BTW, did I ever tell you my mother managed the lunch room in a Coweta County school and retired from same. Her school provided breakfast and lunch, and yes used loads of the government surplus food.

Hard Times Don't Discriminate

December 15th, 2011
7:05 pm

@josef December 15th, 2011 6:04 pm – We’ve seen an increase in free and reduced lunch applications from some rather prestigeous addresses where both parents are now unemployed…

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Several of YOUR Republican candidates said, If you don’t have a job and if you are not rich, “ITS YOUR FAULT! BLAME YOURSELF!

Hard times don’t discriminate and does not care what COLOR you are!

Jm

December 15th, 2011
7:07 pm

Peter
Because it makes American business uncompetitive

Because it fosters an absurd amount if disruptive, corrupting, useless, and wasteful lobbying in DC

Because you can tax dividends and cap gains higher ad achieve the same thing as an offset

Because many corporations can get around the tax anyhow

Because it adds significant transactional costs to business operations (double book keeping)

Because it creates business winners and losers

Just get rid of the whole damn thing and end the double taxation mess

Mr_B

December 15th, 2011
7:08 pm

JohnnyReb: “my concern and perception is, a lot of the kids come from homes where parental responsibility is not what it needs to be. Shifting one more responsibility to the state seems like the wrong direction.”

That’s pretty easy to say if you’re not the hungry kid.

Hard Times Don't Discriminate

December 15th, 2011
7:09 pm

@Common Sense isn’t very Common December 15th, 2011 6:05 pm – Jay forgot to mention the EBT card, 5 kids and her driving away in a brand new Lexus. Also the fact that she bought 50 dollar bottles of wine and cigarettes on the card.

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You sound like an idiot. Where is your compassion?

Everyone knows that you cannot purchase cigarettes and wine on those EBT cards.

Are you jealous that she drives a Lexus and you don’t.

Ross Perot

December 15th, 2011
7:10 pm

Jm

December 15th, 2011
7:11 pm

Paul 7:04
No. All taxes are ultimately paid by individuals one way or the other

And if you raise the CG and div tax, you have solved the loss of revenue problem

In fact you’ll bring in more revenue

Mr_B

December 15th, 2011
7:11 pm

“Because many corporations can get around the tax anyhow”

Some people steal and don’t get caught. Make theft legal.

ty webb

December 15th, 2011
7:11 pm

Keep up the good fight,
just stick with:
Obama=”good” things
GOP=bad things
and when in doubt, “inherited”!

shorter, more precise, and it fits on a bumber sticker.