The Keystone pipeline will NOT create 20,000 new jobs
“Millions of Americans are desperate for jobs, and no single project promises more of them than the proposed Keystone XL Pipeline, which would run from Canada to the Gulf Coast…. As the largest shovel-ready infrastructure project in the U.S., Keystone XL was expected to create 20,000 new jobs right away.”
– U.S. Sen. Dick Lugar and
Senate Minority Leader
Mitch McConnell
And that, of course, is false, and Lugar and McConnell have good reason to know it is false. The Keystone XL Pipeline, the centerpiece of the latest standoff in Washington, will not produce 20,000 shovel-ready jobs. Even TransCanada, the company pushing the pipeline’s construction, now acknowledges that it is false.
The number that the company likes to throw around is now 13,000 direct construction jobs, but that too is misleading. When challenged, the company acknowledges that it is counting what you might call “job years.” In other words, TransCanada believes the project will produce 6,500 jobs that last for two years.
Six thousand five hundred jobs is a far cry from 20,000. And even the 6,500-job estimate is much too high. According to an independent assessment by Cornell University’s School of Industrial and Labor Relations, the project would produce between 2,500 and 4,650 construction jobs, and could even end up costing the country jobs, for reasons that we’ll get to below.
TransCanada is basing its job estimates on a report that it commissioned from the Perryman Group. However, the Perryman Group has refused to release important data behind its estimate, claiming it to be proprietary information. The folks at Cornell nevertheless took what data Perryman did make available and found several major, fundamental flaws in its approach.
For example, a $1 billion portion of the Keystone XL pipeline has already been built and is up and operating. The Perryman study nonetheless pretends that section of the project is still on the drawing boards and, when built, will provide thousands of new jobs.
In addition, Keystone supporters ignore the fact that large quantities of Canadian tar-sands oil are already being imported into the United States and are being refined and used in the American Midwest. As the Cornell study points out:
“According to TransCanada, KXL will increase the price of heavy crude oil in the Midwest by almost $2 to $4 billion annually, and escalating for several years. It will do this by diverting major volumes of tar sands oil now supplying the Midwest refineries, so it can be sold at higher prices to the Gulf Coast and export markets. As a result, consumers in the Midwest could be paying 10 to 20 cents more per gallon for gasoline and diesel fuel, adding up to $5 billion to the annual US fuel bill.”
As the Cornell study concludes, those higher fuel prices for the Midwest could cost that region thousands of jobs. So while the pipeline construction would certainly help the Canadian tar-sands investors — many of them Chinese — get a higher price for their product by moving it to the Gulf, it could prove to be a wash or even a net negative in terms of jobs for American workers.
As the Cornell study concludes:
“It is unfortunate that the numbers generated by TransCanada, the industry, and the Perryman study have been subject to so little scrutiny, because they clearly inflate the projections for the numbers of direct, indirect, and long-term induced jobs that KXL might expect to create. What is being offered by the proponents is advocacy to build support for KXL, rather than serious research aimed to inform public debate and responsible decision making. By repeating inflated numbers, the supporters of KXL approval are doing an injustice to the American public in that expectations are raised for jobs that simply cannot be met. These numbers — hundreds of thousands of jobs! — then get packaged as if KXL were a major jobs program capable of registering some kind of significant impact on unemployment levels and the overall economy. This is plainly untrue.”
– Jay Bookman
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Soothsayer
December 14th, 2011
5:35 pm
“Looks like the sand flea is nipping at my ankles again.”
Doom: you flatter yourself. I would rather have one of Keep’s posts than 100 of the drivel you post here. Why don’t you run on over to Wingnut’s blog?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
5:35 pm
Sooth, we are not oblivious, we just cannot get our leaders to have a coherent policy, thanks in large part to the “geo thinking” of nimnod righty trolls.
TaxPayer
December 14th, 2011
5:36 pm
Geo strategic thinking! Is that the latest associates degree offering from Phoenix University.
getalife
December 14th, 2011
5:38 pm
I go to kyle wingnut’s blog to deflect and blame the gop for everything to be fair and balanced..
Kamchak
December 14th, 2011
5:39 pm
Are you sure that it’s not speedo strategic thinking?
Soothsayer
December 14th, 2011
5:39 pm
“Why not refine in Montana. Where will oil be shipped to from gulf coast. Is it staying in us or where is it shipped to.”
The most lucid post of the evening as far as I’m concerned. It seems to me it would be a lot cheaper to build a refinery in Montana or Canada than building a pipeline to the Gulf Coast.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
5:40 pm
The state of Massachusetts is quietly reaping the benefits of cap and trade, the much-maligned process for curbing greenhouse gas emissions that federal lawmakers and many state governments resoundingly rejected in recent years. According to a recent study, cap and trade has created 3,800 jobs and nearly $500 million in economic activity for Massachusetts since 2008.
Well I would love to give some credit to Mitt Romney for pushing this but that Mitt Romney no longer exists. This should be part of a coherent comprehensive energy policy.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
5:41 pm
Great Zeus! Kam has cracked the code!
Reality Dawg
December 14th, 2011
5:44 pm
And yet another Socialist article from Mr. Jay Bookman. I don’t care if its 1 job, 6,500 jobs, 13,000 jobs or 20,000 jobs we need to get people to work in this country and this pipeline will create plenty of jobs plus all the secondary jobs to support the primary work. Jay, what do you propose we do to creat jobs in this country?
Your Socialist party will not agree to drill oil anywhere (loss of jobs) Your party wants to shut down 60-80 coal plants arcrosss the country another loss of jobs, your cutting military funding which is costing direct and indirect job losses… The list goes on and on and on… You along with all your socialist friends want jobs created but your killing jobs with your socialist poilicies! What way to you want it Jay? The definition of a Liberal or modern day terminology (Socialist) = A group of people with absolutley no common sense.
Nov 2013 cannot get here fast enough!
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
December 14th, 2011
5:46 pm
Nov 2013 cannot get here fast enough!
Too funny!
josef
December 14th, 2011
5:47 pm
REALITY
Socialist? Get a grip, Pombo. This administration is too centrist to even qualify as the rightist faction of the Social Democrats…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
5:48 pm
Wow Reality Dawg makes a point, jobs are important, even temporary jobs for 1 or 2 years. Perhaps he will call Congress and push them to pass the jobs initiative and bills that Obama has proposed for infrastructure, teachers and first responders. Oh wait, I am sure there was a reason that those jobs don’t count but suddenly these jobs do no matter what the potential impact on the water supply to most of this country.
Soothsayer
December 14th, 2011
5:48 pm
Here’s a sobering reality: for the younger of you, you will run out of most forms of fossil fuels in your lifetime.
What will replace fossil fuels? Rather than fighting a transition to “green” energy, you should be embracing it.
Unfortunately, I think the time has long passed for a “soft landing.” I truly believe there is going to be severe Worldwide hardship including mass-starvation.
Consider this,the amount of energy contained in all the fossil fuels consumed in the entire World in an entire year is the same amount of energy contained in just 40 minutes of sunlight striking the Earth.
If we don’t learn how to use this energy, we are doomed as a People.
josef
December 14th, 2011
5:48 pm
Why the Gulf Coast? Warm water port serving the Atlantic based market…
Brosephus
December 14th, 2011
5:50 pm
Sooth @ 5:26
http://inhabitat.com/hydra-a-solar-and-hydrogen-powered-mobile-water-purification-system/
godless heathen
December 14th, 2011
5:50 pm
Why worry about this pipeline causing any adverse environmental effects or if it’s going to produce any jobs? We aren’t going to survive the Deep Horizon oil spill anyway. Just ask AmVet, He put up some FACTS this morning about oil droplets remaining in the marshes to this day. These droplets are going to erupt any day now and destroy life on earth as we know it.
Soothsayer
December 14th, 2011
5:53 pm
How many millions of people live within a 500 mile radius of Chicago? Why not just build a refinery near the oil sands and use it there. Why do we need a 1,000 mile long pipeline?
Common Sense
December 14th, 2011
5:54 pm
For 20,000 saved or created jobs, the Federal government would have been willing to spend 6.25 billion dollars.
This should be a no brainer, even for those with no brains.
Thulsa Doom
December 14th, 2011
5:54 pm
Sooth,
Says the poster who will tell you with a straight face that 9/11 was an inside job done by W. Nothing more to say about your credibility- or glaring lack thereof.
That Black guy
December 14th, 2011
5:55 pm
Am I wrong in thinking the oil transported through the pipeline will be destined for the refineries in the Gulf Region to be processed into petroleum products (gasoline, kerosene, ect)? If that’s the case, are those petroleum products subject to world market prices like raw crude is? Do those products stay in this country (for the most part) for consumption by this country?
bman
December 14th, 2011
5:56 pm
Doom .. .. you are going to get him all stirred up again
JohnnyReb
December 14th, 2011
5:56 pm
I am very aware the Moonbat regulars on this thread believe they have debunked the CRA housing collapse theory and are absolutely convinced of it. However, that does not make them correct. Were there other factors that made it worse? Absolutely and Wall Street is one of them. However, Wall Street took the bad loans and multiplied them, they did not originate them. The root is CRA. The root is Democrtic idiology and their bleeing hearts. As to Bush, there is video of Barney denying the Bush assertions on the floor of the House where he states that Fanny and Freddie was not in trouble.
Thulsa Doom
December 14th, 2011
5:57 pm
Oh Lawdy,There are people who think thinkprogress is a credible web site. I wonder who funds that kook website anyway. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.
josef
December 14th, 2011
5:58 pm
Catching up here, but which Gulf port(s) is/are under consideration?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
5:58 pm
Sooth, while it supposedly will serve refineries in IL and storage fields in Cushing OK…. it will also connect to the Gulf so that this oil can be shipped elsewhere in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline
Thulsa Doom
December 14th, 2011
5:59 pm
bman,
Its what doomy do. He gets them libruls all riled up. Like a hornets nest. Its pretty amusing to watch aint it? Then they just come a nippin at my ankles-like sand fleas, chihuahuas, cockaroaches.
Soothsayer
December 14th, 2011
5:59 pm
Great post, Bro. I don’t how many times I’ve said it, but I’ll say it again. Hydrogen produced from solar is the only way we can continue to live the lifestyles we now have.
You can burn it the car you have now. No rare earth or noble metals are required to produce it (assuming concentrated solar power). You can also use it in the place of natural gas. It is pollution free — the only by-product is water. Rare metals like lithium can only make so many expensive batteries. Only 25% of lithium used in batteries is recyclable — not good.
Soothsayer
December 14th, 2011
6:02 pm
“Sooth, while it supposedly will serve refineries in IL and storage fields in Cushing OK…. it will also connect to the Gulf so that this oil can be shipped elsewhere in the world.”
We import 2/3 of our oil. Why in the name of all that’s sacred, do we need to ship oil to some other part of the World? Scratching my head.
Thulsa Doom
December 14th, 2011
6:02 pm
I wonder what libruls are gonna say if Iran closes the straight of hormuz and oil shoots to $200 a barrel. I wonder how many Dem voters are going to be happy with $10 a gallon gas. And more than anything I wonder how many of them would still oppose the keystone pipeline, drilling in the frozen tundra of the arctic refuge, and drilling off the coasts of Florida and California. It would be real interesting to see. What’s more is that it could happen at any time.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
6:03 pm
And again Thelma reveals his purpose is merely to be a troll. It’s what happens when a troll lacks intellectual ability for intelligent discussion backed by evidence. Its what trolls call “geo strategic thinking” but we all know it now as Speedo Strategic Thinking or SST!
Soothsayer
December 14th, 2011
6:03 pm
Doom: your posts are long on pomposity and short on substance. You’re a legend in your own mind.
Logical Dude
December 14th, 2011
6:04 pm
Sooth: Why in the name of all that’s sacred, do we need to ship oil to some other part of the World?
Because some capitalists can make money.
Another edition of easy answers to easy questions.
Soothsayer
December 14th, 2011
6:05 pm
Oh! Keep! that’s precious! Thelma! JUST DAMN! Why didn’t I thank of that?
TaxPayer
December 14th, 2011
6:07 pm
Oh NOES! Doom has done predicted high priced oil and gas. We’re Doomed! DOOMED, I say!
josef
December 14th, 2011
6:07 pm
Thulsa
Iran and the Straits of Hormuz…empty threat…how are they going to get their own product out to the Indian Ocean…?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
6:07 pm
Sooth, the nom “Thelma” is actually Kam’s creation(as is Speedo Strategic Thinking) but I don’t think he’ll mind if we all adopt it.
Soothsayer
December 14th, 2011
6:08 pm
“I wonder what libruls are gonna say if Iran closes the straight of hormuz and oil shoots to $200 a barrel.”
I tell you what libruls are gonna say if Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz. Find that MF who started this focking war and string him up!
Bobby
December 14th, 2011
6:09 pm
Double standard Bookman. Just like saying “Saved or Created 2 Million Jobs”, only, at least this would actually be track-able unlike Obama’s lying, deceitful practices.
godless heathen
December 14th, 2011
6:09 pm
Sooth,
“If we don’t learn how to use this energy, we are doomed as a People.”
Smart people are working on this and other solutions to our energy needs. We cannot imagine the technology that will be available when we run out of oil. The tech will probably be here way before the petro supply is anywhere near depleted.
125 years ago the biggest environmental problem our cities faced was what to do with all the horse manure.
We’ll be OK, I promise.
But for now the economies of all the world’s developed nations depend on petroleum based products because they are cheap and safe.
Poverty is the biggest threat to health in this world and keeping nations in poverty or returning others to poverty should not be considered as a solution.
getalife
December 14th, 2011
6:11 pm
Yeah, war with Iran raises gas prices.
willard and newt are losing to our President.
cons better switch to ron paul.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 14th, 2011
6:11 pm
You are worried about several thousand jobs (which are important to the ones with those jobs), but continue to ignore all the H1b visa holders (several hundred thousand) that are taking American workers jobs.
Both left and right continue to ignore the facts that eventually those jobs will be offshored because US workers will no longer have the current skillsets to do those jobs.
Donna P.
December 14th, 2011
6:11 pm
It is odd that Obama is waiting to make a decision on this until 2013. Does that mean he is FOR the pipeline and doesn’t want to offend his Democratic base? If he was against it, then he would say so now.
jeffrey
December 14th, 2011
6:13 pm
Why do dirty energy jobs, of which there are few for the working class, get priority over the almost 60,000 home building jobs that were lost and were held by that socio-economic class?
Kamchak
December 14th, 2011
6:13 pm
Sooth, the nom “Thelma” is actually Kam’s creation…
Donna P.
December 14th, 2011
6:13 pm
I’m with you “common sense isn’t very common”. We need to end the H1-B visa program all together. We have plenty of educated white collar IT workers available for those jobs instead. Did you know companies get a tax break for hiring H1-B visa holders? It is ridiculous!
Thulsa Doom
December 14th, 2011
6:14 pm
josef,
A threat from a crazed man driven by religious zealotry is never an idle threat. And he would do it just to harm the U.S. and its allies. Plus they would still try to ship out their own oil. Now obviously they wouldn’t sustain or even be able to sustain this for long at all. A few days or weeks at best before the Navy got over there. The point is that oil prices would shoot through the roof before taking a long, slow decline back down. They would still benefit monetarily just with some saber rattling.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
6:14 pm
hmmm… why look some of the Anybody But Obama and Obama is anti-business crowd think that maybe Obama is just waiting to approve this pipeline (which would be pro-business in their mind). Perhaps he is waiting for the actual reports from the EPA and others on the impact of this proposal to determine if it is in the national interest.
Kamchak
December 14th, 2011
6:15 pm
(damn it)
Sooth, the nom “Thelma” is actually Kam’s creation…
Ah thank you, but no.
Props go out to Brother AmVet for that one.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
6:16 pm
Okay, 3 cheers for Brother AmVet….but Kam gets SST.
XX TOP
December 14th, 2011
6:18 pm
As I was going about my evening chores, I thought of how the goats were a lot like those who are opposing the pipeline being expidited.They (my goats) are anxious, hard-headed, and will try to hurt you if they can. These are well-fed, well-cared for creatures that were rescued and live without fear of having to do anything but re-cycle( privet and yaupon branches) and make fertilizer for the garden.
Brosephus
December 14th, 2011
6:18 pm
Sooth
I first heard about that system right after the Haiti earthquake. There was talk about trying to send a few down there, but I don’t know if it ever happened.
NoCom
There you go injecting common sense into a common sense free zone….
Thulsa Doom
December 14th, 2011
6:19 pm
Hah. The whole fan club is chiming in. Doomy’s fan club had 5 posts in just 3 or 4 minutes. Do Doomy know how to rattle them cages or what? Damn its comical. Them sand fleas are nippin and the chihuahuas are barkin like pit bulls.
The bad thing about owning a piece of real estate inside of keep’s little noggin is that its real small and it aint worth much. Matter of fact its the only real estate that steadily declines in value. Its like the infinite smallness of the mass of that God particle a couple of posters were talking about earlier.
Soothsayer
December 14th, 2011
6:21 pm
Well, good night everyone. I think I’m going to work on my “elbow exercises.”
Got a tough day on the golf course tomorrow. Thank goodness I can take out my frustrations on little white balls and not on Republinuts. Sleep well!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
6:22 pm
The bad thing about owning a piece of real estate
Thelma can’t even come up with original insult attempts.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 14th, 2011
6:22 pm
Bro – no, a common sense free zone would be over on the other blog (that shall remain nameless).
Reality Dawg
December 14th, 2011
6:25 pm
Keep up the good fight…
My fellow American you forgot one very important fact in your paragraph… The shovel ready jobs ie Fireman, school teachers etc… that President Obama was asking for where not paid for by the private sector but paid for by additional stimulus funding from a piggy bank that has no pennies left in it! Again, you folks have no common sense, get it pal?
Thulsa Doom
December 14th, 2011
6:25 pm
keep up,
I’m going to head to the gym to work out for a couple of hours. Gives you plenty of time to get all hot and bothered and fantasize about those speedo shorts with a wifebeater that you’re also obsessing about. I’ll expect your usual speedo obsession comments- sooo predictable.
Something Freudian going on in that boy’s head.
Soothsayer
December 14th, 2011
6:25 pm
I almost forgot. Always let the client win.
Brosephus
December 14th, 2011
6:25 pm
NoCom
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 14th, 2011
6:26 pm
JM – You still want to increase the Capital Gains Tax to be equal to the tax on wages earned?
Do you still want to eliminate the loopholes for corporations?
With those ideas and the fact that your wife is going to vote for Obama over Newt might get you drummed out of the party
Old Timer
December 14th, 2011
6:26 pm
Why in the name of all that’s sacred, do we need to ship oil to some other part of the World? Scratching my head.
As I stated before, oil is a world commodity, traded in a world market. Believe me, the Canadian owners of that oil won’t be willing merely to turn that oil over to the United States without receiving the full market price. They can ensure getting that full market price by having the option to ship the oil to other buyers in the world. So for the sake of a few hundred jobs, we’re willing to let Canada run a pipeline over our water supply and run all the attendant risks. And it still won’t be our oil. We’re essentially willing to give Canada access to our warm water ports (it’s cold up there in the winter, you know) and we won’t get a dime for that access. We’re merely relying on the hope that a few of our workers will get jobs.
Kamchak
December 14th, 2011
6:26 pm
Tick…tick…tick….
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 14th, 2011
6:28 pm
These folks have got common sense to spare (theres enough of me to go around), it’s a thankless job but someone has to do it
GM
December 14th, 2011
6:29 pm
Thank you President Obama for bringing our Troops home: MCCain and Cheney are upset what a bunch of losers: 4500 Americans dead and these idiots are upset at the President:
How can any body back this bunch of retards of conservatives?
Reality Dawg
December 14th, 2011
6:30 pm
Josef…
Really the Obama Adm is to centerist to be considered socialist? What rock do you live under my friend? Your opinion is not even worth me writing back but hey I like debating fellow Americans!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
6:31 pm
Reality, do tell me. How exactly does the pipeline company get the land to build on? What are the tax consequences? Here’s a clue…the answers have been previously posted in a link.
Kamchak
December 14th, 2011
6:31 pm
Your opinion is not even worth me writing back but hey I like debating fellow Americans!
Your first foray into debating?
Martin Williams
December 14th, 2011
6:35 pm
20,000 jobs, just a myth…………….GOP smoke scream……..Since tax cuts have not created the millions of jobs expected since 2001, the pipeline will per GOP.
Brosephus
December 14th, 2011
6:35 pm
josef
You know that telling the truth will not compete with the rhetoric that Obama’s a Socialist. It’s almost like we live in an alternate universe or something.
XX TOP
December 14th, 2011
6:35 pm
There is no shortage of oil and there won’t be. I can remember when the derricks around Baytown,Tx. were spilling crude at such volume the bays were black. This was when the GOP were the ones pushing for pollution control and were Civil Rights leaders. Remember “Honest Abe” and T.R.? Oh yeah, What part of Hussein don”t you understand?
josef
December 14th, 2011
6:37 pm
ThULSA
“A threat from a crazed man driven by religious zealotry is never an idle threat”
This is true and were he actually anything more than a figurehead “mouth,” perhaps, but the real power, the Ayatollahs, are themselves wary of the business, trade and commerce boys and don’t mess with the goose laying the golden egg…
“And he would do it just to harm the U.S. and its allies”
He would, but the military-business clique would put a quietus to it, preferring as they do the more covert…
“Plus they would still try to ship out their own oil. Now obviously they wouldn’t sustain or even be able to sustain this for long at all. A few days or weeks at best before the Navy got over there.”
First, we’re already there along with just about everybody else with an interest in keeping Iran in check vis a vis the oil flow…remember Iraq I? Also, remember that quietly, very calmly and very methodically the Indian Navy has taken on its role as first line of defense here…
“The point is that oil prices would shoot through the roof before taking a long, slow decline back down.”
I don’t think they would shoot through the roof, rise precipitously, perhaps…but not to your doomsday scenario, imo.
“They would still benefit monetarily just with some saber rattling.”
Who is they? And these sabres have been rattling for a long time…
Your scenario has more currency if Pakistan makes a wild move…which could be since the Pakistani military IS a real threat and India cannot be expected to sit idly by on that one…
Erwin's cat
December 14th, 2011
6:40 pm
Dude – “Higgs Boson is actually 137.31415926539 GeV”
—————————————————-
Semper pi !
josef
December 14th, 2011
6:42 pm
XX
Honest Abe and TR…oy gevalt!
Reality
Yes. Too centrist…are you so far to the right that you are incapable of seeing where the center lies? Debate your fellow Americans? Are you implying I am not an American?
josef
December 14th, 2011
6:44 pm
Brosephus
I speak, read and/or write some other languages, but, d*mn, try as I might, I cannot get a handle on THAT one…!
redneckbluedog
December 14th, 2011
6:46 pm
Engineering jobs, enviromental study jobs, permitting jobs, administrative jobs…..GOVERNMENT JOBS…!!! HELL YES…!!!!!
Mick
December 14th, 2011
6:49 pm
Here’s a thought for my right wing friends: First off, cheney is an idiot, no creativity. What we should do is equip every drone with a self destruct button. Put out some psy-ops about a new top secret drone capability and let our enemies salivate about capturing one. Then, crash land one in iran, let their military collect it and beat their chests…..kaboommmmmmmmm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
6:51 pm
josef, you speak jive? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa1rjCZxtxo
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
6:52 pm
Mick, trojan drones?
Mick
December 14th, 2011
6:54 pm
keep
Yeah, I like it, what’s old is sometimes still new…
Erwin's cat
December 14th, 2011
6:55 pm
Mick – shhhhh!
the drone in Iran right now could be a trojan horse…if they actually have one
Erwin's cat
December 14th, 2011
6:56 pm
Keep
josef
December 14th, 2011
6:56 pm
good fight
One of the funniest and best pieces of writing ever done for film
getalife
December 14th, 2011
6:57 pm
Looks like the house voted for defense spending.
Another failure to cut spending.
Get em cons.
Mick
December 14th, 2011
6:58 pm
cat
Yes, I forgot how closely bookman’s blog is monitored in iran, they are convinced it is a scrambled code and it has them tied up in knots…..
getalife
December 14th, 2011
6:58 pm
I don’t think that is one of our drones.
Propaganda war.
Erwin's cat
December 14th, 2011
7:00 pm
Mick
are you sayin it’s not scrambled code?
Jeremy
December 14th, 2011
7:01 pm
Even if it creates only one job, then that’s one more than Obama has created.
josef
December 14th, 2011
7:02 pm
Mick
@ 6:58
And what is that supposed to mean?
Doggone/GA
December 14th, 2011
7:04 pm
“Even if it creates only one job, then that’s one more than Obama has created”
Now see, you all need to get your talking points coordinated better. We’ve been told it’s not the President’s job to create jobs. Now is it, or isn’t it?
Erwin's cat
December 14th, 2011
7:06 pm
what better way to send them another stuxnet to them…put wings on a box with a usb port and usa decal on it…and crash it near the intelligence center
Doggone/GA
December 14th, 2011
7:09 pm
We do omelets here, not scrambled code
AmVet
December 14th, 2011
7:10 pm
Thanks a lot for the gold and frankincense, but don’ t worry too much about the myrrh next time…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiCgR_m1JIw
Brosephu
December 14th, 2011
7:10 pm
Keep
Cutty say he can’t hang…
Bill Orvis White
December 14th, 2011
7:13 pm
Wrong again. It’s called collateral job creation which would most likely be around 40,000 new permanent, high quality jobs. As the pipeline gets worked on, jobs supporting it will blossom in the form a local workers in nearby restaurants feeding the hard-working, non-unionized men. Local clothiers will put threads on the mens’ backs. Local car dealers will sell and maintain the mens’ autos so that they can get to the work sites. You see, Liberal Jay, job$ are a number one priority of the rightful Republican Party. It’s the Socialist-Democrat Party of the once-free US of A that wishes to expand the Nanny State in the form of unemployment, Social Insecurity, Mediraid and Mediscare handouts. WE THE PEOPLE in the form of Tea Party Republicans believe in the private sector which has THE ABILITY TO CREATE MILLIONS OF JOB$ WHEN BIG GOV’T GETS OUT OF THE WAY!!!!!!
Unfortunately, Hussein Obama, Hairy Reid, Nanny Pelosi + Bawney Frank are blocking this much-needed job/independent source of energy program because they wish to play puppets on a string to the far-left secular tree hugger movement. This enviro-whacko crowd only wishes to advance big gov’t instead of the free markets which folk like Liberal Jay and his friends including Denny Kucinich absolutely hate. The pro-environment movement has a pro-socialistic agenda bent on turning this once-free nation into a Euro-secular socialist country.
A President Gingrich WOULD fast-track this much-needed pipeline which would immediately cease and desist our dependence on foreign sources of oil. WE THE PEOPLE KNOW that job$ WILL BE created from this pipeline.
Merry Christmas and Amen,
Bill
Brosephus
December 14th, 2011
7:13 pm
Dang, I laughed my “s” off!!!!!
USMC
December 14th, 2011
7:14 pm
“First off, cheney is an idiot, no creativity..”
LOL! Dick Cheney has more intelligence and accomplishment in his right pinky than all of you Leftwing Socialist Haters combined.
Go easy on the Koolaid, Mick! LOL!
Steve - USA
December 14th, 2011
7:14 pm
I see that Jon Stewart was given a “Pants on Fire” for his statements about Congress working on Christmas. Sad to think some people watch a comedy show to get their news, many of them the usual 24/7 posters here.
http://www.politifact.com/rhode-island/statements/2011/dec/09/jon-stewart/comic-jon-stewart-says-early-congress-met-most-chr/
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 14th, 2011
7:18 pm
And Steve, if you looked carefully, you would see that Stewart was given a “pants-on-fire” for relying on a claim by the History Channel. But certainly that should be the focus of your attack rather than a few of the complete gaffes by Fox in the past few days.
Brosephus
December 14th, 2011
7:19 pm
I am thoroughly enjoying the twisting and spinning that’s going on here about job creation with this one pipeline. It’s especially comical because the people spinning the job impact are the very same people who dispute stimulus impact using the same methodology. I guess it’s only fabricating numbers if it doesn’t prove your particular ideological leaning.
Erwin's cat
December 14th, 2011
7:20 pm
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