Mitt’s problem: Just 29 percent of GOP calls him conservative

A new NBC/Wall Street Journal poll is out this morning, and its results add hard numbers to the picture of the GOP race sketched out in the column I posted earlier. The divergence of viewpoints between voters in the GOP primary and those of Americans in general is significant.

wsjpoll

In a two-man primary race, Newt Gingrich crushes Mitt Romney among Republican voters by a 23-point margin. That’s because nearly two-thirds of GOP voters view Romney as being either liberal or moderate. Only 29 percent view him as somewhat or very conservative. By contrast, 57 percent view Gingrich as conservative.

But once you leave RepublicanWorld and enter the mainstream, things change. If the election were held today, President Obama would crush Gingrich by 11 points and probably more. That’s because swing voters — defined in the poll as those who say they are open to voting to candidates of both parties — dislike Gingrich by a 3-1 margin. Just 16 percent view him favorably, compared to 48 percent who view him unfavorably. Overall, half of voters say flat-out that they will not vote for him.

Among other interesting nuggets from the poll:

– Seventy-five percent of voters grade this Congress as below average (33 percent) or one of the worse (42 percent). That’s a much higher number than in the tumultuous election years of 2010 (60 percent below average or worse), 2006 (56 percent) and 1994 (44 percent). Throw in the fact that 2012 is a redistricting year in which some incumbents will face new voters, and the potential for a housecleaning is real.

– Which way will that change go? The approval/disapproval rating for Republicans in Congress is 26/69, compared to 31/62 for Democrats, but it’s hard to predict how that plays out in individual districts. Seventeen percent believe the problem with Congress is the refusal of Republicans to cooperate with Obama. Six percent say the problem is Obama’s refusal to cooperate with Republicans.

– The big difference emerges on the question of which party is most likely to look out for the middle class. Forty-four percent say Democrats, compared to just 24 percent for Republicans. Numbers like that are driving Obama’s Osawatomie speech and the payroll-tax dispute.

– Obama’s biggest two accomplishments are said to be the killing of Osama bin Laden and completing the withdrawal from Iraq; his two biggest failings are viewed as the economy and failing to control spending.

– Jay Bookman

478 comments Add your comment

Talking Head

December 14th, 2011
8:54 am

“his two biggest failings are viewed as the economy and failing to control spending.”

And that is why he will not win re-election. No independent voter support this time, buddy.

Jm

December 14th, 2011
8:56 am

Gary Johnson has a nice piece at Politico

Too bad he’s way under the radar. He shouldn’t have smoked so much pot and hennight have a chance.

If you want to clean up government, elect Romney

HDB

December 14th, 2011
8:56 am

If the American electorate HONESTLY sees what the GOP is doing, they’ll change their tune!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/opinion/the-insidious-fine-print-in-the-spending-bill.html?_r=1&hp

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2011
8:57 am

It’ll be Mitt.

The GOP powers that be will make it happen.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2011
8:57 am

Seems like the 99% will have a real impact on this election, especially now that the DOJ and ACLU have started efforts to stop Republican voter suppression

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2011
8:58 am

Oh, but President Obama will beat Mitt.

Jm

December 14th, 2011
8:58 am

My wife has said she would vote for Obama over newt

Ugh.

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:00 am

I have a hard time believing foreign policy trumps economics (jobs) at the actual polling station

We’ll see

HDB

December 14th, 2011
9:01 am

ty webb

December 14th, 2011
9:03 am

Jm,
I like Gary Johnson. It’s a shame he’s not allowed in debates, and santorum and bachmann are.

HDB

December 14th, 2011
9:04 am

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:00 am

I have a hard time believing foreign policy trumps economics (jobs) at the actual polling station

It doesn’t….but if you understand the cause/effect relationship…….who caused what and the effect it has…..and you’re HONEST about it……then you would know what and WHO caused the problems we’fre facing….the effect it’s having…..and what needs to be done to fix it!! (HINT: Republicans were the cause, you know the effect! That’s a HISTORICAL perspective…not just a BUSHwhacked perspective!))

Patrick

December 14th, 2011
9:04 am

Jm–

I’d suggest every man do his best to keep his wife away from Newt. :)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2011
9:04 am

HDB, thanks for the article. Not surprising that its just one of many dirty tricks. It would be nice to see more effort undertaken to stop these dirty tricks. And for some of our posters who are lost to reality, I really don’t care who undertakes the dirty tricks, they all need to be stopped and prosecutions made.

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:05 am

Fire the sub AAA president

ty webb

December 14th, 2011
9:05 am

relax lefties, you want need to sir up fake voter suppression poutrages…Obama’s got this in the bag…Don’t you read bookman?

larry

December 14th, 2011
9:06 am

Christine O’Donnell just endorsed Romney. Wasnt she part of the tea party ?

And wasnt she the one who said she wasnt a witch ?

USinUK

December 14th, 2011
9:07 am

“That’s because swing voters — defined in the poll as those who say they are open to voting to candidates of both parties — dislike Gingrich by a 3-1 margin. Just 16 percent view him favorably, compared to 48 percent who view him unfavorably. Overall, half of voters say flat-out that they will not vote for him.”

YEAH, BABBEE!!!!

and the more they learn about him, the worse those numbers are going to get.

USinUK

December 14th, 2011
9:07 am

“Fire the sub AAA CONGRESS”

there.

fixed yonder type-o

Brosephus

December 14th, 2011
9:07 am

HDB

The last paragraph from your 8:56 link is something that should be posted daily to show how corrupt and completely untrustworthy all politicians have become.

When Republicans took over the House last year, they pledged to “end the practice of packaging unpopular bills with ‘must-pass’ legislation.” If any of them wonder why the popularity of Congress is at an all-time low, they need only flip through their violation of that pledge on virtually every page of this legislation.

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:08 am

HDB
Everyone does know who caused it. W and Barney

But neither are running for President so that’s an irrelevant argument

carlosgvv

December 14th, 2011
9:09 am

These figures indicate just how much the Tea Party has taken over among Republican voters. If the majority of Americans slide into the insane embrace of RepublicanWorld, our desent toward the bottom will only intensify. We can only hope the majority of American voters come to their senses and not put another crazed religious right-winger in office.

USinUK

December 14th, 2011
9:09 am

Larry – 9:06 – well, given that she’s the anti-masturbation candidate, I can only surmise that Newt’s peccadilloes don’t really blow her political skirts up …

AmVet

December 14th, 2011
9:11 am

Conservative – what a completely meaningless word.

These frauds are as conservative as I am Kenyan.

To wit, they SWORE up and own for eight straight years that the Boy Emperor and his bumbling gang of incompetents were the epitome of conservatism! Even though anyone with an IQ over 80 could see back in 2000 that he, and they, were anything but. The rogue cowboys (LOL!) just convinced these not very bright dupes that hating liberals was the exact equivalent of conservatism.

IT IS NOT.

And now it has become so laughable and they have so fallen in love with their made up definitions, that listening to them anymore is like trying to decipher a language from a sci-fi novel.

Combined with an obvious lack of intellectual curiosity and voila!

Welcome to the NEW Republican Party of the 1950s!!! (Where everybody but them is a socialist…)

TaxPayer

December 14th, 2011
9:11 am

I think the Generic Republican beats every actual Republican hands down. Republican voters must express their true desires at the polls — write in your choice but remember to spell “generic” with a capital G so folks will know it is a proper noun. :lol:

USinUK

December 14th, 2011
9:12 am

GO TIME!!!

Interesting choice:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2101745_2102132,00.html

Their person of the year?

THE PROTESTER.

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:14 am

Gallup USA today swing state poll shows Obama has a tough road ahead

Granny Godzilla

December 14th, 2011
9:15 am

USinUK

I’m with ya’ on that.

Good for Time.

Adam

December 14th, 2011
9:17 am

Why are they still matching Obama up against “Generic Republican”? It’s too late for anyone else to get into the race!

Jimmy62

December 14th, 2011
9:18 am

“Forty-four percent say Democrats, compared to just 24 percent for Republicans. Numbers like that are driving Obama’s Osawatomie speech and the payroll-tax dispute.”

Yet the middle class has gone down a lot faster with Obama’s solutions than before Obama.

Adam

December 14th, 2011
9:20 am

Talking Head: And that is why he will not win re-election. No independent voter support this time, buddy.

Because they’ll TOTALLY support Mitt or Newt. Yeah right :roll:

RB from Gwinnett

December 14th, 2011
9:20 am

“Obama’s biggest two accomplishments are said to be the killing of Osama bin Laden and completing the withdrawal from Iraq”

That’s nice. I give him all due credit for making a tough decision on sending troops vs sending a cruise missle, but he did accomplish this dangerous task from the safety of a conference table.

Withdrawl from Iraq was not really his decision, was it? His options were to stay and have our troops subject to Iraqi law or leave. And he didn’t have the political skills to extend our stay so he’s leaving with his tail between his legs and the liberal media conveniently leaving out the truth behind the withdrawl. Nice cheerleading, Jay. You can cash your DNC paycheck with pride.

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:20 am

Yeah usinuk

They reference all the protests abroad first and foremost

Occupy is a dim second thought

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2011
9:20 am

but but but…. the OWS and the protest movements are dead. Fox told us so.

GO peaceful protestors!

Ross Perot

December 14th, 2011
9:20 am

How about this brilliance? Lets use taxpayer money to manufacture high cost biofuel at rates much higher than regular fuel, and put the taxpayers on the hook for 15 dollar a gallon fuel for the military. Yup, this is the Bozo I want running this country into the ground.
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/12/13/navy-buys-biofuels-for-15-per-gallon-from-stimulus-linked-firm/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

USinUK

December 14th, 2011
9:21 am

“Yet the middle class has gone down a lot faster with Obama’s solutions than before Obama.”

care to support that with some stats – and, please be specific with how it was “obama’s solutions” that drove them down …

AmVet

December 14th, 2011
9:21 am

62, funny that, huh?

Are you familiar with the phrase 32 feet per second squared?

The consequences of your heroes driving the American economy over the cliff and into a free fall…

USinUK

December 14th, 2011
9:22 am

Keep – “the OWS and the protest movements are dead. Fox told us so. ”

and, don’t forget, Jm told us they are irrelevant.

Doggone/GA

December 14th, 2011
9:22 am

RP – You’re WAY late with that one, someone beat you to it yesterday

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 14th, 2011
9:22 am

We all knew that after McCain the GOP would look for a Southern male for 2012. I thought it would be mush-mouth Haaaillley Baarrbbboouuurrr. He is governor and “true” conservative.

Never did I guess it would be Newt – a fake Georgian! Mark Sanford was in line but he went out when he cheated on his wife.

Now you have a SERIAL adulterer fake good ole boy!

Talking Head

December 14th, 2011
9:23 am

Adam,

The (Obama) hype is not real. Do you speak to anyone outside of this blog? I think you’ll find that the majority of people are ready for real ‘change.’

Mary Elizabeth

December 14th, 2011
9:23 am

“Obama’s biggest two accomplishments are said to be the killing of Osama bin Laden and completing the withdrawal from Iraq; his two biggest failings are viewed as the economy and failing to control spending.”
————————————————————————–

Killing of bin Laden and completing withdrawal from Irag – happened within the last 6 months

The weakened economy and controlling spending – happened within the last 5 years and continues into the future
————————————–
We will be a better nation when voters see beyond the momentary and hold past, present, and future in their consciousness at once, when they make wise choices. For instance, now the weakened economy has stabliized and is slowly growing. More spending than usual had to be granted in Obama’s first years because the stimulus funds were needed to secure financial stability. Healthcare costs have been a driving factor of national expenses in the past decade. Obamacare would help lessen those expenses in the next decade. Those are all examples of seeing beyond the momentary. Hopefully, citizens who take polls in the future be able to see with a wider horizon than simply the immediate.

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:24 am

Other “persons of the year”

Hitler, Stalin twice, Khomeini, Newt, Ken Starr, W

TaxPayer

December 14th, 2011
9:24 am

Why would the military want to use biofuel when they can get all the fuel they want for free over in Iraq! :roll:

Brosephus

December 14th, 2011
9:24 am

Yet the middle class has gone down a lot faster with Obama’s solutions than before Obama.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, it’s not the 30+ year freefall that kills you… It’s the sudden stop at the bottom of the cliff.

Talking Head

December 14th, 2011
9:24 am

“care to support that with some stats – and, please be specific with how it was “obama’s solutions” that drove them down …”

aka, Bush’s fault (even though Obama is President)

misty fyed

December 14th, 2011
9:25 am

It’s way too early for comparing numbers to Obama. I mean.. He’s still yet to be asked a hard question. One month ago, Who’d have thought Newt would be where he is today.

Brosephus

December 14th, 2011
9:26 am

How about this brilliance? Lets use taxpayer money to manufacture high cost biofuel at rates much higher than regular fuel, and put the taxpayers on the hook for 15 dollar a gallon fuel for the military. Yup, this is the Bozo I want running this country into the ground.

http://tinyurl.com/2cgpoc3

godless heathen

December 14th, 2011
9:27 am

When the President’s biggest accomplishment is nodding yes to a plan presented to him by military leaders, it is a sad statement about his presidency.

ByteMe

December 14th, 2011
9:28 am

I mean.. He’s still yet to be asked a hard question.

And when he does, expect the anti-media dripping sarcasm before he gets to an answer that makes everyone else feel stupid.

Yeah, that’s a winner for sure.

Talking Head

December 14th, 2011
9:28 am

“Healthcare costs have been a driving factor of national expenses in the past decade. Obamacare would help lessen those expenses in the next decade.”

Yes, healthcare costs have been driving up national expenses. How exactly is Obamacare going to lessen those expenses? By adding more people to Medicaid which doesn’t reimburse the cost of care?

USinUK

December 14th, 2011
9:29 am

Other “persons of the year”

FDR, Ghandi, Churchill, Eisenhower, Pope John XXIII, and YOU …

ByteMe

December 14th, 2011
9:31 am

USinUK: you forgot Bradley Cooper.

Oh, wait, that was another list.

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 14th, 2011
9:32 am

Why NOT bring Mark Sanford back into the GOP race?

After Cain and Newt – he is positively a role model.

RB from Gwinnett

December 14th, 2011
9:35 am

‘Why NOT bring Mark Sanford back into the GOP race?

After Cain and Newt – he is positively a role model.”

Along with Kennedy, Clinton, and Edwards?

Glass house?

Butch Cassidy

December 14th, 2011
9:35 am

RB fromGwinnett – “And he didn’t have the political skills to extend our stay so he’s leaving with his tail between his legs and the liberal media conveniently leaving out the truth behind the withdrawl.”

Are you speaking about Obama or Bush? Bush wanted to extend the tour, but got shut down by the Iraqi government. Obama tried again, but ultimately ended up honoring the withdrawl date that Bush established. What is it with you? This is the second time that you’ve railed against Obama for simply adhering to the policies set by the Bush adminstration.

Yesterday was a drawn out debate over the Bush tax cuts, now it’s Obama who pulled out of Iraq with his tail between his legs because he dared to follow a withdrawl time table established under Bush.

I’m not a real fan of Obama, I sure as hell won’t lay blame on him for simply following the game paln that your boys put in place.

Peadawg

December 14th, 2011
9:35 am

“My wife has said she would vote for Obama over newt

Ugh.”

You have a smart wife.

USMC

December 14th, 2011
9:35 am

More Lunacy from Liberal DemocRats:

New Haven Asks State to Allow Non-Citizens to Vote
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/New-Haven-Asks-State-to-Allow-Non-Citizens-to-Vote–135569598.html

The lack of intelligence and outright stupidity that defines the DemocRatic party will be it’s downfall. :-)

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:36 am

I really don’t like Newt
Romney please

Butch Cassidy

December 14th, 2011
9:38 am

The folks who said they would vote for “Generic Republican” over Obama, have clearly never met RB from Gwinnett. :)

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:38 am

I cannot fathom why the GOP would pick newt

The guy denounced the creative destruction of capitalism last week

Mind boggling

Brosephus

December 14th, 2011
9:38 am

Butch

RB’s part of the “Blame Obama” for everything group. According to their by-laws, Obama MUST be blamed for everything that happened after 1/20/2009 because on 1/19/2009 everything was peach keen. The world prior to 1/19/2009 was perfect. Nobody died from cancer, the economy was steaming along growing at a record pace, and real estate was still gaining value. :)

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:40 am

Newt attacked Paul ryan’s plan as right wing social engineering

Please don’t tell me newt is going to be the nominee

misty fyed

December 14th, 2011
9:40 am

It must be sad to be a democrat where you have to excuse any action Obama takes by blaming it on someone else. I was young but I remember Ronald Reagan. He inherited an absolute mess but I don’t remember him blaming Carter at all. You guys have no class.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2011
9:40 am

“his two biggest failings are viewed as the economy and failing to control spending.” True dat!

Ross Perot

December 14th, 2011
9:41 am

Healthcare costs have been a driving factor of national expenses in the past decade. Obamacare would help lessen those expenses in the next decade.”
How do you know this for a fact? If the cost of the healthcare for the middle class goes up under Obamacare to support the low income and eventual illegals which will be stuck back in the legislation as soon as O gets controll of the house and senate again, that will leave less disposable income for spending into the economy. Have you seen what it will cost you? Do you believe the numbers that the creators of this turd are accurate? Here’s a tip…to garner support for legislation that politicians want they will always cook the figures and sell you on a turd. Also, once a tax is enacted, it never goes away!

Brosephus

December 14th, 2011
9:42 am

USMC

You must be unknowledgabe in the fact that non-citizens have been able to vote in municipal elections for a long time where it’s legal to do so. Green card holders are only barred from voting in federal elections by law. It’s up to state and local law to determine whether they can vote or not. Maybe you should study things a bit more before trying to call somebody out due to a lack of intelligence because it may just keep you from exposing yours. ;)

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 14th, 2011
9:43 am

Tall

December 14th, 2011
9:43 am

…”Obama’s biggest two accomplishments are said to be the killing of Osama bin Laden and completing the withdrawal from Iraq; his two biggest failings are viewed as the economy and failing to control spending….”

That list is…, um, kind of brief. No wonder the usual topic of discussion is the incompetentcy Republicans.

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:43 am

If it’s newt v Obama, I am going to need a barf bag at the polling station

No matter which way I vote

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2011
9:44 am

Wow, USMC just called the founding fathers stupid when they said no taxation without representation. USMC hates America :lol:

ATL-9

December 14th, 2011
9:44 am

I wouldn’t worry too much about that if I were Mitt.

I used to be a conservative but the meaning of that term has been pushed so far to the right that most Republican voters no longer meet the idealogical test for being conservative either.

Today Reagan would be labeled a moderate so it’s not such a bad place to be and Gingrich who was once a champion of conservatism could no longer pass the test to be considered a member of the conservative camp.

Butch Cassidy

December 14th, 2011
9:45 am

misty fyed – “It must be sad to be a democrat where you have to excuse any action Obama takes by blaming it on someone else.”

Riiiiiight. As opposed to giving the GOP a free pass on everything. So glad I don’t align with either party, the sheep are so busy crapping on themselves that they can’t even smell their own stink.

HDB

December 14th, 2011
9:45 am

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:08 am

If you REALLY want to know how it started….go back to the Keating 5 and Neil Bush, the repeal of Galss-Stegall pushed by Phil Gramm…then W…..

Brosephus

December 14th, 2011
9:07 am

AIN’T THAT THE TRUTH!!

Soothsayer

December 14th, 2011
9:46 am

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:46 am

Ooooo. Below a trillion? Really?

So Financial armmaggeddon will happen in 2016 instead of 2015?

Whew. Thanks for that great news.

Butch Cassidy

December 14th, 2011
9:46 am

HDB – ” the repeal of Galss-Stegall pushed by Phil Gramm”

I agree with you, but you have to remember that Clinton was big part of that as well.

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2011
9:47 am

Reagan was too much of a man. Too much of a leader to spend his whole presidency blaming his predecessor despite the significantly worse economic picture that he inherited with double digit inflation, interest rates, and basically the same unemployment as what Obama inherited. Its hard to waste time complaining about your predecessor when you are busy rolling up your sleeves and going to work. Leave the whining to liberals. Its what they do best.

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:48 am

Hdb

I know all the history. But liberals just like to blame W so I am dealing with that for now.

Conveniently you left out Clinton, rubin…. Etc

Liberals are a joke

Mary Elizabeth

December 14th, 2011
9:51 am

Ross Perot@ 9:41

I know if the private insurance companies do not have a check on their continuously increasing costs given to policyholders, more citizens will go bankrupt, especially when they are denied coverage for specific health issues. Obamacare is that check on private insurance.

Moreover, private insurance delivery is profit based; government is not. Example: Medicare vs. Medicare Advantage. As a policyholder of private insurance, you have to pay for profit margins and large CEO bonuses.

Butch Cassidy

December 14th, 2011
9:51 am

Thulsa Doom – “despite the significantly worse economic picture that he inherited with double digit inflation, interest rates, and basically the same unemployment as what Obama inherited.”

Not quite Doomy. The economy preceding Obama was built purely on credit. In Regans time, people were not using their homes as an ATM, Glass Steagall was still in place, and the finacial institutions were still heavily regulated. There is a HUGE difference between an economy sliding into recession based on established business principles, and one basically imploding due the loss of easy credit. The numbers might be similiar, but Reagan recessions and the Obama recession are HUGELY different.

HDB

December 14th, 2011
9:51 am

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2011
9:40 am

“his two biggest failings are viewed as the economy and failing to control spending.” True dat!

That would be Bush, wouldn’t it?? Remember: It took GOVERNMENT SPENDING to keep the nation from going into a DEPRESSION…..it took GOVERNMENT SPENDING tosave the financial system…and it STARTED with TARP…the BUSH Administration!!

Don’t blame Obama for what Bush got us into!!!

ByteMe

December 14th, 2011
9:51 am

Reagan was too much of a man. Too much of a leader to spend his whole presidency blaming his predecessor

Huh.

9/26/84
President Reagan claims the latest Beirut bombing is the fault of Jimmy Carter, who he said “presided over the destruction of our intelligence capability.” Carter responds that Reagan tends “to blame his every mistake and failure on me and others who served before him.”

Uh huh. Thulsa #FAIL again.

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2011
9:51 am

He inherited an absolute mess but I don’t remember him blaming Carter at all.

You have a lousy memory, then. See also:

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/01/28/barack-obama-and-the-blame-bush-argument/

Welcome to the Occupation

December 14th, 2011
9:52 am

Jm: I cannot fathom why the GOP would pick newt

The guy denounced the creative destruction of capitalism last week.

How dare he. See, you just watch. If he ever does get elected president, he’ll make Barack Obama and his compromising ways look like child’s play. At bottom, though Newt is an ideologue par excellence, the one thing that rivals his ideological fidelity is his secret fascination with power, of any type. So he’s destined to break quite a few conservative hearts, should he ever get elected. His negative words about Paul Ryan’s budget was just a taste of what would follow.

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:52 am

Thulsa

Obama really is a lame pathetic person

RB from Gwinnett

December 14th, 2011
9:53 am

“Are you speaking about Obama or Bush? ”

Are you not aware Bush left office 3 years ago and hasn’t had anything to do with Iraq since then? It has been OBAMA who has negotiated with the Iraqi’s for the last 3 years. It’s his watch, fools. He’s responsible.

Why are you people giving Obama credit for getting us out of Iraq if you’re telling me it has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM????????

You people are utterly PATHETIC LIARS. Geeeezzzzzzzzzzzzz……

Stevie Ray

December 14th, 2011
9:53 am

JAY et al,

In reviewing yesterday’s post in response to my cronyism data, I note I took a many poundings which is a good thing. I do appreciate the responses nonetheless.. A couple comments:

Can you tell me that MediaMatters (no different from Fox in terms of information based bias) is any more of a balanced source of data than any others out there? And since it appears our sources are equally not creditworthy respectively, is there any data source we can agree on? FACTCHECK.org? They have opined on Pelosi’s brother but I wasn’t able to find any other and have sent them an email to check on the larger loans/grants including Leucadia, Solar Trust and Sussman, and First Solar. So instead of your SHOUTDOWN approach and use of equally suspicious data source, let’s have a bona fide and balanced debate and find the actual truth.

To be clear, I was in no way suggesting that BO and current electorate is any different in terms of cronyism than prior adminstrations.

Jay

December 14th, 2011
9:53 am

Normal

December 14th, 2011
9:54 am

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2011
9:47 am

Yep, Reagan was a man. He was man enough to say it was good and proper to tax the rich more than the middle class. For that, Ronnie is a man, true and good.

ByteMe

December 14th, 2011
9:54 am

the one thing that rivals his ideological fidelity is his secret fascination with power

It’s no secret. He has talked in the past about how Clinton would turn him to Jello.

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 14th, 2011
9:54 am

“Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter”

Dick Cheney.

Talking Head

December 14th, 2011
9:54 am

Our federal government is spending at a rate the country cannot afford. Obama wants his followers to think we can afford it, if only the top 1% of earners would give a little bit more. This is a lie.

Democrats could vote to take every penny of the income of families who make $100,000, and it still doesn’t pay for our yearly federal budget. Why? They earn only $3.4 trillion in taxable income. Our president has spent $3.6 trillion this year.

Obama’s pollsters told him that his chance of being re-elected on his record was zero. All he had to do was make speeches about how the rich are too greedy to pay their fair share. And that’s what we’ve gotten for the past 3 months.

Obama’s done in 2012, book it.

Brosephus

December 14th, 2011
9:55 am

Doom

I don’t think anybody that’s knowledgable would say that Reagan inherited a worse economic situation than Obama did. Reagan’s situation was bad, but he also had the means (jobs) to power out of his. We, as a country, have lost so much of our job base that Obama was doomed from the time he was sworn in. I don’t think McCain would be in any different conditions had he been elected. Our country is reaping what has been sowed by 30+ years of outsourcing our manufacturing capabilities. Where other countries have their kids gaining engineering degrees, we have been laser focused on MBA’s. Accountants might be good at figuring out profits and losses, but I haven’t seen any accountant that can design the entire process of laying a highway or putting up a skyscraper.

We have pretty much been screwed by our own hubris, and it’s biting us in the ass now.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 14th, 2011
9:55 am

I see Thelma is in troll mode with lies and posts of pure absurdity…… 1983, 1982 state of union

Butch Cassidy

December 14th, 2011
9:55 am

RB from Gwinnett – “Why are you people giving Obama credit for getting us out of Iraq if you’re telling me it has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM????????”

I’ve done no such thing. As a matter of fact, I give Bush full credit for establishing the withdral table that Obama has followed. Why do you feel the need to make stuff up just to try and prove a point? If you actually supply facts rather than conjecture, you won’t have to project your own feelings dishonesty on to others.

Normal

December 14th, 2011
9:55 am

jm. I need to ask this…does it somehow make you feel better, make your life seem more meaninful,
by blaming President Obama for everything? I would really like to know.

stands for decibels

December 14th, 2011
9:57 am

That list is…, um, kind of brief.

It’s what the public perceives to be top accomplishments (per the polling), not a comprehensive list.

If you want something like that, you might start here.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2011
9:57 am

Sooth,

If you understand economics then you understand that austerity measures bring an incredible amount of economic pain the very short run. In the long run the conditions are then set for economic growth. But you have to go through that short term pain. There is no avoiding it.

A great example would be the 1981-82 recession that Volcker triggered in Reagan’s first 2 years in office. He had to trigger a recession in order to bring inflation and interest rates down to reasonable levels from which the economy could then grow.

The rest is history as the economy grew at an incredible 7% clip 2 1/2 years into the Reagan presidency. From the low point of the recession the Reagan economy then added 20 or 21 million new jobs overall, including 16 million for the duration of his presidency if he include the pain of the 81-82 recession. Contrast that to where we are 3 years into the Obama presidency. Its like night and day.

Even more disappointing is the fact that the Bush 2 recession was incredibly deep and severe. Likewise the recovery should have been in turn poised for a remarkable recovery given the severeness of the recession- the only way to go was up. In the past we have always recovered in great fashion from recessions. It has not been that way under this disastrous president.

Jay

December 14th, 2011
9:58 am

Stevie Ray, I appreciate your tone. However, I will continue to argue that a book by a Breitbart acolyte with so many proved mistakes and errors does not constitute “well-documented evidence.”

Also, while today you state that “I was in no way suggesting that BO and current electorate is any different in terms of cronyism than prior adminstrations,” just yesterday you were condemning what you called “BO’s record cronyism.”

HDB

December 14th, 2011
9:58 am

Jm

December 14th, 2011
9:48 am

All I’m saying is that it was conservative ideology that put us where we are now….granted, Clinton signed the repeal….but this is Republican policy!!

Thulsa Doom

December 14th, 2011
9:47 am
“Too much of a leader to spend his whole presidency blaming his predecessor despite the significantly worse economic picture that he inherited with double digit inflation, interest rates, and basically the same unemployment as what Obama inherited.”

Kinda off, there, Doom; the Carter economy was MUCH BETTER than what W left behind!! The economy wasn’t in free fall…and the financial system wasn’t on the verge of collapsing!! I LIVED through the Carter years….and they weren’t as bad as the Bush years……and as many try to portray!!