Political landscape may be shifting — for now — away from GOP

The Senate race between Republican Sen. Scott Brown and consumer advocate Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts will probably be the most closely watched in the nation, and for good reason. The contest has already proved to be a testing ground for themes expected to play out nationally, and in several cases, where Warren has pioneered successfully, the Obama campaign has followed. (A recent poll puts Warren up by seven points over Brown).

So it was interesting that last week, Karl Rove’s Crossroads operation started running the following ad in Massachusetts:

Warren is probably the woman most despised by Wall Street, in part because of her toughness with the banks in overseeing the TARP program. As The New York Times recently reported, Wall Street firms have already donated more than $1 million to Brown’s campaign in hopes of defeating her.

“Of the 20 companies that accounted for the most campaign donations to Mr. Brown, about half were prominent investment or securities firms like Morgan Stanley, Fidelity Investments and Bain Capital. His donors include such blue-chip names as Gary Cohn, the president of Goldman Sachs, and the hedge fund kings John Paulson and Kenneth Griffin….

“It’s not even about Scott Brown,” said one Wall Street executive, who asked for anonymity to discuss private discussions with his colleagues about the race. “It’s about: Do you want Elizabeth Warren in the Senate?”

Given that background, it’s instructive to see Rove trying to link Warren to “bailouts that helped pay big bonuses to bank executives while middle-class Americans lost out.” A little class warfare there, Karl? The GOP maestro has apparently concluded that voters will reject candidates who are seen as taking the side of Wall Street and rich bankers against the middle class, and he wants to get in on the winning side of the game.

I don’t think it’s going to work, but it does offer strong evidence that the GOP knows it has gotten the politics wrong.

It also feeds nicely into a piece published this morning in The Hill, pointing out that “the political winds have shifted to the Democrats’ backs over the last month.”

“President Obama is in better shape at the prospect of a prolonged GOP primary battle between former Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) and Mitt Romney. Democrats in the House have been buoyed by a series of court decisions on redistricting and Senate Democrats have recently landed potentially strong recruits in conservative-leaning states.

Democrats on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue have seized on the payroll tax extension, which has divided the GOP… A couple months ago, Republicans were optimistic that they had a good chance of running the White House and both chambers of Congress in January, 2013. But since then, that optimism has waned.”

The 2012 elections are still 11 months away, which is forever in political terms. Things can and will change, and Democrats would be fools to think that they can just ride the trends of the last couple of months all the way to November. However, indicators such as Rove’s lame attempt at economic populism and President Obama’s full-throated speech last week in Osawatomie suggest that they have found defensible ground.

– Jay Bookman

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Joe Hussein Mama

December 12th, 2011
8:41 am

Jay — ” As The New York Times recently reported, Wall Street firms have already donated more than $1 million to Brown’s campaign in hopes of defeating her.”

There’s your tell right there.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 12th, 2011
8:47 am

A couple months ago, Republicans were optimistic that they had a good chance of running the White House and both chambers of Congress in January, 2013. But since then, that optimism has waned

But but but…… Obama worse, polls and Bush is responsible for getting OBL…….

Would be nice to see one of our righties actually take the time to explain the position now taken by Rove’s group against those “evil corporate salaries and bonuses” and their prior positions………

And then we also might get world peace for Xmas.

USMC

December 12th, 2011
8:49 am

“…President Obama’s full-throated speech last week in Osawatomie…”-Jay

You mean the speech in Kansas where he stated that he was in Texas???? :-)

Thomas

December 12th, 2011
8:50 am

Good ole Elizabeth Warren-

You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces [sic] that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory—and hire someone to protect against this—because of the work the rest of us did.

Is she so blinded that she doesn’t know that the factory and its owners also paid their share of the taxes to build the road, pay the officers, etc? Whatever- life is an intelligence test.

USMC

December 12th, 2011
8:50 am

“Political landscape may be shifting — for now — away from GOP”–Jay Bookman

Yeah, keep thinking that way; just like during the Congressional elections in 2010… :-)

Normal

December 12th, 2011
8:51 am

As from their own conservative Book, and to paraphrase…The GOP have sown the wind and they will reap the whirlwind…

Adam

December 12th, 2011
8:51 am

The GOP maestro has apparently concluded that voters will reject candidates who are seen as taking the side of Wall Street and rich bankers against the middle class, and he wants to get in on the winning side of the game.

PRECISELY. Just like when conservatives call the Bush Tax Cuts the Obama tax cuts, they are doing it to refocus the BLAME for something they KNOW is wrong.

Jm

December 12th, 2011
8:51 am

Sort of off topic

Let me ask Gingrich supporters. If you’re a fiscal conservative Republican, do you think a guy who blows money at Tiffany’s all the time (Gingrich) is your guy? Or is the guy who packs his own uhaul trailer and drove a beater car until it died (Romney) your go to guy?

Aquagirl

December 12th, 2011
8:52 am

Wait….Wall Street is financing anti-Wall Street ads? I don’t know what’s bigger, the irony or the stupidity of Republican voters.

Adam

December 12th, 2011
8:53 am

Keep Up: They don’t NEED to explain. They can lie about anything so long as it supports the idea that OBAMA MUST GO or some nonsense. The fact is they just don’t want Obama in the White House and there is no rational reason behind it.

Normal

December 12th, 2011
8:54 am

Prediction: Elizabeth Warren will be President in 2016. Won’t that just stick in the GOP’s craw?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 12th, 2011
8:55 am

Well, I sure hope they leave Wall Street alone. Wall Street slips it to you without you noticing too much. I mean, it never even occurs to you that this mess we’re in with the economy is largely because of Wall Street and the worthless derivatives and bought-off rating cos. etc. I’d hate to get shafted by somebody that hurts.

Have a good Monday everybody.

Adam

December 12th, 2011
8:55 am

Aquagirl: I don’t know what’s bigger, the irony or the stupidity of Republican voters.

I’m going to wager on the latter….

Jm

December 12th, 2011
8:55 am

Jay. Why don’t you dial up a chart showing things are going in favor of the democrats. I don’t see it.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 12th, 2011
8:56 am

Adam, I know I have asked the impossible from those who are blinded by hatred. Would be nice to see the effort though ;)

Common Sense isn't very Common

December 12th, 2011
8:56 am

When the repubs say ANYBODY but Obama in the WH, They really mean it with this cast of characters :-)

All of them but Romney would never have stood a chance before

Granny Godzilla

December 12th, 2011
8:56 am

Mrs. Warren has the potential to be the first female President of the United States of America.

She’s marvelous.

Adam

December 12th, 2011
8:56 am

Normal: Elizabeth Warren will be President in 2016. Won’t that just stick in the GOP’s craw?

But she was just a Hah-vahd professor, has no military/private/business/cater-to-us-only experience! (Starting to sound familiar?) BTW, where’s her birth certificate?!?!?! (ok, that one won’t happen. She’s a woman, not a black man).

USMC

December 12th, 2011
8:57 am

“Prediction: Elizabeth Warren will be President in 2016. Won’t that just stick in the GOP’s craw?”
–Normal

‘Paaaass the duchey… from the lefthand side’ , Normal! :-)

Stevie Ray

December 12th, 2011
8:57 am

JAY,

Come on Jay…Scott Brown is sooo purdy:-)

I actually liked your column sunday about Senator Albers brainfart of a bill. As you know (and I recently learned) our brilliant legislature and DOL erroneously spent $53 million in 2009 of unemployment funds. I sent Senator Albers an email entitled “MORE BRILLIANCE FROM THE THEATRE OF THE ABSURD” asking him if he found that money before he decided such draconian tactics with which to boast to his money sources…..I note he also exhibited other brush’s with greatness vis a vis his workers compensation bill and especially his bill to relax gun laws in the event of a national emergency…

To be fair, he is no different IMO from others in our legislature regardless of party flavor…

Misty Fyed

December 12th, 2011
8:57 am

You know….Where a guy shops has absolutely nothing to do with who is the best choice for President. I realize that may be an alien concept to a party who celebrates what a person is instead of who he is…

Joseph

December 12th, 2011
8:57 am

I guess when you’re a biased liberal you would see a silver lining in almost anything. The problem is that polls don’t reflect what you’re saying Jaybird. The latest poll still has Republicans ahead of dems by 5 points in on a generic congressional ballot. Brown leads the moonbat Warren in the real clear poll and Obama still has an atrocious approval rating… Other than that I guess things are really looking up for the far left dominated dem party…. LOL…..

MountainMan

December 12th, 2011
8:57 am

So we have another speech as Obama’s accomplishment. Why doesn’t he do something instead of just talk about it? I guess during the campaign he will run on his record of the many speeches that he and TP gave.

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 12th, 2011
8:58 am

Warren will be the focal point for REGULATING the banks – something Republicans don’t want to do. They prefer writing $700 billion TARP checks.

TaxPayer

December 12th, 2011
8:58 am

Mitt. Newt. Actually either one as the GOP candidate is fine with me. When you’ve seen one pair of flip-flops, you’ve seen ‘em all. :lol:

philosopher

December 12th, 2011
8:58 am

@Jm- that’s a assumptive argument to which the answer is, “No, None of the above.”

Normal

December 12th, 2011
8:59 am

Adam,
The GOP know their ideology is so wrong that they are trying to suppress voting, and do what ever else they can to suppress democratic leaning voters. That silly Florida law about registering high school voters for example. The GOP is way too arrogant and it’s beginning to tick people off. November 2012 is going to be a major win for the Democrats if they’re not careful….

Adam

December 12th, 2011
8:59 am

Misty Fyed: I realize that may be an alien concept to a party who celebrates what a person is instead of who he is…

And when you look at Newt from either of those perspectives, what do you see? Anything AT ALL worthy of celebration?

Newt is a con man’s President. He offers nothing to anyone who plays by the rules.

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
9:00 am

“Let me ask Gingrich supporters. If you’re a fiscal conservative Republican, do you think a guy who blows money at Tiffany’s all the time (Gingrich) is your guy? Or is the guy who packs his own uhaul trailer and drove a beater car until it died (Romney) your go to guy?”

who are you and what have you done with Jm??

Adam

December 12th, 2011
9:00 am

Mountain Man: Why doesn’t he do something instead of just talk about it?

Someone’s been living under a rock.

Paul

December 12th, 2011
9:00 am

Rove’s soundling like an OWS protestor.

“it’s instructive to see Rove trying to link Warren to “bailouts that helped pay big bonuses to bank executives while middle-class Americans lost out.” A little class warfare there, Karl? The GOP maestro has apparently concluded that voters will reject candidates who are seen as taking the side of Wall Street and rich bankers against the middle class, and he wants to get in on the winning side of the game.”

It’s the Newt strategy. Forget your history, forget what happened. Create an alternate reality, like “Newt balanced the budget and Clinton went along” and count on Republicans waking up to every morning is a new reality. If you get called on it, spin like a top.

Thomas

I believe Warren’s point was not that factory owners did not pay taxes, it was that factory owners did not do it all by themselves.

St Simons - we're on Island time

December 12th, 2011
9:00 am

It is ironic that one of the original Republicans said “you can fool all the
people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you
can’t fool all the people all the time.”

But having no gene for irony, they won’t see that.

Stevie Ray

December 12th, 2011
9:03 am

ADAM,

There exists plenty of rational reason for BO to surrender after one term….the only reason I can see for him to remain in office another term is because it doesn’t really matter much who is in office…least not with the options we have. The BO administration has been one of the worst in recent memory when his body of work is reviewed….What happens halfway into his next term when he is still not taking responsibility for anything excepting approving the strike on OBL which was the result of years of efforts spanning both adminstrations? After 8 years, if he is still claiming unemployment et al is not his fault how will you respond?

Jm

December 12th, 2011
9:03 am

Usmc
Jay has to try to inspire the troops

It looks bleak for them :)

Adam

December 12th, 2011
9:04 am

Thomas: Is she so blinded that she doesn’t know that the factory and its owners also paid their share of the taxes to build the road, pay the officers, etc? Whatever- life is an intelligence test.

Not this crap again. Yeah dude, totally. She thinks that person didn’t do squat. She is just a leftist pinko commie liberal who wants to regulate you so much that you can’t even leave your house. At least she can’t take your gun for when the zombie liberals come for your food stash. Better make sure it’s less than 7 days worth, though.

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 12th, 2011
9:05 am

Rove is lying again, of course. While banks were on TARP they were executive pay restricted. Warren enforced that.

When Obama said AIG should not go to a big convention in Vegas using TARP money Steve Wynn went ballistic. He still hates Obama to this day. Wynn wanted that TARP money! Than scumbag.

Talking Head

December 12th, 2011
9:05 am

In the coming months, all of the candidates from both sides will be off their rockers with polarizing political jargon, that’s just the nature of the election season beast.

On a side note, it’s a shame that our Senators can be courted by groups from different states from which they reside in. Not that long ago Senators were elected by their state assemblies/state congresses, which made Senators look more after their states than the issues affecting states across the country. So the trend continues of shifting power away from individual states to a larger, centralized government which is clueless on how to govern the whole.

Adam

December 12th, 2011
9:05 am

Stevie Ray: There exists plenty of rational reason for BO to surrender after one term

No there isn’t. He has plenty of positive marks on his record. And no, I’m not going to list them AGAIN because if you have to ask it means you’re just being willfully ignorant.

Ask George Clooney.

Hell, ASK OSAMA BIN LADEN

Granny Godzilla

December 12th, 2011
9:05 am

“The BO administration has been one of the worst in recent memory when his body of work is reviewed”

Not intended to be a factual statement

Adam

December 12th, 2011
9:07 am

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck: Am I the only one that remembers some of the auto industry trying to form banks after the bailout passed so they could net some of the money?

RAMBLE ON!!!

December 12th, 2011
9:08 am

Let Taxassachusetts, have Warren.

Come Nov., the GOP will have the house, senate, and White House.

The USA will finally be saved from the Liberal Lunatics.

JohnnyReb

December 12th, 2011
9:08 am

Brown’s win in Mass was a referendum on Obamacare. Using his reelection as a indicator of National Republican support does not fly.

As to Obama’s full throated speech in Osawatomie, he and Warren sing from the same hymnal. Here’s the important and dividing point. Republicans want a level playing field that gives everyone the same opportunity. Obama and Warren want to make everything equal. Thus the wealth transfer idiology. Mass may elect Warren, that really would not be that big a surprise for that state, but the majority of Americans don’t want the wealth transfer.

Paul

December 12th, 2011
9:08 am

Granny Godzilla

Talking points aren’t factual statements?!!?

Jm

December 12th, 2011
9:08 am

If you want real reform in DC, elect Romney

The guy will clean things up

MountainMan

December 12th, 2011
9:09 am

Yeah Adam,

Typical lib response, attack the poster.

Jay

December 12th, 2011
9:09 am

Joseph, the polls showing Brown ahead were taken back in August and September. The most recent poll showing Warren up by 7 was conducted by the conservative Boston Herald.

In addition, Rasmussen is the only poll showing the GOP up in the generic congressional ballot.

Thomas

December 12th, 2011
9:11 am

I believe Warren’s point was not that factory owners did not pay taxes, it was that factory owners did not do it all by themselves

Paul- she explicitly and clearly said “the rest of us paid for”- there is no other interpretation. Defend the indefensible as you will. She truly believes, like a number of folks, that one has to rob their way to building a business. It is fruitless to try to change folks minds on what should be affectionately called “Jay’s Leftist Facebook Page. Anyway heading downtown to grab stuff from others that is owed to me because I am.

Granny Godzilla

December 12th, 2011
9:12 am

Paul

Well that one sure as hell ain’t.

But you know the deal, all those folks who complained about “forced down their throats” have and continue to swallow anything.

Stevie Ray

December 12th, 2011
9:12 am

ADAM,

“Presidents are ordinarily held accountable for economic growth, unemployment, national indebtedness….but not this time…responsibility lies with the rich…The great uniter declares war on the unholy 1%.

Your great uniters presidential resume includes: A massive stimulus with no valid evidence (sic W-2’s for created or saved jobs) of success; a gigantic payoff to DEM interests groups that will add $1 trillion to debt; new entitlement called healthcare in a nation that is hemorrhaging from unsustainable entitlements; heavy handed regulation with all the timing of a fart in church.

We are $15 trillion in debt and he wants class warfare to avoid the issues…Do you know that returning the “rich” to the pre Bush cuts tax rates will profoundly reduce the deficit from $1.3 TRILLIOM to $1.22 TRILLION? From this perspective wouldn’t you agree that attacking the rich should be just a fraction of his strategy?

Steve

December 12th, 2011
9:13 am

Obama was in our 57th state…Texas….woopsy…make that Kansas.

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 12th, 2011
9:13 am

Adam-

GMAC was long a part of General Motors and was spun off during the bankruptcy. They are now Ally Financial.

Ally received a lot of federal help and is now a stand alone mortgage and auto finance company.

Ford kept Ford Motor Credit.

I retired from banking/finance. Thewingnuts on the right are completely ignorant on the subjects.

“Barney Frank!!!”

Granny Godzilla

December 12th, 2011
9:14 am

“She truly believes, like a number of folks, that one has to rob their way to building a business”

Not intended to be a factual statement.

USMC

December 12th, 2011
9:14 am

“Jay has to try to inspire the troops. It looks bleak for them”–JM

Hey JM, yeah Obama’s numbers are tanking.. and no… I won’t display charts & graphs for the Lazy minded Liberals to see.

When politicians start to push the Class warfare angle, it’s a pretty good indicator of desperation and that they have NOTHING to run on. Oh yeah, the CIA and Navy Seals killed Osama bin Laden. Other than that Obama has been a total disaster of a president; a la Jimmy Carter.

But let leftwing ideologues like Jay keep parroting their Moveon.org propaganda.

Obama Loses in 2012 and more importantly, DemocRats lose the Senate back to Republican control.

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
9:14 am

“(ok, that one won’t happen. She’s a woman, not a black man).”

so, what you’ll get with her is “who took care of your CHILDREN when you were out WORKING, you harlot!!!???!!!”

Adam

December 12th, 2011
9:14 am

MoountainMan: Typical lib response, attack the poster.

Why not? You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. Besides, all you did was lob a baseless attack against the President.

ty webb

December 12th, 2011
9:15 am

“republican vs. ‘consumer advocate”…guess we know who jay’s pulling for…pamphlets! get your pamphlets here!

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
9:15 am

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

this chart says a lot of things …

tanking ain’t one of them.

Adam

December 12th, 2011
9:16 am

From this perspective wouldn’t you agree that attacking the rich should be just a fraction of his strategy?

Yes I would. I would also say that “attacking the rich” is NOT his only strategy.

Daedalus

December 12th, 2011
9:16 am

Isn’t it time to focus on the College Football Bowls and not the clowns from Washington or the Gold Dome?

That said, Go Ducks!

The Struggle Between Good and Evil is Waged Everyday

December 12th, 2011
9:18 am

Things can and will change! :)

Indicators such as Rove’s lame attempt at economic populism and President Obama’s full-throated speech last week in Osawatomie suggest that they have found defensible ground.

Adam

December 12th, 2011
9:18 am

You know, if someone asked me if I approved of Obama’s job performance I would go with strongly disapprove just to screw up the numbers and keep the GOP in their relative blissland of polls like that one. It’s much more fun to see the shock and awe they will get when Obama wins in 2012.

Jm

December 12th, 2011
9:19 am

Usinuk
His economic approval ratings downright suck

And people vote their wallets at the end of the day

Paul

December 12th, 2011
9:19 am

Thomas

You’re straining on that. You base your entire belief system on something so paltry?

To say “the rest of us paid for” does not mean the owners did not.

Do you Really, Really, Really think someone of Warren’s intellect think the factory owners did not contribute ANY taxes? Really?

Unless you think they’re all GE, that is -

Jm

December 12th, 2011
9:20 am

Gallup headline: “obama’s November approval weak from historical perspective”

Oops

Adam

December 12th, 2011
9:21 am

HEADLINE: Fox News Anchor Is Shocked When Fox News Poll Says Obama Will Win

John K

December 12th, 2011
9:21 am

“USMC – “Political landscape may be shifting — for now — away from GOP”–Jay Bookman

Yeah, keep thinking that way; just like during the Congressional elections in 2010… :-)

What? Who in the world thought the landscape was shifting for the Dems in 2010? Everyone could see the writing on the wall. What was predicted is what we see happening; the GOP overreached and now they’re gonna have to pay.

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 12th, 2011
9:21 am

Elizabeth Warren represents the public anger at our banking system and Bush’s TARP. That alone is enough for her to win – especially in highly educated Massachusetts.

The poorly educated South? She would lose to a Jesse Helms Bible Thumper type.

Jm

December 12th, 2011
9:22 am

Lowest job approval rating post ww2 except Carter

And jay thinks democrats are ok

Very funny

Stevie Ray

December 12th, 2011
9:22 am

ADAM,

“No there isn’t. He has plenty of positive marks on his record. And no, I’m not going to list them AGAIN because if you have to ask it means you’re just being willfully ignorant.”

I listed my views (not all original of course) above….For the record, I didn’t ask you to list them and you don’t really know me well enough to label my ignorance…me like all of us was born ignorant but were made stupid by education….I’m wondering how different our respective educations were…

What on earth does George Clooney have to do with this? Does he still support BO? If so, I imagine so does Barbara Streisand….why would any artists who live in the land of make-believe be a source of your opinions? Has George changed stripes?

Jm

December 12th, 2011
9:23 am

What’s up with Obama denying access to birth control?

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
9:24 am

Jm – “And people vote their wallets at the end of the day”

no – at the end of the day, people go with what they know – and they don’t like what they know about the GOP right now.

“Lowest job approval rating post ww2 except Carter”

the difference is that NEWT is no REAGAN. (and neither is Mittens)

cosby

December 12th, 2011
9:24 am

Gee Jay, you really hate the Republican’s. Never mind that this country is in dire streights due to both parties and the political elitism that is maintained in DC. Harry Reid thinks it is his “JOB” to take “MONEY” back to Nevada. How about using some common sense are publish stories on all from the State to the Federal level regarding graft and corruption on both sides. How about a story on Obama aka Barry and if there was some dirty business on how he was out on the Indiana ballot. Or how about indepth investigation on Caine’s accusers and their relationship with SIEU or eve Axelrod. Or why did barney and Dodd protect Fannie and Freddie while they were the force behind our current economic woes. The tide is turning..could be as most of the young who have been indoctrinated by the Government Schools think big government is the answer and do not realize it is the enemy. When the Government starts to tell you how much you can make – your job is worth, how warm to keep your house in winter and how cool to keep it in summer or even what size house you can live in, or what kind of vehicle you can drive and how much you can drive it, or what kind of medical treatment you can receive…do not blame the Republicans but only your self centered gratificaton that you support BIG GOVERNMENT and failed to recognize the truck that will hit you…biased and stuiupid is proven each day with tihs blog.

Adam

December 12th, 2011
9:25 am

HEADLINE: Obama Defeats Romney in Global Poll Showing Republican Weakness

Jm

December 12th, 2011
9:26 am

Obama wants to run the world.

What a megalomaniac Obama is.

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
9:26 am

“What’s up with Obama denying access to birth control?”

Hyperbolate much?

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 12th, 2011
9:26 am

Jm

Bush reached the lowest job approval ever at 23% by a Bloomberg/LA Times poll in 2008. Obama’s low has been 38%.

Which is lower? Do you know math?

RAMBLE ON!!!

December 12th, 2011
9:27 am

Adam, don’t Bogart that joint!

Stevie Ray

December 12th, 2011
9:27 am

ADAM,

Your beef remains weak…didn’t you learn in Debate 101 that when you result to name calling that you have conceded the debate? Also, assuming that you are the brightest bulb (expensive green variety i presume) in the room is also a poor recipe for debate success…

saywhat?

December 12th, 2011
9:27 am

USinUK-”this chart says a lot of things …

tanking ain’t one of them”

But you are talking to USMC, one of those kings of “common knowledge”. No matter how wrong they may be, if they think it, it must be true, and according to them, everybody else knows its true as well.

Proof USMC is wrong only goes to show how far the liberal media will go to cover up the REAL truth.

Adam

December 12th, 2011
9:27 am

Stevie Ray: What on earth does George Clooney have to do with this?

He answered an interview question about the issue of Obama in a pretty succinct way. Basically, that if he had the power of the Republican Message Machine, he would be being sold as having had a very successful 3 years so far, and all of the points he used to make his case were true.

Jm

December 12th, 2011
9:28 am

Usinuk

I’ll pay attention to matchup polls after the GOP nomination fight is over

I think it’s possible that either newt or Romney can beat Obama

carlosgvv

December 12th, 2011
9:28 am

Wall Street’s hatred of Elizabeth Warren is just another proof of how badly they want a return to laissez faire. They know the Republicans will gladly hand this to them on a silver platter. Karl Rove, like all Republican politicans, thinks the voters will believe anything he says. Unfortunately, that is too often true.

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
9:28 am

“hate the Republican’s”

hate the Republican’s … what?

guts?
economic policy?
lack of ethics?

’s denotes the possessive case.

-15 points

Best wishes,
Conan the Grammarian

Adam

December 12th, 2011
9:29 am

Stevie Ray: Your beef remains weak…didn’t you learn in Debate 101 that when you result to name calling that you have conceded the debate? Also, assuming that you are the brightest bulb (expensive green variety i presume) in the room is also a poor recipe for debate success…

I would like you to please tell me how any of that is rising above the name calling, right after you tell me where I called you a name. Assuming you’re referring to MountainMan instead, there was never a debate there in the first place.

Paul

December 12th, 2011
9:30 am

Jm

“What’s up with Obama denying access to birth control?”

Wasn’t Pres Obama, it was HHS Sec Sebelius, who overruled the FDA and said teenage girls could not get the morning-after pill over the counter.

Y’know, that happened four of five days ago. I was wondering how long it would take for someone from the Right or a “life begins at conception’ advocate to cite this and give a ‘well done’ to the administraation.

I figured I would have to wait a lonnnnng time.

AmVet - If you're a Republican, please punch yourself in the face.

December 12th, 2011
9:31 am

Joseph has the Rovian smear machine’s talking points down to a tee. And yes, isn’t it a hoot that the “suddenly fiscal since January 21, 2009″ neo-cons are oh so mad at the banksters?! If it wasn’t so laughably transparent and if they still weren’t willing to line up to kiss bankster asses it would all be rather humorous.

Warren is a moonbat, huh?

To my way of thinking a moonbat is someone who knows absolutely nothing of relevance about a person and could not more make an intelligent case regarding them than could they explain wave particle duality.

But then Joseph could always prove me wrong and give it a go.

LOL…

Stevie Ray

December 12th, 2011
9:31 am

I was hoping someone who blindly supports BO could respond to my points in my orignal response at 9:12 am…I lifted those from Krauthammer who I don’t always agree with but we do share a sarcastic, yet realistic view of BO’b performance to wit…

ADAM, BO said himself that he would be a one-termer if he hadn’t fixed the economy…am i recalling that correctly?

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
9:32 am

“I’ll pay attention to matchup polls after the GOP nomination fight is over”

agree – there’s a lot of ground to cover between now and the GOP convention

“I think it’s possible that either newt or Romney can beat Obama”

and I think that Michael Kitchen is a sex biscuit … that doesn’t mean that he is or that I hold a commonly-held opinion …

USMC

December 12th, 2011
9:32 am

I loved the caption from this weekend:

Rick “I like Fast Cars and Fast Women” Perry had criticized Obama on his “christian” faith, so Obama gets the kids out and dusts off their Sunday “bestests” for a campaign photo op of the Obamas going to Church. LOL!

How dumb can DemocRats be??? Obama is a Snake Oil Saleman! :-)

Adam

December 12th, 2011
9:33 am

Paul: You know they can’t give Obama credit for anything. Any position he takes that is one traditionally held by Republicans must either be run away from, or seen as “he’s just saying that.”

I suppose if you want Newt or Mitt as your nominee, you probably think ALL politicians have no core values….

Granny Godzilla

December 12th, 2011
9:33 am

Jm

Are you dancing aroung stating that your position is that RU-486 SHOULD be available to 13 or 14 year olds with out a prescription?

How astonishingly liberal of you.

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
9:33 am

“Y’know, that happened four of five days ago. I was wondering how long it would take for someone from the Right or a “life begins at conception’ advocate to cite this and give a ‘well done’ to the administraation.”

and what do you get, instead??

he’s denying birth control!!!

it should be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

HadIt

December 12th, 2011
9:33 am

This is just another example of Rove’s signature campaign strategy–turn the opposition’s strength against him or her. Remember John Kerry? By the time Rove finished “Swift-boating” him, Kerry’s Vietnam service was his greatest liability. Rove will eventually paint Warren as a Wall Street whore, second only to Barney Frank in her evil designs to turn us into slaves under our new Secular/Muslim/Socialist masters.

John Galt

December 12th, 2011
9:33 am

Because socialist states are always a great symbol of proof for this blog….

Adam

December 12th, 2011
9:35 am

Stevie Ray: ADAM, BO said himself that he would be a one-termer if he hadn’t fixed the economy…am i recalling that correctly?

I don’t remember him saying that. Not that it would really matter if he did, he doesn’t get to predict that he is a one-issue President with a good record on so many other issues. He will be voted back in based on so much more than just the economy.

Jm

December 12th, 2011
9:35 am

Granny
I don’t have a position on it

I thought you liberal minded folks might have one

Apparently not (so far anyway)

Stevie Ray

December 12th, 2011
9:35 am

ADAM,

OK you got me being somewhat judgmental relative to your postings…that is against my program of sobreity so I will make amends to you now.

For the record, I was speaking in general terms about debate 101 and felt like you called me willingly ignorant earlier…

I do enjoy sparing with you:-) Do you still believe that the “breathtaking greed of a few is crushing the middle class? Seems to be your guy’s re-election battle cry. His resume alone will not get him new supporters….

Butch Cassidy

December 12th, 2011
9:36 am

Hmmm… So the message that the GOP machine put forth is this: Don’t pick on Wall Street, they need your money in order to create jobs. But then at the same time, they come out with: Don’t support Elizabeth Warren, she gave Wall Street all your money.

The GOP machine must have a cast iron stomach, because all this spinning makes me want to hurl.

Stevie Ray

December 12th, 2011
9:37 am

JOHN GALT,

Great moniker…I almost went with my favorite AR character HOWARD ROARK

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
9:37 am

Granny G – “is that RU-486 SHOULD be available to 13 or 14 year olds with out a prescription?”

it’s not RU 486 – it’s just Plan B