Mitt Romney lost a bet that he never got a chance to make

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When Mitt Romney reached out his hand in Saturday night’s debate, offering to shake on a $10,000 bet with Rick Perry, you knew that moment would be the one that would stick. After all, people don’t watch the debates for dry discussions of policy. They want to see the candidates in unscripted moments, under pressure, in hopes they will reveal something about their character and personality. That bet offer was such a moment.

I’ll leave it to others to wrangle about what, if anything, that scenario told us about Romney and instead focus on the facts of the case. At issue was whether in his book “No Apology,” Romney had recommended the health-insurance mandate as a model to the rest of the country. Perry said he had; Romney said he hadn’t.

The folks at FactCheck.org and at Politifact have concluded that Perry would have lost that bet, but I’m not convinced. Here’s the original portion of Romney’s book, with the sentence in question highlighted, so you can judge for yourself:

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It seems to me that Romney is indeed offering his approach as a model for the country, even as he makes clear that each state should be allowed to make that decision on its own. The fact that the sentence in question was altered in subsequent editions — it now reads “And it was done without government taking over health care,” leaving out any suggestion that others emulate it –suggests that Romney also recognized it was problematic.

In the end, the mandate issue probably won’t matter much to the outcome of the 2012 GOP primary process.
Absent a major reversal of fortune, the nominee is going to be either Romney or Newt Gingrich, and both men have an extensive public record of support for the individual mandate that they have been unable to convincingly explain away. Cme the general election, I’d wager that record will make it difficult for the Republican strategists to use the issue as aggressively as they had once planned.

– Jay Bookman

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Guy Incognito

December 12th, 2011
11:45 am

Perry should’ve answered,

“I’ll take that bet, you’re gonna regret, cuz I’m the best that’s ever been”

jm

December 12th, 2011
11:49 am

“Cme the general election, I’d wager that record will make it difficult for the Republican strategists to use the issue as aggressively as they had once planned.”

You wager too much. :) It will still get used heavily no matter what.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
11:54 am

When does Obamacare start??

Stonethrower

December 12th, 2011
11:55 am

$10,000 to Mitt is like a penny bet to me! Wealth envy! Okay, that’s out of the way so now let’s spin it as a hit on Obama.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
11:55 am

What’s funny about Obamacare is nobody can answer anything about how it will work. For instance, how much will my premium be?

Butch Cassidy

December 12th, 2011
11:58 am

WOODSTOCK MIKE – “When does Obamacare start??”

Which part? Some regulations took effect immediately. i.e. Insurance for shildren up to 26, donghnut hole for prescriptions, pre-existing conditions clause, etc.. The requirements for companies take affect in 2014 regarding the benefits provision. Also, companies with under 50 employees will not be required to follow the regulations under Obamacare.

So again, which part of the HCA were you referring to specifically?

jewcowboy

December 12th, 2011
11:58 am

“I’ll take that bet, you’re gonna regret, cuz I’m the best that’s ever been”

:lol:

Normal

December 12th, 2011
11:59 am

When does Obamacare start??

Diversion? You decide

Normal

December 12th, 2011
12:01 pm

This is a topic about clowns throwing cream pies, nothing more.

GOP, no substance in clown suits. Obama in 2012 by default, I’m thinking…

Jay

December 12th, 2011
12:01 pm

So Woodstock, you want to know today what your premium will be in 2014?

That’s impossible, for reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with ObamaCare.

Butch Cassidy

December 12th, 2011
12:01 pm

WOODSTOCK MIKE – “What’s funny about Obamacare is nobody can answer anything about how it will work.”

What’s funnier, is despite the fact you admit you know nothing about it or how it will work, you are convinced that it’s bad for America and is killing jobs, because your GOP overlords told you so.

Aquagirl

December 12th, 2011
12:02 pm

Romney should have just stamped “super-rich guy with money to burn” on his forehead.

AmVet - If you're a Republican, please punch yourself in the face.

December 12th, 2011
12:03 pm

Mitt Romney and Rick Perry walk into a bar…(And the penguin says, “No, I just had some ice cream.”)

This entire con-slate is a bad joke.

What happened to all of those “rising young stars” in the neo-con movement? Did they all get lost on the Appalachian Trail?

Washed-up, never was Newt, Flip-flopping Mittens, Ice-age Perry and the other three stooges? (Alas, Shemp “suspended” his campaign.)

That’s it???!!!

Butch Cassidy

December 12th, 2011
12:04 pm

Jay – “So Woodstock, you want to know today what your premium will be in 2014?”

Of course he does Jay. Because up until Obama came along, WOODSTOCK had “magic” insurance with premiums that never changed.

larry

December 12th, 2011
12:04 pm

What i would like to know is , where does an unemployed man get $10,000 to bet to begin with? If this is his idea of how he will handle the nations finances, then i dont want him with 10,000 miles of the White House.

Kamchak

December 12th, 2011
12:05 pm

Mittens –

You’ve got to know when to hold ‘em
Know when to fold ‘em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run

larry

December 12th, 2011
12:07 pm

I wonder if Romney is one of these millionares that claim unemployment benefits ?

jm

December 12th, 2011
12:08 pm

Butch, btw, for the record, I didn’t like Nardelli either. Bad mgmt skills.

Butch Cassidy

December 12th, 2011
12:08 pm

larry – “I wonder if Romney is one of these millionares that claim unemployment benefits ?”

Hey, every bit helps when your “creating jobs”. :)

TaxPayer

December 12th, 2011
12:08 pm

How much will my car insurance premium be, Woodstock?

Butch Cassidy

December 12th, 2011
12:09 pm

jm – “Butch, btw, for the record, I didn’t like Nardelli either. Bad mgmt skills.”

No arguement from on that.

Mara

December 12th, 2011
12:09 pm

I’m guessing that no one reading this article has ever said something like “I’ll bet you a million dollars…” because you KNEW you are right! Good grief – Rick Perry is certainly spinning this the best way he can – class envy (which is right out of the democrat playbook).

carlosgvv

December 12th, 2011
12:10 pm

Romney knows that if he ever comes clean and reveals exactly what he thinks about health insurance mandates, his chances of getting the approval of the Tea Party right will be zero. He has tailored all his beliefs to match what he thinks they want to hear. With a population of over 300 million, you would think we could do better than Obama, Romney and Newt.

Aquagirl

December 12th, 2011
12:10 pm

What happened to all of those “rising young stars” in the neo-con movement? Did they all get lost on the Appalachian Trail?

Somebody pass the screen cleaner…..

AmVet - If you're a Republican, please punch yourself in the face.

December 12th, 2011
12:10 pm

As you know, the final troops are coming home from Iraq this week. A few days ago I returned from Iraq and yesterday finished my year long active duty mobilization. Today, I am returning to my role as Chairman of VoteVets.org, and ready for an incredibly active 2012!

First, I want to thank all of you, personally. The road to ending the war in Iraq has been long. When I first helped form VoteVets.org in 2006, it was for a simple reason – many troops and veterans felt the war was wrong, and that it had to be wrapped up so we could focus on al Qaeda and the real threats to America. Together through the years, we’ve spoken out, run ads, held petition drives, written letters to Congress and newspapers. In election years, we’ve supported veterans running for office who were committed to ending the war in Iraq, and defeated many politicians who wanted war without end. That all of our remaining troops are coming home this week, and we have indeed taken the fight to al Qaeda by killing Osama bin Laden and other top terrorist leaders is a testament to you. Never doubt that together we have had a huge impact.

I want to thank Ashwin Madia, a fellow Iraq veteran, and the rest of the staff at VoteVets.org and Vet Voice Foundation who worked tirelessly on our mission while I was gone. I also want to thank you for all of your support while I was overseas. Your messages, Facebook posts, emails and tweets helped keep me going. Being away from my family and friends for so long, on my second tour in Iraq was not easy. Your support, though, gave me something to look forward to.

On that note, if you want to send me a message about anything, send a tweet to @votevets. Be sure to put my name in it, so I can catch it and read it.

While the end of the war is a joyous occasion, we also need to take a moment to remember the thousands who did not return home, and their families who lost a loved one, as well as the tens of thousands who were wounded in service to America in this war. Their sacrifice was great, and must never, ever be forgotten.

Now we move on to 2012. One of things I’ve seen upon my return is just how tough things are for veterans coming home. It’s always been tough for veterans, but given the state of the economy and our politics, now is even tougher for veterans and military families. The good news is that now more than ever, veterans are ready to get out front and speak loudly in the election year. This could very well be the year of the veteran. From jobs and the economy, to budget cuts that hurt veterans, to keeping America secure, veterans and VoteVets.org will be leading the conversation. There are over 100,000 of you on our email list, and we have state captains in states across America. So I know we’re going to do big things.

We are ready to go. I hope you are too. Happy Holidays to all of you and your loved ones.

Sincerely,
Jon Soltz
Iraq War Veteran
Chairman, VoteVets.org

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:11 pm

Hey Butch, you’re way ahead of yourself man… I asked a simple question, I thought something so important as national mandated healthcare might be a little more transparent. That’s all. Never said anything of killing jobs?? Just having trouble finding clarification on how it works. Settle down.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:12 pm

“How much will my car insurance premium be, Woodstock?”

Call an agent and get your quote… See, can’t do that with Obamacare, can you?? One day it’s just going to show up and you will pay it no matter what, you have no choice I guess…

Ayn Rant

December 12th, 2011
12:12 pm

Romney is such a piker! With his money, you’d expect him to put at least a million on the line; he wouldn’t miss a few million; certainly he could afford to pay more taxes.

Butch Cassidy

December 12th, 2011
12:15 pm

WOODSTOCK MIKE – “Just having trouble finding clarification on how it works. Settle down.”

Sorry man, but after 2 years of hearing that Obamacare is the 2nd coming of Satan in regard to “job creation” I guess I’m a little over sensative. My apologies if I roped you in with the uninformed.

Normal

December 12th, 2011
12:16 pm

AmVet,

And now, sadly, it’s time to help them agaist their own…For all that our Troops have given and sacrificed, they deserve getter from our VA…

Dear VCS Supporter,

Our legal battle against the Department of Veterans’ Affairs will see a new chapter this Tuesday Dec 13th at 1230 at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. An 11 judge panel will hear oral arguments. It is open to the public, if you live in the San Francisco bay area please attend to show your support.

Why This Case Matters:The issues to be decided by the 9th Circuit court will have a far-reaching impact on our nation’s veterans and veteran organizations:

Must the VA adhere to basic principles of due process when it adjudicates veterans’ applications for benefits, or can VA make its adjudicatory decisions on an arbitrary basis? .
Whether federal legislation that created the Veterans Court insulates VA from constitutional actions in federal court that raise systemic legal issues of any kind, whether a claim concerning the egregious delays at issue, or other types of claims such as racial or sex discrimination. According to VA, it enjoys absolute immunity from such claims.
Whether veteran organizations, as a threshold matter, can even assert systemic legal claims against VA on behalf of the members and veterans they serve. According to VA, the courtroom doors are closed to veteran organizations who bring such claims, even where the legal claims at issue are central to the mission of the veterans organization and are of critical importance to the organization’s members.

If VA’s arguments are accepted , it will severely curtail veterans’ rights, as well as the ability of veterans organizations to redress legal wrongs committed against veterans. Please Support VCS in this fight.Donate today. Your donation of $50 dollars or more will help us continue this fight. You can donate here. Thank you for all your support.

Sincerely,

Patrick Bellon

Executive Director

Jay

December 12th, 2011
12:19 pm

Well Woodstock, since you’ll still be buying your health insurance from the same private company that you buy it from today — unless YOU decide to change companies — I guess you’ll have to go ask them.

TaxPayer

December 12th, 2011
12:20 pm

Woodstock,

I just got my quote for my healthcare and you can too so your argument about not getting a health insurance quote is wrong. Of course the main point here is that the insurance company doesn’t even offer an “obamacare” policy so naturally you cannot get a quote for it.

Mr Sunshine

December 12th, 2011
12:20 pm

I dont agree with Jay on much of anything but I will admit he makes a great “Soccer Mom.”

Mr Sunshine

December 12th, 2011
12:21 pm

The premiums for ObamaCare drastically increase day after day after day after…

Mad Max

December 12th, 2011
12:22 pm

Jay,

I would have to side w/Politico on this. Seems like you’re taking a big stretch to say he was pushing his model onthe other states. I’m not wild about the government, either federal or state telling me what I have to buy from who as I believe those are individual rights, not government rights.

Matti's Boredom

December 12th, 2011
12:24 pm

Call an agent and get your quote… See, can’t do that with Obamacare, can you??

Actually, you can. See, it’s not really a “socialist government takeover of healthcare,” despite the panic-stricken shrieks of rightie talk radio. Private insurance companies are not going away, nor are doctors whose services you may or may not be able to afford now or in the future.

Kamchak

December 12th, 2011
12:24 pm

The premiums for ObamaCare drastically increase day after day after day after…

And how is this any different from the past thirty years?

Butch Cassidy

December 12th, 2011
12:24 pm

THIS JUST IN: In response to the thousands of troops who will be returning home from the Iraq war to an uncertain job market and possible long term unemployment. Herman Cain has decided to greet the troops personally as they disembark and blame them for not having a job. :)

Aquagirl

December 12th, 2011
12:25 pm

I guess you’ll have to go ask them.

That would be appropriate, since Woodstock has a variation of the same ‘ol “what about MEEEEEEEEEE!!!” question. After all….If the healthcare bill doesn’t have your personalized premium at the top, what good is it?

Mr Sunshine

December 12th, 2011
12:26 pm

In more important news…”Michelle Obama breaks jumping jacks record”

YEAH!!!! ;)

Jm

December 12th, 2011
12:29 pm

Huntsman’s campaign manager leaving to join Romney team

Huntsman needs to get out

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:31 pm

“That would be appropriate, since Woodstock has a variation of the same ‘ol “what about MEEEEEEEEEE!!!” question. After all….If the healthcare bill doesn’t have your personalized premium at the top, what good is it?”

It’s funny to see Democrats so excited about something they have no idea how it will work. And yes, Aquagirl, when something as major as a federally mandated healthcare law is passed I am concerned about how it will effect me and my family. Guess I’m crazy…

jconservative

December 12th, 2011
12:32 pm

So we have the author of the Individual Mandate running for the nomination against the man who first put the Individual Mandate into practice.

And the winner of that contest will run against the man who steered the national Individual Mandate through the Congress.

Have I got this right?

finn mccool

December 12th, 2011
12:32 pm

Must suck to be a conservative right now. Not a decent candidate in sight…..

getalife

December 12th, 2011
12:34 pm

I doubt willard can keep up with all his flip flops and the reason he would lose all debates with our President.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:35 pm

“That would be appropriate, since Woodstock has a variation of the same ‘ol “what about MEEEEEEEEEE!!!”

And based on this quote above I guess she doesn’t understand the whole “occupy” thing is a variation of the “what about MEEEEEE!!”. Wake up.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:36 pm

“Must suck to be a conservative right now. Not a decent candidate in sight…..”

And why do you think the Democrat candidate is so good?? Please explain in detail…

getalife

December 12th, 2011
12:36 pm

Never bet with a con because they will welch on the bet.

Herman Cain's WingMan(Quagmire)

December 12th, 2011
12:39 pm

Jay,

I bet you $10,000 that Newt or Romney or both will get a job with Foxnews after the election.

Newt/Romney

2 Men
6 Wives
2+ Failed election bids
0 chances of winning

My math might be wrong, but I’m being Conservative in my guessing…..LoL

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:39 pm

And when Democrats make stupid comments about why Gingrich has a Tiffany’s acccount I wonder how dumb someone can actually be. How about the $20K dress that Michelle Obama had on, or the multi-million dollar vacation Obama is on right now?? I personally don’t mind the first lady having a nice dress or the president being in Hawaii, just try not to be so hypocritical though…

Granny Godzilla

December 12th, 2011
12:40 pm

finn mccool

December 12th, 2011
12:40 pm

Private insurance companies are not going away, nor are doctors whose services you may or may not be able to afford now or in the future.

Matti, hush please. We want the conservanuts scared and clingin’ to their guns.

getalife

December 12th, 2011
12:41 pm

He is not on vacation mikey.

Nothing but lies from this con.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:41 pm

It’s awesome when Democrats comment on Gingrich having several wives. I guess they like it better to just cheat on your wife while you are married, like Bill Clinton.

Kamchak

December 12th, 2011
12:43 pm

I guess they like it better to just cheat on your wife while you are married, like Bill Clinton.

Like David Vitter
Like John Ensign
Like Larry Craig.
Like Mark Sanford.

Granny Godzilla

December 12th, 2011
12:43 pm

WOODSTOCK MIKE

“It’s awesome when Democrats comment on Gingrich having several wives. I guess they like it better to just cheat on your wife while you are married, like Bill Clinton.

Oh grow up.

getalife

December 12th, 2011
12:43 pm

Your lies do not work here mikey.

The Clintons are still married.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:43 pm

“He is not on vacation mikey.

Nothing but lies from this con”

Oh, sorry he leaves this week, my bad, another example of a dumb liberal.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:44 pm

“Your lies do not work here mikey.

The Clintons are still married”

Yeah, I know, what’s your point. He cheated on his wife, are you ok with that?

finn mccool

December 12th, 2011
12:44 pm

like Bill Clinton

and like Newt. Newt was with the women before he left his marriages.

They BOTH suck

December 12th, 2011
12:45 pm

Woodstock

“I guess they like it better to just cheat on your wife while you are married, like Bill Clinton.”

Newt admitted to doing the same………… guess you missed it…………

TaxPayer

December 12th, 2011
12:45 pm

Back when I worked for one of those Fortune 100 companies, one of the benefits that we received was health insurance and the only way we had of opting out was to seek employment elsewhere yet no Republicans appeared to be up in arms about being forced to accept that benefit rather than being given an option of declining it and taking a pay hike in its place. Why is that.

Jay

December 12th, 2011
12:45 pm

Granny, pretty good evidence there.

getalife

December 12th, 2011
12:45 pm

Get lost mikey.

Adults discussing politics here.

Come back when you grow up child.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:47 pm

“Oh grow up.”

When a Democrat is flat wrong this is how they respond!! LOL

jewcowboy

December 12th, 2011
12:47 pm

So the same weekend that someone steals $10k from Lindsay Lohan’s purse, Mitt makes a bet for that exact amount. Coincidence? Where was Mitt all weekend?

getalife

December 12th, 2011
12:48 pm

mikey,

My point is President Clinton did not leave his wife dying of cancer.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:48 pm

In other words, liberals think it’s perfectly fine for Bill Clinton to cheat on his wife, but Newt Gingrich, he is a terrible human being!! LOL

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:49 pm

“My point is President Clinton did not leave his wife dying of cancer.”

No, that’s the guy who you voted for as vice-president. (John Edwards if you don’t know)

Butch Cassidy

December 12th, 2011
12:49 pm

WOODSTOCK MIKE – “When a Democrat is flat wrong this is how they respond!! LOL”

MIKE, please show us where anyone on this blog, has at anytime, said that Clinton got a free pass for his behavior in regard to his marriage.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:51 pm

“MIKE, please show us where anyone on this blog, has at anytime, said that Clinton got a free pass for his behavior in regard to his marriage.”

The point is the first thing a liberal says about Newt Gingrich is he’s not fit to be president because of his marital affairs. Well, I think Bill Clinton did a good job so obviously that assumption is incorrect.

Aquagirl

December 12th, 2011
12:51 pm

the whole “occupy” thing is a variation of the “what about MEEEEEE!!”

They’re asking for individual healthcare quotes?

There’s a recent TV ad from the screaming communist-socialist National Association of Realtors, where a little kid asks his grandpa if he too will have a house when he grows up. So no, people concerned about wealth inequity are not all about MEEEEEEEEE, according to marketers hired by the uber-capitalist Realtor’s Association.

But I can see why cons are sweating the 99% movement. Need a hanky?

Gator Joe

December 12th, 2011
12:52 pm

Jay:
Funny how Romney is running away from his history on healthcare, and just about everything else in his public life.
As for the hype about how bad the Affordable Healthcare Act will be, much of it spewed by Fox and other Right Wing propaganda organizations, it’s amazing how much they think they know about the future. I know about the past and how big insurance and big pharma have behaved and it isn’t good, care to bet how they’ll behave with regard to us in the future without some controls on them? I’ll take my chances with the “Affordable Healthcare Act” .

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:52 pm

Why do liberals hate Tim Tebow?

Mr_B

December 12th, 2011
12:53 pm

Woodstock: If you were that worried, you might have paid some attention during the debate before passage. You would have learned that if you currently have coverage, very little changes, except that now you carrier can’t decide that you’re to sick to cover, and that your kids can stay on your policy for a few more years. Cost is up to your provider, just like before. There is a board established to help determine best medical practices with a view toward controlling costs; but they can’t ration care. States can set up pools so they can get more competetive rates from private insurers for those who are now uninsured. Not really that hard to understand, IF you’re paying attention.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:53 pm

“But I can see why cons are sweating the 99% movement. Need a hanky?”

Yeah, we are sweating over these college kids and hippies. And by the way, occupy is over already…

getalife

December 12th, 2011
12:53 pm

President Clinton caught hell from the left on cheating and so did edwards.

cons like mikey give the newt a free pass.

Seems to be the party line.

Paul

December 12th, 2011
12:53 pm

Congrats, Jay

While others in the media are all a-twitter over “$10,000?!!?” (or at the very least talk about whether or not betting is a tactical error in evangelical Iowa) you stick with the facts of the case.

And the facts are, conservative Republicans want to continue paying the costs for the uninsured and they don’t want anyone telling them they’ll have to stop.

jewcowboy

December 12th, 2011
12:54 pm

“Why do liberals hate Tim Tebow?”

Sheesh…someone is aching for attention today.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

December 12th, 2011
12:55 pm

Mr_B -

So let me get this straight, there will be very little changes but all of the sudden everyone is now covered by insurance. That’s a good one!!

TaxPayer

December 12th, 2011
12:55 pm

Speaking of hypocrites, Woodstock, how did you feel about Gingrich once you found out that he had been cheating on his wife while attacking Clinton for his cheating. Further, who campaigned on those family values thingies. Funny how that hypocrisy thing works, isn’t it.

Granny Godzilla

December 12th, 2011
12:55 pm

WOODSTOCK MIKE

“When a Democrat is flat wrong this is how they respond!! LOL”

LOL right back at ya.

I’m not wrong about your childish posts.

Kids say the darnest things.

getalife

December 12th, 2011
12:55 pm

“Why do liberals hate Tim Tebow?”

Looks like we should not jump into any more mikey holes.

Kamchak

December 12th, 2011
12:55 pm

In other words, liberals WOODSTOCK MIKE thinks it’s perfectly fine for Bill Clinton David Vitter, John Ensign, Larry Craig and Mark Sanford to cheat on his wife their wives, but Newt Gingrich Bill Clinton, he is a terrible human being!! LOL

Road Scholar

December 12th, 2011
12:57 pm

Trump said on tv this AM that if he does not like th Repub nominee, he will run as an independant! Oh Boy! Get the popcorn ready!

TaxPayer

December 12th, 2011
12:57 pm

The point is the first thing a liberal says about Newt Gingrich is he’s not fit to be president because of his marital affairs.

Recall isn’t one of your strong points, is it Woodstock.

jewcowboy

December 12th, 2011
12:57 pm

getalife,

“Looks like we should not jump into any more mikey holes.”

Must…pull…mind…out…of…gutter…….so…difficult.

Jay

December 12th, 2011
12:58 pm

Mr_B

December 12th, 2011
12:59 pm

And just how does this change anything for you and your family, unless you are currently uninsured? Lack of insurance envy?

RB from Gwinnett

December 12th, 2011
1:00 pm

“For instance, how much will my premium be?”

Your premium will be whatever the insurance company you buy it from says will cover their risk of you and the rest of the pool. Basically, it will be the same amount any self employed person who runs down to the insurance company pays. And that will be quite a bit since you don’t have any employer paying part of it.

But not to worry, if you can’t afford it, you’ll be able to get in the government dole line with the rest of the 47% and make the 53% pay your share because nobody is ever going to ask you to pay out more than you are today. This whole thing was never about everybody having “insurance”. It is and always has been about who is going to pay for the healtcare of people who currently don’t have insurance.

TaxPayer

December 12th, 2011
1:00 pm

No, that’s the guy who you voted for as vice-president. (John Edwards if you don’t know)

Odd, I don’t remember his name on the ballot.

sam

December 12th, 2011
1:00 pm

sad part about Mitt is he doesnt have the balls to stand up and say ‘yeah, we did and it worked’, he’d rather change his book and be a hypocrite than to admit he did something the right wing wont approve of…also, the 10k bet thing was a good window into how much of a douche bag he is.

Matti's Boredom

December 12th, 2011
1:02 pm

The point is the first thing a liberal says about Newt Gingrich is he’s not fit to be president because of his marital affairs.

Um, no. His extra-marital affairs may be on the list, and directly support the assertion that he is a bloated, flaming hypocrite, but they certainly do not top the list of reasons why we would never vote for him. Why do YOU care so much, Mr. Mike? Frankly, I don’t get the Republican obsession with everyone else’s personal life — an obsession which brings to a liberal’s mind the question of how Repubs can actually support this man. Seems you may have misunderstood the question there.

Tebow now? Really? Looks like somebody could benefit from a switch to decaf.

Marlboro Man

December 12th, 2011
1:21 pm

Bookman, you’re on the right track. If those of you can handel the truth , there’s a must read at THINK PROGRESS http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/12/12/387517/romneys-10000-health-care-undermines-claims-of-consistency-on-health-care/

…..Rink Perry is to be commended for his zealous committment to expose Mittens for the two-faced flip-flopper Mitt has proven himself to be…. by Mitt’s very own words, Mitt’s own actions !!!!!!!

Read it ! It speaks to the people in clear language. It leaves no room to doubt that America simply cannot trust Romney to lead this country.

Rodney

December 12th, 2011
5:05 pm

For those who disagree with Romney over the 10,000 bets wasn’t voting for Romney anyway. People need to wake up and find something else to gripe about. Good Grief! I myself make exaggerated bets just to prove a point that someone is a lie! Hell I said a million dollars even though I had nothing. If you’re so concern about the wager than get a JOB! In addition Newt Gingrich is the biggest panderer this country have ever witness. It’s the same formula he used on K Street to sway Congress to vote his client’s way. Americans are falling for Newt’s trap if they believe he’s a change man. Just listen to Newt when he speaks. If President Obama were in the audience he would likely say I agree with your federal mandate. BIG FAT PANDERING NEWT!

LaTasheanne

December 12th, 2011
5:45 pm

Anyone else notice that Mitt was the only guy on stage not wearing a red tie, in fact he wore blue (see pic above). Kinda surprised our tea party brethren didn’t make an issue out of that.

M Chavez

December 12th, 2011
7:43 pm

Mitt Romney made a bet (we all do) with Rick Perry, who they say is a public employee. Let’s take a look at Newt Gingrich he also is/was a public employee what is his wealth. He knows too many people inside and we know what he hasn’t done for the people for so many years. Lets see whatt M Romney can do….we know what Gingrich can’t do.