In N.H., Romney runs afoul of ‘live free or die’ spirit

The following exchange took place earlier today between Mitt Romney and a gentleman seated at a diner in Manchester, N.H. (short ad precedes video):

The man in the plaid jacket and Vietnam Veterans hat is 63-year-old Bob Garon. When reporters debriefed him after the discussion, they asked him why the issue of gay marriage was important to him.

“Because I’m gay, all right?” Garon said. “And I happen to love a man just like you probably love your wife.”

In fact, Garon is married under New Hampshire law to the man who was sitting across the table from him at the diner, Bob Lemire. They are regulars at the diner, where patrons and staff apparently refer to them as “the Bobs.”

The now-Republican N.H. Legislature is attempting to repeal the law legalizing the Bobs’ marriage. So when an unsuspecting Romney told Bob No. 1 that he support the repeal attempt, Garon was not exactly pleased.

“I have no problem with his beliefs, but I do not think he should throw it on everybody’s face,” Garon said later. “It’s not his choice to make my choice.”

Live free or die, baby.

– Jay Bookman

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Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 12th, 2011
12:56 pm

New Hampshire – the Libertarian homeland.

Voted Obama in 2008.

As a Hayek fan I support you, NH.

ty webb

December 12th, 2011
1:03 pm

so romney and obama share the same beliefs regarding marriage…thththththth that’s all folks!

saywhat?

December 12th, 2011
1:03 pm

I believe the more hardcore Republicans would rather the gay married folk die.

Granny Godzilla

December 12th, 2011
1:03 pm

That Vietnam Vet hat and plaid flannel shirt scream heterosexual.

Sneaky gay old guy tricked Mittens!

(snarc)

Mr_B

December 12th, 2011
1:03 pm

I’m shocked.. shocked I tell you that we let one of Those People serve during the noble attempt to stop the Dominio of Communism in SE Asia. And this guy has the nerve to think that he ought to be treated like everbody else!

TaxPayer

December 12th, 2011
1:04 pm

I wonder if the health insurance companies would deny Mitt’s coverage for removal of foot from mouth on the basis of a pre-existing condition.

getalife

December 12th, 2011
1:05 pm

Who cares adults do with their junk as long as it does not involve children.

TaxPayer

December 12th, 2011
1:07 pm

Mitt should have just pepper sprayed the guy for assaulting him with such a harmful question in public like that. The nerve.

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
1:08 pm

we always described NH as gun-totin’ hippies … definitely not GOP OR Dem as you would traditionally know them.

JOE Cool

December 12th, 2011
1:10 pm

Poor Mittens didnt expect that one…. of wait…must have been a DEM plant *snarc*

Erwin's cat

December 12th, 2011
1:11 pm

So… what’s the point?

ty webb

December 12th, 2011
1:13 pm

Though I disagree with Romney’s position on this issue…the video actually makes him look good. He respectfully listened to the vet, then responded to the question directly, and stood by his opinion.

jm

December 12th, 2011
1:13 pm

“Live free or die, baby.”

i dont think jay understands the 2nd half of that motto

Paul

December 12th, 2011
1:13 pm

“Runs afoul” may be a bit overstated. I thought it a pretty cordial exchange, evidenced by at the end Mr. Garon saying ‘you looked me in the eye, you gave a good answer. Good luck.”

Soothsayer

December 12th, 2011
1:14 pm

JOE Cool

December 12th, 2011
1:15 pm

Mittens always has that deer in the headlights nervous look going on. Looks like hes always sweating…lol.

jewcowboy

December 12th, 2011
1:16 pm

“Who cares adults do with their junk as long as it does not involve children.”

Is copulation the only thing that defines marriage?

Paul

December 12th, 2011
1:18 pm

I suppose it’s now time to point out you could have substituted Pres Obama for Gov Romney in that exchange and you’d have had the same script.

Kamchak

December 12th, 2011
1:19 pm

Two anti Mittens threads in an hour.

Jay must be skeeeeered of The Mittens.

Butch Cassidy

December 12th, 2011
1:19 pm

Maybe Romney could have offered the guy $10,000 to make the incident “go away”. I’m sorry Mr. Garon, but luckily I just got $10,000 from a bet I won with Rick Perry. Maybe we could come to some kind of arrangement? :)

saywhat?

December 12th, 2011
1:19 pm

jewcowboy

“Is copulation the only thing that defines marriage?”

No, BUT I am guessing there are many who wouldn’t mind if it played a more defining role.

Guy Incognito

December 12th, 2011
1:19 pm

There’s a nice gay couple at Derick’s diner in Marietta….Gerald Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzgerald

RB from Gwinnett

December 12th, 2011
1:20 pm

Based on the Joe the Plumber scenario, I would expect the news media to do everything possible to slander the hell out of the man for daring to ask a question of a candidate.

Oh, wait, that only applies to people who ask questions of liberal candidates. Never mind….

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
1:20 pm

“i dont think jay understands the 2nd half of that motto”

I think that your pursuit of trying to slam Jay at every turn really does make you look rather silly sometimes … I mean, seriously, Jay doesn’t understand “or die” ???

really???

Paul

December 12th, 2011
1:21 pm

Personally, I think the only way out of this for the country is to get the church out of government and to get the government out of church.

If a couple wants to get married, they can have the ceremony performed by a licensed, authorized religious figure.

If a couple wants a civil union, they can have the ceremony performed by a government official.

They’d both carry the same rights and responsibilities.

philosopher

December 12th, 2011
1:22 pm

USinUK: Funny, I was thinking he meant the “,baby” part. lol

JOE Cool

December 12th, 2011
1:22 pm

“I suppose it’s now time to point out you could have substituted Pres Obama for Gov Romney in that exchange and you’d have had the same script.”

NOPE….problem is Mittens supports the REPEAL of the current law that the BOBs live under as a married couple.

Aquagirl

December 12th, 2011
1:24 pm

we let one of Those People serve during the noble attempt to stop the Dominio of Communism in SE Asia.

And we lost that war! Coincidence? I THINK NOT.

mm

December 12th, 2011
1:25 pm

RB,

“Based on the Joe the Plumber scenario, I would expect the news media to do everything possible to slander the hell out of the man for daring to ask a question of a candidate.”

Seriously? The guy we couldn’t go 1 day without hearing about? The guy McCain and Palin propped up like some kind of hero? The guy that turned out not to be a plumber? The guy that was behind on his taxes? Slander? Really?

jewcowboy

December 12th, 2011
1:26 pm

saywhat?

“No, BUT I am guessing there are many who wouldn’t mind if it played a more defining role.”

My point is that when it comes to gay marriage, even advocates say things like, “what happens in the bedroom is their own business.” Well yes it is, and you don’t have to be married for that. One of the purposes of marriage is a public statement of commitment and to have that commitment recognized.

Is the main reason straight people get married is so they can have sex? Why do straight people, well-intentioned or not, automatically sexualize gay relationships?

getalife

December 12th, 2011
1:27 pm

“The problem is that our politics has gotten to the point, where we can’t have an honest conversation about the greatest income inequality since the 1920s. And we can’t have an honest conversation about the irresponsibility that resulted in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, without somebody saying that somehow we’re being divisive.”President Obama

There is no intellectual honesty in debates today.

Bank runs in Europe as the EU collapses and our gop fights against our recovery for the election.

It is amazing our economy is still growing yet at a very slow pace with a corrupt gop wanting to default on the debt and obstructing our recovery.

Do the gop deserve to lose?

You betcha :)

Paul

December 12th, 2011
1:28 pm

JOE Cool

True, Pres Obama doesn’t favor repeal of Defense of Marriage Act, BUT… he is not in favor of extending marriage to same-sex couples, either.

Soothsayer

December 12th, 2011
1:29 pm

VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2012
WE PROMISE WE WON’T F*CK EVERYTHING UP AGAIN!

I think that would look good on a bumper sticker, don’t you?

getalife

December 12th, 2011
1:33 pm

Sooth,

Good one.

It is the definition of insanity.

cons actually think the gop will not collapse the global economy again.

I think they will .

Paul

December 12th, 2011
1:33 pm

Is a Presidential contender’s views on gay marriage any more relevant than his views on abortion?

Are either relevant? (I’ll stipulate “but he can nominate for the Supreme Court..” and get that out of the way)

Mick

December 12th, 2011
1:33 pm

rb@1:20

Joe the bumbler? You mean the guy not named joe and not a licensed plumber? He got more out of his 15 minutes than most. Not to mention he probably made a few bucks as well…sour grapes is all you’re eating there…

jewcowboy

December 12th, 2011
1:34 pm

Paul,

“Pres Obama doesn’t favor repeal of Defense of Marriage Act,”

I think you are talking about the effort in NH to repeal their same sex marriage law, and replace it with civil unions, not DOMA. Obama is behind DOMA’s repeal.

“The president has long called for the legislative repeal of the so-called Defense of Marriage Act,” White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters. “He is proud to support the Respect for Marriage Act.”

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
1:35 pm

mm – 1:25 – yeah … I’ll bet the MEDIA goes after him and stalks him … I’ll be the MEDIA reports what kind of cabinets and countertops he has in his kitchen …

media slander???

puh-LEEZ.

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 12th, 2011
1:36 pm

US Dollar very strong again today at 79.50 (DXY) – gold plummeting.

I would LOVE to see the goldbugs take a 50% loss by election day – why? America wins when the gloom and doomers LOSE.

FU Glenn Beck and the WSB idiot I won’t name.

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
1:36 pm

Paul – “Are either relevant? ”

having watched Bush put a horse doctor in charge of the NHS department of wimmen’s health – and having watched Bush put up as many barriers as possible to getting access to legal contraceptives (conscience clauses and the like), DAMNED STRAIGHT it matters.

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
1:37 pm

“gold plummeting”

:lol:

poooooooooooooor Glenn Beck …

Paul

December 12th, 2011
1:38 pm

jewcowboy

Based on what JOE Cool posted, I tried listening to the video again. It was garbled, but I thought I heard a brief exchange about repeal of DOMA after talk about the NH law.

So Pres Obama’s behind DOMA repeal?

Ball’s in your court, JOE Cool. Or were you making the point Gov Romney’s in favor of repeal of the NH law? That would be quite a change for him – interjecting his opinion into local elections.

RB from Gwinnett

December 12th, 2011
1:39 pm

“The guy McCain and Palin propped up like some kind of hero? The guy that turned out not to be a plumber? The guy that was behind on his taxes? Slander? Really?”

The man simply asked Obama a question. Nothing about his personal life is relevant to the answer Obama gave, yet he was villified by the liberal media with every aspect of his life dug into and dragged through the mud. But I will say, you liberals sure did a good job of making the story be about Joe and not the answer Obama gave him about wanting to spread the socialism around.

Paul

December 12th, 2011
1:40 pm

USinUK

Good points. I’d wondered about that. Thanks.

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
1:40 pm

“spread the socialism around.”

yeah … those pesky capitalists sure are suffering under Obama … whew!!! the pain!!!

JOE Cool

December 12th, 2011
1:41 pm

Paul

December 12th, 2011
1:38 pm

Yes Paul….NH law!!

getalife

December 12th, 2011
1:41 pm

Yes, he ended dadt and the State department said foreign aid has to include gay rights.

What happens when the cons run out of people to discriminate against?

Will they turn on each other?
Yup.

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 12th, 2011
1:41 pm

RB–

Joe the Plumber was ridiculed because he was an unemployed plumber complaining about a tax hike on 1/4 million dollar incomes.

stands for decibels

December 12th, 2011
1:42 pm

Based on the Joe the Plumber scenario, I would expect the news media to do everything possible to slander the hell out of the man for daring to ask a question of a candidate.

Well, RB, if it turns out that the guy was lying about this relationship and about his service to his country–you know, the way that [not]Joe the [not really a] Plumber lied about being poised to buy a business whose income would put him in a higher tax bracket, then the news media would be justified in doing so.

Only it wouldn’t be “slander”, of course, just as it wasn’t slander when it was reported that Sam Wurzelbacher was a liar.

jewcowboy

December 12th, 2011
1:43 pm

Paul,

“So Pres Obama’s behind DOMA repeal?”

Yep. http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0711/all_due_respect_52655160-80d9-4749-a26a-3525888f615a.html

As to the video(it’s saying it is unavailable right now), I think there was a exchange about both.

ragnar danneskjold

December 12th, 2011
1:43 pm

Sounds like a typical leftist to me – cannot tolerate a belief different from his own.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 12th, 2011
1:43 pm

I’m getting one of Sooth’s bumper stickers made up. But I want it to say “THEY PROMISE” instead of “WE PROMISE.” :D

stands for decibels

December 12th, 2011
1:43 pm

The man simply asked Obama a question.

he simply lied, RB. He said “I’m getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year. ”

He wasn’t doing any such thing.

JOE Cool

December 12th, 2011
1:44 pm

“What happens when the cons run out of people to discriminate against?”

That wont ever happen….you know that.

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
1:45 pm

“Sounds like a typical leftist to me – cannot tolerate a belief different from his own.”

so, now Mittens is a leftist?

I guess that applies to Phyllis Schlafly, as well.

interesting, that.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 12th, 2011
1:45 pm

R. Danneskjold — “Sounds like a typical leftist to me – cannot tolerate a belief different from his own.”

If a conservative belief is that the rights of others who are different from me must be limited, constrained or denied, then I’m just like that guy. I don’t tolerate them, either.

JOE Cool

December 12th, 2011
1:45 pm

“Sounds like a typical leftist to me – cannot tolerate a belief different from his own.”

REALLY? Sounds like he handled the difference quite well…..

“I have no problem with his beliefs, but I do not think he should throw it on everybody’s face,” Garon said later. “It’s not his choice to make my choice.”

USinUK

December 12th, 2011
1:46 pm

heading home –

night, all!!!

Paul

December 12th, 2011
1:46 pm

Joe Cool

I wasn’t aware Pres Obama had weighed in on repeal of the NH law. Didn’t see any hits on Google.

jewcowboy

Thanks much.

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 12th, 2011
1:47 pm

Cons are picking on Gingers now. Saw it on South Park.

Cartman reminds me of Fat Rush Limbaugh – ignorant and belligerent.

moonbat betty

December 12th, 2011
1:48 pm

Jay and the media have convinced me.

Obama is the only one.

Hopefully, they will overturn the 22nd Amendment to give Obama enough time to turn this ship around.

Obama FOREVER!

Thank you, AJC.

ragnar danneskjold

December 12th, 2011
1:49 pm

Lest my clever note was too obscure, my epithet applies to both.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 12th, 2011
1:50 pm

Obscure note is obscure.

JKL2

December 12th, 2011
1:50 pm

RB- Based on the Joe the Plumber scenario, I would expect the news media to do everything possible to slander the hell out of the man for daring to ask a question of a candidate.

Oh, wait, that only applies to people who ask questions of liberal candidates. Never mind….

Couldn’t have said it better myself. All the Demwit character assassinations of Joe here just validate that point even more.

mm

December 12th, 2011
1:50 pm

” wanting to spread the socialism around.”

So you righty 99 percenters still want to take up for the 1 percent?

jewcowboy

December 12th, 2011
1:53 pm

“The WMUR Granite State poll shows that only 27 percent of New Hampshire adults support repealing same-sex marriage, while 50 percent strongly oppose repeal. The percentages are similar to a poll asking the same question in February.

The poll of 500 randomly selected New Hampshire adults was conducted by phone from Sept. 26 through Oct. 2 and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.4 percent.

“Strong opponents of repealing same-sex marriage continue to outnumber strong proponents by more than 2 to 1,” said Andrew Smith, director of the UNH Survey Center. “The New Hampshire public is not showing any strong desire to repeal this law.”

Makes you wonder why Romney would want to go against the will of the people in NH.

jewcowboy

December 12th, 2011
1:55 pm

“Oh, wait, that only applies to people who ask questions of liberal candidates.”

Or tell their story of sexual harassment perpetrated by a Republican candidate.

JKL2

December 12th, 2011
1:55 pm

-“What happens when the cons run out of people to discriminate against?”

People like Jesse Jackson and Rev Al will make sure that will never happen. They will make up victims until the end of time because their lively hood depends on it. (mean old Republicans are going to take away your healthcare and social security)

Somebody needs to help these poor people! No not me, I’m too busy, but someone needs to help these poor people…

RB from Gwinnett

December 12th, 2011
1:55 pm

“Joe the Plumber was ridiculed because he was an unemployed plumber complaining about a tax hike on 1/4 million dollar incomes.”

So, I asssume all you liberals believe it is ok for the media to probe anything and everything about any person who asks a candidate a question, right. That means everything about YOU is fair game if you ask a candidate a question, right.

Face it. Every last bit of the Joe the Plumber crap was to divert attention away from the answer Obama gave to his question. And its utterly pathetic you clowns think that’s ok for the media to do to citizen for asking a public official a question. DISGUSTING!

Talking Head

December 12th, 2011
1:56 pm

“Makes you wonder why Romney would want to go against the will of the people in NH.”

Romney is certainly allowed to have his own opinions on gay marriage, but yes I agree he is in the wrong on this issue since he favors a federal law against gay marriage, when it should be left up to the states.

Kamchak

December 12th, 2011
1:58 pm

Makes you wonder why Romney would want to go against the will of the people in NH.

Meh.

It’s more about galvanizing the base to get out and vote more than anything else. That’s the entire reason for theses wedgie issues, not about changing policy.

Joe Hussein Mama

December 12th, 2011
1:59 pm

RB — “Face it. Every last bit of the Joe the Plumber crap was to divert attention away from the answer Obama gave to his question.”

Face it, RB. “Joe the Plumber was ridiculed because he was an unemployed plumber complaining about a tax hike on 1/4 million dollar incomes.”

jewcowboy

December 12th, 2011
1:59 pm

RB from Gwinnett,

“That means everything about YOU is fair game if you ask a candidate a question, right.”

If you go after the limelight, then yes. “Joe” was not exactly a shrinking violet. He milked the media attention for everything he could, even going on tour with McCain. I’m not finding him a particularly sympathetic figure.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-10-25/joe-the-plumber-congress/50918250/1

jewcowboy

December 12th, 2011
2:01 pm

Kamchak,

“It’s more about galvanizing the base to get out and vote more than anything else.”

Though it might backfire on him…

“The survey showed that 44 percent of New Hampshire adults are more likely to vote against a candidate who is in favor of repealing same-sex marriage, while 14 percent said they were less likely to support a candidate who opposes repealing the law.”

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 12th, 2011
2:02 pm

No, RB.

The media can “probe” anyone they like. I include some characters on the left who spout off like Michael Moore and the Dixie Chicks.

jewcowboy

December 12th, 2011
2:02 pm

RB from Gwinnett.

“Every last bit of the Joe the Plumber crap was to divert attention away from the answer Obama gave to his question.”

And good ol’ “Joe” helped them out by going on tour with McCain and Palin…eating up the spotlight.

mm

December 12th, 2011
2:03 pm

“Face it. Every last bit of the Joe the Plumber crap was to divert attention away from the answer Obama gave to his question. ”

I loved his answer. He was calling attention to the 1 percent well before that term was nationally known.

They BOTH suck

December 12th, 2011
2:03 pm

RB from Gwinnet

McCain and Palin were drummed for numerous reasons……….

If you think Joe the Plumber was going to help……….. you are joking right?

As much as you cry about the left….. Fox and radio pundits couldn’t get him on tv fast enough win they thought he was actually helping the campagain and “cause”………

So in your quest to be “fair and balanced” make sure you tell the whole story……….. just don’t cry about bias against things YOU do not like

Kamchak

December 12th, 2011
2:04 pm

jewcowboy

It’s not about NH. It’s about winning the nationwide primary.

Paul

December 12th, 2011
2:04 pm

Too bad it wasn’t Newt answering the question:

“I’m older than you. Didn’t serve, bad feet and all. But I went to college and became an historian. Now to put you straight on the history of this: when the Phoenician empire spread to….”

Peadawg

December 12th, 2011
2:04 pm

“Obama heralds end of divisive Iraq war”

Thanks goodness Obama didn’t get the extension that he wanted and tried to get.

Erwin's cat

December 12th, 2011
2:05 pm

Joe – “Face it, RB. “Joe the Plumber was ridiculed because he was an unemployed plumber complaining about a tax hike on 1/4 million dollar incomes.”

Sorry Joe – regardless whether Joe was a plumber or not, it has nothing to do with the “share the wealth” answer

stands for decibels

December 12th, 2011
2:06 pm

Every last bit of the Joe the Plumber crap was to divert attention away from the answer Obama gave to his question.

Gawdalmighty, do you really think the notion of spreading wealth around being good for society in general is controversial to any but the most diehard of wingnuts?

people who would never in a million years vote for any Democrat in the first place?

They BOTH suck

December 12th, 2011
2:08 pm

Erwins cat

Get over it…………. McCain lost…………

For the right to believe that Joe the Plummer was actully goin to help them win is desperation to say the least…………..

And those on the right who actually bought it was even better

carlosgvv

December 12th, 2011
2:08 pm

I’m no fan of gay marrige myself. However, when Romney speaks you never know if it’s his actual beliefs or his need-to-impress-the-Tea-Party beliefs. If he is elected President, we have no idea which Romney we’ll be getting.

RB from Gwinnett

December 12th, 2011
2:12 pm

“If you go after the limelight, then yes. “Joe” was not exactly a shrinking violet. He milked the media attention for everything he could, even going on tour with McCain. I’m not finding him a particularly sympathetic figure.”

Joe’s personal life was probed long before he went anywhere with any R candidate.

Answer the question, libs. Is anybody who asks a candidate a question fair game for the media to destroy?

Erwin's cat

December 12th, 2011
2:12 pm

They Both,
You’re missin the point altogether …No matter “who” Joe was/is, it does not in anyway discredit the question or it’s answer…

I never expected McCain to win so get over it yourself….

Mick

December 12th, 2011
2:13 pm

Give joe credit where credit is due; All because of that one question and obama’s answer, the wingers have framed obama as a wealth redistributing, kenyan marxist socialist. That’s the real joke…

Paul

December 12th, 2011
2:15 pm

Mick

I was about to write “Joe the Plumber. Ya’ll are kidding, right? That’s what you want to discuss?!!?” then I saw your post. Thanks.

And now that’s settled, wasn’t there a real topic?

They BOTH suck

December 12th, 2011
2:17 pm

Erwin

Get over it………….

If you didn’t like Obama’s answer………. fine……………… It didn’t matter……… Joe or no Joe; that election was over before it started

The right milked him for what they thought would be political gain as much as the left vilified

Hannity, Oreily, etc could put him on the show fast enough and often enough to show “Six pack Joe” the humble conservative…………

I do not blame Joe… I would have milked it as well. It is just funny how a percentage on the right ate it up and thought it was making a difference. The pundits knew better, but they also know that many on the right were eating it up so they served him up on a silver platter to the flock

Good for Joe… but oh so funny

Normal

December 12th, 2011
2:18 pm

I’m not sure why there is all this debate about Gay Marriage. What difference would it make to anyone if two gay people who love each other want to share that love publicly and legally? It should be their decision and their right. The Great Spirit knows that love is hard enough to find and if you do find it, well…marry it.

The whole “marriage is for one man and one woman” debate is strictly a religious one and has no revelence in the real world. If fact, you don’t need religion to be married. Keep ignorance out of this debate. Let ALL of the people have equal rights to marriage, if that’s what they want.

Mick

December 12th, 2011
2:18 pm

rb

Just like a typical rabid winger, your memory is faulty. At first, joe was given major publicity by john mccain, it was after that they started to find many inconsistencies with joe (sam) the (not licensed) plumber? He really had zero means of getting 250k to buy the company (fantasy). You have to lie in the bed you make…

Kamchak

December 12th, 2011
2:19 pm

Is anybody who asks a candidate a question fair game for the media to destroy?

Sam Wurzelbacher was destroyed?

Save the drama for your mama.

Talking Head

December 12th, 2011
2:19 pm

“Give joe credit where credit is due; All because of that one question and obama’s answer, the wingers have framed obama as a wealth redistributing, kenyan marxist socialist. That’s the real joke…”

There are other quotes/sayings from Obama prior to his encounter with Joe that ‘frames’ Obama as a wealth redistributor sympathizer..like in 2001 when Obama asserted that the Constitution was a document of negative liberties

Mick

December 12th, 2011
2:21 pm

talking

There’s some truth to that, especially if you just happened to be born into slavery…

Not a Neal Boortz Redneck

December 12th, 2011
2:22 pm

Joe the Plumber was a bum that got lucky for 15 minutes.

Granny Godzilla

December 12th, 2011
2:22 pm

RB Asks:

Is anybody who asks a candidate a question fair game for the media to destroy?

Answer:

Everyone is fair game, the destroy part only happens when the individual turns out to be a fraud.

Paul

December 12th, 2011
2:22 pm

both suck

“Hannity, Oreily, etc could put him on the show fast enough and often enough to show “Six pack Joe” the humble conservative……”

I looked on Google, then searched on o’reilly’s website, and did not see where joe the plumber had ever appeared on his show.

Is “zero” enough times to pander to his conservative viewers?

Joe Hussein Mama

December 12th, 2011
2:24 pm

Erwin’s Cat — “Sorry Joe – regardless whether Joe was a plumber or not, it has nothing to do with the “share the wealth” answer.”

Sorry, Cat. Not-Joe the Not-Plumber’s question didn’t have a thing to do with his situation. He even claimed to be concerned about the tax implications of buying a business — when he couldn’t afford the business, wasn’t a legally licensed plumber and wouldn’t have been able to run that business in Ohio anyway.

It’s never been demonstrated, but I continue to believe that Not-Joe the Not-Plumber was a setup.

And I’m not a bit concerned by the “share the wealth” response.

They BOTH suck

December 12th, 2011
2:25 pm

Paul

So Oreilly never mentioned him…….. If a technicality is all you have then you must have been those individuals on the right who thought he was going to put McCain over the top

A quick Google search shows numerous articles and clips with Oreilly taking bout who and pandering to whom?