Newt Gingrich is GOP’s Frankenstein monster come to life
The panic of the GOP’s Washington establishment has become, well, entertaining. The conservative movement that they have designed and programmed so carefully is in the process of going rogue on them, and that rogue has a name: Newt Gingrich.
But they have brought this on themselves. He is their creation.
If you indoctrinate your members to believe that compromise equates to defeat — if that becomes a core principle in your movement’s identity — how can you demand they compromise by accepting Mitt Romney as their nominee? Is that not defeat on the most important decision the party can make?
If you tell them that being Republican requires obedience to every single tenet of Republican doctrine — George Will this week noted that the party is “more ideologically homogenous than ever in 156 years of competing for the presidency” — how can you sell them on a candidate who is so transparently insincere in embracing that doctrine? Isn’t that a betrayal? (Gingrich is equally insincere; he’s just better at hiding it.)
And if you have nurtured your base on the red meat of anger and resentment, building an elaborate media infrastructure to generate fresh outrage to feed upon, you have prepared the way for a demagogic leader with a genius for that style of politics. With his intellectual veneer and flair for the outrageous, Gingrich doesn’t merely throw the crowd red meat, he throws them Kobe beef, broiled to perfection.
Meanwhile, Romney offers soy burgers. Go ahead, eat it. It’s good for you.
And this is the tough part: For years, you have imbued your voter base with a deep distrust of the media, the establishment and the elites, to the point that distrust is now programmed into the movement’s DNA. The harsher the media attack, the more enthusiastically the party faithful now rallies behind its target.
That trait has proved useful, producing a party base that to a large degree is immune to outside influence. But in these circumstances, what mechanisms do you use to convince the base that Gingrich would be a disaster to the party and to the country? How do you reach them? You can’t use the mainstream media, and moderate voices preaching caution from Washington simply have no impact. In fact, they confirm the false image of Gingrich as a fellow outsider.
Newt understands that dynamic very well, having helped to create it. He has made an ostentatious point of refusing to attack his fellow Republicans, saying he will not participate in a media conspiracy to divide the party. It is a wise response, perfectly attuned to the mindset of the base, and you can expect to see him offer it repeatedly in tonight’s GOP debate from Iowa.
In fact, tonight’s debate (broadcast at 9 p.m. on ABC) is likely to be the most important of the party’s two dozen or so forums, because it comes at a critical time. Unless Gingrich self-destructs, and soon, the party establishment and intelligentsia will have to spend the next few months trying to discredit him while shoving Romney down the throat of a GOP base that gags at the thought. And maybe it’s what’s left of my naivete, but I have to think that patriotism is also playing a role in that desperation. The party elite know Gingrich; they understand that proposing to put Newt in position to be president of the United States would, in its own way, be as grossly irresponsible as putting someone like Sarah Palin in that role.
They just don’t know how to convince the rest of the party of that fact, because it requires unlearning so much of what they’ve been told to believe.
– Jay Bookman
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TC
December 10th, 2011
11:55 am
“The party elite know Gingrich; they understand that proposing to put Newt in position to be president of the United States would, in its own way, be as grossly irresponsible as putting someone like Sarah Palin in that role” – or Obama.
Gojoh Mailee
December 10th, 2011
11:57 am
TC: No, just no. Obama is a far more responsible person than Palin.
Bella Napoli
December 10th, 2011
12:00 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwp1CH5R-w4&feature=related
getalife
December 10th, 2011
12:07 pm
The cons want the newt.
So be it.
Jake
December 10th, 2011
12:07 pm
Is “or Obama” the wingnut version of “in bed”?
Beverly Fraud
December 10th, 2011
12:08 pm
Interesting, Jay and no doubt accurate.
It indeed is going to take some finesse from the GOP leadership to distance themselves from Newt, while remaining unified in their message.
Jay, I dare say, it does remind one of what the AJC editorial board had to do, as far as deconstructing the myth of Beverly Hall, after having spent the better part of a decade being part and parcel of corporate Atlanta in building it up. It couldn’t have been easy, (please note, I’ve always maintained you were at the forefront of your peers in expressing “buyer’s remorse.”)
Can’t help but notice the parallels in each case. But I’ll leave it up to others to decide if they themselves see the parallels.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
12:09 pm
The party elite know Gingrich; they understand that proposing to put Newt in position to be president of the United States would, in its own way, be as grossly irresponsible as putting someone like Sarah Palin in that role.
Unless, of course, occupying the Oval Office at this time is not in their plans.
If they were truly serious about taking the White House, candidates like Palin and Gingrich wouldn’t even be considered.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 10th, 2011
12:10 pm
The party elite know Gingrich; they understand that proposing to put Newt in position to be president of the United States would, in its own way, be as grossly irresponsible as putting someone like Sarah Palin in that role.
Given their indoctrine and whining, they do not know how to be responsible. They are forever being victims of themselves
carlosgvv
December 10th, 2011
12:13 pm
The Republicans have learned well the lessons of propaganda, brainwashing and lying taught to them by their corporate sponsors in the Advertising Industry. They have been so successful that many, if not most, Republican voters have the mind-set of cult followers. Newt knows this and will play it for all it is worth. De-programming the Republican electorate will only probably occur when a truly disasterous Republican President is elected and proceeds to ruin the Country. Needless to say, he or she will have to be far worse than George W. Bush, if that’s possible.
tc
December 10th, 2011
12:15 pm
Gingrich or Palin would be far better for the country than Obama
getalife
December 10th, 2011
12:19 pm
Funny how the cons want the man that invented the mandate to buy crappy health insurance but want to repeal that health care mandate.
All of the newt’s ideas are horrible ideas but the cons want him anyway.
Bring on the newt.
Four more years.
No Big Deal
December 10th, 2011
12:22 pm
You an say what you want about Newt, but I seem to recall that when he became Speaker of the House, he delivered on almost every ‘Contract’ item he promised (compare that to Obama’s record) and Congress worked pretty well with the Clinton Administration (compare that to today’s ship of fools – on both sides of the aisle), which all let to a (so-called) balanced budget and some pretty good years economically.
Tommy
December 10th, 2011
12:22 pm
Palin is a great idea… if you want to see civil war and genocide on American soil.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
12:24 pm
No Big Deal, you left out the part in which his own party then ran him out of leadership because he was so unstable, unpredictable and dictatorial.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
12:25 pm
He shut down government con and it was President Clinton that gave us peace and prosperity.
Don’t worry con, if you run the newt we will revisit President Clinton’s great leadership this cycle.
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
12:30 pm
What we really need is a guy to come into the presidency with zero executive experience, zero meaningful private sector experience, but lots of aggitating experience as a community organizer clamoring for more free shiite. Oops. Never mind. Looks like we already have that.
Say what you will about Newt’s personal issues but the fact of the matter is that as speaker he forced Clinton into welfare reform and something called a balanced budget. Just a fact libs. Think we’ll ever get a balanced budget under this clown in office? Bwahahahahahahahaahah!
As for personal issues are the Dems really going to bring that up with Newt? Especially after the various affairs, alleged rape, and seduction of a 22 year old intern by Clinton not to mention perjury and disbarrment? Libs can’t possibly be that stupid. Or can they???
Jay
December 10th, 2011
12:30 pm
Not to mention unethical.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
12:31 pm
Basically, the President can just run ads on what the gop said about the newt when he was run out of office.
If you want to make it that easy for the reelection of President Obama, I can live with that.
DeBee Corley
December 10th, 2011
12:31 pm
Newt is bad because Newt is bad?
I don’t remember it that way. I remember a balanced budget when he was Speaker of the House.
I read that members of the House of Representatives hated him. Gee, you think? Crashing their irresponsible spending party,
Interesting to read the responses. Just like the NY Times responses.
Frank Whittaker
December 10th, 2011
12:31 pm
It’s no wonder Republicans are angry and bitter; there has been a complete failure of leadership in the GOP. If Gingrich gets the nomination I will be surprised if the RNC lifts a finger in the general election.
Beverly Fraud
December 10th, 2011
12:33 pm
Ah, so Jay IS around. Was I wrong in drawing the parallels?
What are you talking about?
December 10th, 2011
12:33 pm
“Not to mention unethical.”
Obama, Holder, Biden, Hillary, Corzine, Blago, Frank……
All unethical.
Again, Jay is the most pointless person employed by the AJC.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 10th, 2011
12:33 pm
Gingrich or Palin would be far better for the country than Obama
This message brought to you by “Comedy Writers Looking for More Material in America” We reeeeallly want Perry see but we may have to settle for Newt. Of course Tina is still hoping for Palin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLQrMqog8Fk&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLQrMqog8Fk&feature=player_embedded#!
What are you talking about?
December 10th, 2011
12:34 pm
“The panic of the GOP’s Washington establishment has become, well, entertaining.”
Again, nothing about the falling dollar, 15 trillion dollar debt, 40% approval rating of Obozo etc..
Jay, it’s time for your old a$$ to retire to Granny Godzilla’s nursing home.
What are you talking about?
December 10th, 2011
12:34 pm
LSU
Hit with 5 years probation.
'Selective memory' by GetaLife
December 10th, 2011
12:34 pm
So, getalife, when things are going well, and a Democrat is President, the President gets credit. But, when things are going horribly wrong, and a Democrat is President, it’s the former president’s fault?
Just asking you to clarify, and point out that it was Reagan that brought down the Soviet Union, which allowed Clinton to use the former military budget to expand social programs and with pressure from a Republican (Newt) led to a balanced budget.
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 10th, 2011
12:35 pm
Newt’s rise among the wingnuts is based on one big factor – that he can out debate Obama.
Are they ever in for a surprise.
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
12:37 pm
Choice is simple really.
Newt would bring if not a balanced or close to balanced budget at least some semblance of fiscal sanity.
Obama???- More economic stagnation, earth shattering debt accumulation, and strangling regulation of the economy. Give him enough time and he will make the U.S. look like another Democratic sheethole- Detroit.
Give Newt enough time and he will make the U.S. look like another Republican stronghold- namely Texas which according the federal reserve has generated nearly 40% of all new jobs in the past 10 years in the U.S.
Just the facts libs.
So how many more millions have we added to the national debt in the last 5 minutes?
Jay
December 10th, 2011
12:37 pm
Talking, if I were so pointless, you wouldn’t feel compelled to come here and repeatedly claim that I was pointless.
Because that would be, well, pointless.
What are you talking about?
December 10th, 2011
12:37 pm
“It’s no wonder Republicans are angry and bitter”
Bitter: See OWS scumbags who rape, crap on cop cars and destroy public property. OHHHHH, and now the DNC wants them banned from the DNC convention.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
12:37 pm
Afghanistan brought the USSR down.
What are you talking about?
December 10th, 2011
12:38 pm
“Talking, if I were so pointless, you wouldn’t feel compelled to come here and repeatedly claim that I was pointless.”
Maybe you should do a copy and paste job on what I wrote, Jay.
Again, pointless.
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 10th, 2011
12:39 pm
Newt voted AGAINST Clinton’s budget balancing acts.
And the idea that Reagan ended the Cold War is ludicrous. But I give him credit for not starting a disastrous war like Dumbya did.
What are you talking about?
December 10th, 2011
12:39 pm
“Afghanistan brought the USSR down.”
Yeah, and eskimos killed Hitler.
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
12:39 pm
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck,
I’m always humored by folks who think that ridiculing one ethnic group is socially acceptable but ridiculing others is politically incorrect. Hypocrisy much ma’am?
What are you talking about?
December 10th, 2011
12:40 pm
“And the idea that Reagan ended the Cold War is ludicrous.”
Tell that to the USSR.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
12:40 pm
Stop lying about LSU.
After we beat Bama again, there is no doubt who is the best college football team in our country.
Geaux Tigers!
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 10th, 2011
12:42 pm
Don’t you just love Gingrichs Middle East ‘piece’ plan
Gotta love a teacher who hasn’t learned shyte
Martin the Calvinist
December 10th, 2011
12:42 pm
You can’t trust politicians who vote themselves raises on a yearly basis, allow themselves to insider trading, vote themselves out of social security and gave themselves retirement after 8 years of “service”, spend like crazy giving friends free federal dollars. That is the mantra of both the Republican and Democrat party. I get it that the republicans are hypocrites. What I don’t get is that the Democrats are just as guilty and they get a free pass by their supporters.
No Big Deal
December 10th, 2011
12:43 pm
Jay, I think the reason Newt resigned (after being re-elected by large margins) was because he couldn’t, in good faith, attempt to over-see the impeachment of President Clinton’s lying under oath (it was only about sex…), a felony by the way, while his past had some less than ethical dealings with other women.
I can also recall that Newt repaying the US taxpayers for this ethics hearing costs by borrowing money (with interest rate) from a friend (Dole) as opposed to Clinton setting up donor accounts (funded mostly by sequentially numbered money orders from China) to pay for his defense costs.
Granted, the Washington establishment doesn’t like him, but how much longer can we let the Washington insiders – from either party – continue to run the USA into the grounds?? How many freshman politicians head to DC with the dream of changing the game only to be run out of town with their tail between their legs?
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 10th, 2011
12:43 pm
Thulsa – I am a Jon Stewart, George Carlin, and Bill Maher fan Every group is fair game.
Besides, its Boortz I am ridiculing.
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
12:44 pm
Not a neal boortz,
I guess you’re not much for history are ya? Unless of course its lib revisionist history. Wrong on both counts. When getalife, another lib, blames the Repubs for shutting down govt when newt was there what in the hell do you think the purpose of that was? It was to get Clinton serious about a balanced budget and slow down govt spending.
I’m always willing to help out libs and their distorted sense of history.
“When the previous fiscal year ended on September 30, 1995, the president and the Republican-controlled Congress had not passed a budget. A majority of Congress members and the House Speaker, Newt Gingrich, had promised to slow the rate of government spending; however, this conflicted with the president’s objectives for education, the environment, Medicare, and public health.[1] According to Clinton’s autobiography, their differences resulted from differing estimates of economic growth, medical inflation, and anticipated revenues.[2]
When Clinton refused to cut the budget in the way Republicans wanted, Gingrich threatened to refuse to raise the debt limit, which would have caused the United States Treasury to suspend funding other portions of the government to avoid putting the country in default.[2]
Gingrich and the incoming Republican majority’s promise to slow the rate of government spending conflicted with the president’s agenda for Medicare, education, the environment and public health, leading to a temporary shutdown of the U.S. federal government.[3]“- Wikipedia
Don't Forget
December 10th, 2011
12:45 pm
Gingrich is a great example of “careful what you wish for”. As president he will do serious harm to the republican brand. He would make both Obama and W look good by comparison. The notion that we need anybody but Obama may damage both the country and the R’s.
JamVet
December 10th, 2011
12:45 pm
Newt will win.
But only if the Dems also go back in their time machine and nominate Dick Gephardt.
The pompous blowhard was ridiculous then and is an even bigger buffoon now. Not to mention serial adulterer and misanthrope.
The latest shining example of his vast historical credentials?
A major league foot in mouth episode regarding Palestine.
Take a hint, fake conservatives, we Hebes do not trust nor like your little jerks and their faux love for Israel.
You’ll be lucky to get 15% of the American Jewish vote this time around.
Selah…
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
12:47 pm
So who really was key in balancing the budget during the Clinton years???
“Clinton said Republican amendments would strip the U.S. Treasury of its ability to dip into federal trust funds to avoid a borrowing crisis. Republican amendments would have limited appeals by death-row inmates, made it harder to issue health, safety and environmental regulations,* and would have committed the president to a seven-year balanced budge*t”- wikipedia
Aaaaaand I repeat “would have committed the president to a seven- year balanced budget”. Just the facts ma’am. Just the facts.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
12:48 pm
Martin,
Progressives have been purging corrupt dems for a decade so they do not get a free pass.
corporate media gives the gop a free pass on blocking recovery for this election.
All the unpatriotic and unAmerican actions done by the gop “to get Obama” have failed.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
12:48 pm
NBD, proposing Freddie Mac’s $1.6 million in-house “historian” as a Washington outsider is quite the stretch, to say the least. But it does testify to Newt’s ability to obscure his own history.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 10th, 2011
12:48 pm
Too bad that Newt didn’t have to run for Congress in the district that he last represented (when it was more balanced).
Very few would have voted for the carpetbagger from west Georgia (who he previously represented).
Frank Whittaker
December 10th, 2011
12:50 pm
That the GOP is afraid of offending The Birthers (fergawdsakes) tells you everything you need to know about the state of The Republican Party. They’ll be lucky if Frankenewt becomes the nominee and not somebody even freakier.
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 10th, 2011
12:52 pm
Nope, Thulsa.
Clinton passed an act which CUT $500 billion from the budget and added more in tax revenue. No Republican voted for it (it raised the top end tax rate to 39.6%). Numbers show that act did more to create the 90s surplus than anything else.
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-2671462/The-success-of-the-1993.html
When Newt starts lying in the debate Obama should hit him with this!
TaxPayer
December 10th, 2011
12:52 pm
Newt, Newt, Newt.
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
12:53 pm
I am a Jon Stewart, George Carlin, and Bill Maher fan Every group is fair game.
I went to a George Carlin performance at the fox years back when W was running for re-election I think it was. May have been the first time though. Anyway I had to put up with listening to Carlin go into a diatribe in the middle of his routine about why we shouldn’t vote for W and the Republicans. Just another celebrity left wing hack in my book. And his routine that night really wasn’t that funny anyway.
And if you think that Maher and Stewart are equally critical of the left as they are of the right then you probably would think that Kim Il Sung is as caring on human rights as the Dalai Lama.
No Big Deal
December 10th, 2011
12:53 pm
Common Sense: “Too bad that Newt didn’t have to run for Congress in the district that he last represented”
You mean like Hilary Clinton, former Arkansas resident before spending 8 years in DC, running in New York, or Obama’s man Rahm Emanuel, after living for several years in DC, running in Chicago??
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 10th, 2011
12:56 pm
No Big Deal – yep exactly like them
No Big Deal
December 10th, 2011
12:57 pm
Redneck “Clinton passed an act which CUT $500 billion from the budget and added more in tax revenue. No Republican voted for it (it raised the top end tax rate to 39.6%). Numbers show that act did more to create the 90s surplus than anything else.”
SO, using your logic, we can return to a surplus budget if we simply increase tax rates to, say, 45%? What about 50%? Hell, let’s make it 90% – we;ll have one hell of a surplus then, won’t we?!?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 10th, 2011
1:00 pm
Clinton was more a practical pragmatist than many other presidents.
Hell Ronald Reagan couldn’t pass the purity test now.
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 10th, 2011
1:02 pm
NBD – that act cut spending MORE than any time in US history but only at a 1-1 ratio to tax increases.
Obama offered a 3-1 ratio. Its obvious the GOP is not serious about cutting the deficit since they said “NO”.
And Thulsa – we agree, Maher, Stewart, and Carlin are much tougher on conservatives.
What are you talking about?
December 10th, 2011
1:03 pm
“You’ll be lucky to get 15% of the American Jewish vote this time around.”
That’s fine. We’ll get the white vote, independent vote etc, race baiter.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
1:03 pm
No, NBD. 39.6 percent would be fine.
BTW, the same argument could be made in reverse about the Laffer argument: “Let’s just keep cutting taxes to zero, and we’ll be rolling in revenue.”
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
1:04 pm
No neal Boortz
It was a joint effort, although there was some conflict between the two sides, including a couple of government shutdowns. Clinton proposed to balance the budget all right, but his initial proposals delayed the hard cuts and the actual balancing until he would have been out of office, in 2002. Newt and the Republican controlled Congress forced his hand and called for more immediate cuts. The result, after some contentious negotiations was a balanced budget for the last couple of years of his tenure. There were annual surpluses for, I think, three years, but none of them were large enough to actually reduce the national debt, only pay off a larger chunk of the annual interest. One large issue was that many of the cuts were to infrastructure related items, so things like highways, bridges, dams and such suffered some neglect as a result
Paulo977
December 10th, 2011
1:05 pm
carlosgvv
……Republican voters have the mind-set of cult followers. Newt knows this and will play it for all it is worth. De-programming the Republican electorate will only probably occur when a truly disasterous Republican President is elected and proceeds to ruin the Country.
_________________________________
Cult followers are really really difficult to deprogram….They would rather stick with their noses cut off!!
JamVet
December 10th, 2011
1:05 pm
Wasn’t it last year there was all this nonsense about the new “young rising stars in the GOP”?
But to look at this absurd slate of candidates, where the hell are they all?
Face it cons, recycled garbage is still garbage.
And Newt stinks to high heaven.
And even you GOP First, America Second rubes know it…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 10th, 2011
1:08 pm
There is a way for many on the right to lower your taxes.
Just claim 8 dependants and don’t file.
On top of that you get to join the 47% that don’t pay income taxes and eventually you will also get 3 hots and a cot to go along with it.
Get started the New Year approaches.
Don't Forget
December 10th, 2011
1:10 pm
Fits Newt pretty well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOPTriLG5cU
What are you talking about?
December 10th, 2011
1:10 pm
“But to look at this absurd slate of candidates, where the hell are they all?”
Laughing at you.
JamVet
December 10th, 2011
1:11 pm
Newt get the independent vote??
Huge chortle and guffaw.
You’ll get the same vote you always get, Meat. And like it.
The enraged, violence-addicted groups in Dixie and in the backwaters of the Midwest and in Idaho.
And that’s about it…
BTW, Arnold Einsteen, Judaism is not a race…
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
1:11 pm
Jay
December 10th, 2011
1:03 pm
No, NBD. 39.6 percent would be fine.
BTW, the same argument could be made in reverse about the Laffer argument: “Let’s just keep cutting taxes to zero, and we’ll be rolling in revenue.”
Jay,
Neither is reasonable. We can’t just cut taxes to zero or even as low as 10% because obviously we do need tax revenue to run govt. But neither do we need high marginal tax rates with top tax rates at 70% or crazy numbers like that which simply inhibit risk taking activity.
From what I’ve seen on the IRS tables and other sources I think the cap. gains tax rate needs to be raised to 18-19% from the current 15% to raise more revenue. But one thing we’ve never had on here is an honest discussion as to at what level we should have marginal income tax rates, especially the top marginal rates. In other words at roughly what level do we maximize revenue to the treasury without affecting investor behavior and risk taking entrprenurial behavior. Don’t know if I’ve ever seen that blog topic on you or anyone else’s column.
Don't Forget
December 10th, 2011
1:17 pm
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
1:11 pm
good post
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
1:19 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
December 10th, 2011
1:08 pm
“There is a way for many on the right to lower your taxes.
Just claim 8 dependants and don’t file.”
I think the magic # is 9 dependents. But people catch on pretty quick and illegal aliens now know how to skirt taxes. If you ever talk to anyone who works at a poultry plant or carpet mill then they’ll tell you the illegals do claim 9, 16, crazy numbers of dependents to avoid paying taxes. If you’re using a stolen or fictitious ss number then what do you care?
Knew a guy who was a sawmill manager in South Georgia. They had an all immigrant workforce and everyone had fictitious ss numbers. Anyway, they would submit these numbers and 2 months later the IRS would return 250 letters saying the SS #s were no good. So like clockwork the workers would all just resubmit info with new SS #s and the cycle would start all over again. You would think the IRS would catch on but they didn’t.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
1:20 pm
Thulsa, I agree with every point of your 1:11.
The only problem is, economics doesn’t give us the kind of answers that you seek, re: the optimal “Goldilocks” marginal tax rate. There’s no question, for example, that the Laffer curve theory is correct. It was standard theory long before Laffer ever drew it on a cocktail napkin.
But again, we don’t know where we are on that curve at any given moment in time.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 10th, 2011
1:24 pm
TD – I agree with you in many ways, but the problem is many in Congress (right and left) have lost their reasoning powers.
They pander to their party and refuse to do what’s BEST for the many. We are all in this together.
Many people would lost their jobs since the downturn around 2000 (pre-Bush) were productive tax paying members and now are being vilified if they can’t get a decent job in the current economy.
Until corporations realize that the people create demand and quit shipping jobs offshore we will continue to have problems as a nation.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 10th, 2011
1:27 pm
E-verify is a joke. Any valid purchased SSN will show up as valid to e-verify (even if the person is dead).
Companies don’t even try to match the names.
Soothsayer
December 10th, 2011
1:28 pm
Absolutely great statement, Jay! Great read.
It comes as no surprise to anyone except the brainwashed, lunatic-fringe Right that they are now at logical end-point of over a decade of Fright-Wing talk radio, hatred, mass-indoctrination and fear-mongering.
It’s too late now to go back to the drawing board. The Lush-Bots have taken on a life of their own — a Dr. Frankenstein’s monster come to life.
How else can you explain the fact that an overstuffed windbag blowhard like Newt Gingrich is the only logical choice for the nomination?
I fear that if the Republicans and their lunatic Fright-Wing fringe somehow manage to win the election, we will be living under martial law in a totalitarian, fascist government within the first term.
Erwin's cat
December 10th, 2011
1:32 pm
Newt ought to be sponsored by “Foster Grant”
Great Example
December 10th, 2011
1:34 pm
Congrats, Soothsayer – Your comment “It comes as no surprise to anyone except the brainwashed, lunatic-fringe Right… ” sums up exactly what is wrong with our country. 90% of its citizens have their heads up their politically-motivated (aka ignorant) asses so far that they are not willing to consider the other side’s opinion regardless of its consequences.
And the remaining 10% change their mind ever 2 years. It’s only a matter of time until the mighty USA joins the ranks of the Romans. I only hope it’s not in my life (although it’s looking more and more like it every day).
Tommy Maddox
December 10th, 2011
1:39 pm
“Progressives have been purging corrupt dems for a decade so they do not get a free pass.”
And robots are reading my mail…
Don't Forget
December 10th, 2011
1:40 pm
Newt has two modes: attack and run away seriously wounded. That should make for an interesting foreign policy.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
1:46 pm
I see that this column has now been reposted by our friends at Free Republic. The commentary is interesting: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2818649/posts
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC!
December 10th, 2011
1:47 pm
Why are these white men so angry? Did they not get nurtured when they were young? Now that they are older are they not getting the love they so DESPARATELY craved?
Republican women have you been NEGLIGENT IN YOUR WOMANLY DUTIES?
Why are your men SO ANGRY? MMMMMmmmmmmm!
A loved and well taken care of man is a happy man who will not be so ANGRY!
Obama is a happy man who loves his wife.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC!
December 10th, 2011
1:48 pm
Newt is the leader of ANGRY WHITE MEN!
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC!
December 10th, 2011
1:49 pm
Newt has so much baggage he would bring down an airplaine.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC!
December 10th, 2011
1:50 pm
If Newt were elected president he would find a way to CHEAT on the country.
What are you talking about?
December 10th, 2011
1:50 pm
“The enraged, violence-addicted groups in Dixie and in the backwaters of the Midwest and in Idaho.”
You must be talking about OWS scum, race baiter. Also, I never said anything about Judaism being a race. You should spend more time reading and less time ranting.
Now go back to occupying a gas station.
Soothsayer
December 10th, 2011
1:50 pm
An interesting component of the current atmosphere of angst in America is collective amnesia. Everyone seems to forget:
1. There was a very expensive war. Whether the war was in fact “necessary” so as to Keep America Safe, is debatable. But putting that to one side, it most certainly did not generate a return on investment in the form of looting and pillaging…which always used to be the main justification for going to war in the old days, and that in the cold light of debt servitude, arguably remains the only fiscally-responsible reason for going to war…ever…so long as you win!
2. The war was “financed” by tax cuts, or in other words by debt.
3. There was a credit crunch caused by a brilliant theory which had proved beyond all reasonable doubt that (1) economic prosperity could be achieved by increasing the level of home-ownership, and (2) the best way to do that was to use the GSE’s to help to harness the magical “free-market” powers of securitization to make mountains of credit available so that the new home owners paid twice as much for their new houses than they would have in normal circumstances. There is a widespread consensus nowadays that there was what in a rare moment of lucidity Alan Greenspan called, “a flaw”, in that theory.
4. When the “flaw” was recognized, well there was a bit of consternation, because banks discovered that what they had previously thought were AAA assets, which they had bought on margins of up to 30:1 turned out to be worth a lot less than the somewhat optimistic valuations that they had used to calculate their bonuses…back in the days when there was a widespread belief that house prices would go up forever.
5. And so the “lender of last resort” stepped in, which in a fiat monetary system is the standard Plan B response when “flaws” in brilliant socio-economic theories are discovered. But even so tax revenues plummeted, particularly since they had previously been bolstered by taking a share of the “profits” that the banks had declared so as to maximize their bonuses, and thus the Federal Government had to borrow heavily to honor prior commitments, i.e. to pay for the fiscal sins of the past.
6. On top of all that, oil prices went through the roof, and since Americans don’t pay any significant tax to finance their divine right to waste imported oil, that caused even more problems.
7. Then the hyperventilating hyper-inflation doomsayers all came streaming out of the wood-work, screaming blue-murder that the end of the world was happening, and that the whole problem was caused by entitlements, unionized-teachers, illegal immigrants, and closet homosexuals in the Military; and if the “money-printing” didn’t stop This Instant then America would never be Great ever-again. That was a superb theory; although three years later there are reasons to suspect there might have been a “flaw” in that one too.
Fast forward to now:
These days everyone says that President Obama lost the plot.
They conveniently forget that he got left a stinking pile of garbage to clean up. Of course that’s the American way, all show and no trousers; everyone remembers a great party (vaguely), but no one remembers the black boy that comes-by in the morning to sweep up the mess. Except for the vocal few who wake up from their hangovers and berate the lazy bum for not working faster…so that they can all start partying again.
This is a great short read with an interesting chart if you’re interested. I couldn’t help posting most of the text because it is so very true.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
1:50 pm
Nearly 80 comments, and still no, “you Dems are afraid of Newt ’cause he’s gonna wipe the floor with Obama/clean Obama’s clock in a debate.”
You guys are slipping.
Just sayin’.
What are you talking about?
December 10th, 2011
1:51 pm
Obama has two modes.
1: Agitate
2: Blame others
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
1:51 pm
Jay,
I have an economics degree so in some agreement with you for once. Economics is an imprecise science and there is no set number or goldilocks rate because economics is a dynamic and not static picture. Same as in studying the capital gains taxes. You have to approximate at where you are in the economy at any point in time and therefore the appropriate level of taxation.
But in what I’ve studied and accounting for differences in macro conditions it seems to me that you can peg a number or range that’s reasonable in approximation and that range should be adhered to and adjusted given macro conditions. I see no reason as to why a general range of optimal marginal tax rates that deliver the most GDP while maximizing federal tax revenues while adjusting for macro conditions can’t be established given the mountain of economic data that we have.
The reason I suspect has more to do with politics then people wanting to know the real truth about what the appropriate taxation levels should be.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC!
December 10th, 2011
1:53 pm
@Jake December 10th, 2011 12:07 pm – Is “or Obama” the wingnut version of “in bed”?
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Maybe if some of you were “IN BED” maybe you would not be SO ANGRY.
Vinny
December 10th, 2011
1:54 pm
Newt would be far better than the incompetent Marxist that presides in the White house now.
Jm
December 10th, 2011
1:55 pm
Bye bye occupy Boston
stands for decibels
December 10th, 2011
1:55 pm
our friends at Free Republic.
yowsa, I haven’t been to Freeperville in ages. I see its clunky interface is still every bit as ugly as its content.
Vinny
December 10th, 2011
1:55 pm
And Obama is the leader of angry black racists!
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
1:58 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
December 10th, 2011
1:24 pm
TD – I agree with you in many ways, but the problem is many in Congress (right and left) have lost their reasoning powers.
Common sense I can’t argue with you there. I think they’ve all lost touch with reality and their reasoning powers in particular.
In regards to outsourcing this has been going on for decades now. As the world gets smaller and smaller through globalization we are going to continue to lose jobs. And more and more I think we will continue to lose IT and technical jobs to cheaper but very competent Indian labor. In the long run we will all be better off according to the law of comparative advantage but in the short run there’s definitely going to be some pain as workers, even highly skilled workers, are replaced. Happened to the textile workers over the last 20 years and next up are programmers and others.
stands for decibels
December 10th, 2011
1:59 pm
He is their creation.
he’s an “invented” person, a-yup.
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
2:00 pm
Kammy,
Ask and you shall receive. Happy to oblige you!
Aint no doubt. Newt will destroy Obama in a debate. And I think you guys know that.
Soothsayer
December 10th, 2011
2:01 pm
Doomy: maybe you could regale us with a brief discourse on Chicago School economics and monetarism a la Milton Friedman and how that’s working out today.
Soothsayer
December 10th, 2011
2:03 pm
“In the long run we will all be better off according to the law of comparative advantage but in the short run there’s definitely going to be some pain as workers, even highly skilled workers, are replaced.”
Doomy: comparative advantage has nothing to do with it. What we have is absolute advantage of low labor costs and nothing more.
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
2:04 pm
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC!
Looks like we have a race baiter alert. Nothing like a race hustler spewing all manner of hyperbole and rhetoric. Excuse me while I go pop some popcorn and sit down to watch his show.
Paul
December 10th, 2011
2:05 pm
Never before has anything so amusing made me so nauseous.
And, frankly, concerned for the future of this country.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
2:05 pm
An economist is just a person that will tell you why his last weeks predictions were wrong.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
2:05 pm
I think the opposite would happen, Thulsa. Newt would lose … to Newt. His inner Megamind would doom him.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 10th, 2011
2:06 pm
Thulsa Doom @December 10th, 2011
1:51 pm
This is Common Sense and I approve of this message.
Jm
December 10th, 2011
2:07 pm
Newt is better than Palin
Good grief Jay
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
2:08 pm
Sooth,
Comparative advantage in a nutshell says let each nation do what they do best and at a cheaper cost and export that service or good. For example we will lose and have lost textile jobs to China and the rest of the world. The result? We lost thousands of lowpaying $10 textile mill jobs but we are able to buy washclothes and other products at cheaper prices than ever before. Overall we are better off as a whole even though there was short term pain to some who lost their jobs. If someone else can do something cheaper and better than let them. We’ll have some short term pain to some of our workforce but overall will be better off.
Paul
December 10th, 2011
2:08 pm
“I see that this column has now been reposted by our friends at Free Republic. The commentary is interesting: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2818649/posts”
The comments there make Jay’s bloggers seem absolutely brilliant by comparison.
Jm
December 10th, 2011
2:09 pm
Kam 2:05
. Good one
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
2:10 pm
Sooth @ 2:01,
I could do that. But it would be lengthy and boring. Wiki is much better.
Jm
December 10th, 2011
2:12 pm
Inner mega mind
I rather think the guy has a touch of megalomania combined with ADD
Janney
December 10th, 2011
2:12 pm
Terrific article, Jay!
barking frog
December 10th, 2011
2:12 pm
I can attribute a lot of gingrich’s poll popularity to discontent
but I still think the RNC better figure out why the party base doesn’t
like Romney..religion, liberalism ? If they don’t the Party will splinter
and become irrrelevant..
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
2:13 pm
Jay @ 2:05,
I hate it when you use “doom” in a post to make your retort to me. It feels almost like copyright infringement. Like Doomy been violated.
barking frog
December 10th, 2011
2:15 pm
Just Jay Bookman shining through and on Saturday too..Excellent.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC!
December 10th, 2011
2:15 pm
Angry White Men who need some TLC at home:
Neal Boortz
Rush Limbaugh
John Boehner
Eric Cantor
Carl Rove
Newt Gingrich
Herman Cain
Rick Perry
Mitch McConnell
Nathan Deal
Saxby Chambliss
Bill O”Reilly
Shawn Hannity
Donald Trump
Romantic relationships work best if both partners respect and admire each other; if each believes he or she is lucky to have the other.
The feelings associated with love are fantastic, but love does its best work as a verb, where each partner constantly works in the best interest of the other.
Why do you think Obama smiles so much and is not a Frankenstein monster! Because he is a HAPPY MAN at home!
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 10th, 2011
2:15 pm
TD – outsourcing may be the future for high tech jobs, but I disagree with the highly intelligent part of your statement.
Most of the ones I am running into in the business sector are no more than mediocre. They do not understand business at all and have to be hand held throughout the entire project.
It may be a lack of communication skills or business training at the ‘colleges’ they graduate from in India.
But they do work cheap. They are mostly coming through Indian owned consulting companies here in the US and are paid very low (US) wages and are put into corporate apartments that very few would want to live in.
That said some I work with are outstanding (most of these have been in the US a while). But on the whole don’t you think it would be worth it to put several hundred thousand STEM workers back to work and end the H1b visa program?
Jay
December 10th, 2011
2:15 pm
You shouldn’t encourage me like that, Doom. You could get doomed to more of it.
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
2:15 pm
Jm,
I had to laugh also at Kammy’s 2:05. The reality is that economists agree on 90% of what happens if you do this or that. Its the 10% that they disagree on that’s a world of difference. Kinda like humans and monkeys sharing 99% of the same DNA.
barking frog
December 10th, 2011
2:19 pm
Newt can’t even destroy Michele Bachmann in a debate.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC!
December 10th, 2011
2:19 pm
@Vinny December 10th, 2011 1:55 pm – And Obama is the leader of angry black racists!
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The difference between WHITE ANGRY MEN and black angry men is that white men are angry ALL THE TIME and black men get angry when white men p*ss them off.
Soothsayer
December 10th, 2011
2:20 pm
Comparative advantage – A situation in which a country, individual, company or region can produce a good at a lower opportunity cost than a competitor.
Absolute advantage – The ability of a country, individual, company or region to produce a good or service at a lower cost per unit than the cost at which any other entity produces that good or service.
Low-wage countries are always going to have an absolute advantage over developed countries.
The real question is do we want an impoverished United States to save a few pennies on a finished good? I think most Americans are beginning to wake up and say no. This is especially true in that China imposes a 25% tariff on U.S. goods coming into their country and we impose a 2.5% tariff on Chinese goods coming into this country.
Most corporations, who are behind outsourcing to increase profits, are the main drivers behind outsourcing.
So, in fact, they have abandoned their own people in favor of workers in low-wage countries and really don’t care about the misery and suffering they cause.
And, for that matter, neither do most Americans unless they, themselves, have been affected.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
2:20 pm
I guess we have some freepers visiting today.
Soothsayer
December 10th, 2011
2:22 pm
getalife: what is a freeper?
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
2:24 pm
Common Sense,
In reading your statement in retrospect I would have to take back some of what I said and defer to your comments. I know quite a few of them also since several of my friends are in IT and yes you’re right. A lot of them are more about rote memorization or being trained to do a specific type of programming but as far as being good businessman in general or understanding business many of them are indeed sorely lacking.
What I find odd is that a few of them that lived in corporate apts liked their apts or regular apts for the long term. But I knew several of them that had no tv, no furniture, just a sleeping bag or blankets on the living room floor. Very simple but I found it strange that they didn’t want to invest $50 in a cheap tv at walmark or some really cheap furniture. I can’t imagine sitting in an empty apartment with nothing to do but they seemed not bothered in the least. Way to spartan for Doomy.
barking frog
December 10th, 2011
2:24 pm
I think you are watching the townspeople (GOP) begin to
destroy the Frankenstein monster (Newt) and it’s not going to be pretty.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
2:24 pm
Sooth,
Bloggers at free republic.
They linked this story.
Check out the comments.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC!
December 10th, 2011
2:25 pm
@Thulsa Doom December 10th, 2011 2:04 pm – The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC! Looks like we have a race baiter alert. Nothing like a race hustler spewing all manner of hyperbole and rhetoric. Excuse me while I go pop some popcorn and sit down to watch his show.
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Alert – Looks like we have an ANGRY WHITE MAN here.
If you were not so “ANGRY” you would not have to pop some popcorn ALONE!
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
2:27 pm
Jay
December 10th, 2011
2:15 pm
You shouldn’t encourage me like that, Doom. You could get doomed to more of it.
Damn. Now I’ve created a monster and Jay finally knows how to get under my skin. Doomy out.
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
2:29 pm
Sooth,
We’ll talk later. Doomy out.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC,
Let go of some of the hate. You’ll be much better without it.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
2:35 pm
Art Laffer on CNBC in mid 2006:
-”The United States economy has never been in better shape!”
-”Monetary policy is spectacular!”
-”This economy…is working beautifully!”
If being wrong was an Olympic event, those three statements would’ve won ol’ Art the gold, silver and bronze medals.
josef
December 10th, 2011
2:37 pm
ZamVet
“The enraged, violence-addicted groups in Dixie and in the backwaters of the Midwest and in Idaho.”
And JUST the “backwaters” of the Midwest and Idaho, but ALL of Dixie?
You sound like a lot of others when talking about “those people,” whoever it is “those people” may be…You’re so broadbrush anti-Southern it makes you sound like Scout and Muslims…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 10th, 2011
2:46 pm
It’s hard to say which is more rabid the hard left or the hard right.
Until we throw more of the hardliners out from both sides there isn’t crap gonna get done.
What are you talking about?
December 10th, 2011
2:49 pm
“Looks like we have an ANGRY WHITE MAN here.”
More race baiting by the resident troll.
nelsonh
December 10th, 2011
2:54 pm
8 more days when the quintisential candidate and the one destined to win it al is unveiled.. So far the republicans have been satisfied with sandwhiches when a banquet is availvable. A banquet to celebrate the next president. Newt has no charisma, Mitt is a manufactured candidate, the next President is waiting to be called.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 10th, 2011
2:57 pm
the next President is waiting to be called.
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The number is 1-800-386-2277
that’s
1-800-dumbass
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC!
December 10th, 2011
3:07 pm
@Thulsa Doom December 10th, 2011 2:29 pm – Sooth, The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC, Let go of some of the hate. You’ll be much better without it.
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I do no hate anyone . I am my brother’s keeper. The struggle between good and evil is waged everyday.
I speak what I feel and what I feel is that the battle between good and evil is far from over.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC!
December 10th, 2011
3:09 pm
What are you talking about? December 10th, 2011 2:49 pm – “Looks like we have an ANGRY WHITE MAN here.” More race baiting by the resident troll.
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You keep making my point! Why are you guys so angry?
Anonymous Guest
December 10th, 2011
3:13 pm
I agree with you that the conservative movement is not as intellectually rigorous as it should be, although some form of vulgar conservatism is probably needed for a mass movement. Likewise, left-liberalism isn’t exactly intellectually defensible. The left has never even tried to lay out a theoretical blueprint for their side starting from first principles. Instead, the foundation upon which left-liberalism lies is nothing more than discovering a real or imagined problem and agitating for action which will supposedly solve that problem. At best, liberals tend to solve that problem, but at the cost of creating 5 more problems. In the worst case, they also make the problem they tried to solve even worse.
Out of the Republican field, only Ron Paul qualifies as an intellectually minded candidate. Fortunately for our country’s future, he is the most appealing candidate in the field to younger voters and his supporters are the most intelligent and most passionate. Sadly, he tends to attract some fringe elements due to his status as an outsider who is opposed by both the left and right wings of the media establishment. Paul is also undeniably the most conservative candidate on economic issues and the only fiscal conservative in my view out of the 5 still standing (Romney, Gingrich, Paul, Santorum, Huntsman). But the rhetoric-only Tea Partiers (AKA Republican Base) won’t support him because Paul has a realistic and sane position on foreign policy. They’d rather support the mandate-supporting Global Warming-believing Freddie Mac lobbyist fraud who denies the existence of a Palestinian people and wants to make the fanatic John Bolton his Secretary of State. Thank God Newt Gingrich has no chance of winning a general election because this country is finished if John Bolton is permitted to turn the entire world against us.
stands for decibels
December 10th, 2011
3:22 pm
I’m just wondering what it is about TLC network that’s so great for white guys. I used to think Trading Spaces was all right, but I haven’t seen it for awhile now. Please to explain.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
3:24 pm
Shorter Anonymous Guest: Ron Paul RULZ!
Recon 0311 2533
December 10th, 2011
3:27 pm
Jay sure has turned on the melodrama in regurgitating far- left Kool-Aid to his blog faithful this Saturday afternoon. Talk about red meat.
AmVet - If you're a Republican, please punch yourself in the face.
December 10th, 2011
3:27 pm
The meat at JB’s sure is a low grade variety on Saturdays.
But just as hysterical…
Qu’est-ce que c’est?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX6FsTIq6ls
Tom Middleton
December 10th, 2011
3:28 pm
Absolutely, Jay! And by the time the GOP finishes beating itself up with all of its desperation and indecision, we’ll be able to knock over that final candidate with a peashooter. As I said before, I love it when a plan comes together!
Jm
December 10th, 2011
3:38 pm
Neverheard of the TLC network
Speaking as one white guy American mutt
JohnnyReb
December 10th, 2011
3:38 pm
Jay, your thoughts and observations of Republicans are close, but no cigar. You think Newt would be a disaster. We think even with his faults he would be such an improvement over Obama that his past aggressions are given little thought. The GOP elite are hoping he will blow up just as do you.
Similar to you, who has no true understanding of conservatisism because you are not one, the party elite are on the left side of conservatisim.They just aren’t as far Left as you.
You are also off on the red meat. Kobe would be great, but raw please in the political.
You have the anger part correct, but its more from an awaking than party teachings.
Being of the Liberal Press you will never agree, but Legacy TV is in the tank for Progressivisim past the point of redemption. They only ocassionally perform a random act of journalisim, as Rush likes to call it.
Jm
December 10th, 2011
3:40 pm
Ron Paul blows
Mitt Romney rocks
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
3:42 pm
Rush.
There’s your sign.
Don't Forget
December 10th, 2011
3:47 pm
Thulsa: Economics is an imprecise science
I think even that is a stretch. Sure there’s lots of data to analyze but you can never have a “control” like you have in real science. There’s always more than one thing going on in the economy and you can’t know with certaintiy either the effect or the degree of effect and that is with measureable variables like taxes, productivity, trade policy, regulation, government spending and debt, disposable income etc. Throw in some “intangibles” like consumer or investor sentiment and the rest of the world economy and I think the term “science” is a bit much.
Bill Campbell
December 10th, 2011
3:48 pm
Newt, Palin or even Gomer Pyle would all be a million per cent better that the Grand Czar( Great Divider) who is in office now!
getalife
December 10th, 2011
3:49 pm
“You have the anger part correct, but its more from an awaking than party teachings.”
What awakening?
That your party is corrupt and would collapse the global economy again?
Jay
December 10th, 2011
3:52 pm
So I’ve been outside working on a home woodworking project today. The wood was cut, drilled and sanded to a smooth surface, and I came in to get the oil finish ready to apply.
I walked back outside and found … orange bird poop all over my beautifully prepared surface.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 10th, 2011
3:55 pm
Jay – it’s Obama fault
Don't Forget
December 10th, 2011
3:56 pm
Jay,
At least you weren’t getting ready to grill.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
4:01 pm
There is that, Forget. Sandpaper couldn’t fix THAT one.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
4:01 pm
So I’ve been outside working on a home woodworking project today.
Xmas present?
Tom Middleton
December 10th, 2011
4:08 pm
He’s not a great divider, Mr. Bill. It’s just that we have a radical-right brat called the GOP in the American family who wants everything for itself. It’s your bunch that’s the problem, sir, not our centrist PBO.
Maybe if your party tried evolving a little…oh wait, never mind. I forgot about you folks and evolution…lol.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
4:09 pm
That usually happens after a car is detailed.
Of course, I blame Obama.
He is at the Army Navy game so you can cuss at him .
Jay
December 10th, 2011
4:09 pm
Home improvement, Kam.
Jm
December 10th, 2011
4:09 pm
Jay 3:52
Bush did it. The bush administration never protected birds from inadvertent laxative consumption.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
4:11 pm
Easy fix then Jay. Just make sure the “crappy” side isn’t the presentation side.
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December 10th, 2011
4:17 pm
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Doggone/GA
December 10th, 2011
4:21 pm
Interesting poll on CNN right now: “Are you ready to “boot out” your representative in Congress?”
yes = 81%
no = 19%
Total votes: 127460
Be interesting to see if that holds through the elections next year.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
4:22 pm
Oh, I forgot. You said it’s been drilled, so you already determined which side to present. Bummer
Tom Middleton
December 10th, 2011
4:24 pm
Or you could “antique” it, Jay.
Jm
December 10th, 2011
4:28 pm
Doggone
No doubt.
Incumbency is so powerful. Moat will probably be re-elected but we’ll see
Mark in mid-town
December 10th, 2011
4:28 pm
I don’t know whether Gingrich would make a good president or whether he’d be a disaster. What I do know is that when he was at his heights of power in the House back in the mid 1990s, that a lot of great things happened for the country. Most of the agenda that Clinton ended up taking credit for was actually forced upon him by the Gingrich Congress, from Welfare Reform to capital gains tax rate cut to balanced budgets and then surpluses. When Gingrich stumbled and was forced out by other Republicans — seems to me that’s when the Republican Party lost its way and went on spending sprees that made them indistinguishable from Democrats, that is until the Tea Party came along.
Doggone/GA
December 10th, 2011
4:29 pm
“Incumbency is so powerful. Moat will probably be re-elected but we’ll see”
Yes, that’s why I found it interesting. It does make me wonder how many people who voted made note of the YOUR representative.
Tom Middleton
December 10th, 2011
4:34 pm
Hey, Kam. How’s thangs?
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
4:37 pm
It does make me wonder how many people who voted made note of the YOUR representative.
With re-election rates hovering in the 80-90% range, I’d say that not many were thinking of their own reps./sens.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
4:38 pm
Hiya, Tom.
Somewhat airish up here in the N.C. Mtns.
Tom Middleton
December 10th, 2011
4:47 pm
N.C. is my favorite. Spent some time in wonderful Durham right before I went into the Navy for four years. What a contrast that was! Please enjoy it enough for both of us.
Michael J. Watts
December 10th, 2011
4:48 pm
No Newts is good Newts!
TaxPayer
December 10th, 2011
4:51 pm
Orange bird poop in the winter. A sign of global warming if ever there was one.
Soothsayer
December 10th, 2011
4:53 pm
Jay you gave them a target.
Mick
December 10th, 2011
4:59 pm
Bookman
That was a damn good column, been reading about newt in various publications but you’ve been covering him a long time now, pretty insightful. To me, no matter what any of the righties say, newt is not qualified. The first hit would be iran and there we go again. I mean john bolton as secretary of state? Whoaa…that’s stupid to the tenth power…
ld
December 10th, 2011
5:04 pm
It was when Newt was at his prior height of power that–like another pol at the pinacle of his career–Newt also put himself in a position to be susceptible to blackmail efforts–the potential for a repeat of that idocy is real.
Doggone/GA
December 10th, 2011
5:05 pm
” I’d say that not many were thinking of their own reps./sens.”
Yes, I tend to agree
ld
December 10th, 2011
5:09 pm
Newt has a proven tendency for averice and for brain freeze / idiotic behavior.
The guy w/the fattest head on the GOP stage has appetites that have prompted him to be “thinking with his little head” in the past. I see no indication that those appetites have moderated.
And who really needs a million dollars worth of jewelry?
ld
December 10th, 2011
5:12 pm
Maybe you should leave a tiny spec of that orange color as a natural “interest” conversation prompt.
ld
December 10th, 2011
5:14 pm
The GOP doesn’t dislike gov’t spending–on their own pork.
No more than the Dems do.
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
5:16 pm
Newt compromised way more than Pelosi ever thought about comprimising. period.
Jm
December 10th, 2011
5:20 pm
Hmmmm
http://nyc.barstoolsports.com/m/random-thoughts/7-step-program-to-ruin-your-life/?cb=0953f
midtownguy
December 10th, 2011
5:20 pm
And the people bowed and prayed, to the neon god they’d made…………..
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
5:32 pm
“I walked back outside and found … orange bird poop all over my beautifully prepared surface”
Doomy’s revenge.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
5:33 pm
Are you saying I was “doomed”?
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
5:33 pm
Doggone,
Shonough, Most Americans know that Congress is messed up.hence the poll results you posted and the 10% approval rating. The big problem is that everyone thinks its someone else’s Congressman who is the problem.
Thulsa Doom
December 10th, 2011
5:37 pm
Jay,
There ya go again. You’re worse than Chinese bidnessmen infringing on American copyrights and trademarks. And not much that can be done bout it neither…
RB from Gwinnett
December 10th, 2011
5:41 pm
I guess you can call a Republican a “Frankenstein Monster” but don’t dare depict Obama as Curious George. Noooooooo…….that would be insensitive.
You liberals and your double standards are pathetic.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
5:46 pm
So RB, of all the millions and millions of metaphors you might choose for Obama, that’s the one that comes to mind, huh?
RB from Gwinnett
December 10th, 2011
5:56 pm
They’re both fictional characters, Jay. Why is one ok and the perpetrators of the other were vilified for it? Heck, at least Curious George is a positive character.
But you just keep pushing your crap disguised as political opinion, Jay. Don’t mind the pathetic nature of it.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
5:58 pm
If you don’t know, RB, I cannot help you.
USMC
December 10th, 2011
5:59 pm
“Newt Gingrich is GOP’s Frankenstein monster come to life”–Jay Bookman
Frankenstein Monster??? LOL!
I think Jay has been smoking his Hookah and spending too much time playing Dungeons & Dragons! LOL!
Impotent Rage Against the Obama Machine
December 10th, 2011
6:00 pm
well, I knew what he meant by curious george. We have dog whistles
like kenyan & muslin, too, cause we get in trouble when we use that
other word…dang political correctness..can’t call a spade a spade
anymore…see what i did there? It’s ingrained in our subculture now.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
6:02 pm
You liberals and your double standards are pathetic.
But you just keep pushing your crap disguised as political opinion, Jay. Don’t mind the pathetic nature of it.
Your only two posts of this thread oozing negativity.
Explain to me again that it’s not your caustic personality and everyone elses fault that you can’t retain employees.
Nattering nabob of negativity.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
6:03 pm
Looks like our President is having a great time at the Army Navy game.
Running the newt will hand him another term.
He deserves it.
USMC
December 10th, 2011
6:03 pm
Has anyone else noticed that Jay has still said not a word about Comrade Corzine’s debacle at MF…
Where’s the money??
And now Comrade Soros has swooped in to take advantage….
Not a word from Jay… Surprised?? I think not.
josef
December 10th, 2011
6:10 pm
USMC
Soros just chaps yore ass big time, don’t he? How dare the left play the same game and do as good a job of it as the right? The chutzpah of them Nazi Jews boys on the Rothschild place…and, yes, I know you don’t make that charge…
Mick
December 10th, 2011
6:10 pm
usmc
You can wrap up solyndra, fast & furious, corzine, and all your going to get is a collective …..yawn. Which is small potoatoes compared to the next kind of conflict some crazy arse like newt would work for. The last war president sukked….
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
6:11 pm
Has anyone else noticed that Jay has still said not a word about Comrade Corzine’s debacle at MF…
Don’t be silly.
Of course he has.
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/11/21/jon-corzine-and-the-missing-1-2-billion/
RB from Gwinnett
December 10th, 2011
6:12 pm
“Your only two posts of this thread oozing negativity.”
I’m sick of this crap from you liberals, Kammie. Time for good men to stop doing nothing.
Solyndra
December 10th, 2011
6:13 pm
“…George Will this week noted that the party is “more ideologically homogenous than ever…”
News Flash: The Republican Party announced that the unfortunate homo reference has been dropped. Instead the Party is now “more ideologically pasteurized than ever…”.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
6:14 pm
I’m sick of this crap from you liberals, Kammie.
I’m not responsible for your feelings, sport.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
6:15 pm
’Im sick of this crap from you liberals, Kammie. Time for good men to stop doing nothing.”
Melt down.
RB from Gwinnett
December 10th, 2011
6:16 pm
And Jay, if you want to pretend one is bad because Obama is black, but the other is ok because Gingrich isn’t, thats pure BS. I’d add “and you know it”, but I really don’t think you’re capable of looking at anything objectively.
josef
December 10th, 2011
6:16 pm
RB
“Time for good men to stop doing nothing.”
Since you’re a better man than I am and I was raised to be a Southern gentleman of culture and breeding, after you, Sir…
USMC
December 10th, 2011
6:20 pm
“Soros just chaps yore ass big time, don’t he? How dare the left play the same game and do as good a job of it as the right? The chutzpah of them Nazi Jews boys on the Rothschild place…and, yes, I know you don’t make that charge…”
Hey Josef,
I really don’t care one way or the other if Soros makes money. I was just pointing out JAY’S hypocrisy/ silence on the Corzine MF scandal.
As far as Jews go, I love jews! Jesus was a Jew!
(and I love Matzoh Ball Soup!)
josef
December 10th, 2011
6:21 pm
RB
Gingrich is a Carpetbag Republican…ship his tacky pompous ass back to Pennsylvania…at least Obama’s white side wasn’t Scalawag…
USMC
December 10th, 2011
6:22 pm
“…Which is small potoatoes…”–The Mick
Alright Dan Quail, go easy on the scotch there!
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
6:25 pm
I was just pointing out JAY’S hypocrisy/ silence on the Corzine MF scandal.
If Jay had actually BEEN silent on the “Corzine MF scandal”, you would have a point.
But since he wasn’t silent ( http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2011/11/21/jon-corzine-and-the-missing-1-2-billion/ ), you really don’t have a leg to stand on.
josef
December 10th, 2011
6:26 pm
USMC
Me and cuddin JC says you can have them matzoh balls…bleeech! Just got through frying up about 100 crepes for our “Holiday Breakfast…” A nice Sephardic tradition of something sweet and fried in oil for Hannukah..
I wouldn’t call Jay a hypocrite, myself, but you don’t bite the hand that feeds you and put your name on it (right, Imam, been gnawing on it all day, but my name ain’t on it!) He do have his blind spots, though…
Imam
I’m agitating for a new thread! D*mn, what more can I do…
Midori
December 10th, 2011
6:27 pm
Jay -
the movie of all movies is on the Turner Classic Movie channel
saywhat?
December 10th, 2011
6:28 pm
Get your panties out of twist RB. Are you really that frickin’ clueless?
Go ahead and compare President Obama to Frankenstein, if you are even capable of assembling the appropriate components for the metaphor. I can almost guarantee you that while many may object to your reasoning, nobody will object to the metaphor you used.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 10th, 2011
6:28 pm
Time for good men to stop doing nothing.
Not to worry. Good Progressives and liberals are working with the 99 to stop you cons! But thanks for thinking of us.
josef
December 10th, 2011
6:30 pm
midori
Which one?
St Simons - we're on Dawg time
December 10th, 2011
6:34 pm
smartest being of all time Newt Gingrich declared in an interview that “the
Palestinian people are invented” in his grand historical estimation, sort of
like how all peoples with their silly national identities are at one point or
another in history also “invented” out of thin air.
“Americans,” for example comes to mind.
josef
December 10th, 2011
6:37 pm
St Simons
Sorta the Southerners of the Middle East, wouldn’t you say?
bman
December 10th, 2011
6:39 pm
Newt vs Obama .. .. I would much rather have a Hillary vs Romney and take either one of them,
josef
December 10th, 2011
6:41 pm
bman
Don’t know if I would “take” them or not, but I could live with either one and still sleep at night…
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TLC!
December 10th, 2011
6:43 pm
@stands for decibels December 10th, 2011 3:22 pm – I’m just wondering what it is about TLC network that’s so great for white guys. I used to think Trading Spaces was all right, but I haven’t seen it for awhile now. Please to explain.
@Jm December 10th, 2011 3:38 pm
*************************************************************************
Now I know why WHITE MEN ARE SO ANGRY!
They are not getting any TENDER LOVING CARE at home. So they take out their FRUSTRATION on everyone that does not agree with them.
Don’t blame the messenger!
Midori
December 10th, 2011
6:43 pm
Josef — Kelly’s Heroes
josef
December 10th, 2011
6:45 pm
midori
Love that movie…!
TaxPayer
December 10th, 2011
6:45 pm
So, where do you connect the battery to get old Newt revived or does he strictly get his charge from the heavens. It’s ALIVE!
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
6:45 pm
@stands for decibels December 10th, 2011 3:22 pm – I’m just wondering what it is about TLC network that’s so great for white guys. I used to think Trading Spaces was all right, but I haven’t seen it for awhile now. Please to explain.
@Jm December 10th, 2011 3:38 pm
*************************************************************************
Now I know why WHITE MEN ARE SO ANGRY!
Mick
December 10th, 2011
6:46 pm
usmc
That’s desperate, quayle is your jfk or maybe not….no alcohol for me, I’m getting ready to head out…one for the road-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y5WYqxCNGw
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
6:47 pm
Now I know why WHITE MEN ARE SO ANGRY!
‘Cause they can’t jump?
Midori
December 10th, 2011
6:48 pm
Hey Tax: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/12/11/sunday-review/STRIPclr/STRIPclr-custom1.jpg
Midori
December 10th, 2011
6:48 pm
Hi Kammy
Jm
December 10th, 2011
6:49 pm
Kam 6:14
How very Buddhist of you
josef
December 10th, 2011
6:49 pm
GOP is the Party
I’m a happy and gay white man myself…don’t watch much on TLC, though…you strike me as an individual with issues…Unmentionable wants to know what you got against white men? You one of them black white men? “Not as ugly, but every bit as crazy…”
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
6:51 pm
Hiya, Midori!
St Simons - we're on Dawg time
December 10th, 2011
6:52 pm
josef – I hadn’t thought of that, good.
..or native americans, like you & me
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 10th, 2011
6:58 pm
Well, everybody up here at Billy Bob’s is for Newt except one nut that’s for Ron Paul. Then there’s Billy Ray Brown, who says Newt is a bad example for people. Billy Ray’s kind of sour because his wife found out about his other wife. I guess he’s blaming Newt for his legal troubles.
Anyhow, most of us figure old Newt’s got alot of experience at lying and twisting the facts, and that makes him ready for the White House. That’s more than you can say about this Obama.
Have a good Saturday night everybody and don’t forget to go to bed early enough to sleep off the hangover before you go to church.
josef
December 10th, 2011
7:00 pm
St Simons
I’m a native American, but ain’t no Indian blood in there that I know of..some of my collaterals did go with their Indian wives on the Trail of Tears, five brothers born in the Indian Nation served with General Watie in the Late Unpleasantness, also known as the Wa-uh of Southern Independence…
I would be “married” to one, ‘cept the White Man’s law sez I cain’t be due to a commonality of plumbing…
Unmentionable says of the Israelis and the West Bank…Aw, just hold on for 175 or so years, then it’ll be yours and no questions asked…
josef
December 10th, 2011
7:03 pm
St Simons
BTW are you a Pesky Redskin Savage? What breed?
carlosgvv
December 10th, 2011
7:04 pm
I saw on the evening news where a woman in Afghanistan was raped and then jailed because she reported it. Her sentence was eight years in prison unless she agreed to marry the man who raped her. She agreed and will be released. Can anyone give me even one good reason why our soldiers should be fighting and dying for a country like this?
bman
December 10th, 2011
7:07 pm
carlos .. .. wow! That was a very scary read
josef
December 10th, 2011
7:10 pm
carlos
And the death sentence for gays…I’m with you on that, but we don’t hear much about it from 1600, do we? A crock of sh*t…
bman
December 10th, 2011
7:17 pm
Josef .. ..Afghanistan has a death penalty for anyone who is gay??? I did not know that. And apparently it seems as if a man can choose which wife he wants by raping her? Good grief!!
What do you do about places like that? Nothing?
josef
December 10th, 2011
7:23 pm
Yeah, that’s the nation we “built.” Our buddies in Saudi Arabia do, too. And the Fierce Advocate’s hate monger buddy the preacher Warren has been funneling shekels to the faction in Uganda which was out to make the death sentence law there.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
7:25 pm
What do you do about places like that?
Use it as a platform for testing weapon systems.
USSR did it in the 80s, we started in the 2000s
Doggone/GA
December 10th, 2011
7:28 pm
Josef “And the death sentence for gays…I’m with you on that, but we don’t hear much about it from 1600, do we? A crock of sh*t…”
Are you talking about Malawi? Maybe you should pay closer attention:
“Malawi to review homosexuality ban after US aid threat”
“Move comes after Barack Obama told US agencies to consider local gay rights when making foreign aid allocation decisions”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/09/malawi-homosexuality-ban-review?newsfeed=true
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 10th, 2011
7:29 pm
Can anyone give me even one good reason why our soldiers should be fighting and dying for a country like this?
While I do not agree with the outcome you related (I am horrified), how do you think our soldiers feel fighting for a country that allows their homes to be taken in violation of law with no punishment to the people that have done that, to allow soldiers to die in the fight for their country only to return to a country that will not allow them the right of marriage to the person of their choice if that person is of the same sex, a country where some blowhard sheriff can mistreat “illegals” but allow inadequate investigations of sex crimes against them (including child molestation)…. I can continue with any number of examples of horrific miscarriages of justice in this country.
This country is far from perfect and we have had a 200+ year head start.
St Simons - we're on Dawg time
December 10th, 2011
7:30 pm
josef – I am Creek, and a CPA. They say we have a knack for that
occupation. We sold our lands fair & square, and my great great
grandfather bought some back fair & square. Still have it, in Troup Co.
I have a two-spirit friend (a drummer) with the exact same issue as you.
And they say we were uncivilized.
saywhat?
December 10th, 2011
7:32 pm
Josef -
“Sorta the Southerners of the Middle East, wouldn’t you say?”
That’s just mean. Even Newt never said they were slow and little bit inbred. Now the Palestinians are going to be REALLY pissed!
josef
December 10th, 2011
7:33 pm
Doggone
No. Uganda. Luckily pressure from Western Europe coupled with support of the liberal factions in the republic put the proposal on hold…Warren continues to send money to the faction supporting the proposed legislation and the Washington government recently agreed to up military aid and trainers there, where the military is under the sway of the anti gay faction…
Newtpewt
December 10th, 2011
7:37 pm
The Newtron Bomb’s odiferous emanations are effectively turning the GOP base into the Walking Dead; hordes of the mindless that want your brains
josef
December 10th, 2011
7:40 pm
St Simon’s
Neat! Yeah, the Creeks were pretty adept at playing both ends against the middle…I’ve been impressed by the recent efforts of those still here on native land at reconstituting the identity, particularly the efforts to cultivate the language…amazing! When we went up to Floyd County, our place was at the foot of Turnip Mountain, Watie’s old homeplace…as Unmentionable taught the kids, “we have overcome…we’re back home…”
Doggone/GA
December 10th, 2011
7:41 pm
“No. Uganda”
Ok, but still…the point is that 1600 IS doing something about gay rights. The important quote is the 2nd one
josef
December 10th, 2011
7:41 pm
saywhat
Okay, I don’t care who you are, thass funny!
bman
December 10th, 2011
7:41 pm
Keep .. .. that’s some comparison. Seriously…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 10th, 2011
7:49 pm
bman… I am sure I can find many more and if we go through the history of this country even more injustices. Let’s quit playing the “shyte” of this country is soooo much better. It all stinks and every day people work to try to make it right.
josef
December 10th, 2011
7:50 pm
Doggone
1600 is doing a quasi competent job domestically…they’re still backing Saudi Arabia to the hilt, nation building in Afghanistan and backing the wrong faction in Uganda…it’s easy enough to pressure a Malawi, but the real test is Saudi Arabia and the nation we are sacrificing the lives of our servicement to “build” in Afghanistan…but, then, as far as gay rights are concerned, we’re behind such places as Andorra,Argentina. Australia, Brazil, Colombia, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Israel, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Peru, Slovenia, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and Uruguay…to name a few…
bman
December 10th, 2011
7:57 pm
Keep .. .. I was being sarcastic. To say that gays cannot legally marry is “horrific” in the U.S. when being gay is punishable by death in Afghanistan ….I don’t even know how to respond to someone who thinks that way.
You do not see a difference? Really?
josef
December 10th, 2011
7:58 pm
Doggone
And as for that second quote…don’t hold too much sway with such havens of tolerance as the ones I mentioned and a long, long, list of others…a crock of horse sh*t…as I said…
josef
December 10th, 2011
8:01 pm
bman
As you might expect, I have a lot to say in reference to what you alluded to in your @ 7:57, but suffice it to say for here, don’t you never read yore memos either?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 10th, 2011
8:09 pm
bman… I know you were being sarcastic. And no you dont comprehend injustice. You don’t like the particular examples, that is your problem. I see you chose the marriage issue rather than the molestation of children that a certain sheriff turned a blind eye too. You might want to get that superiority nose out of the air and down a little bit to smell around you. I see many differences and I see similarties. I have seen worse injustices at times in this country’s history.
Oh and there are gay people dying in this country at the hands of bullies and others who attack them.
josef
December 10th, 2011
8:14 pm
good fight
I don’t quite get the tiff here…I don’t read what bman is saying as being particularly anti-gay…
As for your own point, let’s get real…the PSU-Syracuse thing ain’t raising a lot of hackles when it is but the tip of the iceberg of something that straight-laced, sports maniacs want swept under the carpet rather than face head on…not much different than 1600’s policies in the countries practicing capital punishment on gays…turn a blind eye when it might make you have to face unpleasnt “little details.”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 10th, 2011
8:18 pm
josef, you misinterpret. I have not said a thing about bman being anti-gay and I have not said a thing about PSU-Syracuse. I have said that things in Afghanistan are far from perfect but let’s stop this bull of thinking that this country does not have its own share of injustice still and in some cases it is as bad that the “horrors” that some want to cite as a basis to condemn an entire people.
bman
December 10th, 2011
8:19 pm
Keep .. ..Why did I only mention the marriage/gay issue? Maybe because that was the most silly comparison I have ever heard. I have no disagreement with you on the other. Carlos and Josef stated a her-and-now kinda thing…not history. Welcome to 2011.
“Oh and there are gay people dying in this country at the hands of bullies and others who attack them.”
And that, like anyone else of any sexual orientation, is wrong. Bullies don’t attack only gays lol
Death for being gay VS can’t get married. I’ll run that 2-option deal past my business partner who is gay and ask his opinion.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
8:22 pm
Not entering my comments about this here
josef
December 10th, 2011
8:26 pm
good fight
I agree with you and bman both, you see.
There IS a whale of a difference between living in a society where you can be put to death for who you are and one where you are still battling for equality. And, you are right in making the point that we do have our own dirty laundry and have a long way to go.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 10th, 2011
8:32 pm
I don’t disagree there is a difference. I also know that there are Americans who have helping to fuel those horrific actions in Uganda directly and indirectly. That is shameful and the connection to some of the C Street group undeniable.
St Simons - we're on Dawg time
December 10th, 2011
8:36 pm
Calista Gingrich’s new book about her rise from mistress to
potential First Lady: “Yes Virginia, There is a Pantie Clause.”
Jm
December 10th, 2011
8:39 pm
Putin learning about democracy
Could get interesting
josef
December 10th, 2011
8:40 pm
I am old enough to remember the bad old days before Stonewall. As gay people began to organize and try to set an agenda, there were two factions who were often at each other’s throats in trying to determine where to place our priorities. The one faction called for efforts to educate the straight community to just how much like them we are, social acceptance if you will. The other faction said to essentially scr*w social acceptance and get the laws off the books. I was of the latter faction and did not hold the former in very high regard, calling them Aunt Tomosinas. They did gain the upper hand and, in retrospect, they may well have been right. Once the straight world got a chance to let loose and party at the disco and once they, too, saw the thousands of people “just like them” dying from the plague, there was a sea change in their attitudes and the dismantling of the legal structure has proceeded more rapidly than those of us from the bad old days could ever have imagined. Equality? We’re not there yet, but we’re a long way down the road. But allowing our government to back, support, and fund regimes which are even more barbaric than we were back then? No!
St Simons - we're on Dawg time
December 10th, 2011
8:40 pm
If Obama gets Newt in the General, he won’t have to contact his doctor
because he won’t have an election that lasts more than 4 hours.
josef
December 10th, 2011
8:42 pm
good fight
C Street? 1600…who was it “blessed” the Obama adminstration at the innaugural….?
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
8:42 pm
Putin learning about democracy
Occupy Moscow?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 10th, 2011
8:50 pm
josef, i disagreed with that selection then too.
bman
December 10th, 2011
8:56 pm
I am going to watch my first republican debate tonight
josef
December 10th, 2011
8:56 pm
good fight…
Good! i voted against him for his happy horse sh*t on Prop 8 and have held him in distrust ever since bringing that cretin in…and the recent moves in Uganda certainly don’t sound like Fierce Advocacy to me…
I’m not one of those anti-Obamistas who thinks that his every action is wrong, but as a gay man, he’s no hero of mine.
josef
December 10th, 2011
8:57 pm
bman
Oh, noooooo! Poke your eyes out instead…a lot less painful…
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
8:59 pm
@josef December 10th, 2011 6:49 pm – GOP is the Party
I’m a happy and gay white man myself…don’t watch much on TLC, though…you strike me as an individual with issues…Unmentionable wants to know what you got against white men? You one of them black white men? “Not as ugly, but every bit as crazy…”
*********************************************************
I am happy that you are a happy gay white man. You are probably among the few white men that is truly happy.
I have nothing against ALL white men except that SOME of them are angry people.
They bi*ch about things that they created, they moan when things do not go their way, they lie and cheat to get what they want by any means necessary, they do not play by the rules, they berate other people’s opinions, they think they own the world, they are racists, and some of them even go after innocent children.
Yes, some white men are angry because that is who they are.
bman
December 10th, 2011
9:01 pm
josef .. .. haha
I have to watch one!
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:07 pm
So Josef, let’s review:
End of DADT;
End of Defense of Marriage Act;
Gay rights as a partial condition of foreign aid;
Creation of Global Equality Fund, to finance gay-rights initiatives around globe;
Probably more progress ever made on gay rights than under any previous president, all that in three years.
So … not enough?
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:15 pm
Bachmann opposes payroll tax cut; claiming falsely that $110 billion taken out of Social Security Trust Fund to pay for it. The legislation is written to ensure that doesn’t happen.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
9:16 pm
I am watching the Republican debate THEY ALL TALK A GOOD GAME but can they deliver?
Once they are in the White House it is not going to be THAT EASY to do all the things they propose.!
They will find out IF…… IF they get elected!
bman
December 10th, 2011
9:20 pm
I am watching, too. No one (democrats or republicans) have a solution to outsourcing jobs to other countries. I don’t know the answer, either.
You have Company A competing against Company B. Company A decides to outsource much of their operations. They are then able to price their product lower than Company B.
What is Company B supposed to do?
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
9:20 pm
Romney is not the ‘CHRISTIAN” he wants everyone to believe he is.
Slinging mud and lying about Obama playing golf is DIRTY….VERY DIRTY.
Romney is a lying hypocrite!
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
9:20 pm
Yeah, I kinda expected that moderation thingie.
josef
December 10th, 2011
9:21 pm
Jay
End of DADT…
Yep, and he signed it…but you know and I know just how much pressure was put there by the likes of the Log Cabin Republicans and Johnny Reb,,,Fierce Advocacy, it wasn’t , but yes, he did sign it..
DOMA ended? Do, tell? When?
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
9:24 pm
Obama does play a whole lot of golf.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
9:25 pm
Mitt Romney is a PHONY! Newt is an idiot who thinks he is smarter than the average person.
Uh oh, Newt is mad. Now they are slinging mud at each other (Romney & Newt). Hahahahahaha:)
Here we go, Newt spewing that b*llshit about children who need to work.
The rest of the candidates should just go away and let Newt and Romney fight among themselves.
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
9:26 pm
Is Obama going to ‘disappear’ at Christmas time again this year? Just seems strange for some reason. Can’t put my finger on it.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
9:26 pm
Ron Paul says that Newt is a hypocrite.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
9:27 pm
@jack bull December 10th, 2011 9:24 pm Obama does play a whole lot of golf.
He was not playing golf when he killed bin laden!!!!!!
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:29 pm
I’d say the gloves are off. Rock’em sock’em robots up there.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:29 pm
“Newt Romney” … says Bachmann. Throwing leather.
josef
December 10th, 2011
9:31 pm
Jay
Be still my jerking fingers!
Foreign aid…how many billion in Afghanistan? How many billion to Saudi Arabia? Yemen? That litltle deal with Uganda? Yea, sure, unh-huh, whatever…
Global Quality Fund? How much? Where spent? On what.?
Not enough? Oh, scuse me, Massachusetts, guess I jes don know how to appreciate chitlins, me an my uppity self… Of course I’m not satisfied..when my35 year relationship gets the same legal status as yours and the miss us, maybe, but until then, nope…
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:31 pm
Well, the administration announced it would no longer defend DOMA in court, because it concluded it was unconstitutional.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
9:32 pm
@jack bull December 10th, 2011 9:26 pm – Is Obama going to ‘disappear’ at Christmas time again this year? Just seems strange for some reason. Can’t put my finger on it.
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So the Black man cannot celebrate christmas with his family but the WHITE MAN CAN?
For the record Geoge W. Bush took more time off as president than Obama has.
bman
December 10th, 2011
9:33 pm
It happens in every debate on every level.
I don’t want to hear candidates explain why people should not vote for someone else. I want to hear why I should vote for YOU.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:33 pm
You’re ducking the question, Josef.
You know and I know that more progress has been made in the past three years on gay rights than under any previous president, and it’s not even close.
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
9:34 pm
uh,not true.
and i didn’t know Obama was in Pakistan when Bin Laden was killed. dang. sorry.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
9:35 pm
Looks like Rick Perry has done his homework! So far he is speaking with some intelligence!
josef
December 10th, 2011
9:35 pm
GOP/white men
Just remember as you rant, red men and brown men can, and do,saw the same thing about black men. Equality, ain’t it grand…
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
9:35 pm
oh, and nice sport, playing the race card, huh? well, we know….
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
9:37 pm
@jack bull December 10th, 2011 9:34 pm – uh,not true. and i didn’t know Obama was in Pakistan when Bin Laden was killed. dang. sorry.
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You made my point again….WHITE MEN ARE ANGRY!
Don’t be a stupid idiot. Obama CALLED THE SHOTS!
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:38 pm
“Angry,” you’re the one coming across as angry here, repeatedly. You have made your point by now I think.
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
9:38 pm
let each state do their own thing, sounds easy enough.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
9:39 pm
@josef December 10th, 2011 9:35 pm GOP/white men
Just remember as you rant, red men and brown men can, and do,saw the same thing about black men. Equality, ain’t it grand…
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Your comment does not make sense. Please re-send!
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
9:39 pm
name calling now, huh? wow.
bman
December 10th, 2011
9:39 pm
Bachman, Santorum, Perry and Paul need to pack their bags and go home. They have nothing to offer
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
9:40 pm
grow. up. dude.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
9:41 pm
@Jay December 10th, 2011 9:38 pm
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I only get angry when I am being unfairly attacked for MY opinions.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:42 pm
The conservatives are finally taking on the moderates as sheep in wolves’ clothing. You can tell that time is short and desperation is setting in. Last chance to make a mark.
I think Romney’s $10,000 bet offer will echo badly; it highlights his wealth and distances him from the public.
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
9:43 pm
uh, nobody here has attacked you. not that i’ve seen.
josef
December 10th, 2011
9:43 pm
Ducking the question? How so? Didn’t I post earlier how amazed I am at the progress we, gay and straight, have made in my lifetime alone? Obama? He’s a follower here, not a leader…Sorry, he doesn’t get the credit here in my book. Johnny Reb does. Sorry, but the man showed his true colors with Prop 8 and the preacher Warren…as I said, he’s done a quasi competent job, but a hero he ain’t and let’s not go singing his praises just yet,,,it’s sorta like his Nobel Prize…
getalife
December 10th, 2011
9:43 pm
Also, Hillary said no money for countries with no gay rights.
Money talks.
Too bad Huntsman is not there to shake it up.
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
9:46 pm
Wow, Jay, we actually agree on something! Very bad choice on Romney’s part there..
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 10th, 2011
9:46 pm
Uh oh lets see the flippin and floppin on family values from Newt.
He better be careful, the Pope may be watching.
Perry lied, he said he read a book
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:47 pm
I’m not nominating him for some Hall of Fame, Josef.
But the facts remain the facts.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
9:48 pm
Perry lied, he said he read a book
Books on tape count, don’t they?
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:49 pm
Whoa. The fidelity question point blank.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:49 pm
Wonder what’s going through Newt’s head right now.
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
9:50 pm
Was the Michael J Fox character made up after George Stephanopolous [sic].
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
9:50 pm
Rick Perry has a point.
If Newt were elected president he would find a way to cheat on the country.
josef
December 10th, 2011
9:50 pm
Jay
DOMA? Hey, even Bob Barr recanted that…but, it’s still on the books, ain’t it? Any Brownie points there, and I can’t believe I’m actually saying this, are Holder’s!.
But, well, I’m STILLa happyadgaywhite man!
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
9:51 pm
wonder why that camera was stuck on Newt?
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:53 pm
They’re saving Newt for last on this one.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:54 pm
And good for Ron Paul for bringing the discussion back to actual issues.
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
9:54 pm
here we go
bman
December 10th, 2011
9:54 pm
i think i just saw Nick Nolte in the crowd…he looked drunk, still.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
9:55 pm
Go Ron Paul.
josef
December 10th, 2011
9:56 pm
Jay
Hall of Fame? That’s why I said, no hero. He’s mediocre and lukewarm…which IS a helluva lot better than that lot you’re tuned into now…openly hostile, they
Angry
I didn’t expect you’d get it, but nothing beats a failure but a try
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
9:56 pm
Newt admitted to his mistakes. Will he make those same mistakes again?
I don’t trust Newt. What you see is what you get.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
9:57 pm
A good, honest response by Newt, making the best of a bad situation for him.
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
9:57 pm
i happen to agree with Newt on this. It’s not like we can just round up 12 million people. and i happen to have several true friends that are from Mexico. they’re good people, for the most part.
josef
December 10th, 2011
9:58 pm
Jay
@ 9:49
How great thou art?
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
10:00 pm
12 million–if that’s the number? i simply don’t trust what i’m being told when it comes to numbers..
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:01 pm
That’s a given for him, Josef. Mere background noise by now.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
10:01 pm
What part of illegalz do you not unnerstand?
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:02 pm
For the first time, Obama isn’t the major issue, although Perry’s trying to bring it back to him on immigration. He’s doing better than he had in the past, no question.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:04 pm
Paul coming across as sane on the Palestinian issue. Newt is way wrong on this.
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
10:05 pm
somebody has to be ‘the police of the world’..
bman
December 10th, 2011
10:06 pm
“Paul coming across as sane on the Palestinian issue. Newt is way wrong on this.”
Would that mean that Obama is insane on the same issue? : )
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
10:07 pm
why does Obama go against the grain when it comes to Israel? i truely don’t understand.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:08 pm
For the audience that he’s pitching to, Newt’s position on Israel is perfect. For the world audience, it’s disastrous.
Tom Middleton
December 10th, 2011
10:09 pm
The ‘67 borders were a starting point for negotiations, weren’t they? Isn’t Romney wrong?
getalife
December 10th, 2011
10:09 pm
willard scolds newt for the stupid comment.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
10:09 pm
I’ve known BB Natenyahu since….
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:10 pm
Obama is not going against the grain. His stance on Israel is the same stance taken by Bush and every president since the ‘67 war.
Tom Middleton
December 10th, 2011
10:12 pm
Thought so. Thanks…
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
10:12 pm
maybe i used the wrong words there, Jay. But he has called Israel out a few times(so to speak). And like I’ve said, I’m a big contributor to The Carter Center, and even President Carter has said some bad things about Israel.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
10:13 pm
Israel said the lies about Obama not helping Israel are lies.
Why don’t you believe Israel?
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:13 pm
Perry and Bachmann having a good night. Don’t know if it will matter….
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
10:14 pm
Perry has stepped up his game, hasn’t he?
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
10:14 pm
Up next: Class Warfare!
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:15 pm
And sometimes Israel needs to get called out. If you see a friend taking a self-destructive course, do you stay silent?
getalife
December 10th, 2011
10:16 pm
perry fell for the thing Iran built to show the Iranians.
That was not our drone silly.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:18 pm
I am very much afraid that for Israel, its capture of the Arab lands in ‘67 will turn out to be the offering of the apple to Eve, the temptation that it could not resist and that ends in its expulsion from the Garden.
I hope that’s wrong.
By the way, it’s an excellent debate tonight I think.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
10:18 pm
perry has no game.
Dumber than w.
Tom Middleton
December 10th, 2011
10:19 pm
There it is, Jay. We can be a devoted friend without rubber stamping every foolish move it wants to make. That hurts us in our relations with so many more we’re trying to help.
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
10:19 pm
If you see a friend taking a self-destructive course, do you stay silent?
When you get behind closed doors….
Tom Middleton
December 10th, 2011
10:21 pm
Unless they refuse to listen and you have no choice.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:22 pm
If possible, Kam, yes.
Tom Middleton
December 10th, 2011
10:23 pm
Don’t forget that Israel is being run by the same right-wing mentality that has run (and hurt) us in the past.
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
10:23 pm
don’t all Mormons have to go on missions?
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:25 pm
This “tell us your best poormouth story” question is ridiculous.
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
10:26 pm
calling someone dumb really isn’t nice, is it?
Kamchak
December 10th, 2011
10:29 pm
State’s Rights
getalife
December 10th, 2011
10:30 pm
Fireworks over.
Boring questions from corporate media..
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
10:32 pm
right.
bman
December 10th, 2011
10:33 pm
ok … … I don’t want to hear Newt use the word “fundamentally” again. It’s like Obama using “let me be clear”
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:34 pm
Both Newt and Mitt have taken their hits here, but nothing below the water line.
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
10:35 pm
there’s hardly any fast food places in Iowa, wonder if that has anything to do with it?
jack bull
December 10th, 2011
10:38 pm
thanks Jay! Have a wonderful night and enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:40 pm
Potential news story tomorrow:
“Newt Romney”
Romney’s $10,000 bet offer.
Israel. They are all willing to encourage Israel’s worst instincts, to its detriment.
getalife
December 10th, 2011
10:40 pm
Same talking points.
The only thing new is newt’s gaffe on Palestinians.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:42 pm
OK, George and DIane are a bit much here.
Santorum pitching for Newt’s VP slot.
bman
December 10th, 2011
10:44 pm
I don’t see how they republican debates are any worse that when Democrats : Chris Dodd, Dennis Kucinich, Obama, Hillary, John Edwards, Joe Biden and Bill Richardson were running at about the same time before the last election.
Kucinich and Paul ….Boy there’s a pair
bman
December 10th, 2011
10:45 pm
wow .. .. i need to wear my glasses when I post !
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:46 pm
Oh my goodness.
Newt and his “If we DO survive, it will be because of things such as Rick Santorum’s stance on Iran.”
Jm
December 10th, 2011
10:47 pm
The GOp is the party 8:59
Issues…….
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:47 pm
Ron Paul may have done as well if not better than the rest of ‘em.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
10:48 pm
Michelle is trying to get Herman Cain’s voters. She can have them!
getalife
December 10th, 2011
10:48 pm
Ron Paul won.
Easily.
Jay
December 10th, 2011
10:50 pm
Probably so, Get.
If so, that’s danger to Romney. He can lose to Newt in Iowa and be OK. If he loses to Newt AND Ron Paul?
getalife
December 10th, 2011
10:50 pm
jm,
willard is losing.
Blog harder.
Jm
December 10th, 2011
10:51 pm
Bman 10:44
Hillary was the only legitimately capable and experienced candidate out of that group
Romney 2012……
Mark in mid-town
December 10th, 2011
10:52 pm
Jay Bookman writes: “Bachmann opposes payroll tax cut; claiming falsely that $110 billion taken out of Social Security Trust Fund to pay for it. The legislation is written to ensure that doesn’t happen.”
Jay, apparently both you and Bachmann are clueless. The Social Security Trust Fund is a fiction. The fiscal position of the government is exactly the same whether we one says the Trust Fund exists or one says it doesn’t exist. the Trust fund is nothing but a paper accounting entry that is backed up with nothing but paper IOUs. The federal government need not collect a single penny in FICA taxes for it to continue with the fiction of the Social Security Trust Fund. The federal government can just create a bogus accounting entry saying the Social Security Trust fund has money. Which by the way, is exactly what is being done when the Federal government can say that it’s cutting FICA taxation rate from 6.2% to 4.2% or to 3.2% and still have the so-called Social Security Trust Fund not affected one iota. Because after-all, that’s what the legislation says. Good grief!!!
Jm
December 10th, 2011
10:53 pm
Getalife
U seemed to think (earlier) that I’m a Romney liability
Which is it?
getalife
December 10th, 2011
10:53 pm
Jay,
“If he lose to Newt AND Ron Paul?”
Yes, he will finish third in Iowa .
getalife
December 10th, 2011
10:56 pm
We got one talking head talking about that bet for 10 grand.
jm,
Yes, you need to blog harder because you are losing to the newt.
Jm
December 10th, 2011
10:57 pm
Chris Dodd – corrupt Fannie Freddie dirtbag shill
Dennis Kucinich – crazy
Obama – well everyone now knows
Hillary – legit cred, but people were justifiably tired of dynasties
John Edwards – paid off mistress with campaign funds
Joe Biden – loose canon ala Gingrich
Bill Richardson – see Edwards issues
Romney 2012
Tom Middleton
December 10th, 2011
11:00 pm
Hey, Paul Jr. won the bike build-off against Sr. and Jesse James on Discovery. Thought you’d like to know…maybe.
The GOP is the Party of Angry White Men In Need of Some TENDER LOVING CARE!
December 10th, 2011
11:00 pm
If they turned out all the lights at the debate Mrs. Gingrich’s hair would light up the room.
Newt is still a hypocrite. It will take a whole lot of hail mary’s to reform Newt.
Newt does not have any competition. I hope he is the candidate to go up against Obama.
Bring it on Newtie!
getalife
December 10th, 2011
11:00 pm
jm,
Dig up the dirt on the newt and post it.
Those dems are not running.
Focus on the newt.
Erwin's cat
December 10th, 2011
11:01 pm
Ron Paul and Newt did well….Romney was gaining until the bet….bachmann and santorum may have made gains
Jm
December 10th, 2011
11:05 pm
Getalife
All gingrich’s dirty laundry is unfortunately out there
Paid by Freddie
Fined for ethics violations
Serial cheater on wife
Rudderless
Megalomaniacal feeding obstinacy
Flip flopper
Throws Paul Ryan and his own party under the bus
Hypocrite
Calista- bad first lady
It’s all out there already…..
The Thin Guy
December 10th, 2011
11:07 pm
At least Frankenstein’s Monster didn’t need a teleprompter. Yes Newt kissed on the first date. But at least he turned the lights off. Yes Newt has changed his mind and isn’t a rigid ideologue. Like people who write blogs. But both Mittens and Newt spend too much time trying to make the pc crowd happy. Such as their allegiance to the Global Luke Warming claptrap which has less credibility than Bigfoot.
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/09/dont-pretend-we-know-what-causes-climate-change
Could be Rick Perry is the sharpest knife in the drawer. Being able to count to three is over rated.
Erwin's cat
December 10th, 2011
11:08 pm
Not to go way off topic….but something really needs to be done about the security of GT students on and around campus
Jm
December 10th, 2011
11:11 pm
God forbid I have to choose between newt and obama
Romney 2012
barking frog
December 10th, 2011
11:13 pm
Newt took a hit even with Santorum propping him up. Bachmann
did well as hitman on Newt. Paul was consistent but he already had
all he’ll get in Iowa. Romney didn’t lose any but didn’t gain any. Perry
flatlined again. Bachmann will get Herman’s money if she’ll let him cop
a feel. Obama is safe.
moonbat betty
December 10th, 2011
11:21 pm
Man,
Thank Gawd we have Obama.
Jm
December 10th, 2011
11:25 pm
Frog
Funny
Gingrich has probably tried to seduce Bachman, telling her that her protestations are incorrectly framed and puts national security at risk
moonbat betty
December 10th, 2011
11:56 pm
Jay’s having fun with this.
Who is your choice liberals??
Get Real
December 10th, 2011
11:58 pm
Gawd you libs are too funny
getalife
December 11th, 2011
12:11 am
“Thank Gawd we have Obama.”
Indeed.
moonbat betty
December 11th, 2011
12:50 am
O’ MY GAWD, ITS FULL OF STARS!
Bud Wiser
December 11th, 2011
5:19 am
Well, after the cross-burning and media-mob lynching of Herman Cain, who better to go after next than Newt? After all, he is the current flavor of the week amongst the repubs, apparently the front runner for now, and all the media stooges have to do is bark and growl and look for a place to lift a leg.
The sound of ‘President Gingrich’ terrifies you, shouldn’t it?
It should. This race is becoming almost biblical in its context over recent history.
George Bush begat Hussein Obama who begat Newt Gingrich.
The pendulum is swinging so wildly that it may just jump off the framework.
Cherokee
December 11th, 2011
6:20 am
“Gingrich has probably tried to seduce Bachman, telling her that her protestations are incorrectly framed and puts national security at risk”
Now THAT was clever, JM…
jconservative
December 11th, 2011
7:46 am
“Belgian Education Policy in the Congo: 1945–1960″.
Title of Gingrich’s PhD dissertation.
Freddie Mac hired him as a “consultant” because they needed an expert on education in the Belgian Congo.
You folks believe that, right?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
7:57 am
Where does Gingrich claim residence?
Is it PA – where he was born
Is it W.GA. – where he taught for a while and first ran for Congress
Is it Cobb County – where he represented longest
No it’s Washington DC, Now that’s an outsider
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2011
7:58 am
Newt took a hit even with Santorum propping him up. Bachmann
did well as hitman on Newt. Paul was consistent but he already had
all he’ll get in Iowa. Romney didn’t lose any but didn’t gain any. Perry
flatlined again. Bachmann will get Herman’s money if she’ll let him cop
a feel. Obama is safe.
Thanks for the wrap up. I did try to watch a bit of it, but seriously, after about two or three minutes of hearing Newt and Mitt’s crackpot economic gobbledygook, I realized those were minutes of my life I’d never get back…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
7:59 am
JCon – I believe it. After all would Newt ever lie? especially to the American people LMAO
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
8:01 am
I loved how Newt seemed to take credit for the economy under Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton.
What an egomaniac or is that just maniac
stands for decibels
December 11th, 2011
8:02 am
Romney falsely claimed that no president before Obama had cut Medicare, and that Obama favored pre-1967 borders for Israel.
Gingrich said he opposed cap-and-trade, even though he once spoke favorably of it, if combined with other measures to curtail carbon emissions.
Perry again falsely accused Romney of writing that the Massachusetts health care law should be a model for the nation, and once again made an apples-to-oranges comparison to make his Texas job-creation record look more impressive.
And Bachmann recycled a bogus claim about projected job losses under the new federal health care law.
par for the course.
Jack
December 11th, 2011
8:04 am
As usual, the majority of the liberal bleats here are spent on trashing the GOP candidates while saying very little about Obama’s dismal track record. There’s little to say about Obama’s admitted obsession to eliminate inequity in this country: doing that meant he’d have to take from one group and give to another. That’s called Marxism and that’s why we’ll have a Republican in the White House next year.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
8:06 am
Anyone who has looked at Perry’s job claims in Texas understands that the majority were low wage jobs.
These were combined with jobs coming from other states due to Texas’s low wages and state incentives.
How the hell does he expect to do that across the US?
Compete with the wages in China, India and Mexico? What a deep thinker. Geesh
carlosgvv
December 11th, 2011
8:08 am
We live in a country of over 300 million people. If the best we can do for President is Obama, Romney, Gingrich, Paul, Bachmann and Perry, then something has gone terribly wrong.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
8:14 am
carlos – I agree with you one hundred percent.
But since very few want to deal with the BS associated with running for pres. I think our current crop of pols. both Dems and Repubs. is going to be what we get to choose from for the forseeable future.
Sad it is.
marko
December 11th, 2011
8:17 am
In last nights debate, I think Mitt made a mistake on par with Perry’s famous flub. His ten thousand dollar bet will cost him far more than that. Washington is a strange place where billions and trillions of dollars are thrown around like so much monopoly money. On the other hand, ten thousand dollars is real money. Real people have to eat a lot of crap for ten thousand dollars. They would think long and hard before they’d wager two or three months pay. Real plumbers have to deal with a lot of clogged up toilets for that kind of money. That’s a hell of a lot of burgers to flip. How many tires would Bubba have to rotate for that kind of money?
Mitt lives in the gated exclusive world of the Job creators. He doesn’t seem to have a clue about what life’s like at the other end of the spectrum. Down in the trenches where the wealth creators dwell, they might not understand a trillion dollars, but ten thousand dollars is a lot of money.
Jay’s of the opinion that President Newt would be an unmitigated disaster. I agree but, Disasters come in many flavors. President Mitt would only be a different flavor. He’d boldly take us where we’ve been before. The view from the clogged toilet wasn’t so great the first time . I have no reason to believe it will look any better this time around.
midtownguy
December 11th, 2011
8:26 am
We are going to end up with four more years of Obama because the Republicans aren’t offering up a viable alternative and Hillary won’t run against a sitting president for the nomination. Biggest mistake made by the Democrats in my lifetime is not nominating Hillary.
Cherokee
December 11th, 2011
9:00 am
I dunno, midtown. Hillary was my choice too, but the cons would have trashed her even worse than they’ve trashed Obama, I think.
Jm
December 11th, 2011
9:07 am
Midtownguy
I hear you
But people didn’t want 8 more years of the Clintons in the White House
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
9:10 am
Biggest mistake made by the Democrats in my lifetime is not nominating Hillary.
Nah, I don’t even think that’s a top 10 mistake in mine, and I haven’t hit 40 yet. Nominating Hillary would have given the GOP an endless supply of negative crap to bleat about.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
9:13 am
Bro – good morning.
How did you like the shyte the other day about the TSA?
Jm
December 11th, 2011
9:14 am
Carlosgvv
Well, here are the issues
Character assassination
Family disruption
Constant security threats as your family ends up in the crosshairs of every nutball
Congressional obstinacy
Hyper active media unwilling to focus on important issues, and with the attention span of a 1 year old, which is a reflection of their audience and our country
Forgoing the opportunity to ever have much privacy and the ability to go out in public alone for the rest of your life
And that’s just the start
St Simons - we're on Island time
December 11th, 2011
9:15 am
wow, Mitt’s done, if he doesn’t clean house in the early primaries
10k bet? Really? How crass.
down there with Rick Scott in the small digits in Fla?
Well, at least we’ll save some money on president Obama’s next
physical. He won’t have to consult his physician because he won’t
have an election lasting more than 4 hours.
St Simons - we're on Island time
December 11th, 2011
9:18 am
if they could get Hillary to switch parties, they might have a legit
candidate that could win.
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
9:18 am
How did you like the shyte the other day about the TSA?
Been out of pocket for a few days, what happened???
Jm
December 11th, 2011
9:21 am
Maybe jay and the global warming deniers can chew in this
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/12/111209123214.htm
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
9:25 am
Bro – Jay wrote the other day.
Consider, for example, HR 3608, introduced yesterday by U.S. Rep. Marsha Blackburn, Republican of Tennessee and co-sponsored by Lynn Westmoreland and Phil Gingrey, both Georgia Republicans. It’s a petty little bill put to a petty little purpose.
Seeking to tap into public frustration with airport security screeners, HR 3608 would do just two things: First, it would strip employees of the Transportation Security Administration of the right to be referred to as officers. Calling them “officers” is apparently too good for them.
Second, the bill would strip TSA officers of the badges that they wear on their uniforms, again to remind them of their proper and very low place in the scheme of things. No reason to let them get “uppity” or take professsional pride in their duty.
———————————————————–
Seems like some congress critters didn’t like the cavity searches.
Jack Chit
December 11th, 2011
9:34 am
If you know Jack Chit vote Democratic these cons are a bunch of losers
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
9:37 am
Perry’s newest ad speaks to American values.
Like descrimination against anyone not like him.
I guess he means someone who isn’t kinda stoopid
Pete E. Tong
December 11th, 2011
9:47 am
“In fact, tonight’s debate (broadcast at 9 p.m. on ABC) is likely to be the most important of the party’s two dozen or so forums, because it comes at a critical time.”
You think, Jay? Why not mention that tomorrow is the most important day of 2011 because it comes at the most critical time: the present?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
9:50 am
Bro – followup on the TSA blog.
I wouldn’t read the postings if I were you. Some of the postings were out in the ozone and will just raise your BP.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
9:50 am
No time like the present, tomorrow
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
10:10 am
NoCom
Glad I missed out on that one. That’s nothing but jackassery coming from a buncha jackasses. Sometimes, I think it’s better to remain silent to keep from making yourself look like a jackass. Maybe those Reps should take that advice. Changing a name does nothing at all. If they want something to change, then they need to quit scapegoating workers. I doubt that will happen with any pol with an (R) behind their name though. They always need to demonize somebody other than themselves.
Don't Forget
December 11th, 2011
10:20 am
Newt will motivate the democratic base more than any of the “possible” candidates if he’s nominated. The cons should take that into consideration but I doubt they will.
bman
December 11th, 2011
10:28 am
I can’t believe the best 2 choices Americans will have are Newt vs Obama. Good grief!
I also think it’s naive to count Newt out against Obama.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
10:36 am
I thought it was funny last night when Newt mentioned his grandkids.
That’s after he had his marriage annulled which seems to make his kids ‘bastids’.
I just love his ‘Christian’ family values
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 11th, 2011
10:40 am
Well, I got to admit I was so lit up last night I couldn’t follow the debate too good up at Billy Bob’s. I got home in time to see the canadates strolling around and shaking hands with people. What got me to wondering was seeing Mrs. Newt and her hair. I wonder how much she spends at a hairdresser before she shows up in public. I couldn’t hardly tell the difference between her hair and the Donald’s. It’s kind of piled on, all plastered up with hair spray, and she must have about 3 inches of makeup on her face. If Newt makes it to the White House they’ll need to budget about $200,000 for her hairdresser and makeup artist.
Anyhow, Mr. Mormon Underwear lost me when he started talking about a $10,000 bet. That’s almost half a year’s salary for me and it tells me he don’t have any idea of how regular folks live. Paul was as nutty as ever and I’m sort of convinced the fix is in—he’ll either win Iowa or come in a close second. The Paul nuts will be coming out of the woodwork. I couldn’t pay much attention to Michelle because every time the camera zoomed in on her I kept thinking about The Picture that Sooth keeps but hardly ever shares with the rest of us.
Anyhow, I went down to the Church of Holiness to hear the Rev. Postlewaite jaw for awhile. I kept drifting off and the hangover never helped. All I got to say is Lord help us after the election next November. It’ll either be Obama or Newt. I wonder if they still make them chastity belts. Alot of husbands will want one if Newt wins. Besides, it may be the cure for all those welfare babys Those People keep popping out.
Have a good Sabbath everybody.
Donovan
December 11th, 2011
10:49 am
This Bookman blog site has become an AJC epicenter for left wing kooks. Jay, you have quite a strange following. I guess if you feed the inmates at the asylum, they will follow you everywhere.
Nevertheless, I shall continue to bring you all another viewpoint to grapple over and exercise your demons. Knock yourselves out.
Newt is scaring the hell out of you guys. It is apparent that when your political opponents do a better job at exposing your liberal lunacies, people like Ms Palin, Ms Bachmann, Mr. Gingrich, and the TEA Party are your #1 priorities to demean and destroy. Newt is a delicious offering of the conservative movement. His time is now and you guys know it.
On the otherhand, you Democrats have to offer up a nobody with the same nobody credentials. Your only defense is the negative rhetoric of your minions who join your bashing. This systematic attack on every Republican candidate is a marvel to read in its low character presentation.
Newt is now pulling away with his counter attacks to your plan. Enjoy him.
St Simons - we're on Island time
December 11th, 2011
10:54 am
Perry’s newest ad speaks to American values.
And he dressed up nice for it too. He’s wearing the exact same jacket
as the guy in Brokeback Mountain. Mon, those guys know fashion.
Midori
December 11th, 2011
10:59 am
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=247822351952413&set=a.217603604974288.57691.217514361649879&type=1&theater
getalife
December 11th, 2011
11:02 am
1 % bets 10k a pop.
That is all we learned from the gop last night.
Cherokee
December 11th, 2011
11:05 am
Yeah that’s it, Donavan.
We’re skeered of the brilliance from Newt…
BWAHAHAHAHA
getalife
December 11th, 2011
11:08 am
I liked how willard scolded the newt on Palestine and moonbat bachmann for lying.
jm is the reason willard is losing.
jm can’t convince the cons that willard is a con too.
bman
December 11th, 2011
11:09 am
OWS facebook page? lol .. ..I have wondered where some of you people come up with your crazy lines…
Midori
December 11th, 2011
11:12 am
I find your “lol” equally amusing as you don’t know wtf you’re talking about, nor what that page is about.
Midori
December 11th, 2011
11:14 am
q: why does newt need 2 bathrooms?
a: he really is full of shyt
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/want-gingrich-to-speak-he-needs-first-class-expenses-and-2-bathrooms/2011/12/07/gIQAVZzFdO_story.html?hpid=z4
bman
December 11th, 2011
11:17 am
I’m glad that you’re amused. However, I’m pretty sure (i checked twice) that it’s the OWS facebook page. Word is .. ..they don’t even know what their page is about.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
11:19 am
bman,
You don’t know what OWS is all about?
Jack Chit
December 11th, 2011
11:19 am
Face it if the cons don’t run Romney they haven’t got a chance.
If Newt is the nominee it’s a short putt for the Dems.
If Newt is the nominee who the hell knows what happens to the other races, they could go either way.
If they go Repub expect 4 more years of congressional gridlock.
If they go Dem. are all the bills going to be giveaways or more pragmatic, who the hell knows.
Midori
December 11th, 2011
11:19 am
reading is FUNdamental.
just sayin……………..
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
11:21 am
Midori – is that fun as in disFUNctional LOL
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
11:21 am
What a sad commentary on our nation…. In other modern, developed countries, they allot sufficient resources to care for their mentally ill. Here, we stand them up behind podiums in “TV debates” and laugh at them. How cruel and sadistic! For shame, America.
Midori
December 11th, 2011
11:22 am
Common –
bman
December 11th, 2011
11:24 am
getalife .. .. just when i started to pay attention to them, they seemed to lose their way. I don’t think most of the people who participated know what it’s about.
USMC
December 11th, 2011
11:26 am
“1 % bets 10k a pop. That is all we learned from the gop last night.”
The Liberal “Talking Heads” threw out the red meat bait and the weak-minded socialists are pouncing on it.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
11:32 am
bman,
It is not a simple message like cut spending because these Americans are not mindless cons.
usmc,
As soon as willard spewed the bet, I knew it was a mistake.
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
11:35 am
If you don’t “get” what OWS is about, I urge you to expand your wealth of personal knowledge and attempt to refinance your house. It will become clear very quickly that the bankers, hedge fund managers, and the CEOs of mega conglomerates own the government that is supposed to represent us. You can’t even begin to know the many ways in which you — the average middle class working schmuck who was STUPID enough to play by the rules and do the right thing year after year — are scrooooo’ed, while the corporate sponsors of our “representatives” have made out like bandits with no real consequences for their actions. It really is “taxation without representation” now. Funny how it’s okay for the pekoe heads to express that, but when the people who have already lost nearly everything do it, some of you ayy-holes have nothing but contempt and bathing jokes for them.
Erwin's cat
December 11th, 2011
11:39 am
Matti – I had no issues on a refi…great rates available right now
Midori
December 11th, 2011
11:42 am
what Matti said……
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
11:45 am
USMC – I had no problem with Romney’s bet. It just seemed like a kid saying ‘I’ll bet you a million dollars’
when he knew what he had written vs what Perry was told he wrote ‘I still can’t believe Perrry read not just that book, but any book’.
I still can’t believe Newt hasn’t imploded yet. I say set him up with a young blonde and see how faithful he is
bman
December 11th, 2011
11:45 am
Matti .. .. why are some of you people so nasty? btw .. ..I don’t have a mortgage.
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
11:51 am
Erwin’s cat,
Congratulations! Where the heck do YOU live that your house did not drop 30% (ore more) in value, through no fault of your own, like everyone else’s? Newsflash to real people: having PERFECT credit, a PERFECT payment history, and practically no other debt gets you promises of great rates, and lots of phone-strokes by the bankers, but when it comes down to doing the deal, expect to be yanked, jerked, and jacked around fifty times a week, because of a little thing they fling in your face called “loan to value ratio.” And if you want to shop around the banks to get a better deal, prepare to pay for a new assessment each time, out of your own pocket, because each bank wants their own, and each time, the jerks drop your value a little more. It’s a freaking nightmare, even WITH perfect everything and some equity remaining. Please let us know if there are any homes for sale on your awesome, gated planet, though most of us are forced to remain here in homes we’ll never be able to sell.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
11:51 am
bman,
Nasty?
Come on man.
Do you ever call con comments nasty?
USMC
December 11th, 2011
11:52 am
“As soon as willard spewed the bet, I knew it was a mistake.”
Fair enough Getalife.
But If DemocRats go off on tangents like a “$10,000 bet” sarcastic comment, It’s going to be a long and disappointing election for Obama.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
11:54 am
Matti – I feel that pain on the refi’s, even the hoops you have to jump through have hoops
bman
December 11th, 2011
11:54 am
getalife .. .. haha — i usually ignore them – i said “some people”.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
11:55 am
Newt believes in his grandkids, just not his kids.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
11:55 am
usmc,
Well, it looks like they will run the newt so it will be easier than last time.
Our President will have a new mandate for change.
bman
December 11th, 2011
11:57 am
Matti .. .. are you in a home that you will never be able to sell?
Erwin's cat
December 11th, 2011
12:07 pm
Matti – North ATL burbs….yes my home value has dropped but I’m not under water, didn’t buy more than I could afford or more than what I needed…I deal with credit unions almost exclusively. I’ve been late off twice in the past 8 years, and outta work 3 of those 8…sure, I’ve struggled at times…besides what I owe on my house, I’m debt free….I’ve had as much as $30k credit card debt over the years ah have since paid it off and built my savings back up
Am I as nervous as anybody else in this economy…you bet, but I try and mitigate my risk where I can…In many ways I have been blessed, even during my struggles…I learned some valuable lessons during my first extended leave….now,I don’t spend on anything I don’t need or can’t pay cash
I understand not everyone can come out as cleanly as I have…I have family going through some of the worst of it….to be honest I only have 10 fingers in order to point at blame for today’s economy
USMC
December 11th, 2011
12:10 pm
“Well, it looks like they will run the newt so it will be easier than last time.
Our President will have a new mandate for change.”
Well, the fact that Obama is having to stoop down to “Class Warfare” tactics and dividing our country is a clear indicator that Obama is running scared and for good reason.
President Obama has no substance and has been a complete disaster of a president.
But we shall see. The Senate will change over to RepubliCon control; therefor giving the republiCons control of both chambers of Congress.
Obama’s defeat in 2012 will be icing on the cake. Zoiks!
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
12:21 pm
Matti,
We did a great refi on the beach condo. Those horrible banks and mega conglomerates that you speak of were nice enough to lower our already low rate for us. That dastardly “loan to value” ratio that you speak of didn’t seem to be a problem.
If you want to be all mad at those evil ole bankers you probably should save some of your righteous indignation for Fannie and Freddie and the folks that regulate them and oversee them. Folks like Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd.
And the next time some Democrat starts talking about govt policies to make financial institutions lend more to poor people and unqualified people in the interest of “affordable housing for the poor” and “fairness” crap then you might want to brace yourself cause the crap is just gonna happen all over again. The problem with libs is that they think govt can solve everything and no matter how much evidence they see to the contrary they still believe. For every attempt at solving a made up problem such as a lack of “affordable housing for the middle class and the poor” the govt creates 5 more problems. And yet folks still believe in the power of big gubment. Amazing.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
12:24 pm
Yeah doomy.
We believe you.
What a load of crap.
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
12:25 pm
Looks like Obama’s assault on the American economy continues unabated.
If ever there was a shovel ready project staring us right in the face it would be the keystone pipeline which would provide 20,000 immediate jobs and possibly as many as 500,000 indirect jobs. Not a dime of govt money is needed, 3 years of environmental impact studies have been done, and yet the Obama administration is still against this project.
Why is it that Obama has no problem with loan guarantees to help Brazil develop its own oil but the man does everything he can to prevent us from accessing our own oil? Why that is?
Why does this man continue an all out assault against the American economy by standing in the way of as big a shovel ready project as there is in the Keystone pipeline. Why???
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
12:28 pm
getalife,
Load of crap? Prove it mr. internet tough guy. Otherwise go back to your oxycontin and various other drug addictions and be quiet.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
12:29 pm
I had a family member that wanted me to invest in his mortgage business.
After he told me the scam, I asked what happens when these customers can’t afford the houses they just bought.
He replied, who cares?
I got paid.
When it collapsed, he got sick from the shame and had to leave the State.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
12:30 pm
Why are the cons so scared of the pipeline not being able to stand on its own that they have to include it in the extension of the tax relief for the workers in the US?
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
12:31 pm
And the next time some Democrat starts talking about govt policies to make financial institutions lend more to poor people and unqualified people in the interest of “affordable housing for the poor” and “fairness” crap then you might want to brace yourself cause the crap is just gonna happen all over again.
Now, we’ve got a problem here in America that we have to address. Too many American families, too many minorities do not own a home. There is a home ownership gap in America. The difference between Anglo America and African American and Hispanic home ownership is too big. (Applause.) And we’ve got to focus the attention on this nation to address this.
And it starts with setting a goal. And so by the year 2010, we must increase minority home owners by at least 5.5 million. In order to close the homeownership gap, we’ve got to set a big goal for America, and focus our attention and resources on that goal.
An excerpt from the president’s speech
In 2002.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
12:31 pm
doomy,
You lost all credibility a long time ago.
When are you going to try to get it back?
getalife
December 11th, 2011
12:36 pm
See Kam’s comment doomy?
That is called credibility.
Try it sometime.
Jm
December 11th, 2011
12:38 pm
Getalife
“jm is the reason willard is losing.”
Funny
getalife
December 11th, 2011
12:39 pm
jm,
When will you switch to the newt?
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
12:42 pm
getalife,
One like yourself should never lecture on credibility given the fact that you never had any to begin with. Back to your corner.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
12:44 pm
Struck a nerve doomy?
Erwin's cat
December 11th, 2011
12:48 pm
Kam – I remember that speech…great idea, weak on implementation….talk about unintended consequences
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
12:48 pm
Kammy the poo,
The Republicans and W in particular also hold some responsbility for the “ownership society”. Nobody is arguing that they didn’t. Or perhaps you missed that in your reading comprehension failures. But W didn’t get things rolling with the Community reinvestment act. Kammy do need some help in his research.
The current mortgage crisis came about in large part because of Clinton-era government pressure on lenders to make risky loans in order to “make homeownership more affordable for lower-income Americans and those with a poor credit history,” the DC Examiner notes today. “Those steps encouraged riskier mortgage lending by minimizing the role of credit histories in lending decisions, loosening required debt-to-equity ratios to allow borrowers to make small or even no down payments at all, and encouraging lenders the use of floating or adjustable interest-rate mortgages, including those with low ‘teasers.’”
The liberal Village Voice previously chronicled how Clinton Administration housing secretary Andrew Cuomo helped spawn the mortgage crisis through his pressure on lenders to promote affordable housing and diversity. “Andrew Cuomo, the youngest Housing and Urban Development secretary in history, made a series of decisions between 1997 and 2001 that gave birth to the country’s current crisis. He took actions that—in combination with many other factors—helped plunge Fannie and Freddie into the subprime markets without putting in place the means to monitor their increasingly risky investments.
He turned the Federal Housing Administration mortgage program into a sweetheart lender with sky-high loan ceilings and no money down, and he legalized what a federal judge has branded ‘kickbacks’ to brokers that have fueled the sale of overpriced and unsupportable loans. Three to four million families are now facing foreclosure, and Cuomo is one of the reasons why.” (See Wayne Barrett, “Andrew Cuomo and Fannie and Freddie: How the Youngest Housing and Urban Development Secretary in History Gave Birth to the Mortgage Crisis,” Village Voice, August 5, 2008).
Investors Business Daily had an editorial yesterday about how another federal “law designed to encourage minority homeownership” also contributed to the mortgage crisis by pressuring lenders to make risky loans.
The Bush Administration also deserves criticism: although some Bush Administration officials “meekly advocated reforms” of the risky practices engaged in by the government-backed mortgage giants (the “Government-Sponsored Enterprises” Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac, which received $10 billion annually in taxpayer subsidies even before their current bailout), Fannie’s well-paid lobbyists easily defeated those reform proposals by paying off liberal lawmakers and bullying critics. And the Administration did nothing to end federal obsessions with “affordable housing” and “diversity” that encouraged lenders to make risky loans to borrowers with little savings.
http://www.openmarket.org/2008/09/16/clinton-pressure-to-promote-affordable-housing-led-to-mortgage-meltdown/
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
12:49 pm
Erwin’s cat: to be honest I only have 10 fingers in order to point at blame for today’s economy
Haha! That’s fair. It reminds me of the finger-pointing that happened after Katrina. I was like, “Hello? If you’re only pointing at one group of people, you’re totally dishonest! There was a failure of responsibility everywhere you look!” The same applies in this economy, IMO. People did spend way too much on their McMansions and fancy stuff. The thing is, I WASN’T ONE OF THEM, but I’m paying the price via my net worth, after decades of working, paying the bills, maintaining the aging home, and shopping frugally. The bankers say, “It’s the government making us do this…” and I’m thinking, “Yeah, because y’all behaved so responsibly and treated people right when you had little gov’t oversight… cry me a river, bizzatch!” They are the financial professionals; it was their responsibility to do their jobs correctly.
Even so, I fail to see that any of our “representatives” are representing people like me. They’re still kissing up to their corporate donors, and I’m still getting the shaft. The GOP’s “Personal Responsibility” mantra only applies to the common folk, it seems. At the corporate-personhood level, it’s a whole different story!
Thulsa: Whatevs. If you have enough cash, they’ll treat you well. Congrats on being in that very small club (if you’re telling the truth). So why come here and whine every day, then, if things are going so well for you? Why aren’t you out sipping mimosas on this fine Sunday, smirking at the peasants who shuffle by?
getalife
December 11th, 2011
12:51 pm
Actually, it was scam not a great idea.
Look at phil gramm leading the deregulation of our banks to complete the scam.
corporate media will never ask the newt about that but the people should.
Erwin's cat
December 11th, 2011
12:53 pm
Matti – I feel ya…hang in there, the pendulum swings both ways
bman
December 11th, 2011
12:53 pm
how many here were for the wall street bailout before they were against it?
Midori
December 11th, 2011
12:57 pm
doomy,
You lost all credibility a long time ago.
When are you going to try to get it back?
quoth the raven: NEVERMORE
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
12:59 pm
CRA — SQUIRREL!
What’s more, only commercial banks and thrifts must follow CRA rules. The investment banks don’t, nor did the now-bankrupt non-bank lenders such as New Century Financial Corp. and Ameriquest that underwrote most of the subprime loans.
[...]
In a speech last March, Janet Yellen, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, debunked the notion that the push for affordable housing created today’s problems.
“Most of the loans made by depository institutions examined under the CRA have not been higher-priced loans,” she said. “The CRA has increased the volume of responsible lending to low- and moderate-income households.”
In a book on the sub-prime lending collapse published in June 2007, the late Federal Reserve Governor Ed Gramlich wrote that only one-third of all CRA loans had interest rates high enough to be considered sub-prime and that to the pleasant surprise of commercial banks there were low default rates. Banks that participated in CRA lending had found, he wrote, “that this new lending is good business.”
getalife
December 11th, 2011
12:59 pm
bman,
It reminded me of the bush 1 savings and loan bailouts except millions of people are invested in the market for pensions this time.
We have bankruptcy laws that saved people like trump from being dead broke and our airlines would cease to exist so when you factor in all the data, it was the right thing to do.
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
12:59 pm
Bogus Brazilian Oil Claims
Q: Did Obama loan $2 billion to Brazil’s oil company to benefit China and George Soros?
A: The president had nothing to do with the loan, which the Export-Import Bank approved for Brazil to buy U.S.-made equipment and services.
Doomy: you constantly spout lies and half-truthes and innuendo on this blog. Yet, you never post a link to support them.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
1:04 pm
How many here can clearly state how low Capital Gains Taxes create jobs? And I mean across the board not just for IPOs.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
1:05 pm
doomy lies.
That will not change.
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
1:05 pm
Doom: please post a link that shows what percentage of sub-prime loans were made to minorities under the CRA and what percentage were made otherwise.
I have already post one before that stated unequivocally that loans to minorities accounted for only 3% of sub-prime loans.
Why do you do this day after day? The only answer I can come up with is that you are some kind of sick troll who needs this kind of attention.
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
1:10 pm
Internet troll — An ugly critter (not necessarily a physical uglyness but more so a inner uglyness) who sits and generally makes things unpleasant by posting to a messege board just to get a reaction, most times a Negative reaction is desired, from other posters.
This site is an exhaustive guide on the recognition of, reasons for, and tactics used by internet trolls. I recommend you save it to your bookmarks/favorites for reference.
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
1:14 pm
Off to watch the game. Will someone please shovel the shyte out of here while I’m gone. It’s really stinking up the place.
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
1:16 pm
Hee hee. Got all the libs all riled up. Falcons coming on. Gotta go. I’ll be back later to dispel all the liberal nonsense.
In the meantime can someone please get back to me on my question as to why Obama is waging war on the economy and the average working man?
Keystone please? Why the war against the American economy? Why?
Kammy, I suggest that you read Thomas Sowell’s book on the financial meltdown where he just lays it all out. Educate yourself ma’am.
Getalifet, You’re the court jester of the blog. Go chew on some oxycontin.
Midori, You of all people have zero credibility. You post the most hateful, venomous posts on here. I hope you don’t call yourself a lady.
Sooth, The Brazilian loan was started in the W administration and was ultimately approved by an Obama appointee for 308 million by the independent federal import-export bank. I have zero problem with the loan guarantee. None. My problem is why we give support for other nation’s to develop their own oil yet Obama stands in the way of us getting at our own resources. It is bizarre. Also, Obama himself as you correctly pointed out did not personally issue the loan guarantee since it was done by the independent import export bank. However, the president’s words carry weight in policy matters and to deny such an obvious reality is to also deny that we breathe air.
On March 19, 2011, Obama met with Brazil’s new President Dilma Rousseff, hailed Brazil as an emerging “global leader” and talked of a bright future of cooperation between the two countries.
Several times in his visit, Obama expressed support for increased trade and partnerships with Brazil. He mentioned building infrastructure for the 2014 World Cup and the 2016 Summer Olympics and developing biofuel technology.
And several times, Obama said that the U.S. wanted to help Brazil develop its recently discovered deepwater oil reserves so the U.S. could be a customer.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
1:18 pm
doomy,
Nobody believes you.
Get lost.
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
1:21 pm
Thomas Sowell????
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
The only thing little Tommy Sowell can tell me, is where to get a life-sized Ayn Rand blow up doll.
Mick
December 11th, 2011
1:28 pm
donovan
You make the worst assumption of all, thankfully, not too many people are sharing your thought waves. I didn’t say none but that kind of leaves you on the fringe – exactly where you belong…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK-nVzp5NbE
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
1:34 pm
Mick – how is the weather down there?
It was 16 this morning here in Ohio, but at least I have Great Lakes Christmas Ale to get me through the day
kayaker 71
December 11th, 2011
1:48 pm
Another Newt rant?
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Doggone/GA
December 11th, 2011
1:55 pm
“Another Newt rant?”
Actually? No
Impotent Rage Against the Obama Machine
December 11th, 2011
1:57 pm
Yeah, never mind what that Republican said in 2002.
Let’em live under a bridge. ‘Merkan exceptionalism and all.
It may be a newt thread, but all I wanna talk about is
free housin and food stamps. You know them “demographics.”
You know what i’m sayin’. We got dog whistles for that.
Jm
December 11th, 2011
2:09 pm
Getalife 12:39
I’m with Romney. Period
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
2:15 pm
PLUMB PITY-FUL! I think all the Falcons players must’ve done got a “kiss” from their “missuses” last night. They shore ain’t got nothing left today! What an embarrassment!
Jm
December 11th, 2011
2:21 pm
Sooth
Bush did it
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
2:27 pm
Sooth,
Yeah, the Birds’ defense does appear to be distracted!
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
2:39 pm
After Doom’s posts earlier I would like to see Jay institute a “previously resolved issues” list on this blog. This so that we don’t argue the same issues in perpetuity.
That is, Fright-Wing propaganda that has been thoroughly debunked many, many times in the past.
And, actually put that list at the top of each thread. And, further, anyone who continues to post Fright-Wing propaganda that has already been resolved, should be banned for one day for a first offense, and permanently for a second offense.
Sounds reasonable to me. How about you?
getalife
December 11th, 2011
2:39 pm
Saints are not playing well too.
RGB
December 11th, 2011
2:40 pm
If Romney is offering soy burgers, then Obama can only be offering “S” sandwiches.
And Bookman et. al. plead “may I have another?”
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
2:43 pm
Sooth
Jay has already started something of the sort with the FairTax, Laffer curve and Hose GOP budget archives.
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
2:44 pm
“House” not Hose
Bill
December 11th, 2011
2:44 pm
And putting Barack Obama in the White House vice Hillary was not irresponsible? Let’s be fair with the facts – Obama had very little political experience – voting “present” over 100 tmes in the state senate, and not een a full term in the US Senate. He ever sponsed a major piece of legislation that was passed, had no experience in creating jobs, had no foriegn policy experience, and had three dubious close friends – a racist pastor, a person who bombed a police station, and a major contributor (ad realestate buddy) who is now in jail. And the dems select him over Hillary? And while do approeciate your point that Palin was not qualified, she had more experience than Obama.
Let’s not forget, as we give the Repubs the death notice of Mitt vice Newt, that Hillary was fighting the good fight until a month before the Democratic convention.
Newt did cheat on his wife – so did Jack and Ted Kennedy, and Bill Clinton – Jay you seem to want to hate on him for that, but give the aforementioed a pass?
The country has serious problems and we are not going to fix them without being true to ourselves.
While Newt has major many enemies, he also balance the budget, and delivered on the promise of the Contract for America – at least he delivered what he promised.
Back Seater
December 11th, 2011
2:47 pm
When is the Democrapic Senate going to bring up the 25 job bills for a vote, you know ones that the Conservative led House has passed to them?
Your do nothing Senate and so called POTUS are failures
Don’t act like you don’t know this is true
Oh by the way, when is O’Bama going to fire Eric’ Fast & Furious” Holder? What a loser. He is worse that Mr Howard, the Atlanta DA
Know what the best thought of the day is?
Only 13 more months of the worst admisistration in history, yes even worse than JC & GB
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
2:51 pm
Newt did cheat on his wife – so did Jack and Ted Kennedy, and Bill Clinton –
So did:
David “The Diaper Boy” Vitter
Larry “The Toe Tapper” Craig
John “I Did My Best Friend’s Wife” Ensign
Mark “I Hiked The Appalachian Trail to Argentina” Sanford
What’s your point?
getalife
December 11th, 2011
2:52 pm
The last two posters are ate up with failed con ideology and ods.
They will vote for another gop collapse of the global economy.
They should look up the definition of insanity.
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
2:53 pm
The last two posters are ate up with failed con ideology and ods.
Am not.
Thbbbbbbbbbbbttttt!
GT
December 11th, 2011
2:56 pm
Newt does obscure his own history. the truth and ethical behavior. A reporter ask him a question and he answers another question not asked that he wish had been. The moderators are scared to death of him for some reason. He has some of that Hitler mental illness to him. He will run against Obama and figure a way to intimidate the moderators or select ones he can intimidate on that level too. He is like he can be offensive and the rest have to play by the rules. He can be fat and ugly yet have three wives each usurered in by cheating on the one he is with. Somehow he hides behind the moderators and shoots his shots then as the others grasp their guns he calls foul. Clever guy, among his own, elect him and he will be the most hated president ever, but will finally complete the destruction of the Republican Party and usurer in a new party that represents the Regan Republican.
Back Seater
December 11th, 2011
2:58 pm
Getalife,
You are failing Rat blog rules,
You must deflect, defuse, then start with the personl attacks, get with the program or I will have to report you to Jay
Mick
December 11th, 2011
3:01 pm
common sense
It’s 79 degrees with 80% humidity, in other words summer is back. Putting up lights and sweating bullets…
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
3:01 pm
I take back all them nasty things I said about the Falcons earlier.
Justin Case
December 11th, 2011
3:02 pm
Jay again you display your ignorance!
getalife
December 11th, 2011
3:04 pm
Sorry Kam .
My bad
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
3:04 pm
Mick: I’ve been to Miami and I thought it was beautiful there. Having said that, I like it here in the ATL because we do get winter.
Jm
December 11th, 2011
3:05 pm
I wish we could just get the 2012 election over with
If America is going to re-elect the socialist, at least I could get on with making plans to survive the disaster and leave
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
3:06 pm
I knowed you didn’t mean me, getalife.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
3:08 pm
back seater,
“When is the Democrapic Senate going to bring up the 25 job bills ”
You are a liar.
No wonder you sit in the back.
loel
December 11th, 2011
3:09 pm
Boy, are liberals just rottening brain dead mucus. Reading these words shows what ignorance goes with it. Absolutely none of you could hold a candle to the wisdom, intelligence, and experience that Newt has. When it comes to your baby boy Obama, just where are the facts. He is worthless. He truely is “transparent”. We can all see an unamerican loser. Thank God he is not a leader for we would be even worse off than we are now.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
3:09 pm
jm,
Don’t surrender.
willard needs you to blog harder.
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
3:15 pm
Boy, are liberals just rottening brain dead mucus. [...] He truely{sic} is “transparent”.
Truely{sic}?
Too funny!
Jm
December 11th, 2011
3:17 pm
Portland mayor says occupy sucks
getalife
December 11th, 2011
3:17 pm
“We can all see an unamerican loser”
Yes we can.
His name is loel.
Unpatriotic too.
Typical con.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
3:28 pm
When our you cons going to start acting like Americans instead of our enemy?
Jm
December 11th, 2011
3:30 pm
Getalife
I’m just one of 300 million
I vote, I donate, I put up a sign
That’s about it
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
3:31 pm
Heck! Maybe ol’ Julio Jones was worth all them millions after all.
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
3:33 pm
New Movie: Blog Hard: The Jm Story
Erwin's cat
December 11th, 2011
3:33 pm
preach it Sooth…he’s maturing
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
3:34 pm
“Absolutely none of you could hold a candle to the wisdom, intelligence, and experience that Newt has.”
Well, I done just got the news. My Son has done been accepted to the 6th Grade Janitor’s Corps at his school. We’re just so excited! Now, he’ll larn a “real vocation” and he ain’t never gonna have to worry about gettin’ no job!
Any one but O'Bummer
December 11th, 2011
3:39 pm
Get off Newt’s backside… He has forgotten more about how to run this country than the present Admin will ever know!
Doggone/GA
December 11th, 2011
3:41 pm
“Absolutely none of you could hold a candle to the wisdom, intelligence, and experience that Newt has.””
I shouldn’t think good ole Newtie WANTS any more light shone on his “experience”
Jm
December 11th, 2011
3:41 pm
Kam. New movie
Scorpio devours Orion: there’s your sign
Followed by the sequel: Oops, Obama did it again
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
3:42 pm
He has forgotten more about how to run this country…
“Run”?
No
“Ruin”
Most definitely.
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
3:44 pm
Just checking in to see if any of the libs have explained obamas assault on the american economy. Is there a reason why he doesn’t want us to have 20,000 immediate jobs from the keystone pipeline plus up to a half million indirect jobs?
kammy criticizing thomas.sowell? But of course kammy knows more than the stanford economist. Bwahahahahaha! Kammy must just hate black intellectuals I guess.
Sooth criticizing fright wing propoganda? Thats downright hilarious coming from a guy who says 9/11 was an inside job done by W. How ironical!
Getalife? Somebody please get him a percocet to chew on.
And now a gift to the libs! W did it! Bwahahahahaha!
Any one but O'Bummer
December 11th, 2011
3:44 pm
Kamchak (or Kamchump) what do you call the last 3 years prosperity!
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
3:48 pm
Doom: same ol’ regurgitated pablum. You’re so predictable. Nothing to say — resort to ad hominem attack.
It’s really embarrassing.
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
3:49 pm
Kamchak (or Kamchump) what do you call the last 3 years prosperity!
The death throes of neo-classical economics.
Erwin's cat
December 11th, 2011
3:56 pm
JJ!
Mama says
December 11th, 2011
4:00 pm
Jay,
Can you show me any mainstream paper in the country that uses its power like the liberal papers do ?
The fact that your blog is titiled as it is points out the very point you slight conservatives for believing.
You could have chosen different language to headline this blog with, yet you paste your slanted and bias views up front for all to see. Most of your bloggers are liberals and jump on that red meat like a pack of wolves in winter. ( I watched the discovery channel ).
You are guilty of thievery thing you say you hate-propaganda.
As far as conservative candidates being rallied around when in trouble. Why dont we ask Cain, Palin, Bauchman, Perry or Huntsman if they have undying support.
Bottom line is you liberals preach a good game as you write your next bias headline.
How you can act like Newt wasn’t in congress with Clinton as president is laughable. To say he had no roll in the prosperity, balanced budget nor the overall. Good shape of the country while Clinton did everything that was good is simply irresponsible and goes along way in proving once again why intelligent people distrust the media.
Once on a time you were a news source that was unbiased. Now you are sheltered liberal taught college grads who are spouting the propaganda that enables you to feel good about yourselves. Nothing more than street walkers. Bringing home the money to your pimps.
Now even you would have to be envious of some of these analogies .
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
4:01 pm
In fact every post by every Fright-Winger on this blog can boiled down to one far-fetched fantasy. And, that is try to persuade themselves that the absolute destruction of our economy and the bankrupting of our Country is the result of something other than the 8 years of George W. Bush’s rule.
That the election of Barack Obama was somehow a “miscarriage of justice” ,or luck, and had nothing to do with the hopeless failure of the Republican administration of the prior 8 years.
And, you can’t blame them, really. The Truth can be so painful that denial is the only option you have open to you. For to accept the utter failure of their President is more than most of them can stomach.
Just look at their pathetic efforts to try to find someone to oppose Barack Obama. We’ve got a buffoon who wants your child to be the janitor at his own school. We’ve got a serial flip-flopper who “was before it before he was against it. And a cast of idiots and nut-cases.
Pity-ful, just pity-ful!
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
4:04 pm
Sooth,
Whats really embarrassing is telling people with a straight face that 9/11 was an inside job done by W.
Only in the kook world of the far left can kammy say the last 3 years has been republican style economics when a dem has been in charge including 2 years with both houses of congress. Only in bizarro land of the kook left.
carlosgvv
December 11th, 2011
4:06 pm
Doom
Can Obama, all by himself, open the keystone pipeline?
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
4:10 pm
…threw out the red meat bait…
…jump on that red meat like…
“Red meat”
Must have been used in that email chain-letter today.
Doggone/GA
December 11th, 2011
4:11 pm
“To say he had no roll in the prosperity”
Well I’d agree he had a “roll” – but it nothing to do with prosperity, and a lot to do with a subsequent divorce.
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
4:11 pm
Just checking in to see if any of the libs have explained obamas assault on the american economy.
Just playing devil’s advocate here, but isn’t that a staunch conservative attack line? Why would any liberal expend the energy to attempt to prove a conservative talking point? If I remember correctly, you were the one who made that assessment, so it would be upon you to explain and/or prove it to be correct. If anything, you would be looking to see if any liberals had proved it to be false.
That’s just my point of view though. I must state that I’m no expert though, it’s only my opinion.
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
4:15 pm
Doom: I keep telling you over and over that “W” was too stupid to have any part in 9/11 and he wasn’t told about it until after the fact lest he blab his big mouth about it!
Troll tactic: divert the subject of the discussion away the topic into a dead end.
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
4:15 pm
Oh! I had a roll with my dinner tonight!
Doggone/GA
December 11th, 2011
4:16 pm
“Just playing devil’s advocate here, but isn’t that a staunch conservative attack line?”
They always want someone else to do their work for them, don’t they?
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
4:16 pm
Well, the Falcons managed to snatch victory from certain defeat. I’m proud of them!
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
4:22 pm
To say he had no roll in the prosperity…
What kind of roll?
Onion?
Kaiser?
Potato?
Yeast?
getalife
December 11th, 2011
4:22 pm
Saints won too.
Midori
December 11th, 2011
4:25 pm
I love fresh baked rolls.
My grandma sure was a wiz at cooking them.
Sparta_Bubba
December 11th, 2011
4:27 pm
Quick! Say “President Gingrich” without laughing or drawing up in fear/repulsion.
After that explain the merits of “First Lady Callista” to your kids. Of course you would have to change the name after the first year since Newt changes wives as often as Buford changes his underwear.
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
4:28 pm
Brocephus,
I just want an explanation as to why obama s state dept is not approving the pipeline despite the number of jobs it would bring. I was hoping perhaps the dems could explain it.
Doggone,
Of course us cons want the libs to do our work for us. That’s why its the cons who have always supported more of the welfare state of course. Dontcha knows its the cons who sit at home on welfare while all the taxpaying, job providing democrats do all the work?
Mick
December 11th, 2011
4:29 pm
doom
Here’s a question for you; What’s more important water or oil? One is for humans and the other is for machines, what’s your choice?
MysteryMove
December 11th, 2011
4:29 pm
If an ego like Newt was ever elected into office, and given unfettered access to rule as he’d naturally would take control, I think the GOP party would forever regret they’re doing…. Newt would make Nixon and all the other GOP crooks look like sweat-pea.
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
4:37 pm
Mick,
The environmental argument that am oil leak could ruin an underground aquifer is preposterous. If that were true than we should just tear down every pipeline already in existence. Its a patently absurd argument.
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
4:43 pm
Sparta,
I’m still laughing 3 yrs into this clownship. The economic performance and the exploding debt speak volumes about this fool.
So libs? How much more debt have we added today? 3 or 4 billion ?
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
4:45 pm
I’m glad you brought that up, Doom. Like so much of your excrement you deposit here on the blog floor, this is BS also. Here’s the real story.
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
4:48 pm
Doom: Obama inherited an economy already running $1,200,000,000,000.00+/yr deficits. Would you be willing to reduce military spending in an amount to balance the budget?
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
4:51 pm
How many thousand times do we have to debate these same topics? How many thousand times will Doom try to lead the blog down some path where he thinks he can prevail?
pogo
December 11th, 2011
4:54 pm
Strangely, in their heart of hearts, the liberals truly fear Newt. Of course, by this time next year anybody will be able to do that. I personally don’t think Newt needs to be elected. But, if it comes down to voting for him or Obama, I mostly certainly will vote for Newt. He could not do near the damage to this country that Obama has and would do. Look at Obama’s sinking poll numbers. Nobody has any real confidence in him anymore. He spews the same old tired rhetoric as he did in 2008 and depends upon a “base” that is worse off now than they were when he took office to carry him again. He is totally depending upon them to ignore reality and to follow him anyway. His new scheme that I call his “progressive poutage” is pathetic. He is trying to lay the blame for the state of our country on Congress, its citizens (us) or even on “technology”. He blames anybody or anything but himself. Their is not one gram of accountability in his arrogant @$$. Obama is a total loser.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
4:54 pm
doomy wants us to jump down doomy holes.
He is replacing scout.
Soothsayer
December 11th, 2011
4:54 pm
I’m out. I don’t mind telling you, fellow bloggers, that I get so disgusted by the Fright-Wingers on this blog, it literally makes me sick to my stomach. That they can come on this blog and act like they really have something to say is a wonder that I will never understand.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
4:56 pm
pogo,
You write the same crap when a new leader emerges.
Your ods is off the charts.
Old and tired bs pogo.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
4:59 pm
Since you cons do nothing but lie about your President, we need a new rule.
Tell your lie then back it up with a credible (not rw blogs or propaganda) link.
Then we debate the lie.
Go for it cons.
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
5:01 pm
Nobody has any real confidence in him anymore.
Who granted you the authority to speak for anyone other than yourself?
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
5:02 pm
Sooth,
Obama inherited debts and a bad situation? Sooo 3 yrs later its still Ws fault?
Question to the libs. At what point, if ever, does obama assume any responsibility? When???
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
5:04 pm
Question: Does anyone want to jump down a thelma rabbit hole?
getalife
December 11th, 2011
5:04 pm
doomy,
Our economy is improving now that your corrupt party failed to stop our recovery for this election.
Unemployment will be back to 8 % for the election according to drudge.
Midori
December 11th, 2011
5:05 pm
Strangely, in their heart of hearts, the liberals truly fear Newt.
yeah.
I’m scared he’s going to sit on me.
bman
December 11th, 2011
5:06 pm
did Obama say the unemployment would be down to 8% by Nov. 2012? I know he didn’t say that
getalife
December 11th, 2011
5:09 pm
bman,
8%.
Yes, he can now your corrupt party failed on stealing more jobs.
Midori
December 11th, 2011
5:09 pm
you’re right bman.
He didn’t.
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
5:11 pm
In my heart of hearts I truly fear a witch will turn me into a newt.
Doggone/GA
December 11th, 2011
5:12 pm
“Strangely, in their heart of hearts, the liberals truly fear Newt”
I doubt it. Some of might be afraid of dying laughing if he’s elected, but afraid OF him? What’s to be afraid of?
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
5:16 pm
Pogo,
Kammy is right. You should edit your statement to ask if any rational person still believes in obama to which the answer is a resounding no. But you do not speak for the koolaide drinkers, zombies, morons, automotons, and left wing kooks. They still believe. Call it mindless cult of personality because they sure can’t support him due to his destructive economic policies. Or do they?
josef
December 11th, 2011
5:17 pm
POGO
“Strangely, in their heart of hearts, the liberals truly fear Newt”
Heart of hearts, nothing, that one as president scares the bee-jeesus out of me. Up to that point, he’s the run-of-the-mill, full of his cheap imported self, morally corrupt, political charlatan who actually believes he’s a great mind of Western Civilization when he’s not even a half-competent hack…
getalife
December 11th, 2011
5:17 pm
He announced during a television interview that the number of people out of jobs could drop to eight per cent by next year’s election – the lowest since he moved into the White House in 2008.
‘I think it’s possible,” Obama told CBS’s 60 Minutes in an interview set to air on Sunday.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072467/Obama-predicts-US-unemployment-drop-lowest-came-White-House.html#ixzz1gGcKCJ3X
See how it is done cons?
Your turn.
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
5:19 pm
Obama do loves his high employment he do. And kammy do loves jumping down that rabbit hole. They all do.
bman
December 11th, 2011
5:21 pm
Midori .. .. did you really just reply to post I made without being nasty??? Lots of fresh baked rolls will make even the nastiest person nice.
Jackson Baer
December 11th, 2011
5:22 pm
Ron Paul did well in the debate and I think Romney buried himself with the $10,000 bet. Paul is consistent and honest. Even though I don’t completely agree with his foreign policy I am voting for him because he sticks to the constitution. Gingrich is in love with himself and Perry can’t remember anything. Bachmann is a broken record and Santorum seems nice and all but doesn’t offer anything new. Ron Paul is fiscally responsible and that is what we need as a country!
RON PAUL 2012
http://www.whatthehellbook.com/the-book/
Ol' Timer
December 11th, 2011
5:23 pm
ATTENTION ALL NEO-CONS: William Jefferson Clinton is not running for POTUS and his previous affair with Monica Lewinski is not relevent to the present discussion. However, if you want to talk about his accomplishments and the surplus he left for Dubya, have at it!
Finally, Gingrich provides the cons with the dilimna my old pappy talked about when he said if you get what you want are you gonna want whatcha’ got when you get it?
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
5:23 pm
Something tells me josef would vote for the devil himself over newt.
Devil 1
Newt 0
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
5:26 pm
Ol timer,
There are those who have typos and those that just can’t spell
josef
December 11th, 2011
5:26 pm
Thulsa
How COULD I vote for the Devil himself over Newt…I’d have to mark the ballot twice…
Midori
December 11th, 2011
5:27 pm
do you have a persecution complex, bman? according to “you”, everyone is being nasty.
yet you NEVER make that comment to those who actually do that.
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
5:28 pm
Doggone:
They always want someone else to do their work for them, don’t they?
Doom @ 4:28
Fair question, although I doubt that anybody here would be able to give a genuine answer. Anything coming from somebody outside the know is nothing more than speculation. Pipelines are fairly safe considering the number of miles we already have versus the number of major accidents. The problem with them, though, is that one accident does more PR damage than 10 years of operating without one. Also, when they are not properly maintained, they end up with small leaks all over. I remember one of the major Alaskan pipelines had thousands of minor leaks at one time because it was in a state of disrepair. I don’t know if the entire pipeline was replaced, patched up, or still leaking.
But, if it comes down to voting for him or Obama, I mostly certainly will vote for Newt. He could not do near the damage to this country that Obama has and would do.
That might be your opinion, but others may think the exact opposite. Newt panders so friggin’ hard that I don’t think he really has a clue about what he would actually do if he got elected.
Jimmy62
December 11th, 2011
5:31 pm
If only the Democrats spent even 10% of the time the GOP spends vetting candidates. Newt is the current leader, but we may decide he’s not the right one, either. We don’t just pick a guy two years early based on good speeches and complete lack of experience.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
5:35 pm
josef @December 11th, 2011
5:17 pm
You left out carpetbagging pond scum.
Midori
December 11th, 2011
5:37 pm
of course you don’t Jim.
your criteria includes sheer stupidity and hypocrisy.
Doggone/GA
December 11th, 2011
5:38 pm
“We don’t just pick a guy two years early based on good speeches and complete lack of experience”
Right. You just throw a dozen or so into the stew and hope one of them cooks up edible enough to be elected.
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
5:38 pm
Newt is the current leader, but we may decide he’s not the right one, either.
At one time Cain was “the current leader.” As was:
Bachmann
Perry
Trump
Who else y’all got in the bullpen?
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
5:38 pm
Bro,
I’m not a newt fan by any means. He is a jackass, a devil, an arrogant pos. But he is competent, or at least more so than obama. You cannot deny the fact that his congress worked hand in hand with clinton to balance budgets. He deserves credit as well as clinton despite his personal failings of which clinton had many as well including a credible allegation of rape according to ax NOW
josef
December 11th, 2011
5:38 pm
Common Sense
Well, yeah, that, too…
josef
December 11th, 2011
5:40 pm
Thulsa
He deserves credit? At Tiffany’s maybe…
getalife
December 11th, 2011
5:44 pm
jim,
They vetted our President with the Clinton machine then the rove machine and he still won.
You cons can’t beat him so why not start acting like Americans and support him?
Midori
December 11th, 2011
5:45 pm
Kammy,
that bench is looking mighty thin, isn’t it?
where can a party find a great white hope when they need one?
getalife
December 11th, 2011
5:46 pm
newt shut down government doomy so he gets credit for that.
President Clinton gets the rest of the credit.
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
5:47 pm
where can a party find a great white hope when they need one?
Resurrect St. Ronnie-of-the-RayGun as the zombie candidate.
BRAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS.
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
5:48 pm
Josef,
im thinking newt may have a better chance of whupping mike tysons ass then if he tried to take you on. you despise him to the trillionth degree.Po
josef
December 11th, 2011
5:49 pm
midori
“where can a party find a great white hope when they need one”
Or at least a mulatto…
josef
December 11th, 2011
5:50 pm
Thulsa
And that’s on my more tolerant days…
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
5:50 pm
If only the Democrats spent even 10% of the time the GOP spends vetting candidates.
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And just where did all the right wing talking points about Obama originate? Did the talking point fairy just sprinkle Bill Ayers, Rev. Right, community organizer, Tony Rezko, and all the other crap out of his/her colon?
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
5:51 pm
Elmer fudd could beat the complete fool in there now. Even the libs know that.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
5:53 pm
We accept that weak surrender doomy.
You are done.
Midori
December 11th, 2011
5:53 pm
Kammy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA0X4SliFJI
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
5:54 pm
Doom
Newt’s fellow congressmen have came out and said he couldn’t lead sh*t out of his colon (or something to that effect). I don’t think Newt is competent at all. That dude has at least 3 personalities that have shown themselves while he’s been in the public eye. Newt changes his ideals more than a hooker changes johns, and that’s putting it mildly. If the guy actually stood for what he honestly thought and felt without wavering and/or pandering, he might be acceptable then. In his current form, I wouldn’t vote him to be a TSA screener.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
5:57 pm
Midori@December 11th, 2011
5:45 pm
Well they already have the great white dope(s)
Midori
December 11th, 2011
5:57 pm
so now Obama is a wascally wabbit?
that worked out real well for Elmer, didn’t it?
Bugs Bunny bested Elmer at every turn.
Speaking of a complete fool…………
Midori
December 11th, 2011
5:57 pm
good one, Common!!
josef
December 11th, 2011
5:59 pm
Brosephus
He’s the walking, talking definition of pander…but as Unmentionable says, give him his credit as a mathematician…he sure knows how to find the lowest common denominator…
ragnar danneskjold
December 11th, 2011
5:59 pm
Sounds like panic in ObamaTown. Given the disasters that have arisen from the democrat overlords – chronic 9% unemployment rate, explosion in corrosive government spending, massive government grants to Obama contributors, government takeover of one of the few areas where US leads the world (medical care and research,) the falsely-sold anti-business Dodd-Frank control of the financial sector – compared to Gingrich’s prior success in at least one area, budget control, looks like disaster looms for democrats tied to Obama.
Good enough. Not a big Newt fan, but Hugo Chavez looks competent compared to the community organizer occupying the Oval Office now.
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
6:00 pm
Brocephus,
well I have to admit that whole post was damn funny just another adoring newt fan like josef. NOT!
Doggone/GA
December 11th, 2011
6:00 pm
“If the guy actually stood for what he honestly thought ”
You’re asking a dishonest man to have an HONEST thought?
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
6:01 pm
I wonder what the expiration date is on his current marriage?
And where do you find the expiration on Calista?
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
6:02 pm
Doom
Well, in full disclosure, I’m not a fan of any politician. I think they’re all jackasses.
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
6:04 pm
Libs getting racial. No surprise there. Midori do be loving her racial politics.
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
6:05 pm
josef
Tell the UM that he’s disparaging mathematicians when he makes that comparison.
Bud Wiser
December 11th, 2011
6:05 pm
BIG BEND NATIONAL PARK, Texas — The bloody drug war in Mexico shows no sign of relenting. Neither do calls for tighter border security amid rising fears of spillover violence.
This hardly seems a time the U.S. would be willing to allow people to cross the border legally from Mexico without a customs officer in sight. But in this rugged, remote West Texas terrain where wading across the shallow Rio Grande undetected is all too easy, federal authorities are touting a proposal to open an unmanned port of entry as a security upgrade. ?????
More evidence the Obozo camp is getting more desperate to get more ‘voters’ in for 2012 elections, as these illegals swarming in will doubtless be left pamphlets supplied by the govt with directions to the nearest voter/democratic party registration location, as well as where to sign up for social security, welfare, unemployment benefits, and free scholarships.
josef
December 11th, 2011
6:06 pm
Common
“And where do you find the expiration on Calista?”
“It’s tattooed on the back of the neck, Dummy…” With apologies to Monty Python…
ragnar danneskjold
December 11th, 2011
6:08 pm
Maybe Chauncey will show us what a great leader he is by bailing out Europe.
josef
December 11th, 2011
6:09 pm
Brosephus
Hell, if the historians have to bear the outrageous fortune, y’all mathematicians ain’t exempt…
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
6:10 pm
Hell Newt can’t even count his kids anymore
Since his annullment they be bastids
Jm
December 11th, 2011
6:12 pm
True to form, the blog rolls on. Buy nothing of substance debated by the liberals.
Not a lot of depth to those liberals.
Midori
December 11th, 2011
6:12 pm
glad I’m able to oblige you, Doom.
high praise coming from you
josef
December 11th, 2011
6:15 pm
Jm
So…what’s to debate…? Now that we know the universe is not heliocentric, does that mean that Copernicus was never a heretic?
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
6:16 pm
Midori,
You may take your seat now.
AmVet - If you're a Republican, please punch yourself in the face.
December 11th, 2011
6:18 pm
Obama’s odds of being president are better than his odds were four years ago.
If Newt does the unimaginable and convinces enough of the Republirubes to nominate him, it will be a second consecutive blow out for the Uppity Muslim juggernaut.
Mr. “I screw around on my wives” Gingrich would be hard pressed to get 40% of the popular vote and perhaps 140 electoral college votes.
Face it, Mittens is all you cons have. I’d be kissing his ass and sending him lots of money if I were (perish the thought) a con…
josef
December 11th, 2011
6:19 pm
Thulsa
BTW, why can’t the liberals have racists? Have the conservatives now declared a monopoly there? We demand the equal rights to have racists, too…this is America, d*mmit!
Mick
December 11th, 2011
6:20 pm
Liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals,
liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, liberals, and those liberals.
Not a lot of depth when all you can do is stereotype…
Doggone/GA
December 11th, 2011
6:22 pm
“Mr. “I screw around on my wives” Gingrich would be hard pressed to get 40% of the popular vote and perhaps 140 electoral college votes”
This gives me pause. If was his patriotism that led him astray in the matter of wives, they may need to install a revolving door on the Whitehouse if he gets elected President.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
6:22 pm
I prefer a debate about the relative quality of single malt scotch vs single malt Irish whisky
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
6:22 pm
Soooooo after 3 years I wonder what obama s overall economic performance and debt numbers are. Bwahahahahahaha. Oh. What you say? Its Ws fault? Yes. Of course it is. Bless your hearts!
Midori
December 11th, 2011
6:23 pm
Josef -
you took the words right out of my fingers.
me being “seated” and all……….
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
6:25 pm
Heaven help Calista if she gets sick.
According to an AJC article today ol Newt started to fool around on number 2 while she was sick also. According to him she knew and agreed to let him fool around.
Ah, where can I get me a woman like that
josef
December 11th, 2011
6:27 pm
Common
Well, I can’t join that one…I’m Bourbon you know!
midori…
It is a rather catholic (lower case c) group, y’know…
Midori
December 11th, 2011
6:27 pm
got a link to that article, Common?
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
6:29 pm
Josef,
You would be one of the few liberals who acknowledges that ya got your own set a bigots over there. From the race hustlers like al and jessie to the ows protestors screaming about jewish bankers. Interesting how many pogroms and anti semitism occurs in socialist nations like the former USSR
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
6:32 pm
Midori -
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/gingrich-carries-lots-of-1257019.html
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
6:33 pm
Josef -
So you and Jay have the same tastes eh
pogo
December 11th, 2011
6:34 pm
Without all of the number manipulation, un-employment nationwide is hovering around 13%. And we have 45 million people on foodstamps. Yep, happy days are here again. First quarter numbers are going to paint an even darker picture. The BB’s have quit spending and an economy that is totally built upon consumerism such as ours, is in deep, deep do-do. Afterall, we have no industry to pull us out this time. Green and technology jobs as Obama touted in 2008. Yea, that’s the ticket. Both of these ultimately cost jobs to the American workforce. What I would like to know is, even if we did succeed in creating cost effective renewable energy (which won’t ever happen) what will we do with it? I guess we could use it to power our I-Phones and our computers looking for jobs that don’t exist. Or to allow us to sit and waste our lives away on some meaningless blogs has so many here do.
Mick
December 11th, 2011
6:34 pm
Sidebar
Check this trailer out, could be interesting-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1R4b04mxOs
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
6:35 pm
josef
Oh hell naw…. y’all historians are stuck with his ass!!!!!
I prefer a debate about the relative quality of single malt scotch vs single malt Irish whisky
Why debate, just drinkem’ all… Now if you wanna discuss ale vs dopplebock vs hefeweizen vs trappist, then I’m all ears.
josef
December 11th, 2011
6:35 pm
“Laura Ingraham on Newt Gingrich: He looks like the“Love Child of a Cabbage Patch Doll and Chucky””
That, too!
Bill Orvis White
December 11th, 2011
6:36 pm
You just hate facts. The man is winning and could very well be the leader of the free world. Why the hate, Liberal Jay? Folk like you and your friends Denny Kucinich, Hairy Reid, Hussein Obama, Nanny Pelosi and Bawney Frank are losing.
This once-free nation needs a bomb thrower to change up the system.WE THE PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF BUSINESS AS USUAL! Speaker Gingrich proves that HE WILL CHANGE THE SYSTEM!
WE THE PEOPLE in the patriotic Tea Party love seeing you sore liberals squirm when a real man stands up for the country1
GOOD NIGHT!
Amen,
Bill
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
6:37 pm
Bro – I only have 2 words for you
CHRISTMAS ALE
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
6:39 pm
This once-free nation
Where do you live????
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
6:40 pm
NoCom
I’m hugging my last bottle until Christmas. Been trying to get in touch with my cousin in Germany. I could use a care package right about now.
Midori
December 11th, 2011
6:41 pm
Common – thanks for the link.
Interesting article.
josef
December 11th, 2011
6:43 pm
Common Sense…
Well, I have said that I would have a few drinks with the Imam…a Bourbon man can’t be all bad… and who knows, after a few, he might even recant some of his cultural heresy!
BROSEPHUS
Only if we’re MAJOR…
BILL ORVIS WHITE
“This once-free nation needs a bomb thrower to change up the system.WE THE PEOPLE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF BUSINESS AS USUAL! Speaker Gingrich proves that HE WILL CHANGE THE SYSTEM! ”
D*mn! Does Homeland Security know about this yet? Be careful or Obama will be on the phone to Alan the Black Cat…
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
6:43 pm
Or to allow us to sit and waste our lives away on some meaningless blogs has so many here do.
A blogger complaining about the habits of other bloggers.
The joke that never grows stale.
Too funny!
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
6:49 pm
Common Sense, josef, and Broseph,
Being of Scottish descent, I vote for the single-malt Scotch, although I do enjoy quality whiskey from other origins. (Um, do I get a vote? Are we voting on something important now?)
josef,
How do you know if you’re having a heart attack?
Atlanta1
December 11th, 2011
6:51 pm
Pathetic Jay…
Your better than this.
josef
December 11th, 2011
6:52 pm
Thulsa
But, doncha know, racism is only black and white…?
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
6:53 pm
Matti
Vote away!!! If it’s the hard stuff, I’m good with a good ol’ sour mash from TN or KY. When it comes to beer, that’s when my arrogance rears it’s ugly head.
josef
December 11th, 2011
6:53 pm
Matti
A woman or a man? The symptoms are different…
Brosephus
December 11th, 2011
6:53 pm
josef
You mean there’s historians out there that are NOT major???
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
6:57 pm
I prefer a debate about the relative quality of single malt scotch vs single malt Irish whisky
Never had any single malt Irish, but I highly recommend Jameson’s very rare blended whiskey labeled Midleton.
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
6:59 pm
josef,
Heh…(resisting urge to repeat jokes that are popping into my head). I guess you’re the wrong person for me to ask, then. The only heart attack *survivors* I know are men, so I can’t really ask the women. Oh well. No biggie.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
6:59 pm
I go for both good scotch or good Irish whiskey depending on the mood.
I guess you could say I go both ways
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
7:02 pm
Kam – the single malt Irish is difficult to find and expensive to buy.
Jamesons is very good, but if you run across any Tulamore Dew buy it (hint you can taste the peat)
josef
December 11th, 2011
7:05 pm
matti
The real ones and not the metaphoric…
http://www.realage.com/check-your-health/womens-health/hidden-heart-attack-signs-in-women
Mick
December 11th, 2011
7:10 pm
Man – you all are some political animals, it’s sunday, you know the day of rest?
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
7:12 pm
josef,
Yes, women email this stuff to each other all the time, along with those horrible Maxine cartoons about “the change,” hot flashes, saggy boobs, and saggier men. It’s truly awful, and makes Sylvia Plath look like a genius. Of the six symptoms listed, I have four most of the time, another much of the time, and the other one some of the time. So…. that really tells me nothing. But thanks!
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
7:12 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common
I used to know the gentleman that managed Reggie’s British Pub, a bar that was to be in CNN center in Atl. He told a story about a group of Irishmen that were there for a convention, came in and ordered Jamesons. Their server told them they didn’t have Jamesons, they served Bushmills. Very indignantly these Irishmen said, “We will not drink that Protestant whiskey.”
They sat there and drank Harp Ale all night long.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
7:14 pm
Mick – okay are you a Ale, Scotch, Irish whiskey, or rot gut drinker?
It’s a political question.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
7:15 pm
Kam – I loved Reggie’s takes me back many years, we must be old
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
7:17 pm
Kam – If I’m not mistaken there was also a Reggie’s in Peachtree Corner’s a while back
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
7:18 pm
Holiday Whiskey Tip:
When reaching for the egg nog, spike it with a good bourbon or Southern Comfort. Do NOT pour good Scotch into the egg nog, even if it’s the only booze left in the house, as I discovered late one Christmas Eve. YUCK! It ruins both!
zeke
December 11th, 2011
7:20 pm
german paper on republican candidates:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/a-800850.html
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
7:22 pm
Josef,
Racism is only black n white? Good one!
Newt looks like a mating of a cabbage patch doll and chucky? Damn if that ain’t funny. And true
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
7:29 pm
Mick,
Actually saturday is gods day of rest. And no I am not jewish. But if you can point out to me where in the bible god changed the sabbath to the 6th day then I will gladly oblige.
Mick
December 11th, 2011
7:34 pm
common
I really dislike alcohol but I’m partial to wild turkey. Just a few shots, I’m a lightweight.
Doom
What did you thing of the new stooges trailer? It might just work…
josef
December 11th, 2011
7:34 pm
Thulsa
We have a poster here who has no qualms at all about broadbrushing Southerners, but if you took out the slur referring to that “those people” and put in, say, Jewish, Black or Muslim, s/he’d have a duck fit…and so it goes, he case of Sister Cynthia and her “defense” of the use of “gypsy” to refer to the cabs, so long as it is written “with a lower case ‘g’..I don’t know how many times I’ve heard good liberals, among them Pulitzer Prize winner Eugene Robinson, use the term “off the reservation…and so it goes….
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
7:35 pm
For the record: I am enjoying a seasonal brew from the RJ Rockers brewing Co. out of Spartanburg S.C. called, The First Snow. Worth the taste if you can find it in the Atl.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 11th, 2011
7:42 pm
Broadbrushing Southners? Would that be a white washing or are they gang symbols in spray paint?
TO be or not TO be
December 11th, 2011
7:55 pm
Oops! Some truth got spilled on a Republican.
Go with Cynthia... Please!
December 11th, 2011
8:10 pm
‘And if you have nurtured your base on the red meat of anger and resentment, building an elaborate media infrastructure to generate fresh outrage to feed upon, you have prepared the way for a demagogic leader with a genius for that style of politics’… Jay, you almost never reference the current president but you described his class warfare to a ‘tee’! Can’t CT get you a gig over in Athens too?
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
8:12 pm
We have a poster here who has no qualms at all about broadbrushing Southerners…
Also got a poster here who broadbrushes Northerners with “carpetbagger.”
josef
December 11th, 2011
8:13 pm
Good fight
I know it was a joke and a god one, too…but at the same time you’ve touched on an interesting point…for some reason Outlanders think that Southern equates just “white” …th existence of millions of Not so white denizens of Uncle Sam’s Oldest Colony just dismissed out of hand…say whatever else you will about the melanin deficient meridianals, they’ve always accepted the quintessential “southernness” of the African element of the American people…
josef
December 11th, 2011
8:17 pm
K’chakm
FYI I do not broad brush Northerners as such…there are (Im)migrants and there are Carpetbaggers. The former are due respect, the latter are not.
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
8:21 pm
…there are (Im)migrants and there are Carpetbaggers.
Nope.
Citizens of the United States and they are due a cordially Southern, “welcome, y’all.”
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 11th, 2011
8:22 pm
We have a poster here who has no qualms at all about broadbrushing Southerners…
Hey! I can hear you up here!
josef
December 11th, 2011
8:25 pm
K’chak
Younwould make that comment, being of the narrow-minded, quipping, drive- by school
of reactionary way of thinking…sport,
John J Bryant
December 11th, 2011
8:26 pm
To all of the Birthers out there.WHERE WAS NEWT BORN?
Poker Night with the Newt
December 11th, 2011
8:28 pm
I’ll see your fifty and raise you three.
John J Bryant
December 11th, 2011
8:31 pm
Birthers, I WANT TO SEE NEWTS BIRTH CERTIFICATE, and if he was not BORN IN AMERICA, THEN WHERE, DOES HE HAVE TO BE BORN IN AMERICA TO BE PRESIDENT?
Kamchak
December 11th, 2011
8:31 pm
Is there such a thing as the Duk-sha-nee- shoe company?
josef
December 11th, 2011
8:33 pm
K’chak
You should know, sitting as you do on the board of directors…
Newt, Inc., A No Liability Company
December 11th, 2011
8:36 pm
Newt is coming out with a new book of how the south should have won the war of northern aggression entitled “United Plantations of America.” Autographed copies will be available for $80,000 each. Get your orders in early.
Newt, Inc., A No Liability Company
December 11th, 2011
8:38 pm
Is there such a thing as the Duk-sha-nee- shoe company?
They make non-stick waders to make clean up easy after you have stepped in it up to your eyeballs. Newt is a subject matter expert.
josef
December 11th, 2011
8:41 pm
Newt, Inc.
Meanwhile over here at the Rothschild Pace,,,
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 11th, 2011
8:53 pm
josef, as for your earlier comment, I have no explanation for the ability to see only what they want to see. But it appears to be selective vision based on their desired argumentive outcome.
Hubert
December 11th, 2011
9:00 pm
I am an independent if not being a money supporting benefactor of any political party is illustrative of being independent. My independent friends choice is Newt Gingrich above everyone else. It is evident that the Democrats and the pretend GOP in Washington are in a panic.
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 11th, 2011
9:01 pm
I refer to Newt as a carperbagger because of his move from west Ga to Cobb County to run for Congress.
When they abolished his old district he looked to see which one he might be electable in.
He had to pick the one that was formerly held by Larry ‘John Birch’ McDonald.
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
9:02 pm
Hubert, have you asked them why?
josef
December 11th, 2011
9:09 pm
Common sense..
That is what aCarpetbagger does…
getalife
December 11th, 2011
9:11 pm
Independents for the newt?
Do they want another collapse?
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
9:12 pm
Common, Larry Mcdonald–Newt Gingrich, now there’s a contrast..
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
9:12 pm
Common Sense,
The same could be said of Obama being a carpetbagger in coming to Chicago and running for office. Difference being of course that in getting elected he challenged the validity petitions of his dem. competition and got them booted out.In other words disenfranchisement.
I believe also that John Kerry moved into an open district and I think W did the same also. This happens a lot between both parties where somebody ambitious will move into an open district to make a run at that congressional office.
josef
December 11th, 2011
9:13 pm
Frog
How so?
josef
December 11th, 2011
9:15 pm
Thulsa
And they are Carpetbaggers….
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
9:15 pm
Thulsa Doom, but Hilary’s move was just because Bill wanted to
live in New York City
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
9:18 pm
josef, for one thing Mcdonald was a medical expert. Newt is an expert
at nothing.
Larry30
December 11th, 2011
9:21 pm
Always fun to read an opinion piece written by a liberal about who he perceives to be conservative. Mr. Bookman, the Washington GOP establishment you talk about is no more conservative than my dog. They are democrat lites. They believe in big government for their own vote buying schemes and real conservatives are sick and tired of it. They have given us big government moderates like bob dole, both George bushes, and the “maverick.” There would be no change in course for the country with people like that. We would head down the same destructive path at a slower pace than under the leadership of an Obama. If they hand me another moderate to vote for then I will cast my vote for Obama. If this country is going to be led down the crapper then let’s get on with it and hit bottom so we can start the process of turning the country around. I know folks like you credit bill clinton with the balanced budgets of the 90’s but all spending originates in the house and the government shutdown in ‘95 occurred because Gingrich and the GOP house members would not agree to let Clinton spend more money. Clinton shut down the govt’ (no big deal to me, by the way). Gingrich led the house to end the destructive welfare program that destroyed poor families and robbed people of their dignity. Your assertions that the dc party elites have “built” some kind of media infrastructure that affirms their ideology is laughable. To the contrary, a fresh form of conservative media has thrived commercially because there are millions of people who are ready to rid themselves of career parasites and enjoy being informed as to the truth of what is going on in this country.
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
9:25 pm
Larry 30, if the millions of which you speak will vote in the next election
the career parasites can be removed from office.
Natrone
December 11th, 2011
9:26 pm
Obama will beat gingrich or romney easy!!! 4 more years!!!!!!!
josef
December 11th, 2011
9:28 pm
Frog
I don’t know much about McDonald….except how he exited
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
9:29 pm
Natrone, gingrich easy, romney not so much…
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
9:32 pm
josef, I knew him personally and ran part of his campaign
in northwest georgia. Common sense is correct he was nominally
the head of the John Birch Society and would have been President
if he hadn’t been killed.
dcb
December 11th, 2011
9:34 pm
Bookman – I think you protesteth too much about Gingrich. Sounds like a scared cat trying to plant some seeds. And for Natrone and barking frog above, I hope you look forward as much as I do to a Gingrich-Obama debate. It’ll be interesting to see what the Pres can do w/o his cue cards. Personally, I think he’ll be chewed up and spit out by Gingrich.
Jm
December 11th, 2011
9:37 pm
Newt was born in Hope Arkansas
Wait a sec
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
9:38 pm
dcb, Obama-Gingrich debate not likely to happen. The Republican
party is in the process of chewing up and spitting out the Newt and
he will leave a bitter taste.
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
9:39 pm
McDonald… wasn’t he the reason we were boycotting Stoli in the nightclub where I worked back in the 80’s?
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
9:40 pm
Jm, did you get that from a pennsylvanian ?
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
9:41 pm
Matti, could be, he was a plane shot down by the Russians.
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
9:42 pm
Matti , make that ‘on a plane’…
Jm
December 11th, 2011
9:46 pm
Frog
Callista’s twin sister Jennifer Flowers told me
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
9:49 pm
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
9:18 pm
josef, for one thing Mcdonald was a medical expert. Newt is an expert
at nothing.
Barking frog,
You’re dead wrong. We’ve already confirmed that Newt is an expert at looking like a cross between a cabbage patch doll and chucky.
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
9:50 pm
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
9:15 pm
Thulsa Doom, but Hilary’s move was just because Bill wanted to
live in New York City
Hee Hee. Carpetbaggers all over the political spectrum.
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
9:54 pm
frog,
That’s right! I remember now. (So long ago, when I was just a baby.) Hey, if I were having a heart attack, it would hurt really bad, not just hurt, right?
Rubes never get it
December 11th, 2011
9:55 pm
Newt is his biggest fan, enough said. He is a pseudo-intellectual with self grandiose behavior.
As a fellow GOP congressman said, “If Newt is the smartest man in the room, you need to leave that room”. I would add very quickly.
We can only hope that a new mistress will surface to save us from his self absorbed candidacy. With the icy appearance of the third Mrs Gingrich, I am feeling lucky in that aspect.
OedipusTax
December 11th, 2011
9:57 pm
And calling Gingrich “Frankenstein” passes for journalism at the AJC? Not surprised. Anything to see papers.
And I challenge Jay Bookman to find any article ever in which he described a Democratic Candidate with a similar adjective.
But common sense and fair play from Jay Bookman?
That would be like expecting our President to talk about excessive government spending.
OedipusTax
December 11th, 2011
9:57 pm
“see papers” should be “sell papers”
getalife
December 11th, 2011
9:58 pm
The newt was hatched in Pa. and fancies himself as a historian that gives “strategic advice”.
In the real world, he is as lobbyist for the 1 %.
barking frog
December 11th, 2011
10:00 pm
Matti, 9:54′ people have different heart attack symptoms
Chest pains of unknown origins should be checked by a doctor.
Jm
December 11th, 2011
10:00 pm
“hatched”?
You mean spawned I think
JAWJA
December 11th, 2011
10:03 pm
The only contest Noot is sure to win is ugliest wife. All that Tiffany gone to waste!
Jm
December 11th, 2011
10:07 pm
Jawja
Ugliest wife? That was creative
getalife
December 11th, 2011
10:09 pm
Matti,
I have seen a man fall down and throw up from the chest pain.
He did not make it.
Yeah, it is pretty bad.
Doggone/GA
December 11th, 2011
10:10 pm
“And calling Gingrich “Frankenstein” passes for journalism at the AJC?”
No. You need to learn the difference between opinion writing and journalism writing.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
10:11 pm
What are your symptoms Matti?
getalife
December 11th, 2011
10:14 pm
Looks like you coach has some health issues.
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
10:19 pm
Doggone/GA,
Metaphors are totally lost on some people, particularly those lacking in the basic literary knowledge of our culture. Bless their hearts.
getalife,
Thanks. Not having that issue yet.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
10:20 pm
Matti,
Do you have constant chest pain?
ron paul
December 11th, 2011
10:22 pm
the only guy with the guts to call for the changes we need. all of the others are choosing to stay on the same path of destruction we’ve been on since 1980.
Doggone/GA
December 11th, 2011
10:22 pm
“Metaphors are totally lost on some people, particularly those lacking in the basic literary knowledge of our culture. Bless their hearts”
Amen to that! Coupled with not being able to see what is the REAL subject of the piece. For those still wondering: it’s NOT about Newt Gingrich
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
10:28 pm
getalife,
Pretty much. Please don’t worry.
Thulsa Doom
December 11th, 2011
10:30 pm
Obama do loves himself some perty speeches and his teleprompter. His absolutely abysmal economic record? Not so much. The exploding debt under his watch? I would say that he don’t like that so much either except for the fact that the moron simply doesn’t seem to give a damn how much debt he heaps upon our children and grandchildren. What a disgusting man. Makes you wonder how the man can saddle future generations with such debt and have no shame in doing so. That’s what ya get though when you elect a community organizer with exactly ZERO executive experience and put him in charge of the largest budget in the world.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
10:30 pm
Matti,
I had congestive heart failure, aortic valve replacement surgery and clogged arteries so I have some experience on heart problems.
Batman
December 11th, 2011
10:44 pm
Jm, Thulsa
I have to know. What’s the draw that brings you here? Everyone else has left. Bookman either banned them or they just got tired of walking on egg shells while being attacked by the half wits that live on this blog.
You can’t expect fairness. You certainly can’t expect intelligent debate. If these people were smart enough to understand your posts, they would have been challenging what you say instead of these incessant adolescent personal attacks.
Look at tonight. You are gained up on, called names, exposed to the dumbest people on the blog trying to claim that you don’t understand metaphors. Its pathetic. You are like the kids that are so desperate for friends that they will do anything just as long as they can stay and play with people who don’t even like them.
There’s much better blogs guys. Hell, there’s even blogs where the moderator doesn’t allow little liberal twits to attack at will.
Go where you are wanted and you are definitely not wanted here.
Bubba
December 11th, 2011
10:47 pm
Those of us who have watched the Rise of the Newt over the past 35 years know in our hearts that Newt is in fact nuts. See http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2011/12/is_newt_gingrich_nuts_consider_the_symptoms_.html .
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
10:49 pm
getalife,
Wow! Glad you battled through that! Modern medical technology is amazing. I have several (male) friends who survived such issues thanks to modern medicine. That being said, I *bleeping* HATE doctors, and don’t want them to touch me. I’m actually quite fit and healthy by nearly every measurable standard and most lifestyle choices. Excellent diet, regular exercise. But it’s also not uncommon for fit healthy people to drop dead while their less-fit, vice-indulgent, sugar-holic friends stand by and go, “Dang! No one saw that coming!” Que sera sera, I guess.
230gr Full Metal Jacket
December 11th, 2011
11:00 pm
“You can’t trust politicians who vote themselves raises on a yearly basis, allow themselves to insider trading, vote themselves out of social security and gave themselves retirement after 8 years of “service”, spend like crazy giving friends free federal dollars. That is the mantra of both the Republican and Democrat party. I get it that the republicans are hypocrites. What I don’t get is that the Democrats are just as guilty and they get a free pass by their supporters.”
Martin, thank you sir. That is the ONLY intelligent thought I have read on this entire blog — INCLUDING the socio-leftist drivel in the original piece.
No offense Jay, but this is without a doubt one of the worst pieces you have ever written, imho (and I generally DO like your work). Could you place yourself any deeper in the kool-aid bowl??? BOTH parties absolutely suck. Period. Unfortunately, this election — like the previous one — will come down to 2 thoroughly unqualified choices to choose from, so we are stuck with choosing the lesser of two evils. As much as I detest Newt Gingrich I would have to vote for him over 4 more years of the current administration (which has been an abject failure on ALL accounts. NOTHING positive has come out the Village Idiot being elected — all it has done is financially sink us even further and cause an even more drastic polarization of the voters than has EVER existed in this country, which is truly scary). I hate to say it, but I think ANYONE the GOP runs will defeat Obama — for precisely the same reason that he got elected in the first place. Obama would have never even been a contender if it wasn’t for Bush’s lack of honesty and basic common sense. Now, we have the exact same situation AGAIN except the roles are reversed. The majority of the country will vote for anyone but Obama, just as last time people would have voted for anyone but Bush. The two parties have put the entire political landscape into an ever-increasing spin-cycle, where no one really wins anymore except the politicians, who continue to increase their power and wealth while the average American’s standard of living steadily declines.
If THAT isn’t the recipe for a revolution, then I don’t know what is. And THAT thought truly scares the hell out of me, because I fear we are closer to that point than most of the population, regardless of party affiliation if any, realizes. May God help us if that ever happens again.
getalife
December 11th, 2011
11:03 pm
Matti,
That is just half of my health issues. Your body will tell you when there is a problem and if you have constant chest pain that never goes away, your body is telling you there is a problem.
Matti's Compassion
December 11th, 2011
11:24 pm
Full Metal Jacket,
I agree with you about the Democrats being complicit on a wide scale, with many of them participating in the corruption without compunction. I also agree with you on the revolutionary winds blowing across us now. Americans are proud individualists, even when we’re dependent on others. The masses will not continue to get scrooo’d and scrooo’d and simply sit back and accept it. No other nation of people stands up and calls “B.S.!” the way we do.
That being said, Newt is not just complicit, he aggressively promotes a system which rewards corruption and perpetuates the decline of our collective quality of life. I could never vote for such a reptile.
Business Man
December 11th, 2011
11:55 pm
We have had Washington outsiders in the White House for the past twenty years and our country is in the crapper. Newt is an insider and he should embrace it, I want someone who can get things done inside the beltway.
rooster
December 12th, 2011
12:45 am
Hey, knock of the personal attacks on columnists. It’s fine to disagree. I disagree with Jay Bookman more often than not on national politics. But to call a person ‘pointless’ is pretty arrogant. If Bookman were ‘pointless,’ there wouldn’t be dozens of comments on this blog.
One of the best pieces on a major local issue I’ve seen was an interview Bookman did with a hydrologist at Auburn University about the relationship of Atlanta to the Chattahoochee. Turns out the metro area probably has a net positive effect on the river dowstream. (Jay, you should re-post this piece.) It was particularly interesting that the expert was from Auburn, which of course is in the lower Chattahoochee Valley. The whole thing was just as non-partisan as the day is long – a smart and effective advocacy of the interest of the entire metropolitan community. Not the work of a ‘pointless’ person.
USinUK
December 12th, 2011
4:30 am
“I want someone who can get things done inside the beltway.”
ah, but things ARE getting done inside the beltway … they’re just not to your benefit (and if you continue to vote GOP, they’ll continue that way)
Granny Godzilla
December 12th, 2011
7:16 am
That would be “Fraankensteens” monster with the brain from “A.B. Normal” right?
Roll, roll, roll in the hay…..
Bill Orvis White
December 12th, 2011
7:23 am
Speaker Gingrich balanced the budget and kept Bubba Clinton in line. If not for Speaker Gingrich, we would be in even worse shape. However, we would have been in better shape, if the liberal media didn’t chase Speaker Gingrich out of Washington. If he would have rightfully stayed in his position as the best leader of the rightful GOP Congress, we might not have had to experience both the Clinton and Hussein Obama recessions.
Amen,
Bill
Granny Godzilla
December 12th, 2011
7:33 am
Bill Orvis White
Newt – Largest ethics fine in hisotry of the House, run our of town by the his fellow Republicans, anybody who ever worked with him is calling
in unstable….
From Politifact:
To summarize, Gingrich was off on both claims concerning the budget. The budget was indeed balanced for four years, but it’s a stretch for him to take credit for more than two of those years.
As for paying off $405 billion in debt, the data we found shows the debt actually increased during Gingrich’s four-year tenure as speaker by more than $800 billion.
So he lies too.
But you have your fake Jesus….what do you need truth for.
Mick
December 12th, 2011
7:41 am
bill
Gingrich is a pure hypocrite, going after clinton while carrying on an adulteress affair himself. There is nothing righteous about the newter or the republican party. Mitch mcconnell is the new/old jerk on the block. Hopefully, the republicans will be refuted en masse at the ballot box next year…
stands for decibels
December 12th, 2011
7:55 am
mornin’.
Hopefully, the republicans will be refuted en masse at the ballot box next year…
Doesn’t it stab you in the heart, as it does ours throughout the heartland? Peaceful Christians, pls refudiate.
Normal
December 12th, 2011
7:57 am
Bill Orvis White…
Newt = plastic Jesus…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F-5kpyD4cE
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 12th, 2011
8:04 am
Gingrich has a history of getting things done inside HIS beltway
Jm
December 12th, 2011
8:05 am
Bill Orvis
I’m glad newt pushed for a balanced budget
But I think it would have happened anyway under people like Clinton hire and fiscally conservative democrat erskine Bowles
Jm
December 12th, 2011
8:07 am
Batman
I don’t go somewhere to talk to myself
That said, there probably are blogs with a more thoughtful dialogue out there
Paul
December 12th, 2011
8:12 am
“Speaker Gingrich balanced the budget and kept Bubba Clinton in line.. if the liberal media didn’t chase Speaker Gingrich out of Washington”
and here I always thought “It’s five o’clock somewhere meant five o’clock PM !
Adam
December 12th, 2011
8:12 am
Such nutty folks. Be careful what you wish for. If you want Newt as your nominee, well, let’s just say that I, as an Obama voter, wish for nothing more than for Newt to get the nomination. Obama will wipe the floor with him.
No teleprompters exist at the debates. And if Newt is saying he would allow one, what he’s really saying is he would allow himself to read from a scripted debate rather than have an actual debate, which is something only a WEAK candidate would do.
Newt has an egomaniacal tick and he won’t be able to help himself from self destructing in front of millions of people. There will be no stopping him from alienating everyone but the party faithful, of which I am sure a lot of you are.
Now go back to RedState and request some money for your trolling. I am not sure you’ll get it though since you have failed their training courses and outed yourselves as far right.
zeke
December 12th, 2011
8:14 am
batman, please return to the batcave
AmVet - If you're a Republican, please punch yourself in the face.
December 12th, 2011
8:21 am
Nice BI tune, Normal; I’d never heard that one before. His sound has matured…
Newt’s ascendency to the top of the pile is living proof that this slate of condidates is truly horrible.
That he has done so twice is living proof that the “base” is desperately insane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjrgZPhuL9o
Paul
December 12th, 2011
8:25 am
Regarding the last Republican debate: I’ve read many more hard-hitting challenges on this blog than anything I heard lobbed at Newt. That’s the best they can do? I thought, given so many examples of lack of ethics, character, stability, leadership, humility and effectiveness taht could be leveled against Leroy, that they would construct their charges so any response would be weak. But they left large enough holes to slither right through.
Paul
December 12th, 2011
8:27 am
AmVet
“Newt’s ascendency to the top of the pile is living proof that this slate of voters is truly horrible.”
That, too -
Adam
December 12th, 2011
8:36 am
Where’s the sheets!
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 12th, 2011
8:41 am
Don’t say sheets and Gingrich in the same sentence
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 12th, 2011
8:42 am
Batman: What’s the draw that brings you here? Everyone else has left. Bookman either banned them or they just got tired of walking on egg shells while being attacked by the half wits that live on this blog. … There’s much better blogs guys. Hell, there’s even blogs where the moderator doesn’t allow little liberal twits to attack at will.
What’s even funnier is the extent of effort by some banned posters to find different ways to post and to return over and over again.
Someone just seems unable to quit us (after being banned)! 
Jay
December 12th, 2011
8:45 am
Newt-free sheets
Misty Fyed
December 12th, 2011
8:51 am
If Newt were to start lying in a debate, Obama would have no idea. Even if he did, he would have no ability to effectively address it. He just has to hope Newt doesn’t start uncovering his lies. That is the root of the animosity for Newt on this Blog. The fact that he has enough uncouth to fight back and the intelligence not to be snookered.
Ross Perot
December 12th, 2011
12:20 pm
At least Newt can make decisions! See morning after pill…
Pat
December 13th, 2011
9:33 am
I understand what you’re saying here Jay. But enlighten me … just who, pray tell, is this last remnant of the establishment GOP who wants Romney? Are you saying – well, heck yes, you’re saying – there are still a few who live in a science-based reality that understands climate change? Or basic economics? Or who understand, oblivious to the bleatings of the talk radio circuit, that individual mandates are a necessary part of fixing healthcare (i.e., “Romneycare?”)
What is this vestige of moral conscience, or “patriotism” you speak of? You seem to believe that somewhere behind the scenes, exists a platoon of “Gerald Fords” – basically decent, albeit unimaginative guys, loyal and proactive in the service of the upper class to which they belong, but with some left-over sense of noblesse oblige and responsibility towards the lower and middle classes, the principles of science and logic, and the duty to fund government responsibly through both tax increases and spending cuts as needed. My question: You claim these folks exist. Well, who are they? I don’t see them anywhere in evidence.
My feeling is the “Romney Remnant” is a group of people with IQs too high to allow them to accept joke candidates like Cain, Palin, Bachmann, shrug off Paul and Huntsman as sideshows, but who just don’t like Mr. Nasty Newt, his temper, ego and baggage. And who can blame them? Romney can sound “presidential”, he tends not to explode or have tantrums, and he has Reaganesque hair. I find it difficult to believe their support of him goes deeper than that.
Just my take.
SMCOOK
December 13th, 2011
7:57 pm
Please call me Lizant #1. Newt will not do. His attittude toward the Palestineans is to the right of Ariel Sharon