GOP still balks at tax cut for working, middle class

Every economist that I have seen quoted on the payroll-tax question has concluded that if the tax cut is not extended, it will reduce economic growth next year and cost hundreds of thousands if not millions of jobs.

A new poll by United Technologies/National Journal reports that an overwhelming number of Americans also support the tax-cut extension. According to the results, 58 percent of Americans support extending the cut another year, while 32 percent oppose its extension. As the National Journal concludes:

Support for extending the payroll-tax cut—despite concerns about the budget deficit—is broad and bipartisan. Democrats favor an extension, 68 percent to 25 percent. Half of Republicans think Congress should extend the payroll-tax reduction, while 39 percent think they should not. Among independents, 57 percent favor an extension, while a third do not.

And yet congressional Republicans are balking, having finally found a tax they do not want to cut. Apparently, tax cuts that would primarily benefit the working and middle classes are somehow different.

In the Senate, a majority of Republicans voted against their own party’s tax-cut plan last week, which would have been funded in part by cuts to food stamps and unemployment benefits. In the House, the Republican caucus is also rebelling. After a private caucus meeting, Rep. Jeff Flake of Arizona told Bloomberg that “many Republican lawmakers during the caucus meeting cautioned Boehner against pushing a proposal to the House floor. ‘Most of the people standing up were troubled with moving ahead on this,’ Flake told reporters.”

The Hill reports likewise, concluding that Boehner “is trying to rally support for a payroll tax extension that is paid for. But many in his House GOP conference doesn’t want to extend the tax cut into 2013, paid for or not.” The rejection by Senate Republicans is “a very ominous sign for Boehner, who is expected to release his legislative tax holiday plan this week. The speaker knows he will have to sweeten the pot if he is to woo conservative votes, especially in the wake of a contentious meeting of House Republicans last week.”

President Obama, recognizing political opportunity when he sees it, hasn’t been coy about pointing out the hypocrisy. Visitors to the White House website, for example, are greeted by a clock clicking off the deadline to act:

deadline

He is also ratcheting up the rhetoric:

“Now, I know many Republicans have sworn an oath never to raise taxes as long as they live. How can it be that the only time there’s a catch is when it comes to raising taxes on middle class families? How can you fight tooth and nail to protect high-end tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and yet barely lift a finger to prevent taxes going up for 160 million Americans who really need the help? It doesn’t make sense.

“Now, the good news is I think the American people’s voices are starting to get through in this time. I know that last week Speaker Boehner said this tax cut helps the economy because it allows every working American to keep more of their money. I know that over the weekend Senate Republican leaders said we shouldn’t raise taxing on working people going into next year. I couldn’t agree more, and I hope that the rest of their Republican colleagues come around and join Democrats to pass these tax cuts and put money back into the pockets of working Americans.

“Now, some Republicans who have pushed back against the idea of extending this payroll tax cut have said, ‘We’ve got to pay for these tax cuts.’ I’d just point out that they haven’t always felt that way. Over the last decade they didn’t feel the need to pay for massive tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, which is one of the reasons we face such large deficits.

“Indeed, when the Republicans took over the House at the beginning of this year, they explicitly changed the rules to say that tax cuts don’t have to be paid for. So forgive me a little bit of confusion when I hear folks insisting on tax cuts being paid for.”

It should be stressed that this is just a temporary tax cut, designed to help get us through a tough time. It is not a permanent tax cut that would permanently reduce government revenue, and thus increase the deficit and debt. To many Americans, that’s a good thing, but its temporary nature is one of the main Republican complaints about it.

As conservative icon Milton Friedman explained back in 2003, the conservatives’ real interest in tax cuts is not economic; it is to deprive government of revenue needed to support programs such as Medicare and Social Security. Therefore, “Permanent tax cuts are much to be preferred to temporary cuts” because “they are a stronger restraint on spending and do not need to be repeated.”

– Jay Bookman

248 comments Add your comment

Mick

December 6th, 2011
8:07 am

What middle class person in their right mind would ever vote republican? It really is a case of voting against your own interest…

Fly-on-the-Wall

December 6th, 2011
8:10 am

Mick, I totally agree with you. I’ll never understand why this keeps happening but it does.

One note on the gun/ammo article yesterday – don’t these gun nuts realize that the Arab spring in most countries there happened WITHOUT an armed citizenry?

Peadawg

December 6th, 2011
8:12 am

If you want to extend them, that’s fine. Make cuts elsewhere to pay for them. We need to stop with all the straight-up tax cuts….temporary or not.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2011
8:12 am

I am sure that this tax cut is “different” than other tax cuts and that somehow it is “consistent” with the “logic” of Grover.

And yet the conned still fail to see the light.

Jm

December 6th, 2011
8:13 am

Not true.

Republicans proposed an extension offset by spending cuts. It didn’t pass the spendthrift democrat senate. But they tried.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

December 6th, 2011
8:15 am

I listened to Obama’s statement yesterday, and I think he’s about to paint the GOP into a corner using their own rhetoric against them. I’m just waiting to see how this all plays out. Of course, the usual bandwagon passengers have already made up their minds who’s wrong and who’s right. Only time will tell which way those who actually think for themselves will lean on this plan.

Jm

December 6th, 2011
8:16 am

This repeated purveying of falsehoods by Jay can only mean he is intentionally deceiving his readers

Sad

Divide and Conquer

December 6th, 2011
8:16 am

I love it when people use the word permanent. Nothing we (as humans) can do, is permanent. Every rule, law, regulation, tax, and fee can be repealed (or increased) by the next regime.

The sad part is that I did not know I had received a tax break, until I heard about it expiring.

Jim163

December 6th, 2011
8:16 am

“Apparently, tax cuts that would primarily benefit the working and middle classes are somehow different.”

Here we go with that working class crap again. Seems to me everyone that works today is in the working class.

Paul

December 6th, 2011
8:17 am

Key question: “How can you fight tooth and nail to protect high-end tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and yet barely lift a finger to prevent taxes going up for 160 million Americans who really need the help? It doesn’t make sense.”

Only possible answer I see is “because 160 million Americans are not job creators, that’s why!!!”

Jm

“Republicans proposed an extension offset by spending cuts.”

Do you happen to know which subset was directly affected by those offsets?

The very wealthiest?

Corporations?

Upper middle class?

Working poor/poor?

Peadawg

December 6th, 2011
8:17 am

JM, a.k.a. “dumb f*k” – “It didn’t pass the spendthrift democrat senate.”

“In the Senate, a majority of Republicans voted against their own party’s tax-cut plan last week, which would have been funded in part by cuts to food stamps and unemployment benefits.”

Read, dude. Seriously.

Paul

December 6th, 2011
8:21 am

Jim163

“Here we go with that working class crap again. Seems to me everyone that works today is in the working class.”

That’s like saying all housing is affordable because someone, somewhere can afford $50,000,000 for a home.

“Working class” refers to those who work for wages. It further had its roots in manual labor generally is comprised by those at the lower end of the income spectrum.

Paul

December 6th, 2011
8:23 am

Peadawg

You may want to rein it in. TruthBe was banned last night for a nearly identical salutation.

Ross Perot

December 6th, 2011
8:23 am

Lets kick fiscal restraint can down the road again and keep spending like drunken sailors. He!! it’s working great in Europe.

bill arp

December 6th, 2011
8:23 am

So not true. GOP said we’ll cut over here as soon as you stop spending over there. Dem’s, like always, said no. Once again, the Dems fail to compromise.

Why would any middle class person vote Democrat? Unless you want to take the chance your employer has to make drastic cuts. It really is a case of voting against your own interests.

I just don’t see many middle class people doing any hiring.

Jm

December 6th, 2011
8:23 am

Jay is just another purveyor of sweeping and grandiose hyperbole that undermines the national political dialogue and is helping ruin this great country

Joe Hussein Mama

December 6th, 2011
8:23 am

Jm — “Republicans proposed an extension offset by spending cuts. It didn’t pass the spendthrift democrat senate.”

Translation: The GOP offered a package of cuts they wanted in order to offset tax cuts they wanted.

Further Translation: ‘We offered you some of our s**t sandwich, and you wouldn’t even take a single bite.’

Joe Hussein Mama

December 6th, 2011
8:24 am

Paul — “TruthBe was banned last night”

Well, there’s some good news today.

Peadawg

December 6th, 2011
8:25 am

“You may want to rein it in. TruthBe was banned last night for a nearly identical salutation.”

I called Jm the same thing yesterday morning and Jay didn’t say a word. Most everyone agreed w/ me yesterday…Jay’s probably included in that. I think that should be Jm’s new nickname.

Jay

December 6th, 2011
8:25 am

“So not true. GOP said we’ll cut over here as soon as you stop spending over there. Dem’s, like always, said no. Once again, the Dems fail to compromise.

Again, Bill Arp: A majority of Senate Republicans voted against their party’s own plan. You can perhaps dismiss their vote against the Democratic plan as a partisan dispute. But their vote against their own plan makes their position crystal clear.

Jim163

December 6th, 2011
8:27 am

Paul, So unless you are digging a ditch you are not really working? That is a bunch of bull. I would also tell you that my father definitely considers himself a working class UAW retiree who made over $100k a year, his last 7 years of employment.

Jay

December 6th, 2011
8:27 am

Agree with you or not, Peadawg, I do think you need to rein that in.

Paul

December 6th, 2011
8:28 am

Peadawg

You’re welcome.

Jm

8:17?

Wes

December 6th, 2011
8:29 am

Jay,

Kyle did the same thing from a slightly different perspective. Would you like to address his comments?

http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2011/12/06/payroll-taxes-is-anyone-actually-listening-to-obama/?cp=1#comment-83339

carlosgvv

December 6th, 2011
8:29 am

Obama says the Republican actions make no sense. Actually, they make perfect sense. When the wealthy fund your election and re-election campaigns, you will do everything possible to protect them financially. What makes no sense is why so many middle-class and poor voters still support those who openly demonstrate the utter contempt they have for all but the rich.

Jm

December 6th, 2011
8:30 am

Paul 8:17
I don’t recall where the spending cuts were allocated. I’ll also say that some within the GOP can be legitimately criticized from Jay’s view. But he’s pretty much tarring the whole GOP.

The fact is Democrats either want to not pay for the cuts at all or with a tax increase on the wealthy. The Republicans have a difficult choice. They are trying to do the unpopular thing by cutting spending. But from Jay they only get criticism.

But that won’t change. Jay vacillates between praise and vilification for chambliss. Jay is about as steady as Gingrich.

Peadawg

December 6th, 2011
8:30 am

“Agree with you or not, Peadawg, I do think you need to rein that in.”

How about just d.f. for short?? :)

St Simons - we're on Island time

December 6th, 2011
8:30 am

amen Pea, that guy’s cred just took a killer hit w/me.

The ONE way right now that Congress could inject increased demand into the economy is with this payroll tax break. It will absolutely curb demand, and it will curb demand if you fund it with social safety net cuts, because that’s just a slight of hand trick.

“They don’t want to do anything before 2013″ That says it all right there.
Treasonous, this breed of con is…

TaxPayer

December 6th, 2011
8:31 am

Why do Republicans hate the working class. Is the image in their mirror that scary.

Paul

December 6th, 2011
8:31 am

Jim163

Conversations are interesting when people are unaware of common definitions, or if they are, feel free to make up their own.

Sometimes it’s the only way they can support their position.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2011
8:31 am

Agree with you or not, Peadawg, I do think you need to rein that in.

Well there you have it. Documented evidence that Pea is a liberul! I mean we know Jay “only bans” cons (well at least in the whiny world of the victimized cons). :lol: Welcome Pea! We will expect you at the next meeting and we will be taking away your guns, giving you free checks that you don’t have to work for, and a number of other silly things that the righties accuse liberals of daily. ;)

larry

December 6th, 2011
8:33 am

I just don’t see many middle class people doing any hiring.

Hey i hired a landscape company to clean up my yard. And the last time i looked at my pay check , i consider myself middle class.

Jm

December 6th, 2011
8:34 am

Joe mama 8:23

You’re right. Spending cuts are never popular

Paul

December 6th, 2011
8:34 am

Jm

“The Republicans have a difficult choice. They are trying to do the unpopular thing by cutting spending”

Doesn’t seem much of a choice. As has been demonstrated repeatedly on this blog, no Republican has ever advanced a specific plan to eliminate the deficit within a reasonable time frame through spending cuts alone.

Even in response to “So we’re borrowing 40 cents for every dollar we spend? Okay, here are all the categories of federal spending. What do you eliminate to equal 40 percent?”

Vinny

December 6th, 2011
8:35 am

Why didn’t Obama and the libs make the tax cut permanent when they wrote the bill? Answer: Because they wanted to use it as a political football for 2012.

This is nothing but typical liberal politics at its worst.

Peadawg

December 6th, 2011
8:37 am

“The Republicans have a difficult choice. They are trying to do the unpopular thing by cutting spending”

I’d say that’s a pretty popular thing right now…not sure why you said it isn’t. Not sure why they voted against it either……

Ross Perot

December 6th, 2011
8:38 am

What makes no sense is why so many middle-class and poor voters still support those who openly demonstrate the utter contempt they have for all but the rich.
Because we need to keep our jobs. Government does not create sustainable jobs in the private sector. Another half a trillion in stimulus is going to do what for how long? Keep cramming hikes on the job producers isn’t going to help the economy either. I currently get my healtcare for about 120 a month. How much will my employer have to subsidize my plan under Barrycare to keep my payments the same? At what point will you look at the government and say enough is enough, you have enough taxpayer money to sustain infrastructure, entitlements and military? Why do you libs want to give them an open checkbook? They are completely irresponsible, and only care about getting re-elected. Tell our campaigner in chief to get something done besides place blame and spend money!

USinUK

December 6th, 2011
8:39 am

“What makes no sense is why so many middle-class and poor voters still support those who openly demonstrate the utter contempt they have for all but the rich.”

like gay republicans

don’t understand that one, either …

Jm

December 6th, 2011
8:41 am

Paul
I agree it is difficult to get it done with spending cuts alone and I’ve conceded taxes need to be increased. In particular insight of the fact that congress isn’t willing to cut spending.

That said, cutting spending helps the deficit. The democrats would prefer to just increase the deficit.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 6th, 2011
8:42 am

Well, if payroll taxes go up Obama will get the blame. So don’t continue the payroll tax cut. We need this guy out of office. Besides, ever hear of Trickle Down? Working people don’t Trickle Down. They Trickle Up. Me, I can’t hardly wait till workers get their first paycheck next month and see how much smaller it is. They’ll be cussing Obama up and down. Old Newt will be President for sure.

Have a good Tuesday everybody.

Paul

December 6th, 2011
8:42 am

Ross Perot

“Government does not create sustainable jobs in the private sector.”

[Lockheed has 6,100 people working directly on the F-35 program in Fort Worth, about 3,000 of them production workers and the rest in development or other support activities. Without increased production, employment at the plant won't grow and may decrease as development and engineering work begins to wind down.]

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/12/05/3572997/lockheed-shares-more-costs-in.html

If your first thought is “building a single fighter is not sustainable” I’d ask, just how long has Lockheed been around, largely dependent on government spending?

independent thinker

December 6th, 2011
8:42 am

See how Kyle has twisted himself up in a pretzel trying hard not to side completely with Obama on this one. Checkmate called by Obama on Norquist and the party of no.

larry

December 6th, 2011
8:43 am

While i agree that taxes for the middle class need to be cut, i disagree that these cuts should be taken out of Social Security. I believe if you want to cut taxes , it should be out of gross pay. The President should have cut taxes like he cut taxes in the stimulus plan.

Paul

December 6th, 2011
8:43 am

Jm 8:41

Thanks.

finn mccool

December 6th, 2011
8:44 am

Difficult to get Republicans to learn to walk upright again after so many years of bending over to the wealthiest in the country.

Class Warrior - a.k.a. regular working schmuck

December 6th, 2011
8:44 am

…he conservatives’ real interest in tax cuts is not economic; it is to deprive government of revenue needed to support programs such as Medicare and Social Security.

Wild understatement from Friedman. Republicans are want to cut taxes to insure their victory in their war on the middle class and poor.

Jm

December 6th, 2011
8:44 am

“the democrats would prefer to increase the deficit”

In fairness, I shouldn’t make the same generalizations jay is. Ben Nelson and other conservative democrats have concerns about increasing the deficit. There are some very good democrats out there. My main problem is with Reid and Obama who I think abdicate leadership on the critical issue of the deficit.

Peadawg

December 6th, 2011
8:45 am

“Trickle Down?”

Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTpKOFte6JE

How do you wrap a link around words on here btw? I know Kam does his HAHAHAHAHAHA think linking to a Calvin and Hobbs comic.

St Simons - we're on Island time

December 6th, 2011
8:45 am

Its one thing to make this mess and walk away.
It’s one thing to sit around & do nothing to help the Recovery.

It’s quite another to deliberately sabotage the Recovery.

That does it. It’s On. Deliberate sabotage of a govt is treason.
I’ll put my Stamp on that.

Jm

December 6th, 2011
8:46 am

Typos galore. Oh well.

Peadawg

December 6th, 2011
8:47 am

“i disagree that these cuts should be taken out of Social Security.” – Hell I wish we could opt out of Social Security. Being 26 right now I’m highly doubtful it will be around when I retire.

Blue Teletubbie

December 6th, 2011
8:48 am

Jm’s daily attack-the-messanger weak-brained drivel is topped only by his inane comments like: Republicans proposed an extension offset by spending cuts. It didn’t pass the spendthrift democrat senate. (who just happens to have a majority republicans).

Duh. FAIL. try again, buffoon.

USinUK

December 6th, 2011
8:49 am

“Typos galore. Oh well.”

have some coffee – it’s still early

larry

December 6th, 2011
8:50 am

I used to say the same thing Pea, 20 years ago. Now, i think it will still be around.

Peter

December 6th, 2011
8:51 am

Jm prove to us that Democrats would just want to increase spending please.

You really are just a babbling person are you not ?

Scooter

December 6th, 2011
8:51 am

Democrats provide for the masses request to be cared for, which is large part of our nations fiscal problems, and they call it leadership.

Perhaps, Republicrats don’t want to reduce payroll taxes because many program they fund are already unsustainable and teetering on insolvency. But hey, if the masses want something and it is politically expedient for democrat “leaders”, they will leave a trail of gifts that will lead the masses straight off the financial cliff.

finn mccool

December 6th, 2011
8:52 am

You don’t worry about deficits when the economy is in the tank, you worry about deficits when the economy is doing well. This is due to the likelihood that dollars will be pulled out of profitable private sector industries when they are humming along and used to pay down debt.

We’ll take care of the debt once we get this puppy humming again.

finn mccool

December 6th, 2011
8:53 am

jm knows he/she is wrong. Otherwise he/she wouldn’t spend their entire day in this blog.

JohnnyReb

December 6th, 2011
8:53 am

Combine the 47% of wage earners not paying any Federal Income tax with a group of those who do pay but want to pay less and the poll results are not surprising.

Obama is winning the propaganda war on this one. His argument is pathetic but appealing to the less informed.

If Republicans hold their ground, it will go into the no good deed goes unpunished category.

Jm

December 6th, 2011
8:53 am

Peadawg 8:37

Polls show it is much more popular to increase taxes on the rich than it is to cut entitlements

I give some points to republicans for being willing to buck the polls some since if we governed by poll we’d be as dysfunctional as CA

Now, one (not the main ImO) reason R’s r willing to buck the polls is that rich people write a lot of their campaign checks

But so what? I don’t care entirely why they do it. We do need to cut spending.

The best criticisms against republicans in my book are corporate subsidies which are unjustifiable and tax loopholes. Problem is Democrats just want to close them and raise spending, while Republicans would offset closing loopholes with lower marginal rates overall.

Long long discussion and minds won’t be changed here……

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2011
8:54 am

Seems Boehner’s open hostility towards middle class tax cuts calling them “chicken sh*t” is just more evidence of the class warfare being waged by the Republicans.

USinUK

December 6th, 2011
8:55 am

Keep up – 8:54 – noooooo! say it isn’t so, joe!

JKL2

December 6th, 2011
8:56 am

carlosgvv- When the wealthy fund your election and re-election campaigns, you will do everything possible to protect them financially.

George Soros and Goldman-Sachs say “What?”

MoveOn.org, nothing to see here…

Mick

December 6th, 2011
8:56 am

peadawg re: social security

It’ll be there, especially if you demand it! Plus most of us boomers will be extinct by the time it’s your turn…

USinUK

December 6th, 2011
8:56 am

The Bloomberg National Poll out today contains a note of caution for Republican presidential candidates (and their colleagues in Congress) who vow to oppose any tax increase, under any circumstances: Many Americans doubt they can keep their promise and a slim majority doesn’t even want them to.

When asked how the congressional supercommittee should fulfill its mandate to slice $1.5 trillion from the national debt, 51 percent of respondents say it should focus more on raising taxes for those earning above $250,000, while 35 percent say the emphasis should be on cutting entitlement programs such as Medicare.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-14/higher-taxes-trump-entitlement-cuts-in-poll-the-ticker.html

so, yeah, GOP … you keep holding the line …

JohnnyReb

December 6th, 2011
8:57 am

BTW, please tell me how the desire is any different between a middle class worker and one in the hated 1%? Both want to keep as much of their earned money as possible. Somehow, the Left thinks its OK to take from the 1% just because he has more of it. Oh, you bleeding hearts! If we didn’t love you, there would be a bounty.

USinUK

December 6th, 2011
8:57 am

yay!!! George Soros!!!

heehee … haven’t seen his spectre raised here in DAYS … thanks JKL!

Joe Hussein Mama

December 6th, 2011
8:57 am

Vinny — “Why didn’t Obama and the libs make the tax cut permanent when they wrote the bill? Answer: Because they wanted to use it as a political football for 2012.”

Well, look who JUST caught on. (laughing) :D

Ross Perot

December 6th, 2011
8:58 am

Not sure that the rioting in this country that will ensue when entitlements have to be cut will be as civil as Greece, not with all of the weapons in this country.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2011
8:58 am

USinUK, I know. Hard to believe that the Republicans are not in favor of the middle class isn’t it.

USinUK

December 6th, 2011
8:59 am

“Somehow, the Left thinks its OK to take from the 1% just because he has more of it. ”

you people who claim to hate wealth redistribution seem to have NO problem with it when it’s redistributed upwards …

it just boggles the mind …

USinUK

December 6th, 2011
9:00 am

Keep up – “Hard to believe that the Republicans are not in favor of the middle class isn’t it.”

they play to the “soccer moms” but they’re against them at every turn … and still the middle class believes their BS …

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2011
9:00 am

Joining the list of those in financial positions of power that are calling for higher taxes on the rich is Morgan Stanley Chief Financial Officer Ruth Porat who, as the Huffington Post’s Bonnie Kavoussi reported, said over the weekend that it’s “inappropriate” that income inequality in the country is continuing to grow while taxes on the rich stay low:

“The wealthiest can afford to pay more in taxes. That’s a part of the deal. That makes sense. I don’t know anyone that doesn’t agree with that,” Porat said. “The wealth disparity between the lowest and the highest continues to expand, and that’s inappropriate.” “We cannot cut our way to greatness,” she added.

Paul

December 6th, 2011
9:00 am

JohnnyReb

“Combine the 47% of wage earners not paying any Federal Income tax ”

Sigh. Deja vu all over again.

Is your point 47% of wage earners contribute none of their income to supporting the operations and programs of the US government?

JKL2

December 6th, 2011
9:00 am

Peadawg- Hell I wish we could opt out of Social Security. Being 26 right now I’m highly doubtful it will be around when I retire.

I’d be careful saying stuff like that. OWS is probably on their way to your house as we speak.

Remember Bush proposing letting people keep 4% to double their payments at retirement? It was Demwit anarchy. The sky was falling…

Joe Hussein Mama

December 6th, 2011
9:01 am

B. Teletubbie — “Jm’s daily attack-the-messanger weak-brained drivel is topped only by his inane comments like: Republicans proposed an extension offset by spending cuts. It didn’t pass the spendthrift democrat senate. (who just happens to have a majority republicans).”

This is pretty much why I don’t respond to Jm any longer, even when he addresses me directly.

I don’t see any imperative on my part to encourage or enable that sort of behavior on his part.

AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

December 6th, 2011
9:01 am

You members of the dysfunctional Republican Party should he mortified at the horrible quality of your presidential candidates. As a group they are even more embarrassing than that laughable slate in 2008.

Truly, a laughingstock.

You might as well just forgo the torturous (get it?) formalities and hand the White House over to Obama for four more years right now.

You have exactly one man in this race who is worthy of consideration for the highest office in the land, but you “Trumped” rubes have zero use for him. Why? Because you love politics as entertainment much more than you care about intelligent ideas, demonstrable decency and a proven resume of relevant experience and accomplishments that can work towards turning this country around from the disaster caused by the corporate destruction of capitalism and the associated white collar crime wave that makes the mafia look harmless

Yet, amazingly in our post George “Worst Ever” world, the more stupid, and as often as not hateful, the message – see Newt, the Ricks, Michelle and Herman – the more it resonates with the Republican Bushbots.

Why you gravitate to the worst of the worst in your party, is beyond me.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t3#/video/politics/2011/12/05/snow-huntsman-talks-trump.cnn

Jimmy62

December 6th, 2011
9:03 am

Again and again and again, the Democrats refuse any real spending cuts and find a way to blame it all on the GOP. Until you get us some real spending cuts and show us you are serious, we’re not touching taxes. Agree to real cuts and we can mess with taxes some, raise them on earners, lower them on takers, at least a little bit.

But Democrats, who have raised spending every single chance they’ve had since WWII, won’t compromise and cut spending just this one time. That’s the real party of no.

JohnnyReb

December 6th, 2011
9:03 am

USinUK – there is a big diffference between earning something and having it given to you. The roots of this mess are on the Left and in the hearts of those who think playing ball without keeping score and giving a trophy to every child is the right thing to do.

Paul

December 6th, 2011
9:04 am

Keep Up

““The wealthiest can afford to pay more in taxes. That’s a part of the deal. That makes sense. I don’t know anyone that doesn’t agree with that,” Porat said. ”

I wonder what people are in the circle of those she knows?

Somehow, I don’t think Grover Norquist is part of the club.

George P. Burdell

December 6th, 2011
9:04 am

The biggest lie in this whole mess is that the tax cuts to the wealthies individuals from the last decade caused the huge deficits. The tax cuts were across the board for all Americans and you really have to stretch your definition of “wealthy” to put most of that deficit on them alone. The truth is that the middle class benefited enormously from the tax cuts and saw the biggest reduction in taxes paid.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2011
9:04 am

Ahhh… the 47% whine….

Owners of Zuccotti Park pay your taxes!

USinUK

December 6th, 2011
9:05 am

“But Democrats, who have raised spending every single chance they’ve had since WWII”

:lol:

really???

are you REALLY going to take that line after the last Republcian Congress????

Jimmy62

December 6th, 2011
9:06 am

AmVet: I realize that the GOP candidates aren’t the best people in the world. What’s really bad for the world is that you don’t realize the Democrat candidate is even worse!

Kamchak

December 6th, 2011
9:06 am

USinUK

Did you really link that video of the Snowbilly Snooki turkey debacle on your food blog?

That’s

just

soooooooooooo

wrong.

USinUK

December 6th, 2011
9:07 am

Johnny – “there is a big diffference between earning something and having it given to you. ”

and you think that the poor just want things handed to them???

hell, you think that the middle class just want things handed to them???

THEY’RE the people who have been working hard and seeing their efforts worth less and less over the last 30 years while the rich have been reaping all the rewards.

that’s nothing but sweaty, stinky bollocks and you’re welcome to it

JohnnyReb

December 6th, 2011
9:07 am

The Democratic party has publically writen-off white middle class voters, yet Moonbats on this thread have the nerve to post that Republicans are against the Middle Class. The lunacy is more than I can bare. It’s off to work for a while.

Road Scholar

December 6th, 2011
9:08 am

Paul: “Only possible answer I see is “because 160 million Americans are not job creators, that’s why!!!”

And I thought that all taxpayers and their families spent money and increased demand for goods and services, which creates jobs. Silly me!

Joe Hussein Mama

December 6th, 2011
9:08 am

Jimmy62 — “Again and again and again, the Democrats refuse any real spending cuts and find a way to blame it all on the GOP.”

Again and again, the GOP faithful ignore history and refuse to recognize spending cuts Democrats have *already* agreed to and continue to seek.

“Until you get us some real spending cuts and show us you are serious, we’re not touching taxes.”

Multiple rounds of spending cuts have already been agreed to. Involuntary spending cuts are about to happen BECAUSE the GOP refuses to get serious. If you don’t want to negotiate, fine. The automatic spending cuts will happen. And y’all can wear the blame for it. You had your chance.

“Agree to real cuts and we can mess with taxes some, raise them on earners, lower them on takers, at least a little bit.”

Real cuts have already been agreed to. And ‘realer’ cuts are about to happen, absent a bipartisan agreement.

“But Democrats, who have raised spending every single chance they’ve had since WWII, won’t compromise and cut spending just this one time. That’s the real party of no.”

Lies make baby Jesus cry.

Democrats have already agreed to cuts and are offering more. If you don’t want to work on a bipartisan solution, fine. We can just let the automatic cuts happen. See how they suit you.

USinUK

December 6th, 2011
9:08 am

Kam – heehee … yeah, I was a bit inspired this morning

btw – congrats to the boys in blue last weekend!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 6th, 2011
9:09 am

Paul, a good question. If she is correct, it may be a sign that Grover is limited to the Washington beltway and a few like the Koch Brothers and is not mainstream even with the 1%’ers.

kayaker 71

December 6th, 2011
9:09 am

Ross Perot,

There is estimated to be at least one gun for every US citizen in the population. That’s a lot of firepower. However, only 39% of Americans own a hand gun while over 60% own a “long gun”. Not sure about the evil 1% who have all of the wealth. But if I were them, I would stock up.

USinUK

December 6th, 2011
9:10 am

oh, and yes, Kam … it truly is the best cranberry sauce on the planet.

Zedd

December 6th, 2011
9:12 am

Every day, every day, every day you tow the line! Your ideology is so skewed and blind you couldn’t straighten it out with a carpenter’s square and a two by four between the eyes!

jconservative

December 6th, 2011
9:12 am

Republicans started cutting taxes and government revenue in 1981.

To date they have not done any cutting of spending.

Reagan tripled the national debt. George W. doubled the national debt.

Yet some continue to believe the fiction that Republicans are fiscally conservative.

detritusUSA

December 6th, 2011
9:12 am

Republicans and conservatives love to invest in China and make all that money. Their hybrid communist economy seems to be working, so why don’t we try that here? Just think, you could shrink our government to fit in a bathtub. No pesky regulations to impede your money making schemes, and you don’t have to be closet communists anymore.

Butch Cassidy

December 6th, 2011
9:12 am

JohnnyReb – “BTW, please tell me how the desire is any different between a middle class worker and one in the hated 1%? Both want to keep as much of their earned money as possible.”

Well okay. The difference is that when a “middle class worker” has to pony up an extra say $10,000 it severely undercuts his purchasing power which in turn decreases demand which in turn causes a reduction in profits to companies which leads to lay offs which leads to high unemployment.

The 1% can absorb the cost much more easily and won’t even notice it’s gone while they purchase the 4th house or the new helicopter pad for the yacht.

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2011
9:13 am

deprive government of revenue needed to support programs

“Support programs” being Conservaspeak for “Those People.”

stands for decibels

December 6th, 2011
9:13 am

However, only 39% of Americans own a hand gun while over 60% own a “long gun”.

Cite, please.

Kamchak

December 6th, 2011
9:15 am

USinUK — Thanks for the congrats. Used to be, defeating Newcastle was no biggie. Big test for Andre Villas-Boas today against Valencia in the UCL. If we don’t make it past the group stage, I think RA will be manager shopping soon despite the official party line.