Why Cain’s collapse fuels Gingrich’s rise

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"That's OK, Herman, I'll take things from here."

UPDATE: In a conference call with senior campaign staff this morning, Herman Cain reportedly said that he was reassessing his campaign. At least a few of those on the line took that to mean he was considering dropping out.

I think most of us can now agree that Herman Cain is finished as a candidate. The combination of a terrible campaign staff, a painfully ill-prepared candidate and multiple allegations of sexual misbehavior has reduced Cain from the flavor of the month to an object of pity and embarrassment.

The former talk-radio host may choose to remain in the race, but he is no longer relevant and will continue to leak support. It’s time to move on.

So what does that mean?

I’ve been scrolling through a series of recent polls, both national and state-level. In general, all of them report that Gingrich, Romney and to a lesser degree Cain occupy an upper tier. But the question of the day is what will happen to Cain supporters? Where will they go as his candidacy collapses?

All of the polls suggest that they will go largely to Gingrich and to Romney. For example, in a recent Pew poll of Republicans nationwide, 31 percent of Cain supporters said they would take Gingrich as their second choice. Another 31 percent chose Romney as their second choice. Nobody else was even close.

Those numbers tell us that as Cain’s support evaporates, the gap separating Romney and Gingrich at the top and the rest of the field is going to grow considerably larger. The distinction between the two frontrunners and the also-rans is hardening and will not change from here on out.

Furthermore, judging from a series of state-level polls — North Carolina, Maine and the critically important South Carolina, for example — Gingrich gets a large plurality of Cain’s second-choice voters, boosting him to frontrunner status over Romney. That’s certainly how things have played out in Iowa.

gopollsThe two most recent Insider Advantage and Rasmussen polls, each taken roughly a month apart, show Romney’s support staying flat. But as Cain’s support collapses, Gingrich’s support soars.

Yes, there’s a certain irony in Newt Gingrich reaping the benefits of another candidate’s adultery-fueled collapse. But irony is the ocean in which we swim these days.

– Jay Bookman

359 comments Add your comment

Lord Help Us

November 29th, 2011
11:12 am

That irony is downright ironic…not to mention funny…

CJ

November 29th, 2011
11:16 am

I’ll be voting to re-elect President Obama next year. I think I speak for a lot of Obama supporters when I say that the only Republican candidate who would worry me when going up against Obama next year is Jon Huntsman. Unlike Romney and Gingrich, Huntsman is a relatively consistent conservative with a successful record. Ironically, he’s also consistently at the bottom of the polls. But irony is the ocean in which we swim these days.

HDB

November 29th, 2011
11:17 am

It’s ironic….and pathetic!! The party of “family values” persistently express their desire of a theocracy…and hypocritically expound values they have yet to follow!! Pot…meet kettle……

Lord Help Us

November 29th, 2011
11:17 am

I have no problem with Gingrich’s serial adultery, infidelity, marriages, etc.

My problem is I see him as the absolute embodiment of everything that is wrong is Washington…influence peddling, pay for access, pay to play, the revolving door betwen politics and business…you name it.

Gingrich is exactly the type of politician sought by the Jack Abramoffs and others that ruin our country.

Finn McCool

November 29th, 2011
11:18 am

Republicans are soooo screwed in 2012 and, thus, so are the Dems. It’s kinda sad – it wont be much of a competitive race. Obama needs competition.

getalife

November 29th, 2011
11:20 am

In the end, cons will settle with willard but Huntsman has the best chance to beat our President.

I am glad cons don’t listen to me and will lose again.

Finn McCool

November 29th, 2011
11:20 am

off topic:

The deficit is the agenda of the One Percent. There is no reason that the rest of us should be concerned about budget deficits when the rest of the country is struggling with the economic disaster created by the greed and incompetence of the One Percent.

This is not a statement of morality; it is a statement based on economic reality. Budget deficits can be a problem when an economy is near full employment and the deficit can be pulling resources away from private investment, thereby slowing growth. However, it is not a problem with large numbers of unemployed workers and vast amounts of excess capacity.

This is what the financial markets are telling us every day as interest rates on long-term government bonds hover near 2.0 percent. If deficits were really crimping the economy, we would be seeing interest rates of 6 or 7 percent, or even higher. The deficit hawks do not have an economic case to support their argument, just money and influence.

~Dean Baker
http://www.truth-out.org/time-retake-politics-one-percent-both-political-parties/1322491435

Kamchak

November 29th, 2011
11:23 am

From Jay’s link:

Republican voters remain generally unimpressed with the quality of the GOP field. Only about half of Republican and Republican-leaning voters (48%) say the Republican candidates are excellent or good while nearly as many (46%) say they are only fair or poor. GOP voters’ ratings of the field have shown little improvement since May and are at least as low as ratings for Republican candidates at comparable points in the 2008 and 1996 campaigns.

If the Republicans truly wanted the Oval Office, they would field a better candidate.

Just sayin’.

TaxPayer

November 29th, 2011
11:26 am

Gingrich has his heart in becoming president. He’s driven by a desire to sit at the front of the plane. It’s his lifelong ambition. It would be more than ironic if Gingrich were the one that outed Cain though. I love watching Republicans fight it out. They always seem to be able to find a new low to take things. Reality teevee has nothing on them. :lol:

Paul

November 29th, 2011
11:27 am

Pres Obama to Axelrod: “How are we going to win in 2012?”

Axelrod to Pres Obama: “Relax. Republican primary voters won’t let us down.”

hsn

November 29th, 2011
11:30 am

*”I think most of us can now agree that Herman Cain is finished as a candidate.”*

Yes I agree wholeheartedly. And it was his own doing. He better wisen up and drop out now before he is completely damaged beyond repair and even risk losing his marriage. Unfortunately, he STILL DENIES every single one of the charges. But at some point, the numbers will make every accuser an “evil democratic operative” and a “high-tech lyncher.”

getalife

November 29th, 2011
11:33 am

I think you cons should demand the gop follow Frank’s lead and retire.

Forget this race and lets focus on changing our corrupt system before all hell breaks loose.

barking frog

November 29th, 2011
11:34 am

I think Gingrich’s polls reflect more of a grassroots opposition
to the tight hierarchial control of the Republican Party like
the Tea Party movement than any desire to see Newt, or
Herman be the nominee.

TaxPayer

November 29th, 2011
11:35 am

I want to hear more from the GOP candidates regarding their positions on abortion and public radio and planned parenthood and gun legislation and social security and medicare and healthcare legislation and DOMA and gay rights and their desired role of evangelism in government and thoughts on poligamy, etc. I mean, we know what they think about taxes and jobs and the debt and deficit already. No need to rehash those items any more. :lol:

kayaker 71

November 29th, 2011
11:37 am

Bookman,

Your thread was great until that last paragraph. Guess that’s the difference between journalism and hack partisanship.

Bosch

November 29th, 2011
11:37 am

Cain’s interview with CNN yesterday was kind of like watching a five year old admit he didn’t do something that you weren’t aware that had happened.

“I swear, that I didn’t cut my sisters hair!”

Soothsayer

November 29th, 2011
11:38 am

It’s snowing out here in the boonies.

USMC

November 29th, 2011
11:40 am

“I am glad cons don’t listen to me and will lose again.”–Getalife

Speaking of losing AGAIN, Getalife…

2005 SEC Championship Game #13 Georgia Bulldogs 34…. #3 LSU Tigers 14…

2011 SEC CG has the makings for an Upset of Epic proportions… :-)

jewcowboy

November 29th, 2011
11:40 am

CJ,

“the only Republican candidate who would worry me when going up against Obama next year is Jon Huntsman.”

Bingo! That must mean we are scared of the rest…at least according to some on here.

getalife

November 29th, 2011
11:41 am

Where have you been Bosch?

kayaker 71

November 29th, 2011
11:41 am

Lord Help Us,

Interestingly enough, during Abramoff’s interview with Leslie Stall on 60M, he stated that Gingrich was the only Congressional member that he couldn’t get into his hip pocket. Said he tried on several occasions but just couldn’t get him to come around.

Doggone/GA

November 29th, 2011
11:42 am

“Guess that’s the difference between journalism and hack partisanship”

And you don’t appear to know the difference between journalism and opinion

getalife

November 29th, 2011
11:43 am

USMC,

Blowout.

LSU by 21.

Next year, we win with a dawg quarterback.

St Simons - we're on Island time

November 29th, 2011
11:44 am

Cain/Gingrich 2012 – the Magic Pill for Electile Dysfunction

Cain/Gingrich 2012 – We Know What Women Want

Cain/Gingrich 2012 – tune in Bravo – its got the juice for 12 episodes

godless heathen

November 29th, 2011
11:44 am

The Hurmenator should take a page from Barney’s playbook and “retire” before any more “stuff” hits the fan. Oh and you buy Barney’s explanation for quitting? Ha, ha. Gonna be something good coming out. Maybe he’s been running another prostitution ring out of his home. But wait, that wouldn’t mean anything to his supporters, so it must be worse than that. Maybe he didn’t sort his recyclables.

Tall

November 29th, 2011
11:46 am

Finn McCool:

Dean Baker can’t be much of an economist if he doesn’t understand the policies of the Federal Reserve Bank. He reads more like radical that knows just enough to be dangerous.

Bosch

November 29th, 2011
11:47 am

Hi ya’ getalife!

I’ve been getting my business open — haven’t had time to blog so much.

:)

Keep getting those wingnuts for me!! :)

St Simons - we're on Island time

November 29th, 2011
11:49 am

Cain/GIngrich 2012 – the Toddler Tantrum Ticket

Cain/GIngrich 2012 – we Hate Yew THIS Much dummycrats

kayaker 71

November 29th, 2011
11:49 am

Doggone,

I don’t see a hell of a lot of difference in “journalism” and opinion lately. The majority of the media is engaged in opinion. Sells more air time, produces more hits on blogs and creates more sponsors. Fox is decidedly on the right but the majority of the others seem to drift to the left most of the time. I would rather see the Eric Sevareids, the Walter Chroncites, and the Edward R. Murrows any day. Although most of them were liberals politically, they at least appeared to be non-biased in their views, content on just reporting and analyzing and not opinionating. They seemed to think that America could make up it’s own mind without their help.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 29th, 2011
11:49 am

K71 — “Interestingly enough, during Abramoff’s interview with Leslie Stall on 60M, he stated that Gingrich was the only Congressional member that he couldn’t get into his hip pocket. Said he tried on several occasions but just couldn’t get him to come around.”

Did Abramoff try putting on a wig, a dress and some makeup? You’ve got to know what your target is interested in if you want him to play ball.

Doggone/GA

November 29th, 2011
11:51 am

“I don’t see a hell of a lot of difference in “journalism” and opinion lately”

How about some quotes to prove your assertion? And why would you come to an OPINION page and decry the “journalism” if you DO know the difference?

getalife

November 29th, 2011
11:51 am

Bosch,

I forgot about your new business.

My memory is horrible but the wingnuts are self destructing .

They just now figured out cain is a joke :)

Joe Hussein Mama

November 29th, 2011
11:51 am

K71 — “I don’t see a hell of a lot of difference in “journalism” and opinion lately. ”

Well, that’s Fox for you. :D

Doggone/GA

November 29th, 2011
11:52 am

“Said he tried on several occasions but just couldn’t get him to come around”

Maybe he wasn’t offering enough

Stonethrower

November 29th, 2011
11:52 am

We accept the fact that all politicians will lie, but a preacher? Come on now Rev. Cain!

Kamchak

November 29th, 2011
11:53 am

I don’t see a hell of a lot of difference in “journalism” and opinion lately.

Simply because you can’t, that doesn’t mean that others aren’t wise enough to know the difference.

Just sayin’.

jewcowboy

November 29th, 2011
11:54 am

Maybe the Republicans could have another debate and work out who will get Cain’s peeps…oh wait…they have 12 more scheduled.

Finn McCool

November 29th, 2011
11:54 am

In a last-ditch attempt to escape the guillotine, the top 1 percent are resorting to ever more devious tactics. First and foremost, they have adopted a bizarrely nondescript way of dressing: It’s spare simplicity with foncy labels; it’s a white gold Rolex that resembles a plain old tin Timex; it’s L.L.Bean-style basics with haute-couture prices. Simply put: The 1 percent are occupying Hermès (the luxury retailer most synonymous with understated extravagance).

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/doonan/2011/11/the_rise_of_quiet_luxury_understated_chic_that_is_very_very_expensive_.html

hehehe

stands for decibels

November 29th, 2011
11:55 am

In the end, cons will settle with willard but Huntsman has the best chance to beat our President.

I am glad cons don’t listen to me and will lose again.

Yep.

From what I’ve seen so far of Huntsman, he’s the only guy on that side who wouldn’t have me literally lying awake nights wondering what the hell happened to our country if elected.

Which I guess is why conservatives can’t allow him to be nominated. Pissing off liberals remains their Prime Directive.

kayaker 71

November 29th, 2011
11:55 am

Joe,

The interview with Abramhoff was most interesting. It was a no BS look at how people like him and others secure the votes of Congressmen/women both D and R. Although Abramhoff was a Republican, he secured the votes of just as many Democrats as he did Republicans. Each was equally vulnerable. As to your suggestion on a wig, a dress and some makeup?….. I am sure that that would appeal to many others besides Gingrich, regardless of party.

JamVet

November 29th, 2011
11:55 am

getalife, after the Bayou Bengals dismantle the Puppy Dawgs, it may well be the Cornhuskers turn to do the same in Tampa on January 2nd…

In an interview for NBC News’ web-only Meet The Press ”Press Pass,” former lobbyist and convicted felon Jack Abramoff, now a self-styled reformer, told host David Gregory that surging GOP hopeful Newt Gingrich‘s involvement with Freddie Mac constitutes “corruption,” and said of Gingrich’s presidential bid, “I don’t know if he’ll survive this.”

When “Casino Jack” calls you corrupt, you might have a problem on your hands.

Gingrich, who famously called for the jailing of Rep. Barney Frank over his dealings with Freddie Mac, finds himself at odds with that stance now that it has been revealed that Gingrich’s consulting firm received $1.6 million in fees from the housing agency over the last decade.

Gregory asked Abromoff what he made of the brewing scandal. ” I don’t know if he’ll survive this, to be honest with you, this is a very big thing,” Abramoff told Gregory, adding, “Because he is doing, and engaging in the exact kind of corruption that America disdains.”

You call that corruption though?” Gregory asked. “That’s a heavy charge.”

“It is corruption,” Abramoff responded. “At the end of the day, I say in the book, I believe now, although I didn’t believe then unfortunately, that any provision of favor or any provision of anything to members of Congress and their staff is bribery. And any cashing in on it by them coming out later is corruption.”

Abramoff also isn’t buying Newt’s explanation. ” I know he says that they paid him as a historian to give him a historic lesson, but, but I’m unaware of any history professor being paid that sort of money to give someone a history lesson.”

stands for decibels

November 29th, 2011
11:55 am

We accept the fact that all politicians will lie, but a preacher?

well, consider their source material…

jewcowboy

November 29th, 2011
11:56 am

Doggone/GA

“And why would you come to an OPINION page and decry the “journalism” if you DO know the difference?”

Salient point…perhaps all that Fox News watching has blurred the lines of reality for some.

godless heathen

November 29th, 2011
11:56 am

Obama/Biden 2012 – Do Nothing and Know Nothing. Remember, things could be worse.

barking frog

November 29th, 2011
11:57 am

Politicians are temporary, Partys are forever. You don’t field
a candidate without the means to destroy him if he strays
outside the fence.

scott

November 29th, 2011
11:58 am

Man Jay. You are so obsessed with Newt it isn’t even funny. If only you would have looked into Obama as deeply as look into Newt and his past, perhaps we would not be stuck with an empty suit in the White House right now? Way to go.

Lord Help Us

November 29th, 2011
11:59 am

Maybe Jack had a problem with Gingrich because, as illustrated by his paycheck from Fannie/Freddie, Gingrich had his own racket that competed with Abramoff.

Peas in a pod, those two…

Sean Smith

November 29th, 2011
11:59 am

Huntsman is the man, but he is to smart for the party of stupid.

kayaker 71

November 29th, 2011
12:00 pm

Kamchak,

I think that most of us on this blog are able to recognize the difference. Bookman’s thread was pretty objective until the last paragraph. Then it turned to opinion. Why do I come here? Because it’s fun to banter with liberals. Why do you come here?

WOODSTOCK MIKE

November 29th, 2011
12:01 pm

All governments borrow money to pay much of their expenses, in America we have China pay our bills for us. What Europe clearly shows is when a government is so large and so much of it’s population is dependant on it to live as the economy takes a turn for the worse (which happens in all economies) and revenues aren’t coming in guess what, the dependant people can’t survive. Maybe people shouldn’t look to the government for their own survival??

n

November 29th, 2011
12:02 pm

Gingrich is scary. His resilience and rebirth as a possibly successful candidate willing to say or do anything in the service of his endless ambition mirror to a frightening extent the careers of past despots and demagogues. One waits (so far) in vain for a fitting reward for his overweening hubris.

RB from Gwinnett

November 29th, 2011
12:03 pm

It’s funny to see all you liberals award yourselves the Oval Office in 2012. You’d think you might learn to pay more attention after you did the exact same thing before the 2010 elections and lost in landslide fashion. No matter which candidate the R’s eventually end up with, you’re still stuck with Obama and that’s not an enviable position. Most of you can’t even come up with anything good to say about the man’s job performance. It’s just bash his opponents so he looks better by comparison. To anybody paying attention, he doesn’t.

Kamchak

November 29th, 2011
12:04 pm

In a last-ditch attempt to escape the guillotine, the top 1 percent are resorting to ever more devious tactics.

I’m guessing McMegan and her $1500 Thermomix food processor didn’t get that memo.

jewcowboy

November 29th, 2011
12:05 pm

Finn McCool,

“superrich should regrease, logo up, bedazzle, and maybe even vajazzle.”

Van Cleef and Arpels should introduce a new line.

USMC

November 29th, 2011
12:06 pm

Well, I guess the Occupy Wall Street/DC man who tried to assassinate Pres. Obama will now be tried as competent… Way to go Occupy Movement Protestors!

Man accused of trying to assassinate Obama is found competent
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/11/accused-white-house-gunman-found-competent-to-face-charges.html

Peadawg

November 29th, 2011
12:06 pm

“Maybe the Republicans could have another debate and work out who will get Cain’s peeps…oh wait…they have 12 more scheduled.”

What’s wrong w/ the number of debates the GOP is having?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)_presidential_debates,_2008

Democrats had 26 to just sort out 2 candidates.

stands for decibels

November 29th, 2011
12:06 pm

You’d think you might learn to pay more attention after you did the exact same thing before the 2010 elections

well no, most of us looked at the polling and realized it was going to be tough to hold the House, actually, at least in here.

That said, those of you who continue to cite the 2010 midterms might want to remember that if everyone who voted GOP goes back to the polls and does so again, you’re still something like 20-30 million votes short of what you need to win a general election.

getalife

November 29th, 2011
12:07 pm

Stands,

Huntsman is attacking wall street so he has no chance of beating the rove machine.

JamVet,

I think the dawgs vs Nebraska will be a good game.

Looks like Jack could be a good adviser on cleaning up our corrupt system.

ty webb

November 29th, 2011
12:07 pm

“We accept the fact that all politicians will lie, but a preacher?”

and a “reverend”?

Kamchak

November 29th, 2011
12:07 pm

I think that most of us on this blog are able to recognize the difference.

I don’t see a hell of a lot of difference in “journalism” and opinion lately.

Two of your comments are in direct conflict with one another.

kayaker 71

November 29th, 2011
12:08 pm

n,

Gingrich is not more scary than any other politician seeking the WH. Most of them lie, cheat, deceive the electorate….. most of them, including Bozo with his 1B dollar treasure chest for the 2012 campaign, are obliged to fulfill promises for that strings attached money. Bozo is no different than Gingrich, Cain, Romney or any other politician. You think that you get to the WH by playing within the rules? Despots and demagogues? You got it.

stands for decibels

November 29th, 2011
12:08 pm

What’s wrong w/ the number of debates the GOP is having?

nothing. I agree, that’s a rather silly point if that’s the one JCB’s making, but I took it to mean that they’ll re-settle and then re-settle who’s at the front of the pack before this thing is over.

jewcowboy

November 29th, 2011
12:09 pm

RB from Gwinnett,

“You’d think you might learn to pay more attention after you did the exact same thing before the 2010 elections”

Actually I think 2000 would be a better comparison. As backlash against a Clinton’s follies and a dull candidate, Democrats thought they could slack off on the election…and we wound up with 8 years of Bush.

stands for decibels

November 29th, 2011
12:10 pm

the Occupy Wall Street/DC man who tried to assassinate Pres. Obama

oy. Semper Liar strikes again…

carlosgvv

November 29th, 2011
12:11 pm

It’s clear the far right Tea Party is the real backbone of the Republican Party. It’s clear they will not support Romney. It’s also clear, from the baseness of their attacks on Obama, that they want a lighter shade of pale in the White House. So, they will put their fundamentalist Christian principles in the closet and support Ginrich. Then, after the election, they will pray to their “God of love” for forgiveness and all will be right in their crazed world.

USMC

November 29th, 2011
12:11 pm

“Why Cain’s collapse fuels Gingrich’s rise”–Jay Bookman

Jay Bookman’s obsessive MAN-CRUSH on Newt Gingrich is getting out if hand!

too funny! :-)

jewcowboy

November 29th, 2011
12:11 pm

WOODSTOCK MIKE,

“Maybe people shouldn’t look to the government for their own survival??”

Since corporations are people, does that mean Archer Daniels Midland needs to give up the gov’t teat in which it so ravenously suckles?

kayaker 71

November 29th, 2011
12:11 pm

Kanchak,

I don’t see any conflict between those two statements. Very partisan people often feel that opinion is journalism…. the kind of stuff that appears on this blog, for instance. It isn’t….and I think you know that.

getalife

November 29th, 2011
12:13 pm

“Most of you can’t even come up with anything good to say about the man’s job performance.”

Google President Obama’s accomplishments and inform yourself.

Getting obl and crushing aq should make you happy rb but being a partisan hack for the two corrupt parties is silly rb.

Ross Perot

November 29th, 2011
12:13 pm

Party of the stupid? At least they’re not begging the government to raise more taxes and spend more money in a recession!

JamVet

November 29th, 2011
12:14 pm

USMC, have you always been a chronic liar? And did you learn that trait in the Corps? (smiley face emoticon here)

USMC

November 29th, 2011
12:14 pm

“I think the dawgs vs Nebraska will be a good game.”–Getalife

Actually, Getalife, I don’t think… no, I am almost certain that Nebraska will not be invited to play against the Bulldogs in the Sugar Bowl! :-)

UGA 34; LSU 14

Regina

November 29th, 2011
12:14 pm

Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone

jewcowboy

November 29th, 2011
12:15 pm

Peadawg,

“What’s wrong w/ the number of debates the GOP is having? Democrats had 26 to just sort out 2 candidates.”

To paraphrase my momma, if the Democrats were to jump off a bridge would the Republicans follow? Face it, debates are cheaper to produce than reality shows and guarantee rating points. The need for all of these debates is media driven.

USMC

November 29th, 2011
12:16 pm

“USMC, have you always been a chronic liar? And did you learn that trait in the Corps? (smiley face emoticon here)”–Amvet

Hey Amvet, what am I being accused of lying about???

Donovan

November 29th, 2011
12:17 pm

I find it amusing that you Democrats react so violently and go on the offensive with demeaning rhetoric when you all feel threatened by a serious challenge.

Well, boys and girls, get used to it. There’s a new sheriff in town that’s going to make you all crazy and take away your presidential imposter.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 29th, 2011
12:17 pm

K71 — “As to your suggestion on a wig, a dress and some makeup?….. I am sure that that would appeal to many others besides Gingrich, regardless of party.”

QFT. :D

Midori

November 29th, 2011
12:18 pm

Hi Boschie :)

always good to see you :)

JamVet

November 29th, 2011
12:18 pm

getalife, NU will either play in the Gator, Outback or Capital One Bowl.

Florida is too easy, Arkansas is too good, but the Dawggies (or the Gamec0cks) are just right.

And at the risk of PO’ing Bro SoCo, Geaux Tigers…

PJ

November 29th, 2011
12:18 pm

Enter your comments here

stands for decibels

November 29th, 2011
12:18 pm

It’s clear the far right Tea Party is the real backbone of the Republican Party. It’s clear they will not support Romney.

I sincerely believe that the GOP establishment will coordinate matters with the folks that actually fund the Tea Party and ensure that everyone falls in line and makes Mitt their candidate after a few noisy primary battles. Obviously I could be wrong, but to do otherwise makes absolutely no sense for the party.

And yes, having a candidate that has lukewarm support with the base means it’s a bit harder to get out the vote, but the GOP has a lot of that slippage covered with their poll tax new voter ID requirements.

Adam

November 29th, 2011
12:19 pm

Jay, you’re only saying that because yu FEAR Herman Cain

FEAR THE CAIN!

:lol:

DebbieDoRight

November 29th, 2011
12:19 pm

USMC: 2005 SEC Championship Game #13 Georgia Bulldogs 34…. #3 LSU Tigers 14…

That was in 2005 – it is now 2011. Since then things have changed. national Championships: LSU (1) FLA (2) Auburn (1) Alabama (1) Georgia (ZERO).

But they DO have an SEC championshp. Would you rather an SEC champion or a National Champion be?

LSU by 40 (and that will be their 4th tiered squad — however when they get to the 4th quarter, they’ll let the scrubs play to give Gawja a break).

JamVet

November 29th, 2011
12:19 pm

Your 12:06, oldguy…

Peadawg

November 29th, 2011
12:21 pm

“The need for all of these debates is media driven.”

Were they media driven back in 2008 or just now? Just curious…

Joe Hussein Mama

November 29th, 2011
12:21 pm

Donovan — “Well, boys and girls, get used to it. There’s a new sheriff in town that’s going to make you all crazy and take away your presidential imposter.”

Newt’s going to be arrested? What for and when? :D

Lord Help Us

November 29th, 2011
12:21 pm

‘Herman Cain reassessing whether to stay in GOP nomination race.’

Translation: She has the equivalent of a stained dress…

DebbieDoRight

November 29th, 2011
12:21 pm

Donovan: I find it amusing that you Democrats react so violently and go on the offensive with demeaning rhetoric when you all feel threatened by a serious challenge.

These guys are serious? WTF!! :shock:

Well, boys and girls, get used to it. There’s a new sheriff in town that’s going to make you all crazy and take away your presidential imposter.

Bush has already left office. Duh.

Tommy Maddox

November 29th, 2011
12:21 pm

It’s always amusing when the Left tells the Right who their nominee should be.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 29th, 2011
12:23 pm

Adam — “FEAR THE CAIN!”

My wife has started calling him “Sperman Cain.”

I’m not into the whole cutesy-names-for-people-I-don’t-like thing, but my wife has no such compunctions. :D

jewcowboy

November 29th, 2011
12:23 pm

stands for decibels,

“ensure that everyone falls in line and makes Mitt their candidate”

Do Republicans really want a person who drove to Canada with his dog strapped to the roof of his car to be their nominee? Of course, looking at the competition, that might be less baggage in the general election.

USMC

November 29th, 2011
12:23 pm

“Party of the stupid? At least they’re not begging the government to raise more taxes and spend more money in a recession!”

-see Mick as example.

The guy wants to spend everyone’s money (and MORE money that we don’t have) on “ditch digging” jobs as the answer to our country’s $15,064,014,480,308.44 National Debt.
Unbelievable! LOL! :-)

Joe Hussein Mama

November 29th, 2011
12:24 pm

LHU — “Translation: She has the equivalent of a stained dress…”

Actually, I think she had documentation to support her story and the Cain campaign is even now figuring out their exit strategy. Pizza may or may not be involved.

jewcowboy

November 29th, 2011
12:24 pm

Peadawg,

“Were they media driven back in 2008 or just now? Just curious…”

Yep…and just as asinine.

moonbat betty

November 29th, 2011
12:24 pm

It’s almost that time to…..

FEAR THE MITTENS!!

Peadawg

November 29th, 2011
12:24 pm

BTW I’ll hop in on the UGA/LSU game…

UGA Offense > LSU Offense
LSU Defense > UGA defense (but not by as much as the ESPN blowhards are making it out to be)

UGA keeps it close w/ there defense. No way it’s a total blowout. Whether or not UGA can pull out a win…i don’t know.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 29th, 2011
12:25 pm

jcb — “Do Republicans really want a person who drove to Canada with his dog strapped to the roof of his car to be their nominee?”

Come now. They’d see that as a *selling point* in his favor.

stands for decibels

November 29th, 2011
12:25 pm

It’s always amusing when the Left tells the Right who their nominee should be.

well, when you see that happening, let me know. The left of center types are here handicapping a race; didn’t you guys do that with the 2008 primary race, or did you merely await orders from Reichsmarshall Limbaugh?

Peadawg

November 29th, 2011
12:25 pm

“Yep…and just as asinine.”

Just making sure you’re consistent. :)

kayaker 71

November 29th, 2011
12:26 pm

I personally don’t really care how many wives that Gingrich has had. Maybe he is like Richard Pryor when he said, “I’m just gonna keep tryin’ ’til I get it right”. I don’t care if he thinks Elvis is still alive or that feels that the earth is flat. If he or someone else like him can put this country back to work and fix this screwy economy, he will be considered on the the greatest presidents of the 21st century. We bicker about things that all politicians do while we ignore the very fact that our country is headed at light speed toward the tank. Why don’t we, just for a little while, try to view what might be good for the country and not focus on whether or not the candidate is R or D? We have a huge problem and it is not being fixed, by either Republicans or Democrats. All they do is bicker. Hell, they couldn’t even get together in a Super Committee and agree on cutting about 1% of our budget because of ideologic differences. No wonder Paris Hilton has a better approval rating than our Congress.