USA in danger of becoming ’secular country’
Newt Gingrich sees “mortal threats” as often as that kid in “The Sixth Sense” sees dead people.
In the recent past, Gingrich has claimed that Sharia law poses a “mortal threat to the survival of freedom in the United States.” He argues that the Obama-led “secular-socialist machine,” whatever that is, poses “as great a threat to America as Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union once did.” Even the petition method of organizing a union represents “a mortal threat to American freedom.”
In an appearance in Iowa over the weekend, Gingrich expanded on his list of mortal threats. Liberals, he told an audience of social conservatives, are trying to abolish traditional religion in this country and are using government “to repress the American people against their own values.” Furthermore, he warned that conservatives need to be “very aggressive and very direct” in opposing this “mortal threat to our civilization.”
Lest there be any doubt about Gingrich’s meaning, the former speaker also explained that we shouldn’t be surprised by all the problems we’re enduring, because ever since 1963, “we’ve in fact attempted to create a secular country, which I think is frankly a nightmare.”
Gingrich clearly believes that the United States is not and should not be a secular country, meaning that its government should not be neutral on matters of religion. Instead, he believes that government should favor and advance “traditional religion” — a euphemism for Christianity — and he seeks Christian votes to help make it so.
It is a ludicrous proposition from a ludicrous man.
The argument that he makes is nothing new of course. This week, we gather as families and friends to celebrate a national holiday with origins almost 400 years old, a legacy of a group of people who came to this continent to freely practice the religion that they were barred from practicing back home. That’s the part of the story that we like to celebrate, and understandably so, because it speaks to our basic concepts of freedom.
However, there’s another part of that story that we ignore too often. In their quest for religious liberty, the Pilgrims and their later-arriving cousins, the Puritans, themselves established governments that brutally denied religious liberty to those of any faith different than their own. They used that power to imprison and banish those they labeled as heretics, and on occasion to execute those such as Quakers who dared to disagree.
In other words, their motto was religious freedom for me, but not for thee. Because they believed they possessed the one true faith, they believed they had the right, and indeed the obligation, to use government to protect and advance that faith.
In time, however, a competing ideology arose. It recognized that, as Thomas Jefferson put it, “religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God,” and that government has no right to interfere in that relationship. It further recognized that on matters core to who we are as human beings, the majority has no legitimate right to impose itself on the minority, and it expressed that value through the First Amendment.
Our Founding Fathers understood that you cannot claim to support a limited government and individual freedom while also claiming that government has the right to tilt the scales in favor of one person’s religion, and against that of another person.
I was particularly struck by Gingrich’s assertion that by trying to keep government and religion separate, liberals are trying “to drive out of existence traditional religion.” Such a statement implies that traditional religion requires government support to survive, and that is blatantly false. Without exception, and throughout human history, a religion that becomes dependent on government also becomes corrupt and weak.
As a historian, Gingrich ought to know that. He also ought to understand the dangers of trying to rouse a religious majority to exert its power at the expense of the minority, because that too has never ended well. However, like many cynics before him, he also understands the political power of such appeals, and frankly, that’s his real priority.
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Adam
November 22nd, 2011
7:05 am
USA in danger of becoming ’secular country’
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
7:06 am
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
(Sorry, couldn’t help myself)
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
7:07 am
Oooo first! Driving to work, bbl.
Granny Godzilla
November 22nd, 2011
7:16 am
Which end of Newt did that escape from?
mike thompson
November 22nd, 2011
7:19 am
Don’t Newt me. Please Please don’t Newt me.
Just throw me in the briar patch.
ByteMe
November 22nd, 2011
7:20 am
As a historian for Freddie Mac, Gingrich ought to know that.
FYT.
Really?
November 22nd, 2011
7:22 am
He’s a crazy old man that somehow received a PhD… from where, I have no idea. It can’t be legitimate, that’s for sure, because as a history major with a PhD, he would already know and cherish religious freedom for all as Jay points out.
USMC
November 22nd, 2011
7:22 am
I think Jay needs to invest in some ANGER MANAGEMENT sessions.
Jay’s Hate and Anger for Newt is boiling over into the Danger zone… It’s not healthy for you, Jay; High blood pressure, stress, etc. You will live a much happier life without the hate and anger burning you up inside.
Jay, did Professor Gingrich fail you at Kennesaw State Univ.? Or are you just envious of Newt’s accomplishments and position in life when compared to yours???
Get over it, Jay. You’re an okay guy, too!
TaxPayer
November 22nd, 2011
7:23 am
Is scout working for the Newt.
ByteMe
November 22nd, 2011
7:27 am
USMC: projection personified. The “hate and anger” is powerful in that one.
Mary Elizabeth
November 22nd, 2011
7:29 am
The young people of the 1960s broke free of the “traditions” of the 1950s that were set in stone for all to follow. That generation – my generation – did not see the authenticity of love being expressed through those traditional beliefs.They saw only a surface “playing out” of rigid expectations that did not match what was in the heart, and they sought to make spiritual experience more profound and real. They looked around them during the Civil Rights Movement and saw their Southern Baptist friends, and others of conservative religious churches, not supporting Civil Rights for all people. Where was the love expressed in that? they asked.
Oscar Hammerstein II, the great lyricist of musicals such as “South Pacific” and “The Sound of Music” wrote these words that have more profound lessons of how to love than some “traditional” religions do:
“A bell’s not a bell ’til you ring it
A song’s not a song ’til you sing it
Love in your heart wasn’t put there to stay.
Love isn’t love ’til you give it away.”
Oscar Hammerstein II
In my opinion, if Newt Gingrich experienced deeply felt spiritual beliefs in his heart toward others, instead of simply voicing surface traditional beliefs that he knows will be self-serving to him in his political aspirations, he could not say that the Wall Street Protesters should “get a job, but first get a bath.”
How heartless! How cold and hurtful! How lacking in authentic love! We must see deeper into others than simply what they voice regarding traditional religious beliefs. What is the degree of love that they “give away” to their fellow human beings?
stands for decibels
November 22nd, 2011
7:29 am
Only vaguely on topic, but did you know that the church that the Pilgrims founded in 1620 is apparently the oldest church congregation in the United States in continuous operation?
(I didn’t until a coupla days ago.)
stands for decibels
November 22nd, 2011
7:31 am
a reminder: our USMC thinks that “most if not all” of Jay’s views are “far out of the mainstream.”
This explains a lot about USMC.
Normal
November 22nd, 2011
7:32 am
Jay,
Now just look at the mess you’ve made! I told you not to give newt any more “print time”, but NOOOO, you just had to do it and now he’s number one on the GOP freak parade. You just don’t understand the power you have…Geez Jay!!
ByteMe
November 22nd, 2011
7:33 am
BTW, didn’t see it, Jay, but did Newt try to sell his books during the Iowa debate this past weekend?
Near as I can tell, that appears to be the only reason he’s “running” for President.
AmVet - Just say no to the GOP's fascist theocracy.
November 22nd, 2011
7:33 am
This neo-con and his mental midgetry is FAR more dangerous to the future of this republic than all of the homicidal Muslims combined.
He is a completely discredited fraud, and nothing but a sleazy, hypocritical misanthrope, hiding behind Jesus.
And by way of a rhetorical question, why is it that the most puffed up of these pious putzes are always the worst examples of their religion?
ByteMe
November 22nd, 2011
7:35 am
AmVet: tell us how you really feel. Go ahead. We can handle it.
Marie
November 22nd, 2011
7:37 am
Jay you really ought to be ashamed of yourself for going off the far deep end of what Newt Gingrich was stating. Nowhere in his statement is he calling for the abolishment of other faiths or that this be just a Christ centered nation. By your own reporting, Gingrich said the separation of government and religion, he did not mention a specific religion.
Since you want to bring up Thanksgiving — let me insert this proclamation by Abraham Lincoln written in 1863 and if Bush or even Obama were to write something similar today if there would not be those on the left who would not pitch a fit because it gives too much praise to the Almighty God.
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he year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequalled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.
Mick
November 22nd, 2011
7:37 am
Most people readily accept that we are a country founded on christian principles – wrong. The greatness of our constitution is how it explicitly leaves out the mentioning of god and religion. Europe was convulsed by wars of religion draining treasuries and costing many lives through their blood. (sound familiar?) Europe had their dark ages and came out of it with the renaissance and enlightenment thinking. Religion was put aside and people began to focus what you could do in this life as opposed to the promised afterlife. Thankfully, our constitution was put together by the best enlightenment thinkers of the day with benjamin franklin and thomas jefferson’s influential voices at the helm. We have a party today that ignores all the founders guidance and wisdom and seeks to inject theology into the plan. H3ll no, our europen forefathers have been there and done that, we need to learn from their mistakes and move on to more progressive ideals leaving religion on the sidelines where it belongs…
Truth-O-Meter
November 22nd, 2011
7:38 am
It is interesting that many who clothe themselves in the Bible and religion display the most un-Christian like behavior. Gingrich can talk religion all day long but as long as he denigrates “the least of these,” he shows he has very little understanding of what it means to be a Christian.
Very few politicians of either party allow true Christian values to influence their daily comportment.
1) Gov. Romney has a new ad that distorts something the president said in 2008. The clip is edited in such a way as to a sound like the president was speaking instead of quoting another candidate.
2) Gov. Perry did a little creative editing last week to distort something the president said. He was called on it by the media and I suppose pulled the ad.
I will leave it to fellow bloggers to come up with examples of those on the left (I am sure there are some out there).
I was generous and called these distortions, really they are lies. Totally un-Christia- like behavior.
Some of the blogs responding to the booing of First Lady Obama and Dr. Biden at the NASCAR race were sickening. Many of these people accused the left of trying to do away with religion. If they really believed that they have a duty to attract others to their religious belief, who would want to align with such mean-spirited people. There is no credibility in maintaining one has strong Christian values and then you demean and vilify those you want to defeat or simply dislike.
Aquagirl
November 22nd, 2011
7:39 am
I say we get back to old-fashioned values and hang a few witches for Thanksgiving. Gawd bless ‘Merica.
TaxPayer
November 22nd, 2011
7:39 am
Pious Putze Puffs are on the breakfast menu at any right wing establishment worth frequenting.
ByteMe
November 22nd, 2011
7:39 am
Mick, pretty sure you can get away with mentioning hell here.
USMC
November 22nd, 2011
7:40 am
WHERE’S THE CASH, CORZINE? :-0
MF Global Trustee Says Shortfall Could Exceed $1.2 Billion
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/11/21/mf-global-trustee-estimates-shortfall-could-be-more-than-1-2-billion/?ref=business
Normal
November 22nd, 2011
7:41 am
Marie,
read this…
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/human_nature/2011/11/christian_theocracy_how_newt_gingrich_and_the_gop_would_abolish_courts_and_legislate_morality_.html
philosopher
November 22nd, 2011
7:41 am
One doesn’t need to hate Newt…one needs to shower after thinking about how he has lived his life or listening to the hypocritical BS that rolls out of his slimy maw!
ByteMe
November 22nd, 2011
7:42 am
and hang a few witches for Thanksgiving
In that vein and to get us back on topic:
Bedevere: How do you know she is a witch?
Peasant: She looks like one.
[Crowd indistinctly shouts]
Bedevere: Bring her forward!
Girl: I’m not a witch.
Bedevere: But you are dressed as one…
Girl: They dressed me up like this.
[Crowd murmurs]
Girl: And this isn’t my nose. This is a false one.
Bedevere: [inspects the nose and confirms] Well?
Peasant: Well, we did do the nose.
Bedevere: The nose?
Peasant: And the hat. She’s a witch!
Peasant Crowd: Burn her!
Bedevere: Did you dress her up like this?
Peasant Crowd: No, no, no! [beat] Yes, yes. A bit. But she’s got a wart.
Bedevere: Why do you think that she is a witch?
Peasant: Well, she turned me into a newt.
[Bedevere gives him a disbelieving look]
Bedevere: A newt?
[Silence] Peasant: Well, I got better.
Peasant Crowd: Burn her anyway!
TaxPayer
November 22nd, 2011
7:43 am
I say we get back to old-fashioned values and hang a few witches for Thanksgiving
Talk like that could result in a visit from Ann Coulter to set you straight… and fatten you up.. and roll you up, roll you up and throw you in the pan.
Jm
November 22nd, 2011
7:45 am
I’m glad Jay is getting his constitutional history correct today.
Were that it was always so.
Gale
November 22nd, 2011
7:47 am
Does anyone else get the idea the Republican party is waltzing out one overt candidate after another (that they know is not electable) just to fan the conservative fires and fill campaign coffers? I know, Dems do it too. Any lie that will get people to write checks is ok.
Midori
November 22nd, 2011
7:48 am
USMC – The Corzine thread is just a couple links down.
Mary Elizabeth
November 22nd, 2011
7:48 am
Abraham Lincoln, as stated above: “. . . fervently implore the. . . Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.”
Newt Gingrich: Wall Street Protesters “should get a job, but get a bath first.”
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What is in each man’s soul comes through his words. One has greatness within; the other seems small and petty. We want our leaders to have deepened their souls – which thereafter is made manifest through their words and their actions.
Aquagirl
November 22nd, 2011
7:50 am
Byte, like a typical lib socialist marxist baby eater has left out the important part….she really WAS a witch, BURN HER!!!!
TaxPayer
November 22nd, 2011
7:50 am
Newt claims that he can help the south win the war of northern aggression if he is elected because he is an insider and he knows their weakness — Tiffanys. They just stand there in a daze and you can walk right up and take over without ever firing a shot. Then you can sell them each a million dollars worth of jewelry and have them charge it all on the store credit card and they’ll be indebted to you for evah.
Mick
November 22nd, 2011
7:51 am
byte
OK, what the hell it’s been a long time since I’ve been moderated, been a long time since the book of love, been a long time…
Atlanta mom
November 22nd, 2011
7:51 am
Newt as historian. ROFL
philosopher
November 22nd, 2011
7:54 am
Maybe the Republicans are trotting these nuts out one by one, each as bad or worse than the last, until they can toss out a person they really want to run and catch us by surprise…so relieved to see a half-decent candidate, that we stop asking questions and accept the person gladly…or am I giving them too much credit???
Normal
November 22nd, 2011
7:55 am
Maybe this is why Jay keeps bringing up newt…
http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine
AmVet - Just say no to the GOP's fascist theocracy.
November 22nd, 2011
7:56 am
ByteMe, Jesus is just all right with me. (Oh yeah!)
But my observations over a lifetime of watching endless TV charlatans and big money frauds bilk gullible people out of their last dime, in some cases, have verified Gandhi’s. These Christians are SO unlike their Christ.
And Gingrich and Coulter are just the latest poster boys for all of these petty and mean little pricks and thieves feigning to be everything they are not.
BTW, you know he is one integrity-free, little SOB when Jack Abramoff says he is corrupt. (Fannie and Freddie, anyone?)
Fortunately, we have taken their stranglehold power away from these faux Christians, and the 1950s are never coming back. No wonder they are so angry, huh?
Hell, after 92 years we finally put an end to their mini-prohibition here in Georgia! And I love it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEvy8mROAj0
Mick
November 22nd, 2011
7:56 am
jm
By the way, the only reason I went after you as a representative of your generation, is that my generation had respect, not contempt for the elderly in our society. If yours is the trend of thinking, then this country won’t be a very pleasant place in another decade because there will be millions of elderly boomers – we paid our dues and you?
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
7:57 am
Can anyone imagine this man taking the oath to defend and uphold the Constitution when all he wants to do is ignore the first amendment?
godless heathen
November 22nd, 2011
7:57 am
I think the President should come out and strongly, no very strongly, denounce the statements by Newt. Obama should clearly state that he supports a completely secular government and the thumpers should leave their crap at Sunday School.
TaxPayer
November 22nd, 2011
7:58 am
Newt fully captures, and exudes, the essence that is Republican. He should bottle it. Did you hear the applause he got from that crowd after his comment about the OWS folks.
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
7:58 am
philosopher: They’re too far gone for that this go around.
cosby
November 22nd, 2011
7:59 am
Just can’t get enough of bashing any Republican can you Jay…One thing you did not mention is the USA was founded on Judaio – Christian beliefs. It is littered with referrences to God, the supreme being through out letters by our founding fathers. In the 1960’s we began to deviate from that belief and look where we are. Single Parent is a new minority, it is ok to have multiple kids by multiple fathers and let society pay for them, it is ok to cheat on your spouse, it is ok to lie – see Obama aka Barry – get the picture – since the dimissinmg of God in the USA we have become a nation of no norals!! Keep up the great work Jay!!!!!
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
7:59 am
I think godless heathen is right. Except for how awesome it is to be Obama and just sit and watch these candidates spontaneously combust.
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
8:00 am
cosby: One thing you did not mention is the USA was founded on Judaio – Christian beliefs.
No, it’s founded on DEIST beliefs. Check your history.
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
8:02 am
cosby: since the dimissinmg of God in the USA we have become a nation of no norals!!
Why, just the otherday when the House broguht ab ill forth to reaffirm that “In God We Trust” was our motto, it was DEFEATED. I do decla-ya!
TaxPayer
November 22nd, 2011
8:03 am
cosby: One thing you did not mention is the USA was founded on Judaio – Christian beliefs.
Those revisionist history books have not been approved for sale outside of Texas.
AmVet - Just say no to the GOP's fascist theocracy.
November 22nd, 2011
8:04 am
Many of these people accused the left of trying to do away with religion.
Riiight.
I mean it’s every other day where you see a headline that a bunch of atheists are picketing in front of churches and trying to get hem closed down, right?
And Cosby, leave us Hebes out of your little history lesson.
The right-wing “Christians” have also been the biggest anti-Semites in this nation…
Mick
November 22nd, 2011
8:04 am
cosby
Obama – one wife, two children, good family man
Newt – three wives, adulterer, not so good…
philosopher
November 22nd, 2011
8:06 am
cosby: “it is ok to cheat on your spouse”- newt would agree with you on that one and many others, including requesting a divorce from your wife as she’s dying of cancer…yeah, I’d say we really need someone like him to get us back on track morally.
Finn McCool
November 22nd, 2011
8:07 am
One thing you did not mention is the USA was founded on Judaio – Christian beliefs.
Total BS
Granny Godzilla
November 22nd, 2011
8:07 am
cosby
“In the 1960’s we began to deviate from that belief and look where we are”
Blacks are sitting next to whites at lunch counters?
Women are sitting next to men in boardrooms?
Oh the humanity!
Mary Elizabeth
November 22nd, 2011
8:08 am
“Obama should clearly state that he supports a completely secular government”
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Obama won’t be saying that because he does not believe that. He is a Christian who believes that this nation was designed for freedom of religion – for all variations of religious expression, or for none.
Ca$h Flow Dollar
November 22nd, 2011
8:08 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3BWAmlXis
Fly-On-The-Wall
November 22nd, 2011
8:13 am
One very interesting comment or lack of one are those on the right who do not comment on what Newt said but instead deflect. Don’t you have an opinion on what Newt said? Comment about that instead of deflecting to something else.
TaxPayer
November 22nd, 2011
8:13 am
According to CNN Money, the Republican contender [the Newt] described the CBO as “a reactionary socialist institution which does not believe in economic growth, does not believe in innovation and does not believe in data that it has not internally generated.”
He probably feels that way because of the CBO conclusion that the Bush tax cuts would not ever pay for themselves when everyone (of the Republican faith) knows that more bigger tax cuts create more bigger tax revenues!! That’s a staple in any true Republican’s diet.
Marie
November 22nd, 2011
8:14 am
@Mary Elizabeth — I think you should read a little more history because as a liberal you will probably find disagreement with some of President Lincoln’s actions during the Civil War. And probably would label him “un-Christian” as well.
Sorry people in this country need to grow up and really READ the Bible before they began making pronouncements on whether someone is showing true Christian love when they say something you consider to be “mean and insensitive”. Telling someone to take a bath and get a job is mild compared to some of the words and actions of Moses, John the Baptist, Jesus, Paul, etc. Sorry if you want to always be handled with kid gloves you’re not ready for TRUE Christianity.
Jimmy62
November 22nd, 2011
8:16 am
And yet the left gets away with ridiculous hyperbole every day, including most every column you ever write, and every speech Obama has given since he was elected. Before he was elected it was all lies, now it’s hyperbole mixed with half-truths and misguided attacks.
Granny Godzilla
November 22nd, 2011
8:18 am
Marie
When confronted with the many contradictory teachings found between the Old and New Testaments….please tell us you follow the words of Jesus Christ over those of St. Paul or Moses.
You are Christian not Paulian or Mosesian, right?
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
8:19 am
Marie: “Take a bath and get a job” is something Gingrich is saying to win votes. He is therefore committing one of the seven deadly sins: Greed.
stands for decibels
November 22nd, 2011
8:20 am
Blacks are sitting next to whites at lunch counters?
Women are sitting next to men in boardrooms?
Oh the humanity!
Yeah, I’m thinking that’s probably what pisses off the theocrats the most about what those DFHs accomplished in the 60s, although I don’t imagine any will admit it.
Sorry if you want to always be handled with kid gloves you’re not ready for TRUE Christianity.
Marie, you know where you can shove your dogma.
Granny Godzilla
November 22nd, 2011
8:21 am
Jimmy62
Balderdash
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
8:21 am
Marie: He is also lying.
Finn McCool
November 22nd, 2011
8:22 am
Using scare tactics to activate the base? That’s par for the course for conservatives. They come up with a boogeyman every election cycle. If it’s not terrorists, then it’s religious persecution or gay marriage taking over.
You can set your watch by the conservanutters.
Mary Elizabeth
November 22nd, 2011
8:23 am
Marie, your assumptions about me are all wrong. And I hope that I, like you, would resist being defined by any gross label, such as “liberal” or “conservative.”
For my thoughts on Lincoln, in depth, go to my blog and read the entry entitled, “Good and Evil Within Each Soul.” Here is the link:
http://maryelizabethsings.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/the-intertwining-of-good-and-evil-within-each-soul/
Over and out for this thread!
Finn McCool
November 22nd, 2011
8:23 am
the left gets away with ridiculous hyperbole every day, including most every column you ever write, and every speech Obama has given since he was elected.
LOL. Hyperbole much, Jimmy?
philosopher
November 22nd, 2011
8:24 am
Newt lost all right to credibility- it matters not one whit what he has to say about morality-NONE!!!
jconservative
November 22nd, 2011
8:24 am
Granny Godzilla November 22nd, 2011 8:18 am
Excellent point.
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
8:25 am
I fail to see an equivalency between the high level concept of hyperbole to a concerted effort to turn this country into a Christian Nation WHEN IT NEVER WAS BEFORE.
Finn McCool
November 22nd, 2011
8:25 am
TRUE christianity? As opposed to the made up christianity?
LOL again.
moonbat betty
November 22nd, 2011
8:25 am
In God We Trust
Jm
November 22nd, 2011
8:26 am
Yeah freedom. We could use more of it.
John Galt
November 22nd, 2011
8:26 am
One thing you did not mention is the USA was founded on Judaio – Christian beliefs.
Total BS
++++++
It’s not a democracy either.
carlosgvv
November 22nd, 2011
8:26 am
Gingrich knows that crazed far-right Christian Tea Party people are fast becoming the backbone of the Republican Party. He also knows how paranoid they are and how easily they will believe anything he says that seems to threaten their fundamentalist agenda. So, even though the sensible see how ludricious his statements are, you may expect the Republican far-right to believe every word of it and vote accordingly.
Mormons and Christians
November 22nd, 2011
8:26 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_61eCh9FLE
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
8:27 am
John Galt: It’s not a democracy either.
Thanks for the non sequitur.
Finn McCool
November 22nd, 2011
8:28 am
Newt is just working his base. The gullible Fox News watchers.
Mad Max
November 22nd, 2011
8:29 am
Byte me 7:39 – careful, hell is an acknowledgement of certain christian religions.
stands for decibels
November 22nd, 2011
8:30 am
It’s not a democracy either.
more total BS.
Please just go, Galt.
AmVet
November 22nd, 2011
8:30 am
“It’s not a democracy either.”
Not this nonsense again?
Democracies and republics overlap. They are not opposites. The are not mutually exclusive…
stands for decibels
November 22nd, 2011
8:31 am
Hey, where do I go to become a “Judaio?”
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
8:32 am
stands: Hey, where do I go to become a “Judaio?”
“Daylight come and me wan’ go home!”
stands for decibels
November 22nd, 2011
8:32 am
…cuz I know you go to the Church of Harry Belafonte to become a member of Opus Day-O.
stands for decibels
November 22nd, 2011
8:32 am
Damn, Adam, that’s scary.
AmVet
November 22nd, 2011
8:33 am
Time for the best take on religion, ever…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
8:33 am
stands: Just say “Judaio-juice” three times
Granny Godzilla
November 22nd, 2011
8:35 am
Opus Day O!
screen cleaner please
Butch Cassidy
November 22nd, 2011
8:35 am
Okay, I like a good joke as much as anyone. But seriously, would the real GOP candidates please come forward? The freak show has been nice, but I’m more interested in the actual candidates that will be running for the most powerful position in the world. I mean, it can’t be these guys. Right?
Normal
November 22nd, 2011
8:35 am
Reading the Bible and proclaiming yourself to be a Christian is no excuse for having bad manners. Don’t be that sheep who follows a false
Shepard. learn to follow yourself and you don’t need cults to worship God.
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
8:35 am
AmVet: love it.
Armed Liberal
November 22nd, 2011
8:36 am
stands for decibels
November 22nd, 2011
8:31 am
Go to Judaio Shack.
There’s a bug tub in the back for your on-demand baptism needs and batteries at check-out for your self-pleasure needs as well.
Mad Max
November 22nd, 2011
8:36 am
Mick @ 7:37 – If you think we should learn from our European neighbors, then you are all for cutting our deficts and dependance on government correct. As you say, our european forefathers have been there and done that and we see where they are going.
Marie
November 22nd, 2011
8:37 am
@Granny Godzilla, sorry I don’t parse the Bible into Moses, Jesus Christ and then Paul. I find those who do, simply do not have a mature understanding of the Bible. How can anyone discount Moses when Jesus Christ referred to the Mosiac Law? And how can you discount Paul when he refers to both the Mosiac Law and Jesus Christ? Sorry I have neither the time and this is not the space to go into all the lines and precepts of the Bible. All I can say is that I am sound in my Christian faith and fully understand how the teachings of all three are relative to the Bible as a whole and so no I do not ignore the writings of neither.
Armed Liberal
November 22nd, 2011
8:39 am
Marie
November 22nd, 2011
8:37 am
Cafeteria Christian Alert.
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
8:39 am
Mad Max: And it has been shown through their efforts that austerity makes things worse, not better. So yes, we should learn from their successes AND from their failures. Based on RESULTS, not ideology.
Aquagirl
November 22nd, 2011
8:39 am
Just say “Judaio-juice” three times
That sounds much easier than cutting off….oh, never mind. Judaio FTW!
Granny Godzilla
November 22nd, 2011
8:39 am
Mad Max
Yep…all those conservative economic recovery ideas continue to work so well in Europe. What wonders cutting and austerity hath wrought on the old continent indeed.
Adam
November 22nd, 2011
8:39 am
Marie: I find those who do, simply do not have a mature understanding of the Bible
Funny, I find that there is no such thing as a “mature understanding of the Bible”