For GOP, deficit reduction was never the goal in the first place

Democrats actually proposed and have insisted on a stimulus in the deficit committee work.

How on earth is that deficit reducing? It’s not.

So one can make the same argument that Democrats were never there to cut the deficit. Using Bookman logic of course.

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” you cannot responsibly insist on maintaining the Bush tax cuts in their entirety”

Liberal code language for “let the tax cuts expire on the rich and extend them for everyone else”, which is also deficit increasing.

Democrat hypocrisy knows no bounds.

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Ol’ Grover must have alot of nasty pictures on those Republican pledge signers…

Thank God, the Democrats stood firm this time.

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Jay

The actual facts here are both parties are to blame. I blame the Democrats more, but what matters is nothing was done.

I think the only solution is unifies control of Congress again. And whichever party that is can have a constructive negotiation with whoever is president. In short, nothing will get done so long as we have a divided congress, so everyone is going to have to wait and hope the markets don’t have a coronary in the meantime.

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::rolling eyes:: The mystery is that when a bunch of them get voted out for their gridlock practices, the next bunch rant about their -mandate- and proceed to do the very same thing. Partisan politics is a disease.

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jm

Face it, you are the minority in your thinking, it’s the wrong way to get back to where we once belonged…

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As long as we elect representatives who believe their job is to get reelected instead of governing, this mess will continue…

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Stop protecting a bunch of hypocrites.

I’m not protecting the Republicans.

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CUT Spending! The Democrats were never serious about cutting spending.

You can spin it anyway you want Jay, but your article is “as usual” Intellectually DISHONEST with all of your bluster and bravado!

We have a spending problem; plain and simple! Get off of the welfare “Crack” that has warped your brain.

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From Steve Benen

The problem, of course, is with the substance of the new Republican plan. The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities’ Paul N. Van de Water summarized the latest GOP proposal, put on the table late yesterday.

Republicans on the supercommittee have made a new offer that would reduce deficits by $640 billion over the next decade, according to news reports…. The Republican offer consists of roughly $542 billion in spending cuts and $3 billion in revenues, meaning the ratio of spending cuts to revenue increases in the plan is 181 to 1. These measures would also produce nearly $100 billion in debt-service savings. Democrats promptly rejected the new Republican offer as unbalanced.

When one includes the $900 billion in discretionary spending cuts already enacted in the Budget Control Act, the plan’s total deficit reduction rises to about $1.445 trillion, and its ratio of spending cuts to revenue increases rises to 481 to 1.

Hmm. So, Democrats would give up $542 billion in spending cuts and Republicans would give up $3 billion in revenue — not a penny of which would come from additional taxes on anyone, but rather, the end of a tax break currently enjoyed by corporate jet owners.

This, in the minds of GOP committee members, is a “compromise.”

GOP FAIL

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Well said words. Thank you. And one has to ask, “Why?” Why have they been so insistent that the Bush tax cuts become permanent, when those tax cuts have reeked such harm to the nation, as a whole? Afterall, as former U.S. Deputy Secretary of the Treasurer Bruce Bartlett has said, “If tax cuts were supposed to have created more jobs, then where are the jobs?”

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“Even the Leftwing nut cases like Chris Matthews are jumping ship on Comrade Obama… ”

you obviously missed the bulge in his pants he had for W …

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Speaking of jumping ship…

“George Will Excoriates Gingrich’s Influence Peddling: ‘He’s The Classic Rental Politician’”

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Let the bush tax cuts fade away. The economy did very well at the pre bush tax rate under Clinton.

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I see the Republican water-carriers are up early today. Not that I blame y’all—you know who will rightfully take the heat for this colossal failure.

And who in god’s name cites Britbart for anything? He willfully distorted “news” to assassinate a woman’s character and you’re still drinking from that well. Gross.

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JKL2

“Sounds like a good start to me.”

Why of course it does. We don’t expect better of you.

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Repubs were not serious which means dems can keep on blowing through trillions. Bush had a couple hundred billion deficit in ‘06, that jumped to 400 billion under Pelosi in ‘08 and 1.4 trillion under Pelosi and Obama. Those damn repubs !

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Jay, why did so many democrats vote to end the luxury tax on expensive cars and yachts ? The law was going to bring in billions from the greedy rich yacht buyers and then dems voted with repubs to give the rich yacht buyer a tax beak. Why do dems believe in tax breaks for the wealthy yacht owners like John Kerry ? Hell, John Kerry does not care what the tax rate is anyway since he was caught registering his yacht in a differant state to avoid his high tax state. But lets reinstate the luxury tax because a raise in tax rates means higher tax collections, that is a fact isn’t it ?

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If someone want’s to get out of debt, the first step is to cut up the credit cards and stop spending money.

And the second step is to pay off the balance on the card with interest. Something the Republicans refuse to do. Pay their bills. You know the ones. Unfunded wars. Unfunded tax cuts. Unfunded pescription drug company benefits…

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Fact. Cutting taxes does not increase tax revenues and tax revenues (call them all “fees” if it makes you feel better) are the only thing that pays the bills.

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The number one priority of the Republicans is the financial protection of the rich. It’s difficult to imagine how they could make this more obvious. And, because they are ready, willing and hoping the 2012 election will make them able, cutting Social Security, Medicare and Medicade will be a priority if this becomes necessary to protect the rich. The Republicans are not trying in any way to hide the fact they are the party of the rich and could not possibly care less for the middle class and poor. Why, because of this, they still have so many middle class supporters is beyond my understanding. Do millions of Americans have a “I want to be broke and out in the street” wish?

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JKL2 thinks that how a person handles a budget is the same as how a government should run a budget.

The Republican party induces a severe case of know-it-all-itis. They encourage average citizens to believe they know more about climate change based on a couple of googles than people who have spent years in the field and actually know what they’re talking about.

This is why they don’t care if Herman Cain is stupid. They really, really think that complex problems are created by lack of ideological political purity. I can see how this attracts certain personality types.

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Gale

November 21st, 2011
7:55 am
“::rolling eyes:: The mystery is that when a bunch of them get voted out for their gridlock practices, the next bunch rant about their -mandate- and proceed to do the very same thing. Partisan politics is a disease.”

And that’s the truth.

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Republican’s really not able to fact the truth, unless they are invading another country.

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Come on Bookman. Be objective. With all the gimmicks the democrats use to claim budget cuts, that is the headline you are going to use?

This blog needs to be moved to the Comics Section.

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I said it once and I will say it again, when leaders blame people for being out of work, they have no intention of creating jobs for that same populace; ala Newt Gingrich and Michelle Bauchman. For the last three years they have blamed President Obama for NOT creating jobs, now they tell OWS-ers and others, go get a job! Well if there are jobs to be gotten, why are they blaming the president? The curtain hiding the Wizard Republican Party has been ripped for all to see. Not only is deficit reduction not the intent of the Republican Party, neither is job creation.
According to Senator John Kerry who appeared on Meet the Press on Sunday, Republicans will admit off- the-record that they believe that they will win all three branches in 2012 and want to wait until then and do what they want to do.
I don’t think the OWS-ers that were insulted by Gingrich and Bauchman will be voting for that party. At least I hope not.

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Tax revenues are the only way, short of default, to pay down the Republican-created national debt. You know the one. The unfunded wars. The unfunded tax cuts that the Republicans had to limit to ten years in their own legislation because the CBO analysis showed they had to end in order to eventually be paid for by other people (you know, grandchildren and such). The unfunded prescription drug company benefit… Own up, Republicans. You cannot all walk away from your obligations like some of our Georgia Republicans have managed to do.

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1. Spending the same amount of money 10 years from now as we spend today would be called a 9 trillion dollar cut by Washington.

2,. The unfunded liability of Medicare alone is in the tens of trillions of dollars.

Given those 2 facts, I wouldn’t say “we have a spending problem” is just a bumper sticker slogan. Go ahead and end the Bush tax cuts for all Americans (Obama himself said that was a bad idea), and assuming it does no harm to the economy whatsoever you have done next to nothing in solving the problem. The left will be back for more almost immediately.

We live WAY beyond our means and the rich can’t bail us out. Deal with it.

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Jay, I thought you’d make more of an effort with such a big issue. You must be ready to eat some turkey!

Even though I disagree with virtually everything you stand for, at least this is one thing we can agree on.

Happy Thanksgiving.

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At least when the not-recently-bathed OWS person does gain access to a shower, the body odor will wash off. Gingrich and those that cheer his comments will never escape their stink.

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You mean, they could take my Tax Cut away by doing nothing? Well, kick my butt and call me Mimi! And here I was waiting for my next Tax Cut.

This is turning out to be disgusting. Danged libruls!

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“This blog needs to be moved to the Comics Section.”

hilarious

Jay, I’m 100% certain Romney is willing to move the ball down the field and compromise as necessary.

Only jay could call Romney a hard liner…..

Too funny

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Republican’s have cut taxes, started two wars, and then imploded the economy because “deficits don’t matter”…..

Gee what are they really going to do as long as the rich are happy ?

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Jay, First of all you completely bias wouldbe journlist Jay, the Democrats created this SuperCommittee in the first place and sucked the idiot Republicans in with it. This whole supercommittee has been a scam from the begining. THE DEMOCRATS WILL NEVER CUT SPENDING OR STOP PUSHING FOR TAX INCREASES OR AS SENATOR REID SAYS REVENUE INCREASES. When are you going to sart writing the truth or at lease the whole story instead of pieces. Jay you and the rest of the liberal progessive media are a bunch of liars. Could you putaway your democrat bias and report the real stories and help your Country America for once and stop the democrat owned mouthpiece for once. The Democrats will not cut spending and only want tax increases for us the middle class. Democrats are liars and the entire party has been brought and paid for by lobbyist and communist New World Order people like Soros and the Rlothchilds. Why don’t you ask Nancy Pelosi about her inside trading and using her Congressional job for the inside wallstreet trading deals. Or why the Obama administration gives billions of tax payers dollars to the enemies of America (PLO,Hamas,Hezbolluh,Muslim Brotherhood) thru the State Department with Hillary Clintons help. Why don’t you ask about all the corruption at the Chicago Hospital where Michelle Obama, Barrak Obama,David Axlerod, Jarriett, and other in his adimistration worked to throw out poor black people from southside Chicago. Where is you honesty. This Obama Communist adminstration is the MOST CORRUPT. And the Media is their Partners in Crime. And yes this means you Jay and the rest of the ajc staff.

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“For GOP, deficit reduction was never the goal in the first place”

This is my “shock and awe” face

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Our current President sat back and watched this precious “super committee” fail without event trying to intervene. There’s leadership for you.

Right Because an entire branch of government needs to be led by another branch. And of course, you know what is happening behind the scenes or in discussions.

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JM: Do you get paid to post arguments like this? If so, you should probably work – fast – on getting better at it. Because if you are, you’re bad at your job.

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TruthBe

“… communist New World Order people like Soros and the Rlothchilds.”

And there’s your card! Hey, TruthBe, whether you know it or not, the Rothschilds are yesterday’s news all around…you need to get a new canard for the cabal…

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Taxpayer

I find liberal insanity amusing and that’s about it

How’s my ankle biter doing? Fetch…..

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jm says that both parties are to blame for the supercommittee coming up empty.

When a rightie allows that both parties could be responsible … you know it’s mostly the GOP’s fault.

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When a rightie allows that both parties could be responsible … you know it’s mostly the GOP’s fault.

It’s called “fair and balanced”.

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Mr.Holmes you are a idiot.

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Jay, I’m 100% certain Romney is willing to move the ball down the field and compromise as necessary.

“Compromise” I thought Republicans replaced that word with “appeaser”.

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Face it cons….

You got taken.

And now the nation will blame you.

tee hee hee

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It would be interesting to know who is funding him, but in the name of protection he declines to provide any names.

As I said before: it would be more interesting for every Democrat at every level to run against Grover in the next election. Let’s make a single corporate lobbyist the face of the “just say no to helping the country” Republican Party and see how well they do.

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Tick…tick…tick….

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The AA President needs to be fired.

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Yellow card.

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“In other words, jm believes I shouldn’t make such claims about Romney based on flimsy evidence, such as the plain words out of Romney’s own mouth.”

Someone isn’t aware it’s election season.

You know libs are losing when they just declare you wrong and ridicule you. But they can’t and don’t refute the facts.

Hilarious. Vote R 2012.

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Why is it that so many on the right fail to understand this is a political blog, not a news report. And then they expect that they can accurately assess information presented when they cannot comprehend basic reality? I think not.

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I think Romney mispoke as I don’t know of any Republican who is against increased revenues. Against new taxes, yes, but not against revenue increases.

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Oh. And when Romney promises not to raise taxes, I call that under-promising for a moderate. Romney will over-deliver.

Vote Romney 2012. For prosperity and freedom.

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Jay, Prove what I wrote wasn’t the truth. Jay you know that the democrats won’t cut spending or stop pushing for taxes. And this Obama administration is full of CORRUPTION. An the mainstreet media is completely full of BS and bias. Ajc included Jay.

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Looks like we have yet another radical right winger all fired up from listening to too much right wing talk show trash and is ready to take on a left winger with a display of facts and verifiable proof with no hyperbole or emotional outbursts. Ready to show his work, even.

Now come on, truthbe told, ^^^ that’s ^^^ comedy gold. Right!

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RB. Don’t expect liberals to acknowledge the absurdity in Jays arguments…

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you know that the democrats won’t cut spending or stop pushing for taxes. And this Obama administration is full of CORRUPTION. An the mainstreet media is completely full of BS and bias.

Well that hit just about all the points, except maybe Obama being a Marxist Kenyan usurper.

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You know libs are losing when they just declare you wrong and ridicule you. But they can’t and don’t refute the facts.

A Republican posting facts. Now that’s funny. The comedy is just overwhelming this morning.

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Jay 9:14
Oh I will acknowledge I’m not the oracle and I might be wrong. But I obviously think it’s unlikely.

Yes, I think Romney isn’t being perfectly honest. BTW. How are those hope and change promises going, and that Obama promise to cut the deficit in more than half by the end of his first term?

Not swimmingly well, I would note.

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Holmes, If you want to add that, that’s okay with me. Obama and his adminstration are corrupt and all of you know it. No morals in the media and no truth from they either.

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Lets see…… Siga Technologies. Ring a bell, libs? Seems that Ronald Perelman, the controlling stock holder of the company donated about 300K to Bozo’s re-election campaign and also donated about 50K to his Immacualtion. Siga is the company who, without competitive bidding, was given a 453M dollar loan guarantee by the Democrats to supply us with small pox vaccine. This vaccine has never been tested and approved by the FDA, and we already have about 1B dollars worth of small pox vaccine but that’s OK, now we have about 1.7M additional doses, supplied at about 3X the cost provided by other manufacturers. Seems like the last fatality from small pox was about 40 yrs ago world wide.
This is the kind of idiotic spending that Republicans want to curtail. Nothing but political payback to a big donor for a product that we do not need, not bid by another company and a a price that is insane. And you wonder why we don’t want taxes raised.

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‘No morals in the media and no truth from they either.’

And, from what media sources does TruthBe acquire its information?

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Obama and his adminstration are corrupt and all of you know it.

Actually no. I don’t know it. And you don’t either–though I have no doubt you want to believe it. There is something you and a great many of your like-minded friends should learn, and it is this: Just saying something, no matter how often or loudly you say it, does not make it true.

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Aquagirl

I’m still waiting for “Solyndra.”

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Well, I appreciate you thinking I’m the oracle.

Reading other people’s mind is not your forte.

Don’t quit your day job.

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As Granny has already highlighted, the Republicans signed on to the legislation that included those default tax hikes and DoD cuts and NO cuts in social security or medicare or medicaid once, er um, I mean, in case, the supercommittee failed. Perhaps the Republicans did find a way around Grover and Grover is just too stoopid to realize it. Then again, that’s certainly not the only possible explanation. That was a most excellent piece of work by the Democrats and Obama. Now we just havin’ fun with you Republicans just so we can watch you squirm and wriggle.

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This blog is hilarious. It’s nothing but pointing fingers and blaming each other. Popcorn – the breakfast of champions.

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“Don’t quit your day job.”–Koatchek

Why not? We can just go get welfare/food stamps and live on Jay’s blog like you do.

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Actuall the Republican’s priority is neither defict redxuction nor tax breaks for the rich. Their game plan since the eighties has been to defund the government to the point of crisis so they can say, “see, we can’t aford social seurity and medicare, etc.” They have achieved the crisis they had been looking for, which is totally artificial and of their own making, and are calling in their chips. The sooner Americans see their game of backdoor cuts to entitlements (they know they can’t openly peddle that crap, see Paul Ryan’s plan) the sooner we can start getting back on track.

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Crybaby ex-Marines. How sad.

I suspected from the get-go that the men in this super-duper-gooper committee were not going to have the moral courage to accomplish anything.

The legacy of Newt Gingrich – never, ever, ever compromise.

And the worst government that dirty money can buy…

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Does Jay’s “cease the personal attacks” threat apply to eveyone or just the people who call him out on his Leftwing/Socialist garbage?

People you would certainly consider to be left-wingers have been sent to the penalty box. Don’t let that interrupt your butthurt fest.

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Um. Headline is not factually correct.

Um, yes it was.

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byteme- JKL2 thinks that how a person handles a budget is the same as how a government should run a budget.

Demwits in congress have shown they don’t possess the ability to produce a budget. How can you ever expect to reduce the deficit when you have no concept of basic accounting. We know this add and subtract stuff is tough, but it still works.

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This is your brain….

Now, This is your brain on drugs and a junk food diet…
“People you would certainly consider to be left-wingers have been sent to the penalty box. Don’t let that interrupt your butthurt fest.”–Aquagirl

…just say no!

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My comment at 9:27 was gold, pure gold, and not one poster on here stopped bickering long enough to even acknowledge it’s depth of profundity and accuracy. :>)

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The Democrats have a fixation for tax increases on the wealthy. As far as spending cuts the Democrats on the committee couldn’t agree among themselves, so when the Republican committee members put forth their proposal that offered revenue increase through tax reform and closing loopholes the Dem’s weren’t prepared to offer up a counter proposal of their own. Now their running around trying to peddle this bunk that the Republicans are to blame for this failure. BTW…where’s the president while this foolishness goes on? Why he’s off pretending that he’s leader of the free world and thinking that he has an effective campaign strategy blaming Republicans for the super committee’s failure. He wants it to fail because getting reelected is far more important to him than solving this nations economic crises.

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If I get in credit card debt over my head what do I do. Well, I cut back on my spending as much as possible without depriving my family of basic needs then I go get a part-time job on Saturday and pay that additional income toward my credit cards.

That is the only way to get out of debt and it applies to families and to countries. It is not possible to spending cut alone your way out of debt.

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Jay, you can make cuts without raising taxes…anyone with a 5th grade education knows this. It doesn’t have to be both. The goal is lower the debt and cut big government, which in turn cuts spending. Raising taxes gives big government more to spend…not necessary.

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This should be simple.

R’s and D’s should coax as much revenue as possible out of the American people, making the case that the money spent will benefit them more than if they spent it themselves. Based on how successful they were at that, they spend the money and government grows or shrinks. The American people then decide if the amount spent was worth the services received, and either send more or less to Washington or demand that the same amount be spent in a somewhat different way. The process repeats.

How did we get away from that? We got away from that by have non-discretionary parts of our government that did not trigger automatic tax increases when the costs inevitably rose. We have a “defined benefit” but no possible way to pay for it. This final result was inevitable. Spending other people’s money, whether it belongs to a future generation or the “rich”, is as addictive as crack.

240 years…..it was a great run.

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Jm: 7-1 is not 100% spending cuts, and includes no further or continuing tax cuts.

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Canada then topped the G7 growth rate tables for a decade

Are you really citing those socialist-welfare commies who pass out healthcare to everyone?

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If you missed Ron Paul handing Bob Schieffer his hat yesterday, you missed a good one. Schieffer, as with other left wing “journalists” are not interested in finding out what the candidate stands for or exploring their views….. only making them look bad. And Schieffer found out yesterday that with Ron Paul, that was not so easy a task. Ron Paul made him look like the “pseudo journalist” that he is.

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Grover has punked the GoP’ers. They are scared of a 4′5 nothing man that’s playing them like puppets. Grover and the rest of the GoP has no interest in supporting the middle class, only to protect the golden goose, corporate america and the wealthy. I forgot, corporations are people too…….dumb.

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Return to the tax rates of the 50s, America’s finest decade.

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I lurk in here periodically and I normally see the same people arguing over the same things. It appears to me that the country is angry with our entire administration regardless of lib/con bend. It is time to give up the party line and do what is right for the people. we need smaller government that is less intrusive in our lives and our business. For goodness sake, people Boo-ed Obama’s wife at a sporting event. That should tell you the discontent among average americans, regardless of their background.

Neither party is right in this fight 100%. I wish for my children that we would pass a balanced budget ammendment that LIMITED the power of our government to decide the winners and losers in our society.

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I don’t know which is funnier: the current converstation or the weekend conversation about toilet seats

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We have a massive debt and deficit. You can cut spending, but still have that massive, yes massive, debt that republicans seem so concerned about. There is no way we can cut enough to pay down that debt without increased revenue. It is simple math. If you really care about the debt then you would have no problem with increased revenue. I heave heard a lot of talk about shared sacrifice, but the only ones I see that republicans want to share in that sacrifice are the poor, elderly and children. While saying those that could afford to sacrifice the most should pay even less.

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True: “It takes a special kind of idiot to continue to grow spending while revenues are shrinking. See Bookman for reference.”

Hey Einstein, couldn’t agree more. It takes quite an idiot to keep expanding a military empire while shifting the burden of that spending to an increasingly strapped and job-less multitude.

But history is littered with the ruins of idiot regimes.

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You sound like someone who hasn’t accomplished much in life. Sorry about that.

Now now, let’s not get ad hominem. After all, you don’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about.

But what about the truth value of my statement? That’s what you have no answer to, and thus you try to change the subject.

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Yep. Cause they make America’s conservatives look like liberals.

Let me know when you find a presidential candidate that’ll take a 7-1 ratio, since all your boys and girls said 10-1 was unacceptable.

So much for your idea America’s cons are more conservative than Canadian cons. NEXT!

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kamchak- How can you expect us to take Republicans seriously when Cheney said that Reagan proved that deficits don’t matter?

It didn’t matter at the time because we didn’t have much on the credit card. Now that the card is maxed out and the bank (China) is telling us we need to cool it, times have changed. The obama plan of turning the dollar into a peso and spending our way out of debt isn’t going to be good.

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Jm: Herman Cain looks like a freaking genius next to Obama.

Let’s see… um… Libya…..

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LOL!

Matthews sees the lightweights.

Obama’s netrooters are virtually “little kids with propellers on their heads.”

AMEN?

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“But what about the truth value of my statement? That’s what you have no answer to, and thus you try to change the subject”

Truth value of your statements? Can’t find any truth value in nonsensical ideological rants but you go ahead and enjoy yourself anyway.

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Mary E.: And one has to ask, “Why?” Why have they been so insistent that the Bush tax cuts become permanent, when those tax cuts have reeked such harm to the nation, as a whole?

Because they are owned lock, stock, and barrel, by “Big Business” and they are nothing more than paid trollops who flounce on their backs everytime BB tells them to. BB’s sole purpose is to MAKE MONEY for THE COMPANY and it’s board members. PERIOD. They are not interested in the common good of the nation. they are not intersted in the after effects of their mandates and products and what it does to the populace (see Toyota, Merck, etc.). They are only interested in MONEY. The USA could fall in a gutter along the wayside and turn overnight into a 3rd world country, BB wouldn’t care. They’d just hop onto their private corporate jets and set up shop in another country. Preferably one that has zero interest in the common good of their country and only has the interest of their leaders at heart.

When people talk about the book of Revelations — I’m beginning to believe more and more that the W##ho$re of Babylon, (the one who seduces all the nations), is really BBs / money.

Afterall, as former U.S. Deputy Secretary of the Treasurer Bruce Bartlett has said, “If tax cuts were supposed to have created more jobs, then where are the jobs?”

Precisely.

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WttO: Germany. Don’t forget Germany.

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Obama and the Democrats took the Republican do nothings to the woodshed and handed them a good old fashioned can of whooparse with that legislation that created the supercommittee and, most importantly, the default defense spending cuts and tax hikes and NO CUTS in social security or medicare or medicaid. When Grover finally figures out what happened, will the poor fella’s face turn beet red. In fact, I suspect the only reason he’s showing up more on talk shows and talking so boisterously is that he’s finally starting to figure out just how big a can of whooparse that was. Now he’s just trying to vent some of that anger.

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Herman Cain: “We need a leader, not a reader”

What do you expect from a guy who lifted his tax plan from SimCity?

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“Does Jay’s “cease the personal attacks” threat apply to eveyone or just the people who call him out on his Leftwing/Socialist garbage? ”

Jay’s poutrage over commenters behavior is every bit as biased as his political views.

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“What do you expect from a guy who lifted his tax plan from SimCity?”

x 100

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They are all a bunch of a-holes! The goal of all of the “super committee” was to NOT produce a deal & thus drive down the price of stocks. Then they can go on a buying spree & two months later, miraculously produce a deal. Then, their stocks values increase & these a-holes pocket even more undeserved dollars. We … the American people ….. are the biggest idiots to continually reelect the same dolts & send them to Washington to collect their ridiculous paychecks!

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Adam 10:05
Oh, they’ll matter to you one day. Yes they will…. Yes they will….

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Jm: Thanks for making my point. Like I said, Herman Cain is a genius when compared to Obama.

That is just so full of stupidity and ignorance that is amplified by the fact that you don’t realize how stupid and ignorant it is.

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jm

Get your civics in order please, congress makes laws and the president enforces. Your obama hate is showing and its getting ugly…

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For all Republican’s….. All know it was impossible to start 2 wars and cut taxes….. Pure baloney, now the nation suffers from the mistakes of the GOP administration of the past, as “deficits do matter” !

The GOP has never had the balls to own up to mistakes or do the Right thing financially…. The GOP created the debt in the Bush administration, and now the answer is to cut all American’s have paid into….. SS and medicare.

There will be no cutting the defense budget, since they protect corporate America around the globe.

If you vote Republican, and are not rich……wow you are being swindled !

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Cain also gets his motivational message poems for Republican debates from Pokeman! Now that is “Presidential” for the republicans!

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Woe is us! We’re so misunderstood! And so unfairly treated!

You gotta love the Republican Cult of Victimhood.

To paraphrase a line from As Good As It Gets, “How do I write Republicans so well? I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.”

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midori

Don’t know about you, but I got a lot more of substance from the toilet seat discussion!

I don’t get much of a chance to hang out with the day crew…whew! They does take theyselves seriously!

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Once again, we pretend not to know the GOP’s #1 priority; make Obama a 1 term President. Everything else is driven by that.

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I didnt know the president was on the supercommittee?

Ive noticed that when they ” cut, cut, cut” , the unemployment rate goes ” up, up, up”. Of couse when the party that yells ” cut, cut, cut ” main purpose is to make the president a one-termer, that is more than a coincidence.

I mean why take economic advice from a party that thinks pizza is a vegatable.

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The modern Republican Party and Grover Norquist were cloned from Newt’s stem cells. Pompous, arrogant, self-serving, greedy and quite willing to wreck havoc on this country in the service of their immense egos and crazed orthodoxy.

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“They’d demolish the filibuster the second doing such a thing would be possible and advantageous to their cause.”

The filibuster is a Senate Rule, not a a law…and it takes 67 votes to change Senate rules

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Oh, they’ll matter to you one day. Yes they will…. Yes they will….

How cruel of jm to leave us in suspense with the ellipsis card. Now I’ll never know if that sentence was supposed to end with “my precious!” or “you and your little dog too!”

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Josef,
“I don’t get much of a chance to hang out with the day crew…whew! They does take theyselves seriously!”

…and I believe the really radical ones don’t have a job. That’s the real reason they don’t want to tax the rich. They HOPE that way they will get a job and CHANGE their current situation…hope and change is good…ha

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It’s apparent to me that Jm is one of the (ahem) 1% since he’s fighting so hard for continuing tax breaks for the wealthy. Listen to Mitt Romney, the leading candidate of the 1%…Corporations are people, additional tax breaks for the wealthy/corporations will create jobs and correct the course of the economy…that’s 1% speak for–”You, 99%, will pay for the debacle caused by banks and Wall Street. You–99% will lose social safety nets like SS, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, quality public schools,public safety etc. And in return for your sacrifice, the “real” Americans, i.e. the 1%, will keep assuring you that their wealth will eventually trickle down to you. And that’s a promise.”

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Since 1980, the goal of Republicans and ALL conservatives is to eliminate the middle class in America and turn it into a fascist plutocratic oligarchy…..where the 1% has 100% control of the wealth, and the remaining 99% (including every conservative in Georgia) will be slaves and serfs…If that isn’t class warfare, I don’t know what is..!!!! That’s OK, though, as long as the 1% are Christians…isn’t that right..!?!?

Conservatives don’t want to cut spending..they want to take federal help away from seniors, the disabled, veterans, and children and give it to their FAT CAT defense contractor, energy contractor, and Wall Street buddies….I just don’t get it…don’t really see how it lowers the deficit…don’t see how it’s good for America….

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I have several around my table who would be more than happy to do the leading for you.

I have little doubt. Alas, desire and ability are not synonyms. Take comfort in the fact that you could simply tell yourself they know what they’re doing, and in your world that would make it true.

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JkL2

Ford was a “great man?” Yeah, sure…whatever…

Normal…

Now if Soros and the Rothschilds would just start to pay them for totin water for the rich! Socialism and capitalism working hand-in-hand, eh?

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Thomas .. the problem Obama inherited will take 8- 10 years according to economists to get up back on track.

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Jm accusing others of “melting down” . More from the trolling comedian, jm.

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3 Years- how long does Obama need?

Seeing as how this was 30 years in the making, I don’t see how this will turn around overnight

But keep on believing it when talk-radio says that it can be.

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And where are those jobs that the GOP campaigned on in the last election.

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Republicans offered to raise taxes by $200B this round.

And jm has proof. Now where is that linkee. I know it was here just a minute ago.

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“You’re clearly not living in the same reality as the rest of us.”–Adam

LOL! Says the professional “Blogster” living in the Jay Bookman Blogosphere.

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JKL2: What the person in charge needs to be is a leader. No one person can know everything. That’s why the government pays all of these subject matter experts (SME’s). It’s when we get a know-it-all like obama who doesn’t listen to anyone things go to he!!.

This argument is going to turn right back around and be countered by the very same people who tout it as soon as they see someone who isn’t 100% qualified in all the ways they want. You’re making this argument only because of the situation you find your precious Republican candidates in. Although you are correct, you’re still going to completely disavow this argument if it suits your purposes better later on.

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Granny Godzilla

November 21st, 2011
8:02 am
You liberals sure are funny except when you are behind closed doors in a smoke filled room ramming laws down the throats of all Americans. I know you need to raise taxes because you need the money to buy off more democratic congressmen.

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Just change the tax code. That’s all it will take. Make it easier to handle, more fair to the taxpayer, close the loopholes that allow those who make more to hide more, increase revenue to the government and start paying off this insane debt.

If only Paul Ryan would offer such a thing, in writing, without tossing in a corresponding reduction in the tax rates in order to remain revenue reducing.

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Taxpayer
Do your own reading and research

Google is your friend.

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jm

Why don’t we just ask canada to pick up our defense tab for four years? You really are a few cards short today…

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Peter: There will be no cutting the defense budget, since they protect corporate America around the globe.

BINGO!! that’s the bottom line right there!! If only people would ask themselves some of these questions:

1. What was the REAL reason we would go to war over Kuwait when Kuwait isn’t even one of our “territories”? Why don’t countries like Kuwait have their own armies to protect their borders?

2. What was the REAL reason we were told lies about Iraq?

3. Why did some so readily believe that the Iraq war would “Pay for itself”?

4. If it is for “Humanitarian” reasons that we are STILL in Afghanistan, then why are we not in countries like Equatorial Guinea (HINT: OIL, Burkina Faso, Algeria, China, Zimbabwe, North Korea, etc.

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smoke filled room ramming laws down the throats of all Americans

Whoohooo! I had “squicky con deep throat obsession” in the center square, BINGO!!!!!

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Do your own reading and research.

That says it all.

Fact free flatulence and fiercely proud of the aroma!

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Apparently Obama can’t run DC

Well. Too bad. Time to fire him.

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Jm,

Defend your own lies. Google is not your friend. Now where are those Republican tax hikes.

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Once again a narrow minded one-sided look at all things political from Mr. Cut and Paste. Jay, why must we Raise Taxes to Increase Revenue? If we get more people back to work we will have more Revenue, if we eliminate loophles that allow GE to make Billions in profit without paying 1 cent in taxes, We will Increase Revenue, same thing for the top tax bracket, and hell we can even Reduce the rate, and by eliminating loopholes and some deductions; Increase Revenue. No this is all about Class warfare and power,. The Democrats lost some power, may lose more and they are resorting to the age old Class Warfare argument of “paying their FAIR share”. This government is bloated and needs to be reduced in size, entitlements must be reformed, so where was our Observer in Chief as this deadline approached? Once again we have a failure to LEAD.

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With The Obama’s great leadership (sarc) on debt reduction I can’t believe his debt panel and this super committee have failed.

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Jay, why must we Raise Taxes to Increase Revenue? If we get more people back to work we will have more Revenue

You’re not going to get anyone back to work via the idiotic austerity measures the Goopers insist upon.

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How many times have you heard that Social Security and Medicare are not sustainable? Take a look at this chart of military spending and tell me if you think this is sustainable. Notice the change in trajectory when George W. Bush took office. Notice the amount of interest we’re paying just on military debt from prior years. This is the heart and soul of the Republican Party.

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Take a good look at this chart. This is how much we spend on the military for each and every person living in the U.S.! Nearly $4,000.00 per person!

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adam- Because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.”

Here’s your sign.

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Soothsayer

Don’t worry. Poor people and no one other than the upper middle class pays for the military.

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The supercommittee did exactly what it was configured to do — pass time so the defaults could kick in as Obama and the Democrats planned, much to the GOP’s chagrin. The Bush tax cuts will expire and defense spending will get cut and social security, medicare and medicaid will not be cut. Republicans will be licking their wounds for quite some time. They are an embarrassment to Grover. Has anyone else noticed how much less boisterous McConnell has been. And Cantor, amongst others.

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Perhaps those who believe their task is to “harass” those who don’t share their exact views might want to reconsider their purpose. “Harassment” does not mean coherent, logical or credible to the likes of those who consider that their pupose apparently. But that does seem to be the only purpose of many of the right wingnuts and some self-identified “independents”.

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If I were on a con blog I’d be telling them global warming is real, tax cuts don’t net net create more revenue, and that religious principles don’t belong in government, and their surveillance police state us bad for freedom.

And if you took that job in Singapore, you could do all that and more on their high speed internet.

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DebbieDoRight

“Peter: There will be no cutting the defense budget, since they protect corporate America around the globe.

BINGO!! that’s the bottom line right there!! If only people would ask themselves some of these questions:

WRONG: Out of all of the things that this government does, defense of this country is one of it not the only one authorized by the constitution.

1. What was the REAL reason we would go to war over Kuwait when Kuwait isn’t even one of our “territories”? Why don’t countries like Kuwait have their own armies to protect their borders?

Answer: Kuwait’s tiny army got overrun by Iraqi forces and reached out for help.

2. What was the REAL reason we were told lies about Iraq?

Answer: Lies, really we know Saddam had weapons of Mass destruction because we gave him most of them, during Iraq’s war with Iran. Bad move on our part but hardly a lie.

3. Why did some so readily believe that the Iraq war would “Pay for itself”?

Answer: Who knows, politicians make stupid claims all the time, no war ever pays for itself, but that does not mean that they should not be fought. Think of it this way, If we catch and convict a bank robber, and he serves his punishment, and has a set of guidelines (parole) to follow; but choses not to. Do we let him continue to do what he wants or do we punish him again?

4. If it is for “Humanitarian” reasons that we are STILL in Afghanistan, then why are we not in countries like Equatorial Guinea (HINT: OIL, Burkina Faso, Algeria, China, Zimbabwe, North Korea, etc.

Answer: It’s not humanitarian, but we did go in and eliminate the Government, so we have an obligation to stabilize the country as best we can, and then get out. We cannot and should not try to nation build in Afgahanistan.

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Keep

Don’t worry. You guys won’t think outside your boxes no matter how much you are poked or prodded.

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This is the heart and soul of the Republican Party.

Unfortunately, this is, too. Sickening.

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JM,

We are of the same cloth. I understand at least 51% of voters fall into the same category…being socially liberal and fiscally conservative. The religious right needs be castrated as well as those 2nd amendment wingnuts insisting that bearing arms is necessary as I guess the British are coming again.

The current mortgage crisis is 100% politically motivated mostly by Clintonesque liberal promoting an extortion campaign against lenders to democratize capital. Under threat of legal action, lenders where forced to put trillions of dollars in play for non-credit worthy minorities and low income folks. Five trillion is the latest number….

Us in the 10% already pay 73% of the taxes…how much more do liberals pushing the democratization of capital want us to pay???

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king of all- make Obama a 1 term President. Everything else is driven by that.

The obama presidency is much like the previous Senator obama legacy. He’s too busy campaigning to actually do anything. It’s hard to believe the Demwits are SOOOO gullible “it’s Bush’s fault” still works as their campaign slogan after having been in charge for so long.

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Democrats are pushing for tax cuts now (see Durbin statements)

The absurdity of democrats…..

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So I’m looking in vain here for where Jm addresses my challenge to him to explain his erroneous assertion that the European crisis is about countries like Spain running up debts and living “beyond their means”.

What’s the matter, Jm? Don’t have anything to offer on that one? Can I then conclude that you’re conceding the point?

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“Not intended to be a factual statement.’

The childish mind is cute but totally out of touch with reality.

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Debbie- Wasn’t the deficit a BIG problem back in, say……2006, 2007 and 2008 BEFORE Obama won the election?

Yes it was. Bush’s biggest problem was that he wasn’t conservative. TARP and Med D worth both terrible. obama has extended on both those and still has the checkbook in his hand looking for more.

PS: When exactly was it the Democrats took control of Congress? I keep forgetting that…

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From 1940-80 the wealthiest Americans paid between 70% and 90% in income taxes
and that’s how we built…the American Dream. Between 1940-80 we fought and paid for WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, we built our US Interstate Expressway system, Roads, Electrical Grid, Telephone, our main Bridges and Tunnels; we Made every Car we Drove and we wore just the Clothes we Sewed and WE WENT TO THE MOON SIX TIMES-AND WE PAID FOR IT ALL!
http://thedixiedove.com/

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“So I’m looking in vain here for where Jm addresses my challenge to him to explain his erroneous assertion that the European crisis is about countries like Spain running up debts and living “beyond their means”.”–Welcome to the occupation

I guess “Welcome to the Occupation” is still high on dope down at the Occupy Wall Street circus.

What’s the matter, don’t you read the news? Do you really need JM as your personal Google?

Put down the junk food and TV and start reading more; you will learn a lot.

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TAXPAYER,

Thanks for your bait. The information based bias you suffer from results in name calling and likely shout downs…neither of which are legitimate debate points. The fact that you seem to believe every position supported by liberal media, economists, and elected officials suggests you are not worthy of independent thought…

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adam- This argument is going to turn right back around and be countered by the very same people who tout it as soon as they see someone who isn’t 100% qualified in all the ways they want

obama wasn’t qualified to tie his own shoes when he took office but that didn’t seem to matter. Now the Democrats are all worried about the experience level of someone on the other side they would never vote for anyway. Thanks for your faux concern. Try worrying about the people your voting for.

Next time try voting on “content of character” rather than the color of their skin.

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Hey, listen! If things get tough and you’re stranded for a talking point, drag out the CRA! Even that horse has been flogged to death a 100 times over on this blog.

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TAXPAYER,

If you can’t dispute the fact that 10% of us pay 73% of the taxes, please tell me how much more we should pay to continue spending beyond our means on unnecessary wars, welfare programs, and every other politicized DC decisions? Should we simply pay 100%?

Also, the billionaires are mosting those of inheritance…how exactly would you redistribute their hard assets? Perhaps they should donate their homes to that percentage of those in OWS who simply want handouts and don’t see that our financial problems are 100% political?

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Just say no to the Spendacrats

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I think it’s funny that Jay thinks Romney torpedoed the deficit committee.

What a joke. The guy doesn’t even currently hold political office and he throws a Romney update to support his point?

Weak weak weak.

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Humorous.

The blog’s quasi-fascist paragon of misinformation cries for more attention from me, whilst telling me to “go elsewhere”. Mixed signals?

(I think he doesn’t like me much…)

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DIXIEDOVE,

Your math and assumptions about the rich financing all those things is one of the more ridiculous statements I’ve read yet…I suggest you research the proportion of taxes from 1950 to 2006 (latest data available) paid by income bracket. You may be shocked at what you see….I can supply the sites (IRS et al) where you can find this….

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Leave it to JKL2 and USMC to try to do their lame race baiting routine, again.

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They chose to go small.

I thought they would cut 1.5 trillion.

I thought wrong.

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What work do you want me to show?

It would take a little preparation on your part, Stevie. For example, you might have to read the article. Then you would have to post some linkees of your own to support you claims regarding who pays all those taxes. Afterward, we might actually establish a basis for a real exchange.

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I’m calling the horsecr@p card on this. The repugs closed loopholes on the taxes of the upper income people that would raise revenue 500 + billion over that span, and looking for more comprompise from the dumocrats. The dumocrats insist on repealing the bush tax cuts, pushing through another 1/2 trillion in stimulus plus increasing taxes. It’s a hell of a note when the dumocrats have convinced their constituants to vote themselves tax increases.

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Soothsayer

November 21st, 2011
10:46 am
The constitution says we will have a Navy. So do you want to put all the military under one branch? Sobeit! Do you work for a corporation? I hope all you liberals on this blog have your own business and do not need the services or goods provided by any evil corporation–because that would make all of you a hypocrite expotentially.

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Yawn

If Obama wins (which he might) god help us

To summarize jm – his brain is being deprived of oxygen so his autonomic responses kick in, in vain. He returns to his regularly scheduled programming. Oh well, I think I’ll get outside and enjoy the warm November weather.

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Right on cue, the markets are collapsing again.

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USMC
November 21st, 2011
11:16 am

“Next time try voting on “content of character” rather than the color of their skin.”–JKL2

You are talking to Democrats here JKL2… They only see life through skin color, gender, sexual orientation, etc.; IDENTITY politics if you will.”

REALLY?? If that’s the case, why is it that REPUBLICANS don’t campain in the inner city…don’t consider minorities as CONSTITUENTS…and create policy that does everything to MARGINALIZE minorities???? Who’s actually permeating IDENTITY politics here!! At the last GOP Convention….there were only 125 black delegates…..the numbers speak for themselves!!

“Don’t ask Liberal democrats to use critical thinking skills; the unions and welfare givers don’t pay them to think” That dog don’t hunt here!! Herman Cain is indicative of the Republican dogma here!!!

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TAXPAYER,

You will really dig this one:

1965: Defense Spending/GDP=7.4%; Entitlements/GDP 2.5%
2010: Defense Spending/GDP 5%; Entitlements 10%

The fun part is that the 2010 number is only the very front end of accomodating the booming babies coming into retirement….

Want more?

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WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM NOT A REVENUE PROBLEM….GET IT !!!!!!
We can explain economics and capitalism’s formulation for tax revenues till we are blue in the face and LIBERALS like JAY will remain in a state of denial.
Tell me just what “pledge” the Dem’s have taken to try and save this economy…none, just like always pander to the idiots that think we cannot fail and keep themselves in power. This is just sad…collective insanity, the tick kills the dog and you blame the dog for not having enough blood.

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I’m sorry, but TruthBe’s a hoot!

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Stevie Ray,

Tax rates on the wealthiest have dropped from 30 percent to 18 percent on the money that the wealthiest bother to report as income while their after tax earnings have corresponding grown by several hundred percent over the same time period. What more do you want. Will you ever be satisfied. Do you want to see people here in the US selling organs as some do in India. Your selfishness knows no bounds, does it. Twenty five hedge fund managers made an average of one billion dollars each in one year and you not only think that they earned it but that they pay too much taxes even if it is as low as one percent in some cases. So, what do your links say about that. Does it tell us all about how half of the wage earners pay no income tax in any given year and therefore they are bums. My daughter paid no income taxes last year on the few thousand dollars she earned while working a part-time minimum wage job and attending college full time but she did pay her payroll taxes and got no tax credits. I’m sure she is just the most horrible person in the world to someone like you. Right. Am I right.

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Jm: “I don’t bother with commies. You have no cred. Only Germany is in decent fiscal shape. Go look it up.”

Somehow with you I don’t get the idea that I’m conversing with someone who knows the first thing about how the modern global economy works. Must be the whiff of backwoods American folk-anti-commie hysteria that’s unmistakable.

Look – newsflash for the rubes! – Germany, like all major industrial nations, runs HUGE budget deficits (try north of 75% of GDP). It like the United States can borrow at dirt cheap because national markets know they won’t default. But the debt they carry is massive, because that’s what this global economy is based on.

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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2011/11/supercommittee_and_bush_tax_cuts_a_10_year_old_blunder_doomed_deficit_reduction.html

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TAXPAYER,

Your beef remains weak. Go the table 6 of link previously sent. You will see that from 1980 when the top 1% paid 19% of total taxes. In 2009 they paid 36% almost double. What is the source of your data? Mine is IRS.

Don’t put words in my mouth relative to referring to those who pay no taxes as bums. Only the % of those who knowingly take advantage of handouts are bums….have no idea how many that represents.

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hdb- Who’s actually permeating IDENTITY politics here!

Democrats, the party of segregation and class envy. I thought we were all supposed to be equal. It’s the left who keeps pointing out the color of my skin and how I’m not like them.

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TAXPAYER,

Calling me selfish without knowing me, as well as assuming I my thoughts about Hedge Fund managers who create no value, or your most dramatic comment about folks needing to donate organs to survive are symptoms of your inability to stay on topic. You can ostracize the top 400 all you want but no amount of taxes you can assign to them will be a blemish on an elephants zit toward solving our problem. May make you feel better “sticking it” to these evil doers but satisfying your insecure emotions of hate will do nothing to address the topic at hand.

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Taxpayer:

Your daughters tax-break was received by you claiming her as dependent.

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We have two separate problems.

One is the accumulated deficits that now total $15.0 trillion. In the last 30 years due to assorted tax cuts and annual spending increases the national debt has increased $14.7 trillion.

The other problem is the deficits we continue to run year after year.
We can probably find a way to cut the deficits we run annually down to close to zero.
But that has no effect on the accumulated deficits of $15.0 trillion.

At present all the conversation is about deficits. Which is OK, that should come first.

But only cutting $1.2 trillion in spending over 10 years is a joke and everyone knows it. And we will do some number close to the $1.2 trillion. It will be reduced downward as most of the defense cuts will be taken out at the request of the defense industry lobbyists. So we will get about $800 billion in spending reductions. An even bigger joke.

And we will extend the Bush/Obama Tax Cuts and add back that $2.5 trillion to the deficit. And that will give us a Net Increase in the deficits of $1.3 trillion over the period.

Does any of this make sense?

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“The only think (thing) that is ‘reeking harm to the nation’ is the existence of a majority of takers in this society. Those who contribute little, but take much.”
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Believing this way is accepting propaganda that is on the airwaves. Resist believing propaganda with knowledge. For instance, those who receive Social Security and Medicare benefits have paid into those programs for years. That is not being a “taker” in society. That is simply recognizing that government can be an asset, not a liability to us, if we collectively pool our resources, wisely, for our common good. These programs need to be improved, but not eliminated for the mutual benefit of most Middle Class Americans.

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Note to DebbieDoRight @ 10:58 a.m.

Debbie said, “So when you say ‘you are battling the wrong enemy’ you’re just wasting your breath!”

Oh, but Debbie. . .you know I can’t just give up. . .and, afterall, “Hope will always Spring Eternal!”

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ACER706,

You must read Throw Them all Out by Peter Schweizer…the unlimited corruption by all in Washington that is exposed in this book ($14.99 on Nook) is the most important political writing of the past 20 years (IMO). After I read the first time, I concluded that the corruption in Russian politics has nothing on us….excepting ours is better disguised…Check it out.

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TAXPAYER….control to TAXPAYER….are you there TAXPAYER? If you remain gone for more that 24 hours we can officially report you as missing person.

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The only think that is “reeking harm to the nation” is the existence of a majority of takers in this society. Those who contribute little, but take much.

The takers? Like the bankers who received gigantic taxpayer bailouts from their buddies in Treasury and now turn around and line their pockets by lending it out at higher rates?

What, did I lose you already?

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GETALIFE,

What exactly are we debating here? Are you simply making sweeping generalizations about a group of folks who disagree with your politics or do you have something of meaning…or at least creatively stimulating to say???

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Actually, INCREASING the deficits is a GOP goal.

Anything to Starve the Beast.

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Someone can boo the first lady if they want to.

Yes, someone can be a no-class, no-count redneck a-hole if they want to. And that’s what I’d call anyone who’d boo Laura Bush in public as well.

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You liberal socialists think the cons have expertise on collapsing a global economy? Take a look at Europe’s collective economy and see how well Hope and Change is going to work here.

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truther,

My hands are clean.

stevie,

Yes your side has no credibility on anything.

Fact.

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Northern Europe is doing fine, Perot.

Its your proto-fascist conservatives in Southern Europe that are suffering. Maybe Franco is not dead after all.

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Schwiezer has written books in the past that are of far right bias so we agree on that point.

Is the deluxe edition life-sized Ronald Reagan blow-up doll included with every book purchase?

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truther,

Who’s blood ?

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Chris Matthews has figured Obama out after 3 years. When is it your turn Jay ?

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I am imploring TruthBe to avoid getting banned at all costs. That guy is hilarious.

It’s kind of like watching a newly born foal stumbling around.

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Only Germany is in decent fiscal shape. Go look it up.

It’s working! It’s working!

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My favorite…..

“How about those large Black Churches used for democrat politics, like Ebenezer Baptish Church, Trinity United Church of God, or Teachers Unions, SEIU, Teamers, NAACP, Urban League, Black Panthers, KKK, the Mainstreet Media, or the Work Place and Schools. Remember Mm Mm Mm Obama song the children were forced to sing by the Black Public School Teachers. Hey are the same Black School Teachers going to force the children to sing songs for the next White Guy President? You People are so wrong in all ways. No Facts , No Substance, No Character, just skin color and freebies. What about MLK’s message? How about practice what you speak? Think for yourselves for once without the Masters at the DNC Plantation telling you what to say.”

It’s like an Every Right Wing Talking Point Smoothie.

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Ever wonder why 51% of earners do not pay income taxes, and never will? Government is a provider to this demo. and therefore dependent… making for easy votes.

51% is just enough to win an election.

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gotnolife, The Facts, the Truth, the Responsible, the Nation, the Republicans, the American People, the Children and their Future, and GOD. We all have sinned against GOD.

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51% is just enough to win an election.

Wait a minute!! i thought it was 47%.

I wish y’all would make up your mind about this lie.

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REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS YOU HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED BY YOUR OWN PARTY.

They are more concerned with NOT RAISING TAXES than HELPING the people that voted for them. There are over 250 millionaires on the hill so that is why they ARE IN FAVOR of not raising taxes on themselves.

The republicans have STABBED THEIR VOTERS IN THE BACK FOR THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST.

REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESIRED! If Democrats go down you all will go down WITH US!

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JKL2: PS: When exactly was it the Democrats took control of Congress? I keep forgetting that…

2007 and IMMEDIATELY reimplemented (which the repubs, when in power did away with), Pay as you go.

PS: Where are the JOBS the repubs promised when they took over in 2010?

True: So the liberal economic experts on this blog argue that allowing people to keep their property has “reeked harm to the nation”.

The only think that is “reeking harm to the nation” is the existence of a majority of takers in this society. Those who contribute little, but take much.

You mean the Big Oil companies (big subsidy takers); the farmers, (Corn subsidies), Wall Street (Bail outs), etc?

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I feel more free already.

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truther.

That is a lot of blood.

Did you take your meds this morning?

rb,

The truth is cons have zero credibility and you know it.

Stop lying will help to try to restore it.

When will you cons stop lying?

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TruthBe…
November 21st, 2011
12:25 pm
“Filter, Better than the cow or bull you turn out to be darling. But we enjoy you aswell.”

ummmmm…..what?

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Cut spending first. When Congress proves it can be done people will be more willing to pay higher taxes. We have always played with the tax code but spending continues to increase.

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truther,

You hit my funny bone.

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Hey, Filter and getalife, how is this cheap talk helping our Country?? America is being destroyed by our leadership in the government, both sides. Too much spending, too many wars, too much money being wasted, too many kinds of taxes on all of us, too many laws and restrictions, and this is killing this great Republic. Why are we all letting this happen?????? Do you care about YOUR Country????

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“Stop lying will help to try to restore it.”

Getaclue, it will help if you’ll pack your crap up and get out of the country. Start packing!

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So….

The Republicans and Democrats wrote legislation that said if we don’t achieve “X” than “Y” will happen.

X didn’t happen.

And the GOP is trying to find a way to change the law they agreed to a few months back. (See McCain and Graham scrambling about trying to undo the legislation today)

We scoff at the GOP today.

Big time.

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Republican Supporters Have Been BAMBOOZLED by their OWN PARTY

November 21st, 2011
12:35 pm
@Jim163 November 21st, 2011 – 12:30 pm – My sister is a teacher. She told me that all the kids in school now have government phones. I couldn’t believe it so I looked it up. If you are section 8, TANF, or on food stamps you qualify for a government phone and 250 free minutes.

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What is your point? These kids deserve to have access to their parents or to make a call in case of an emergency.

Give me a break! If the shoe was on the other foot you would have nothing to say!
They have phones up at the front office. We the taxpayers don’t need to provide free cell phones for poor kids(aka:black kids in public schools). Stop the wasteful spending at once. Get a job already.

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Republican Supporters…:

Are you kidding me?

They are at school! I never had a phone at school!

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@HDB November 21st, 2011 11:31 am – You are talking to Democrats here JKL2… They only see life through skin color, gender, sexual orientation, etc.; IDENTITY politics if you will.”

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White Repbulicans have always voted by skin color, gender, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, etc.

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Keep, That was funny now add the other halfs fault the Democrats.

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rb,

I support our President for four more years.

Love it or leave it.

Delta is ready when you are.

Take that kook truther with ya.

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the whole thing is a sham. We need massive reform and neither side is serious. We need deficit reduction equal to 10 times what they are quibbling about. The Dem’s offer no real spending reductions and the Repub’s say we won’t give you any more money to squander. And don’t say the Dem’s are negotiating in good faith; there has not been a serious effort from either side to solve our issues. Every proposal from the Dem’s has been based on voodoo economics and the reductions are only slowing growth rates in the future, not real reductions now. I hate to say it but the only answer I can see is to put in a national Sales tax to service the debt. As our debt service cost rises, so would the tax. I can hear the cries now, it will hit the poor unfairly, and to an extent I agree, but until everyone understands that the debt belongs to all of us, and participates in the solution, we will never get out from under it. Since we all, as collective citizens of this country created this issue, then it is up to all of us to get us out of it and it is clear that the current crop of politicians is incalpable of dealing with it.

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Raise the taxes on the rich. And keep raising them until they leave the country. That’ll fix everything.

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“Raise the taxes on the rich. And keep raising them until they leave the country. That’ll fix everything.”

Like they left the country in the ’50’s – when the highest tax rate was 90%?

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For those of you that can’t see the forest for the trees, actually the Republican’s priority is neither defict reduction nor tax breaks for the rich. Their game plan since the eighties has been to defund the government to the point of crisis so they can say, “see, we can’t afford social seurity and medicare, etc.” They have achieved the crisis they had been looking for, which is totally artificial and of their own making, and are calling in their chips. This explains the rise of the Tea Party as the enforcers. The sooner Americans see their game of backdoor cuts to entitlements (they know they can’t openly peddle that crap, see Paul Ryan’s plan) the sooner we can start getting back on track.

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getalife, I will buy you a one way ticket to Communist China, if you promise and sign a contact that you will not come back or leave China for ten years.

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@TruthBe November 21st, 2011 12:38 pm – Republican Supporters Have Been BAMBOOZLED by their OWN PARTY

We the taxpayers don’t need to provide free cell phones for poor kids(aka:black kids in public schools). Stop the wasteful spending at once. Get a job already.

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According to Time Magazine

the biggest secret known to whites since the invention of powdered rouge: welfare is a white program.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,974473,00.html#ixzz1eMaYOm7f

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GE is a slap in the face example of what too much Gov’t control does to the private sector.

Learn a lesson.

Oh, their campaign contribution was also tax-exempt too.

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Raise the taxes on the rich. And keep raising them until they leave the country.

Ooooh, the “gonna go Galt” threat.

As if!

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Acer706: GE is a slap in the face example of what too much Gov’t control does to the private sector.

Continuing conservative argument as seen by the satirist: “And it’s the ONLY company that we should bother trying to close loopholes on. I mean, the liberals WANT to pay more taxes, so let’s MAKE them and then we can just be greedy and not help out our country. Uh huh huh.”

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HDB, Now you’re talking my dear friend, but also add all the junk the democrat plantation owners have added to this mess. I would be available to speak to you if we could be polite and honest to each other and allow each other to speak. (You know how you people get loud). And Thank You HDB.

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good fight
@ 12:38

And that parking valet was plumb surly…good help is so hard to find…

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TruthBe: I would be available to speak to you if we could be polite and honest to each other and allow each other to speak.

Tell you what. You prove you can be polite and honest FIRST, then maybe people will respond in kind. Otherwise, they will still respond in kind, the kind you seem to only be able to dish out but not take.

And for the record, no one can “prevent” you from speaking on a medium such as this.

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TruthBe: You People are so wrong in all ways. No Facts , No Substance, No Character, just skin color and freebies. What about MLK’s message? How about practice what you speak? Think for yourselves for once without the Masters at the DNC Plantation telling you what to say.

There’s your sign…….

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Rickster, it’s your guys that don’t want to pay the tab after a night at the bar. Who do you think is responsible for the lions share of our debt?

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TruthBe

Nope.

Your Number One!

Your Number One!

Your Number One!

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To attempt to enslave folks through the tax code is just as morally wrong today as it was to enslave people in the past.

No enslavification without representation.

The founding fathers would be so proud.

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I wonder….If McCain and Graham are successful in their little end run attempt, will President Obama use the veto?

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A certain someone here better pray global cooling is a vast left wing myth.

Cuz, he’s skating on such thin ice today that another half a degree temperature rise and he’s in the drink…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGz_g1i7KU8

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Man behind the curtain – please elaborate on exactly how much is the lions share? Defense doesn’t count as everyone benefits equally and remember that tax cuts (as opposed to tax credits) don’t count either as a tax cut is returning money to the person who earned it.

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“Taxation is a form of slavery”

Nope, it’s more like the membership fees you pay at any club you want to join.

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josef, surely parking attendants? It has got to be because the attendant did not have the benefit of the saviour, JC, and the above minimum wage. We’re working on it! We will have reindeer parking the cars as part of our efforts to save Christmas!

Remember also, today in our veggie department, a sale on pepperoni pizza!

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taxation is a form of slavery….

and God didn’t make little green apples
and i don’t rain in Indianapolis in the summer time…

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Common Sense: Slavery was eliminated more than 100 years ago. To attempt to enslave folks through the tax code is just as morally wrong today as it was to enslave people in the past.

So why are you trying to take more from the poor?

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ADAM,

Regarding democratization of mortgage capital, see CRA as well as Alinsky, Jesse Jackson, ACORN, Maud Hurd et al. In 1995 Clinton et al actually pushed banks beyond loaning to low income folks without sufficient income and pushed quotas of lending to same. With the quotas in place, banks ended up having to offer no money down, income verification that included that of other occupants (parents, children, food stamps et al) and sources of income to qualify. Even in the face of his own data indicating that the “affordable mortgage loans” provided via CRA had higher than normal, no action was taken. Cisneros and subsequently Cuomo had HUD no longer require that a borrow prove five years of stable income….Lot’s of data to support this point.

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doggone/ga, Memberships are not forced on ones or back up by physical threats with guns / laws like the IRS

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Taxation is a form of slavery”

Nope, more like a tool to “spread the wealth”. You know , those evil people that worked hard and became rich have no right keeping their money!

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Granny, Taxes, please keep up darling.

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Federal Reserve Board data show that:

Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that’s being lambasted by conservative critics.

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“If you want them to pay taxes you need to somehow find a way to make sure they are capable of it”

That’s why I support the lottery, because no matter how far they are below the poverty line they’re lined up every night with their numbers

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AmVet, NO, the worst president spot is saved for Obama when he leaves office at the end of next year. Thank GOD. Not very White of Me to wish Obama out of office is it?

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“democrat plantation owners”

There’s your sign. As Bugs Bunney would say…”what a maroon”. Looney Tunes, folks, that’s what it is…

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Jim163: That’s why I support the lottery, because no matter how far they are below the poverty line they’re lined up every night with their numbers

Yep, they ALL buy lottery tickets! And I’m sure you have evidence (aside from “personal experience”) to back that up.

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ADAM, I think about 12 % live below poverty level but thats irrelevant. I don’t disagree with most of what you said except many of us have no problem with those 47% not paying taxes exept to the extent be both know a certain percentage of them are gaming the system. At the risk of religious ire, I think a solution will ultimately come down to population control. No amount of taxation will be able to sustain the growth of those needing assistance, senior demographics also accounted for…

Quite a puzzle

Also, this poster named TRUTHBETOLD….what’s up with the judgement and name calling? Whichever side of an argument you are actually taking, you are making those who may agree look terribly bad…

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TruthBe

Son, I was …but again you didn’t.

Ya’ outghta read a post before you pop another disjointed nonsensical retort out.

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Common Sense: The difference between what one group pays and another pays is indeed enslavement.

Which is why the defenseless rich folks are shackled to this nation and told they can never leave. They are denied passports and talks with foreign nations about citizenship there. They are FORCED to live here. Being rich means you are DOOOMED to stay here under this huge oppressive tax code that is SO burdensome on the rich and they can NEVER LEAVE! NEVER! We will make SURE they stay so they can PAY!

Or, you know, your whole premise is nonsense. It’s one of the two but the first is more fun!

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