For GOP, deficit reduction was never the goal in the first place
You could offer a lot of reasons for the apparent failure of the supercommittee to reach agreement on cutting the deficit before its deadline of midnight tonight.
However, the bottom line was the Bush tax cuts.
The Republicans insisted on making them permanent. The Democrats refused. And the Democrats had the better part of the argument. After all, everybody supposedly agreed that the supercommittee’s overwhelming priority — its entire reason for existence in the first place — was to cut the deficit and debt.
And if that’s the goal, you cannot responsibly insist on maintaining the Bush tax cuts in their entirety, given that such a step INCREASES the national debt by $2.5 trillion over the next 10 years. You can cut Medicare, cut Medicaid, cut student loans and cut Social Security, but if you do all those things AND make the tax cuts permanent, you have succeeded in making life tougher for a lot of people but you accomplished nothing toward reducing the deficit. In fact, you’ve made things worse than if you just sit back and do nothing.
UPDATE at 8:34:
Just so there’s no doubt, from The Hill:
“Mitt Romney said Sunday at a campaign stop in New Hampshire that he would not support any deal struck by the supercommittee that included new taxes, even if it meant trading limited tax increases now for the assurance that the Bush tax cuts would become permanent.
“I believe the right answer is cutting taxes, so I will not endorse any plan that raises revenues, raises taxes,” Romney said, according to Fox News….
“There will be a lot of give and take of proposals made and yet I will not support any proposal based upon increasing taxes or revenues. I will support proposals reducing spending,” Romney said.”
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Adam
November 21st, 2011
1:12 pm
Stevie Ray: Regarding democratization of mortgage capital, see CRA as well as Alinsky, Jesse Jackson, ACORN, Maud Hurd et al. In 1995 Clinton et al actually pushed banks beyond loaning to low income folks without sufficient income
You see, I see a lot of buzz words there but nothing that resembles any sort of evidence of being FORCED to lend to such people, or that the CRA or any of your other buzz words had anything to do with it. You might as well have just thrown in Soros and Socialism in there.
Still, I’ll try to be fair. Give me some sort of evidence that shows all those buzz words had something to do with the housing crisis because they forced lending to low income and minorities.
Normal
November 21st, 2011
1:12 pm
“democrat plantation owners”
There’s your sign. As Bugs Bunney would say…”what a maroon”. Looney Tunes, folks, that’s what it is…
Common Sense
November 21st, 2011
1:13 pm
“Nope, it’s more like the membership fees you pay at any club you want to join.”
What an ignorant statement.
No club demands 30% of your labor as membership dues, while offering others membership for nothing.
The difference between what one group pays and another pays is indeed enslavement.
Adam
November 21st, 2011
1:13 pm
Jim163: That’s why I support the lottery, because no matter how far they are below the poverty line they’re lined up every night with their numbers
Yep, they ALL buy lottery tickets! And I’m sure you have evidence (aside from “personal experience”) to back that up.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
November 21st, 2011
1:14 pm
Make your list for BHO and I’ll make mine for the Hero of the Texas ANG.
(You’re gonna get destroyed.)
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
1:14 pm
ADAM, I think about 12 % live below poverty level but thats irrelevant. I don’t disagree with most of what you said except many of us have no problem with those 47% not paying taxes exept to the extent be both know a certain percentage of them are gaming the system. At the risk of religious ire, I think a solution will ultimately come down to population control. No amount of taxation will be able to sustain the growth of those needing assistance, senior demographics also accounted for…
Quite a puzzle
Also, this poster named TRUTHBETOLD….what’s up with the judgement and name calling? Whichever side of an argument you are actually taking, you are making those who may agree look terribly bad…
DebbieDoRight
November 21st, 2011
1:14 pm
Adam:Surely the people who claim that the government FORCED lending to low income and minorities have evidence to back that up? And also have evidence of the legal or legislative action that took place to end such practices, if they ever began?
Their Mom (Rush), told them!! If it’s good enough for him, it’s good enough for them.
PS: rRush, unlike 90% of the GOP base, is RICH, filthy, filthy RICH. He only pretends to be fat and stupid, he’s actually smart enough to milk them of their hard earned cash!
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
1:14 pm
TruthBe
Son, I was …but again you didn’t.
Ya’ outghta read a post before you pop another disjointed nonsensical retort out.
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
1:15 pm
on the Democratic Plantation….
oh the parties and balls and a BBQ at Twelve Oaks!
fiddle dee dee
Adam
November 21st, 2011
1:16 pm
Common Sense: The difference between what one group pays and another pays is indeed enslavement.
Which is why the defenseless rich folks are shackled to this nation and told they can never leave. They are denied passports and talks with foreign nations about citizenship there. They are FORCED to live here. Being rich means you are DOOOMED to stay here under this huge oppressive tax code that is SO burdensome on the rich and they can NEVER LEAVE! NEVER! We will make SURE they stay so they can PAY!
Or, you know, your whole premise is nonsense. It’s one of the two but the first is more fun!
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
1:16 pm
Given that Newt’s response to the OWS crowd was to take a bath and get a job, I take it that pretty much sums up his interpretation of the GOP’s jobs agenda. I don’t even believe he’ll need to push for legislation to cover that one. Then again, even some of the wall street traders were kind enough to offer up McDonald’s applications. I wonder if those traders understand the entirety of their support of trickle down economics though given that some of those folks they look down on might just be preparing their food and drinks for them.
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
1:18 pm
Adam, No I wish. But thank you for that. If you remember darling I accused you of being a
paid blogger months ago for the DNC. By you own words I was correct. As for
personal attacks their so 80’s. Be kind and you will be treated kind also.
Acer706
November 21st, 2011
1:18 pm
Kamchak:
We all know how the mortgage crisis occurred. That’s History… now learn from it.
Not everyone can own a house in this country… lesson learned.
Common Sense
November 21st, 2011
1:19 pm
Despite your objections Adam, this country does not just belong to those looking for the free ride.
So get over it. If you want that sort of place to call home, then there are plenty for you to choose from.
You have two kidneys. We can make a moral argument to harvest one of yours for another using your illogical arguments. And they are indeed illogical.
We will not leave. We will not give in. Your rights are not greater than the rights of any others, including the successful. So get over yourself.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 21st, 2011
1:20 pm
Adam, one of these days you will learn the rules of supergeneralizations….. when you see something and make an assumption about their status and class, you can then extrapolate that to the entire group. Therefore a single person who fits my preconceived perception becomes “they” and with that code word, it covers “everyone”. To properly conclude a supergeneralization, a “wink, wink, nudge, nudge” is understood with the “look”.
ragnar danneskjold
November 21st, 2011
1:20 pm
“Deficit reduction” is democrat-code for “tax increase.” Republicans rationally believe the Obama stimulus is a proven failure, and that the continued government-consumption of seed capital is destructive to the economy. Republican goal has generally paralleled the conservative goals, curtailing wasteful spending. As democrats are addicted to wasteful spending, an agreed resolution is highly unlikely.
Filter
November 21st, 2011
1:20 pm
TruthBe,
Yes, I care deeply about my Country. But…and perhaps you should sit down for this…..I disagree with you on what is at the root of our problems AND what we should view as solutions.
Now take a deep breath because I know that is a lot to absorb, that someone would actually disagree with you, but it is possible. In fact I’d say that roughly half of the people of this country disagree with you (which if you can follow the logic means that roughly half of the people of this country disagree with me.) The catch is that I don’t feel the need to question the patriotism of those that disagree with me, or to call them stupid, or ignorant, or uninformed, or dangerous, or bought off by welfare or any of the others things I see (and hear) those on the right do with a constant drumbeat.
You see, I agree that there are things happening that are dangerous to the republic, and chief among them are people like you. People that want things their way or no way. No room for dissenting opinions only dogma and cheap slogans about “we have a spending problem” (which is partially true, in fact it’s one half of the problem.) and a complete unwillingness to understand that compromise is not an dirty word, but the foundation upon which this Country was built.
But for now, it is your strident nature and your parroting of the right wing sound machine without even a firm grasp of what they are talking about, that makes you so funny.
Adam
November 21st, 2011
1:21 pm
Stevie Ray: (we) both know a certain percentage of them are gaming the system
And a solution would be to focus there, and there alone? It’s hardly the cause of our debt. Even if you managed to get a little bit more out of the poor, it would not be significant because they don’t have that much to give in the first place. And it would be morally reprehensible to try.
I mean, think about it. Greed at the top is what caused us to think we could get away with he government policies that led to people getting knocked further down the totem pole unexpectedly, higher tuition costs, etc. I have no desire to reward such greed, especially when the alternative is apparently to take from those who have been pushed around for decades.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
1:21 pm
ADAM,
Look into Selma v Citibank Federal Savings; Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, Husok’s America’s Trillion Dollar housing mistake: the failure of american housing policy; Marsico..Democratizing Capital, History, Law and Reform of the CRA; Jesse Jackson’s bank/mortgage providers lawsuit history and resulting amounts lenders agreed to loan to unqualified. Philadephia Daily News 10/7/86: Putting the Squeeze on Banks/Activists use new tactics (charges of racism for “redlining” allegations) to Get Loans for the Poor”..
I got more…mostly references from readings on the topic…lifted from my books to be honest..
Kamchak
November 21st, 2011
1:21 pm
We all know how the mortgage crisis occurred.
Evidently not.
As illustrated here on a weekly, if not daily basis.
Jim163
November 21st, 2011
1:21 pm
I don’t support Newt, but loved the OWS response!
josef
November 21st, 2011
1:22 pm
The Democrat Plantation…such parvenues, they! Cheap beer and pig ears! Over here at the Rothschild place we have our own vinyards!
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
1:23 pm
Romney said at an appearance today that Obama had trapped the super committee into failure.
Obama trapped Boehner? Yep. Mr. Boehner didn’t know what hit him and
amazingly none of the GOP mucky mucks were smart enough to point it out.
GOP not ready for Prime Time Politics.
Tom Middleton
November 21st, 2011
1:23 pm
Being the spoiled brat of American politics, Jay, the Republicans have reached a point where they no longer have anything to offer that American needs.
When in power, they can’t pay for anything they do, which by the way is almost always wrong, and out of power, they can’t cooperate with anything the rest of us need to do to fix their gross mismanagement.
Maybe it’s time for them to lose their strangle hold on Washington, and hopefully 2012 will be that year. They’ve proven beyond doubt that they can’t govern and now have reduced themselves to not being a good minority party either, so what use are they anymore, I mean, besides none? NONE!
Adam
November 21st, 2011
1:24 pm
TruthBe: If you remember darling I accused you of being a paid blogger months ago for the DNC. By you own words I was correct.
Like I said, delusion of your own making. I rest my case.
As for personal attacks their so 80’s. Be kind and you will be treated kind also.
Physician, heal thyself.
Thanks for proving my points for me, as you have no choice but to do predictably and reliably.
Acer706
November 21st, 2011
1:24 pm
To sum it up:
Gov’t trying to play private-sector and screws it all up… again.
DAWGFAN
November 21st, 2011
1:25 pm
Larry, you will be deeply missed, no one did it better…………….tell Lewis we miss him too
John Ellison
November 21st, 2011
1:25 pm
The debate is the 47% (who do not pay income taxes) vs the 53% (who pay all the income taxes). The 47% do not want cuts to their social programs. The 53% do not want to pay more taxes. The 53% will win in 2012.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
1:26 pm
ADAM,
The parameters of GREED are established by our paid-off elected officials who, unlike you and me, are not subject to conflicts of interest laws or insider trading laws. If you or I do it, we got to jail, if Dennis Hastert or Harry Reid, or Al Gore do it, its perfectly legal. Did you know Hasterts net worth when he got into office was $170K and $11 million when he left?
Wall Street works within the parameters of subject legislation (with exception to Madoof types who are alive and well in any industry) and no laws were broken when the walls between banks, insurers and investment houses were ripped down….”it a free for all and honey I said you can bet your life, stakes are high and so am I to be here tonight…it’s a free for al”!
Adam
November 21st, 2011
1:26 pm
Stevie Ray: Sounds like I’ll have to go to the library. What books are you getting at least some of this from?
Ayn Rand's Medicare
November 21st, 2011
1:27 pm
is the new na-na-na boo-boo trolling style?
the toddler-fit trolling style?
O punkd you again.
O stands for more than Obama.
O-wner of cons
O-bsessed wit da ODS
O-yeah four more years
yuzeyurbrane
November 21st, 2011
1:27 pm
“Starve the Beast”–Dick Cheney. So the Republicans are too cowardly and dishonest to try to repeal laws they don’t like through the normal legislative process. Why? Because a clear majority of Americans would vote no. But, then again, they are the party of voter suppression, not voter participation.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 21st, 2011
1:28 pm
Hmmm, what about that part of the 47% that are millionaires and don’t pay any taxes and don’t receive the entitlements that some in poverty receive. Who will whine for them?
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
1:28 pm
KAMCHAK
Can you please enlighten us on exactly what the causes of the mortgage crisis were/are????
I’m dying to know your perspective beyond one liners suggesting you are the smartest guy in the room….
Acer706
November 21st, 2011
1:29 pm
John Ellison:
That is every election. “But they want to cut your social security!”
Adam
November 21st, 2011
1:29 pm
Stevie Ray: On your 1:26p, that’s 100% right. If you think about it, that’s where laws and regulations come from, people who abused the system and got away with it. And some people want to reduce such things. Sigh.
Back Seater
November 21st, 2011
1:29 pm
Adam,
How much is the DNC paying bloggers these days, as much as you are on here, you can’t have a regular job.
Kamchak
November 21st, 2011
1:30 pm
Can you please enlighten us on exactly what the causes of the mortgage crisis were/are????
Didn’t click on the link, did ya?
getalife
November 21st, 2011
1:30 pm
AIG is suing the government for saving them.
It just gets crazier everyday.
Unbelievable.
Streetracer
November 21st, 2011
1:31 pm
As I have posted other places; the US has a more progressive tax code than either Germany or France. In the US, 41% of all tax revenue is personal income tax (compared to Germany – 29% and France – 21%). The richest 10% of Americans pay 45% of all taxes (compared to Germany – 31% and France – 28%).
Doggone/GA
November 21st, 2011
1:32 pm
“The difference between what one group pays and another pays is indeed enslavement”
and, of course, there are no clubs anywhere, anytime, that have different levels of membership – where some levels pay more than others. /snarc
Adam
November 21st, 2011
1:33 pm
Back Seater: How much is the DNC paying bloggers these days, as much as you are on here, you can’t have a regular job.
You know what happens when you assume!
In fact, I do have a regular job, and it happens to be very slow this week. I wonder why THAT could be? Still, I have to be here, and they pay me to be here even if there’s very little to do and I have time to blog. And yes, it’s perfectly within company policy.
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
1:35 pm
Back Seater
We all volunteered for this duty.
You do it by the word I suppose with the scripts provided Premiere On Call? I hear Rush, Sean and Glann have all used them?
JKL2
November 21st, 2011
1:35 pm
Adam- Since you clearly think I voted for Obama because he was black, did you vote against him for the same reason?
No, he’s just another Chicago crook to me. Racism is a non-issue where I come from (maybe you should move?). As a citizen of the great state of IL, I’ve had the privilege of voting against the idiot on three different levels. Not sure who I’m voting for, but I don’t see that trend changing anytime soon.
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
1:35 pm
Filter, Thank you and you should look in the mirror aswell. The democrats agenda is a large part of the problem. Spending cuts must happen to fix America first and a new tax code is needed but President Obama isn’t the president to work this out because of his ideology. We need conservatives on BOTH sides to work out the details for the new tax code. I like parts of the flat tax that Forbes came up with in the late 80’s and early 90’s.
If you want to compete in the Global Economy then America needs a better tax code for it’s Citizens and Corporations.
Acer706
November 21st, 2011
1:37 pm
Gov’t backing sub-prime mortgages for all!
Matti's amusement
November 21st, 2011
1:38 pm
The DNC… paying us? HAHAHAHAHA! Heck, they call me twice a week asking for money! PAY US? Hahaha! Poor backseater hasn’t had a good look out the front window in awhile, it seems. She’s confusing Democrats with well-funded a well funded political machine! Too funny!
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
1:39 pm
ADAM,
Most you can google but the point here is that between the early 1980s and thru the Clinton administration (both administrations have culpability), the far left attacked banks to address perceived redlining without regard for creditworthiness resulting in subprime cottage industry…some suggest banks had to fork over some $4 trillion over time dedicated to loans that had less than 70% chance of being honored….Repeal of GLASS STEAGALL really opened the floodgates by allowing an exact repeat of what happened in the roaring twenties…all due to DEMs and GOP’s financing re-election via contributions of equal amounts from financial institutions…A good book by a historically CON biased author (but has some interesting references nonetheless) is ARCHITECTS OF RUIN by Peter Schwiezer…I will tell you that he just came out with a bi-partisan damning book called THROW THEM ALL OUT….the only bi-partisan activity in DC is insider trading, conflicts of interest, and paying off campaign contributors with our money…
Adam
November 21st, 2011
1:40 pm
JKL2: You must have missed the OBVIOUS part of my post about how race isn’t an issue for me either. But it definitely is for you, since you accused me first of voting for him because he was black.
I think a deeper look into your own soul is in order. Something dark is there you’re not acknowledging.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
1:40 pm
KAMCHAK,
Please re- post the link…I can’t find it.. Thanks
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
1:41 pm
getalife, AIG was Chuck Schumers (D:NY) biggest donor, and gave almost of it’s campaign money to democrats. Also AIG was saved for one of the reasons it manages the Congress,Senates and the President’s retirement programs. AIG another Democrat beneficiary.
josef
November 21st, 2011
1:41 pm
jkl2
Racism is a non issue where you come from? Illinois? Do tell…just what part of the Land of Lincoln would that be?
Adam
November 21st, 2011
1:42 pm
Stevie Ray: You make some good points but I am missing the part about how that stuff is the fault of Jesse Jackson, liberals, ACORN, Alinsky, et al.
HDB
November 21st, 2011
1:44 pm
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:54 pm
“HDB, Now you’re talking my dear friend, but also add all the junk the democrat plantation owners have added to this mess. I would be available to speak to you if we could be polite and honest to each other and allow each other to speak. (You know how you people get loud). And Thank You HDB”
Just remember: getting loud isn’t a problem….because I understand PASSION!! We can always agree to disagree because we will see the same thing from different vantagepoints and experiences.
The problem is that too many people are locked into ideology rather than ACTUALITY!! From this side…the more ideological side comes from the GOP!! Name the place after the holidays….and we’ll meet for a beer….or something stronger (if you can!!)!!
Back Seater
November 21st, 2011
1:45 pm
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
1:35 pm
Back Seater
We all volunteered for this duty.
You do it by the word I suppose with the scripts provided Premiere On Call? I hear Rush, Sean and Glann have all used them?
Why is it that everytime you confront a liberal/progressive/democrat with a statement or question they always divert the statement/question to what a Republican is accused of doing………….kind of like when you were growing up and you told you Dad that you cut class becasue Billy and Roonie did it, and him coming back and asking you, well if Billy and Ronnie jumped off a building, would you jump also……so typical of a Demorat Granny
DebbieDoRight
November 21st, 2011
1:47 pm
Government obstacles will be avoided in the private sector. You cannot argue that this will happen. They have limits and need to understand this
Hear Here!!! Take the obstacle of “clean water” and “clean Air” out and we’ll have more and more companies dumping chemical wastes in the water and in the air, but hey, they’ll make PROFITS!!!
Profits without obstacles (regulations) are to Big Business as Stupidity is to republicans!!!
HDB
November 21st, 2011
1:50 pm
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
1:21 pm
(charges of racism for “redlining” allegations) to Get Loans for the Poor”..
If you really want to know from EXPERIENCE…..ask those who WERE redlined in Atlanta by C&S National Bank (Now B of A)….First National Bank of Atlanta (now Wells Fargo)….Fulton National Bank, National Bank of Georgia (Both non-existent) or Trust Company Bank (SunTrust)!! People who had banked with these institutions for YEARS and couldn’t get a loan even though they had GREAT credit! Why?? Where they LIVED!! All the CRA did was to make the banks lend in the communities they SERVED!! It did NOT force the banks to RELAX credit standards….the banks did that to get more clientele!!
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
1:51 pm
Back Seater
You big silly!
You got a direct response and an insult all in one post!
Are those your jockey pants wadded up in back or do you need the restroom?
DebbieDoRight
November 21st, 2011
1:51 pm
Stevie Ray: Regarding democratization of mortgage capital, see CRA as well as Alinsky, Jesse Jackson, ACORN, Maud Hurd et al. In 1995 Clinton et al actually pushed banks beyond loaning to low income folks without sufficient income and pushed quotas of lending to same.
Of course you have proof (a link) to such
drivelfacts? I’ll wait.Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
1:51 pm
Conservative, noun. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others…
Acer706
November 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
Debbie…
Govt needs to work with instead of against. Just like with Environmental issues, correct. Tax burden uses the police power of Govt to take… that drives away corporation.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
1:56 pm
ADAM,
I don’t think any of those are solely to blame but Jesse Jackson and the others would sue (and in other industries continue to do same) mortgage companies alledging racism since only a small percentage of loans went to low income folks. Part of the settlements (since too expensive to litigate, especially when Feds started doing the same thing) was an earmarked amount required to be loaned to low income folks….very few of which qualified by conventional metrics..
DEBBIE..you can google any one of them and if you have an open mind beyond that which you are already pre-disposed, you may be able to understand why these arguments are more complex than ” the Cons suck….the liberals suck” which gets boring quickly.
JKL2
November 21st, 2011
1:56 pm
adam- I think a deeper look into your own soul is in order. Something dark is there you’re not acknowledging.
I acknowledge obama is (an always has been) a crook and a terrible do-nothing politician. I also acknowledge, that no matter how terrible he is for the country, about the only thing he could do for blacks to vote against him next time is if he starts publically raping children. Then he would still get the black majority because either they wouldn’t believe the evidence or they would see it as very gangster of him and use it as justification for that behavior in the future(much the way kids doing think oral sex counts as sex since Clinton said it was OK).
Back Seater
November 21st, 2011
1:56 pm
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
1:51 pm
Are those your jockey pants wadded up in back or do you need the restroom?
It all depends GG
HDB
November 21st, 2011
1:58 pm
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
1:51 pm
Conservative, noun. A statesman who CREATED and is enamored of existing evil, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with possibility and choice……
There….fixed that for you!!!
Toby
November 21st, 2011
1:58 pm
The parties have differnet objectives: the right-wing is more about tradition, the ‘value’ of suffering, rewarding high income, but the left-wing is more about promoting well-being.
-unless everyone agrees that the evidence-based promotion of well-being & prevention of suffering should be the goal of every policy then there isn’t much of a debate. Those who support Republicanism are more synical about the very nature of rational, evidence-based thinking, they’re more supportive of tradition not supportive of progression enough, so that intellectual & ethical poverty should be corrected.
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
1:59 pm
Back Seater
That’s what we thought.
Finn McCool
November 21st, 2011
1:59 pm
Ya’ll are worried about debts? When Radical Islam is on the verge of taking over our country through Sharia law?
GOP. Another day in loserville.
Filter
November 21st, 2011
1:59 pm
TruthBe,
To quote one of the Right’s Heros…..There you go again.
You presume
1) that i am a Democrat….nice leap but wrong.
2) that conservative ideas are what this country needs…….wrong again.
What we need are grown ups in Washington. People who see that holding us all hostage to Grover Norquist is no more helpful than saying that Entitlement Cuts are off limits.
We have a spending problem AND a revenue problem. I honestly believe that much of America sees that. It’s sad that you can’t.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
2:00 pm
HDB,
Redlining in insurance and banking does occur. However, can you tell me how good a solution is generated by requiring banks to offer a mortgage to one who can’t verify income, steady employment, is a student, has food stamps as part of disclosed income etcetera? Ultimately, we all paid for this crap with the rescue with our tax dollars…borrowed as they may be to bail out those screwballs who used a flawed mechanism to make lemonade out of these subprime lemons..
Finn McCool
November 21st, 2011
2:01 pm
JLK is one sick puppy
JKL2
November 21st, 2011
2:01 pm
josef- Do tell…just what part of the Land of Lincoln would that be?
Grew up west central, but have lived central and north. My wife’s from Chicago (actual, not a suburb). Technically my address is Peoria now.
Back Seater
November 21st, 2011
2:01 pm
GG, why were you looking at my rear end…..are you one of those weird grannies?
Finn McCool
November 21st, 2011
2:02 pm
requiring banks to offer a mortgage to one who can’t verify income, steady employment, is a student, has food stamps as part of disclosed income etcetera?
We’re in la-lah land now. Someone needs a shot of reality.
JKL2
November 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
finn- JLK is one sick puppy
Sorry if my Michael Jackson reference offended your Demwit morality. Doesn’t change it from being a factual statement.
obama rules! Free money for everybody….
josef
November 21st, 2011
2:06 pm
HDB
No problem with my bank…Citizens Trust…been with them ever since I moved to Atlanta…
JKL
And racism is not an issue there?
Adam
November 21st, 2011
2:07 pm
Oh, and about that 47% thing:
“The Tax Foundation has calculated the percentage of filers in each state who pay income tax. The ten states with the highest number of non-payers are a strongly Republican bunch: Eight of them went for John McCain in 2008, and nine of them have Republican governors.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/283265/freeloader-myth-ramesh-ponnuru
Billybob
November 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
continue to lie or be completely disingenous bookman…….your article is completely false based on your big gov’t mentality and please continue these false templates b/c the majority of the country sees through this and is running from your ilk…….the media is not trusted and neither is your opinion……enjoying reaping what your radical left has sown over the last 4 years……..dem pollsters asking hussein not to run for the good of the dem party is the first sign of the beatdown that is rapidly approaching the dem party in 2012 as was 2010………..the gloves are off after this post……the problem is spending big gub’t libs, you will realize that soon enough
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
Back Seater
Oops!
I thought I was looking at the south end of a north bound mule
OOPS!
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
November 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
Backseater…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygy7UDADXDg
Adam
November 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
Back Seater: Why is it that everytime you confront a liberal/progressive/democrat with a statement or question they always divert the statement/question to what a Republican is accused of doing
Yep! Every time! Just like when *I* responded to you. Right?
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
2:10 pm
the gloves are off after BillyBobs last post….
boxing? leather? mittens? white? garden? crocheted?
satin over the elbow?
Adam
November 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
JKL2: I also acknowledge, that no matter how terrible he is for the country, about the only thing he could do for blacks to vote against him next time is if he starts publically raping children. Then he would still get the black majority because either they wouldn’t believe the evidence or they would see it as very gangster of him and use it as justification for that behavior in the future
I especially like how you can say something like this with a straight face and still claim race is not an issue for you.
Filter
November 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
Uh oh,
Billybob is taking off the gloves.
Filter
November 21st, 2011
2:13 pm
GG,
Definitely satin over the elbows. With a little pearl at the wrist.
josef
November 21st, 2011
2:14 pm
Filter
Before dinner? How gauche!
Finn McCool
November 21st, 2011
2:15 pm
Conservanuts are in a really really foul mood today.
Maybe it’s all those reports in the liberal media saying the the supercomittee failure is a GOOD thing? mwuahahahahahahaha
Back Seater
November 21st, 2011
2:16 pm
Why bless your hearts GG & Adam
You never answered if the DNC is hiring…………Opps I just gave you a route to improve on the unemployment figures, but then again, you will be let go in less than a year
Billybob
November 21st, 2011
2:16 pm
jay,
if harry reid would have brought cut, cap and balance to a vote in the senate WHICH WAS PASSED IN THE HOUSE BY REPUBLICANS we would already be on a path to a balanced budget and none of this would be happening…..but as usual the radical left plays politics with issues instead of solving them like the house led bill would have done………it’s too easy to expose your ilk for what it is about……power and control……which will be lost by radical libs soon enough and probably not be seen again by your conrades for a while…..enjoy lib
Filter
November 21st, 2011
2:16 pm
josef,
I know. But tea was at 2:00pm and they matched the hat.
Filter
November 21st, 2011
2:17 pm
Billybob,
Can you explain cut, cap and balance for me?
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
2:18 pm
Back Seater
Thanks….
My life is blessed most of the time and I could always use a bit more.
Bless your heart right back at ya’ sonny.
Billybob
November 21st, 2011
2:18 pm
it’s actually michael jackson’s OTHER glove granny………conservatives are fine as long as libs keep wanting what they are protesting in the streets for, b/c that ensures a republican landslide in 2012…..good times
josef
November 21st, 2011
2:19 pm
Filter
Just so long as they’re not white…it’s after Labour Day and before Easter you know…
NASCAR Republican
November 21st, 2011
2:21 pm
Well, I’m pretty sure that the Romans were influenced by creeping Muslin Sharia Law, which also was the downfall of the Empire. They should have listened to Paul Revere warning the British. Also. Too.
Filter
November 21st, 2011
2:21 pm
Billybob,
Can you explain cut, cap and balance for me?
Filter
November 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
josef,
black as night.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
FINN,
Are you suggesting that my comment about income verification et al is hubris?
ACORN held up an acquisition by Fidelity Bank of Philly…in order to clear their objections, ACORN’s demand included it count food stamps as income for lending purposes. A woman name Jaon Arrington applied for a loan from Mellon Bank. Unemployed and on partial medical disability she had been turned down by Mellon for home equity loan because she lacked clear title to her home. But via ACORN, Fidelity gave her the loan.
These examples are per ACORN directly or via litigation…
Billybob
November 21st, 2011
2:23 pm
filter do your own research…….doesn’t change the fact that if dems were serious they would have at least brought it up for a vote…….reid was afraid it would pass and that is why he did what he did…..either way what he did shows the libs aren’t serious about reducing the deficit, which is what bookman tried(key word being tried) to project on the republicans………..i love exposing the mentality and lies of the radical left…it’s so fun and easy filter
josef
November 21st, 2011
2:23 pm
Filter
In mourning, are you. My condolences…