For GOP, deficit reduction was never the goal in the first place
You could offer a lot of reasons for the apparent failure of the supercommittee to reach agreement on cutting the deficit before its deadline of midnight tonight.
However, the bottom line was the Bush tax cuts.
The Republicans insisted on making them permanent. The Democrats refused. And the Democrats had the better part of the argument. After all, everybody supposedly agreed that the supercommittee’s overwhelming priority — its entire reason for existence in the first place — was to cut the deficit and debt.
And if that’s the goal, you cannot responsibly insist on maintaining the Bush tax cuts in their entirety, given that such a step INCREASES the national debt by $2.5 trillion over the next 10 years. You can cut Medicare, cut Medicaid, cut student loans and cut Social Security, but if you do all those things AND make the tax cuts permanent, you have succeeded in making life tougher for a lot of people but you accomplished nothing toward reducing the deficit. In fact, you’ve made things worse than if you just sit back and do nothing.
UPDATE at 8:34:
Just so there’s no doubt, from The Hill:
“Mitt Romney said Sunday at a campaign stop in New Hampshire that he would not support any deal struck by the supercommittee that included new taxes, even if it meant trading limited tax increases now for the assurance that the Bush tax cuts would become permanent.
“I believe the right answer is cutting taxes, so I will not endorse any plan that raises revenues, raises taxes,” Romney said, according to Fox News….
“There will be a lot of give and take of proposals made and yet I will not support any proposal based upon increasing taxes or revenues. I will support proposals reducing spending,” Romney said.”
– Jay Bookman
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larry
November 21st, 2011
12:17 pm
Well, i feel better about myself. I just fed my daughter a slice of vegatable for lunch. That is, according to the Republicans in the House. Pizza’s are vegatables.
And they are wanting to be taken seriously about the economy?
Wow.
stands for decibels
November 21st, 2011
12:17 pm
Only Germany is in decent fiscal shape. Go look it up.
It’s working! It’s working!
stands for decibels
November 21st, 2011
12:18 pm
These dumbasses all believe that Chris Freaking Matthews is some progressive hero, don’t they?
Jeez, we were calling him “Tweety” and mocking him long before the Gooper faithful even noticed he was alive.
Filter
November 21st, 2011
12:18 pm
My favorite…..
“How about those large Black Churches used for democrat politics, like Ebenezer Baptish Church, Trinity United Church of God, or Teachers Unions, SEIU, Teamers, NAACP, Urban League, Black Panthers, KKK, the Mainstreet Media, or the Work Place and Schools. Remember Mm Mm Mm Obama song the children were forced to sing by the Black Public School Teachers. Hey are the same Black School Teachers going to force the children to sing songs for the next White Guy President? You People are so wrong in all ways. No Facts , No Substance, No Character, just skin color and freebies. What about MLK’s message? How about practice what you speak? Think for yourselves for once without the Masters at the DNC Plantation telling you what to say.”
It’s like an Every Right Wing Talking Point Smoothie.
Kamchak
November 21st, 2011
12:18 pm
Thanks, the same could be said about Barrcak[sic] Obama don’t you think or MLK?
Only if Peter Schweizer has written a bromance novel on either one of those two individuals.
Acer706
November 21st, 2011
12:18 pm
Ever wonder why 51% of earners do not pay income taxes, and never will? Government is a provider to this demo. and therefore dependent… making for easy votes.
51% is just enough to win an election.
getalife
November 21st, 2011
12:19 pm
Beef, blood, what in the world are you cons talking about?
Is it foggy in la la land too?
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:19 pm
gotnolife, The Facts, the Truth, the Responsible, the Nation, the Republicans, the American People, the Children and their Future, and GOD. We all have sinned against GOD.
RB from Gwinnett
November 21st, 2011
12:20 pm
Stevie Ray… “Are you simply making sweeping generalizations about a group of folks who disagree with your politics”
That’s all you will ever get from getaclue. Don’t waste your time.
larry
November 21st, 2011
12:21 pm
51% is just enough to win an election.
Wait a minute!! i thought it was 47%.
I wish y’all would make up your mind about this lie.
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:21 pm
Filter, Glad you liked it. The truth will set you free.
Shame on the Republicans and Grover Norquist
November 21st, 2011
12:23 pm
REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS YOU HAVE BEEN BAMBOOZLED BY YOUR OWN PARTY.
They are more concerned with NOT RAISING TAXES than HELPING the people that voted for them. There are over 250 millionaires on the hill so that is why they ARE IN FAVOR of not raising taxes on themselves.
The republicans have STABBED THEIR VOTERS IN THE BACK FOR THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST.
REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESIRED! If Democrats go down you all will go down WITH US!
ken
November 21st, 2011
12:23 pm
Acer 706, that is why the really do not want to end the War on Poverty. They will acquire a vote any way they can . And what talks more than $$$$$$$$$$$.??????????
DebbieDoRight
November 21st, 2011
12:23 pm
JKL2: PS: When exactly was it the Democrats took control of Congress? I keep forgetting that…
2007 and IMMEDIATELY reimplemented (which the repubs, when in power did away with), Pay as you go.
PS: Where are the JOBS the repubs promised when they took over in 2010?
True: So the liberal economic experts on this blog argue that allowing people to keep their property has “reeked harm to the nation”.
The only think that is “reeking harm to the nation” is the existence of a majority of takers in this society. Those who contribute little, but take much.
You mean the Big Oil companies (big subsidy takers); the farmers, (Corn subsidies), Wall Street (Bail outs), etc?
Filter
November 21st, 2011
12:24 pm
This is awesome….
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:19 pm
“gotnolife, The Facts, the Truth, the Responsible, the Nation, the Republicans, the American People, the Children and their Future, and GOD. We all have sinned against GOD.”
It’s like talking to my grandfather while he is sleeping in his chair after a meal. Oh he will talk to you, but God bless him he just can’t get the words to make sense.
Filter
November 21st, 2011
12:25 pm
I feel more free already.
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:25 pm
Filter, Better than the cow or bull you turn out to be darling. But we enjoy you aswell.
getalife
November 21st, 2011
12:26 pm
truther.
That is a lot of blood.
Did you take your meds this morning?
rb,
The truth is cons have zero credibility and you know it.
Stop lying will help to try to restore it.
When will you cons stop lying?
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:28 pm
Filter, Your Grandfather sounds better already. What happen to you?
Filter
November 21st, 2011
12:28 pm
TruthBe…
November 21st, 2011
12:25 pm
“Filter, Better than the cow or bull you turn out to be darling. But we enjoy you aswell.”
ummmmm…..what?
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:29 pm
gotnolife, Hit a nerve??????/
Heard it all before
November 21st, 2011
12:29 pm
Cut spending first. When Congress proves it can be done people will be more willing to pay higher taxes. We have always played with the tax code but spending continues to increase.
Jim163
November 21st, 2011
12:30 pm
My sister is a teacher. She told me that all the kids in school now have government phones. I couldn’t believe it so I looked it up. If you are section 8, TANF, or on food stamps you qualify for a government phone and 250 free minutes.
getalife
November 21st, 2011
12:31 pm
truther,
You hit my funny bone.
Republican Supporters Have Been BAMBOOZLED by their OWN PARTY
November 21st, 2011
12:31 pm
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
DID YOU REPUBLICAN SUPPORTERS THINK THAT YOU WERE GOING TO BE SAVED?
YOU ARE GOING DOWN WITH THE REST OF US! YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESIRED! NOTHING!
YOUR DESTINY IS TIED UP WITH OUR DESTINY!
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:33 pm
Hey, Filter and getalife, how is this cheap talk helping our Country?? America is being destroyed by our leadership in the government, both sides. Too much spending, too many wars, too much money being wasted, too many kinds of taxes on all of us, too many laws and restrictions, and this is killing this great Republic. Why are we all letting this happen?????? Do you care about YOUR Country????
Republican Supporters Have Been BAMBOOZLED by their OWN PARTY
November 21st, 2011
12:35 pm
@Jim163 November 21st, 2011 – 12:30 pm – My sister is a teacher. She told me that all the kids in school now have government phones. I couldn’t believe it so I looked it up. If you are section 8, TANF, or on food stamps you qualify for a government phone and 250 free minutes.
**********************
What is your point? These kids deserve to have access to their parents or to make a call in case of an emergency.
Give me a break! If the shoe was on the other foot you would have nothing to say!
RB from Gwinnett
November 21st, 2011
12:35 pm
“Stop lying will help to try to restore it.”
Getaclue, it will help if you’ll pack your crap up and get out of the country. Start packing!
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:36 pm
Jim163, Free phones too. What’s next free tatoos??
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
12:38 pm
So….
The Republicans and Democrats wrote legislation that said if we don’t achieve “X” than “Y” will happen.
X didn’t happen.
And the GOP is trying to find a way to change the law they agreed to a few months back. (See McCain and Graham scrambling about trying to undo the legislation today)
We scoff at the GOP today.
Big time.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 21st, 2011
12:38 pm
She told me that all the kids in school now have government phones. I couldn’t believe it so I looked it up. If you are section 8, TANF, or on food stamps you qualify for a government phone and 250 free minutes.
This message brought to you by the Whole Foods communication and shopping network. Remember when you are on food stamps and the government dole, bring your new caddy to our VIP parking lot and we’ll help you load up all that evil food and liquor. This week’s special: 4 lobsters per food stamp. And since we know you have refrigerators and you are now living the good life, we’ll throw in a free sponge to clean [disclaimer: Your free sponge may or may not be a real Republican]
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:38 pm
Republican Supporters Have Been BAMBOOZLED by their OWN PARTY
November 21st, 2011
12:35 pm
@Jim163 November 21st, 2011 – 12:30 pm – My sister is a teacher. She told me that all the kids in school now have government phones. I couldn’t believe it so I looked it up. If you are section 8, TANF, or on food stamps you qualify for a government phone and 250 free minutes.
**********************
What is your point? These kids deserve to have access to their parents or to make a call in case of an emergency.
Give me a break! If the shoe was on the other foot you would have nothing to say!
They have phones up at the front office. We the taxpayers don’t need to provide free cell phones for poor kids(aka:black kids in public schools). Stop the wasteful spending at once. Get a job already.
Mick
November 21st, 2011
12:39 pm
jm
Good memory, yeah when I hear you moaning and groaning about social security, then it dawned on me that I never had a beef with those that are drawing on it before me, I support it. It was your selfish attitude that nudged me toward the idea of trying to live to 100 and collecting, just to piss you and your ilk off.
Acer706
November 21st, 2011
12:39 pm
Republican Supporters…:
Are you kidding me?
They are at school! I never had a phone at school!
Adam
November 21st, 2011
12:39 pm
JKL2: Yeah, it’s a sign that I’m not going to be intimidated into believing that supporting women’s rights, African American’s rights, the rights of the 99%, Social Security, Voting Rights Act, Civil Rights Act, etc etc are things I should shy away from. These are good things for our country and if you think otherwise, there’s YOUR sign.
Republican Supporters Have Been BAMBOOZLED by their OWN PARTY
November 21st, 2011
12:40 pm
@HDB November 21st, 2011 11:31 am – You are talking to Democrats here JKL2… They only see life through skin color, gender, sexual orientation, etc.; IDENTITY politics if you will.”
*****************************
White Repbulicans have always voted by skin color, gender, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, etc.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 21st, 2011
12:40 pm
Heard it all before: “Cut spending first. When Congress proves it can be done people will be more willing to pay higher taxes. We have always played with the tax code but spending continues to increase.”
Many major corporations like GE pay ZERO in taxes. ZERO.
Now tell me there partner, how is it that the problem we have here is SPENDING?
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:41 pm
Keep, That was funny now add the other halfs fault the Democrats.
Acer706
November 21st, 2011
12:41 pm
I bet those kids will tell you that they have a “right” to a cellphone too!
getalife
November 21st, 2011
12:41 pm
rb,
I support our President for four more years.
Love it or leave it.
Delta is ready when you are.
Take that kook truther with ya.
Adam
November 21st, 2011
12:43 pm
JKL2: Next time try voting on “content of character” rather than the color of their skin.
Since you clearly think I voted for Obama because he was black, did you vote against him for the same reason? Because it seems to me you are trying to project something onto me that isn’t true of me, but may actually be true of yourself.
Mad Max
November 21st, 2011
12:43 pm
the whole thing is a sham. We need massive reform and neither side is serious. We need deficit reduction equal to 10 times what they are quibbling about. The Dem’s offer no real spending reductions and the Repub’s say we won’t give you any more money to squander. And don’t say the Dem’s are negotiating in good faith; there has not been a serious effort from either side to solve our issues. Every proposal from the Dem’s has been based on voodoo economics and the reductions are only slowing growth rates in the future, not real reductions now. I hate to say it but the only answer I can see is to put in a national Sales tax to service the debt. As our debt service cost rises, so would the tax. I can hear the cries now, it will hit the poor unfairly, and to an extent I agree, but until everyone understands that the debt belongs to all of us, and participates in the solution, we will never get out from under it. Since we all, as collective citizens of this country created this issue, then it is up to all of us to get us out of it and it is clear that the current crop of politicians is incalpable of dealing with it.
Adam
November 21st, 2011
12:45 pm
Back Seater: Let’s see… um… Libya
Let’s see…..um….57 States
Verbal gaffe versus a complete lack of knowledge over a critical foreign policy issue. Yeah, TOTALLY the same thing.
How many frat boy high fives do you get per day for saying “57 states”?
Jack
November 21st, 2011
12:46 pm
Raise the taxes on the rich. And keep raising them until they leave the country. That’ll fix everything.
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:47 pm
Welcome to the Occupation
November 21st, 2011
12:40 pm
Heard it all before: “Cut spending first. When Congress proves it can be done people will be more willing to pay higher taxes. We have always played with the tax code but spending continues to increase.”
Many major corporations like GE pay ZERO in taxes. ZERO.
Now tell me there partner, how is it that the problem we have here isSPENDING?
GE, is one of Obama’s biggest supporters and they own alot of the mainstreet media like NBC. MSNBC, Huffington Post,Politico, and etc… They were given help by the Obama adminstration and now they are enlisting Obama’s help to manufacture and sell planes with their communist allies the Red China. Hope and Change you can believe in at work.
Doggone/GA
November 21st, 2011
12:47 pm
“Raise the taxes on the rich. And keep raising them until they leave the country. That’ll fix everything.”
Like they left the country in the ’50’s – when the highest tax rate was 90%?
Adam
November 21st, 2011
12:48 pm
Jm: Liberals are losing
Yep. Symbolic and completely unenforceable state level denial of an individual mandate = LIBERAL LOSS
Striking down a state constitutional amendment to ban abortion = LIBERAL LOSS
Striking down law that would have banned collective bargaining rights = LIBERAL LOSS
2 out of 6 recalls flipping from Republican to Demmocrat in Wisconson = LIBERAL LOSS
Reinstatement of same day registration in Maine = LIBERAL LOSS
Yep, TOTALLY see what you mean. We’re doomed. DOOOOOOOMED!
man behind the curtain
November 21st, 2011
12:48 pm
For those of you that can’t see the forest for the trees, actually the Republican’s priority is neither defict reduction nor tax breaks for the rich. Their game plan since the eighties has been to defund the government to the point of crisis so they can say, “see, we can’t afford social seurity and medicare, etc.” They have achieved the crisis they had been looking for, which is totally artificial and of their own making, and are calling in their chips. This explains the rise of the Tea Party as the enforcers. The sooner Americans see their game of backdoor cuts to entitlements (they know they can’t openly peddle that crap, see Paul Ryan’s plan) the sooner we can start getting back on track.
HDB
November 21st, 2011
12:48 pm
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
11:54 am
It’s just as dangerous for me to campaign in Alpharetta or Gwinnett County due to profiling…and you speak of the black church used for politics…what about Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, 700 Club, Southern Baptists, Corporate America, PAC’s, K Street lobbyists……
I don’t need anyone to tell me how to think…….experience and my personal economy have SHOWN me how to think!! No one….repeat NO ONE in my circles of influence has ever asked for anything FREE….but the HONEST opportunity to be deemed equal!! You’ve said: Practice what I speak….OK…let the GOP repeal ALL laws that have worked to disenfranchiise voters….let the GOP disavow identity politics as was evident in SB 1070 in Arizona….let the GOP come into MY neighborhood for a town meeting to discuss the ISSUES……..
Your turn…………………
williebkind
November 21st, 2011
12:11 pm
“That dog don’t hunt here!! Herman Cain is indicative of the Republican dogma here!!!”
You are saying he should be more liberal!
No….more learned on the issues…the off-the-cuff stuff doesn’t work!!
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:49 pm
getalife, I will buy you a one way ticket to Communist China, if you promise and sign a contact that you will not come back or leave China for ten years.
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
12:50 pm
TruthBe
You are funnier than Redneck Convert!
Republican Supporters Have Been BAMBOOZLED by their OWN PARTY
November 21st, 2011
12:50 pm
@TruthBe November 21st, 2011 12:38 pm – Republican Supporters Have Been BAMBOOZLED by their OWN PARTY
We the taxpayers don’t need to provide free cell phones for poor kids(aka:black kids in public schools). Stop the wasteful spending at once. Get a job already.
***************************
According to Time Magazine
the biggest secret known to whites since the invention of powdered rouge: welfare is a white program.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,974473,00.html#ixzz1eMaYOm7f
Welcome to the Occupation
November 21st, 2011
12:50 pm
Well said, man behind. “Their game plan since the eighties has been to defund the government to the point of crisis so they can say, “see, we can’t afford social seurity and medicare, etc.”
As I mentioned above, the “Two Santa Claus” theory has been the MO since the Nixon era.
Acer706
November 21st, 2011
12:51 pm
GE is a slap in the face example of what too much Gov’t control does to the private sector.
Learn a lesson.
Oh, their campaign contribution was also tax-exempt too.
Adam
November 21st, 2011
12:51 pm
Surely the people who claim that the government FORCED lending to low income and minorities have evidence to back that up? And also have evidence of the legal or legislative action that took place to end such practices, if they ever began?
USMC, I’m looking at you. What, nothing to back that up? So sad. Here’s a lolly.
Kamchak
November 21st, 2011
12:51 pm
Raise the taxes on the rich. And keep raising them until they leave the country.
Ooooh, the “gonna go Galt” threat.
As if!
Rickster
November 21st, 2011
12:51 pm
Jay… I don’t know how you can logically and impassively look at a the amount of revenue the government takes in and think that we have a revenue problem.
I don’t know how you can look at your paycheck, and the taxes that you pay, and think, “You know… I ought to pay more taxes. Sure, I’d rather do something noble with it. But the government can spend that money much more wisely than I can.”
We have a spending problem – not a revenue problem. The answer isn’t to give the government even more money.
It’s like taking an alcoholic to a bar or taking a compulsive over-eater to Golden Corral. Giving a person with an uncontrolled gambling problem an unlimited line of credit at a casino makes as much sense as giving the government even more money.
You’ll never convince me we don’t spend enough already, Jay. Just like I’ll never convince you that we don’t spend enough or aren’t taxed enough.
Adam
November 21st, 2011
12:53 pm
Acer706: GE is a slap in the face example of what too much Gov’t control does to the private sector.
Continuing conservative argument as seen by the satirist: “And it’s the ONLY company that we should bother trying to close loopholes on. I mean, the liberals WANT to pay more taxes, so let’s MAKE them and then we can just be greedy and not help out our country. Uh huh huh.”
Jim163
November 21st, 2011
12:53 pm
“Like they left the country in the ’50’s – when the highest tax rate was 90%?”
and everything was tax deductible..just about any kind of interest was deductible including credit card interest. The effective tax rate was still around 20%.
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:54 pm
HDB, Now you’re talking my dear friend, but also add all the junk the democrat plantation owners have added to this mess. I would be available to speak to you if we could be polite and honest to each other and allow each other to speak. (You know how you people get loud). And Thank You HDB.
Adam
November 21st, 2011
12:54 pm
Rickster: We have a spending problem – not a revenue problem. The answer isn’t to give the government even more money.
Oh look, someone drank the tea too early!
josef
November 21st, 2011
12:55 pm
good fight
@ 12:38
And that parking valet was plumb surly…good help is so hard to find…
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:56 pm
Granny, Thank you and you’re just as idiotic. But we always love our Grannies.
Adam
November 21st, 2011
12:56 pm
TruthBe: I would be available to speak to you if we could be polite and honest to each other and allow each other to speak.
Tell you what. You prove you can be polite and honest FIRST, then maybe people will respond in kind. Otherwise, they will still respond in kind, the kind you seem to only be able to dish out but not take.
And for the record, no one can “prevent” you from speaking on a medium such as this.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
12:56 pm
ADAM,
Howdy. Your comment at 12:39 regarding not being intimidated by support of social agenda’s as mentioned is a point I agree with for sure…..My question for you is who and how much is going to be needed to pay for the more costly of the mentioned issues? Government needs to stay out of womens wombs (rape by any other name), provide equal access etcetera but when 10% already pay 70% of the taxes to support the costly bits, when does it end? If my spouse consistently spends more that I make, I will not always be able to make more money to cover this phenomena….an inability compounded by my aging as well as by the (in the case of government) the explosion of baby boomers about to hit the SS and Medcare/caid) rolls in the next 20 years…
DebbieDoRight
November 21st, 2011
12:56 pm
TruthBe: You People are so wrong in all ways. No Facts , No Substance, No Character, just skin color and freebies. What about MLK’s message? How about practice what you speak? Think for yourselves for once without the Masters at the DNC Plantation telling you what to say.
There’s your sign…….
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
12:56 pm
Speaking of drinking the tea too early….”democrat plantation owners”
That guy is a laugh riot!
man behind the curtain
November 21st, 2011
12:57 pm
Rickster, it’s your guys that don’t want to pay the tab after a night at the bar. Who do you think is responsible for the lions share of our debt?
Common Sense
November 21st, 2011
12:57 pm
So on the one hand you have a group that refuses to contribute to cover their burden upon the Federal government.
And on the other hand you have a group that pays more than their burden upon the Federal government many times over.
The second group is not here to appease the first group. Isn’t it time you started carrying your own water and stop demanding that someone else does?
Slavery was eliminated more than 100 years ago. To attempt to enslave folks through the tax code is just as morally wrong today as it was to enslave people in the past.
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
12:58 pm
TruthBe
Nope.
Your Number One!
Your Number One!
Your Number One!
getalife
November 21st, 2011
12:59 pm
They swallowed and regurgitated all the con talking points and lies.
Now, their failed party will undo the cuts for the military to prove they never wanted to cut spending.
You cons got punked again.
Kamchak
November 21st, 2011
1:00 pm
To attempt to enslave folks through the tax code is just as morally wrong today as it was to enslave people in the past.
No enslavification without representation.
The founding fathers would be so proud.
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
1:01 pm
Adam, Darling no ones trying to prevent you from speaking except Jay if he doesn’t get his way or someone PROVES Jay to be wrong again. As for honesty mabe you should look that word up dearest.
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
1:01 pm
I wonder….If McCain and Graham are successful in their little end run attempt, will President Obama use the veto?
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
1:02 pm
kamchak, Taxation is a form of slavery. You of all should know that my friend.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
November 21st, 2011
1:03 pm
A certain someone here better pray global cooling is a vast left wing myth.
Cuz, he’s skating on such thin ice today that another half a degree temperature rise and he’s in the drink…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGz_g1i7KU8
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
1:03 pm
Granny, If we have to pay then McCain, Graham, and the Obama’s should pay also.
Mad Max
November 21st, 2011
1:04 pm
Man behind the curtain – please elaborate on exactly how much is the lions share? Defense doesn’t count as everyone benefits equally and remember that tax cuts (as opposed to tax credits) don’t count either as a tax cut is returning money to the person who earned it.
Adam
November 21st, 2011
1:04 pm
Stevie Ray: My question for you is who and how much is going to be needed to pay for the more costly of the mentioned issues? Government needs to stay out of womens wombs (rape by any other name), provide equal access etcetera but when 10% already pay 70% of the taxes to support the costly bits, when does it end?
There is no simple answer to your first question, because it is impossible to equally share the burden of taxes among such vastly unequal income distributions unless you ignore all morality and start thinking “flat tax” or “fair tax,” both of which provide an even more unequal measure of shared burden.
The best solution is to think of a way to create a scale that slides with the income. If the massive amount of income goes to the top, then the top should have the larger share of the burden. But when 50% of the US population lives at or below the poverty level, why do you guys constantly b*tch about 47% (now 45%) not being able to pay taxes? If you want them to pay taxes you need to somehow find a way to make sure they are capable of it, or at least provide VASTLY more opportunity for a continued upward mobility than has been provided over the past decade or so.
No, I am not saying government should take total and sole control of this, but I am saying that when you look at WHY 47% (now 45%) do not have federal income tax liability, you find pretty easily that it is because they are IN POVERTY. And spare me the “they have cell phones and refrigerators” nonsense. Only if you think taxes should be paid in taking away communication devices and food storage devices, and you want to make THAT case, do I want to hear that bit of nonsense.
So to answer your question, it ends when people are making enough to be able to afford to chip in more. OR when people that are supported traditionally by conservatives reach such a critical mass that they can create their own version of fair, where 10% pay 10% of the taxes and the other 90% pay the other 90% of taxes, regardless of whether or not they get to continue to eat, have shelter, or be able to communicate with job offers.
Doggone/GA
November 21st, 2011
1:04 pm
“Taxation is a form of slavery”
Nope, it’s more like the membership fees you pay at any club you want to join.
Charles
November 21st, 2011
1:04 pm
USMC
We have a spending problem; plain and simple! Get off of the welfare “Crack” that has warped your brain.
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That’s a big part of the problem right there. One side only wants to deal with the spending side after they did all of the spending for years. Which they readily admit, but with a run-on sentence always explain that it now has to stop.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 21st, 2011
1:05 pm
josef, surely parking attendants? It has got to be because the attendant did not have the benefit of the saviour, JC, and the above minimum wage. We’re working on it! We will have reindeer parking the cars as part of our efforts to save Christmas!
Remember also, today in our veggie department, a sale on pepperoni pizza!
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
1:05 pm
AmVet, Repeating FDR? Showing you’re age and politics in one sentence.
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
1:05 pm
taxation is a form of slavery….
and God didn’t make little green apples
and i don’t rain in Indianapolis in the summer time…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 21st, 2011
1:05 pm
surly not surely
Adam
November 21st, 2011
1:05 pm
Common Sense: Slavery was eliminated more than 100 years ago. To attempt to enslave folks through the tax code is just as morally wrong today as it was to enslave people in the past.
So why are you trying to take more from the poor?
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
1:06 pm
TruthBe
You are making less and less sense…
Pay for???
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
1:07 pm
ADAM,
Regarding democratization of mortgage capital, see CRA as well as Alinsky, Jesse Jackson, ACORN, Maud Hurd et al. In 1995 Clinton et al actually pushed banks beyond loaning to low income folks without sufficient income and pushed quotas of lending to same. With the quotas in place, banks ended up having to offer no money down, income verification that included that of other occupants (parents, children, food stamps et al) and sources of income to qualify. Even in the face of his own data indicating that the “affordable mortgage loans” provided via CRA had higher than normal, no action was taken. Cisneros and subsequently Cuomo had HUD no longer require that a borrow prove five years of stable income….Lot’s of data to support this point.
Acer706
November 21st, 2011
1:07 pm
Adam:
I’m just speaking fact.
Government obstacles will be avoided in the private sector. You cannot argue that this will happen. They have limits and need to understand this.
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
1:07 pm
doggone/ga, Memberships are not forced on ones or back up by physical threats with guns / laws like the IRS
Doggone/GA
November 21st, 2011
1:08 pm
“Memberships are not forced on ones or back up by physical threats with guns / laws like the IRS”
Let me know when the guys with guns show up at your door. You join a club, you play by their rules…including their rules on what happens if you refuse to pay your dues.
Mr. Right
November 21st, 2011
1:08 pm
Taxation is a form of slavery”
Nope, more like a tool to “spread the wealth”. You know , those evil people that worked hard and became rich have no right keeping their money!
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
November 21st, 2011
1:09 pm
Though loathed by neo-cons, FDR is recognized around the world as one the most beloved and courageous of all American presidents.
Granted, he was no GWB. (But someone has to finish as the worst ever, and who better than the hero of fake conservatives everywhere, George of the Bungle…)
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
1:09 pm
Granny, Taxes, please keep up darling.
Adam
November 21st, 2011
1:10 pm
TruthBe: Adam, Darling no ones trying to prevent you from speaking except Jay if he doesn’t get his way or someone PROVES Jay to be wrong again. As for honesty mabe you should look that word up dearest.
Right. You go on the personal attack against many on here, calling them idiots, with very little of substance in other posts, and you think you’re being put upon. Boo hoo. You must be shackled down by Murdoch and forced to post here with your eyes taped open, you poor thing.
You have not a single honest bone in your body. Just about everything you post is a lie, distortion, or attack. And you project all this onto anyone who disagrees with you, thinking you are making some kind of point. I fully expect some kind of out-of-your-@ss “I’m the winner” post about now. You live in a delusion of your own making.
And yet, Jay still scared you into submission. You must really value posting on here. Maybe you’re not shackled down, but being PAID. I hope those Murdoch checks keep you warm at night.
Kamchak
November 21st, 2011
1:10 pm
Federal Reserve Board data show that:
More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.
Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.
Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that’s being lambasted by conservative critics.
DebbieDoRight
November 21st, 2011
1:10 pm
Raise the taxes on the rich. And keep raising them until they leave the country. That’ll fix everything
Oh please! They may “leave the country”; but you’d best believe they’ll keep their “laws of incorporation” on American soil. They’re greedy, not dumb.
Jim163
November 21st, 2011
1:11 pm
“If you want them to pay taxes you need to somehow find a way to make sure they are capable of it”
That’s why I support the lottery, because no matter how far they are below the poverty line they’re lined up every night with their numbers
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
1:11 pm
Stevie Ray,
I stated earlier, to ground control, that I would be stepping outside for a while to enjoy this warm November weather and I did just that. I quickly glanced over the posts and I am left with the impression, based on your posts, that I do not know you and that is a fair statement. However, I do not recall your making any explicit statements to the effect that my characterization of you is in no way, in whole or in part, accurate. Nor did you offer any self-characterization. However we have both presented links for starting points. Further, I’ll take the position of favoring higher taxation of the wealthiest and you can take the position of higher taxation of the poorest if you like and we can attempt to progress from there. Where would you like to start. We could attempt to agree on the government’s involvement in society and even go so far as to proclaim that some level of defense spending is appropriate. We could also agree that we do indeed have a debt of about 15 trillion that has to be paid for and that we have a deficit of about one trillion that must be eliminated. How about that for starters. I’ll let you review and offer up the next round. Fair enough. However, ground control may or may not be able to find me at any given instant so be warned.
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
1:12 pm
AmVet, NO, the worst president spot is saved for Obama when he leaves office at the end of next year. Thank GOD. Not very White of Me to wish Obama out of office is it?