For GOP, deficit reduction was never the goal in the first place
You could offer a lot of reasons for the apparent failure of the supercommittee to reach agreement on cutting the deficit before its deadline of midnight tonight.
However, the bottom line was the Bush tax cuts.
The Republicans insisted on making them permanent. The Democrats refused. And the Democrats had the better part of the argument. After all, everybody supposedly agreed that the supercommittee’s overwhelming priority — its entire reason for existence in the first place — was to cut the deficit and debt.
And if that’s the goal, you cannot responsibly insist on maintaining the Bush tax cuts in their entirety, given that such a step INCREASES the national debt by $2.5 trillion over the next 10 years. You can cut Medicare, cut Medicaid, cut student loans and cut Social Security, but if you do all those things AND make the tax cuts permanent, you have succeeded in making life tougher for a lot of people but you accomplished nothing toward reducing the deficit. In fact, you’ve made things worse than if you just sit back and do nothing.
UPDATE at 8:34:
Just so there’s no doubt, from The Hill:
“Mitt Romney said Sunday at a campaign stop in New Hampshire that he would not support any deal struck by the supercommittee that included new taxes, even if it meant trading limited tax increases now for the assurance that the Bush tax cuts would become permanent.
“I believe the right answer is cutting taxes, so I will not endorse any plan that raises revenues, raises taxes,” Romney said, according to Fox News….
“There will be a lot of give and take of proposals made and yet I will not support any proposal based upon increasing taxes or revenues. I will support proposals reducing spending,” Romney said.”
– Jay Bookman
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DebbieDoRight
November 21st, 2011
10:58 am
Mary E: Many on this blog who speak out so fervently against government will be hurt personally if Social Security and Medicare become obsolete, as we know them, just as they would be hurt if veteran benefits were to cease.
That’s the point that makes no sense!!! They are battling for something that is against their own best self interest!!! If I didn’t know any better, I’d think the republican party is made up of a bunch of mindless, body snatching, lemming-mentality, drones from the planet De-Void De-Niers! It’s amazing how fervently hard they fight for BB’s to pay even LESS taxes and move even MORE jobs to countries who have no human rights for their citizens! They want us to use CHINA and INDIA as a model of how the world should be, but can’t or won’t see the complete ridiculousness of their opinions!
I again urge citizens to recognize this. Unless you are part of the top 1% in wealth of our nation, you are battling the wrong “enemy.”
Girl, you are talking to (some) people who actually believe that Reagan was the greatest president EVAH, but in fact he was the architect who brought us to the brink of ruination (with lots of help from Bush), that we’re in today. Whenever someone says St. Ronnie’s name I always mention “trickle down” and NAFTA. So when you say “You are battling the wrong enemy!!” you’re just wasting your breath
stands for decibels
November 21st, 2011
11:00 am
This is the heart and soul of the Republican Party.
Unfortunately, this is, too. Sickening.
Mick
November 21st, 2011
11:01 am
jm
The major difference between your generational type thinking and mine is very simple. I have zero qualms about taking care of the elderly and honoring contracts made decades ago. You, on the other hand, don’t give a rat’s arse about the seniors and would like nothing more than to throw them all under the bus because it’s all about you. Entitlements? If I knew forty years ago there would be a generation of your selfish ilk, then those agreements and obligations should have been changed back then – they weren’t. So suk it up and instead of trying to tear it down, reinforce and strengthen it. God willing, your day will come…
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:01 am
JM,
We are of the same cloth. I understand at least 51% of voters fall into the same category…being socially liberal and fiscally conservative. The religious right needs be castrated as well as those 2nd amendment wingnuts insisting that bearing arms is necessary as I guess the British are coming again.
The current mortgage crisis is 100% politically motivated mostly by Clintonesque liberal promoting an extortion campaign against lenders to democratize capital. Under threat of legal action, lenders where forced to put trillions of dollars in play for non-credit worthy minorities and low income folks. Five trillion is the latest number….
Us in the 10% already pay 73% of the taxes…how much more do liberals pushing the democratization of capital want us to pay???
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
11:01 am
I think what finally forced the Republicans on the supercommittee to do more of the same — nothing — was when Saxby Chambliss came out and said that he had their backs. If you look real close, you can see that jar of vaseline in his right hand too.
JKL2
November 21st, 2011
11:02 am
king of all- make Obama a 1 term President. Everything else is driven by that.
The obama presidency is much like the previous Senator obama legacy. He’s too busy campaigning to actually do anything. It’s hard to believe the Demwits are SOOOO gullible “it’s Bush’s fault” still works as their campaign slogan after having been in charge for so long.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 21st, 2011
11:02 am
jm….. Poking seems to be a favorite way for righties to harass. Perhaps if you used your brains to think instead of trying to harass and poke.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
11:03 am
Democrats are pushing for tax cuts now (see Durbin statements)
The absurdity of democrats…..
Kamchak
November 21st, 2011
11:03 am
Under threat of legal action, lenders where forced to put trillions of dollars in play for non-credit worthy minorities and low income folks.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 21st, 2011
11:05 am
So I’m looking in vain here for where Jm addresses my challenge to him to explain his erroneous assertion that the European crisis is about countries like Spain running up debts and living “beyond their means”.
What’s the matter, Jm? Don’t have anything to offer on that one? Can I then conclude that you’re conceding the point?
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
11:05 am
jm has an admirer in Stevie Ray. Isn’t that precious. Y’all should get together at the local Waffle House and express yourselves over coffee.
USMC
November 21st, 2011
11:06 am
“Not intended to be a factual statement.’
The childish mind is cute but totally out of touch with reality.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
11:06 am
Mick 11:01
This coming from the guy who said screw workers and the younger generation? Hilarious. And I’ve never advocated taking away entitlements from current and near retirees. Sorry you have a reading comp issue.
JKL2
November 21st, 2011
11:06 am
Debbie- Wasn’t the deficit a BIG problem back in, say……2006, 2007 and 2008 BEFORE Obama won the election?
Yes it was. Bush’s biggest problem was that he wasn’t conservative. TARP and Med D worth both terrible. obama has extended on both those and still has the checkbook in his hand looking for more.
PS: When exactly was it the Democrats took control of Congress? I keep forgetting that…
Soothsayer
November 21st, 2011
11:06 am
REPORT: U.S. Military Spending Has Almost Doubled Since 2001
A new report released today by SIPRI, a Swedish-based think tank, reveals that U.S. military spending has almost doubled since 2001. The U.S. spent an astounding $698 billion on the military last year, an 81% increase over the last decade.
U.S. spending on the military last year far exceeded any other country. We spent six times more than China — the second largest spender. Overall, the world expended $1.6 trillion on the military, with the United States accounting for the lion’s share.
As you’ve seen in the previous charts, that $698 billion is not even the true number. The true number is around $1.4 trillion.
TheDixieDove
November 21st, 2011
11:06 am
From 1940-80 the wealthiest Americans paid between 70% and 90% in income taxes
and that’s how we built…the American Dream. Between 1940-80 we fought and paid for WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, we built our US Interstate Expressway system, Roads, Electrical Grid, Telephone, our main Bridges and Tunnels; we Made every Car we Drove and we wore just the Clothes we Sewed and WE WENT TO THE MOON SIX TIMES-AND WE PAID FOR IT ALL!
http://thedixiedove.com/
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
11:07 am
Will the Republicans regurgitate their line about how payroll tax cuts is bad and only more bigger tax cuts for billionaires can creates the jobs thats will saves us. Sing it for us, jm.
USMC
November 21st, 2011
11:09 am
“So I’m looking in vain here for where Jm addresses my challenge to him to explain his erroneous assertion that the European crisis is about countries like Spain running up debts and living “beyond their means”.”–Welcome to the occupation
I guess “Welcome to the Occupation” is still high on dope down at the Occupy Wall Street circus.
What’s the matter, don’t you read the news? Do you really need JM as your personal Google?
Put down the junk food and TV and start reading more; you will learn a lot.
David Granger
November 21st, 2011
11:09 am
Jay, I don’t doubt for one moment that you’re absolutely right…the GOP was never going to allow tax increases to be part of a plan to cut the deficit.
But do you honestly think for one moment that the Democrats were ever going to agree to any real spending cuts? The best they ever proposed were slight reductions in spending INCREASES.
Both parties are blaming the other for the failure of the supercomittee, and they’re both absolutely right.
At first, I thought the supercommittee idea was a good one…especially with all those mandatory spending cuts that were “going to happen” automatically if an agreement couldn’t be reached…but as soon as we saw the makeup of the committee, we pretty much knew that nothing was going to get done. And I’ll bet you those “automatic spending cuts” have about as much chance of actually happening as Obamacare does of actually saving money, like we were promised.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:10 am
TAXPAYER,
Thanks for your bait. The information based bias you suffer from results in name calling and likely shout downs…neither of which are legitimate debate points. The fact that you seem to believe every position supported by liberal media, economists, and elected officials suggests you are not worthy of independent thought…
Jm
November 21st, 2011
11:10 am
Trotsky
I don’t bother with commies. You have no cred. Only Germany is in decent fiscal shape. Go look it up.
JKL2
November 21st, 2011
11:11 am
adam- This argument is going to turn right back around and be countered by the very same people who tout it as soon as they see someone who isn’t 100% qualified in all the ways they want
obama wasn’t qualified to tie his own shoes when he took office but that didn’t seem to matter. Now the Democrats are all worried about the experience level of someone on the other side they would never vote for anyway. Thanks for your faux concern. Try worrying about the people your voting for.
Next time try voting on “content of character” rather than the color of their skin.
USMC
November 21st, 2011
11:11 am
“This coming from the guy who said screw workers and the younger generation? Hilarious. And I’ve never advocated taking away entitlements from current and near retirees. Sorry you have a reading comp issue.”–JM
I think Mick has been lying out in the sun too much; God bless him.
Go RV!
Soothsayer
November 21st, 2011
11:12 am
Hey, listen! If things get tough and you’re stranded for a talking point, drag out the CRA! Even that horse has been flogged to death a 100 times over on this blog.
True
November 21st, 2011
11:12 am
DebbieDoRight: Why have they been so insistent that the Bush tax cuts become permanent, when those tax cuts have reeked such harm to the nation, as a whole?
So the liberal economic experts on this blog argue that allowing people to keep their property has “reeked harm to the nation”.
The only think that is “reeking harm to the nation” is the existence of a majority of takers in this society. Those who contribute little, but take much.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:14 am
TAXPAYER,
If you can’t dispute the fact that 10% of us pay 73% of the taxes, please tell me how much more we should pay to continue spending beyond our means on unnecessary wars, welfare programs, and every other politicized DC decisions? Should we simply pay 100%?
Also, the billionaires are mosting those of inheritance…how exactly would you redistribute their hard assets? Perhaps they should donate their homes to that percentage of those in OWS who simply want handouts and don’t see that our financial problems are 100% political?
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
11:15 am
Thanks for your bait. The information based bias you suffer from results in name calling and likely shout downs…neither of which are legitimate debate points. The fact that you seem to believe every position supported by liberal media, economists, and elected officials suggests you are not worthy of independent thought…
Show your work, Stevie. I’ll hold my breath.
Back Seater
November 21st, 2011
11:15 am
Just say no to the Spendacrats
True
November 21st, 2011
11:15 am
David Granger: Jay, I don’t doubt for one moment that you’re absolutely right…the GOP was never going to allow tax increases to be part of a plan to cut the deficit.
And they shouldn’t until cuts in spending and caps on “mandated growth” programs are put into place. The deficit is not due to lack of revenue, it is due to spending growth by entitlement programs. Not defense. Do the research then shut up.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
11:15 am
I think it’s funny that Jay thinks Romney torpedoed the deficit committee.
What a joke. The guy doesn’t even currently hold political office and he throws a Romney update to support his point?
Weak weak weak.
USMC
November 21st, 2011
11:16 am
“Next time try voting on “content of character” rather than the color of their skin.”–JKL2
You are talking to Democrats here JKL2… They only see life through skin color, gender, sexual orientation, etc.; IDENTITY politics if you will.
Don’t ask Liberal democrats to use critical thinking skills; the unions and welfare givers don’t pay them to think.
AmVet - Just say no to spendaholic Republicans
November 21st, 2011
11:16 am
Humorous.
The blog’s quasi-fascist paragon of misinformation cries for more attention from me, whilst telling me to “go elsewhere”. Mixed signals?
(I think he doesn’t like me much…)
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
11:18 am
How does this fit with your Alice in Wonderland “reality”, Stevie:
The rate at which the 400 U.S. taxpayers with the highest adjusted gross income actually paid federal income taxes –their so-called effective tax rate — fell to about 18 percent in 2008 from almost 30 percent in 1995, IRS data show. That’s the tip of the iceberg, since much of their wealth never converts into income on a tax return, McCaffery said.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:18 am
DIXIEDOVE,
Your math and assumptions about the rich financing all those things is one of the more ridiculous statements I’ve read yet…I suggest you research the proportion of taxes from 1950 to 2006 (latest data available) paid by income bracket. You may be shocked at what you see….I can supply the sites (IRS et al) where you can find this….
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:19 am
TAXPAYER,
What work do you want me to show?
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
11:20 am
Leave it to JKL2 and USMC to try to do their lame race baiting routine, again.
Back Seater
November 21st, 2011
11:21 am
Adam
November 21st, 2011
9:58 am
Jm: Herman Cain looks like a freaking genius next to Obama.
Let’s see… um… Libya
Let’s see…..um….57 States
getalife
November 21st, 2011
11:22 am
They chose to go small.
I thought they would cut 1.5 trillion.
I thought wrong.
Paulo977
November 21st, 2011
11:22 am
:For GOP, deficit reduction was never the goal in the first place
!!!!! Of Course not…. anything to try and chase the present occupant of the White House OUT , OUT, OUT!!!
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
11:23 am
What work do you want me to show?
It would take a little preparation on your part, Stevie. For example, you might have to read the article. Then you would have to post some linkees of your own to support you claims regarding who pays all those taxes. Afterward, we might actually establish a basis for a real exchange.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
11:23 am
Yawn
Liberals are losing
If Obama wins (which he might) god help us
Ross Perot
November 21st, 2011
11:26 am
I’m calling the horsecr@p card on this. The repugs closed loopholes on the taxes of the upper income people that would raise revenue 500 + billion over that span, and looking for more comprompise from the dumocrats. The dumocrats insist on repealing the bush tax cuts, pushing through another 1/2 trillion in stimulus plus increasing taxes. It’s a hell of a note when the dumocrats have convinced their constituants to vote themselves tax increases.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:26 am
TAXPAYER,
Here you go…let me know what your thoughts are….it’s even more interesting if you go back to the 1970’s and see how the proportion of taxes paid by the top earners and bottom earners has reversed…
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html SEE TABLE 1…if you don’t trust this site, I can provide many more..
williebkind
November 21st, 2011
11:27 am
Soothsayer
November 21st, 2011
10:46 am
The constitution says we will have a Navy. So do you want to put all the military under one branch? Sobeit! Do you work for a corporation? I hope all you liberals on this blog have your own business and do not need the services or goods provided by any evil corporation–because that would make all of you a hypocrite expotentially.
JKL2
November 21st, 2011
11:29 am
USMC- Don’t ask Liberal democrats to use critical thinking skills;
Can I act like a Democrat and start calling all these people “racist” because they don’t like Cain? It’s obvious they hate seeing a successful black man on TV and want to put him back on the plantation where he belongs.
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
11:30 am
Yawn
Liberals are losing
If Obama wins (which he might) god help us
To summarize jm – his brain is being deprived of oxygen so his autonomic responses kick in, in vain. He returns to his regularly scheduled programming. Oh well, I think I’ll get outside and enjoy the warm November weather.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
11:31 am
I take my last post back
What liberals don’t realize is that Obama will throw entitlements under the bus if he’s re-elected
getalife
November 21st, 2011
11:31 am
Right on cue, the markets are collapsing again.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:31 am
TAXPAYER,
I’m an actuary so I adore data…especially before i pop off…
Here’s another fun fact courtesy of the White House OMB:
1980: Top 10% paid 49% of taxes/Bottom 90% paid 51%.
2008: Top 10% paid 70% of taxes/Bottom 90% paid 30%
Want some more???
HDB
November 21st, 2011
11:31 am
USMC
November 21st, 2011
11:16 am
“Next time try voting on “content of character” rather than the color of their skin.”–JKL2
You are talking to Democrats here JKL2… They only see life through skin color, gender, sexual orientation, etc.; IDENTITY politics if you will.”
REALLY?? If that’s the case, why is it that REPUBLICANS don’t campain in the inner city…don’t consider minorities as CONSTITUENTS…and create policy that does everything to MARGINALIZE minorities???? Who’s actually permeating IDENTITY politics here!! At the last GOP Convention….there were only 125 black delegates…..the numbers speak for themselves!!
“Don’t ask Liberal democrats to use critical thinking skills; the unions and welfare givers don’t pay them to think” That dog don’t hunt here!! Herman Cain is indicative of the Republican dogma here!!!
HDB
November 21st, 2011
11:33 am
JKL2
November 21st, 2011
11:29 am
USMC- Don’t ask Liberal democrats to use critical thinking skills;
Can I act like a Democrat and start calling all these people “racist” because they don’t like Cain? It’s obvious they hate seeing a successful black man on TV and want to put him back on the plantation where he belongs.”
If you REALLY want to understand the problems that permeates about black conservatives…….
http://www.blackcommentator.com/154/154_thindwa_black_conservatives.html
This can explain it better that I can…………..
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:33 am
TAXPAYER,
You will really dig this one:
1965: Defense Spending/GDP=7.4%; Entitlements/GDP 2.5%
2010: Defense Spending/GDP 5%; Entitlements 10%
The fun part is that the 2010 number is only the very front end of accomodating the booming babies coming into retirement….
Want more?
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
11:34 am
Liberal democrats are at fault here because they won’t cut government and it’s trainwreck spending. Where are you obama juicedrinking democrats about cutting the size of the government and the over spending and over taxing to all of us. How much is too much? Do you care about your Country???
Big D
November 21st, 2011
11:34 am
WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM NOT A REVENUE PROBLEM….GET IT !!!!!!
We can explain economics and capitalism’s formulation for tax revenues till we are blue in the face and LIBERALS like JAY will remain in a state of denial.
Tell me just what “pledge” the Dem’s have taken to try and save this economy…none, just like always pander to the idiots that think we cannot fail and keep themselves in power. This is just sad…collective insanity, the tick kills the dog and you blame the dog for not having enough blood.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:36 am
TAXPAYER,
I have no problem acknowledging anything relative to the top 400 richest folks. Let’s assume we tax 100% of their earnings….how much money do you think that is?
Normal
November 21st, 2011
11:36 am
I’m sorry, but TruthBe’s a hoot!
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:38 am
TAXPAYER,
One last parting shot from the IRS circa 7/29/09: The tax burden to the 1% now exceeds that of the bottom 95%…How much more is defined by your definition of “fair burden”?
Help me rectify my erroneous data sources and proof…If you can provide more credible data to the contrary, I’m all ears.
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
11:40 am
Stevie Ray,
Tax rates on the wealthiest have dropped from 30 percent to 18 percent on the money that the wealthiest bother to report as income while their after tax earnings have corresponding grown by several hundred percent over the same time period. What more do you want. Will you ever be satisfied. Do you want to see people here in the US selling organs as some do in India. Your selfishness knows no bounds, does it. Twenty five hedge fund managers made an average of one billion dollars each in one year and you not only think that they earned it but that they pay too much taxes even if it is as low as one percent in some cases. So, what do your links say about that. Does it tell us all about how half of the wage earners pay no income tax in any given year and therefore they are bums. My daughter paid no income taxes last year on the few thousand dollars she earned while working a part-time minimum wage job and attending college full time but she did pay her payroll taxes and got no tax credits. I’m sure she is just the most horrible person in the world to someone like you. Right. Am I right.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:40 am
TAXPAYER,
Where did you go??? Does this still not qualify as intelligent debate?
Your beef is weak daddio…Gimme’ some facts brother…..you don’t sound like you shoulder much of the tax burden but the is admittedly conjecture and judgment on my part so I will go ahead and retract that comment.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 21st, 2011
11:43 am
Jm: “I don’t bother with commies. You have no cred. Only Germany is in decent fiscal shape. Go look it up.”
Somehow with you I don’t get the idea that I’m conversing with someone who knows the first thing about how the modern global economy works. Must be the whiff of backwoods American folk-anti-commie hysteria that’s unmistakable.
Look – newsflash for the rubes! – Germany, like all major industrial nations, runs HUGE budget deficits (try north of 75% of GDP). It like the United States can borrow at dirt cheap because national markets know they won’t default. But the debt they carry is massive, because that’s what this global economy is based on.
getalife
November 21st, 2011
11:43 am
cons still think they have credibility on our economy.
Bless their poor lil ignorant hearts.
Normal
November 21st, 2011
11:44 am
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2011/11/supercommittee_and_bush_tax_cuts_a_10_year_old_blunder_doomed_deficit_reduction.html
Steve - USA
November 21st, 2011
11:44 am
stands for decibels@11:00
Sickening? Why do Democrats thing the right to free speech is reserved for their party only. Someone can boo the first lady if they want to.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:45 am
TAXPAYER,
Your beef remains weak. Go the table 6 of link previously sent. You will see that from 1980 when the top 1% paid 19% of total taxes. In 2009 they paid 36% almost double. What is the source of your data? Mine is IRS.
Don’t put words in my mouth relative to referring to those who pay no taxes as bums. Only the % of those who knowingly take advantage of handouts are bums….have no idea how many that represents.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 21st, 2011
11:46 am
Correction to my 11:43, I should have said DEBT at north of 75%.
JKL2
November 21st, 2011
11:46 am
hdb- Who’s actually permeating IDENTITY politics here!
Democrats, the party of segregation and class envy. I thought we were all supposed to be equal. It’s the left who keeps pointing out the color of my skin and how I’m not like them.
Normal
November 21st, 2011
11:47 am
…and this is just plain scarey…
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/human_nature/2011/11/christian_theocracy_how_newt_gingrich_and_the_gop_would_abolish_courts_and_legislate_morality_.html
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:49 am
TAXPAYER,
Calling me selfish without knowing me, as well as assuming I my thoughts about Hedge Fund managers who create no value, or your most dramatic comment about folks needing to donate organs to survive are symptoms of your inability to stay on topic. You can ostracize the top 400 all you want but no amount of taxes you can assign to them will be a blemish on an elephants zit toward solving our problem. May make you feel better “sticking it” to these evil doers but satisfying your insecure emotions of hate will do nothing to address the topic at hand.
getalife
November 21st, 2011
11:50 am
“hate will do nothing to address the topic at hand”
A con preaching about hate.
Hilarious.
Acer706
November 21st, 2011
11:51 am
Taxpayer:
Your daughters tax-break was received by you claiming her as dependent.
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
11:54 am
HDB, The dog does hunt there my friend. As for going to the hood and ask for obama supporters to support them would be dangerous because the people in the hood would rob them and jack their cars. How about those large Black Churches used for democrat politics, like Ebenezer Baptish Church, Trinity United Church of God, or Teachers Unions, SEIU, Teamers, NAACP, Urban League, Black Panthers, KKK, the Mainstreet Media, or the Work Place and Schools. Remember Mm Mm Mm Obama song the children were forced to sing by the Black Public School Teachers. Hey are the same Black School Teachers going to force the children to sing songs for the next White Guy President? You People are so wrong in all ways. No Facts , No Substance, No Character, just skin color and freebies. What about MLK’s message? How about practice what you speak? Think for yourselves for once without the Masters at the DNC Plantation telling you what to say.
jconservative
November 21st, 2011
11:54 am
We have two separate problems.
One is the accumulated deficits that now total $15.0 trillion. In the last 30 years due to assorted tax cuts and annual spending increases the national debt has increased $14.7 trillion.
The other problem is the deficits we continue to run year after year.
We can probably find a way to cut the deficits we run annually down to close to zero.
But that has no effect on the accumulated deficits of $15.0 trillion.
At present all the conversation is about deficits. Which is OK, that should come first.
But only cutting $1.2 trillion in spending over 10 years is a joke and everyone knows it. And we will do some number close to the $1.2 trillion. It will be reduced downward as most of the defense cuts will be taken out at the request of the defense industry lobbyists. So we will get about $800 billion in spending reductions. An even bigger joke.
And we will extend the Bush/Obama Tax Cuts and add back that $2.5 trillion to the deficit. And that will give us a Net Increase in the deficits of $1.3 trillion over the period.
Does any of this make sense?
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:55 am
GETALIFE,
First, I am conservative on fiscal issues only but quite liberal on social and privacy issues. And yes, no small amount of hatred exists on either side (neither of which I subscribe to 100% as I’m at best, libertarian or free thinker) but the hatred of the liberals toward the providers at the high end of tax brackets as well as banks that were forced to follow polical leads (repeal of Glass Steagall, Community Reinvestment ACT, et al) is emotional hatred at best and does not address the REAL issue which is the need for political reform…all the bums need to be tossed out.
Mary Elizabeth
November 21st, 2011
11:55 am
“The only think (thing) that is ‘reeking harm to the nation’ is the existence of a majority of takers in this society. Those who contribute little, but take much.”
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Believing this way is accepting propaganda that is on the airwaves. Resist believing propaganda with knowledge. For instance, those who receive Social Security and Medicare benefits have paid into those programs for years. That is not being a “taker” in society. That is simply recognizing that government can be an asset, not a liability to us, if we collectively pool our resources, wisely, for our common good. These programs need to be improved, but not eliminated for the mutual benefit of most Middle Class Americans.
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Note to DebbieDoRight @ 10:58 a.m.
Debbie said, “So when you say ‘you are battling the wrong enemy’ you’re just wasting your breath!”
Oh, but Debbie. . .you know I can’t just give up. . .and, afterall, “Hope will always Spring Eternal!”
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
11:56 am
getalife, You also have preach hate with some of your posts. You have blood on your hands aswell.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:58 am
ACER706,
You must read Throw Them all Out by Peter Schweizer…the unlimited corruption by all in Washington that is exposed in this book ($14.99 on Nook) is the most important political writing of the past 20 years (IMO). After I read the first time, I concluded that the corruption in Russian politics has nothing on us….excepting ours is better disguised…Check it out.
getalife
November 21st, 2011
11:58 am
stevie,
“I am conservative.”
I know.
If we want to collapse the global economy, you cons have credibility on that.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
11:59 am
TAXPAYER….control to TAXPAYER….are you there TAXPAYER? If you remain gone for more that 24 hours we can officially report you as missing person.
Kamchak
November 21st, 2011
12:01 pm
Peter Schweizer?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Welcome to the Occupation
November 21st, 2011
12:01 pm
The only think that is “reeking harm to the nation” is the existence of a majority of takers in this society. Those who contribute little, but take much.
The takers? Like the bankers who received gigantic taxpayer bailouts from their buddies in Treasury and now turn around and line their pockets by lending it out at higher rates?
What, did I lose you already?
getalife
November 21st, 2011
12:01 pm
truther,
Blood on my hands?
You are hilarious.
Thanks for the laugh.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
12:01 pm
GETALIFE,
What exactly are we debating here? Are you simply making sweeping generalizations about a group of folks who disagree with your politics or do you have something of meaning…or at least creatively stimulating to say???
Jefferson
November 21st, 2011
12:02 pm
The GOP does not have a CLUE, they have to be removed if the country is to prosper.
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
November 21st, 2011
12:04 pm
Actually, INCREASING the deficits is a GOP goal.
Anything to Starve the Beast.
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:04 pm
gotnolife, Yes you do and you know it my friend.
stands for decibels
November 21st, 2011
12:05 pm
Someone can boo the first lady if they want to.
Yes, someone can be a no-class, no-count redneck a-hole if they want to. And that’s what I’d call anyone who’d boo Laura Bush in public as well.
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
12:05 pm
KAMCHAK,
I can no longer tell the difference between the far right and far left. Both (obviously you included) only consider information that supports your predetermined opinions which I won’t guess originate from…Schwiezer has written books in the past that are of far right bias so we agree on that point. However, this book exposes both sides (although most data is from last 15 years or so) and is impeccably validated by sources credible…IRS, campaign disclosures etcetera.
Perhaps you should step out of your comfort zone and consider the fodder of the other side…it will make you a much better debater…
Ross Perot
November 21st, 2011
12:06 pm
You liberal socialists think the cons have expertise on collapsing a global economy? Take a look at Europe’s collective economy and see how well Hope and Change is going to work here.
DebbieDoRight
November 21st, 2011
12:08 pm
LOL @ 10:57: WRONG: Out of all of the things that this government does, defense of this country is one of it not the only one authorized by the constitution.
?? Didn’t understand the point you were trying to make. ??
Answer: Kuwait’s tiny army got overrun by Iraqi forces and reached out for help.
Do you REALLY believe that? If that’s the case, then why don’t we go into places like Ethiopia, Burkina Faso, etc.? Also did Kuwait ever repay us for our “help”?
Regarding Iraq: Think of it this way, If we catch and convict a bank robber, and he serves his punishment, and has a set of guidelines (parole) to follow; but choses not to. Do we let him continue to do what he wants or do we punish him again?
Iraq is NOT a bank robgber but a soverign country. PS: There were NO WMD, just lies.
getalife
November 21st, 2011
12:08 pm
truther,
My hands are clean.
stevie,
Yes your side has no credibility on anything.
Fact.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 21st, 2011
12:09 pm
You liberal socialists think the cons have expertise on collapsing a global economy? Take a look at Europe’s collective economy and see how well Hope and Change is going to work here.
Rube alert!
Them commie socialist collectivist non-God-fearing degenerates over thayre in Your-Ope-A. Them don’t believe in no God over there.
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
November 21st, 2011
12:09 pm
Northern Europe is doing fine, Perot.
Its your proto-fascist conservatives in Southern Europe that are suffering. Maybe Franco is not dead after all.
williebkind
November 21st, 2011
12:11 pm
“That dog don’t hunt here!! Herman Cain is indicative of the Republican dogma here!!!”
You are saying he should be more liberal!
Kamchak
November 21st, 2011
12:11 pm
Schwiezer has written books in the past that are of far right bias so we agree on that point.
Is the deluxe edition life-sized Ronald Reagan blow-up doll included with every book purchase?
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:12 pm
gotnolife, Wrong! You do have blood on your hands. In fact alot it.
getalife
November 21st, 2011
12:13 pm
truther,
Who’s blood ?
TruthBe
November 21st, 2011
12:14 pm
kamchak, That was funny. Thanks, the same could be said about Barrcak Obama don’t you think or MLK?
ken
November 21st, 2011
12:15 pm
Chris Matthews has figured Obama out after 3 years. When is it your turn Jay ?
Stevie Ray
November 21st, 2011
12:16 pm
GETALIFE…go back the playground with your “nanny nanny boo boo” hand jive….your beef is exceptionally weak.
Kamchak,
Your beef is also very weak…..take a hard look at the level of corruption in our DC charades before you comment on this topic. If your point is simply to deride a particular author whose views you won’t consider, congratulations….do you routinely judge books by the cover or is this an isolated instance..
Filter
November 21st, 2011
12:16 pm
I am imploring TruthBe to avoid getting banned at all costs. That guy is hilarious.
It’s kind of like watching a newly born foal stumbling around.