For GOP, deficit reduction was never the goal in the first place
You could offer a lot of reasons for the apparent failure of the supercommittee to reach agreement on cutting the deficit before its deadline of midnight tonight.
However, the bottom line was the Bush tax cuts.
The Republicans insisted on making them permanent. The Democrats refused. And the Democrats had the better part of the argument. After all, everybody supposedly agreed that the supercommittee’s overwhelming priority — its entire reason for existence in the first place — was to cut the deficit and debt.
And if that’s the goal, you cannot responsibly insist on maintaining the Bush tax cuts in their entirety, given that such a step INCREASES the national debt by $2.5 trillion over the next 10 years. You can cut Medicare, cut Medicaid, cut student loans and cut Social Security, but if you do all those things AND make the tax cuts permanent, you have succeeded in making life tougher for a lot of people but you accomplished nothing toward reducing the deficit. In fact, you’ve made things worse than if you just sit back and do nothing.
UPDATE at 8:34:
Just so there’s no doubt, from The Hill:
“Mitt Romney said Sunday at a campaign stop in New Hampshire that he would not support any deal struck by the supercommittee that included new taxes, even if it meant trading limited tax increases now for the assurance that the Bush tax cuts would become permanent.
“I believe the right answer is cutting taxes, so I will not endorse any plan that raises revenues, raises taxes,” Romney said, according to Fox News….
“There will be a lot of give and take of proposals made and yet I will not support any proposal based upon increasing taxes or revenues. I will support proposals reducing spending,” Romney said.”
– Jay Bookman
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Kamchak
November 21st, 2011
10:05 am
It didn’t matter at the time because we didn’t have much on the credit card.
Which brings us to the economic level. The deficits that Bush ran up in the years in which the country was teetering on the verge of a serious recession had the beneficial effect of righting the economy. In that sense, deficits not only didn’t matter, but were a force for economic good,
Translation: IOKIYAR
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
10:05 am
Obama and the Democrats took the Republican do nothings to the woodshed and handed them a good old fashioned can of whooparse with that legislation that created the supercommittee and, most importantly, the default defense spending cuts and tax hikes and NO CUTS in social security or medicare or medicaid. When Grover finally figures out what happened, will the poor fella’s face turn beet red. In fact, I suspect the only reason he’s showing up more on talk shows and talking so boisterously is that he’s finally starting to figure out just how big a can of whooparse that was. Now he’s just trying to vent some of that anger.
Normal
November 21st, 2011
10:06 am
Jm
November 21st, 2011
9:52 am
jm,
Your trolling is getting a tad desperate, i think. Makes you look bad, son…jus’ sayin’
Aquagirl
November 21st, 2011
10:06 am
Herman Cain: “We need a leader, not a reader”
What do you expect from a guy who lifted his tax plan from SimCity?
Adam
November 21st, 2011
10:06 am
Deficits only matter to the party not in power attempting to use it as a bludgeon to beat the other side out of office, so that they can run up their own deficits on stuff THEY want to spend on.
RB from Gwinnett
November 21st, 2011
10:06 am
“Does Jay’s “cease the personal attacks” threat apply to eveyone or just the people who call him out on his Leftwing/Socialist garbage? ”
Jay’s poutrage over commenters behavior is every bit as biased as his political views.
Adam
November 21st, 2011
10:08 am
TaxPayer: I think my favorite part about all this is defense is going to get cut drastically because the supercommittee wont’ find a big deal, and then the Bush Tax Cuts will expire in 2013 because they STILL wont’ be able to agree to anything. Only a Republican House, President, and Senate of 60 could make those things even get extended, much less permanent.
Peadawg
November 21st, 2011
10:09 am
“What do you expect from a guy who lifted his tax plan from SimCity?”
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:09 am
Adam 9:58
Thanks for making my point. Like I said, Herman Cain is a genius when compared to Obama.
cmac22
November 21st, 2011
10:10 am
They are all a bunch of a-holes! The goal of all of the “super committee” was to NOT produce a deal & thus drive down the price of stocks. Then they can go on a buying spree & two months later, miraculously produce a deal. Then, their stocks values increase & these a-holes pocket even more undeserved dollars. We … the American people ….. are the biggest idiots to continually reelect the same dolts & send them to Washington to collect their ridiculous paychecks!
Adam
November 21st, 2011
10:11 am
“What did liberals do that was so offensive to the party? I’ll tell you what they did. Liberals got women the right to vote. Liberals got African-Americans the right to vote. Liberals created Social Security and lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty. Liberals ended segregation. Liberals passed the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act. Liberals created Medicare. Liberals passed the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act.
What did conservatives do? They opposed them on every one of those things every one. So when you try to hurl that label at my feet, ‘Liberal,’ as if it were something to be ashamed of, something dirty, something to run away from, it won’t work. Because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.”
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:11 am
Adam 10:05
Oh, they’ll matter to you one day. Yes they will…. Yes they will….
stands for decibels
November 21st, 2011
10:12 am
Only a Republican House, President, and Senate of 60
60?
um, Adam? You really think the Goopers would let a little thing like Senate tradition stand in their way? They’d demolish the filibuster the second doing such a thing would be possible and advantageous to their cause.
All they need is the House, the White House, and 50 in the Senate (VP Michelle Bachmann can cast the tie-breaker) — and of course their Five Stooges over at 1 1st Street NE.
Adam
November 21st, 2011
10:13 am
Jm: Thanks for making my point. Like I said, Herman Cain is a genius when compared to Obama.
That is just so full of stupidity and ignorance that is amplified by the fact that you don’t realize how stupid and ignorant it is.
straitroad
November 21st, 2011
10:13 am
The underlying problem is the lack of leadership at the top. I did not agree with Clinton on many issues, but I can give him credit for being engaged. Like him or not, he understood what he was supposed to do as president. Obama does not and it becomes more apparent with each passing day.
Mick
November 21st, 2011
10:13 am
jm
Get your civics in order please, congress makes laws and the president enforces. Your obama hate is showing and its getting ugly…
Adam
November 21st, 2011
10:14 am
stands: They’d demolish the filibuster the second doing such a thing would be possible and advantageous to their cause.
You’re right, forgot about that.
Peter
November 21st, 2011
10:14 am
For all Republican’s….. All know it was impossible to start 2 wars and cut taxes….. Pure baloney, now the nation suffers from the mistakes of the GOP administration of the past, as “deficits do matter” !
The GOP has never had the balls to own up to mistakes or do the Right thing financially…. The GOP created the debt in the Bush administration, and now the answer is to cut all American’s have paid into….. SS and medicare.
There will be no cutting the defense budget, since they protect corporate America around the globe.
If you vote Republican, and are not rich……wow you are being swindled !
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:14 am
No safe havens today. Red across the board…..
Don’t open your 401k statement libs
Cut spending. Cut now. Cut later.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 21st, 2011
10:15 am
Cain also gets his motivational message poems for Republican debates from Pokeman!
Now that is “Presidential” for the republicans!
St Simons - we're on Island time
November 21st, 2011
10:15 am
oh, Frank Luntz & the cons are scrapin the bottom of the barrel now -
57 states & teleprompter must have run their shelf life. I’ve read it on
the net or heard it on the AM radio 4 times already this morning –
“Fire the AA President” – Insidious.
“ohhh, we meant the credit rating, not ‘African Amerkan,” wink-wink to
the base. If you thought that then you libruls are the reeeeal racists.
Grunt words and dog whistles is all they got left.
AmVet - Just say no to spendaholic Republicans
November 21st, 2011
10:16 am
Woe is us! We’re so misunderstood! And so unfairly treated!
You gotta love the Republican Cult of Victimhood.
To paraphrase a line from As Good As It Gets, “How do I write Republicans so well? I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.”
Welcome to the Occupation
November 21st, 2011
10:16 am
Adam: “Deficits only matter to the party not in power attempting to use it as a bludgeon to beat the other side out of office, so that they can run up their own deficits on stuff THEY want to spend on.”
Indeed. See Waninsky’s “Two Santa Claus” theory, which has been MO for the Republican party for at least a generation. What this shows is that the roots of the current ideological wars are absolutely rooted in the contested legacy of the New Deal, a furious effort that’s been underway since at least the 70s to roll it back and overthrow it.
On Waninsky’s “Two Santa Clauses”:
Democrats, he said, had been able to be “Santa Clauses” by giving people things from the largesse of the federal government. Republicans could do that, too – spending could actually increase. Plus, Republicans could be double Santa Clauses by cutting people’s taxes! For working people it would only be a small token – a few hundred dollars a year on average – but would be heavily marketed. And for the rich it would amount to hundreds of billions of dollars in tax cuts. The rich, in turn, would use that money to import or build more stuff to market, thus increasing supply and stimulating the economy. And that growth in the economy would mean that the people still paying taxes would pay more because they were earning more.
There was no way, Wanniski said, that the Democrats could ever win again. They’d have to be anti-Santas by raising taxes, or anti-Santas by cutting spending. Either one would lose them elections.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/01/26-0
josef
November 21st, 2011
10:16 am
midori
Don’t know about you, but I got a lot more of substance from the toilet seat discussion!
I don’t get much of a chance to hang out with the day crew…whew! They does take theyselves seriously!
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:17 am
Looks like Libs are having a meltdown
Adam, Mick, Trotsky all losing it
Sorry libs, your failed ideology is losing in the real world we ultimately live in
King Of All
November 21st, 2011
10:17 am
Once again, we pretend not to know the GOP’s #1 priority; make Obama a 1 term President. Everything else is driven by that.
Normal
November 21st, 2011
10:17 am
“Cut spending. Cut now. Cut later.”
Nope, cut defense, cut tax loop holes, cut corporate and farm subsidies, and bring back the Clinton era tax tables…
larry
November 21st, 2011
10:18 am
I didnt know the president was on the supercommittee?
Ive noticed that when they ” cut, cut, cut” , the unemployment rate goes ” up, up, up”. Of couse when the party that yells ” cut, cut, cut ” main purpose is to make the president a one-termer, that is more than a coincidence.
I mean why take economic advice from a party that thinks pizza is a vegatable.
JKL2
November 21st, 2011
10:18 am
Mr Holmes- I want smart people running my government, people who know more than me on their own–not just those who pledge to appoint smart people around them
Soory to hear you’re raising stupid kids. I have several around my table who would be more than happy to do the leading for you.
What the person in charge needs to be is a leader. No one person can know everything. That’s why the government pays all of these subject matter experts (SME’s). It’s when we get a know-it-all like obama who doesn’t listen to anyone things go to he!!.
Henry Ford was a great man but he didn’t know how to delegate authority. When he died, his company was down to 1/3 of what it once was. His company was drowning in bureaucracy because he had to approve every action for 30-some departments. Some will argue if he hadn’t died, the company wouldn’t be here today.
n
November 21st, 2011
10:19 am
The modern Republican Party and Grover Norquist were cloned from Newt’s stem cells. Pompous, arrogant, self-serving, greedy and quite willing to wreck havoc on this country in the service of their immense egos and crazed orthodoxy.
kayaker 71
November 21st, 2011
10:19 am
Midori,
I think that this is the first time that I have agreed with you, but you are spot on. And we didn’t even need Bookman’s help.
Doggone/GA
November 21st, 2011
10:20 am
“They’d demolish the filibuster the second doing such a thing would be possible and advantageous to their cause.”
The filibuster is a Senate Rule, not a a law…and it takes 67 votes to change Senate rules
Peter
November 21st, 2011
10:20 am
Jm. on this blog you said the un funded 2 Bush wars were a mistake, with tax cuts at the same time…
Do you still think deficits don’t matter ?
Aquagirl
November 21st, 2011
10:20 am
Oh, they’ll matter to you one day. Yes they will…. Yes they will….
How cruel of jm to leave us in suspense with the ellipsis card. Now I’ll never know if that sentence was supposed to end with “my precious!” or “you and your little dog too!”
Adam
November 21st, 2011
10:20 am
Jm: Sorry libs, your failed ideology is losing in the real world we ultimately live in
You’re clearly not living in the same reality as the rest of us.
Normal
November 21st, 2011
10:20 am
Josef,
“I don’t get much of a chance to hang out with the day crew…whew! They does take theyselves seriously!”
…and I believe the really radical ones don’t have a job. That’s the real reason they don’t want to tax the rich. They HOPE that way they will get a job and CHANGE their current situation…hope and change is good…ha
DebbieDoRight
November 21st, 2011
10:21 am
JKL: It didn’t matter at the time because we didn’t have much on the credit card. Now that the card is maxed out and the bank (China) is telling us we need to cool it, times have changed
Wasn’t the deficit a BIG problem back in, say……2006, 2007 and 2008 BEFORE Obama won the election? Why this massive concern NOW when the dems have been concerned for the past DECADE and moved in 2007 to reinstate PayGo with little to no repub support?
Just wondering……
lynnie gal
November 21st, 2011
10:21 am
It’s apparent to me that Jm is one of the (ahem) 1% since he’s fighting so hard for continuing tax breaks for the wealthy. Listen to Mitt Romney, the leading candidate of the 1%…Corporations are people, additional tax breaks for the wealthy/corporations will create jobs and correct the course of the economy…that’s 1% speak for–”You, 99%, will pay for the debacle caused by banks and Wall Street. You–99% will lose social safety nets like SS, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, quality public schools,public safety etc. And in return for your sacrifice, the “real” Americans, i.e. the 1%, will keep assuring you that their wealth will eventually trickle down to you. And that’s a promise.”
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:23 am
Peter 10:20 (I did say the first part
Not sure how on earth you square that with the second part since they are opposites
Need coffee this AM Peter?
redneckbluedog
November 21st, 2011
10:24 am
Since 1980, the goal of Republicans and ALL conservatives is to eliminate the middle class in America and turn it into a fascist plutocratic oligarchy…..where the 1% has 100% control of the wealth, and the remaining 99% (including every conservative in Georgia) will be slaves and serfs…If that isn’t class warfare, I don’t know what is..!!!! That’s OK, though, as long as the 1% are Christians…isn’t that right..!?!?
Conservatives don’t want to cut spending..they want to take federal help away from seniors, the disabled, veterans, and children and give it to their FAT CAT defense contractor, energy contractor, and Wall Street buddies….I just don’t get it…don’t really see how it lowers the deficit…don’t see how it’s good for America….
Thomas
November 21st, 2011
10:24 am
3 Years- how long does Obama need? 8, 12, 16?
Mr. Holmes
November 21st, 2011
10:24 am
I have several around my table who would be more than happy to do the leading for you.
I have little doubt. Alas, desire and ability are not synonyms. Take comfort in the fact that you could simply tell yourself they know what they’re doing, and in your world that would make it true.
Peter
November 21st, 2011
10:25 am
So what is the GOP doing Jm to get the tax money back in ?
josef
November 21st, 2011
10:25 am
JkL2
Ford was a “great man?” Yeah, sure…whatever…
Normal…
Now if Soros and the Rothschilds would just start to pay them for totin water for the rich! Socialism and capitalism working hand-in-hand, eh?
Mick
November 21st, 2011
10:25 am
jm
Losing it? Look in the mirror, you’re the one spewing daily, misguided, scrooge solutions without acknowledging how we got here, like tax cuts during a war of choice, two unfunded wars on the national credit card plus medicare part d. Just blame obama, the joke is on you…
Peter
November 21st, 2011
10:26 am
Thomas .. the problem Obama inherited will take 8- 10 years according to economists to get up back on track.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:26 am
Aquagirl
Think: “you will be afraid…. You will be”
And don’t think of someone evil….. Rather the opposite
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
10:26 am
Jm accusing others of “melting down” . More from the trolling comedian, jm.
Peadawg
November 21st, 2011
10:26 am
“Nope, cut defense, cut tax loop holes, cut corporate and farm subsidies, and bring back the Clinton era tax tables…”
Add entitlement cuts to the list and I’m all for it.
Kamchak
November 21st, 2011
10:27 am
3 Years- how long does Obama need?
Seeing as how this was 30 years in the making, I don’t see how this will turn around overnight
But keep on believing it when talk-radio says that it can be.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:27 am
Peter 10:25
Republicans offered to raise taxes by $200B this round.
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
10:27 am
And where are those jobs that the GOP campaigned on in the last election.
kayaker 71
November 21st, 2011
10:27 am
lynnie gal,
Just change the tax code. That’s all it will take. Make it easier to handle, more fair to the taxpayer, close the loopholes that allow those who make more to hide more, increase revenue to the government and start paying off this insane debt. Then you won’t have to worry about anything trickling down to you.
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
10:28 am
Republicans offered to raise taxes by $200B this round.
And jm has proof. Now where is that linkee. I know it was here just a minute ago.
St Simons - we're on Island time
November 21st, 2011
10:28 am
Time will run out, and we will get revenue increases & cuts
Victory over irresponsible scorched earth retreating cons.
While they screech dog whistles to their base.
He flippin OWNS you cons . Snoop Dawg concert on the WH lawn.
Saaaang it cons – SNOOP DAWWWGY DAWWWG
USMC
November 21st, 2011
10:29 am
“You’re clearly not living in the same reality as the rest of us.”–Adam
LOL! Says the professional “Blogster” living in the Jay Bookman Blogosphere.
stands for decibels
November 21st, 2011
10:29 am
3 Years- how long does Obama need?
Seeing as how this was 30 years in the making, I don’t see how this will turn around overnight
And remember–Reaganite piss-down economics don’t have any expiration date, apparently. We can keep trying that approach fo’evah.
Adam
November 21st, 2011
10:29 am
JKL2: What the person in charge needs to be is a leader. No one person can know everything. That’s why the government pays all of these subject matter experts (SME’s). It’s when we get a know-it-all like obama who doesn’t listen to anyone things go to he!!.
This argument is going to turn right back around and be countered by the very same people who tout it as soon as they see someone who isn’t 100% qualified in all the ways they want. You’re making this argument only because of the situation you find your precious Republican candidates in. Although you are correct, you’re still going to completely disavow this argument if it suits your purposes better later on.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:30 am
Canada balanced its budget in 4 years
Obama is a failure
He will lose
williebkind
November 21st, 2011
10:30 am
Granny Godzilla
November 21st, 2011
8:02 am
You liberals sure are funny except when you are behind closed doors in a smoke filled room ramming laws down the throats of all Americans. I know you need to raise taxes because you need the money to buy off more democratic congressmen.
Aquagirl
November 21st, 2011
10:30 am
Think: “you will be afraid…. You will be”
Unfortunately your mental picture of your impression does not square with the one you’re actually making.
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
10:30 am
Just change the tax code. That’s all it will take. Make it easier to handle, more fair to the taxpayer, close the loopholes that allow those who make more to hide more, increase revenue to the government and start paying off this insane debt.
If only Paul Ryan would offer such a thing, in writing, without tossing in a corresponding reduction in the tax rates in order to remain revenue reducing.
Mick
November 21st, 2011
10:31 am
usmc
Hey gomer, any misguided liberals in your family coming to thanksgiving dinner to promote socialism and the nanny state?
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:31 am
Taxpayer
Do your own reading and research
Google is your friend.
Kamchak
November 21st, 2011
10:32 am
…ramming laws down the throats of all Americans.
I have found that those who complain the most about having something rammed down their throats are the same ones who will swallow just about anything.
Mick
November 21st, 2011
10:32 am
jm
Why don’t we just ask canada to pick up our defense tab for four years? You really are a few cards short today…
godless heathen
November 21st, 2011
10:32 am
““If tax cuts were supposed to have created more jobs, then where are the jobs?”
Maybe it’s like the Obama stimulus defenders say, “It would have been a lot worse without them.”
DebbieDoRight
November 21st, 2011
10:33 am
Peter: There will be no cutting the defense budget, since they protect corporate America around the globe.
BINGO!! that’s the bottom line right there!! If only people would ask themselves some of these questions:
1. What was the REAL reason we would go to war over Kuwait when Kuwait isn’t even one of our “territories”? Why don’t countries like Kuwait have their own armies to protect their borders?
2. What was the REAL reason we were told lies about Iraq?
3. Why did some so readily believe that the Iraq war would “Pay for itself”?
4. If it is for “Humanitarian” reasons that we are STILL in Afghanistan, then why are we not in countries like Equatorial Guinea (HINT: OIL, Burkina Faso, Algeria, China, Zimbabwe, North Korea, etc.
Mary Elizabeth
November 21st, 2011
10:33 am
DebbieDoRight @ 10:03
Thank you for your remarks, and for your kind remarks regarding my post on this subject over the weekend. (A thank you, also, to Carlosgvv for your insightful remarks to me over the weekend.)
As I said then, this is now or never time for those very wealthy, powerful ideologues who wish to change the direction of our nation. Many of those ideologues, who support little governemt, are owners of large corporations. (Many other CEOs, however, of large corporations are not in this group and they have even advocated for the government to tax them more than they are presently being taxed in order that the nation, as a whole, might fare better.)
As I tried to point out over the weekend, one of the stealthy goals of this Libertarian group of ideologues has been to change the “so-called” entitlements, as we have known them since the days of FDR and JFK, to private markets (if not to eliminate them altogether). I do not think that this ideological plan will benefit the vast majority of Americans. Many on this blog who speak out so fervently against government will be hurt personally if Social Security and Medicare become obsolete, as we know them, just as they would be hurt if veteran benefits were to cease.
I again urge citizens to recognize this. Unless you are part of the top 1% in wealth of our nation, you are battling the wrong “enemy.” The government is not your enemy. The government is you. Have it serve your best interests, not simply the interests of the very wealthy few who have used political influence to try to change the direction of our nation – as envisioned by FDR – to help average Americans rise into the Middle Class. The Middle Class has been shrinking for years. One must ask why?
Aquagirl
November 21st, 2011
10:33 am
smoke filled room ramming laws down the throats of all Americans
Whoohooo! I had “squicky con deep throat obsession” in the center square, BINGO!!!!!
Corey
November 21st, 2011
10:34 am
Way back during the 18th century Mr. Washington warned the newly found nation of the horrors of political parties.
AmVet - Just say no to spendaholic Republicans
November 21st, 2011
10:34 am
Do your own reading and research.
That says it all.
Fact free flatulence and fiercely proud of the aroma!
DebbieDoRight
November 21st, 2011
10:35 am
And where are those jobs that the GOP campaigned on in the last election.
Behind the grassy knoll.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:36 am
Apparently Obama can’t run DC
Well. Too bad. Time to fire him.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:38 am
Amvet
Take your BS elsewhere. You called me a liar when I pointed out the judge ruled no tents in zucotti. You want to play that game again?
Amvet likes to lose apparently
Typical subservient liberal mentality
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
10:38 am
Jm,
Defend your own lies. Google is not your friend. Now where are those Republican tax hikes.
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
10:40 am
Where are those proposed Republican tax hikes, jm. Grover wants to know! NOW! And he wants names.
LOL
November 21st, 2011
10:41 am
Once again a narrow minded one-sided look at all things political from Mr. Cut and Paste. Jay, why must we Raise Taxes to Increase Revenue? If we get more people back to work we will have more Revenue, if we eliminate loophles that allow GE to make Billions in profit without paying 1 cent in taxes, We will Increase Revenue, same thing for the top tax bracket, and hell we can even Reduce the rate, and by eliminating loopholes and some deductions; Increase Revenue. No this is all about Class warfare and power,. The Democrats lost some power, may lose more and they are resorting to the age old Class Warfare argument of “paying their FAIR share”. This government is bloated and needs to be reduced in size, entitlements must be reformed, so where was our Observer in Chief as this deadline approached? Once again we have a failure to LEAD.
Mick
November 21st, 2011
10:41 am
jm
Talk about lies? You say you are not a republican yet espouse just about every talking point they issue. Oh right, forgot you are a IINO.
Scooter
November 21st, 2011
10:41 am
With The Obama’s great leadership (sarc) on debt reduction I can’t believe his debt panel and this super committee have failed.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:43 am
Aquagirl
I understand fear. And I fear fear because I know what it can do. You cannot remove fear, you can only prevent it’s occurrence in the first place through vigilance. Unlike liberals who dance along and pretend it does not exist.
Nevermind. Anything more than 2 inches is too deep for liberals.
stands for decibels
November 21st, 2011
10:44 am
Jay, why must we Raise Taxes to Increase Revenue? If we get more people back to work we will have more Revenue
You’re not going to get anyone back to work via the idiotic austerity measures the Goopers insist upon.
Normal
November 21st, 2011
10:45 am
Bad people uses fear to control good people…
Soothsayer
November 21st, 2011
10:46 am
How many times have you heard that Social Security and Medicare are not sustainable? Take a look at this chart of military spending and tell me if you think this is sustainable. Notice the change in trajectory when George W. Bush took office. Notice the amount of interest we’re paying just on military debt from prior years. This is the heart and soul of the Republican Party.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:47 am
Mick
I’m a fiscal conservative and proud of it. I’m socially liberal. Get it?
If I were on a con blog I’d be telling them global warming is real, tax cuts don’t net net create more revenue, and that religious principles don’t belong in government, and their surveillance police state us bad for freedom.
But I prefer to harass you guys. Mick, take your blinders off.
Soothsayer
November 21st, 2011
10:50 am
Take a good look at this chart. This is how much we spend on the military for each and every person living in the U.S.! Nearly $4,000.00 per person!
Mick
November 21st, 2011
10:50 am
jm
Well, at least there is some sense in that pea brain, as far as harassing us guys, take your own blinders off cause you just come off as some kind of frightened ninny….
JKL2
November 21st, 2011
10:50 am
adam- Because I will pick up that label and I will wear it as a badge of honor.”
Here’s your sign.
Common Sense
November 21st, 2011
10:51 am
Actually, we do not need to look at the claims of what Romney will do. We have had a President for the last three years. We KNOW what he has done.
Nothing.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:52 am
Soothsayer
Don’t worry. Poor people and no one other than the upper middle class pays for the military.
stands for decibels
November 21st, 2011
10:52 am
I’m a fiscal conservative and proud of it. I’m socially liberal. Get it?
hmm… Column C, Row 3?
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
10:52 am
The supercommittee did exactly what it was configured to do — pass time so the defaults could kick in as Obama and the Democrats planned, much to the GOP’s chagrin. The Bush tax cuts will expire and defense spending will get cut and social security, medicare and medicaid will not be cut. Republicans will be licking their wounds for quite some time. They are an embarrassment to Grover. Has anyone else noticed how much less boisterous McConnell has been. And Cantor, amongst others.
Kamchak
November 21st, 2011
10:53 am
…you just come off as some kind of frightened ninny….
See also, WATB.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 21st, 2011
10:53 am
Perhaps those who believe their task is to “harass” those who don’t share their exact views might want to reconsider their purpose. “Harassment” does not mean coherent, logical or credible to the likes of those who consider that their pupose apparently. But that does seem to be the only purpose of many of the right wingnuts and some self-identified “independents”.
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:55 am
Mick 10:50
You just like to agree with the things I think that you already agree with
Nothing novel there….
TaxPayer
November 21st, 2011
10:55 am
If I were on a con blog I’d be telling them global warming is real, tax cuts don’t net net create more revenue, and that religious principles don’t belong in government, and their surveillance police state us bad for freedom.
And if you took that job in Singapore, you could do all that and more on their high speed internet.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
November 21st, 2011
10:56 am
Stands, love that one!
LOL
November 21st, 2011
10:57 am
DebbieDoRight
“Peter: There will be no cutting the defense budget, since they protect corporate America around the globe.
BINGO!! that’s the bottom line right there!! If only people would ask themselves some of these questions:
WRONG: Out of all of the things that this government does, defense of this country is one of it not the only one authorized by the constitution.
1. What was the REAL reason we would go to war over Kuwait when Kuwait isn’t even one of our “territories”? Why don’t countries like Kuwait have their own armies to protect their borders?
Answer: Kuwait’s tiny army got overrun by Iraqi forces and reached out for help.
2. What was the REAL reason we were told lies about Iraq?
Answer: Lies, really we know Saddam had weapons of Mass destruction because we gave him most of them, during Iraq’s war with Iran. Bad move on our part but hardly a lie.
3. Why did some so readily believe that the Iraq war would “Pay for itself”?
Answer: Who knows, politicians make stupid claims all the time, no war ever pays for itself, but that does not mean that they should not be fought. Think of it this way, If we catch and convict a bank robber, and he serves his punishment, and has a set of guidelines (parole) to follow; but choses not to. Do we let him continue to do what he wants or do we punish him again?
4. If it is for “Humanitarian” reasons that we are STILL in Afghanistan, then why are we not in countries like Equatorial Guinea (HINT: OIL, Burkina Faso, Algeria, China, Zimbabwe, North Korea, etc.
Answer: It’s not humanitarian, but we did go in and eliminate the Government, so we have an obligation to stabilize the country as best we can, and then get out. We cannot and should not try to nation build in Afgahanistan.
Tommy Maddox
November 21st, 2011
10:57 am
The entire premise of the Committee’s existence was bogus to begin with. Why is anyone surprised that this bombed?
Jm
November 21st, 2011
10:58 am
Keep
Don’t worry. You guys won’t think outside your boxes no matter how much you are poked or prodded.