All of Georgia’s neighbors limit or bar lobbyist ‘gifts’

I started looking around, and discovered that the $5,000 golf round given to Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle last month would be illegal in every one of our neighboring states.

Tennessee limits lobbyist gifts to $55 per event. Alabama puts a limit of $25 on gifts. Florida allows no lobbyist gifts “except floral arrangements or other celebratory items given to legislators and displayed in chambers the opening day of a session.” South Carolina also allows no gifts, as does North Carolina.

But in Georgia, there are no limits. None, as in zero, which is also why House Speaker David Ralston was able to travel to Europe with his family at lobbyists’ expense totaling $17,000.

An “ethics alliance” among Common Cause Georgia, Georgia Tea Party Patriots, Georgia Watch and the League of Women Voters has formed to change that, pressing for a quite-reasonable limit of $100 per transaction, which would still be the highest in the region.

“We wanted there to be a reasonable allowance to let lobbyists have a business lunch or dinner, or even a round of golf, with legislators,” Common Cause director William Perry says in explaining the $100 limit. “But we didn’t want to provide opportunities for extravagance to curry favor.”

Our legislators have shown no interest whatsoever in changing that law, and that’s hardly surprising. In addition to the golf trip, so far this year Cagle has accepted a “technology gift” worth $1,040, a $400 hunting trip, five rounds of golf worth $710 and “lodging, meals and recreation” worth $426, split among nine different lobbyists, not to mention a lot of nice meals and tickets to sporting events.

Absent public pressure, why should he give that up?

The chairman of the House Ethics Committee is Joe Wilkinson, a Fulton County Republican. His office number is (404) 463-8143.

The chairman of the Senate Ethics Committee is John Crosby, a Republican from the Tifton area. His office number is (404) 463-5258.

At Granny G’s suggestion below, I’ll also add these:

joe.wilkinson@house.ga.gov

John.Crosby@senate.ga.gov

Again: Your silence is their permission.

– Jay Bookman

296 comments Add your comment

saywhat?

November 18th, 2011
8:10 am

saywhat?

November 18th, 2011
8:12 am

Oh well, I guess I will have to make some phone calls Monday morning.

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
8:16 am

I guess I will have to make some phone calls Monday morning.

I could free up some lunch time today, I guess. (I already emailed Cagle’s office.)

Paul

November 18th, 2011
8:16 am

“All of Georgia’s neighbors limit or bar lobbyist ‘gifts’”

Maybe your state motto could be “Dare to be Different”?

Midori

November 18th, 2011
8:18 am

but…………but……………….but…………….

OBAMA!!!

ACORN!!

SOLYNDRA!!!!

did I say OBAMA????

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
8:18 am

Florida allows no lobbyist gifts “except floral arrangements or other celebratory items given to legislators and displayed in chambers the opening day of a session.”

That seems a bit harsh. Our elected leaders should be able to deep throat enjoy a corn dog at a county fair gratis now and again.

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
8:20 am

(…although I guess if you kept the stick and pinned it to the bulletin board at the opening day of a session, you could still have the corn dog.)

godless heathen

November 18th, 2011
8:20 am

I believe rank and file State Employees are prohibited from accepting anything. You can’t even buy one of them lunch.

Aquagirl

November 18th, 2011
8:20 am

When the FDIC is suing the head of the Banking committee for $70 million, I’m not terribly concerned about golf trips.

Mary Elizabeth

November 18th, 2011
8:20 am

I will be calling. Thanks for the numbers.

Granny Godzilla

November 18th, 2011
8:21 am

This might be easier folks:

joe.wilkinson@house.ga.gov

John.Crosby@senate.ga.gov

Let’s raise a rukus shall we?

larry

November 18th, 2011
8:24 am

Are you sure those numbers aren’t BR- 549 ?

carlosgvv

November 18th, 2011
8:25 am

Jay, in almost every area of worthy endeavor, Georgia is near or in last place. This is no accident. Georgia politicians, especiall Republicans, are in this for themselves and the welfare of the people obviously means little or nothing to them. Public pressure has, if fact, been being applied for many years now with little if any effect. The reason for this is clear. Georgia Republican voters continue being the dumbest in the Nation and will keep voting for these clowns no matter what they do. All the public pressure in the world won’t sway politicians who know their simple gullible supporters will keep them in office no matter how crooked their actions are.

JohnnyReb

November 18th, 2011
8:26 am

A cause all can embrace. Now, if I could just get you Moonbats to see the light about Progressivism!

Paul

November 18th, 2011
8:26 am

Hi Midori!!!

(you forgot “soshalizm!!!”

larry

November 18th, 2011
8:27 am

Even if we get a bill passed in the Senate and the House, what makes you think the currupt Deal will sign the thing?

barking frog

November 18th, 2011
8:27 am

Basically, the surrounding states have gone to cash only bribes.

Paul

November 18th, 2011
8:27 am

“Now, if I could just get you Moonbats to see the light about Progressivism!”

Does that mean the opposite of Progressivism is darkness?

Jay

November 18th, 2011
8:28 am

Trust me, Deal would sign it. The biggest obstacle are the legislators.

AmVet

November 18th, 2011
8:29 am

Paul our state motto is actually, “We put the fun back in fundamentalism!”

Jay, I like how you are encouraging folks to get involved. In this autumn of protests, this is a grand time to do so.

Freedom is participation in power. ~Marcus Tullius Cicero

Midori

November 18th, 2011
8:29 am

DANG Paul!!

I need some coffee :)

larry

November 18th, 2011
8:29 am

Now, if I could just get you Moonbats to see the light about Progressivism!

Progressivism i.e, to progress. Which is what i want to do.

The opposite would be to throw this thing in Reverse. So maybe y’all need to see the light about Reversivism.

Jay

November 18th, 2011
8:30 am

And barking, in most if not all of those states, the restrictions are the result of major scandals. But rather than act BEFORE the scandal, our fearless leaders would prefer to await the inevitable.

Brad Steel

November 18th, 2011
8:30 am

i too wil be supporting limiting gifts to a corn dog.

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
8:32 am

Jay, where did you happen to get that quote from the Common Cause director? Is it what was told to you, or is there a link to an article/blog somewhere?

Would be handy to have this to refer to when contacting these offices. ($100 is a very reasonable limit being requested, and I’d be fine with that–heck, they can index it to inflation if they like so they don’t have to revisit the limit in ten years.)

Normal

November 18th, 2011
8:32 am

I guess this is why you have the Ten Commandments. People just can’t do the right thing unless threatened with the Gates of Hell…and then that still doesn’t work…

larry

November 18th, 2011
8:33 am

Trust me, Deal would sign it.

If that’s the case, maybe we could talk him into taking the lead on this.

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
8:33 am

The opposite would be to throw this thing in Reverse.

Or, as William F. Buckley said quite openly, “Standing athwart history, yelling ‘Stop.’”

I could never understand why anyone would be proud of a legacy like that.

Jay

November 18th, 2011
8:33 am

SFD, I spoke with him yesterday.

larry

November 18th, 2011
8:36 am

A 5000 dollar round of golf and a 17000 dollar trip to Europe by the Lt. Governor and Speaker of the House respectively is enough scandal for me.

Jm

November 18th, 2011
8:36 am

We’ll see if more libs get on the horn this time

I like to see Jays activism on such obvious GAL ethical lapses

I do wonder what the AJC thinks.

Mudfoot

November 18th, 2011
8:37 am

“A cause all can embrace. Now, if I could just get you Moonbats to see the light about Progressivism!”

Yeah, referring to them as moonbats is a regular olive branch. I’m sure you’ll sway thousands

Misty Fyed

November 18th, 2011
8:37 am

If the founding fathers made a mistake; it was in trusting that a group of politicians could self regulate. Most other run of the mill gov’t workers have strict rules on the acceptance of gifts. Congress, however, never can get around to imposing rules on itself.

Granny Godzilla

November 18th, 2011
8:38 am

My e-mails are done.

Occupy the Georgia House and Senate Ethics Committees.

This is something WE CAN DO.

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
8:38 am

I spoke with him yesterday.

Thanks for the clarification.

larry

November 18th, 2011
8:38 am

i too wil be supporting limiting gifts to a corn dog

The corn dog lobbyists are loving this.

Aquagirl

November 18th, 2011
8:38 am

All the public pressure in the world won’t sway politicians who know their simple gullible supporters will keep them in office no matter how crooked their actions are.

This. The only reason John Oxendine isn’t still in office is he ran for Governor, and got beat by someone more adept at cheating. But wear down your fingers calling, folks, if it makes you feel better.

Read it and weep

November 18th, 2011
8:40 am

Ditto what barking frog said. The recent sewer scandal in Jefferson County and the bingo scandal. Legislators and lobbyists (by any other name) were convicted on bribery charges.

Those accused and charged with the crimes attempted to bypass eavesdropping from investigators in some TV crime drama ways. The people involved used what they thought were ‘safe phones’ to bypass electronic eavesdropping. They also used back doors to deliver donations and used in-person meetings in attempt to bypass eavesdropping.

How many go undetected?

godless heathen

November 18th, 2011
8:41 am

I do wish to point out that when the same gang of skalawags called the themselves Democrats for all those years, nothing was done to change the ethics laws then either, so get off your high-horse GOP bashing.

Granny Godzilla

November 18th, 2011
8:44 am

godless heathen

well well well

I do wish do point out that this is a perfect time for all of us to be
non-partisan so get off YOUR high horse and make the calls or write the e-mails.

larry

November 18th, 2011
8:45 am

Funny, i dont recall Speaker Tom Murphy going on a trip to Europe.

AmVet

November 18th, 2011
8:45 am

Rock on, GG!

The do-nothing neo-cons are never gonna change the world for the better.

But we can. And will.

Watch this fabulous video and get even more motivated. (NOT for Republican viewing.)

How Occupy will change history

http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2011/11/16/n_sachs_occupy_history.cnnmoney/?source=cnn_bin

Steve - USA

November 18th, 2011
8:45 am

Last year I had a very pleasant dealing with the IRS on a Real Estate manner. As I often do I sent the person a $25 gift card to Pizza Hut so they could have a lunch as a thank you.

The result was I got a call from the Dept. of Treasury telling me to get to Atlanta ASAP because I was being investigated for “Attempting to gain favor from the IRS through bribery”.

It ended quite friendly but it took about 5 years off my life span, although I was given the gift card back so I did enjoy some lousy pizza.

Funny (sad) how one sector of government frowns on influence and another welcomes it.

Jm

November 18th, 2011
8:46 am

If you’re in favor of efficient, non cronyist government (most conservatives are) then you’re also against lobbying gifts. IMO

Normal

November 18th, 2011
8:46 am

Heathen,
Weren’t most of those guys Democrat before they were REPUBLICAN?

TaxPayer

November 18th, 2011
8:49 am

Done. I e-mailed rather than phoning. The e-mail will live on forever but I’m not so sure about phone calls.

By the way, is JohnnyReb trying to say that he wants to moon us or what. :lol:

TaxPayer

November 18th, 2011
8:49 am

Weren’t most of those guys Democrat before they were REPUBLICAN?

No. I’m thinking Dixiecrat.

jm

November 18th, 2011
8:50 am

Eli Jones

November 18th, 2011
8:50 am

The sleaziest of the sleaziest accepting lobbyist’s bribes is the Chicago thug Barack Obama. Transparent? Obama lies!

Paul

November 18th, 2011
8:50 am

Steve

You’re lucky they didn’t charge you with attempting to do bodily harm to an IRS agent….

Read it and weep

November 18th, 2011
8:51 am

Alabama’s New Requirements for Lobbyists

1. Registration as a lobbyist is now required if your duties include promoting or attempting to influence the awarding of a grant or contract with any department or agency of the Executive, Legislative, or Judicial branch of state government.

2. Agency Heads and Public Employees
You no longer need to register as a lobbyist if you are a state governmental agency head or his or her designee who provides and/or communicates information relating to policy and/or positions affecting said governmental agencies which they represent.

Paul

November 18th, 2011
8:51 am

“The sleaziest of the sleaziest accepting lobbyist’s bribes is the Chicago thug Barack Obama. Transparent? Obama lies!”

Sound bites are fun. Sound nibbles, not so much -

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
8:52 am

The Ethics Reform folks have a decent website, outlining their broad coalition:

http://www.georgiaethicsreform.com/

and if you want to use Common Cause’s online messaging, it’s here:

http://www.commoncause.org/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=6572291

Brosephus™

November 18th, 2011
8:53 am

I’ll make a few calls. I don’t understand how the general public would be ok with barring gifts for government employees while allowing elected officials to have a non-capped exemption for themselves. Why would anybody let the fox design and install the security system for the henhouse?

St Simons - we're on Island time

November 18th, 2011
8:53 am

Am Vet – “Paul.. state motto is We put the fun back in fundamentalism!”

more like “We put the ‘mental’ in fundamentalism”

Also, I have some staggering 75 day Q4 figures on OWS movement
from the accounting side. Weighing confidentiality vs typing them here.

Granny Godzilla

November 18th, 2011
8:53 am

Eli Jones

Some just bitch.

Others make calls or write emails.

Which are you?

pcBobby

November 18th, 2011
8:54 am

Lobbyists argue that they must do things in order to enhance their relationships with legislators. That philosophy has not left the Gold Dome and as long as Speaker Ralston and his supporters are in charge, nothing will change. Indeed there are good lobbyists, but for the most part, they have ulterior, selfish motives.

Aquagirl

November 18th, 2011
8:54 am

The sleaziest of the sleaziest accepting lobbyist’s bribes is the Chicago thug Barack Obama.

Midori @ 8:18, your bingo card is full and it’s not even 9 am.

Granny Godzilla

November 18th, 2011
8:54 am

“We put the ‘mental’ in fundamentalism”

No spoons were bent during the process.

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
8:55 am

As I often do I sent the person a $25 gift card to Pizza Hut so they could have a lunch as a thank you.

A home-baked pizza (or bread/muffins/cookies/suchlike) is one thing, but something of distinct cash value?

Honestly? That sounds like kind of a naive thing to do.

JohnnyReb

November 18th, 2011
8:56 am

Wingnut and Moonbat are terms of endearment.

Seeing the “light” about progessivism means you come out of the darkness, not move to it.

Some of you have Conservatisim mixed up with tree hugger ideology. The tree huggers want to take you back to outhouses, no/low electricity, living off the land, and driving an auto that can only take you from downtown to Kennesaw without having to spend an hour recharging. Conservatives want to hold on to the Constitution as envisioned by the founders, not move back to the stone age.

BTW, which Colony was it where they stopped the community pool of food when realizing some were not contributing their fair share?

Lastly, that awful 1% rich group are reporting about 17% of country-wide adjusted gross income, but are paying about 35% of all federal income taxes. I tell you its just not fair! How dare they.

mike thompson

November 18th, 2011
8:57 am

The fix is in, the game is rigged.
The lobbyist for the wealthy corporations, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, banks, Wall Street, Own every politician in the United States including Georgia. It’s a big rich man’s club and you ain’t in it. So go down to your local occupy what ever and vent your outrage.

godless heathen

November 18th, 2011
8:57 am

“Funny, i dont recall Speaker Tom Murphy going on a trip to Europe.”

You don’t really want to put Tom Murphy up as your ethical icon, do you?

Jm

November 18th, 2011
8:58 am

Bro

“Why would anybody let the fox design and install the security system for the henhouse?”

Indeed :)

Paul

November 18th, 2011
9:01 am

Morning, JohnnyReb

“Lastly, that awful 1% rich group are reporting about 17% of country-wide adjusted gross income, but are paying about 35% of all federal income taxes”

New numbers. Source?

Jm

November 18th, 2011
9:01 am

Real bipartisanship:

Everyone wants the corruption out of the legislature

That said, we could also use some more intelligent legislators

The current and most previous packs are a bunch of complete rubes

If you want a decently run state without lots of lobbying, you also need competent legislators

Maybe a minimum IQ test us necessary (joke)

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
9:01 am

Wingnut and Moonbat are terms of endearment.

for the record, I don’t take any offense at “Moonbat,” myself. More like a nickname than a pejorative. But it’s always a personal deal…

The tree huggers want to take you back to outhouses, no/low electricity, living off the land, and driving an auto that can only take you from downtown to Kennesaw without having to spend an hour recharging

That’s a very, very teensy sliver of people who consider themselves Progressive, methinks. Most everyone I know simply of that elk want to aim in the direction of sustainability.

AmVet

November 18th, 2011
9:01 am

Life in the Republican parallel reality, what a hoot.

Neo-cons acting as if they are the paragons of progress and progressives want to go back in time!

I swear the arch-reactionaries are living in that old Nickelodeon program You Can’t Do That on Television.

Each episode had an “opposites” segment, introduced by a visual effect of the screen flipping upside down, shifting left to fade to the next sketch, and then righting itself.

kayaker 71

November 18th, 2011
9:02 am

And if you think that this type of graft is limited to just Republicans, you are more ignorant that I think you are.

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
9:03 am

“simply of that elk?” jeez. The best laid puns of mice and men…

Quick

November 18th, 2011
9:03 am

Perhaps a Tennessee Waltz is in order.

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
9:04 am

And if you think that this type of graft is limited to just Republicans

show of hands, who thinks it’s just right leaners of any particular political party who are susceptible to corruption? anyone?

anyone claiming as much?

Question Man

November 18th, 2011
9:05 am

Why not let the free market decide? If Georgia has no limits and our neighbors do, won’t more would-be politicians be attracted to our state, improving the economy and jobs?

Joe Hussein Mama

November 18th, 2011
9:06 am

If GA lawmakers won’t vote to bar lobbyist gifts, then force them to harvest produce in Central and South Georgia until they relent.

kayaker 71

November 18th, 2011
9:06 am

Jack Abramoff put it pretty well. When asked by Leslie Stahl on 60 Minutes whether either party had a lock on taking gifts from his combine, he stated that it was about the same with each party. The only one that he could not corrupt was none other than Newt Gingrich.

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
9:08 am

I mean, jeez, K-71–Rachel Maddow had more fun making sport of Rod Blagojevich, back in the day, than should be allowed by law.

And Jay, can you do something about Eli, the spamming a$$hole? thanks.

Aquagirl

November 18th, 2011
9:08 am

show of hands, who thinks it’s just right leaners of any particular political party who are susceptible to corruption?

BTW cons, straw hands will not be counted.

Joe Hussein Mama

November 18th, 2011
9:08 am

Question Man — “Why not let the free market decide? If Georgia has no limits and our neighbors do, won’t more would-be politicians be attracted to our state, improving the economy and jobs?”

I see what you did there.

carlosgvv

November 18th, 2011
9:08 am

Granny – 8:53

Since it must be obvious the two parties are never going to change, how about working for a third party?

Richard

November 18th, 2011
9:09 am

Thanks Jay for bring this to our attention. It’s nice for once to be presented with something that all Americans, regardless of any bias, can get behind. I’ll be writing to the above points of contact.

philosopher

November 18th, 2011
9:09 am

Well, I’ll do it…but it’s sort of the way I feel when raking leaves off my front lawn this time of year…an exercise in futitlity. “Good ol’ Boy” rules here in Georgia and that is not going to change anytime soon. And even if laws are written against it, it will be ignored. They only enforce the laws they want to enforce.

larry

November 18th, 2011
9:10 am

E-mails sent . Also sent one to my local representative ( i doubt i’ll hear from him, he never returns calls or answers e-mails) and also to the two people running for the local Senate seat. Wonder who ill hear from first.

You don’t really want to put Tom Murphy up as your ethical icon, do you?

Let’s see, i dont remember him cheating on his wife with a lobbyist ( Richardson) or going to Europe on the lobbyists dime (Ralston) . Compared to those two , he was a saint.

Libs are gullible

November 18th, 2011
9:10 am

The new ethics law caps what a lobbyist can spend on a legislator’s meal to $25 per meal, with a limit of $150 in a calendar year. It rules out the free tickets, golf outings, social trips and one-on-one dinners lobbyists used to treat legis­lators to. But the new law also has exemptions to allow work sessions, economic devel­opment functions, educa­tional events and recep­tions and dinners that are considered widely attended events.

Politicians and lobbyists do not have to get Ethics Commission approval be­fore sponsoring events, but the requests that have been made offer a glimpse at the wining and dining that still is going on in Montgomery.

The letters to the Ethics Commission included requests for:

> The Business Council of Alabama to pay for the cost of lodging public officials invited to attend its annual conference in Point Clear.

> The Alabama Wholesale Distributors to invite legislators to be on a panel at its annual meeting in Biloxi.

> Unnamed sponsors to pay for several meals at work sessions of the House General Fund budget committee. The requests were made by committee Chairman Rep. Jim Barton, R-Mobile.

> The Alabama State Bar Family Law Section to provide lodging for judges at its annual education conference “Divorce on the Beach.”

> The Alabama Wholesale Beer Association to provide transportation and hotel costs for Speaker of the House Mike Hubbard and Minority Leader Craig Ford to attend the Center for Alcohol Policy Law Symposium in Chicago. Ford said he attended. Hubbard did not, according to a spokesman.

> Lobbyists to pay for meals at meetings of the Senate Democratic Caucus under the work session exemption.

> The Alabama Defense Lawyer Association to pay for judges’ lodging at the group’s annual meeting at the coast.

> Lt. Gov. Kay Ivy to take an economic trade trip to China.

The sponsor of the law, Sen. Bryan Taylor, R-Prattville, said one of the major changes is that purely social outings are no longer permissible.

“Before, it was perfectly acceptable to take a public official on a trip to New York or the Masters in Augusta for no other reason than entertainment,” Taylor said.

“Under the new law, any trip is presumed unacceptable unless it fits within a very tightly defined set rules that ensure there is an official business purpose related to the travel,” Taylor said.

Big whoop.

saywhat?

November 18th, 2011
9:10 am

“Jack Abramoff put it pretty well. When asked by Leslie Stahl on 60 Minutes whether either party had a lock on taking gifts from his combine, he stated that it was about the same with each party. The only one that he could not corrupt was none other than Newt Gingrich.”

Thats because he was quite able to do it himself, thank you.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

November 18th, 2011
9:11 am

Well, they don’t pay them hardly anything. So a few thousand in gifts and golf trips and whatever makes it worthwhile to serve the people. So leave them alone. Long as they got that R after their name.

Folks, I’m out here in the cold hauling and humping it. Trying to get you ready to swap weird music tonight. The boss down at the warehouse ain’t said nothing about Saturday work, but I know it’s coming, soon as they start selling booze on Sunday. Thanks alot for your vote. Bunch of drunks and sadists.

Jay

November 18th, 2011
9:12 am

then again kayaker, regarding Newt and his Freddie Mac “historian” fees ….

“ABRAMOFF: Well I don’t know if (Gingrich) will survive this, to be honest with you, this is a very big thing. In fact –

GREGORY: Why?

ABRAMOFF: Because he is doing, and engaging in the exact kind of corruption that America disdains. The very things that anger the Tea Party movement and the Occupy Wall Street movement and everybody who is not in a movement and watches Washington and says, “Why are these guys getting all this money? Why do they go become so rich? Why do they have these advantages?” Unfortunately, Newt seems to have played right into it.”

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
9:13 am

The only one that he could not corrupt was none other than Newt Gingrich.

Was that a Tiffany’s bracelet I spied on Jackemoff’s wrist during that interview?

Granny Godzilla

November 18th, 2011
9:15 am

Kayaker 71

“The only one that he could not corrupt was none other than Newt Gingrich.”

He might not have been able to but somebody did.

Abramoff: Gingrich’s Involvement With Freddie Mac Is “Corruption”

not to mention 86 ethics charges in the House…..

mm

November 18th, 2011
9:15 am

This is what happens when you put repugs in charge. They’ve never found a rule they couldn’t break or rewrite to their advantage.

stands for decibels

November 18th, 2011
9:17 am

This is what happens when you put repugs in charge

mm, you’re harshin’ our buzz, here.

JohnnyReb

November 18th, 2011
9:18 am

Hello Paul – the link below takes you to a template where you can enter your AGI and it will display the tax group you are in with comments.

A couple who has an adjusted gross income of $400,000 is in the top 1% of earners. The top-earning 1% of taxpayers reported 16.93% of all AGI and paid 36.73% of total income taxes. They and the other 1.4 million taxpayers with incomes of $343,927 or more paid a total of $318.1 billion in federal income taxes.

Read more: http://www.kiplinger.com/tools/income_rank/index.php#ixzz1e0196yez

AmVet

November 18th, 2011
9:18 am

You loons wanted Dirty Deal and his gang of money-grabbers in power. Enjoy your handiwork.

And just be patient my non-Republican friends.

It only took a century to get these backassward faux-Christian hicks to finally give up their stranglehold regarding their mini-Prohibition.

In another hundred years or so, something will get done about their imperious, unapologetic corruption…

JohnnyReb

November 18th, 2011
9:19 am

You guys are fun in the morning. Have a good day. I have to make some bucks for Obama to redistribute.

Granny Godzilla

November 18th, 2011
9:20 am

carlosgvv

November 18th, 2011
9:08 am
Granny – 8:53

Since it must be obvious the two parties are never going to change, how about working for a third party?

Spent some time with the Greens in my youth, and would consider a third or fourth party candidate – but not if it would aid a conservative taking the White House….

Priorities and Pragmatism.

AmVet

November 18th, 2011
9:20 am

BTW, sorry about the extra duty, RC.

Here’s some weird music to let you know I appreciate you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h59mDlBSt7o

barking frog

November 18th, 2011
9:21 am

The elected officials can
1. do no research trips
2. do research trips at taxpayer expense
3. do research trips at the expense of individuals or organizations
research is often conducive to good legislation.

mm

November 18th, 2011
9:21 am

“I have to make some bucks for Obama to redistribute.”

No, actually you have to pay for tax cuts for the 1%.

St Simons - we're on Island time

November 18th, 2011
9:22 am

I think the quickest way to shame them (if it is possible to shame a Ga Republican) into getting this into law is to get it on the ballot as a referendum. How do we do that?

JohnnyReb

November 18th, 2011
9:23 am

mm – please see my 9:18 and then debate it with me another day. This time I am really out of here.

Jm

November 18th, 2011
9:24 am

You knew it wa a bad sign when John Kerry signed up

Among others on the super duper moron committee