Herman Cain, a political Icarus who flew too close to the sun
Like Howard Dean, another political Icarus, candidate Herman Cain rose higher and faster than he had ever imagined possible. Like Dean, he was poorly prepared to handle that high-flying success.
But that’s where their story lines diverge. Dean, the early Democratic frontrunner in 2004, went on to serve as chairman of the Democratic National Committee and become a respected figure in the party. Cain’s story seems destined to take a more tragic arc.
In the beginning, the former pizza-company CEO saw the campaign as a chance to bask in the fringes of the national spotlight, advance his media career and maybe even talk a little about his favorite cause, the FairTax. It was a no-lose proposition. He saw no reason to spend the time or money to put together a professional political operation, no need to prepare himself with extensive study of the issues of the day. More importantly, as it turns out, he felt little need to deal with any skeletons that might be lingering in his closet, because he had no reason to believe that they would ever become relevant.
He would just wing it and see how far his salesman’s spiel, big smile and booming laugh would take him.
In Cain’s defense, he could not have known that those traits would take him a long, long way. I confess that I certainly didn’t see all this coming. When Cain announced last spring, I wrote him off, noting that “for all the fervor, let’s be honest: Cain is not a legitimate candidate for president.” And I was far from alone. In a common sentiment, conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer also dismissed the Cain candidacy on Fox News, saying it existed for “entertainment purposes only.”
At the time, in his heart of hearts, I’m not sure that Cain himself disagreed with that assessment. But funny things started to happen. Prominent Republicans such as Mitch Daniels and Mike Huckabee declined to run, creating a vacuum of sorts. A series of challengers to frontrunner Mitt Romney rose to prominence and then collapsed under the weight of their own incompetence and extremism. And throughout it all, there was Cain, offering himself as an empty vessel to a lot of Republicans seeking a place to pour their frustrations and resentment.
Naturally, as Cain began to move up the polls and attract more scrutiny, he began to make mistakes. His lack of preparation and seriousness began to betray him. Things began spiraling out of his control, but oddly, that spiral was lifting him higher, into the upper echelon of GOP candidates. With each mistake, he gained more and more visibility. His popularity seemed to grow by feeding off negative stories that would have crushed a more traditional candidate.
As of a month ago, Cain had achieved the fame and the name recognition that he had sought and then some. Had the campaign somehow ended right then, it would have been a remarkable success and Cain could have reaped significant rewards from it. But that’s not how such things work.
As Dean can attest, once a novelty candidacy begins to take on the trappings of the real thing, everything changes. The media start taking you seriously. Your opponents start to take you seriously. Most importantly, you start taking yourself seriously. I have always believed that Dean’s self-destruction in the 2004 campaign was driven largely by his own panic at finding the Big Brass Ring within his grasp, and knowing he wasn’t ready for it.
I still don’t believe that Cain ever had a shot at the nomination. But for understandable reasons, he began to think he did. Suddenly, he had something to lose, and it changed how he operated. He became defensive with the press. He picked a fight with Texas Gov. Rick Perry. The genial Cain became aloof and angry Cain.
And then, of course, the claims of sexual harassment hit, threatening to undo every gain that Cain has made in this campaign. With two paid settlements on his record, and at current count two other women making allegations, it is hard even for his defenders to dismiss it all as lies.
Sometimes, the worst thing that can happen to someone is success.
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Tancred
November 9th, 2011
8:49 am
It’s uncanny how HC reminds me of Clarence Thomas.
Aquagirl
November 9th, 2011
8:52 am
I wouldn’t cry too much, Jay, he can retreat to his talk radio world and complain about the lib’rul lamestream media, demoncrats, uppity b!tches, Illuminati, and the heartbreak of psoriasis.
Scooter
November 9th, 2011
8:53 am
Cain just needs this to go away like The Obama’s twenty year attendance to Reverend Wright’s church did.
wowzer
November 9th, 2011
8:53 am
I disagree with the majority of is political platform, however I sincerely hope these charges do not completely tarnish his reputation.
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
8:58 am
Even convicted felons can get syndicated Reich-wing radio shows. Cain’s future is secure.
Tancred
November 9th, 2011
8:59 am
“…tarnish his reputation.”
4 different women all coming forward…That IS his reputation.
Normal
November 9th, 2011
9:00 am
Aqualgirl @ 0852,
Yeah, Fox News will love him. He will get the ratings but will have about as much relevance as Glenn Beck.
Kamchak
November 9th, 2011
9:01 am
For the Cain train
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP4VkqE2yWs
Normal
November 9th, 2011
9:02 am
I put this out downstairs, but….
http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/11/08/political-pictures-two-scoops-please/
Brad Steel
November 9th, 2011
9:04 am
I am in it, to win it.
Has anyone checked to make sure that Johnny Cochran did not fake his own death? Cain seems to be way to much like Johnny Cochran.
And I expect Cain’s glove will also not fit, and he will a quit.
Aquagirl
November 9th, 2011
9:07 am
I put this out downstairs, but….
I never knew “assaulted peanuts” could be so funny.
saywhat?
November 9th, 2011
9:10 am
In one year, it will be like early 2011 again, with America asking “Herman who?”, just as it should be.
Newtpewt
November 9th, 2011
9:11 am
Cain’s appeal is that he is not of the Capitol Beltway. However, he’s just an D.C. insider like all the rest; being the head lobbyist for the Nat’l Restaurant Association. I don’t think he was such a successful businessman: Cain travelled around the different Godfather franchises giving motivational speeches while the day-to-day running of the business went to other folks.
Gator Joe
November 9th, 2011
9:13 am
Jay:
If Mr. Cain did in fact engage in the behavior the four women have accused him of, then such behavior should be sufficient justification for voters to reject him, that is, unless you are a Fox-brainwashed, Right-Wing, supporter who will not think for themselves. As a Liberal Democrat, I should welcome his remaining in the race, I don’t however; if he should happen to win the Presidency it would be harmful for our country, especially for those citizens who are suffering the effects of the prior Republican administration.
The Snark
November 9th, 2011
9:14 am
Here’s hoping that the Republican primary voters get serious about competent, responsible candidates for public office and stop chasing “novelty campaigns” for their entertainment value.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 9th, 2011
9:15 am
I look forward to hearing Mr. Cain return to his customary weekday evening rant slot on WSB-AM, where he can shriek about “treason” and “tyranny” and shill for Comcast business services to his heart’s content.
Joe The Plumber too.
November 9th, 2011
9:15 am
It has been funny to read the posts here and on other lib blogs about Herman Cain, the putdowns, the attacks on him as businessman as well as the personal attacks started long before these women crawled out the woodwork with these claims. I have watched racial attacks on the man that would have gotten anyone on the right banned for saying about obama. I have read the perverted remarks by some posters that libs find funny but then that should come as no surprise when a perve poster on jays blog can post things about his daughters private parts and hear nothing from the blogmaster about toning it down. The simple truth of the matter is Herman Cain scares the left to death, denials from the usual group to follow but some of us realize it to be true, if Herman were to get the nomination, the bedwetters dream turns into a nightmare as they lose all the racebaiting tactics that has been the way to hold so many of the Black Americans in the fold for way too long. Unlike urkle, and his un-transparent administration, Herman is not going to cut and run and those of us who are Black Americans may just have our first Black President come 2013. Let the attacks begin.
willie lynch
November 9th, 2011
9:15 am
Herman Cain was benefiting from a misalignment of the planets. I never listened to him on the radio but after hearing him a couple of times on the campaign trail this guy struck me as completely inept. Cain’s collapse (while amusing) is not at all surprising the surprising thing is that he stayed afloat so long.
Rick Perry on the other hand is the equivalent of a first round bust. He came in with all the expectations that he was going to not only save the Repug’s but America to boot. Class A clown.
Bye Bye Heman, Rick, Michelle and Newt we hardly knew ya.
carlosgvv
November 9th, 2011
9:16 am
Sometimes, when the worst thing that can happen to someone is success, the whole country suffers. The two term presidency of George W. Bush comes to mind here. And, because this clearly incompetent man was elected and re-elected by the faithful, the political times are now in a new normal. This means that Cain, who in saner times would have no chance, now has a real shot at being our next President. That old Chinese curse, “may you live in interesting times”, has come to roost and looks as though it is here to stay.
TaxPayer
November 9th, 2011
9:17 am
I’m sure Cain still has the votes of scout and del though.
1811/0311
November 9th, 2011
9:18 am
Jay:
I had always hoped Cain would get the V.P. nod to prepare him for the next round. In any case, in my opinion it’s always a double standard (Clinton/Cain just being one example).
“And then, of course, the claims of sexual harassment hit, threatening to undo every gain that Cain has made in this campaign. With two paid settlements on his record, and at current count two other women making allegations, it is hard even for his defenders to dismiss it all as lies.”
Headlines today:
CAIN ACCUSER HAS HISTORY OF FILING WORKPLACE COMPLAINTS…
One accuser works for Obama…
Another lived in same building as top Obama aide…
‘She’s a complete gold digger’: Murky past of Herman Cain accuser starts to emerge
Fiance of Sharon Bialek says he is supporting her but did not find out until Friday
If the mainstream media has any integrity, they will leave “no stone unturned” on Cain or “any” of these women. Let’s the chips fall where they may.
TaxPayer
November 9th, 2011
9:19 am
Joe the Plumber reads too many rightwingnut blogs.
1811/0311
November 9th, 2011
9:21 am
TaxPayer:
Clinton ………… sexual contact with a very young intern under his direct supervision on government property on government time.
Did you vote for him ?
Normal
November 9th, 2011
9:21 am
That’s right, Scout…find fault with the victims…after all, they are only women….and you know they don’t even deserve the right to have ownership over their own bodies….
TaxPayer
November 9th, 2011
9:22 am
Did you vote for him ?
Did you work for him?
kayaker 71
November 9th, 2011
9:23 am
Bookman’s patronizing piece above tears at my heart strings. “Even Charles Krauthammer”……. hell, you haven’t believed anything that old Charles has ever said. And comparing Dean, who is a buffoon, to Cain, who is a serious candidate, is folly at it’s worst/best. Dean never gained front runner status like Cain has. BTW, Cain, as of Nov 7th was still the frontrunner, according to Fox and nearly 69% of Republicans, according to Yahoo polling statistics (telephone poll of over 1,100 respondents) still back Cain. And surprise….. these same respondents feel that the Media has given Cain a raw deal.
I really don’t care how many women that he allegedly harassed. I don’t care if he eats Cherrios for breakfast while wearing an Elvis costume. If he can turn this economy around and put our nation back to work while fixing this horrendous tax code he will be the greatest president in the 21st century. Bozo sure hasn’t been able to get us off ground zero and you still think that he deserves re-election. Obama voters are a much bigger problem for this nation than any one thing that we endure. When is Bookman and the MSM going to start on Newt?
Normal
November 9th, 2011
9:23 am
“Clinton ………… sexual contact with a very young intern under his direct supervision on government property on government time.”
Bottom line Scout, she was of legal age and it was CONSENTUAL! That’s not the case with Herman Cain.
1811/0311
November 9th, 2011
9:23 am
“OCCUT*RD” Update:
Headline: “‘Occupy’ Plagued by Reports of Sex Attacks”
“Incidents of sexual abuse, violence at once-peaceful protests fuel fears that even more crime is going unreported.”
Normal
November 9th, 2011
9:25 am
1811/0311
November 9th, 2011
9:23 am
Link, please…
Aquagirl
November 9th, 2011
9:26 am
Let the attacks begin.
You’re gonna have to settle for yawns and maybe a few giggles.
Can someone please pass the assaulted peanuts?
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
9:27 am
The simple truth of the matter is Herman Cain scares the left to death
Hahahahahahahahahahahahah Hoo hoo hoo weeeeeeeee!!!!! Too funny. Projection much?
If you want to know which candidate is the serious threat to the D party at this point, look at who they are buying ad time against… Mitt. Only Mitt at this point. They are ignoring the rest of the field and focusing on Mitt with ad buys.
On Cain, the left is sitting back and eating popcorn, knowing full well that this is an intramural scrimmage set off by some right wing money, likely Karl Rove’s.
But, hey, in your worldview, that’s soooo unlikely. It has to be about the “left’s” fear and not, say, establishment Republican fear.
1811/0311
November 9th, 2011
9:27 am
Normal:
All you guys did was call the “Clinton women” liars.
All I’m saying is let the press find out the truth on these women.
Big difference.
What Clinton did (consensual or not) was a firing offense for any federal manager. It is assume NOT to be consensual because of the manager’s position to promote, give out awards, better assignments, etc.
Your reponse was pathetic.
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
9:28 am
kayaker bought Cain’s book.
Kamchak
November 9th, 2011
9:28 am
The simple truth of the matter is Herman Cain scares the left to death…
Geez, not this crap again.
Libertarian
November 9th, 2011
9:30 am
I thought America was all about “innocent until proven guilty.” Doesn’t seem to be the case with Cain amongst the liberals on this blog. Seems most of you have already labeled him as guilty and written him off. Not surprising.
TaxPayer
November 9th, 2011
9:30 am
I hope scout’s former bosses thoroughly critiqued any “evidence” he submitted on any of those cases he claimed to have been involved in given how judgemental scout tends to be when presented with nothing more than innuendo or second-hand gossip from questionable sources, etc.
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
9:32 am
I thought America was all about “innocent until proven guilty.”
Ready to keep Sandusky at his job at Penn State are you? You really think that?
St Simons - we're on Island time
November 9th, 2011
9:32 am
the Republican audience will applaud sexual assault at the next ‘debate’
Kamchak
November 9th, 2011
9:33 am
Seems most of you have already labeled him as guilty and written him off.
I “wrote him off” long before these allegations came out.
So did our host.
Did you even bother to read Jay’s piece?
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
9:33 am
St. Simons: +1 for the laugh. +2 if it comes true.
Adam
November 9th, 2011
9:33 am
Getting tired of hearing about Herman Cain.
I’m sitting out this thread.
Normal
November 9th, 2011
9:34 am
1811/0311
November 9th, 2011
9:27 am
No Scout, your narrow mindedness is pathetic.
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
9:35 am
Adam, won’t be long now. His 15 minutes on the national stage are nearly up.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
November 9th, 2011
9:36 am
Tancred
November 9th, 2011
8:49 am
Yeah, they’re both successful black conservatives – something the left hates.
I’d hang out with Thomas and Cain any day of the week over the “Revs” – J Jackson and A Sharpton.
Peadawg
November 9th, 2011
9:37 am
“No Scout, your narrow mindedness is pathetic.”
How is it narrow minded to question the women’s motive when she come out w/ an allegation and hires a scum lawyer when there are witness who saw them backstage at a Tea Party event recently hugging like they were old friends? If he came onto her years ago, why would she give him a hug when they saw each other recently?
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
9:38 am
Leg, do you think they’d hang out with YOU, though?
Jay
November 9th, 2011
9:38 am
In a more sane era, none of this would have become public because Cain never would have gotten this far. And the truth is, like most Americans I don’t know what to make of all these allegations.
I do know that someone who believes China doesn’t have the nuclear bomb and that Palestinians ought to have the right to return to Israel, who would trade terrorists at Guantanamo for U.S. hostages, who doesn’t know what a neoconservative is and says he believes in the right to life but wants to leave the decision to the family not government is not by any stretch of even the most rubbery of imaginations qualified to be even be considered for president.
I hope I have made myself clear.
Don't Count Cain Out!
November 9th, 2011
9:38 am
To compare Cain and Dean is laughable ….. like equateing OWS to the TP. It’s starting to become apparent that the two known Cain accusers have a lot of baggage in their backgroud, which will cause their claims against Cain to not have credibility. The fact that one of these women lives in the same building as David Axlerod and the other works for the Obama administraytion will not go unnnoticed. Americans are sick & tried of the politics of personal destruction. Cain offers new hope and a “real” change.
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
9:38 am
Peadawg, was Allred a scum lawyer when she was handling the allegations concerning Congresscritter Wiener?
TaxPayer
November 9th, 2011
9:39 am
I’d hang out with Thomas and Cain any day of the week
If only the Koch crooks would give you a spot at the table. Then again, if you fork over a million or so, you could find yourself seated next to one of them at the next Koch-sponsored Tea Party update.
Chuck Doberman
November 9th, 2011
9:39 am
“Here’s hoping that the Republican primary voters get serious about competent, responsible candidates for public office and stop chasing “novelty campaigns” for their entertainment value”
Look at the choices available; A lobbyist tal-radio host accused of harassing 4 women who claims he’s a DC outsider, Two mormons, one of which is far too sensible for the party extremists and so is invisible and the other who… well… has consistently scored a 10.0 in the gymnastics of flip-flopping… I don’t think HE knows what he believes. A woman who thinks she can fix gay people and wants to rule via scripture. A has-been who wasn’t that great back then, despite him telling you how smart he is and a fundamentalist crackpot who shares the woman’s desire to rule with “the word of God”.
Now think about how far right the GOP machine has veered in the past 10 years… then think about your request that they seek competence and responsibility… I mean these are the folk that SWEAR that their policies and practices had ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY NOTHING to do with the poor state of the economy today and that ALL fault and responsibility for such lies at the feet of Obama.
Good Luck
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
November 9th, 2011
9:40 am
Normal
November 9th, 2011
9:21 am
Of course you had no problems with Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Gennifer Flowers…….
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
9:40 am
Hey Don’t Count, does a ranger working at Yellowstone Park “work for the Obama Administration”?
Stevie Ray
November 9th, 2011
9:41 am
Jay,
Funny post this morning. Interesting to see if Cain releases Restaurant Association related files. I’ve go much experience in employment practices liability actions. You may be surprised to know that most, if not all are settled as opposed to defended. As a result, most often, only 2 people know what actually happened. It’s economics…pay $100K for no admission or pay $500K for legal expenses to defend.
Do you think we will ever know the real truth? Do we think it really matters? It would be refreshing to have some non-politician in office…
Have you checked out Americanselect.org…like your opinions..
Peadawg
November 9th, 2011
9:41 am
“Peadawg, was Allred a scum lawyer when she was handling the allegations concerning Congresscritter Wiener?”
She’s a scum celebrity lawyer who is hyper feminist that sues the boyscouts for letting in girls.
Jay
November 9th, 2011
9:41 am
How is it narrow minded to question the women’s motive when she come out w/ an allegation and hires a scum lawyer when there are witness who saw them backstage at a Tea Party event recently hugging like they were old friends? If he came onto her years ago, why would she give him a hug when they saw each other recently?
And Peadawg, how could all that be true about the Tea Party event while Cain said yesterday that he had never seen Bialek before in his life until her press conference?
That’s a hard one, huh?
Peadawg
November 9th, 2011
9:42 am
Leg,
Monica and Paula were different then this. Those were consensual.
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
9:42 am
I don’t think HE knows what he believes
Sure he does. He believes that he needs to say whatever it takes to get elected. The real issue is that WE don’t really know what he believes and what he’s just saying to get elected.
Peadawg
November 9th, 2011
9:42 am
“And Peadawg, how could all that be true about the Tea Party event while Cain said yesterday that he had never seen Bialek before in his life until her press conference?”
I’m thinking Cain’s lying through his tooth on that one.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
November 9th, 2011
9:43 am
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
9:38 am
Ha, good one. Doubt it with Thomas, but if I were to donate enough to Cain’s campaign he might give me the time of day….
arnold
November 9th, 2011
9:43 am
Cain is running to be the Conservative Martyr. He will slow done just like Palin.
TaxPayer
November 9th, 2011
9:45 am
I hope I have made myself clear.
Given Cain’s qualifications, he is best kept in reserve and used on a hail mary pass by the party’s chosen one. Does Cain have any experience as a cheerleader or perhaps as a beauty pageant contestant because I think that could help him out once we get down to the veep selection. Also, does anyone know what Cain can see from his back porch. I’m sure the GOP has a standardized questionnaire that covers all the essentials though.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
November 9th, 2011
9:45 am
Peadawg
November 9th, 2011
9:42 am
Oh, okay, so Clinton was wrongly accused…
Jay
November 9th, 2011
9:45 am
“I’m thinking Cain’s lying through his tooth on that one.”
And why would he do that?
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
9:45 am
Leg: excellent response!
Peadawg
November 9th, 2011
9:46 am
“Sure he does. He believes that he needs to say whatever it takes to get elected. The real issue is that WE don’t really know what he believes and what he’s just saying to get elected.”
That usually the case with every politician that runs for office.
philosopher
November 9th, 2011
9:46 am
Cain was never a threat to anyone…except perhaps to women who got too close… Once he opened his mouth I was certain even the rightwingnuts were too intelligent to give him any consideration….I guess I gave them too much credit.
kayaker 71
November 9th, 2011
9:46 am
“I don’t know what to make of these allegations”…… “I hope I have made myself clear”…. Yeah, you sure have. First you write an obit on this guy’s campaign while supporting a clown in the WH who is about to destroy this nation. If you believe that Cain supporters are some kind of neo-con nut, it cannot compare to the liberal denial that is so prevalent in everything that Bozo does. He is a failure, we are broke and you want to put him back in the WH for more of the same. I hope I have made myself clear. Bend over Newt…. you’re next.
Elmer Gantry
November 9th, 2011
9:46 am
Icarus is a professional wrestler, which leads me to believe that Herman Cain has a brilliant future ahead of him. He coulld have one of the ladies that he allegedly harassed sexually as his tag team partner and their opponents would be Gloria Allred and her latest sexual abuse victim. It would make millions. Herman still has a chance but as Clint Eastwood said, “a man just has to know his limitations” and Herman obviously does not.
Joe The Plumber too.
November 9th, 2011
9:47 am
As expected, as usual with the libs it is attack time. Two questions of my esteemed left bloggers:1) If your problem with Herman Cain is just political, where is the outrage when someone posts racial or perverted comments about him on this blog? The only one I have seen call down fellow libs on here is granny. 2) Do you not consider a racial attack bad reguardless of political party or does your outrage and disgust only surface if there is a D following the name?
Jay
November 9th, 2011
9:48 am
Amvet, cease the personal attack.
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
November 9th, 2011
9:48 am
TaxPayer
November 9th, 2011
9:45 am
“Also, does anyone know what Cain can see from his back porch”
Geez o pete, I see the morons who still confuse Tina Fey with Sarah Palin still dwell amongst us…..
Peadawg
November 9th, 2011
9:48 am
“And why would he do that?” – He’s a politician trying to get elected.
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
9:48 am
… while supporting a clown in the WH who is about to destroy this nation.
It’s the APOCALYPSE!!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahah hooo hooooo weeeeeeee!!! Some people are just born funny, other’s don’t even know it.
willie lynch
November 9th, 2011
9:49 am
1811/0311
November 9th, 2011
9:18 am
Cain’s first public accuser’s story seems very sketchy. But Cain’s “I will take a lie detector test”…maybe, doesn’t seem like a strong show of indignation or confidence for that matter.
Aquagirl
November 9th, 2011
9:49 am
You may be surprised to know that most, if not all are settled as opposed to defended.
I’m not surprised. There’s a lot of @$$-grabbing oinkers out there. I’m also not surprised there’s a lot of boys defending them.
willie lynch
November 9th, 2011
9:51 am
Let Cain take a lie detector test and be done with it.
Stevie Ray
November 9th, 2011
9:51 am
Chuck,
Great assessment of GOP candidates. Question for you is who on the left is materially better and doesn’t say anything to get elected (sans the ridiculous god can save the gays, and let’s get into every womans womb positions)? Has OBAMA really delivered change we can believe in? (That battle cry has turned into “It’s not our fault”…and business as usual continues in DC). I think not in any respect. Like all others, he is betrothen primarily to re-election and secondarily to his largest campaign contributors. Who can you put forth that truly represents us voters??
BO has simply spent trillions of dollars, like his predecessors, with ZERO return on investment…no new jobs (not that government can create same excepting more government jobs we can’t afford), no IRAQ oil preferential treatment after trillions and US loss of life.
They are all the same…
mm
November 9th, 2011
9:51 am
“The simple truth of the matter is Herman Cain scares the left to death,”
That is the same idiotic thing you righties said about Sarah Palin.
I hope he wins the GOP nomination. Let’s put this in to perspective.
The majority of Americans are middle class or poor. The small minority are rich.
Do you think Americans will vote for Cain, who proposes raising taxes on the poor and middle class and cutting taxes on the rich.
Or do you think Americans will vote for Obama, who proposes raising taxes on the rich, and cutting taxes on the middle class and poor.
Got math?
Hootinanny Yum Yum
November 9th, 2011
9:51 am
Interesting reading. From Faux News, “Cain Accuser Filed Complaint In Next Job”.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/09/cain-accuser-filed-complaint-in-next-job/?test=latestnews
Brosephus™
November 9th, 2011
9:51 am
I was gonna sit this thread out, as I’m way past tired of this crap, but I had to respond to this here….
Herman were to get the nomination, the bedwetters dream turns into a nightmare as they lose all the racebaiting tactics that has been the way to hold so many of the Black Americans in the fold for way too long. Unlike urkle, and his un-transparent administration, Herman is not going to cut and run and those of us who are Black Americans may just have our first Black President come 2013.
Herman Cain would do no such thing. The fact that you have to harp on his race to make a point shows that your entire argument is weak from the jump. If Cain were indeed a viable and strong candidate, his race wouldn’t matter at all. Also, contrary to popular opinion, YOU do not speak for all Black Americans. Last time I checked, having dark-skinned African blood flowing through your veins rendered you Black in America. So, America has a Black president in office now, and if you went by the one drop rule, America had it’s first Black president long ago.
TaxPayer
November 9th, 2011
9:52 am
Has anyone seen the racial or perverted comments section of the blog. I seem to have misplaced it and I so wanted to check out Joe the Plumber’s concerns.
mm
November 9th, 2011
9:54 am
And for good measure, the union hating, immigrant hating, and abortion hating wingnuts are being shown the door around the country.
Impending doom for the GOP.
Granny Godzilla
November 9th, 2011
9:56 am
Cain who?
TaxPayer
November 9th, 2011
9:57 am
Geez o pete, I see the morons who still confuse Tina Fey with Sarah Palin still dwell amongst us…..
Geez o pete, I see a moron claiming that I confused Fey with Palin when in fact I was commenting about Cain’s lack of qualifications to hold so much as the second in command post much less the top spot.
kayaker 71
November 9th, 2011
9:57 am
ByteMe,
GNP equals our debt.
Fannie wants another 7.5B to bail them out for July-November.
Our debt is higher than it has ever been.
Unemployment figures haven’t moved significantly for the last three years.
Record foreclosures and short sales in the housing market.
Major debacles in policy, ie, Fast and Furious, Solyndra and two other “green companies”, a failed stimulus, Cash for Clunkers, a job bill that has no chance of putting people back to work.
All this and you laugh. YOU LAUGH. This country is in the tank and you laugh. What an idiot.
Stevie Ray
November 9th, 2011
9:57 am
PEADAWG,
Heck I forgot all about Weiner…only constant is that power corrupts and ultimately casts a spotlight on character defects which we all have…Gingrich, Weiner, Clinton, JFK, Thomas, the list goes on and on….Now, let’s take a moment to consider how many more simply never got caught?
Scarey yet not surprising human nature being what it is…
Any presumptions of guilt as Jay seems to infer are purely politically motivated and based on insufficient data ergo, very National Enquiresque…but we gotta fill the 24/7 news entertainment cycle..
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
November 9th, 2011
9:58 am
willie lynch
November 9th, 2011
9:51 am
Riiiiiight. After all, those devices are the benchmark of accuracy.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
November 9th, 2011
9:59 am
Jay’s written Cain’s obituary and it may turn out that he’s out of the running. Jay says that he never did believe that Cain would succeed in getting the Republican nomination. That could also be true but the Democrats none the less truly fear him and the problems it could portend if he only became a V.P. running mate along side whoever does emerge as the Republican choice. The allegations from the two accusers who’ve publicly stepped forward albeit with questionable backgrounds of their own must have support coming from somewhere in the background of this and should it be discovered that this indeed was a planned hatchet job on a Black conservative it could mean serious problems for the Democrats in 012. Herman may very well be out of it but revenge could still be his.
Kamchak
November 9th, 2011
9:59 am
Interesting reading. From Faux News, “Cain Accuser Filed Complaint In Next Job”.
Spamming the blog with crap that’s already been addressed twice, the second time directly to you.
Don’t
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you
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guys
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read?
Adam
November 9th, 2011
9:59 am
I was planning on not saying anything but I just have to ask, Joe the Plumber, WHERE exactly are these racial and perverted comments by libs?
Jm
November 9th, 2011
10:01 am
Cain is not the important news
Italy and the super committee are. Jay, why don’t you catch us up on the big important, but less sexy, stories?
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
November 9th, 2011
10:01 am
TaxPayer
November 9th, 2011
9:57 am
Nice, but unsuccessful, attempt at a dodge. Riiiight – the comment about what Cain can see from his back porch was about his job qualifications rather than a knock on Palin. LOL!!!
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
10:01 am
kayaker: yes.. I laugh. At you.
Dogs and cats fornicating in the streets! Oh my god!!!
Death doom destruction everywhere. It’s insane! Insane!!!
Sigh.
Always look at the bri-i-i-i-ght side of life….
The Leg Lamp is a "major award".....
November 9th, 2011
10:02 am
Jm
November 9th, 2011
10:01 am
Good post. I would imagine Jay has yet to find a way to link Italy to the GOP.
ByteMe
November 9th, 2011
10:03 am
Democrats none the less truly fear him
We only fear for our daughters.
Joe Hussein Mama
November 9th, 2011
10:03 am
Libertarian — “I thought America was all about “innocent until proven guilty.” Doesn’t seem to be the case with Cain amongst the liberals on this blog. Seems most of you have already labeled him as guilty and written him off. Not surprising.”
Guilt is irrelevant since the settlements and nondisclosure agreements were executed. Guilt or innocence no longer enters into the matter.
Stevie Ray
November 9th, 2011
10:03 am
Brocephus,
Spot on. I’m getting so confused as to how the definition of racism has broadend to an extent I absolutely have no clue what it means. I heard an AmericaLeft talk show host refer to both Bill Cosby and Herman Cain as racists against…well folks of their own race. I recall Cosby committed the sin of calling out deadbeat fathers and husbands and this talk show host suggested that many of Cains comments were also racists. Has the definition expanded inversely to incidents of blatant racism…extreme hatred of those not of your color?
I often get concerned that the Jesse Jacksons, Al Sharptons and other similar individuals pray that racism never goes away…Very confusing topic any more for me..
Cossacks R Kewl
November 9th, 2011
10:04 am
Peadiddly – grasping at straws again, huh? the more things change, the more they just stay the same.
Welcome to the Occupation
November 9th, 2011
10:05 am
”he’ll be as relevant as Glenn Beck”
Glenn who?