Getting to the truth about HOT-lane operations

The Georgia Public Policy Foundation, an Atlanta-based free-market think tank, wields a lot of influence with the state’s conservative leadership. The foundation has also been a leading advocate of public and private toll-road projects, including the controversial I-85 HOT-lane conversion.

In an article headlined “State must ensure Georgians warm up to HOT lanes,” GPPF vice president Benita Dodd pleads for patience from commuters and politicians alike, saying it’s much too early to proclaim the I-85 project a failure. In other cities, she points out, it took some time before motorists got used to the idea and began to use HOT lanes regularly.

Her point is valid. When Ga. 400 first opened, Atlanta media outlets, including this newspaper, ran a lot of stories pointing out that very few people were using the highway. That situation changed pretty quickly as commuters changed their travel patterns.

To bolster public patience, Dodd cites the example of State Route 91 in southern California. After HOT lanes opened on that highly congested route, Dodd writes, toll-paying commuters not only saved 30 minutes on a 10-mile trip, “Rush-hour speeds in the regular lanes increased by 17 mph and peak-period congestion in the morning was reduced by over an hour.”

That does sound highly encouraging — a 17-mph increase in the general lanes! Unfortunately, it has not exactly been the experience of commuters in the I-85 corridor, where motorists in the regular lanes complain that commutes have gotten considerably longer. Why has our experience been so different?

Well, here in Georgia, the two new HOT lanes — one in each direction — were carved out of existing interstate, pushing traffic into the remaining lanes. In California, traffic flow improved because four additional travel lanes — two in each direction — were built in the median of SR 91 as HOT lanes. In other words, significant new capacity — not HOT-lane technology — accounted for the improvement cited by Dodd. (By the way, that improvement proved temporary, largely disappearing as additional traffic was drawn by that additional capacity.)

GPPF has also tried to dispel the notion of HOT lanes as “Lexus lanes,” which it defines as “an elitist way to enable wealthier, paying motorists to bypass the congestion that the unwashed masses must endure.” Again citing California’s experience, GPPF claims that HOT-lane users on SR 91 were no different demographically than those using regular lanes.

The Reason Foundation, the libertarian think tank that has championed HOT lanes on the national level, makes similar claims, arguing that “studies of the 91 Express Lanes indicate that use increases slightly with income group.” However, the studies cited by Reason and GPPF directly contradict what they claim.

According to those studies, commuters with incomes above $100,000 were more than twice as likely to use the toll lanes frequently than those making less than $60,000. That is not a “slight increase” among income groups. The studies also found that as fares rose higher and higher, usage by middle-income commuters dropped significantly.

“The significant decline in reported toll lane use by commuters in the $40-60K category suggests that these middle-income commuters have been unusually sensitive to the toll increases, and are less willing to pay tolls despite the worsening traffic congestion in the corridor,” the study concluded.

That trend could be important to travelers in the I-85 corridor as that project matures, usage increases and tolls are raised to fend off congestion. (Today, the highest toll collected on SR 91 is $9.85 for the 10-mile trip, more than double the highest fare of 10 years ago.)

Interestingly, that study, led by Edward Sullivan of Cal Poly State University, also found that SR 91 commuters consistently overestimate how much time they save by using the toll lanes, overshooting the mark by anywhere from five to 30 minutes a trip.

“It suggests that making available accurate data on actual toll lane time savings might result in reduced toll lane use,” the writers warn. In other words, it’s not the deal it may appear to be, although you may already know that.

383 comments Add your comment

Normal

November 2nd, 2011
7:40 am

Hot lanes…don’t use them and never will…

jm

November 2nd, 2011
7:42 am

On topic – Toll lanes are the future. Like it or not.

off topic (way early)

Democrats criticize Erskine Bowles and don’t like his compromise. Figures.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67395.html

jm

November 2nd, 2011
7:42 am

Dare I say it? Yes I will….. HOT lanes are sexxxxxxxxy

jm

November 2nd, 2011
7:44 am

Jay doesn’t get math. So what if the wealthy use the lanes more? There aren’t so few of them that they impact the situation very little and the overall demographics are the same as the studies note.

The LANES ARE FOR PEOPLE IN A HURRY. And good thing Atlanta now has them.

jm

November 2nd, 2011
7:45 am

aren’t = are

Normal

November 2nd, 2011
7:46 am

I wonder how they will handle accidents in the hot lanes…shove the wreaks into the nonpaying lanes, probably…

stands for decibels

November 2nd, 2011
7:52 am

that improvement proved temporary, largely disappearing as additional traffic was drawn by that additional capacity

well knock me over with a feather.

stands for decibels

November 2nd, 2011
7:54 am

an Atlanta-based free-market think tank

Historians will refer to these as “domestic terror cells.”

Class of '98

November 2nd, 2011
7:55 am

I’m still trying to figure out how DECREASING traffic in one lane is supposed to also decrease the traffic in the other lanes.

It makes absolutely no sense.

jm

November 2nd, 2011
7:57 am

“It makes absolutely no sense.” To you. Cause you’re not a traffic engineer.

Paul

November 2nd, 2011
7:58 am

Jay, what’s the matter with you?!!?

“The Reason Foundation, the libertarian think tank that has championed HOT lanes on the national level, makes similar claims, arguing that “studies of the 91 Express Lanes indicate that use increases slightly with income group.” However, the studies cited by Reason and GPPF directly contradict what they claim.”

Don’t you know you’re not supposed to actually read cited references and see if they were accurately quoted?!!? You cite a study to bolster your case and that’s where it’s supposed to stop!

Jeff H.

November 2nd, 2011
7:58 am

stupid idea and I won’t use it. I already paid for the damn road.

JohnnyReb

November 2nd, 2011
7:59 am

Cal lets all drivers use the freeway exits while in ATL the HOV exits set unused contributing to the backup elsewhere. A perfect example of not having to look too far to see how GA traffice engineers/government screws things up. They set out, like Progressives, with good intentions but seldom take into account the likely collateral damage. The results is puishing traffic right causing more congestion and a popluous asking what the hell are they doing?

jm

November 2nd, 2011
8:01 am

Equally important news…… :)

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AmVet - Read my lips. No new hidden taxes.

November 2nd, 2011
8:03 am

Re, that 7:44,

Certainly not Republican math.

Nobody outside of the fringe does.

Hot lanes are just the latest travesty foisted on Georgians by the bumbling, corrupt men in charge of our state.

I hate if for the working class stiffs who commute and are stuck in that abysmal traffic for weeks out of the year.

But I love that I very, very seldom go to that wasteland called Gwinnett county…

Armed Liberal

November 2nd, 2011
8:04 am

Someone’s gonna make millions if they can make an aftermarket add-on that’ll obscure liscence plates at the touch of a button.

Paul

November 2nd, 2011
8:05 am

jm

“Cause you’re not a traffic engineer.”

Okay, then please explain how decreasing traffic in one lane decreases traffic in the other lanes.

Jay

November 2nd, 2011
8:06 am

jm, you claim the overall demographics are the same.

Can you document that claim, as I have documented mine? Because every study I’ve seen says you’re just making stuff up again.

And for the record, I have not seen a traffic engineer make the claim that HOT lanes will ease traffic on general-purpose lanes.. I’ve talked to a couple on this topic, and they are very careful NOT to make such a claim. Unless, as jm comes close to implying, HE is a traffic engineer as well as an economics expert.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 2nd, 2011
8:11 am

What? Some is mischaracterizing the results of studies and the actual information to say that apples = oranges. Shocking. But I always enjoy how when the righties relunctantly hint that perhaps, just perhaps, they may have made an error it is always something like “Bush spending like a drunken liberal” or “set out, like Progressives, with good intentions”. Oh Fox and the RNC has trained you well. Never admit a mistake without bringing in the other side to make it seem like they are worse.

Need other examples:

Hot lanes are an idea dumber than Michelle Bachmann at a history lesson
The tolls change faster than Cain’s story about sexually harrassing employees

Fiscally Con and Proud of it

November 2nd, 2011
8:11 am

Jay 8:06 unless you think GPPF is lying

“Again citing California’s experience, GPPF claims that HOT-lane users on SR 91 were no different demographically than those using regular lanes.”

Is that what you’re saying, they’re lying?

Jm

November 2nd, 2011
8:13 am

Oh, and Jay, I’ve repeatedly said I’m not a traffic engineer.

But I understand the logic of those who point out it will not significantly slow down the other lanes.

Brosephus

November 2nd, 2011
8:15 am

Any and all taxpayers who have to pay an additional toll to drive on roads they’ve already paid for with taxes should respond by voting out every jackass that cosigned to that dumbass idea. Had they decided to build new lanes as HOT lanes, that would have been different. However, I think it’s the epitome of jackassery to take something that’s already paid for and charge taxpayers even more to use it. Not to mention, the tolls will not generate enough for the maintenance and upkeep, therefore the drivers will still have to pay taxes to use those roads.

Jay

November 2nd, 2011
8:17 am

Yes, jm. I’m saying they got it wrong.

I asked them which studies they based that claim upon, I read those studies, and I found that the studies report the exact opposite of what GPPF and Reason claimed.

I include the actual study findings in the blog post above.

In an email yesterday, Robert Poole — the top guy at Reason on HOT lanes and the person often credited with their creation — acknowledged the error, saying that if he had edited the Reason documents that claim about a “slight” increase as income rises would not have been included.

godless heathen

November 2nd, 2011
8:18 am

“According to those studies, commuters with incomes above $100,000 were more than twice as likely to use the toll lanes frequently than those making less than $60,000.”

That’s good isn’t it?? Tax increase on the wealthy and all that.

I can’t wait to get up that way and go zooming by the poor peons stuck in the welfare lanes.

TaxPayer

November 2nd, 2011
8:18 am

Georgia just skipped over that capacity increase thingie because they determined from those studies that if they built it, they would come. :lol:

Anyway, someone is benefitting from those HOT lanes and perhaps one day we will be privy to that information. Follow the money. It could be in the studies or in the new technology or on four wheels…

Mr Sunshine

November 2nd, 2011
8:18 am

My taxes are already paying for these. I will not use them. Lying politicians.

Jm

November 2nd, 2011
8:19 am

This whole comment in quotes below is a canard. No one has ever claimed, as Jay, points out, that it will make the other lanes faster. The argument is that won’t significantly cause a negative impact in the long run. But Jay doesn’t argue with his supporters. Gotta keep the cheerleading squad happy.

“Class of ‘98
November 2nd, 2011
7:55 am

I’m still trying to figure out how DECREASING traffic in one lane is supposed to also decrease the traffic in the other lanes.

It makes absolutely no sense.”

Paul

November 2nd, 2011
8:22 am

godless

I think you may be on to something. Superduper rich in Georgia need more tax breaks so they’ll have more money to use HOT lanes. This will, in turn, result in creating more jobs for the people who advocate, design, build and maintain HOT lanes.

TaxPayer

November 2nd, 2011
8:23 am

HOT lanes “work” on the masses by forcing them to shift the time that they attempt to gain passage to a less congested time.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new hidden taxes.

November 2nd, 2011
8:24 am

I knew it was just a matter of time before one of the right wingers posted, “I’m rich, so it’s no problem for me!”

Paul and I have laughed over the fact that that is one of the great beauties of a virtual persona; you can be anybody you want.

Even if it is not remotely based on reality…

Jm

November 2nd, 2011
8:24 am

Jay. I’ve tangled with Robert Poole over his mass transit studies. I don’t think he’s too bright.

Fine. If they do turn into “Lexus lanes”, let’s just make all lanes toll lanes because we have to pay for roads and the gas tax revenue will eventually go away.

Back to my original point. Tolls are the future, like it or not.

godless heathen

November 2nd, 2011
8:25 am

They’re shovel-ready, Paul.

Paul

November 2nd, 2011
8:27 am

Jm

“I don’t think he’s too bright.”

Because?

James Kirk

November 2nd, 2011
8:27 am

Our taxes paid for the highways once. This is robbery.

Brosephus

November 2nd, 2011
8:28 am

let’s just make all lanes toll lanes because we have to pay for roads and the gas tax revenue will eventually go away.

As long as politicians continue to be less than truthful and keep playing with the gas tax rates, the revenue will do as you say. We need honest politicians who will put the real and full price on taxes for services instead of trying to keep cutting them. If people knew the actual cost to do things, maybe they would change habits to lessen the needs for those services. As long as you keep providing 5-star services and charge dollar tree prices, habits will never change.

Jm

November 2nd, 2011
8:28 am

He’ll. The Obama FDOT is looking at tolling the whole national interstate system. Fact.

Guess we’ve found another point of disagreement between Jay and Obama.

:)

Normal

November 2nd, 2011
8:28 am

“Back to my original point. Tolls are the future, like it or not.”

May as well have the State build toll booths at the end of your driveway…exact change only, of course…

Jay

November 2nd, 2011
8:28 am

Well, isn’t it interesting how these goalposts get moved? Is there a special HOT lane to allow certain people to do it more quickly?

jm has gone from claiming that traffic engineers understand how decreasing traffic in one lane will decrease traffic in other lanes (7:57) to now pretending that no one would ever make such a silly statement (8:19).

No wonder he’s a Romney backer.

Ayn Rand's Medicare

November 2nd, 2011
8:30 am

I’m not a traffic engineer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express

Let Them Eat Cake

It is now the Con campaign slogan, and it fits on a bumpersticker
win-win

md

November 2nd, 2011
8:30 am

Well……in all my years in the Atl, when they have “built it, they have come”.

Costner would be proud. And I seriously doubt anything will change the situation anytime soon.

Jm

November 2nd, 2011
8:31 am

Paul 8:27
Because he doesn’t get the fact that we’ve generally maxed out our right of way and therefore mass transit investment does make some sense in the long run

Jim163

November 2nd, 2011
8:32 am

Another good read this morning, It appears Professor Curry from Ga. Tech is not to pleased with her team member Professor Muller…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html

Adam

November 2nd, 2011
8:32 am

The Georgia Public Policy Foundation, an Atlanta-based free-market think tank

The Apostle….

Rob

November 2nd, 2011
8:33 am

Jay,

Be careful not to fall in this trap.

“(By the way, that improvement proved temporary, largely disappearing as additional traffic was drawn by that additional capacity.)”

What you’re not seeing is where that additional traffic was coming from.
Would that capacity improvement keep more vehicles on our interstate system and off the already congested arterials and collectors?
Would that capacity improvement allow for vehicles to leave 15 min earlier? Even if your interstate is at capacity, the network can benefit if it’s jammed for only 90 minutes instead of 120 minutes.

Jm

November 2nd, 2011
8:33 am

Jay “jm has gone to claiming that traffic engineers understand how decreasing traffic in one lane will decrease traffic in other lanes”

Logic not your forte? I never claimed that. I gave a flippant response to class of 98’s absurd or I’ll informed post. I never claimed what you say I claimed.

Dear Jay is just lost…..

Adam

November 2nd, 2011
8:35 am

jm: “It makes absolutely no sense.” To you. Cause you’re not a traffic engineer.

And of course it makes PERFECT sense to YOU because you ARE a traffic engineer, right?

jm is just too smart for the rest of us! Now it all makes sense! He knows EVERYTHING better than the rest of us. We’re just too stupid to realize it :lol:

Butch Cassidy

November 2nd, 2011
8:35 am

So if a Republican complains about the HOT lanes because they are “Lexus Lanes”, and only allow faster commutes for the rich, does that constitute “Wealth Envy” ?

Bud Wiser

November 2nd, 2011
8:36 am

Toll roads.

Another tax on property already paid for by taxes, meaning taxpayers.

Adam

November 2nd, 2011
8:37 am

Paul: Don’t you know you’re not supposed to actually read cited references and see if they were accurately quoted?!!? You cite a study to bolster your case and that’s where it’s supposed to stop!

I always wondered where the conservative bloggers got this tendency. Dave R used to do it all the time and some people here still do it:

“You want proof! Here! This is the first or second article that came up when I googled a phrase! I didn’t read it but surely it backs up my point…. It’s more important to rebut you quickly than it is to be correct!”

TaxPayer

November 2nd, 2011
8:37 am

Well……in all my years in the Atl, when they have “built it, they have come”.

Darned McDonalds. They’re everywhere, I tells ya.

USinUK

November 2nd, 2011
8:38 am

jm – 7:42 – is that like sex trafficking? ;-)

Jm

November 2nd, 2011
8:38 am

Jays complaints are the same tired complaints of those that always react poorly to change. Whether for better or ill.

Some people just always whine about progress. Clearly Jay is one of them.

carlosgvv

November 2nd, 2011
8:40 am

The state’s conservative leadership are the ones responsible for the HOT lanes. It’s becoming increasing clear that they really are “Lexus lanes” and were intended to be that from the start. I guess the real question is how many “compassionate conservatives” in Georgia will be able or willing to admit this. My guess – few and none.

Adam

November 2nd, 2011
8:40 am

Jay: In an email yesterday, Robert Poole — the top guy at Reason on HOT lanes and the person often credited with their creation — acknowledged the error, saying that if he had edited the Reason documents that claim about a “slight” increase as income rises would not have been included.

I don’t suppose they corrected themselves on that?

Jm

November 2nd, 2011
8:41 am

Usinuk 8:38 :) Good one

Butch Cassidy

November 2nd, 2011
8:41 am

Hey all you Rightwingers in Gwinnett, stop complaining about having to sit in traffic because the tolls are to expensive in the HOT lanes. Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and get a better job that will pay you more so you too can use the HOT Lanes. Stop hating those that can afford it, punishing success won’t help your commute one bit!

Tommy Maddox

November 2nd, 2011
8:41 am

A couple of weeks ago, I took a moment to write to Gov. Deal and asked that the folks who came up with the idea of the I-85 HOT lanes be removed from office and publicly flogged. No response yet.

Adam

November 2nd, 2011
8:41 am

jm: He’ll. The Obama FDOT is looking at tolling the whole national interstate system. Fact.

This statement is evidence that just because you put the word “Fact” in your argument, doesn’t mean you have stated a fact.

lulu

November 2nd, 2011
8:42 am

Aren’t the HOT lanes doing exactly what they were designed to do? I definitely recall hearing everything that is happening now discussed when the HOT lanes were proposed.

Of course, if you hate the HOT lanes or have an awful commute, you could always save lots of time, money, fuel, and frustration by living closer to your job …

USinUK

November 2nd, 2011
8:42 am

Butch – are you saying they have … LANE ENVY???

Jay

November 2nd, 2011
8:42 am

Rob, I actually think the SR 91 project is the best possible use of HOT-lane technology. The four-lane facility was built on the median of SR 91, which makes a lot more sense than converting existing lanes. It was built in one of the most highly congested corridors on the country, which ensured it would be used. It was funded entirely through tolls charged to HOT-lane users, rather than diverting taxpayer resources to the project.

But here in Georgia we’re taking a “cool” philosophy that works in very limited applications elsewhere and trying to apply it throughout the interstate system. It tells you something when SR 91 is generating more than enough money to pay for everything — from construction of the lanes to operation and maintenance — but the project on I-85 won’t even pay for the cost of adding the technology needed to convert.

Aquagirl

November 2nd, 2011
8:42 am

It appears Professor Curry from Ga. Tech is not to pleased

No kidding, her sour puss would scare the paint off a building. You really need a warning with that link.

stands for decibels

November 2nd, 2011
8:42 am

So if a Republican complains about the HOT lanes because they are “Lexus Lanes”, and only allow faster commutes for the rich, does that constitute “Wealth Envy” ?

Butch, Butch, Butch.

It’s not wealth envy when they do it.

Nor is it reliance on Big Government when they do it (re-criminalizing abortion).

Nor is it Judicial Activism when they do it (pretty much anything out of the fetid Roberts court, but most notoriously Citizens United and DC v. Heller).

Nor is it Social Engineering when they do it (vouchers for radical-right religious schools).

USinUK

November 2nd, 2011
8:43 am

Adam – 8:41 – and CONSIDERING something /= IMPLEMENTING something

FACT

Butch Cassidy

November 2nd, 2011
8:44 am

USinUK – “Butch – are you saying they have … LANE ENVY???”

:)

USinUK

November 2nd, 2011
8:44 am

dB – and don’t forget it’s not nation-building when they do it (the Iraq chaos)

Adam

November 2nd, 2011
8:44 am

“Punishing success” is a phrase used by those who want to divert attention away from the fact that they want to punish the poor simply for being poor.

TaxPayer

November 2nd, 2011
8:45 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 2nd, 2011
8:45 am

Butch, you forgot….”If you are stuck in traffic, its your own fault.” ;)

USinUK

November 2nd, 2011
8:45 am

Keep up – well, it WAS your decision to buy a car

Jay

November 2nd, 2011
8:45 am

jm, I included the times at which you made those comments so readers can decide for themselves — if they’re really really bored — the context in which they were written and judge accordingly.

Adam

November 2nd, 2011
8:47 am

Keep: No, it’s “If you are stuck in traffic, BLAME YO’SELF!”

md

November 2nd, 2011
8:47 am

“It appears Professor Curry from Ga. Tech is not to pleased”

Jim…..no need to post links, the “scientists” on here have already made up their minds………..

USinUK

November 2nd, 2011
8:47 am

“The men are Frederick Thomas, 73; Dan Roberts, 67; Ray H. Adams, 65; and Samuel J. Crump, 68. Thomas is from Cleveland, Georgia, and the other three men are from Toccoa.”

Taxpayer –

don’t they mean Fredrick al Thomas and Dan Mahmoud Roberts and does the H in Ray Adam’s name stand for Hussein???

I mean, only Muslems are terraists …

Adam

November 2nd, 2011
8:48 am

TaxPayer: Careful, let’s not get into eugenics.

md

November 2nd, 2011
8:49 am

“well, it WAS your decision to buy a car”

And live in Atlanta………or anywhere else there is gobs of traffic.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

November 2nd, 2011
8:49 am

USinUK….It’s all about choices. I made the choice not to be born in a rich family and to work all my life. :D

dbw

November 2nd, 2011
8:49 am

This construction should have required an environmental impact study. The increased congestion has obviously increased the amount of pollution along the HOT corridor and also alternate routes of travel. Any study that is related to the congestion on the HOT corridor should also include the additional traffic on the alternate routes, such as PIB, Buford Hwy, ect.

Felton McMichael

November 2nd, 2011
8:50 am

To everyone who’s whining about the HOT lanes, what are your ideas for fixing ATL traffic? Better mass transit? Great, so we can expect a Yes vote on the TSPLOST from you all, right? More roads? Awesome, so you’ll be ok when the gas tax is raised (which it hasn’t been since the early 90s) to pay for them? What’s that you say? You want a faster commute but don’t want to pay for it? Sorry that option doesn’t exist. So keep moaning about how you’ve already paid for the roads and would never use those HOT lanes. Meanwhile the rest of us who value our time will pay the $2 to get home (or out of town, or to a ballgame, or a doctor’s appointment) 30 minutes sooner and get on with enjoying our life.

Butch Cassidy

November 2nd, 2011
8:50 am

Keep – “Butch, you forgot….”If you are stuck in traffic, its your own fault.”

Exactly. Apparently in the Georgia GOP mind, if something adversely affects me, it’s an injustice and must be dealt with so that the palying field is level and everyone has a fair chance.

If something doesn’t adversely affect me, then it’s the fault of the people who are affected, and they need to take responsibiltiy for themselves, stop complaining, and live with the consequences of their poor choices.

Blah, Blah, Blah………….

michael

November 2nd, 2011
8:50 am

I like the HOT lanes. I don’t live in Atlanta. I go through about once or twice a month. It is a great way to bypass all the traffic. Since I only use it at most 3 times a month I love it. I am more than willing to pay a few bucks to get through traffic. I just feel sorry for the people who have to do it every day.

USinUK

November 2nd, 2011
8:51 am

Keep – I was born into a rich family (I’m just sure of it), but elected to be adopted by an engineer and an RN to teach me a good work ethic ;-)

md – exactly! you don’t want to drive? move to Manhattan

Common Sense

November 2nd, 2011
8:52 am

So if the demographics were equal between the HOT and free lanes there would be no problem?

More wealth envy?

The more wealthy you are the more likely you are to fly when you take that trip. Federal Government has subsidized air travel in this nation for generations.

Focus on that, rather than a short stretch of freeway on one side of Atlanta.

Or book a therapist to get at the root of your wealth envy issues.

1811/0311

November 2nd, 2011
8:52 am

Maybe Robin Hood and his “Merry Men” could do something about this ???

Jm

November 2nd, 2011
8:53 am

Felton
Amen
I don’t use toll lanes often, but I certainly don’t begrudge those who do

godless heathen

November 2nd, 2011
8:53 am

Jim163: Very interesting read. Dr. Muller (never a global warming skeptic) seems is being less than honest. I’ll go with a Ga. Tech prof over a Berkely one any day.

Butch Cassidy

November 2nd, 2011
8:54 am

USinUK – “you don’t want to drive? move to Manhattan”

Hey, I live in Manhattan. Maybe I can introduce HOT lanes for flagging cabs. For a fee, you get the lane closest to traffic, that way you have better access to the taxi. All others will have to stand on the curb and hope to be seen. :)

1811/0311

November 2nd, 2011
8:54 am

“OCCUT*RD” update:

“Occupy Wall Street protesters are flocking to nearby health clinics for STD and HIV testing after getting their freak on in ’60s-style hookups with crusty strangers, sources told The Post yesterday.

“Last week was free love,” said a medical professional at a clinic located a short walk from Zuccotti Park, referring to the number of people who organizers have referred for sexually transmitted disease testing.

A volunteer at the park admitted concern among protesters about STDs.”

RB from Gwinnett

November 2nd, 2011
8:54 am

Whoever couldn’t figure out the difference in adding 2 additional lanes vs. converting an existing lane should be relieved of their duties IMMEDIATLY!! And I’d still like someone at the DOT to tell us exactly what the purpose of this project was. How are we supposed to judge the result if we don’t know what the goal was????

And these are the same morons who claimed they did a great job at snow removal last winter…..

Grits

November 2nd, 2011
8:55 am

GPPF HOT lanes are not to benefit the public. They are to squeeze more money out of the public.

Adam

November 2nd, 2011
8:55 am

It’s all about choices: I made the choice to be hired by a company that hasn’t set up shop walking distance from my suburban home.

Jm

November 2nd, 2011
8:55 am

Adam. For your own edification, go to
http://Www.etc.dot.gov

Ayn Rand's Medicare

November 2nd, 2011
8:56 am

Most people know why the Ga Republicans want the HOT lanes

Most people know why the Ga Republicans want all these”Voter ID” laws

Most people know why the Ga Republicans want to cut UE benefits
after the Ga Republicans blew the reserve.

Cons have to lie & deceive to sneak their aims past, for short term advantage. But like one of our Nobel Prize winning Georgians said, “There’s always a reckoning”.

dekalbcountyga

November 2nd, 2011
8:56 am

HOT lanes are awesome. They allow the most productive people be even more productive at the expense of the least productive people. This is simply very good for the economy.

JDW

November 2nd, 2011
8:57 am

@Kyle…”Well, here in Georgia, the two new HOT lanes — one in each direction — were carved out of existing interstate, pushing traffic into the remaining lanes. In California, traffic flow improved because four additional travel lanes — two in each direction — were built in the median of SR 91 as HOT lanes. In other words, significant new capacity — not HOT-lane technology — accounted for the improvement cited by Dodd.”

DUH, I think you got it…wonder how our esteemed Legislators missed that little nuance? :roll:

Jm

November 2nd, 2011
8:57 am

Oh. And Adam, go to FAQ’s which refutes most of Jays points.

Adam

November 2nd, 2011
8:57 am

Scout: OH NO! Some people in the Occupy movement are *GASP* HAVING SEX!

And they decided to be responsible and get tested for STDs!

FOR SHAME! Don’t they know they should have stayed at home and been abstinent their entire lives?!?! Maybe that should be a question on a job application! If you have ever had sex before, you won’t be hired.

md

November 2nd, 2011
8:57 am

“I made the choice to be hired by a company that hasn’t set up shop walking distance from my suburban home.”

Then move…………

kayaker 71

November 2nd, 2011
8:57 am

Taxpayer, 8:45

Maybe those disturbed cons can get a job recommendation from Bill and Bernadine to teach at the Univ of Chicago. They ought to fit right in.

Felton McMichael

November 2nd, 2011
8:57 am

@ Butch Cassidy 8:41 — Ha! So true. I’m guessing, based on the voting habits of those who live out in Gwinnett, that the same people who are wailing about how unfair the HOT lanes are, are the same ones who will vote against any form of tax increase to alleviate traffic. I had the opportunity to use the HOT lane last Friday at rush hour and it was amusing to count the number of anti-Obama, pro-tea party bumber stickers stuck in the regular lanes. If the free-market is good enough for healthcare according to these folks, why not the roads? Put your money where mouth is.