Cain reportedly faced sexual harassment complaints
The big political news of the moment involves allegations that as president of the National Restaurant Association, Herman Cain was the subject of complaints of inappropriate sexual behavior by two separate female employees, both of whom received cash settlements and left employment from the association.
The story was broken by Politico, which reports:
In a series of comments over the past 10 days, Cain and his campaign repeatedly declined to respond directly about whether he ever faced allegations of sexual harassment at the restaurant association. They have also declined to address questions about specific reporting confirming that there were financial settlements in two cases in which women leveled complaints.
POLITICO has confirmed the identities of the two female restaurant association employees who complained about Cain but, for privacy concerns, is not publishing their names.
Cain spokesman J.D. Gordon told POLITICO the candidate indicated to campaign officials that he was “vaguely familiar” with the charges and that the restaurant association’s general counsel had resolved the matter.
The latest statement came from Cain himself. In a tense sidewalk encounter Sunday morning outside the Washington bureau of CBS News — where the Republican contender had just completed an interview on “Face the Nation” — Cain evaded a series of questions about sexual harassment allegations.
Cain said he has “had thousands of people working for me” at different businesses over the years and could not comment “until I see some facts or some concrete evidence.” His campaign staff was given the name of one woman who complained last week, and it was repeated to Cain on Sunday. He responded, “I am not going to comment on that.”
The story has several levels. On the most basic of facts — two women complained of harassment by Cain and received financial settlements — it seems solid. Cain’s supporters are nonetheless charging foul, with his campaign responding that “sadly, we’ve sadly, we’ve seen this movie played out before – a prominent conservative targeted by liberals simply because they disagree with his politics.”
As you’ll see in this clip from Fox News, however, the Cain campaign is having a hard time bringing itself to deny that the payments were made:
Assuming the payments in question were indeed made, Politico has a journalistic obligation to report them. Such a record is absolutely relevant in assessing a candidate for president of the United States, just as it would be relevant in assessing a candidate for a corporate executive job.
Furthermore, the claim of conservative victimization doesn’t seem accurate. Democrats Bill Clinton and Gary Hart, you may recall, also had to face allegations of inappropriate sexual behavior during their presidential primary runs. Clinton survived it; Hart did not.
From there, however, things get much murkier. It is difficult to impossible to assess the validity of complaints made well over a decade ago by women who continue to remain anonymous, especially since we still have with no idea how extensive or candid an investigation was mounted at the time.
Politically, it is entirely feasible that such charges can redound to Cain’s benefit, at least temporarily, depending on how he handles them and whether additional cases emerge. His supporters are already defined by a deep alienation and distrust of both the political system and the media; such allegations could do more to inflame those resentments than to cast doubt on Cain’s fitness for high office among his followers.
It’s certainly not how Cain hoped to spend this week.
– Jay Bookman
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Ayn Rand's Medicare
October 31st, 2011
12:04 pm
hey, i just went to LegalZoom and I am now CEO &
Chauffer of Chuckles’ Clown Car. I can be president!
or at least I can drive the Republican nominee.
Jay
October 31st, 2011
12:05 pm
Cain also said that if payments were made, he was unaware of them. That may prove to be the direction in which this story goes, given that Cain was apparently CEO at the time. Payments were made that he, as CEO, was not aware of?
JamVet
October 31st, 2011
12:07 pm
So far Cain’s campaign has been remarkable.
Remarkably hysterical.
Or as some have noted, one high-profile blunder after another.
Let’s review…
He distrusts Muslims to the point of self-avowed bigotry.
He’s anti-pro choice/life/other.
He’s pro-anti prisoner swaps between Israel and the Palestinians.
He wants to build an electrified border fence that would kill illegal immigrants.
His $9.99 plan. Nuff said on that one.
Uzbeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan.
And now jungle fever/hush money problems.
The guy needs to stick to an election he can win, say the mayor of Trenton. Georgia…
Peadawg
October 31st, 2011
12:11 pm
Jay @ 12:05
LOL I know. Cam Newton got away w/ a bs story like that.
Tom(Independent)
October 31st, 2011
12:11 pm
Doggone – If you sign a non-disclosure agreement and then speak to the media, do you have to give the money back? No, I do not want to be President! Too much hasslement! But I would have liked to have had a beer or two with Bill C, during his hay-day. As a staunch conservative, I still liked and voted for Bill C. Guess I fell off the wagon for awhile?
Gator Joe
October 31st, 2011
12:12 pm
Jay:
The sexual harassment allegations against Mr. Cain are the least of his problems as a candidate. The allegations will be overlooked by the brain-washed Right when he plays “The Liberal Media-High Tech Lynching, Sympathy Card”. Much more difficult for him will be convincing independent voters, or anyone capable of thinking for themselves for that matter, he’s actually qualified to be president. The latter point is proving difficult for all of the Republican candidates, with the possible exception of Huntsman.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 31st, 2011
12:13 pm
“Payments were made that he, as CEO, was not aware of?”
Cain also stated that there was an investigation, which proved the allegations baseless. Politico has an obligation to either rebut Cain’s assertion or admit they didn’t report all of the facts accurately. They either did not do so by design or they rushed a story that wasn’t fully and properly investigated.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 31st, 2011
12:13 pm
If you sign a non-disclosure agreement and then speak to the media, do you have to give the money back?
Sometimes…ask Tiger Woods attorney about their settlements…..or Gloria Alred
Ayn Rand's Medicare
October 31st, 2011
12:14 pm
we tried to tell you cons that intentionally tanking a nation’s
economy, filibustering everything, calling out-of-work people “lazy”
was a bad strategy, but noooo, you wouldn’t listen
now it’s all coming apart at the seams of the hoveround seats,
isn’t it cons
RB from Gwinnett
October 31st, 2011
12:14 pm
“It would be if you paid her off and insisted she sign a non-disclosure agreement…and you were running for President”
You’ve obviously never dealt with any of these situations in the real world. It’s almost always less expensive to pay off the person than it is to pay attorney’s fees to fight it and the insurance companies and corporations will take the cheap route most of the time. Whether there is any merit to the case is not relevant.
And there is a growing segment of this society that knows that and is working the disability, discrimination, and workman’s comp systems like a fine fiddle.
Mick
October 31st, 2011
12:16 pm
jm
You failed to comprehend the strongest point, it’s not the regulations, it’s that people don’t have the money to buy, that’s the major problem…
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 31st, 2011
12:16 pm
Hmmmm…. wonder why Hermie had the AEI forbid reporters from asking about the sexual harrassment allegations at an “open forum.”?
DawgDad
October 31st, 2011
12:18 pm
Jay: You did not reprint the entire Politico article. It includes:
“On the details of Cain’s allegedly inappropriate behavior with the two women, POLITICO has a half-dozen sources shedding light on different aspects of the complaints.
The sources – including the recollections of close associates and other documentation – describe episodes that left the women upset and offended.”
I thus stand by my accusation this was an irresponsible, cheap political hit piece, unsubstantiated by any proof. They say they have sources (proof) but provide none. Unless they come forward with the proof (documents) or corrobaration the story is irresponsible, and sleazy.
I also point out YOU KNEW THIS and selectively edited it out prior to your response to me.
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:18 pm
Recon: So if a reporter reports that allegations were made, and Herman says the allegations were baseless, that means that unless the reporter comes out and rebuts that particular assertion, they were reporting inaccurately?
Got it.
Finn McCool
October 31st, 2011
12:18 pm
Mick, good luck trying to explain to a conservative that demand drives jobs, not regulations, or lack thereof.
Paddy O
October 31st, 2011
12:18 pm
not neal: why don’t you tell us what oil was prior to the adoption of TARP? Funny you should mention Goldman – they are the key corporation MOST responsible for the rise in oil prices – it is certainly NOT market force (unless you count market manipulation by Goldman).
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 31st, 2011
12:19 pm
You’ve obviously never dealt with any of these situations in the real world. It’s almost always less expensive to pay off the person than it is to pay attorney’s fees to fight it and the insurance companies and corporations will take the cheap route most of the time. Whether there is any merit to the case is not relevant.
Poppycock nonsense. And I have delt with these claims in real world situations.
Jefferson
October 31st, 2011
12:20 pm
That too, ZERO chances for the Cain main.
RB from Gwinnett
October 31st, 2011
12:20 pm
“The allegations will be overlooked by the brain-washed Right ”
Thats funny coming from somebody who voted for a community organizer who’s greatest accomplishment to date was voting “present” for 2 years in the senate.
What’s worse is his job performance so far is on par with his experience and you tools are still supporting him.
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:20 pm
DawgDad: Is Jay OBLIGATED to post the entire article verbatim when he links to it so you can go read it yourself?
Paddy O
October 31st, 2011
12:24 pm
keep – if the accusation had merit, would they not have requested that Cain step down? This is VERY similar to Anita Hill.
Paddy O
October 31st, 2011
12:25 pm
RB – it is also funny that the suddenly righteous left re-elected the serial womanizer & exploiter Bill Clinton.
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:25 pm
RB: You continually post on here about how your VAST experience in business has caused you to believe these ridiculous notions that basically amount to everyone is out to get the businessmen of the world.
I think maybe you chose the wrong business, or at least the wrong aspect of it. If you’re personally handling all these claims and all the taxes then you’re not delegating very effectively.
Paddy O
October 31st, 2011
12:25 pm
Adam: How do you explain the lefts penchant for free trade agreements? ( I understand the republican preference).
Finn McCool
October 31st, 2011
12:26 pm
I have a sure-fire product where there is huge demand and I can make $10 on every piece I sell. If the government has to put in a regulation – whether it’s to protect people, protect property, protect water, air or what have you – that’s something I have to deal with. If that regulation means it’s going to cost me $3 taken out of my profits then I wil have to adjust to that.
Should I shut down? Ummm, no – there’s still $7 in profit to be made. Only a slack arse ceo would shut the doors without thinking through all the possibilities to regain that $3 – whether through a price increase, a discount to incentivize multiple purchases, etc.
To blame regulations for a business not working is imature. If profit is to be had, a good businessman will find that profit.
Back Seater
October 31st, 2011
12:26 pm
I don’t know for sure, it came from my third cousins next door neighbors ex girlfriends mother in law, but they said that Herman has a pimple on his arse……………wonder how Politico missed that………..you poor liberals that have to resort to this type of crap
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:27 pm
Paddy O: I’ll answer your free trade question if you speak to my points first.
Kamchak
October 31st, 2011
12:28 pm
If profit is to be had, a good businessman will find that profit.
A bad business man will threaten to “go Galt.”
Paulo977
October 31st, 2011
12:29 pm
WHAT ABOUT THE JOB’S BILL??????
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:29 pm
I think we’re seconds away from “You can tell who liberals fear by…”
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 31st, 2011
12:29 pm
Adam,
As the late IBM CEO Tom Watson used to say “THINK”. If Cain lied when he stated that one, there was an investigation that proved the allegations baseless and two, that if there was a settlement of money he was unaware of it, then Politico should have either obtained that information or should be able to rebut is statement as inaccurate.
Clint
October 31st, 2011
12:30 pm
Herman’s campaign neither confirmed, nor denied payments were made. Whether payments were made or not is not the issue. A business looks at things from a cost analysis manner meaning, if it cost less to settle out of court for claims that can neither be confirmed nor denied by the defendant than they will pay out, if it would cost less to go to court, a business will take that route. In the cases of sexual harrassment complaints, most cases are merely “he said-she said” with no proof either way. Numerous false claims have been made over the years when a woman, or a man for that matter, thinks they can get a settlement from making a claim that cannot be proven either way. This bears all the hallmarks of this kind of claim.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 31st, 2011
12:30 pm
Paddy, its possible that meritorious claims were made near the end of Cain’s tenure so rather than have further embarrassment they just waited out the term of office. I can’t tell you what those decisions were or what was considered. However, the lack of public termination does not mean that the matters did not take place or that they were unfounded. And no, this is not another Anita Hill unless you mean merely that any sexual harrassment claims against a black man is an “Anita Hill” or something like that.
A PIMP NAME CAIN
October 31st, 2011
12:30 pm
pimping ain t eazy but somebody gotta do it
Granny Godzilla
October 31st, 2011
12:30 pm
Tom(Independent)
October 31st, 2011
11:52 am
If Granny accused me of sexual harrassment, would that be news-worthy?? What value do you place on an accusation(mispelled)?
it would be the best piece of harass you ever had…..
Mick
October 31st, 2011
12:32 pm
rb
I don’t know, he got bin laden, whilst the previous guy just gave up. The previous president even used torture, still couldn’t bag him dead or alive. I’ll stick with the community organizer over rich spoiled legacy boy eight days a week…
lynnie gal
October 31st, 2011
12:32 pm
At least it’s not little boys that Cain’s harassing, like Mark Foley (R, FL) or tapping his foot for gay servicing in a bathroom like Larry, “wide stance” Craig, or taking drugs and buying male prostitutes like the preacher Ted Haggard. No, all Cain did was to sexually harass his own female employees, which is just fine with Family Values Republicans.
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:32 pm
Recon: So basically, the fact that Politico reports that there were allegations and Cain confirms that but then says “well, they were baseless” means that Politico is now obligated to a knock down drag out fight where it’s all or nothing and if they do not discredit every single goalpost Cain moves then they have to “admit” their first story that allegations were made (and later confirmed by Cain) was false, in its entirety. Glad we cleared that up.
Tom(Independent)
October 31st, 2011
12:33 pm
TaxPayer@11:43 – Good post! Got me to thinking, maybe only citizens who actually pay federal taxes get to vote in federal elections? Oophs. no more Democrats in Washington!
Granny Godzilla
October 31st, 2011
12:33 pm
Payments made because Herman did harass or for expediency.
Either way, this is not a good thing.
A PIMP NAME CAIN
October 31st, 2011
12:35 pm
y’all know i recomend extra sauce!
Tom(Independent)
October 31st, 2011
12:36 pm
Granny – Be nice!!
A PIMP NAME CAIN
October 31st, 2011
12:36 pm
another holier than thou repub gets caught, i love it. WWJD?
stands for decibels
October 31st, 2011
12:36 pm
A PIMP NAME CAIN
Ok, this made me laugh. (I think that makes me a bad person.)
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:37 pm
Guys, this is hardly a desperate political hit piece designed by the liberals to discredit Cain because they can’t fight him on message. Herman Cain’s candidacy is doomed to failure BECAUSE of his message, and because of THAT there is no need for desperation. I would understand if there were any substance coming from Cain or his campaign, but there isn’t.
Granny Godzilla
October 31st, 2011
12:37 pm
Oh and Mr Cain also says he does not know about the allegations
of Mark Block violating campaign funding laws.
Does Mr Cain know about anything?
Kamchak
October 31st, 2011
12:38 pm
Payments made because Herman did harass or for expediency.
That’s what I’m thinking.
Does a leader do a cost/benefit analysis or stand up for what he/she believes is right?
Communists Unite
October 31st, 2011
12:38 pm
JamVet – lol; you win the post of the day award.
Granny Godzilla
October 31st, 2011
12:38 pm
Tom(independent)
Always am!
jm
October 31st, 2011
12:39 pm
Republicans governing, and slowly making the wheels of government turn to help create jobs.
———-
House Republicans are honing their jobs message — crafting hard-to-oppose, small-bore bills, shipping them to the Senate and daring Democrats and the White House to take up the mantle of obstructionism.
The strategy paid off last week, with the White House signing on to a Republican bill eliminating a 3 percent tax withholding requirement for government contractors — a rare bill that appears likely to zoom to the president’s desk.
The quick White House acquiescence came as a bit of a surprise to House and Senate Democrats, some of whom fear the president’s $447 billion jobs package will be sliced and diced to the GOP’s liking with Democratic priorities left on the cutting-room floor.
But unlike many past efforts by both parties this year, the withholding bill appeared devised to become law, marrying a piece of President Barack Obama’s jobs package with a piece of his deficit reduction plan.
Roll Call
Tom(Independent)
October 31st, 2011
12:40 pm
lynneGal@12:32 – If a man raises his voice to a female, that is sexual harrassment! If a man is harassed(unless he is gay) by a woman, he just let’s it go but if a woman is yelled at by a man, she wants to complain. What a double standard!!
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:41 pm
Kamchak: Does a leader do a cost/benefit analysis or stand up for what he/she believes is right?
Ask Mitt
RB from Gwinnett
October 31st, 2011
12:42 pm
“VAST experience in business has caused you to believe these ridiculous notions that basically amount to everyone is out to get the businessmen of the world.”
It’s not everyone, Adam, it’s just lazy good for nothing people trying to make an easy buck because they can get away with it. I don’t suppose you have any clue why grocery stores have video camera’s in every inch of the store, do you? I’ll give you a hint…. it’s not to keep you from stuffing a bottle of Texas Pete in your purse.
BTW, as a small business owner, I do everything from emptying the trash to dealing with the attorney’s on legal matters. And so does every other small business owner. Get a clue, Adam.
Mick
October 31st, 2011
12:42 pm
jm
Oh, so if the repubs get something they want, that’s good but if the dems try to get infrastructure spending, no go. You truly are a hypocrite and prove that you are also an IINO….
A PIMP NAME CAIN
October 31st, 2011
12:42 pm
nein nein nein nein nein nein
ken
October 31st, 2011
12:43 pm
Believe the media ? Believe Herman ? I’ll go with Herman.
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:43 pm
jm: So the strategy of Republicans daring Democrats to obstruct paid off by the Democrats NOT obstructing?
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 31st, 2011
12:44 pm
Adam,
I don’t have the time nor the inclination to chase down your rabbit hole but what you either carelessly or purposely omit is that Cain stated that there was an investigation that proved the allegations baseless and that if there was payments made he was unaware of them. Politico has the obligation to research his statement and either confirm Cain’s accuracy or refute his assertion. If they can not or will not they’ve lost journalistic credibility.
Paul
October 31st, 2011
12:44 pm
“If Granny accused me of sexual harrassment, would that be news-worthy?? What value do you place on an accusation(mispelled)?
it would be the best piece of harass you ever had…..”
LOLOL Granny! First absolutely true thing I’ve read on this thread in many posts -
Kamchak
October 31st, 2011
12:45 pm
Believe the media ? Believe Herman ? I’ll go with Herman.
Isn’t Herman in the talk-radio biz?
Isn’t talk-radio part of “the media”?
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:45 pm
RB: I know plenty of small business owners who do all the work, and plenty who delegate things like taxes and legal matters. If the business is small enough, you shouldn’t be getting droves of sexual harassment suits unless there’s some merit to them. So now you make me wonder….
Granny Godzilla
October 31st, 2011
12:46 pm
Paul
Aw shucks….
jm
October 31st, 2011
12:46 pm
AARP is the enemy of the American state. I think its time they were declared a terrorist organization.
http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/judd-gregg/190627-gregg-stakes-too-high-for-panel-to-fall-short
TaxPayer
October 31st, 2011
12:47 pm
you poor liberals that have to resort to this type of crap
Birthers are liberals! I didn’t know that.
Charles
October 31st, 2011
12:47 pm
Liberal media please. Last week I saw Karl Rove on tv with a huge list checking off the reasons why Cain would NOT be the nominee. This smells of a Karl Rove tactic. I would not be at all shocked if he didn’t leak the initial story to Politico, who by the way, the President and CEO of Politico is a former Assistant to Ronald Reagan and they endorsed Bush.
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:47 pm
Recon: So basically I’m right, you think Politico has an obligation to research and report on any and all claims made by Herman Cain in response to the article. I disagree. I think if Politico reports and Herman Cain confirms part of it and just plain doesn’t deny the rest, then Politico has no obligation except to stand by its article.
1811/0311
October 31st, 2011
12:48 pm
Jay:
Two points:
1) As I said before, if you don’t have a few of these in your work experience as a manager then you probably weren’t a good one. People who put in a six hour work day for eight hours pay don’t like to be told to work eight hours and they can be quite inventive when striking back.
2) As you also know, corporations (and especially the government) often pay out cash just to get rid of the case as it would cost more to litigate it. I have seen that many times when the agent involved wanted it to go to trial but the government caved. Something that needs to be corrected in our system.
I have been sued in federal court twice. Once for “breaking into someone’s home” ……. summarily dismissed and once for a “false arrest” ……….. the 11th Circuit ruled in my favor ………………..
stands for decibels
October 31st, 2011
12:48 pm
First absolutely true thing I’ve read on this thread in many posts
Once you go Granny, you never go, um… banny?
stands for decibels
October 31st, 2011
12:49 pm
Get outa mah haid, Pimp.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 31st, 2011
12:49 pm
“I would understand if there were any substance coming from Cain or his campaign, but there isn’t.”
It is a fact that currently Cain leads the other candidates in the polls, so it’s not important what the voters think, it’s what Adam thinks.
TaxPayer
October 31st, 2011
12:49 pm
Cain stated that there was an investigation that proved the allegations baseless
Well! If Cain said it, it just has to be true.
TaxPayer
October 31st, 2011
12:51 pm
People who put in a six hour work day for eight hours pay don’t like to be told to work eight hours and they can be quite inventive when striking back.
Who could refute the voice of experience himself.
slapshot
October 31st, 2011
12:52 pm
Clinton “survived” his scandals because the media and all those in the Democrat War Machine led by rajun’ cajun’ Carville came to his defense. They went after the women’s character, not the accusations. Compare that to Anita Hill and the pubic hair in the Coke situation with Conservative black man (and Federalist supporter) Clarence Thomas. Who’s side were they on? Anitas! Most Democrats in the Senate did not vote for approval to put him on SCOTUS and he barely got in with a 52-48 vote.
It’s a little early for an October surprise, silly liberals. There’s still another solid year to go. Obama was never vetted and continues to be protected by The Machine. His failed policies are blamed on Bush for not working (and not even bringing up Democrats running both chambers of Congress from the 2006 mid-terms to the 2010 mid-terms).
We’ve already seen the childish liberals claim that the only reason the GOP supports Cain is because he’s black so the GOP can say they aren’t racist (THAT in and of itself is actually racist). It’s going to be a fun election year. Democrats/liberals are up against the wall and they know it. Any non-white GOP member/supporter scares the hell out of them. First it was the Conservative women they frothed over, and now it’s the Conservative black man chapping their backsides. And they call themselves “progressives.” How pathetic.
Paul
October 31st, 2011
12:52 pm
Question for the Cain supporters:
Regarding 999
How does a self employed person with no employees compute income on which to pay tax?
Same question for the Perry 20% tax on a postcard people (assuming, of course, there are any Perry supporters on this blog….)
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:52 pm
Recon: It is a fact that currently Cain leads the other candidates in the polls, so it’s not important what the voters think, it’s what Adam thinks.
I understand that not being able to debate the merits of why Politico should be obligated to do something it’s not really obligated to do might make you a bit testy, but there’s no need to change the subject to something ELSE you can’t argue unless you make up a straw man.
I never said any such thing, just to be clear. I said there is no substance. Herman Cain leading or trailing in the primary polls does very little to prove me wrong.
Kamchak
October 31st, 2011
12:53 pm
Obama was never vetted…
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Jean
October 31st, 2011
12:54 pm
As I recall, Republicans were willing to spend millions of taxpayer dollars investigating allegations of sexual harrassment against Bill Clinton. For what reason is it inappropriate to examine the same charges against a black republican?
Good little liberal
October 31st, 2011
12:54 pm
A simple question that no liberal, including Jay has the spine to answer:
If news came out about Obama from a Conservative source, saying the same things that are being said about Cain with the same amount of non-proof, would liberals believe the story?
Simple question. How about it libs? Anyone want to prove me wrong?
JamVet
October 31st, 2011
12:54 pm
Thanks, pinko!
Herman’s finding out the hard way.
When you’re a mean, little, pious pr!ck like Nixon or Pete Rose or Jimmy Swaggart and you get caught with your fingers in the proverbial cookie/nookie jar, most of us are gonna enjoy the subsequent squirming…
Jm
October 31st, 2011
12:55 pm
Herman Cain is proof that everything Obama believes is wrong
Willy Shakespeare
October 31st, 2011
12:56 pm
Ahh ….
Yet another repug caught with is pants down …. and they want to lecture everyone else?
1811/0311
October 31st, 2011
12:56 pm
The biggest reason managers get in trouble when they are hit up for some type of harrassment, etc. is that they were “too nice” and didn’t document poor work performance.
If you keep the right file (known as “book”) on problem employees (late, excessive sick leave, counseled re: unfinished work, poor work, long breaks, discourtesy to the public, etc., etc.) ……….. you got ‘em !
Done it many times.
slapshot
October 31st, 2011
12:56 pm
“Isn’t Herman in the talk-radio biz? Isn’t talk-radio part of “the media”?”
Herman WAS in the talk radio biz. And that is NOT the “media” in the sense of ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, every major print “news” paper like the New York Slimes, and the lot of them controlled by the liberal left with regards to what “news” they feel Americans are entitled to view. In fact, that’s one reason talk radio has skyrocketed in popularity over the last two decades – and more recently the PJ media: news is out there that the alleged main stream media won’t report (negative things about Democrats, for example).
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:56 pm
slapshot: Any non-white GOP member/supporter scares the hell out of them.
Called it!
Contrary to what you may think. I think it would be the most amazing presidential race ever if he won the nomination. But I seriously doubt he will. The primary voters nationwide aren’t looking for Herman Cain in the long run.
RB from Gwinnett
October 31st, 2011
12:57 pm
“If the business is small enough, you shouldn’t be getting droves of sexual harassment suits ”
I’ve never had a sexual harrassment suit filed against me Adam and never claimed I had. I have, however, had racial discrimination, discrimination for a disability, and a littany of unemployment claims filed without merit and I’ve won every one of them, at least one of them against the wishes of company to settle vs. spending the money to defend.
Maybe before you spout any more uneducated opinions, you should turn off The View and learn something about what goes on in the real world instead of making crap up cause you think you’re cute. Any business owner and anyone who’s managed people for any number of years can set you straight if you’re willing to learn anything.
Good little liberal
October 31st, 2011
12:57 pm
Jean
They had definite proof that Clinton had done it. No proof at all that Cain has done it.
Can’t you see the difference.
No Black Republican will ever be allowed to achieve without a lynching from the Party of George Wallace. if you ain’t on that Democratic Plantation, you ain’t going nowhere.
Adam
October 31st, 2011
12:58 pm
GLL: If news came out about Obama from a Conservative source, saying the same things that are being said about Cain with the same amount of non-proof, would liberals believe the story?
I would believe that allegations were made, and nothing more. Just like I do with this story.
1811/0311
October 31st, 2011
12:58 pm
slapshot :
Good points ! Let’s take the liberal approach and have some private investigators see just what these “ladies” are up too.
Jm
October 31st, 2011
12:58 pm
“Obama was never vetted…”
How can you vet someone who hasn’t done anything? Really nothing to vet….
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 31st, 2011
12:58 pm
As I said before, if you don’t have a few of these in your work experience as a manager then you probably weren’t a good one
What a bunch of poppycock….. of course, those non-disclosure agreements all require that the fact that there was an allegation be made public because that’s just to show you are a good manager……
Of course, this is from a guy who would claim that unless you have clubbed a few innocent people to near death, well you just are not a good police officers.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 31st, 2011
1:00 pm
Adam,
I think I understand you’re willing to set the journalistic integrity bar lower for Politico because of the political direction they lean. I’ll bet if a similar story like this one broke with limited details on Obama your attitude would not be the same.
Granny Godzilla
October 31st, 2011
1:00 pm
“Obama was never vetted and continues to be protected by The Machine.”
Certainly an exceedingly strong indictment of the failures of the Republican Party – it was their job was it not?
They didn’t vet the community organizer whatever makes you think they’ll vet Cain?
G’head rely on the incompetents – again.
Adam
October 31st, 2011
1:00 pm
RB: I’ve never had a sexual harrassment suit filed against me Adam and never claimed I had.
Then maybe you should go back and tell me what you meant by this:
You’ve obviously never dealt with any of these situations in the real world. It’s almost always less expensive to pay off the person than it is to pay attorney’s fees to fight it and the insurance companies and corporations will take the cheap route most of the time. Whether there is any merit to the case is not relevant.
We were all talking specifically about sexual harassment. Don’t pretend we weren’t.
1811/0311
October 31st, 2011
1:00 pm
decibles:
You had it wrong the other night.
It’s “OCCUT*RDS” with a “U” not an “A” !
Good little liberal
October 31st, 2011
1:00 pm
JamVet
So you have proven that all it takes for you to condemn a Black Republican is an accusation by a liberal. No proof needed by you.
You would have been the one tying the knot while they dragged the Black man to the trees along the river.
Mick
October 31st, 2011
1:00 pm
gll
Let’s see, colin powell, condi, although she was terrible at both of her cabinet appts. Still, they made it without all the b.s.
Welcome to the Occupation
October 31st, 2011
1:01 pm
War of 1811:
Worried about those occupiers, aren’t you?
You rightly see them as a threat to what you hold dear.
Mick
October 31st, 2011
1:01 pm
jm
You mock yourself with your pithy commentary…
Crenshaw8
October 31st, 2011
1:02 pm
At best, sexual harrassment is vaguely defined.
Absent legal action, I’m inclined to believe the accusations didn’t meet the legal criteria.
Too many Americans get off on tabloid journalism.
1811/0311
October 31st, 2011
1:03 pm
Where’s Dan Rather when we need him ?