Romney is what happens when a party outFoxes itself

This is a portion of George Will’s column to be published Sunday, and I confess I find it pretty damn funny, if unintentionally so:

“Romney, supposedly the Republican most electable next November, is a recidivist reviser of his principles who is not only becoming less electable, he might damage GOP chances of capturing the Senate: Republican successes down the ticket will depend on the energies of the tea party and other conservatives, who will be deflated by a nominee whose blurry profile in caution communicates only calculated trimming. Republicans may have found their Michael Dukakis, a technocratic Massachusetts governor who takes his bearings from ‘data’ … Has conservatism come so far, surmounting so many obstacles, to settle, at a moment of economic crisis, for THIS?”

Yes, George, it has. Because, well … who else ya got?

Herman Cain? Rick Perry? Michele Bachmann? Newt Gingrich? Really? Would you be comfortable sticking the title “President” in front of any of those names? Nah, didn’t think so.

I can’t disagree with anything that Will writes about Romney because, well, it’s all so true. (See example below, on climate change*). The man would straddle anything, up to and including a barbed wire fence, and he’d do it with that same forced grin on his face. As Will notes elsewhere in his column, “A straddle is not a political philosophy; it is what you do when you do not have one.”

The question is, how did the Republican Party get to a point in which it has no feasible alternative to this “recidivist reviser”?

I think Andrew Sullivan hit on part of the answer while musing about how a candidate with Cain’s obvious lack of qualifications remains such a force in the GOP primary.

“But Cain is a function, I think, of a deeper Republican reality. It has become a wing of the entertainment industry, and in that media-industrial complex, the money to be made is immense. You do not make that money or become a star in conservative circles by actually governing, by the process of compromise and negotiation with one’s opponents, or by detailed policy knowledge. In the universe where conservatism is defined by Levin and Malkin and Limbaugh and Hannity, you have to be a great polemicist, you have to be partisan above all, you need to be outrageous at times, and you have to appeal to the gut, rather than the brain.

This is an entertainment company based around a religious identity politics and masquerading as a political party. Once you grasp that, you can see why a Mitch Daniels or a Richard Lugar or a Jon Huntsman are asterisks. They know things; they want to govern, not perform; and they are not in a permanent mode of marginalized and angry opposition.

I’m beginning to wonder if the GOP is heading for a defeat they don’t see coming – even in an economic environment which should make the presidency theirs’ for the taking. I hope it is. Something needs to wake them up from their increasing detachment from the reality of governance.”

Put a little more succinctly, the party has outFoxed itself.

* A case in point:

Romney in June:

“I don’t speak for the scientific community, of course, but I believe the world’s getting warmer. I can’t prove that, but I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that. I don’t know how much our contribution is to that, because I know that there have been periods of greater heat and warmth in the past but I believe we contribute to that. And so I think it’s important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may well be significant contributors to the climate change and the global warming that you’re seeing.”

And Romney now:

“My view is that we don’t know what’s causing climate change on this planet. And the idea of spending trillions and trillions of dollars to try to reduce CO2 emissions is not the right course for us…. I think the EPA, acting in concert with the president, really doesn’t like oil, gas, coal, and nuclear. I really do believe that the EPA wants to get its hands on all of energy and be able to crush it to cause prices to go through the roof.”

– Jay Bookman

282 comments Add your comment

Armed Liberal

October 28th, 2011
11:30 am

F. Sinkwich

October 28th, 2011
11:30 am

I agree with Will.

Romney is just another Dole or McCain.

Richard

October 28th, 2011
11:31 am

Paul or Johnson. Problem solved.

Newtpewt

October 28th, 2011
11:32 am

Most all of the GOP candidates, except for Romney, Huntsmen and Paul will have signed contracts w/ Roger Ailes and Fox News soon after Nov. 2012. They seem to be auditioning for a job on that channel, much like Sarah Palin.

F. Sinkwich

October 28th, 2011
11:35 am

Sullivan:

“and you have to appeal to the gut, rather than the brain.”

Bet he never said that about O’bozo even though that statement applies so much more to him.

Lord Help Us

October 28th, 2011
11:35 am

I bet Hillary could win the GOP primary…They ARE that desperate.

Armed Liberal

October 28th, 2011
11:35 am

“Memo to the Republican field: You’re running for president. Of the United States. Of America. Start acting like it. Stop proposing nonsense tax plans that won’t work. Stop making ridiculous attention-getting ads that might be minimally acceptable if you were running for county supervisor in Oklahoma. Stop saying you’re going to build a US-Mexico border fence you know perfectly well you’re not going to build. Give the GOP electorate and the American people some credit. This country is in terrible shape. They know it. You know it. They want solutions. You’re providing comedy,” – John Podhoretz, in the New York Post.

“The identification of the GOP as mouthpiece for the selfish interests of the wealthy is a stubborn image, difficult to overcome at the best of times. For three years, however, Republican leaders have been doing their utmost to confirm the stereotype – and to quash and quell any attempt to counter that stereotype. Did we really spend months and months arguing that one of the things most wrong with the US tax code is that the poor and unemployed pay too little tax? Yes we did. Head shake. Face slap” – David Frum

borrowed from Andrew Sullivan’s place…

ty webb

October 28th, 2011
11:37 am

How did Sullivan have time to opine on the GOP, I thought he was to busy persuing the whole “who’s Trig’s real parents” story.

Curtis Rivers

October 28th, 2011
11:38 am

Well, Jay, we can only hope this is an accurate prediction of the GOP’s continuing fall from reality, and that we will see the re-election of Obama as “the only adult in the room.” While Obama has been thwarted by the GOP on so many issues, there is at least some hope for a non-Cromwellian future for the USA.

Stonethrower

October 28th, 2011
11:40 am

Just Great! 4 more years of gridlock.

Adam

October 28th, 2011
11:41 am

I’m beginning to wonder if the GOP is heading for a defeat they don’t see coming

YES. Yes they are. Look no further than the people ON THIS VERY BLOG who continually act so smug thinking Obama will lose simply because he is Obama nad the GOP candidate, no matter who it is, can do no wrong.

Mark my words, all you people who keep saying Obama is out in 2012 are in for a nasty shock. Better order your plush Reagan doll if you don’t already have one because for 4 more years you will need it for your crying in the corner.

Mick

October 28th, 2011
11:42 am

Jay – the art of the written word, man do all of you writers just nail it…

Paul

October 28th, 2011
11:44 am

““A straddle is not a political philosophy; it is what you do when you do not have one.””

Oh, I think Romney has a political philosophy. But I also think he knows the people who control the process view anyone other than a Pope Gregory IX (who instituted the Inquisition to combat a specific heresy) is a nogoodsocialistliberalRINO.

But what really galls Republicans is the knowledge if Romney can appear to compromise what he believes to win the prize, he’ll also compromise with Democrats for the good of the country.

And for that he should face the Inquisition.

BTW, I think I really like Andrew Sullivan.

Jm

October 28th, 2011
11:49 am

I like Romney. I know he dances. And that’s fine by me. It’s required in this day and age.

If you can’t dance, don’t go to the ball.

I sympathize with Will. But he’s overly flustered.

md

October 28th, 2011
11:49 am

Screw the right (and you already know how I feel about the left), they can go shove “their” ideals along with those on the left………..there are plenty of folks that don’t much care for the strict ideology of either “side”. If the right wants to understand how I voted for Clinton, all they have to do is put up a candidate that is rigidly right…….and they may find it happening again. (Although Obama is not an option in my book, so sitting out may be the better choice).

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 28th, 2011
11:52 am

I posted it last night but worth doing again.

The next great Republican hope to take the lead in the polls: Koran-buring pastor Terry Jones wants to be President. Now I understand he is running as an independent but surely the Scared Mittless crowd [from Jon Stewart] can seduce him

Phil Kloer

October 28th, 2011
11:53 am

Paul makes a valid point. Romney does have a political philosophy, of being a moderate, pragmatic Republican. But that doesnt work in today’s GOP so he has had to remake himself into more of a Tea Partier.

Mick

October 28th, 2011
11:57 am

jm

Romney may know how to dance the two step but he speaks with forked tongue…

AmVet

October 28th, 2011
11:57 am

Huntsman rightly indicts this hijacked GOP as the anti-science party.

I think that is only part of the bigger picture.

As advanced by their power brokers, and in honor of their “base”, they have become the anti-intellect party.

And this second consecutive slate of laughable, low-browed con artists feigning to be conservatives candidates is just more evidence.

They are the political version of the uber-rich televangelists and other such transparent frauds.

And poor Willard has painted himself into a neo-con corner where he does not want to be.

This promises to be another laughfest comparable to the one in 2008…

Paul

October 28th, 2011
11:58 am

“Pragmatism’ means RINO to Republicans.

Ideology above all.

Jm

October 28th, 2011
11:59 am

MD sitting out is a 1/2 vote for Obama

Romney will probably be the nominee
And the rest of them aren’t as crazy as the media makes them out to be. Except Ron Paul maybe.

southdem

October 28th, 2011
11:59 am

The GOP Establishment Will speaks for catered to the radical right wing for years, and now that its seized control of the party from them they can’t figure out what went wrong. Darn right they’re facing a massive defeat and don’t realize it, whether they go with Romney, Cain, or whoever.

My prediction: Obama wins 400+electoral votes next November, the Dems keep the Senate and make gains in the House. In 2014 the Dems retake the House. The GOP will then spin into an even crazier destruction mode and nominate some goober who makes Bachmann looks sane. Then Hillary or Biden or whoever’s the Dem nominee will win another 400+ victory. Then madybe by 2020 the GOP will be as dead as the Whigs and we’ll have a responsible center right party to balance the Dems again.

Mr_B

October 28th, 2011
12:00 pm

Much as I hate to admit it, there is something to be said for Sink’s 11:35. As I see it, Obama’s prime mistakewas believing that the Republicans were the “loyal opposition,” willing to exchange ideas and come up with a viable direction for the country.

Unforntunately most of the GOP feild seems to be both intellectually and morally bankrupt, and they like it that way.

AmVet

October 28th, 2011
12:01 pm

md, I understand, but I would counsel against “sitting this one out”.

I’ve never really considered it a viable option, even when I fought back weeks of nausea and voted for Ronnie once!

larry

October 28th, 2011
12:01 pm

I know if Fox doesnt want the rest of the Republican field, they could go to Chicago and be a part of the Second City Comedy Troup. Saturday Night Live would not run out of people to put on the show.

Adam

October 28th, 2011
12:02 pm

Jay

October 28th, 2011
12:03 pm

Phil, I’d agree that Romney at least used to have that philosophy, because I’ve had the chance to discuss it with him. He came across just as you describe, moderate and pragmatic, the kind of Republican I was first attracted to right out of college.

But in the years since then, he has had to work so hard to repress that other Romney and to embrace this new persona that I’m not sure he really knows what he believes anymore. You can’t keep denying your authentic self for so long without it taking a toll.

stands for decibels

October 28th, 2011
12:04 pm

what really galls Republicans is the knowledge if Romney can appear to compromise what he believes to win the prize, he’ll also compromise with Democrats for the good of the country.

Sounds about right, yep.

Back Seater

October 28th, 2011
12:04 pm

Adam,
Based on the current political envirnorment, I suggest it is you that needs to purchase a crying towel, cause your man is going down, down, down.

Jm

October 28th, 2011
12:04 pm

Mick 11:57
Well my parsel tongue translator works just fine

It may be more difficult for others to understand, I grant you :)

Tall

October 28th, 2011
12:05 pm

“…..while musing about how a candidate with Cain’s obvious lack of qualifications remains such a force in the GOP primary……”

We are now 3 years into the Obama presidency. President Obama is good at campaigning and getting himself elected, but not much else. Why wasn’t Obama’s lack of experience a problem four years ago? President Cain would be a notable improvement over who we have now.

Jm

October 28th, 2011
12:06 pm

Mick 11:57 here ya go :)

Parseltonguetranslator.warnerbros.com/parseltongue.php

larry

October 28th, 2011
12:07 pm

I can hear it now……….in the fall of 2013………………..

” ITS SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE………..WITH MICHELLE BACHMANN………. HERMAN CAIN…………………………………….WITH YOUR HOST, MILT ROMNEY!!!!

RB from Gwinnett

October 28th, 2011
12:07 pm

“Unforntunately most of the GOP feild seems to be both intellectually and morally bankrupt, and they like it that way.”

Said right after the comment chastising the R’s for not being the “loyal opposition”. Tell us Mr_B, why in the hell would anybody want to work with you or “come together” with you when you feel that way about them? I suspect you’re too stupid to see your attitude IS the problem.

Jm

October 28th, 2011
12:09 pm

Adam
That is awesome
Don’t be jealous. Love capitalism and it will love you back.

Aquagirl

October 28th, 2011
12:10 pm

Look no further than the people ON THIS VERY BLOG who continually act so smug thinking Obama will lose simply because he is Obama

Why wouldn’t they think that? This is the party of extreme denalism, with it’s birtherism and anti-science nuttery front and center. They lock themselves in that little echo chamber and for them, Obama’s loss is as plain as the nose on your face. They seriously believe that. Funny thing though, when something happens that is clearly counter to their version of reality, they have an amazing ability to sail right along like it never happened.

Wingnuts live in a self-imposed 1984. Nobody forces them to the theater where Big Broth…excuse me, Rush Limbaugh rants about Eurasia non-stop. They do it to themselves.

F. Sinkwich

October 28th, 2011
12:10 pm

Part of Romney’s problem is Romneycare:

“Support for Democrats’ healthcare reform has hit its lowest point since the law passed in March 2010, says a new monthly poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation. After months of split support for the law, 51 percent of respondents to the latest poll had an unfavorable view while only 34 percent had a favorable impression. “

Jm

October 28th, 2011
12:10 pm

Jay 12:03
The man hasn’t lost his bearings jay

Peadawg

October 28th, 2011
12:13 pm

GOP candidate vs. Obama in 2012

Yup…we’re screwed either way.

AmVet

October 28th, 2011
12:14 pm

Paul, LOL at you comment about pragmatism. It is hard not to agree.

Also, add these words to the list of GOP no-nos;

Moderation, accountability, progress, compromise, statesmanship and vision.

Why did the Republican Party kill conservatism???

Jimmy62

October 28th, 2011
12:14 pm

I agree. If there’s one thing Obama has shown us, it’s that electing an inexperienced guy is a bad idea. If you’ve never really worked in the real world, if your entire adult existence was lived inside of a left wing fantasy bubble, then you probably won’t do a good job running a country.

Paul

October 28th, 2011
12:16 pm

F. Sinkwich

Surely you’re not saying the Massachusetts plan now is identical to what it was when Romney left office?

Jm

October 28th, 2011
12:17 pm

If u want jobs, vote Romney

Granny Godzilla

October 28th, 2011
12:18 pm

George Will just now figuring this out?
The GOP not only has candidate problems they have
pundit issues as well.

What conderns me….

As the majority of the GOP finally realizes what a hole they have dug themselves into, the ugliest fringiest of them will just get uglier and fringier.

Some of those folks could well be dangerous.

Paul

October 28th, 2011
12:18 pm

AmVet

“Why did the Republican Party kill conservatism???”

I know I say it so often it sounds trite, but

Money and Power.

With a base who are willing to commit suicide to serve their betters.

md

October 28th, 2011
12:18 pm

jm and Am……..if the choice is bad or bad, I don’t see sitting out as a problem……if I like neither, it doesn’t much matter to me which one screws up the country……I won’t like it either way.

Paul

October 28th, 2011
12:20 pm

Jm

“The man hasn’t lost his bearings…”

The Party had a screw loose and lost it?

Mr_B

October 28th, 2011
12:21 pm

RB: Over the years I have known many Republicans who I admired and respected. I’ve seen many Republicans that I considered statesmen, even I didn’t agree with their ideas about many of the details of organizing our common society. I suspect that some of those people still exist. There are Republicans for whom I could vote. Unfortunately none of them, (except maybe Huntsman) are running for the nomination.

saywhat?

October 28th, 2011
12:21 pm

md- Clinton, but not Obama? They are both centrists, and if anything, Obama is at least just as if not a little more open to compromise with the right.

AmVet

October 28th, 2011
12:23 pm

62, though your explanation sure doesn’t account for the worst ever – George Walker Bush – does it?

Tall

October 28th, 2011
12:24 pm

“….Why wouldn’t they think that? This is the party of extreme denalism, with it’s birtherism and anti-science nuttery front and center. They lock themselves in that little echo chamber and for them, Obama’s loss is as plain as the nose on your face. They seriously believe that. Funny thing though, when something happens that is clearly counter to their version of reality, they have an amazing ability to sail right along like it never happened. …”

More comedy. Keep it up. I guess that’s me you’re referring to. Yes…I am completely incapable of thinking for myself.

Ross Perot

October 28th, 2011
12:25 pm

If you put Romney on dancing with the stars, he’d win in a landslide! He would pull the democrat base and their intellect completely!

Jay

October 28th, 2011
12:25 pm

A case in point:

Romney in June:

“I don’t speak for the scientific community, of course, but I believe the world’s getting warmer. I can’t prove that, but I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that. I don’t know how much our contribution is to that, because I know that there have been periods of greater heat and warmth in the past but I believe we contribute to that. And so I think it’s important for us to reduce our emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that may well be significant contributors to the climate change and the global warming that you’re seeing.”

And Romney now:

“My view is that we don’t know what’s causing climate change on this planet. And the idea of spending trillions and trillions of dollars to try to reduce CO2 emissions is not the right course for us….
I think the EPA, acting in concert with the president, really doesn’t like oil, gas, coal, and nuclear. I really do believe that the EPA wants to get its hands on all of energy and be able to crush it to cause prices to go through the roof.”

Anybody believe Mitt “really does believe that” nonsense?

Guy Incognito

October 28th, 2011
12:26 pm

“the man, identified as a member of the Wahhabi branch of Islam, was killed by a sniper after firing a Kalashnikov rifle at the US mission”

Another peaceful follower of Allah

Don't Tread

October 28th, 2011
12:27 pm

“Republican successes down the ticket will depend on the energies of the tea party and other conservatives, who will be deflated by a [presedential] nominee…”

On the contrary, if Romney does win the nomination, I think the tea party will increase the efforts to get their Congressmen of choice elected because that will be their only representation. Romney certainly won’t help them unless he’s forced to do it (seems unlikely).

saywhat?

October 28th, 2011
12:29 pm

Jimmy62

October 28th, 2011
12:14 pm
“I agree. If there’s one thing Obama has shown us, it’s that electing an inexperienced guy is a bad idea. If you’ve never really worked in the real world, if your entire adult existence was lived inside of a left wing fantasy bubble, then you probably won’t do a good job running a country”

Really? You expect people to take you seriously with crap like this. We are expected to believe that Harvard law school, the Illinois state legislature and the US Senate are all “left wing fantasy bubbles”? Maybe on planet62 in the universe of wingnuttia.

But, if you are so against electing an “inexperienced guy”, I guess you will be voting for Obama in 2012. He is after all, the only person running with experience in the position.

larry

October 28th, 2011
12:29 pm

I sure would love to do nothing for $174,000 a year…………… show up a couple of weeks and then go on vacation for a couple of weeks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/campaigns/republicans-plan-to-convene-house-for-109-days-next-year-but-democrats-say-thats-too-few/2011/10/27/gIQAbyNxMM_story.html

md

October 28th, 2011
12:29 pm

“They are both centrists, and if anything, Obama is at least just as if not a little more open to compromise with the right.”

Obama wants folks to “think” he is a centrist……his actions say otherwise. The mere use of class warfare turns me off on him…………..I don’t like too many that intentionally mislead. Comparing Buffet to his secretary was the final straw. They both have the exact same cap gains rate, and we already have a progressive tax structure…….twisting that the way he did is nauseating.

AmVet

October 28th, 2011
12:30 pm

OK, off to be a happy idiot and earn a few bucks.

Jay, your 12:25 reminded me of this one…

The use of solar energy has not been opened up because the oil industry does not own the sun. ~ Ralph Nader

Toodles, all…

Libertarian

October 28th, 2011
12:31 pm

I would personally love to watch Newt debate Obama. Newt would kick his butt.

Paul

October 28th, 2011
12:32 pm

Jay

“Anybody believe Mitt “really does believe that” nonsense?”

I sure hope not. There’s a good chance he could be our next president. It’d never happen, but I’d hope in his inaugural address he’d say “We’ve been through a challenging primary and election fight. Many things were said. But that’s all past. The time for nuttiness is over. It’s time for reality to reestablish itself.”

saywhat?

October 28th, 2011
12:34 pm

md- I disagree. Pointing out what inequities exist in an economic system is not class warfare, especially if the consequences of those inequities negatively affect society and the economy as a whole. Perpetuating and defending those inequities as if they are somehow sacrosanct IS class warfare.

md

October 28th, 2011
12:35 pm

“anybody believe Mitt “really does believe that” nonsense?”

I see no problem with it……there is a difference between doing something to reduce emissions and going to the extreme to do something to reduce emissions. And it is no secret that the extreme tree huggers would prefer the more extreme course.

pat

October 28th, 2011
12:35 pm

Anyone of those names would be better with president in front of it that what we have. Obama has been an unmittiaged failure from day one. I am less afraid of a Romney or Perry White House than a another four years of this horror of a president.
Everything he has done is a failure.

As you well know this won’t be decided by you or I, it’s the folks who are watching DWTS and Glee and have no idea who the candidates are until about August or September of next year.
There is no way in hell I am voting for four more years of recession and torturously bad leadership and there is no way yall are voting for a republican. So it’s not really up to us…

saywhat?

October 28th, 2011
12:35 pm

Why is everything in italics? I’m so confused……..

Mad Max

October 28th, 2011
12:37 pm

Herman Cain? Rick Perry? Michele Bachmann? Newt Gingrich? Really? Would you be comfortable sticking the title “President” in front of any of those names?

More comfortable than I am with the boy who currently holds the title.

Guy Incognito

October 28th, 2011
12:38 pm

“saywhat?

October 28th, 2011
12:35 pm
Why is everything in italics? I’m so confused……..”

I guess it’s not just me

stands for decibels

October 28th, 2011
12:38 pm

teh slanties! argh!

md

October 28th, 2011
12:39 pm

“Pointing out what inequities exist in an economic system is not class warfare,”

Which would be fine……but that is not what he did. He compared 2 totally different aspects of the tax structure to each other……….and that stinks.

Do they both not have the same cap gains rate??

Do we already not have a progressive income tax structure?

He compared apples to oranges……..intentionally.

RB from Gwinnett

October 28th, 2011
12:39 pm

Mitt is the sort of conservative a state like Mass could embrace. That’s NOT the kind of conservative we need.

md

October 28th, 2011
12:40 pm

“Why is everything in italics? I’m so confused……..”

Glad I’m not the only one too…..

Mad Max

October 28th, 2011
12:41 pm

I call him boy because he acts like a little boy. When he grows up and accepts responsibility, I’ll call him a man. Act like a boy, get called a boy.

AmVet

October 28th, 2011
12:42 pm

Been slightly delayed.

Class warfare is just the new buzz word in the Republispeak lexicon. And like the other entries therein, is meaningless.

There are two Americas.

Fact.

And it has rapidly gotten much, much worse. With devastating consequences.

Quit whining about fed up people who are no longer rolling over and playing dead and who are at long last, finally speaking out against systemic injustice and legalized thievery.

And join them.

Sean

October 28th, 2011
12:42 pm

What is up with the italic?

jt

October 28th, 2011
12:42 pm

Concerning Romney,………Bookman needs to get a room.

Mr. Snarky

October 28th, 2011
12:43 pm

Romney is a weasel. Everybody knows it.
He may be weaselly enough to get the Repub nomination, but that’s all.
Remember how Bush crucified Kerry? And he just flip flopped on one issue…Romney is a serial flopper and that’s going to make it easy for the dems.

Butch Cassidy

October 28th, 2011
12:44 pm

Listen to me my Republican friends, Huntsman is your only hope. Stop cheering for the loudest speaker in the room and start listening. Huntsman is everything you need in order to have a chance of unseating Obama. Like it or not, the current band of merry misfits, will do nothing but ensure an Obama victory in 2012. I don’t have any party loyalty, but it’s just to painful to watch you guys back the wrong horse day after day.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 28th, 2011
12:44 pm

Jay, omits a few important details. Obama’s unfavorable poll numbers and the fact that the majority of voters have increasingly become uncomfortable with the title “President” in front of Barack Obama’s name. It’s the economy stupid and Obama as proven himself to be a low achiever in coming up with solutions to our economic problems. I don’t believe that Jay and his left wing cohorts are as confident in Obama winning re-election as they’re making themselves out to be.

Granny Godzilla

October 28th, 2011
12:44 pm

“He compared 2 totally different aspects of the tax structure to each other…”

was that top secret or something?

AmVet

October 28th, 2011
12:47 pm

I’d be comfortable with those four as president, also.

Herman as the president of the Anti-Islamic League.

Rick as the president of the Global Cooling Alliance.

Michelle as the president of the Nurse Ratched Club.

And Newt as the president of the “Where’s my next wife?” Association.

md

October 28th, 2011
12:47 pm

“Class warfare is just the new buzz word in the Republispeak lexicon”

Not an R, and I’ll call them like I see them, of course it’s class warfare Am……but I really don’t expect anyone that drives a foreign car and doesn’t understand the effect it has on this country to “get it”.

But don’t feel too bad…..you are not alone. There are others here too that don’t understand the concept of foreign companies doing business here controlling the profits of the entire company….

Obama Supporter to the end

October 28th, 2011
12:49 pm

You can’t beat somebody (Obama) with nobody (Herman Cain? Rick Perry? Michele Bachmann? Newt Gingrich?) Nah!

saywhat?

October 28th, 2011
12:49 pm

“Which would be fine……but that is not what he did. He compared 2 totally different aspects of the tax structure to each other……….and that stinks.

Do they both not have the same cap gains rate??”

**But we don’t all have equal access to to those different tax structures. What percentage of their annual income can even a middle class indivual hope to make off of capital gains?**

“Do we already not have a progressive income tax structure?

He compared apples to oranges……..intentionally.”

***Thats because some people are getting all the oranges while others are stuck with the apples

By your reasoning, the wealthy would have no argument against a 99% marginal tax rate on earnings over $1,000,000 because poor people would have the same highest marginal tax rate as the wealthy.***

md

October 28th, 2011
12:49 pm

“was that top secret or something?”

Not to those that have a clue……for the others, not so much. It’s hiding in the open for them.

larry

October 28th, 2011
12:50 pm

This week, the Economic Policy Institute released a report that said protesters in the movement are “fundamentally right” in saying the economy has “generated increasingly unequal economic outcomes …” The report said the top 1 percent of households had 59.9 percent of all the gains in income from 1979 to 2007. The bottom 90 percent had 8.6 percent of the gains.

Peadawg

October 28th, 2011
12:50 pm

“but I really don’t expect anyone that drives a foreign car and doesn’t understand the effect it has on this country to “get it”.”

Maybe American car manufacturers need to build better vehicles. You ever think about that? There’s a reason why Toyota and Honda are at the top of list as far as best and safest cars out there.

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
12:50 pm

“It’s the economy stupid”

(pssst … don’t anyone show him yesterday’s blogs about GDP growth in Q3 … )

AmVet

October 28th, 2011
12:50 pm

Jeezoo, the Infiniti canard again?

Nice dodge (get it?!)

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
12:51 pm

Peadawg – I thought that US manufacturers led in pick-em-up and work-type trucks … ? (that was a serious question, by the way)

md

October 28th, 2011
12:54 pm

**But we don’t all have equal access to to those different tax structures. What percentage of their annual income can even a middle class indivual hope to make off of capital gains?**

Sure they do, the access is there to all………..did Buffet start out with his billions??

Of course not…….and he was taxed the appropriate amount on his way up the ladder………

“***Thats because some people are getting all the oranges while others are stuck with the apples”

And there are hundreds of variables that make up that equation……income only being one of them.

Paul

October 28th, 2011
12:55 pm

RB from Gwinnett

“That’s NOT the kind of conservative we need.”

So there’s more than one kind of conservative?

Conservative diversity. Who’da’ thunk.

Just what kind of a conservative do we need?

Peadawg

October 28th, 2011
12:55 pm

“I thought that US manufacturers led in pick-em-up and work-type trucks … ?”

I’m not sure. I’m just talking about the overall quality of the vehicle. I’d pick a Toyota Tacoma over a F-150 and day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Mr. Snarky

October 28th, 2011
12:56 pm

Someone needs to get Romney a wind surfboard.

Jefferson

October 28th, 2011
12:56 pm

If the GOP is so great, how the President Obama get elected, I mean did they not do a good job or something?

AmVet

October 28th, 2011
12:57 pm

OK, I’ve got to boogie.

I’ll step away from my PC, made from Taiwanese parts.

Got my jeans on, that were made in Mexico.

I’ll hop into my Japanese made auto and head down the road.

And enjoy my status as a class warfare warrior!

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 28th, 2011
12:57 pm

“pssst … don’t anyone show him yesterday’s blogs about GDP growth in Q3 … )”

Evidently somebody doesn’t understand budget deficits, high unemployment and insufficient GDP growth that at the recently reported level won’t get the country back on track.

md

October 28th, 2011
12:57 pm

“Maybe American car manufacturers need to build better vehicles. You ever think about that? There’s a reason why Toyota and Honda are at the top of list as far as best and safest cars out there.”

And I agree……..but that doesn’t change the fact that our own buying habits have shipped the profits off-shore…………and now folks want to bitch about stagnant salaries………..

It’s basic accounting……force prices down, expenses have to be cut or kept in check. It isn’t a magic formula.

HDB

October 28th, 2011
12:58 pm

Peadawg
October 28th, 2011
12:50 pm

You know that Toyota and Honda are the only two independently-owned Japanese auto manufacturers, right!! The remainder are part of global conglomerates:

Mazda/Kia/Hyundai/Volvo/Jaguar/Aston Martin —> FORD
Mitsubishi —> Chrysler
Isuzu/Opel/Vauxhall/Saab —> GM
Nissan —> Renault

Granny Godzilla

October 28th, 2011
12:58 pm

It is only class warfare when we fight back.

Wonder why that is?

and

“Not to those that have a clue……for the others, not so much. It’s hiding in the open for them.”

Then comparing them was a problem why?

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
12:58 pm

Peadawg – hey, I’m not a pickemuptruck kinda girl – I’m a compact car, Fiat 500 type, myself … no exactly US car companies’ strong suit