Casino gambling a bad bet for Georgia

Three casinos, including one in metro Atlanta, could produce a billion dollars a year for state government, predicts a study commissioned by the Georgia Lottery Corporation.

Now, a billion dollars is a lot of money these days. It could pay a lot of teachers and build a lot of schools, although Georgia legislators would no doubt prefer to use the money to reduce or eliminate state taxes on business.

But is legalized gambling likely to happen? The early line from oddsmakers says no, given the power of religious conservatives in the state. And while I tend to agree with that, money in amounts beginning in “B” has a way of changing minds. For example, while those same religious conservatives have a lot of sway in neighboring Alabama, the casino industry has made serious inroads there in recent years. How? Well, a federal corruption prosecution is now underway in our neighboring state, focusing on charges that legislators were bribed to cast pro-gambling votes.

In the study commissioned by the lottery corporation, the danger of corruption is addressed with admirable frankness. It recognizes that when billions of dollars of private profit depend on decisions made by government officials, money has a way of moving from pocket to pocket. The best guarantee against that danger, it says, is to instill a mindset that “the goal of (gaming) regulators is not to maximize revenue, but to enforce the rules.”

That’s a problem. On a variety of fronts, from environmental protection to consumer affairs, Georgia elected officials tend to take the opposite view, choosing to prioritize revenue over rules. That doesn’t exactly instill a lot of confidence in how well they’d handle gambling.

In addition, while the lottery study looks only at three casinos operating slot machines and video gambling, it’s foolish to think it would end there.
“Slippery-slope” arguments are overused, but in this case that slope is as well-worn and obvious as a ski-run. In state after state, video gambling clears the path to table-gambling; one casino eases the way to three casinos to 10 casinos. The promise of easy money, for governments and private investors alike, becomes too hard to resist.

The lobbying underway to legalize horseracing in Georgia is driven by that same dynamic. I’m a big fan of horseracing; there’s nothing like standing at the rail watching those beautiful animals pound their way to the finish line. But horse tracks have been closing all over the country. Even in states such as Kentucky, where the roots of the industry are deep, the tracks that survive — so-called “racinos” — do so not on horse-racing revenue but because they install thousands of slot machines.

It’s also important to think carefully about the economic and cultural impact of casinos, because the gaming industry casts a large shadow where other things have trouble growing. Go to gambling towns such as Reno or Atlantic City, and you’ll notice that outside the casinos there is almost no commercial activity. Casinos do everything in their power to keep visitors and their dollars contained on-site. As a result, you see few independent restaurants, hotels, bars and entertainment facilities.

The same is true of a major city such as Las Vegas. Even with a low tax structure made possible by gaming revenue, traditional industries have been reluctant to locate there because the casino culture is so dominant.

In fact, as someone who lived and worked in Las Vegas for several years, I’d align myself with religious conservatives on this one. It’s hard to quantify, but beyond the surface din of excitement, there’s an underlying sadness to casino towns that money just doesn’t alleviate. There are some things more important than money.

– Jay Bookman

295 comments Add your comment

Guy Incognito

October 28th, 2011
8:00 am

Betchya $100 this doesn’t go thru

Guy Incognito

October 28th, 2011
8:02 am

Look at Springfield when Burns opened his casino. Learn from the Simpsons

Adam

October 28th, 2011
8:04 am

Jay: money in amounts beginning in “B” has a way of changing minds.

“Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?”
“Sure”
“Would you sleep with me for one dollar?”
“Who do you think I am?”
“We’ve already decided who you are, now we’re just negotiating”

So much for principles….

Personally as long as people are not allowed to somehow bet away their home, clothing, car, etc I don’t see any reason they shouldn’t be allowed to gamble away whatever else they feel like, principle wise. When it comes to Georgia, however, I’d be much less inclined to say it’s ok for the money to go where it would end up going.

Granny Godzilla

October 28th, 2011
8:04 am

Create a combination mega church casino.

Gambling for God.

Special decks of cards…..Jehovah’s always wild.

Normal

October 28th, 2011
8:08 am

Well, I’m “all in” for it. Always wanted to be a dealer, sleeve garters, sun visors and all.

Normal

October 28th, 2011
8:08 am

Granny Godzilla

October 28th, 2011
8:04 am

Granny G.
Why not? The Catholics got Bingo… :)

Joe The Plumber too.

October 28th, 2011
8:08 am

granny, thats just funny, I don’t care which side of the road you live on.

Peadawg

October 28th, 2011
8:09 am

Again, the GOP blocks a very good way to raise money. Thanks Deal….

Guy Incognito

October 28th, 2011
8:09 am

GG,

Are your most recent grandkids the only ones for you? I need a gift idea for a 4 year old boy who is really into cars.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 28th, 2011
8:10 am

There are some things more important than money.

I suspect an underlying premise of that claim is that everyone has a soul, compassion and a heart. Frankly, the heartlessness I see from the extreme right wingnuts puts that premise into question.

Guy Incognito

October 28th, 2011
8:12 am

Normal

“sleeve garters, sun visors and all.”

U Fashionista U

BlahBlahBlah

October 28th, 2011
8:13 am

Government says no to casino gambling, but has no problem with selling millions of scratch off tickets a year, mostly to the poor and lower middle class. But if I want to take a shot at the craps table, or put a hundred bucks on the Falcons game, I have to take my disposable income elsewhere to do so. Hypocrites, all of them.

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
8:13 am

“Create a combination mega church casino.”

it always worked with Bingo in the Catholic Church!! :-)

Mick

October 28th, 2011
8:13 am

Jay – they are going after us down here big time. An asian conglomerate bought the miami herald building on biscayne bay and has big plans, 2 billion investment. With 11.5% unemployement, we need to shake hands with the devil and do it, besides miami lost its soul many years ago. Disney is screaming and hollering but our pious legislators seeing the promise of all those greenbacks is quickly losing their religion, as long as its not in their backyard. Do we really have that many gamblers to support this? Not me, too cheap…

Peadawg

October 28th, 2011
8:13 am

BlahBlahBlah
October 28th, 2011
8:13 am

Well said!

Normal

October 28th, 2011
8:13 am

“Special decks of cards…..Jehovah’s always wild.”

With games like “Part the Oceans”, “Egypt Hold ‘em”, “Two Card Moses”, and “Black Judas”. :lol:

AmVet

October 28th, 2011
8:15 am

Too bad we can’t send our Southern Baptist puritans and min-prohibitionists to Alabama…

Normal,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ_qxIFG2c4

Jefferson

October 28th, 2011
8:16 am

Build them on the coastal islands only. If there are not cards and tables, its not real gambling.

Freedom to choose, regulated capitalism, and a steady flow of tax income for the state.

Granny Godzilla

October 28th, 2011
8:19 am

Guy

I’m new at little boy stuff…but for a 4 year old I go for volume.

A sack o’ cars. Matchbox or the like.

Best gift would be sitting on the floor with the little gentlemen
and play cars with him for a while….

Granny Godzilla

October 28th, 2011
8:20 am

Two Card Moses….

Screen cleaner please

Mick

October 28th, 2011
8:20 am

guy

Just keep him away from the girl scouts! :)

Jimmy62

October 28th, 2011
8:20 am

I agree, as long as the government is involved there will be far too much corruption. You can trust politicians to keep their hands to themselves. Next thing we know, one of the casinos will be failing and the government will bail them out and then blame the casino for our woes.

Finn McCool

October 28th, 2011
8:23 am

there’s an underlying sadness to casino towns that money just doesn’t alleviate.

That’s why we have to legalize prostitution at the same time.

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
8:24 am

Guy and Normal – 8:12 – visions of The Sting dancing in my head

Gordon

October 28th, 2011
8:27 am

I couldn’t agree more. We don’t need that here.

Finn McCool

October 28th, 2011
8:29 am

one casino at Lanier Islands is all I’m asking for.

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
8:29 am

“there’s an underlying sadness to casino towns that money just doesn’t alleviate.”

there are very few more depressing places than the riverboat gambling establishments in St. Louis.

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
8:31 am

on the flip side, though … the mister and I used to love the Mohegan casino in Connecticut … very swank, they got some decent musicians to come perform, they really made it a big money-maker for the tribe

Jay

October 28th, 2011
8:31 am

“I agree, as long as the government is involved there will be far too much corruption.”

Right, Jimmy. Because before government started regulating gambling, those mob-run casinos were ever so honest and non-corrupt, absolute paragons of private-industry rectitude.

My goodness.

godless heathen

October 28th, 2011
8:31 am

Put it to a vote.

TaxPayer

October 28th, 2011
8:32 am

But think of the jobs! And the tax-cutting revenue! And the jobs! Did I say, jobs! j/k :roll:

Then again, if there were some way to limit gambling to only one percent of the population, maybe it wouldn’t be so bad. We’d get the revenues without violating the written word of the GOP — thou shalt not increase taxation on the job creators!

BobStein

October 28th, 2011
8:33 am

So let’s just fire some more teachers and take more cops of the street so Mr. Bookman has something else to complain about….Gambling is inevitable, it’s just a question of whether the state is smart enought to take advantage of it….

TaxPayer

October 28th, 2011
8:35 am

“Special decks of cards…..Jehovah’s always wild.”

With games like “Part the Oceans”, “Egypt Hold ‘em”, “Two Card Moses”, and “Black Judas”.

Too cool Normal. I think you’ve got a winning hand there.

Guy Incognito

October 28th, 2011
8:37 am

GG

U r so practical. I will spend time with him, but probably not while he’s in the middle of his bday party tomorrow. Oh how I can’t wait for being in the middle of 30 4-6 yr olds :-(

UnU,

Was My Favorite Martian running the past-posting con in your head :-)

carlosgvv

October 28th, 2011
8:37 am

This us is one of the few times I agree with the religious conservatives. For every one good thing you can say about gambling, there are at least two bad ones. Unfortunately, our politicians are so corrupt they are like tall, slender very flexible reeds easily bending in the financial winds. This issue will be decided on which way the wind is blowing.

stands for decibels

October 28th, 2011
8:38 am

I’d align myself with religious conservatives on this one. It’s hard to quantify, but beyond the surface din of excitement, there’s an underlying sadness to casino towns that money just doesn’t alleviate.

Beautifully put and I agree 100%.

stands for decibels

October 28th, 2011
8:40 am

I agree, as long as the government is involved there will be far too much corruption.

Possibly the stupidest thing that will be posted on the intertoobz today. (and yeah I know I’m piling on, but Jeebus…)

mike "hussein" smith

October 28th, 2011
8:41 am

The lottery corp. is merely looking for a new way to keep those big bonuses coming in every year.

Peadawg

October 28th, 2011
8:42 am

“Beautifully put and I agree 100%.” – Typical. Jay and some other liberals are on board w/ this so they can regulate how people spend their money.

Finn McCool

October 28th, 2011
8:43 am

think of all the jobs legalized prostitution will bring!!

It’s a naturally recurring resource. 100% inventory 365 days a year. Get Nathan on the phone. I got a plan.

godless heathen

October 28th, 2011
8:43 am

Why do we need casino gambling? Those that want to do it can take their dollars to Florida, Biloxi, Atlantic City, Las Vegas, Cherokee NC, or they can gamble in the back room of Haji’s market. Lot’s of places they can go with their dollars so that the State of Georgia doesn’t get a dime. And it’s a lot more satisfying to raise revenue by docking everyone’s paychecks, especially rich folks.

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
8:43 am

“Next thing we know, one of the casinos will be failing and the government will bail them out and then blame the casino for our woes.”

the stoopid.

it burns us.

TaxPayer

October 28th, 2011
8:44 am

I think we should just open up our own little stock market exchanges here. It’s already legal and the state could just impose a per-trade fee.

stands for decibels

October 28th, 2011
8:44 am

let’s just fire some more teachers and take more cops of the street

No. You merely have to adequately tax the big stakes gamblers. That is, the folks who “earn” their income dumping vast sums of money millions of times per second and producing, you know, nothing whatsoever of value to the republic.

and yeah, ending the freaking wars and downsizing our military industrial complex to something suitable to actual defense needs would help too.

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
8:45 am

Peadawg – “so they can regulate how people spend their money.”

it’s not regulating how people spend their money

it’s preventing spending state money of future problems. like organized crime and gambling addiction.

Peadawg

October 28th, 2011
8:45 am

Just think of the jobs casinos would bring. Construction jobs plus all the casinos workers

stands for decibels

October 28th, 2011
8:47 am

PD, can’t you find some people who can tolerate an evening of card-playing with you? is that the problem here?

TaxPayer

October 28th, 2011
8:48 am

And if you put the slot machines inside the stalls of Noah’s Ark, you can make it a fambly outing!!

Peadawg

October 28th, 2011
8:49 am

I thought Jay and sfd was all about creating jobs? I guess not…..

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
8:49 am

peadawg – there are loads of things that would create jobs … meth labs … brothels … pot greenhouses … doesn’t mean it would be good for the welfare of the state

Mick

October 28th, 2011
8:49 am

The real secret of going to vegas is not the casino’s but all the places you can see outside of that pit, a great jumping off point if you will. Anybody ever go to zion national park? or bryce canyon? incredible. Cheap flights, cheap rooms, I am the casino’s worst guest as far as getting my money thru gambling…

Peadawg

October 28th, 2011
8:52 am

“meth labs … brothels … pot greenhouses” – Yes cause those are soooo similar to casinos. :roll:

Adam

October 28th, 2011
8:52 am

Peadawg: Jay and some other liberals are on board w/ this so they can regulate how people spend their money.

I take it you read my own post on the subject? :)

ty webb

October 28th, 2011
8:53 am

Mick,
plus Sigfried and Roy…Fabulous!

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
8:53 am

p’dawg – you didn’t say that – all you said was job creation

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
8:54 am

ty – dammit, man … pass the screen cleaner

Stonethrower

October 28th, 2011
8:54 am

So, instead of raising taxes on the poor and middle class, let’s build a casino or two so they will give us the money. I just love when a plan comes together.

scrappy

October 28th, 2011
8:55 am

“because the gaming industry casts a large shadow where other things have trouble growing. Go to gambling towns such as Reno or Atlantic City, and you’ll notice that outside the casinos there is almost no commercial activity. Casinos do everything in their power to keep visitors and their dollars contained on-site. As a result, you see few independent restaurants, hotels, bars and entertainment facilities. ”

I must disagree, and think you are comparing apples to oranges. Las Vegas and Atlantic City are based on casinos, a city like Atlanta is not based on gambling, it just wants a couple to generate revenue, and I think that is a huge difference.
I am from Detroit, and think that is a great example. The three casinos there have helped to re-develop the areas and bring back some of the suburbanites, if only for a night, and I think it would have the same affect in Atlanta.
As for the fewer independent retailers, lets face it, Atlanta is too large and without any mass means of linking transportation, so the current result is lots of little areas. Would casinos make this worse? Would casinos make it better? Would casinos eventually force some type of linking? Who knows, but its not like the current system is all that great….

Peadawg

October 28th, 2011
8:55 am

I see nothing wrong with a couple of casinos w/ a butt load of slot machines. Revenue for the state. Revenue for the HOPE scholarship. Thousands of jobs.

That’s all I’m saying on the subject. See y’all on the next blog.

ty webb

October 28th, 2011
8:55 am

legalize it all…gambling, prostitution, weed, meth.

AmVet

October 28th, 2011
8:56 am

Anybody ever go to zion national park?

Yep, Mick. In less than a three hour drive from Sodom and Gomorrah (LOL!), I was in one of the more spectacular, scenic and serene places I’ve been to.

I’ve gone to Vegas three or four times and other than playing some slots with my mom, I’ve gambled exactly zero dollars. The shows, the food and a certain lovely red head that I know are the only reasons strong enough to make me go there!

Brad Steel

October 28th, 2011
8:56 am

gambling cash in lieu of taxes?… hooray!!! everyone wins!

nothing is better for society than taxing people who don’t understand math and have weak impulse control. they deserve to be taxed for their mental weakness and stupidity, don’t they?

Thulsa Doom

October 28th, 2011
8:57 am

I like gambling and lottery tax revenues. Its a voluntary tax on stupid people. The flip side is that unfortunately gambling really hurts the poor and minority communities. On second thoughts this is probably more suffering for the poor. Lord knows these communities have enough problems making responsible decisions in their lives. Its better to not give them chances to screw up more. Doomy on the drive by.

carlosgvv

October 28th, 2011
8:57 am

Granny – 8:04

I think you may be on to something. It used to be “kill a Commie for Christ”. Now it can be “roll the dice for Christ”.

Jay

October 28th, 2011
8:58 am

Amvet, when we lived in Vegas we would leave every weekend we could, and spent a LOT of time camping in Zion. A beautiful place.

stranger in a strange land

October 28th, 2011
8:59 am

gambling – and why not?
afterall, even if I gamble away everything I have, can always count on that Obama money to be there to buy me food stamps, diapers for the babies, pay my college loan, the mortgage, etc.

ty webb

October 28th, 2011
8:59 am

“I was in one of the more spectacular, scenic and serene places I’ve been to.”

the Mustang Ranch?

TaxPayer

October 28th, 2011
9:00 am

Think of the bright side, Jay. A whole new batch of people could learn math. Important things like how many times you can pull the handle on a nickel slot machine for a given amount of money in your pocket and even determining if you will have any change left over. In fact, I think Dave Ramsey could do a whole book on this one and maybe even Clark Howard too.

Jm

October 28th, 2011
9:01 am

Miami is building a great new casino everyone can come to

Blah, there’s always the Internet

Butch Cassidy

October 28th, 2011
9:02 am

How do you folks in Georgia keep your footing with the ground constantly shifting beneath your feet? You have a heavy Republican Majority, Lead by A Republican Governor. You know, the same people that scream at the top of their lungs LESS GOVERNMENT, MORE FREEDOM, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! But whenever the subject of gambling or drinking comes up, they suddenly become the Nanny state in trying to regulate what they feel is best for everyone. All that spinning has got to make you dizzy sometimes.

1811/0311

October 28th, 2011
9:03 am

JAY:

Why? It’s just like the lottery ………… where the poor finance college for the rich !!!

Didn’t you support the lottery ?

Jm

October 28th, 2011
9:03 am

Jay 8:58

I thought “what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas”….. :)

Not on topic

I just want the deficit fixed and our debts paid down

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
9:05 am

“Now it can be “roll the dice for Christ”.”

didn’t the Roman Sentries already do that?

oh, it was just for his robes, nevermind …

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
9:06 am

jm – “Miami is building a great new casino everyone can come to”

you’re in Miami?

LOVE Miami! (met the mister in Miami)

in fact, was just talking with a coworker about drinking mojitoes by the pool at the Delano (we didn’t stay there, but we did have a few cocktails there – very swish)

Mick

October 28th, 2011
9:07 am

ty

Yes, forgot to mention those fabulous shows. In the winter you can drive to brian head and ski. Yes, loves my vegas trippin..

Don't Tread

October 28th, 2011
9:09 am

We have enough gambling addicts without legalizing casinos here. If you just have to feed the monster, there are plenty of casinos within easy driving distance.

But never underestimate the power of the “B” word.

(I’d lay off the loving horse racing comments there Jay, lest PETA or ASPCA come find you…)

Mick

October 28th, 2011
9:10 am

usinuk

Last job my dad ran was the delano, union plumbing contractor, job brought in on time and under budget & done right the first time, throw away the chipping hammer. He was hob nobbing with the big boys and can stay there comp any time he likes…

stands for decibels

October 28th, 2011
9:12 am

I just want the deficit fixed and our debts paid down

I agree, and recognize that yours is a serious character defect.

Stevie Ray

October 28th, 2011
9:12 am

Casino’s are a bad idea. Heck, we already have something very similar in our state legislature. The fact that all those kids are getting HOPE money from lottery should serve as a lesson. The folks that buy 90% of lottery tickets either didn’t or don’t plan on a HOPE anytime soon.

On an unrelated topic, I need help understanding the ever expanding definition of racism. I listened to an african american, left talk show host, refer to Herman Cain as a racist for calling out other african americans al a Bill Cosby. Racism is to a degree human nature but evolving slowly away from same. I get frustrated when one who is on the losing side of debate quickly calls race card.. What am I missing?

detritusUSA

October 28th, 2011
9:12 am

Study commissioned by the Lottery Corporation of Ga. Who would of thought that they would come up with the idea of casinos in Ga. being a good thing!

jm

October 28th, 2011
9:13 am

Jay. Too bad you despise and ridicule Paul Ryan so much. He’s a reasonable guy.

The Divider vs. the Thinker
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203554104577002262150454258.html

jm

October 28th, 2011
9:13 am

USinUK – well, waaaaay North Miami

stands for decibels

October 28th, 2011
9:13 am

I mean, I agree that’s all you want, jm.

And you don’t care if it means Grandma can’t afford a box of Depends at the end of the month; the stupid b!tch should oughta’ve planned better.

Which is FUBAR, by any sensible reckoning.

HDB

October 28th, 2011
9:14 am

If you want a casino in Georgia…here’s how:

1) Get the Seminoles to purchase 100 acres of land and declare it a RESERVATION!! Native American reservations are considered a separate entity from the state and are not subject to state taxation! Seen it in Minnesota, Iowa……

2) Build a hotel and casino on those 100 acres…..

3) Watch the money come in!!

Richard

October 28th, 2011
9:15 am

C’mon Jay, I didn’t know you were a social conservative.

The fact of the matter is what you do with your money is your business and no one else’s. If you bet you house, clothes, and car, well, you’re an idiot, and I won’t feel sorry for you on the street. Gambling happens anyway, legal or not. Everyone has bet on something, whether a $5 bet that your football team will win or $10 in a poker game. Get the government out of my life thank you.

Mick

October 28th, 2011
9:16 am

jm

Ryan is a pathetic shill for the rich, don’t like or relate to his thinking. Don’t the wealthy among us have enough advantages?

Mick

October 28th, 2011
9:17 am

jm

You live in north miami? We should get together for a drink so we can get drunk and then kill each other, may the best man win…

AmVet

October 28th, 2011
9:20 am

Jay, I wish I would have had the time, etc to camp there. It must be a great experience…

One of the great “bennies” of that whole “It stays there” schtick, is how Vegas is, in some ways, just like a gigantic wedding. The atmosphere is very charged, if you get my drift…

Stevie, maybe it has something to do with his hugely bigoted statement on Muslims ONLY having to take a special oath to serve in his would-be administration?

Or maybe his beyond moronic observation that black people are brainwashed?

Just a guess…

Jm

October 28th, 2011
9:21 am

Mick :)

I’m stretching the definition of north Miami

Think Alpharetta or Cumming version for Atlanta

We do make it down there for fun once a month though.

Let’s see, getting killed. I think that’s last in my bucket list…. :)

TaxPayer

October 28th, 2011
9:21 am

Paul Ryan obviously knows nothing about economics given his use of a Heritage Foundation paper that showed tax revenues increasing just as soon as we hits 2.8% unemployment rate and holds it there. What a tool.

Mick

October 28th, 2011
9:22 am

Mr Sunshine

October 28th, 2011
9:22 am

Must concur with Bookman.

jaquees

October 28th, 2011
9:23 am

Hey Stands….I like your reasoning. Me and the Husband are going to take a 10 day cruise in December. Unfortunately that doesn’t leave enough to pay my house note. Can I have some of your money to pay for that?

USinUK

October 28th, 2011
9:23 am

Mick – 9:10 – SA-WEET!!!

jm – how far north? Atlanta?? ;-) (I keed, I keed)

BlahBlahBlah

October 28th, 2011
9:24 am

Jm, the internet is not a legal option. Congress shut that down as part of a larger “security” bill a few years back.

All you anti-casino hypocrites are awfully quiet when it comes to the idea of getting rid of the Georgia Lottery Corp, scratchoffs, Powerball, MegaMillions, Keno etc.

Jm

October 28th, 2011
9:24 am

Mick re Ryan

He has proposed cutting SS and Medicare for the rich via means testing

I don’t think he’s a shill for the rich. But given we’re in the realm of opinion, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree

Jay

October 28th, 2011
9:25 am

Paul

October 28th, 2011
9:27 am

“There are some things more important than money.”

It’s a shame that when officials want more money for the general public good, they veer away from making the hard call and asking society, in general, pay for it.

And yes, Jay, that was some game last night. It’s been a good series.

AmVet

“Go Cards”?

I’ll humbly submit there are only two good things to ever come out of St Louis (and you’re with me when I say one isn’t Budweiser)

Interstate 70 and Interstate 44.

Going west.

Guy Incognito

October 28th, 2011
9:27 am

“how far north? Atlanta??”

Miami……of Ohio?

Mick

October 28th, 2011
9:28 am

jm

Funny thing is you have it backwards, obama is the thinker and ryan is the divider. I mean seriously, his plan is a wet dream for the 1%, why do they always get the nod over the middle class? Enough is enough..