Why a 2.5 percent growth rate might be better than you think

FIRST!

Oh, everything is Obamas fault! Do I get a double scoop of BS?

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So again you confirm to many of us with our heads above sand that indeed Obama is Bush-Lite.

Only problem though I was under the impression you felt GWB was not a good president, as I do.

So are you saying Bush did well like Obama or that Obama is doing bad like Bush?

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WEALTH ENVY!

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BAM! Loving the takedowns

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Butch: You get a double dip, not a double scoop

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GS: He’s saying Bush did worse. Read the numbers, dude.

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Generation$crewed,

…you felt GWB was not a good president, as I do.

Are you serious or just being sarcastic?

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Armed Liberal: If we were already at full employment I’d be happy.

Careful. You’re steps away from “Stimulus didn’t fix the problem 100% therefore FAILUUUUURE!”

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Jay says: “I’m saying what I always say: It’s silly to attribute economic trends, good or bad, to whoever occupies the White House at any given time.”

Ah, there ya go. That’s what I was looking for.

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Ok everyone….get to your respective sides. Time to duke it out regarding who’s responsible for the wonderful 2.5 percent growth! Is it Obama?? Is it the Republican House? I just don’t know.

Perhaps neither side is responsible?

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Headline: “Muslims say crosses at Catholic University Violate “Human Rights”

Well, there you go ……………………

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Jay

October 27th, 2011
3:44 pm

“That said, I also recognize how the game is played, and information like this does help keep things in their proper perspective.”

So in other words you know it will trick the dumb folks or those who do not think for themselves….

Eventhough you fully understand it is irrelevant.

Nice play!

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OK I’ve found the error in Jay’s diatribe:

Jay: Now, maybe it’s unfair to focus on Bush’s last four years. Maybe we should look at his presidency as a whole: What was the average annual growth rate of real GDP from 2001 to 2008?

What Jay did wrong was he didn’t cherry pick parts of Bush’s presidency that reflected a rise in GDP (such as those years when they were giving away “extra” money with the tax returns and begging people to shop till they dropped).

Jay used FACTS to make his argument. What kinda guy would do that? I mean seriously…..F-A-C-T-S…to make a point? Everyone knows that in order to make a point one must use magic jelly beans that we get from the man that we sold our cow to.

Methinks Jay has gone over to the “Dark Side” and is actually one of those uber-excitable uber-arrogant uber-ridiculous, FACTS people. When you see him walking down the street, make sure you pull your cross out of your pockets and denounce him with it.

It’s the only way to cure him from his use of FACTS.

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awwwww man, I’m getting moderated and I didn’t call anyone names…

damn you Jay and your liberal bias…

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Libertarian

October 27th, 2011
3:49 pm

May be because christmas is coming up, and most summer vacations recently ended, and thus people are not in as much of a savings mode.

But watch people will say it is one or the others fault, or accomplishment.

Eventhough no legislation has passed that would have cause this or for it to take a negative turn either.

Maybe the best thing all in Washington can do is to do nothing?

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Whaddya’ expect from a Harvard grad -

Just shows what happens when theory meets reality?

Logical Dude

“Can you break it down by year? That 2007-2008 crash (downturn? recession? slump?) may skew a few things for the time frame of which you speak”

So we can exempt the first two years of Pres Obama’s time, correct?

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AmVet

October 27th, 2011
3:51 pm

What do you want to talk about now?

Yes it was a serious comment. I didn’t think ole GWB was a good president. I was under the impression from Jay’s articles that he also felt that way. Do you disagree?

i fear you missed the entire point of my post, which Jay got i think judging from his reply.

Or do you think that Presidents have that much of an effect on the economy?

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HI Jay,
(for your point number two @ 3:52) )My example of 2000-2010 was different timeframe than your blog, but it’s a timeframe I’ve seen many times before. It wasn’t supposed to directly relate to your timeframe.

(for point 3) But yes, the 2000-2004 GDP growth is also a good indication of recent groupings of 4 year growth rates. the 2.5 quarterly is okay as long as it continues (okay meaning “okay, but not great”). This year’s annualized will be lower than that unless Q4 is just cooking with activity.

(for point 1) But you didn’t mention it at all in your blog post above?

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2.5% is better than the anemic rates that have plagued the country so far under Obama’s tenure, but a far cry from the 4% plus he relies on to make his all his plans work out and fully funded.

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GORDON

Why not? It puts it in perspective. And which president since FDR had to deal with economic meltdown? As you say, come on…

And I agree with you and Jay “,,,that presidents tend to get too much credit and too much blame.”
But, then, they did try out for head cheerleader and were picked…

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Libertarian: Perhaps neither side is responsible?

Correct. But also can we then admit that Obama is not actively destroying the economy? I can’t seem to get that admission from anyone.

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Logical Dude

I’ve found it simple to use the Rule of Thumb: “Happens on your watch, you get the credit, or the hit.”

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“while the tool thieves introduce 44 abortion bills & 0 jobs bills and screech persunull respons-uh-billity”

You should have been around earlier today, you might have learned something new. Jobs bills passed by the House and refused to be taken up in the Senate. Free your mind, Don’t tow the line!

The Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act
H.R. 872 – Senate has taken no action to date

The Energy Tax Prevention Act
H.R. 910 – Senate has taken no action to date

Disapproval of FCC’s Net Neutrality Regulations
H.J.Res. 37 – Senate has taken no action to date

The Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act
H.R. 2018 – Senate has taken no action to date

Protecting Jobs From Government Interference Act
H.R. 2587 – Senate has taken no action to date

Transparency In Regulatory Analysis Of Impacts On The Nation
H.R. 2401 – Senate has taken no action to date

Cement Sector Regulatory Relief Act
H.R. 2681 – Senate has taken no action to date

EPA Regulatory Relief Act
H.R. 2250 – Senate has taken no action to date

Coal Residuals Reuse and Management Act
H.R. 2273 – Senate has taken no action to date

Veterans Opportunity to Work Act
H.R. 2433 – Senate has taken no action to date

Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act
H.R. 1230 – Senate has taken no action to date

Putting the Gulf of Mexico Back to Work Act
H.R. 1229 – Senate has taken no action to date

Reversing President Obama’s Offshore Moratorium Act
H.R. 1231 – Senate has taken no action to date

The Jobs and Energy Permitting Act of 2011
H.R. 2021 – Senate has taken no action to date

North American-Made Energy Security Act
H.R. 1938 – Senate has taken no action to date

H.Con.Res. 34

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generation

Oh, I agree…blaming the quarterback for the loss makes as much sense as blaming the head cheerleader…other than me not knowing sh*t about economics, that’s one of the reasons I tend to stay clear of these threads. I can only go by my own experience and I’m doing as well now as I was under Bush and Carter…

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“such as those years when they were giving away “extra” money with the tax returns and begging people to shop till they dropped”

Sounds an awful lot like a “stimulus”, doesn’t it? Oh wait….GWB was in office, so it was a extra money giveaway…my bad.

As far as “begging people to shop till they drop”, isn’t that an awful lot like “don’t cut the govt budget, the govt spending stimulates the economy” argument?

The double standards you people parrot are amazing.

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Zedd: And like I said before, any bill passed that is all about deregulation, tax cuts, or both is NOT a jobs bill. It’s just what Republicans THINK might one day if we pray hard enough create the environment for some other company somewhere else to maybe someday hopefully if we’re lucky create a job.

i.e., NOT job creation bills.

BONUS: No need to reverse a moratorium that hasn’t been in effect for over a year now.

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Jay, the POTUS is a lot more than an oarsman in a raft. He sets the tone, the goals; he champions the causes, etc. America rejected Obama’s causes last November, but he and the Left ignore that historical event like it didn’t happen. The Recovery policies failed, many not much more than political paybacks, but Obama knows nothing but to double down. No, the recovery would be quicker and better if Barry was AWOL. Instead, Obama marches on destroying the Democratic party and dividing America just so he might get reelected.

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Zedd, my man, there is no free-er mind in Georgia. Come sit under da palm tree (I’m buyin) and let me tell you about the words “craven” & “cynical”

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Cut me another slice of peace and prosperity.

Give me a Dow at 18,000 and no wars.

You know, the Clinton economy, where they give away cars to come to work instead of giving away jobs to make the 1 % richer.

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Armed liberal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj_9CiNkkn4&ob=av2e

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Democrats criticizing republican plans for job creation is like the designer of the Titanic giving lessons on hull construction.

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josef

October 27th, 2011
4:09 pm

That will be the sentiment of many at the polls as well, if the unemployment numbers do not change drastically, and teh housing market improves as rapidly.

Regardless of GDP growth and or any other indicating economic factors

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Well Jay…That is a fair question. Unfortunately I rate the Bush presidency about as high as you do. I try to forget he was a republican.

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Jay, the POTUS is a lot more than an oarsman in a raft. He sets the tone, the goals; he champions the causes, etc.

So, when unemployment nearly doubled from 5% to almost 10% from Jan 2008 to Jan 2009, it’s Bush’s fault?

Is that what you’re trying to say?

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“business-hating Marxist” – Where’s everyone that was saying yesterday that it’s only the GOP that says this?

It’s funny to read both Jay and Kyle’s column on the same subject. Each one spins it their own way, trying to make their ideology look like the correct one.

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How many jobs did w lose and say he never saw it coming?

I would say w crashed that raft against a rock and it broke into tiny pieces and then handed them to our President.

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JB,

Prepare yourself for a very long period of high unemployment if you like 2.5% GDP growth.

There’s an economics rule of thumb called Okun’s Law. It basically says that it takes 1% above trend line growth in GDP for a full year to bring down unemployment by half a percent. The faster our economy grows above trend line growth, the faster unemployment comes down.

Trend line growth for the US economy is somewhere around 2.5%. Unemployment barely moves when our economy grows at that rate.

As with all economics rules of thumb, Okun’s Law isn’t perfect, but it helps explain why most economists think unemployment will still be somewhere around 9% a year from now.

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I’m glad we have 2.5% growth

But if we r going to bring politics into this, Obama has a lot more work to do (if that’s the metric)

Jay, what is obama’s growth rate thus far?

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Adam, take pity on poor Zedd. He posted four times on another AJC blog that ACORN was helping OWS. Or so says FOX. Ignoring, of course, that ACORN went out of business months ago.

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“Why a 2.5 percent growth rate might be better than you think”

Why?? Because there is a Democrat in the white house and you must do everything possible to make him look better than the pathetic failure he’s been…

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Democrats are destroying the deficit super committee

Shame on them

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The thing about 2.5% is that although it seems low, it’s a sustainable level of growth for an economy. 4%, although wonderful in theory, can’t be sustained without it becoming excessively inflationary (inflationary enough for the Fed to clamp down on it).

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Jay is once against banging away at his propagandist keyboard. He is telling people that what they see with their own eyes and the financial pressures they are feeling everyday are not as bad as they think. His comparison to Bush is a sad attempt at diverting from the truth of the failure of Obama. Bush was nothing more than a economic socialist himself but during his time the misery index was at least contained a little. A more realistic comparison would be to compare Obama’s record to say, Jimmy Carter’s, as their presidencies are pretty much a mirror image of each other.

Digressing, Obama’s Student Loan deal is the slickest proposed Ponzi I have seen in a while. It appears to somehow absolve students from having to pay back all of the money they have borrowed (for pretty much worthless degrees) but what it really does is it saddles them later on (if they every find a job) with having to pay higher and higher taxes for the deficit it will create. And the Universities will just keep upping their tuition because they know that they will have access to even more guaranteed government money. Of course todays youth (and many here) are probably dumb enough to fall for it because all that matters to them is the “now”.

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Yeah Byte Me, like I said over there……if you’d actually read the column and opted for a civil discussion instead of resorting to insults, you’d have seen that they are former ACORN employees working under a different name out the same offices. ‘Cause that makes it all better right?

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Jay, perhaps I misunderstood your comments. I took the oarsman in a whitewater raft to mean while the oarsman can make a difference there are forces greater than he can control. I expect you will agree.

My point is, yes, there are forces greater than what Obama can control. However, his recovery policies have failed while driving us much deeper in debt. His total agenda was rejected last November.

You and fellow Democratic loyalists hold on to hope that has not and will not materialize while Obama divides the Nation in his attempts to gain reelection.

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con comments are like watching fox news.

I read a couple of lines then change the channel.

That Secret Service agent was right.

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Byteme

Economy can grow at 4% and not be inflationary, though most consider it about the max

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“Jay needs to go the way of Cynthia Tucker . . . out the AJC door!”

You are proud of that?

Well, a UGA gig is a pretty good and safe job.

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Jay 4:45
Yes, but I don’t think they should have to agree to $1 Trillion worth of rate hikes with dubious spending cuts (the BS war accounting)

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Paul, thanks for that link.

The descriptions of the flight line brought back lots and lots of memories.

For me, it was the one place that I really loved. Often fast paced and dangerous.

Two that stand out – being stationed at MacDill in Tampa and absolutely roasting while working out on the tarmac on summer afternoons. And also very long, lonely nights out on the flight line trying not to freeze to death in the English winter at RAF Bent-waters. (Silly AND evil censor-bot.)

And I’d agree with that Tech Sgt. No regrets.

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Proud to be…

“Jay needs to go the way of Cynthia Tucker . . . out the AJC door!”

But, then where would you go to kvetch? Hyde Park…? What are you doing here to begin with? And no, I’m no big fan of Sister Cynthia and don’t always agree with the Bruin…but, d*mn, it’s nice to have a front porch to sit around on and chew the fat…you’re just an ingrate, imo

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Jm,

You wrote:@ 4:38

Okuns law is silly
Productivity is the driver
Employment will improve as productivity (i believe) has already started flattening

But yes, more growth is better and helps

Here are the labor productivity numbers for the past couple of years:

2006: 0.9%
2007: 1.5%
2008: 0.7%
2009: 2.4%
2010: 4.1%
2011: -1.4% (Q1). -0.5% (Q2)

Here are the unemployment numbers for December of each of those years:

2006: 4.4%
2007: 5.0%
2008: 7.3%
2009: 9.9%
2010: 9.4%
2011 (September): 9.1%

Flattening productivity in 2008 sure didn’t do much for the unemployment rate. Okun’s Law isn’t perfect, but growing our economy back to the point that we’re producing more stuff and hiring more workers is the key to bringing down the unemployment rate.

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http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1011/houston_fundraiser_drama_6cccc297-f2cd-4cc6-a869-28e72d10b851.html

Ah yes. An ex-ENRON employee. That is certainly a person the First Lady should be dining with but the Obama’s are for sale to the highest donor. But what is great about this is it is the same thing that the Jerry Brown (you know, of the liberal fame) is trying to do in California which is to convert these guaranteed government pensions to 401K’s which will be totally dependent upon what happens on Wall Street. Now Obama is all for the Occupy Wall Street people yet his wife is attending a fundraiser for her husband with a person who is for getting rid of the cushy guaranteed government pensions and replacing them with 401K’s AND who worked for one of the most notoriously corrupt companies this country has ever known. Nah, the Obama’s aren’t for sale, are they?

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I know Stonethrower .

I think it other countries if their corrupt congress is polling at 9% they have a choice to dissolve it.

Not a bad idea.

Like if the default, they lose their jobs and benefits.

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Jay 5:01
U just created an incentive for us to be at war forever

If holding war spending constant isn’t incremental spending, goody neocons will be thrilled, we can be at war forever…..

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Kamchak – there are a lot of things about W’s presidency that I don’t like. I do believe he gets unjustified criticism on the economy. You seldom read where people take into consideration the effects of 9/11 on the economy. On the otherhand, my opinion is, Obama’s policies have hurt more than helped while driving us deeper in debt, plus they are/have delayed the recovery. His rhetoric is unpresidential and divides the Nation.

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Anybody else notice that the stimulus failed miserably? Just making sure that is on the table. No, news from early 2010 will not change that fact.

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I wouldn’t mind seeing Herman Cain elected POTUS, I think he would be a fine choice for our First Black President.

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Dow closes up 339……..and watch it fall again when the EU realizes collecting those taxes won’t be as easy in real life as it is on paper……

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Poor pat. Ignorance is bliss.

But his hateful denigration of decent, middle class Americans as fleas, is to me, particularly repulsive…

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@JohnnyReb — you said speaking of Jay, “… he is honest, sincere, and puts up with people like you most often without losing his temper”. Child please, Jay tends to get a lil fiesty with us conservatives from time to time. The only time he’s in a good mood is when he logs his final blog on Friday and he’s headed out for the weekend for his music and spirits.

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Jay that was an artificial bubble caused by the stimulus. It did nothing for sustainable growth. Once the stimulus ran out, so did the growth. If it worked, that wouldn’t have happened. People are slowing starting to realize that the recession never ended. It just had a badly constructed band-aid covering the wound.
If the stimulus worked, the effects would not have ended in 2010. Sustained growth would have continued and the economy would be recovering. It didn’t and it isn’t.
If anything the stimulus prolonged the damn recession. When businesses get free money, they lose the incentive to earn it until the well dries up. So they don’t try until that have to.

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Poor Amvet, he thinks this is what economic success looks like.

If this is success, I’d hate to see failure.

Your man failed you, man up and admit it. It’s f#$ obvious….

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must these asinine in jest “it’s obama’s fault” comments keep being submitted…or can we just designate some sort of icon that represents such inane snark to save the commenters the time and trouble of having to type it out verbatim every new blog topic…they were just as witty when applied by blinded Bush apologists ad nauseum.

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Kamchak – you have every right to criticize W and he deserves some of it. However, he was not a divider as is Obama. And yes, Obama inherietied a mess, but I just don’t agree what he has done to right the ship is responsible for the recovery we do have. He has pushed costly agenda items while we go bankrupt.

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If only the unemployment rate would drop to 2.8%… Paul Ryan could be a hero instead of a zero.

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Marie – yes, Jay gets fiesty sometimes and has with me. However, I refer back to josef’s post. This blog provides a good place to compare opinons and Jay runs it well. It’s difficult to argue with its success – even though most posters has their politics all wrong (sorry, I couldn’t resist).

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Kam, please if you going to mention my name, at least tell me what I think, OK?

Too funny…

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You can’t tell the sucess of a stimulus while the actual stimulus dollars are directly affecting the economy. It’s after the stimulus passes is when you tell. Is there sustainable growth from it? No. Did the economy recover? No it did not.

If you want to play dumb to prop up stupidity as success, go ahead, but don’t expect people to buy lies.

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And the growth rate for the Obama presidency is? BTW is the third quarter growth rate adjusted for inflation? I thought so.

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Steady between 4 and 6%. Well, what’s a few million jobs amongst friends anyway.

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“Well, what’s a few million jobs amongst friends anyway.”

Well……if one wants to get snarky, probably a few million less than 9%……..

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November 2, 2012

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Jay 5:12 glad we agree on war

Re revenue increases. Republicans will agree to tax increases to balance budget if they feel ok about current and future spending

See Mitch Daniels, Greenspan, etc

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http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=OW56Z-0xwIQ&vg=medium

Ah …………………………………………………..

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Jay,

“Gordon, in terms of economic impact, 9/11 was barely a pimple on a gnat’s rear end compared to the Great Recession.”

And what’s coming will make the Great Recession look like a pimple on a gnat’s rear end if we don’t get our spending under control. Obama has been horrible in showing leadership in this area. As I said in my first post, this is where I find fault with him and many others. The anemic growth we saw last quarter will be swept aside when the dynamite we are playing with finally blows up in our face.

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Smart Power::

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2097973,00.html

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Re revenue increases. Republicans will agree to tax increases to balance budget if they feel ok about current and future spending

Surrrre, they will. After they get all the entitlement whacking they want, it’ll be “Let’s hold off on any tax increases till we see how this works.” Jm suffers from the delusion that Democrats are as disingenous as he. He knows it’s a flat-out lie, but that’s his story and he’s sticking to it.

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Kamchak – Cheney’s remarks are small potatoes. They fade in comparison to Obama’s wealth envy rhetoric. Obama truly is a community organizer who believes progress can be obtained through destruction. He’s doing a good job at it. Look at the division in this blog. Look at the OWS groups whose statements are ridiculous. You can’t win by tearing down others, especially when the “others” in this case hold most of the marbles.

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Kam, please if you going to mention my name, at least tell me what I think, OK?

Again, as I recall, you don’t hold the current POTUS in too high regards, and it’s pretty obvious by this comment…

pat

Your man failed you, man up and admit it. It’s f#$ obvious….

…that people don’t read and/or believe what you say.

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Kamchak – to borrow from others remarks, I get really skeptical when a book written against a Republican is overly endorsed by academics.

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Cheney’s remarks are small potatoes. They fade in comparison to Obama’s wealth envy rhetoric.

So we go from Bush isn’t a divider to that’s just small potatoes.

You’ve got that goalpost mounted on Pedregon’s Funny Car.

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Bush lied, soldiers died!

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Kamchak – to borrow from others remarks, I get really skeptical when a book written against a Republican is overly endorsed by academics.

You would actually have a point if I had referenced such a book.

But since I didn’t, I think you don’t really have a leg to stand on.

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josef:

“Yankees ………… Yankees in Atlanta ! Well, who let ‘em in ?”

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I got your deal right here.

Recover the 15 million jobs w lost, then we cut.

No jobs no cuts.

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There is pretty clear evidence that if Republicans take control of Congress and the White House, there will be a push for some type of flat tax. The exception might be if Romney becomes POTUS. Romney is really close to being a RINO, which hopefully will keep him from gaining the nomination. I am not concerned of a flat tax increasing income taxes on the 47 to 50% who pay none. Everyone should pay some federal income tax. Otherwise, they won’t appreciate our situation.

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Dagmar…

“Bush lied, soldiers died!”

And the flag draped boxes are still coming back…the point is?

Okay, Scout,,,just doing my EOI duties here, but didn’t you vote for the Party of Diocletian of the Potomac?

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“No jobs no cuts.”

Or is it……no cuts no jobs…….hmmm.

14 trillion is a big number if folks weren’t aware of that little factoid.

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Headline: “U.S. railroad workers charged in $1 billion fraud”

ALL ABOARD !!!

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The claim that George Walker Bush was not a divider is so absurd that entire books, replete with irrefutable facts, have been written about the subject.

I’m sure that this one is in there somewhere.

George W. Bush’s very first official act as President was to block the funding of family planning organizations. Bush’s first executive order, issued on the 28th Anniversary of the Roe vs. Wade decision, prohibits the funding of family planning organizations overseas if those organizations use their own privately raised funds to lobby their own governments in favor of less restrictive abortion laws. Although Bush justified his order by saying that “taxpayer funds should not be used to pay for abortions,” taxpayer funds were not in fact being used for those purposes, since that’s been illegal since 1975. The executive order places a gag on family planning organizations worldwide, keeping them from simply discussing abortion issues if they want badly needed U.S. funds.

In the United States, almost 80% of Americans support a woman’s right to choose to have an abortion even when her life or health is not threatened. Yet Bush’s first official act keeps federally-funded family planning organizations from stating their support for such abortion rights.

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Sorry Kamchak, that was AmVet who posted the link to the book on W being a divider. My sincere apologies on that.

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AmVet – can’t agrfee with your post on Bush blocking federal funding for abortions being a divider, especially when compared to Obama’s current rants.

Abortion funding is social policy similar to gay rights/marriage. I see that as a different political category as compared to Obama trying to divide the nation so he can be reelected.

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http://www.upi.com/News_Photos/Entertainment/Conservative-Celebrites/5289/1/

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Scout

I read it and do recommend it…not because I agree wholeheartedly with much of what he is saying, but because he has the temerity to bring up things that have been taboo by “major” historians…but, ssshhh, we might not want to be talking this here…it’ll get some of the orthodox conservatives panties in a wad, and I’m not sure I’m up to that tonight….I’m on something more “objective” along those lines on the other screen…

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One could, if one lived in Ga…..otherwise, those that don’t live there anymore might not care.

I had to step out for a few. Anyway, I live in Georgia, md, how ’bout you. And as for that little 14 trillion dollar “factoid” you mentioned, tell us all how much Paul Ryans plan will impact that number.

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“OCCUT*RD” ALERT:

Headline: “White House Press Secretary Carney Tells Occupy Protesters To “Act In A Lawful Manner”

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josef:

Here’s why I thought of it. These guys are suicidal !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHzwWndtvk

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Reb, did you see that 80% of Americans support abortion?

His very first move in office was to pander to his religious, far right wing base.

A divider. Not a uniter.

There are tons of other examples.

BTW, the author that book is not just some schmoe, no-name polemicist.

He is recognized as one of the premier scholars in the study of Congressional Campaigns and Election, publishing numerous books and articles on the subject. He is also a frequent commentator for news programs and radio commentary such as NPR.

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Jay
Oh yeah boehner too

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Clapton is God!

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“I had to step out for a few. Anyway, I live in Georgia, md, how ’bout you. And as for that little 14 trillion dollar “factoid” you mentioned, tell us all how much Paul Ryans plan will impact that number.”

Nope….no longer in Ga…..got tired of living a good part of my life in the car. Left for greener (quieter) pastures outside the boundaries of the lifelong home State……..

As for Ryan’s plan……don’t recall ever endorsing it…….I’m not the lockstep kind of guy.

I’ll consider everything, but tend to slide to the middle knowing more often than not no one side is totally correct. I’m all over the place depending on the issue…….even empathize with what some are doing in the ows movement…….but don’t think they stand a chance if folks like Michael Moore step up as their spokesperson……his rants are just nuts.

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AmVet – I believe you mean that 80% are pro choice, whch is big difference vs 80% being for abortion. Even those who would never have an abortion don’t like the government telling them they can’t.

Abortion is the life-long disagreement. I see it difficult for use in identifying Bush or Obama as dividers. I see Obama trying to divide Americans along lines of haves and have nots as well above the abortion debate, very destructive, and unpresidential.

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Reading these blogs every it occurs to me what would finally make the Fright Wing happy?

If we did away with all constitutional freedoms, if we eliminated all social programs, if we eliminated all oversight of the financial dealings, if we eliminated all environmental regulations, if we eliminated all taxes, if we eliminated all government, if we eliminated all laws.

What would it take?

An experiment coming close to that very thing took place at the beginning of the last decade. The result is the economy and society we have now.

A decade of theft, lies, deception, and erosion of the Constitution. A decade of illegal wars, a decade of diminished expectations for our Country, a decade of bankruptcy for our Country, and, most of all, a decade where hope has been removed from most people in this Country.

What will it take? A Fascist Totalitarian Fright-Wing dictatorship that “removes” unsavory (not rich) elements from society (never to be heard from again)? How about a police state that spies on your every action from the time you wake up in the morning to the time you got to bed at night?

What would it take? A society so devoted to war and hegemony that literally every tax dollar collected is spent on war?

What would finally make the Fright-Wing happy? Somebody please tell me.

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Jay I could keep this up all night with congressional R’s that have voted for tax increases

They may not like it but they will do it

Dogma is bad. Gotta go, DJ is blowin my speakers up

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Perot
Parents are eeeeeeeevil

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Soothsayer,

Here’s what it would take to make this right-winger happy.

Pay for our government. If attempted, you would be shocked at how high taxes would need to be for EVERYONE if we tried to keep what we have.

That’s it. Then our present might be less pleasant, but our children would have a future.

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“Reb, did you see that 80% of Americans support abortion?”

Like to see where they got those numbers, because a google search comes up with numbers nowhere near 80% without the qualifier of an endangered mom.

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Abort Jesus!

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Lib ilk alert!

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“I’m pro choice – decide before you have sex.”

Hear, hear…….says the guy that preaches choices……….

Abortion is the excuse, not the choice…………

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Dagmar, for all her “attributes,” reminded of something whose string had been pulled.

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But let’s not get on abortion……that’s a never ending circle…….but most topics around here are.

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“Some Belated Parental Advice to Protesters

Posted By Marybeth Hicks On October 19, 2011

Call it an occupational hazard but I can’t look at the Occupy Wall Street protesters without thinking, “Who parented these people?”

As a culture columnist, I’ve commented on the social and political ramifications of the “movement” – now known as “OWS” – whose fairyland agenda can be summarized by one of their placards: “Everything for everybody.”

Thanks to their pipe-dream platform, it’s clear there are people with serious designs on “transformational” change in America who are using the protesters like bedsprings in a brothel.

Yet it’s not my role as a commentator that prompts my parenting question but rather the fact that I’m the mother of four teens and young adults. There are some crucial life lessons that the protesters’ moms clearly have not passed along.

Here, then, are five things the OWS protesters’ mothers should have taught their children but obviously didn’t, so I will:

• Life isn’t fair. The concept of justice – that everyone should be treated fairly – is a worthy and worthwhile moral imperative on which our nation was founded. But justice and economic equality are not the same. Or, as Mick Jagger [2] said, “You can’t always get what you want.”

No matter how you try to “level the playing field,” some people have better luck, skills, talents or connections that land them in better places. Some seem to have all the advantages in life but squander them, others play the modest hand they’re dealt and make up the difference in hard work and perseverance and some find jobs on Wall Street and eventually buy houses in the Hamptons. Is it fair? Stupid question.

• Nothing is “free.” Protesting with signs that seek “free” college degrees and “free” health care make you look like idiots because colleges and hospitals don’t operate on rainbows and sunshine. There is no magic money machine to tap for your meandering educational careers and “slow paths” to adulthood and the 53 percent of taxpaying Americans owe you neither a degree nor an annual physical.

While I’m pointing out this obvious fact, here are a few other things that are not free: overtime for police officers and municipal workers, trash hauling, repairs to fixtures and property, condoms, Band-Aids and the food that inexplicably appears on the tables in your makeshift protest kitchens. Real people with real dollars are underwriting your civic temper tantrum.

• Your word is your bond. When you demonstrate to eliminate student loan debt, you are advocating precisely the lack of integrity you decry in others. Loans are made based on solemn promises to repay them. No one forces you to borrow money; you are free to choose educational pursuits that don’t require loans or to seek technical or vocational training that allows you to support yourself and your ongoing educational goals. Also, for the record, being a college student is not a state of victimization. It’s a privilege that billions of young people around the globe would die for – literally.

• A protest is not a party. On Saturday in New York, while making a mad dash from my cab to the door of my hotel to avoid you, I saw what isn’t evident in the newsreel footage of your demonstrations: Most of you are doing this only for attention and fun. Serious people in a sober pursuit of social and political change don’t dance jigs down Sixth Avenue like attendees of a Renaissance festival. You look foolish, you smell gross, you are clearly high and you don’t seem to realize that all around you are people who deem you irrelevant.

• There are reasons you haven’t found jobs. The truth? Your tattooed necks, gauged ears, facial piercings and dirty dreadlocks are off-putting. Nonconformity for the sake of nonconformity isn’t a virtue. Occupy reality: Only 4 percent of college graduates are out of work. If you are among that 4 percent, find a mirror and face the problem. It’s not them. It’s you.”

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Condoms are for cowards!

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Are abortions really that expensive that the government should have to provide dollars for services for them? If they’re funding abortions they should fund dui’s too, both poor choices!

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md:

I hear you. I believe in total reproductive rights also …………….. but after you have conceived you have already REPRODUCED !

The time for “choice” was before that before it involved another human being.

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md,

you did bring up the 14 trillion dollar debt so I thought you must have had a reason for doing so such as discussing the house’s plan, Ryan’s plan.

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Dagmar

You’re funny! Too bad looks aren’t everything…

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Yo, numbers, original content is appreciated.

Leave the c&p to Granny.

At least she gets paid by the DNC. She has no other marketable skills.

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Jm

Yeah, I’m with you on that…far be it for me to go telling somebody they can’t, but I’m satisfied with the plumbing I was born with…

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Scout
Great column

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I very seldom use the word, but Roe v Wade will never be overturned.

You ultra-reactionaries should save your ammo for fighting the Scopes Monkey Trial instead…

You need more voters…

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josef, there is rarely “all or nothing” situation…… most of life is nuanced and shades of gray. We agree…. but that just don’t fit on the bumper sticker too easy does it

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good fight
“Doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker…”

And that’s sad….

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According to a survey from the consulting firm Spectrem Group, sixty-eight percent of millionaires — defined as people with investments of $1 million or more — support raising taxes on people who earn $1 million or more in income, the Wall Street Journal reports.

Darn it!!! You mean it’s not just a Warren Buffett thingie. Republicans just keep on striking out on every single issue. No wonder they fall back on attacking gay rights and abortions and supporting guns everwhere except around them and declaring Muslims to be terrorists and trying to eliminate freedom of speech and such. That’s their core. The social issues supported by the party faithful. It’s all they’ve got.

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When you abandone your miitary training and discipline and appear with individuals or groups who advocate vilolence, disobey he law and city ordinances, provoke police confrontations and vilolate other’s rights ………… you sometime pay the consequences.

I saw it all the time on Okinawa (as a member of the shore patrol) and at Camp LeJeune (as a military policeman).

In he military is called the “10%” who never seem to get the word or get with the program.

He should have known better than to have been there.

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Hmmmm Scout was not so concerned about the law earlier today….or on many other days. And do tell, its against the law to exercise your constitutional right to free speech and assembly? Thankfully many other people and vets believe that it is offensive that the police overreacted and attacked with brutal force. I bet the military did not teach you to lie like that Scout.

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Am vet
That movie is probably my favorite of all time
Spencer Tracey is awesome in it and so much great symbolism, all the way to the end

I pull a line or two from there on occasion, including one I apply to jay: the job of journalists is to “comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable”

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When you abandone your miitary training and discipline and appear with individuals or groups who advocate vilolence, disobey he law and city ordinances, provoke police confrontations and vilolate other’s rights ………… you sometime pay the consequences.

So, I assume you have evidence supporting that contention that the war veterans at the occupy rallies are indeed law breakers or that they have abandoned anything at all except perhaps you. Uh huh. You are not really a veteran, are you, scout.

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The proposed Republican spending cuts are absurdly tiny.

The scenario is this – the Boehner household spends over $20,000 more than they take in every year.

And his proposed spending cuts?

$458 per year.

At least Panetta is trying to get passed a non-laughable (albeit still way too small IMO) decrease in the bloated, hyper-corrupted and wasteful Pentagon budget…

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Taxpayer…and he certainly has informed us a number of times of “rubber hose” type interrogations techniques or other unlawful acts…nudge, nudge…. why there was even his “joke” about firing everyone in a company whose car had an Obama bumper sticker. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

But then protestors that he does not like… Mr. Law and Order…. even if those laws and orders may not be lawful or constitutional.

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Nice that the Oakland Police “removed” a purported health hazard by injuring and attacking non-violent protestors….. “Your kitchen does not meet code, flashbang to the head”.

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Focusing on Bush. Luckovich did the same thing in his cartoon I just saw.

Pathetic.

As everyone knows the GDP numbers for Obama, just as the employment figures, just as consumer spending, and just as the economic forecasts, these numbers will be revised downward. Inflation will continue to increase, cutting into the size and increase of GDP in real numbers, fuel prices will continue to rise, healthcare costs, food, and any number of costs related to living here, including ironically, college.

Why was Wall Street so happy today? Because the EU decided to print money to keep the Wall Streeters happy. That’s it! This is not an economic recovery. This is a campaign to try and salvage the unending bus-campaign of one Barack Obama by “reassuring” the American public that everything is not nearly as bad as their own lives, their own job prospects and their own friends and families tell them it is.

Oughtn’t we look at the states where economic activity is tangibly and actually growing? Texas and other energy producing states?

No, this is just for you, Barry, and your increasingly desperate campaign.

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Don’t be misled by Jay. A 2.5% GDP growth rate with a base unemployment rate of over 9% (really much higher when factoring in lower work force participation rate), this long into a supposed recovery — is far worse than 1.85% GDP growth when the unemployment rate is 4% (with much higher workforce participation rate) ) at the end of an historically high economic growth cycle. The only thing good that can be said about the 2.5% reading is that so many feared we were in another recession. A 2.5% rate shows we aren’t. Of course, the 2.5% is the initial reading. It will be revised a couple of times over the next 2 months. The fact that new initial unemployment claims are still above the 400,000 per week range shows that the economy is not even remotely close to performing well.

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Gentlemen, my only reason for asking the ex-marine that question was for him to publicly state his opinion.

And though I find his answer particularly loathsome and exceptionally un-Christianlike, I support his right to state it.

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Dagmar

Aw, why…don’t want the competition in drive-by half-witticisms?

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“from the bottom of my heart, I say, kiss my ass!”.

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And though I find his answer particularly loathsome and exceptionally un-Christianlike, I support his right to state it.

And I support my right to challenge his comments.

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getalife

A petunian by any other name? How many does that Friday t*rd at a Saturday market have, anyway?

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Jay @ 735,

Altering your viewpoint?

I must point out you know absolutely nothing about doing this, Jay. Your insistence on revenue increases is the case in point. There isn’t enough revenue to be generated to spend the way Washington and its out-of-control gaping maw of entitlement-spending. The whole idea that those who can not provide for themselves can successfully choose someone to do for them is being disproven every single day before our eyes.

The whole purpose of the tea party is the alteration of viewpoint based on this single and undeniable understanding of reality.

You “merry skunks”, like Luckavich prefer to cavort with past opinions, proven mediocre and unavailing, like Bush doing this or that, which Obama later had to fix–”this mess we’re in”.

I dare say that you don’t even waver from the President’s own point of view but swallow the whole shebang, hook, line and sinker. We can tell this because you don’t dare ever criticize HIM.

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Josef,

Do you mind if I call you JoJo? I apologize for being obtuse. My body done gone haywire. I’m ovulating and lactating……

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ooops….that @ 7:48 was supposed to be to good fight..

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“Why a 2.5 percent growth rate might be better than it stinks.”

Well it’s better than what we’ve seen this year but it still stinks. The progs (socialist progressives) are trying to pass this puny report off as great news. The problem is after close to 3 years in office the Obama economic policies have not been successful. Americans want and expect much better.

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dagmar

Matters little what you call me…and your bilogical peculiarities, intriguing though they may be and certainly something you should have checked out, sound like a personal problem to me…

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The Bush rednecks cannot defend their man’s record. The result is they call liberals like Buffett, Jobs, and ALL the other top capitalists “socialists”.

It really is tiring – rednecks.

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Jay 7:49
I don’t think we have a board of expert vote counters here….. But go ahead jay…. Pose a silly question to your jay-friendly audience

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F&F I’d say some are. But not all or majority.

Jay, see how that works?

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Anybody else here believe that the Republicans are ready to raise taxes as part of a deficit-reduction deal?

Anybody?

Sorry. I was too busy laughing at the very thought that Republicans would so much as suggest that taxes be rai… rai… rais…ed to even type. They can’t even say the words, “raise taxes”.

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The great FA Hayek (The Road to Serfdom) hated conservatives – as did Ayn Rand.

Recon – do you rednecks call them “socialists” too?

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Good news. the Injured vet has just awoken!

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Numb Acorns, just a general reference but you know who you are. Taxes could be raised on everyone in America earning in excess of 250K and it wouldn’t fund our government for six months. Get your heads out from where the sun never shines.

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Taxpayer,

GDP figures do count government expenditures as a positive in some formulas and not in others. It used to be that the old GNP counted government against.

From Wiki:
Example: the expenditure method:

GDP = private consumption + gross investment + government spending + (exports − imports), or

Yet another formula for GDP by the income method is:[citation needed]

GDP = R + I + P + SA + W
where R : rents
I : interests
P : profits
SA : statistical adjustments (corporate income taxes, dividends, undistributed corporate profits)
W : wages
Note the mnemonic, “ripsaw”.

Also: GNP at factor cost = GDP at market price – depreciation + NFIA (net factor income from abroad) – net indirect taxes

That GDP is rising may very well be a totally engineered factor designed to prevent the Obama campaign from cracking up entirely. I, for one, ask around, and I do not see anywhere here in Atlanta, signs that the economy is growing. Far from it.

I’d be willing to bet my awful job that the government today is cherry-picking its numbers and giving them to a lap-dog media, which eats them up without question. And we all know that if a Republican were in the White House, the OWS protesters would be OWH protesters.

Because Democrats aren’t willing to change their viewpoint, but would rather change reality.

So far, only Kim Jong Il, Hugo Chavez, Achmei’magonnajihad and Fidel Castro are the only ones so “successfully” changing reality.

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It seems like just yesterday that Jm was telling me that there would be NO Growth..oh wait, it was just yesterday…

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Deep 8:09 I was waiting for that

Not enough growth to fix unemployment silly. I didn’t say 0% GDP growth

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That is good news Keep.

The radical gop don’t compromise on taxes jm.

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I do not understand why you liberals here in Georgia are fighting so hard for Obama? Georgia will be voting 16-0 next year for the Republican Nominee. Your votes will not be counted or even recognized. Unless you want to go to the polls to vote for local matters then it is not even worth voting. Obama knows he will not carry this state and will only give token campaigning in the state (enough to get all of you to give your money to him).

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Recon – insults are all conservatives have. Buffett a “socialist”? The founders of Google too? Bill Gates a “socialist”?

Many bright successful people just hate conservatives for good reason. Look at your pathetic candidates for one example.

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Yaker….. you forgot the alleged…. they have not been convicted and they do have the right to trial.

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Baloney Jay,

In other circumstances I would say that coming from a man whose chosen party to support has not passed a budget in three years utterly hilarious. It’s just painfully pathetic of you.

These “cuts” are over the next decade–and let’s not forget the already exploding cost of the new healthcare law.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/21/us-usa-healthcare-massachusetts-idUSTRE79K6SD20111021

The tax increases take place immediately. We’ve seen all this before, I’m afraid, and the Washington way of enacting tax increases with the teeth of law and then promising to deliver spending cuts down the road is a non-starter. It’s the old shell game. Trust me, and we can work “together”. Meanwhile, government pulls out its pockets and claims the victim when “savings” never materialize.

What Democrats want is a sucker for a partner to say yes.

The Republicans want to cut spending right now, and you can’t find a Democrat not wanting to kick the can down the road.

If the President and Democrats are so willing to “work” with Republicans on Democrat ideas that are good and wonderful, why won’t one Democrat go on record as voting for the President’s budget?

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Keep,

They’ve already plead guilty.

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if taking income from all of those earning in excess of 250K wouldn’t solve our economic problems, simply raising taxes on them certainly wouldn’t have any measurable effect.

Hmmmm if A then B follows? Except that B has no facts for its conclusion. If we currently collect taxes to pay 9 months of the current budget (a number picked for discussion purposes only, not based on current budget) then collecting 15 months worth of taxes that cover 12 months worth of expenditures with 3 months left over means that there is no addition to the deficit than month and the deficit is reduced. Do this enough times and, wow, you pay off the deficit.

Logic does ellude the Del.

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Jay,

Besides: there’s Boehner. There’s at least a crack in the ice for compromise.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2798886/posts

Doubt you’ll find any with Pelosi.

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Well then yaker, it seems that the law is going to punish those who have violated it.

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Jay,

I think it’s past your bedtime when you start swearing.

The article does say costs are rising, and the people in Mass. are getting upset.

That’s all I wanted to point out, really.

But, if you want, here’s more “damn” information:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/9188-obamacare-causes-health-insurance-premiums-to-rise

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typos ruin a somewhat witty retort again.

A minor distraction. I caught your intent and liked it. They should carry signs proclaiming their corporate and private sponsorships with them everywhere. It helps keep their comments in proper perspective easier.

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Bozo’s student loan plan debacle….. more on how we ought to spend our tax dollars. And this clown wants more tax dollars to spend on his misdirected programs. Shortened the pay back to 20yrs instead of 25. Limits the payback to only 10% of income. So if a person is making 50K/yr, his payback is limited to 5K/yr. Over 20 years, that’s 100K. If he has student loans of over 100K, who is stuck with the balance? The American taxpayer…… Cash for Clunkers, Student Loan Programs, 37B jobs programs that last only a year, Solyndra, Fast and Furious…. the beat goes on.

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Jay 8:19…… Votes….. Yeah they proposed that in conjunction with $1T in new taxes

I wonder if Dems would vote yes if R’s proposed $10T in cuts with $1T in revs. I think the answer is no

And don’t bring up the debate question, irrelevant

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What’re the chances that Democrat-sponsored “savings” will materialize over the next decade?

0.0 %.

And you all know it.

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“Hmmmm if A then B follows? Except that B has no facts for its conclusion. If we currently collect taxes to pay 9 months of the current budget (a number picked for discussion purposes only, not based on current budget) then collecting 15 months worth of taxes that cover 12 months worth of expenditures with 3 months left over means that there is no addition to the deficit than month and the deficit is reduced. Do this enough times and, wow, you pay off the deficit.”

“Logic does ellude the Del.”

Do you honestly believe you’ve made a cogent argument? If so you’re beyond help.

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If you’re sincere, propose that the tax increases occur at the same time as the spending cuts. And stop acting as though your proposals are so superior that we should all trust that the Republicans will come through with the tax increases at some later date. Most of us know that isn’t true.

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and yet Del rather than prove your point, you only insult because you have nothing but insults.

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or how about evolution or climate change? haha

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f,

ilk you.

No.

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Right on, betty.

This country is trying to recover from a Marxist in the White House and idiots want to debate BS.

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Sinkwich,

Palin is always a hot dem topic as well.

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You’re right, Betty. Palin is..er, hot, er topic….

The lib ilk loves her as well!

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Recon 8:54 indeed……….

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How’s that ClimateGate thingie working out. Did the outraged Republicans ever get the goods on those scientists that they accused of wrong-doing. Anything. Anything at all.

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Deep Mouth (that sounds like something out of the 60’s) and the other pathetic bolsheviks have retired to their communes for the evening.

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“What is Marxist about our President’s actions?”

Ahhhh, nationalizing GM?

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Getalife 9:05
Don’t know about Marxist. But we are anarchist and Obama supports us.

Down with banks! Down with capitalism!

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Is SayRah going to change her mind and run after all. If so, she needs to hurry up and get in on the debates. Oh Goody. I loves me my reality teevee show. Who’s she gonna replace on the island. MaryAnn or Ginger or maybe Lovey.

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My mistake, it’s Deep South Outlaw not Deep Mouth. Same thing though, should be outlawed.

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Reekon you couldn’t fight your way out of a paper bag!

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I wants my free car now. F Sinkwich says we has government motors. I’ll take one of those Volts especially sine the cons badmouth them so much. That means they have to be good.

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that would have been hilarious had Edwards beat out Obama and Hillary like so many on here wanted

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Kerry/Edwards against McCain/Palin would have been a match of equals.

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moonbat.

question:

Are you Dagmar Bigtats?

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Cons make the best cross dressers….

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“Are you Dagmar Bigtats?”

I don’t think so, moonbat is too cool. I think it may very well may be “Deep Mouth”. Or excuse me, Deep South.

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“ilk spewing minions.”

Lots of insults tonight.

Pressure getting to ya?

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I don’t know about the GOP scorching the earth but the Obummer administration is sure as hell scorching America.

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I am confused….. minions are spewing ilk?

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Recon is the veritable turd in the punchbowl!

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ilk, it does a body good.

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getalife, like all lib ilks, has an inferiority complex. That is, anyone whom he perceives has a better life than he does, which is pretty much anyone with a pulse, is an object of his envy.

As a consequence, get feels he needs the government to take stuff away from those whom he perceives to have more than he does and give it to him.

That makes him feel more like a real man.

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Reek and Scout are the original don’t ask don’t yelp comrades in arms……

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“no way in hades is it in the same laughable league as McCain and Barbie…”

AmVet, except neither of them is heading toward prison.

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Sinkwich,

Last time you felt like a real man you were nuzzling’ your momma’s teat…..

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Taxpayer….an ilk stache,

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“:lol: Do try again Reconned….. you have failed! I don’t change names like you right wingnuts.”

“Reek and Scout are the original don’t ask don’t yelp comrades in arms……”

These posts are only within a few minutes of each other. Yes it’s clear that the former is indeed Deep Mouth, and very likely a cross dresser.

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Moon bat,

If God wanted to help you, she wouldn’t have stuck that mug on your frame.

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“(There’s a vulgar joke in there somewhere!)”

AmVet…LOL

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While I don’t like their methods, I have nothing against the ‘Occupiers’. I think every American is tired of this mess. We should all ‘Occupy the Voting Booth’ and vote out every pol, Dem And Rep, and replace them with someone else. And tell them they better get busy or the same thing will happen to them. We are mad as hell and…………

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The obvious flaws in our host’s implication are (1) that business can be damaged by Congressional actions, and business can be damaged by Executive actions, and (2) business, like an aircraft carrier, does not turn on a dime once it is stopped by hostile forces.

As our host is a cultist, he provides an unsupported suggestion that personalities control the business environment, rather than citing actual actions that might constitute causation.

A rational analysis would cite particular actions during the Bush administration that unquestionably damage the business environment, such as:
(1) raising the minimum wage (2006, effect showed up in employment six months later),
(2) the pile of environmental regulations adopted in the last month of the Clinton administration (showed up as a mild but persistent recession in 2001).

Similarly, the threat of an unspecified per employee “non-tax” fee to be levied by ObamaCare is a grave drag on the economy today, and will persist until (1) the act is declared unconstitutional, (2) the act is repealed, or (3) President Romney grants waivers to every employer in the country.

Note for future reference, the key to economic understanding is not to cite “people” but to cite “policies.” Unless you want people to mock you.

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Amvet, agreed, but the rules of nature can unfortunately be very unforgiving.

Hopefully, the good ol USA can make history.

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Dagmar,

Don’t you have some San Diego weather to predict or something?

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The Google Politics & Elections blog today takes a look at search traffic trends for both the tea party movement and Occupy Wall Street. While analyzing search traffic for both phrases, the blog charted out trends for both movement. The chart shows that search traffic related to Occupy Wall Street is now 66 percent higher than traffic for the tea party ever was, while current search traffic for Occupy Wall Street is nearly ten times higher than the tea party. The red line is tea party traffic and blue line is Occupy Wall Street traffic:

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Really Dag?

Why because my ass will blocking your view of the moon?

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Socialism saved capitalism.

Ironic isn’t it cons?

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So now the bolsheviks on here are saying that they saved capitalism. Too rich comrades. Good evening. Taps

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“I think every American is tired of this mess. We should all ‘Occupy the Voting Booth’ and vote out every pol, Dem And Rep, and replace them with someone else.”

Unfortunately, it’s always the other guys pol that is the problem…….thus nothing changes.

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Jay is pretty tricky tonight, what would your rather have, 2 percent growth and 7 percent unemployment or 2.5 % growth and 9.2 % unemployment? Those were the days before the crash of 08, it’s still going to take many years to fully recover, there is no magic wand…

md

Where did you move to?

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1811

“The meek shall inherit the earth”, that has some serious implications for the wealthy class whose only god is money….

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Sorry Mick, not saying. The last time I told the world about the great place I lived they all moved there. I remember when the population sign in Atl was still below 1 mill……..teach us to keep our mouths shut. It’s fine for those that like the big city life and sprawl, but that’s not me……I moved to where there is no traffic and plenty of space.

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md

I don’t want to know where exactly, just curious if you are in the land of florida?

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“meek
   

adjective, -er, -est.
1.
humbly patient or docile, as under provocation from others.”

The above has nothing to do with the amount of one’s wealth but it sure does not fit the general definition of those anarchist “OCCUT*RDS” !

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Wow

Our host is gonna have a big mess to clean up here.

I suspect a passel of red and yellow cards are gonna be handed out as well.

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1811@10:55

You just made a very big mistake, quite possibly a venial sin. You don’t know the hearts and minds of all those people, rather you assume and make yourself god by your judgement. You are way out of your pay grade!!!

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Is anybody out there? Quite a human characteristic, we all judge. This blog is jam packed with judges, major and minor. I just know its going to be another good day when the sun come up. Carry on word warriors, the story ain’t finished yet, if ever…

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“You don’t know the hearts and minds of all those people, rather you assume and make yourself god by your judgement.”

“By their deeds you shall know them”

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“The State Department on Wednesday defended spending tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars on books authored by President Obama, while White House spokesman Jay Carney called the book-buying an “embassy-based decision.”

The comments followed a report Wednesday by The Washington Times that found the State Department had spent more than $70,000 on books by Mr. Obama.

Leslie Paige, a spokeswoman for Citizens Against Government Waste, a watchdog group, said the purchases were “inappropriate.”

“This sounds like propaganda,” she told the Times.”

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Hamilton two run homer should end it.

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Tie game on the last strike again.

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Morning Bloggers!

For those of us in Atlanta…today is the last day of the fall fund raiser at WABE.

Please renew or become a member!

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USinUK

October 28th, 2011
6:52 am

No beer and snacks but I’m noshing on some krispy Kremes and a mug of coffee…

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Second Cup…yum.

Been a Garrison Keillor fan for 30 years…oh those red sneakers!

Tonights the Capital Steps Halloween special.

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Alas, I was actually working and pretty much missed the end of Game 6. Apparently, one for the ages. And as a Midwestern boy, who listened to Cardinals games on AM radio growing up I have two words – Go Cards.

Love NPR, and have contributed to them over the years. Lois is great. But I miss Dr, Karl Hass’s program – Adventures in Good Music.

Ironic, isn’t it, that in a sea of noisy garbage and titillating trash, public radio and TV are the very last bastions of class and intellect?

And couldn’t we at least make those freeloaders across the spectrum pay us rent for using OUR airwaves?

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Granny G – 7:20 – saw PHC show live one time when we were living in CT – and have seen him two other times just telling stories … lalalove me some Garrison

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USinUK

Saw him here a few years back at Chastain….the crowd in front was drunk and rowdy and nearly ruined the show. It was a shame.

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Economic Policy Checklist
Does the President’s Stimulus aka Job’s Bill Include Support for These 23 Job-Creating Policies?

1- Unburden The Economy From Washington Regulations. Small business employers face new cumbersome rules and regulations that discourage them from adding new employees. The President and Congress should support an economic moratorium on new regulations, which currently cost more than $1 billion.

2- Codify the President’s Proposal to Require Cost Benefit Analysis in the Formulation of Regulations. Ensure that regulations put forth by the Administration consider the economic burden on American businesses, ensure stakeholder input and promote innovation. These metrics should be applied to costly new mandates and burdens associated with Dodd-Frank and the Health Care law.

3- New American Energy. Support expansion ofnew oil, coal, natural gas, biomass, hydro, solar, wind, and nuclear American power solutions with advanced technologies and strong research capabilities for more jobs. This is a time to support American energy developers expanding our independence from foreign oil, not singling them out with tax hikes.

4- Lift the Outer Continental Shelf Prohibitions. Increase access to U.S. oil and natural gas reserves on the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS). This will create jobs, drive investment, and reduce our nation’s dependence on foreign sources of oil. A February 2006 report released by the Department of the Interior estimated OCS reserves estimated 8.5 billion barrels of oil and 29 trillion cubic feet of natural gas are available. Increase Federal Loan Guarantee Authority for Nuclear Power.

5- Stop Card-Check. “Card-Check” would threaten basic rights and the viability of employers and the small business community. The approach embraced by this proposal would deny employees the ability to privately cast their vote for or against union representation and eliminate the personal and flexible negotiations between small business owners and employees on contracts and working arrangements. The result is a higher cost of doing business, and creating a one-size-fits-all approach to wages and benefits.

6- Increase Exports To Create More Jobs. In order to bring back jobs as our economy recovers, America’s workers, farmers and service providers need access to consumers and markets around the world. American exporters do not enjoy the same opportunity for entry into new markets as their global competitors. Export agreements would reduce barriers to entry, level the playing field for our entrepreneurs and increase job growth at home.

7- Ratify Three Pending Export-Opening Agreements. We should ratify the pending agreements with Korea, Colombia and Panama before July recess. This proposal is estimated to create 250,000 jobs.

8- Provide Trade Promotion Authority for the President. This proposal will get the U.S. back in the business of engaging in market opening agreements.

9- Require a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution. Limit the ability to raise taxes to pay for runaway spending.

10- Require a Statutory Spending Limit. A statutory process that provides a budget strait-jacket so that Congress is forced to make difficult decisions each year to live within its means, as every American family must, and turns toward a path of fiscal balance.

11- Cut Spending to Immediately and Substantially Reduce Deficits. Cut spending relative to current levels to make a down payment on future spending restraint. This effort should also involve reforms to control entitlement spending and strengthen these programs for future generations.

12- Reform Tax Code To Spur Economic Growth. End tax expenditures (preserving the mortgage interest and charity deductions) in return for dropping the top rates from 39% to 29% as recommended by the President’s bipartisan deficit commission.

13- Simplify and Reduce Business and Individual Tax Rates. Reduce the corporate tax rate to 25%, creating 5.3 million private-sector jobs over 10 years.

14- Make Research and Development Tax Credit Permanent. Support innovation in the United States by providing the assurance and certainty that the temporary nature of the credit currently does not provide.

15- Extend and Make Permanent the Small Business Investment Tax Incentive. Small businesses should be able to immediately write off equipment purchases as tax deductions.

16- Reduce Taxes on Capital Gains and Dividends. Eliminate the uncertainty hanging over investors by making lower taxes on capital gains and dividends permanent. Low rates should be pursued because capital taxation harms economic growth and productivity, and ultimately lowers wages for workers.

17- Support passage of S.299 REINS Act. The Act would require congressional approval by joint resolution of any federal rule that may result in an effect on the economy of at least $100 million.

18- Require Greater Access to Federal Lands for Exploration of Resources. The U.S. has a natural abundance of energy resources including coal, natural gas, solar, wind, oil, biomass, and water resources. Expansion of access to federal lands for the development of these resources would take advantage of these resources while diminishing our reliance on foreign fuel sources of fuel.

19- Adopt Common Sense Health Care Solutions. Meaningful health reform must begin with repealing and replacing the health care law, which will forestall the loss of 800,000 workers from the labor force. Pursue reforms that increase competition and reduce the skyrocketing cost of care.

20- Enact Meaningful Medical Malpractice Reform. Such common-sense reform would lessen the wasteful practice of defensive medicine, save the federal government billions of dollars and reduce health care costs passed on to employers.

21- Allow for Purchases of Insurance Across State Lines. This proposal would induce competition among health insurance companies, driving down costs and improving access.

22- Provide Additional Risk Pools for Small Business. This proposal would allow small businesses to benefit from the economies of scale enjoyed by larger corporations and insurance plans in the health insurance group-market.
23- Strengthen Health Savings Accounts and Patient-Centric Health Care. HSAs are savings accounts for medical expenses that offer flexibility for employees and reduce costs for employers. Improving HSAs will bring down costs for job creators and encourage personal responsibility. Reforms should also build on successful state-level initiatives to strengthen the transparency and value of health care services.

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Eli Jones

Did you know that President Obama is actually the son of Jane Fonda and George Soros?

His grandad was Mao and his grandma was Mata Hari.

Have you discovered the survelience device he had instaled in your house yet? They are tough to find but all you need to do is when you find it – scotch tape a picture of Ward and June Cleaver over the lens
and you’ll be fine.

OH AND, don’t under any circumstances drink a Yohoo.

He’s drugged them.

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Oh and Thanks to Mark Kirk’s website for providing Eli with something to post.

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So, Eli, your solution is basically less taxes and regulation, and “fix” some union stuff. Oh and spending cuts. Are you aware of just how many of those 23 points are actually the same point written a different way?

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Increase Exports To Create More Jobs.

I heard that Home Depot is going to start exporting white collar jobs. Will that help, Eli.

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Even though Boeing receives billions in federal subsidies every year and even though it has a bunch of juicy government contracts it did not pay a single penny in federal corporate income taxes from 2008 to 2010.

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So how much of this is actually the economy overall, and how much is short term gains from government spending programs, as well as new oil discoveries and such like that? All the new oil from Pennsylvania shale, plus anticipation of oil from the Keystone pipeline must be helping a lot. And we all know Obama would block all of that if he could, but he can’t. So I think we can safely say the markets and GDP would be a lot worse off if Obama could do what he wants to do. Thankfully his desire to avoid common sense can’t always come to fruition.

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