So, how’s that fancy toll-lane project working for you?

The public’s frustration and outrage over the state-imposed HOT lanes on I-85 has been entirely predictable. So too has been the state’s mishandling of the issue.

Georgia’s transportation leadership has long treated voters more as sheep to be manipulated than as customers to be heeded. Roads, for example, have traditionally gone not where they were needed, but where they would do politicians the most good. And that high-handed approach has been particularly noticeable when it comes to toll-road policy.

The history is familiar: Back when the decision was made to build Georgia 400 as a toll road, angry citizens were bought off with the pledge that tolls would end once the bonds were retired. Yet when the time came, that high-profile promise was broken. The State Road and Tollway Authority — a body chaired by the governor, and under the governor’s total control — simply voted it out of existence.

Then there’s the time a few years ago when, with very little fanfare, the state Department of Transportation decided it would toll Georgia 316 between Atlanta and Athens. State officials were forced to back down at the last minute, assuaging public anger by promising to never again try to convert existing highway lanes to toll lanes.

Once the outrage died away, that promise too was quietly abandoned, and soon state officials were looking to tolls as the answer to every challenge. The fabled Outer Perimeter was at one point going to be built as a toll road, justified by economic and traffic estimates that were wildly unrealistic. Truck-only toll lanes were proposed, until the trucking industry made it clear it would fight the idea. Tolls were even proposed as a way to fund a ludicrous system of tunnels beneath downtown Atlanta that would have made Boston’s Big Dig look like child’s play.

How have we come to this sad state of affairs? I’d propose a combination of three main factors:

1. State leadership faced a huge unmet need for transportation investment in Georgia but felt trapped by its own anti-tax rhetoric. Tolls seemed to offer a quiet way out of that predicament.

2. Nationwide, tolls became an intellectual fad among transportation planners fascinated by their potential not only to finance infrastructure and generate revenue, but also to socially engineer commuting behavior. The notion that people might balk at being socially engineered in such a fashion wasn’t given much consideration.

3. A concerted push among vendors — from bond attorneys, salesmen and financiers to toll-technology companies to good old-fashioned paving companies — who saw the toll fad as a new way to make big profits, often at the expense of unsophisticated state transportation departments. Those vendors also contributed financially to “think tanks” and other groups giving the toll industry its veneer of intellectual credibility.

So what we do now? State officials are playing for time, hoping that anger will recede and that motorists will come to accept their fate. But I’m not sure that’s going to work.

On Monday night, state Sen. Renee Unterman hosted a public meeting in Dacula so that citizens could talk to transportation officials about the toll project, but by all accounts it did not go well. State officials have also pleaded to Washington for help, requesting a waiver to at least let two-passenger carpools return to the HOT lanes.

However, it’s hard to blame Washington for creating this mess. When Transportation Secretary Ray Lahood visited Atlanta two years ago, he publicly questioned the wisdom of adding tolls to existing interstate lanes, suggesting that Georgia voters might not be too pleased by such a step. State officials went ahead with the plan anyway.

You also have to wonder how private companies bidding for the right to build new HOT lanes along I-75 and I-575 are reacting to the reception the idea has gotten so far. (A $16 billion, 285-mile network of such lanes is proposed for metro Atlanta).

The fares needed to make those projects pencil out will be considerably higher than those on I-85, and so far, the public’s not buying it.

– Jay Bookman

304 comments Add your comment

Normal

October 26th, 2011
8:09 am

The public is not as dumb as they think…the revolution is coming…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 26th, 2011
8:11 am

What? Another Republican failure? Why they’ll never admit it…..

Mr Sunshine

October 26th, 2011
8:16 am

I will sit in traffic for hours before paying toll on a road Ive already paid for. GOVT, KISS MY @$$.

Joe The Plumber too.

October 26th, 2011
8:18 am

@keep: What? obama? Another democrat failure? Why they’ll never admit it……(fixed it for you).

Thomas

October 26th, 2011
8:21 am

Jay- you may want to look at Jannine Miller and her patents.

Jay

October 26th, 2011
8:22 am

Fourth comment in, the first attempted “but but but …. Obama!” deflection.

You people just don’t comprehend how your paranoia is being used against you, do you?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 26th, 2011
8:22 am

Granny Godzilla

October 26th, 2011
8:24 am

Mr Sunshine

October 26th, 2011
8:16 am
I will sit in traffic for hours before paying toll on a road Ive already paid for. GOVT, KISS MY @$$.

Damn Straight!

Jay

October 26th, 2011
8:26 am

Thomas, I am aware of that issue.

Guy Incognito

October 26th, 2011
8:28 am

Never supported this project. Refuse to use it to get up to GwinCo. Google maps can find you ways around this voluntary tax

MountainMan

October 26th, 2011
8:29 am

This is not a new phenomenon created by republicans. Georgia highway construction has been corrupt for years. When I-16 was being built in the 70’s, for years it ended in Soperton where Jim Gillis, the highway commissioner lived, so he could get to Atlanta quickly. .

Common Sense

October 26th, 2011
8:30 am

About the same as that fancy rail project called MARTA.

And for those of you that “think” you have already paid for that road, you haven’t.

It was constructed, but it has NOT been paid for. So get over yourself.

Fly-On-The-Wall

October 26th, 2011
8:30 am

I’m not sure we have the leadership anywhere in this state to make the decisions we need to resolve our transportation issues. We have been backed into a corner with no sane way out.

godless heathen

October 26th, 2011
8:31 am

What a crappy idea it is to charge the people who use something for it. Much better to get someone else to pay for it.

JohnnyReb

October 26th, 2011
8:33 am

I seldom venture into HOT lane territory, but side with those not so happy. I’m still pi$$ed about not being able to use the HOV exits. There’s another stupid decision by transportation planners.

Jay

October 26th, 2011
8:35 am

How many times must it be paid for, Godless? We already did it once.

In fact, the revenue from this toll lane won’t even be enough to pay for the equipment needed to convert it into a toll lane. The taxpayers are paying an additional sum for the right to be priced out of their own already-paid-for infrastructure.

It’s just a beautiful thing, isn’t it?

Joe The Plumber too.

October 26th, 2011
8:35 am

aww, c’mon jay, I couldn’t resist. Your teacher pets do the same thing, it’s all in good fun. No paranioa here, I am pretty sure barry is a one and out kind of guy. I am surprised you didn’t start the day off with a quip about the little children at the park getting sent home & or arrested last night.

AmVet

October 26th, 2011
8:35 am

Plumber is beyond obsessed with this president. (It makes him feel better for having voted for you know who, twice.)

To the point where he doesn’t even care how ridiculous his absurdly off-base and substance-free claptrap – that now shows up on every thread – appears to others.

The epitome of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

…wildly unrealistic…

The very definition of right-wing governance today.

It can be safely said, that after a couple of decades now, the Republican experiment in Georgia has been a disaster.

Corruption, fraud and malfeasance are all still HUGE problems in the Peach State.

Paid off incompetence – as evidenced by this HOTlane lunacy – and cronyism amongst criminals at the highest levels of state government rule the day.

And the fiercely ignorant are fiercely proud of their “conservatives”.

As long as these men have R’s behind their names, they are pretty much untouchable. And they know it.

That’s how servile and compliant their base is…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 26th, 2011
8:37 am

I see the “get someone else to pay for it” card has been made a permanent addition to the deck of wingnut cards. Because of course suggesting that taxes be raised to cover these matters or to invest in infrastructure is getting everyone else to pay for it.

1811/0311

October 26th, 2011
8:39 am

Hey, it was trash pickup day in Woodruff Park !!

stephen

October 26th, 2011
8:39 am

Tolling roads is a license to steal and putting to bed tolls after the road is paid for is the oldest sucker pitch in road building. You will always pay more as compared to taxing. Same in Orlando. There increased tolls there are now being paid to cover for past waste and corruption in the toll road authority. If they get away with the I-85 hot lane, get ready for every road around Atlanta to be tollled. And annual increases will be routine.

Joe The Plumber too.

October 26th, 2011
8:42 am

amwet, if anybody has an obsession for urkle it would be you and your blog pals. All we read day after day is obama is good, obama is great….mindless worship for a false prophet. What would be your take on the state department spending 70K of our money on the messiahs book? Wasteful spending or is it ok since it was HIS book?

Common Sense

October 26th, 2011
8:42 am

Let’s be intellectually honest here. You have not paid for the road once. The dollars came from sources, both of which have deficits.

I bet you tell yourself you have paid for things you have purchased with plastic as well.

Doggone/GA

October 26th, 2011
8:43 am

I think the way to fight the toll lanes is more civil disobedience. EVERYONE should get in that lane. Clog it to the gills. They can’t arrest us all!

stephen

October 26th, 2011
8:44 am

And 1811/0311, enjoy your new reality brought to you by B of A, et al. At least those guys in Woodruff Park had the stones to speak back without a pseudonym in a dark room. I’ll stand by for your Obama rant.

TaxPayer

October 26th, 2011
8:46 am

Problem! What problem!

Sonny put the icing on the cake when he broke the promise on the Ga 400 toll even though I’m sure he has already convinced himself that he technically did not tell a lie.

Jay

October 26th, 2011
8:46 am

In the interest of the honesty you advocate, Common, the road lane HAS been paid for. It was built and financed years ago through the federal and state gasoline taxes.

Mick

October 26th, 2011
8:46 am

joe

So, you would have preferred maccain/palin? Think he would have got bin laden? Think we would have any kind of car industry left here in the US? You are nothing more than a greedy ideologue who thinks somehow that I got mine go get yours is the basis for a healthy country. You are definately in the right business because you are full of it….

Jm

October 26th, 2011
8:47 am

Works in Europe and you guys love Europe

So learn to love the toll lanes

carlosgvv

October 26th, 2011
8:47 am

The rich in America get the best Doctors, Dentists, Lawyers, Accountants, cars, homes etc. No reason why they shouldn’t get the best roads. It’s the American way. If you don’t believe it, just ask all the Republican candidates.

TaxPayer

October 26th, 2011
8:47 am

Hey, it was trash pickup day in Woodruff Park !!

I hope the trash collectors got the idiot toting the rifle too, Private.

Common Sense

October 26th, 2011
8:50 am

And there is no federal and state debts correct?

Once more, a little intellectual honesty is called for. Or are you going to say that the debts we hold are for everything but I-85 in Gwinnett County.

Dollars coming out of the Federal Budget are not already “paid for”. They are debts that will be collected from future tax payers.

But they certainly haven’t been paid for.

Armed Liberal

October 26th, 2011
8:50 am

This all stems from the GOP’s lack of intestinal fortitude.

They cannot say to their constituents that taxes need to be raised because of the newish GOP orthodoxy.

Basically, Georgia’s GOP leadership are a bunch of cowards.

It’s also important to realize that the part of the suburbs most affected by this is the most likely to turn to the Dems in the coming years.

Brad Steel

October 26th, 2011
8:50 am

The State Road and Tollway Authority — a body chaired by the governor, and under the governor’s total control — simply voted it out of existence.
Thank you for the lie, your highness,…. uh I mean governor.

Tolls were even proposed as a way to fund a ludicrous system of tunnels beneath downtown Atlanta that would have made Boston’s Big Dig look like child’s play.
We can count on state gov. for exceptional stupidity. May they should plan an underground Disney Land. It would keep us out of the Georgia heat and would help us compete with Orlando. You know Florida has no state taxes!

Those vendors also contributed financially to “think tanks” and other groups giving the toll industry its veneer of intellectual credibility.
What a waste of money. No need for fancy ideas to fool a bunch of saps who can cure all ills by cutting taxes.

stands for decibels

October 26th, 2011
8:51 am

They’ve done a horrendous job educating the public about the conditions under which they are permitted to ride in these lanes for free. I understand that one has to sign up for a Peach pass in order to register your vehicle thus, but good luck finding basic information about this on their website.

(it’s buried in their “set up a new account” page.)

Jm

October 26th, 2011
8:52 am

Gas taxes can’t pay for roads when we all drive electric cars silly

So tolls will be necessary

Get with the future and stop being the “party of no”

Progress is painful sometimes.
And the maddow-ites gripe we couldn’t build Hoover Dam today
Well you turkeys oppose everything including the method to pay for roads

So how do you think things get built? Free?

The liberal stupidity, ah it hurts

Joe The Plumber too.

October 26th, 2011
8:52 am

mick, bless your heart, but yes I got mine ( through hard work, saving and doing without many times) now why don’t you go get yours.

godless heathen

October 26th, 2011
8:52 am

When the lane needs repaving, the tolls will pay for that.

DannyX

October 26th, 2011
8:52 am

“The rich in America get the best Doctors, Dentists, Lawyers, Accountants, cars, homes etc.”

Exactly, now that they have their new toll lane it’s time to get to work on the new Falcons stadium.

Guy Incognito

October 26th, 2011
8:53 am

Scout

They renamed it, Troy Davis park. How insensitive of you

lynnie gal

October 26th, 2011
8:53 am

This whole toll fiasco amounts to Georgia govmt. foxes picking your pocket and then selling you back your own watch. The folks in our Georgia govmt have decided to charge you for your own roads, people. Obama had nothing to do with this. At a time in Georgia when unemployment is one of the highest in the country, ditto for foreclosures and bankruptcies, the move to force toll lanes on working people took a lot of nerve. But, the foxes counted on Georgia folk to blame Obama for it, like the do everything. P.S. There’s a reason the foxes want to cut education–expands their base.

Armed Liberal

October 26th, 2011
8:54 am

Jm is playing dumb today, right Jm?

You’re really not that ill informed are you?

Is is really that easy to intentionally mis-read everything and spew lies?

Jay

October 26th, 2011
8:55 am

Right, jm.

So of the billions of miles being driven annually on US roads, what percentage is being driven using all-electric vehicles?

0.000000000001 percent, maybe?

And that’s your justification for tolls.

Patrick

October 26th, 2011
8:55 am

Jay–How long do you think it will take for certain folks to be isued “complimentary” peach passes so they can use the toll lanes for free? I am thinking every two-bit politician, public official, football coach, etc. will be granted one because they are “special” and “need to use the toll way because they are so important that sitting in traffic is beneath them”.

Anyone want to bet this doesn’t happen?

Jm

October 26th, 2011
8:55 am

Jay 8:35 roads have to be repaved
Your welcome

Jay

October 26th, 2011
8:56 am

Sure that will happen, Patrick.

I see where the state is already suggesting that veterans get free use of the lane, you know, just to give that patriotic veneer.

larry

October 26th, 2011
8:57 am

Like i have said before, these toll lanes are like a quadruple tax being put on the public.

Your tax dollars first built I-85
Your tax dollars maintained I-85
Your tax dollars built the H.O.V lanes
Your tax dollars built the H.O.T lanes

And then they charge you a fee to use the highway your tax dollars have already paid for four times over. And they wonder why people are mad?

Jm

October 26th, 2011
8:58 am

Jay 8:55
Not in the future. Hey, don’t blame me. It’s the future you guys want, designed, and are getting.

Jay

October 26th, 2011
8:58 am

No, heathen. The project is not ever projected to break even, let alone raise revenue for maintenance.

md

October 26th, 2011
8:59 am

Just more justification for taking the “hotlane” out of town……..my definition of “quality of life” no longer includes 2-4 hours of seat time in the car. And those hours times 260 = approx 32 days of ones life………per year.

Have fun.

Jm

October 26th, 2011
8:59 am

Jay. FDOT is contemplating tolling the whole interstate system

It’s not radical. Calm down……

Patrick

October 26th, 2011
8:59 am

Wow–that didn’t take long!

Common Sense

October 26th, 2011
9:01 am

“The Recovery Act, which provided FHWA with $27.5 billion for highway infrastructure
investment, has helped jump-start our economy, save and create jobs, and put a down payment on
our infrastructure for the 21st century. With this funding, Federal, State and local transportation
organizations will continue to invest in projects to build, rehabilitate, and make safer roads,
highways, bridges and ports. In addition to State-based highway infrastructure projects, the
Recovery Act also provides funds for investments in Federal lands and capital expenditure projects
such as park roads and parkways and ferryboat construction.
States and other recipients of Recovery Act funding have met the ambitious deadlines in the
legislation intended to infuse funds swiftly into the economy. Of the $26.6 billion available to
States for highway projects through the Recovery Act, more than $23.5 billion has been obligated
for 10,833 projects nationwide – of which 7,047 projects are underway, with over 1,900 of those
projects substantially complete.”

Our grandchildren will be paying for these “paid for” highway construction projects.

When you believe you have paid for in full your highways, you are wrong. This is just one of many sources that go into federal highways.

Second, if you want to insist that the roads are paid for, then those who have paid the most should get preference. That only follows the logic you display.

That means that lower gas mileage vehicles, which have paid MORE taxes should get first crack at the faster lanes—for free. After all, they have MORE THAN PAID for it using your logic.

And those super efficient, high occupancy vehicles–isn’t it time you paid your “fair share”?

Don't Tread

October 26th, 2011
9:03 am

“Georgia’s transportation leadership has long treated voters more as sheep to be manipulated than as customers to be heeded”

The national, um, “leadership” is guilty of the same. But they’re Democrats, so I suppose that’s ok. Nobody was “heeding the customers” when they passed Obamacare and the bailouts, were they? (But thankfully, “the customers” paid you back with a historical a$$-whooping in November 2010.)

“The notion that people might balk at being socially engineered in such a fashion wasn’t given much consideration.”

But I guess when people balk at Democratic “social engineering”, they have no right to do so, and deserve to be denigrated by you and your liberal buddies in the alphabet media, right? :roll:

Jm

October 26th, 2011
9:03 am

Oh and jay. It’s not just electric cars. It’s hybrids and all the fuel efficiency being pushed by Obama.

If you’re mad about it, go blame Obama.

Frankly I’m for more efficiency and I recognize toll roads will be a byproduct.

But then again, I’m not a hypocrit.

AmVet

October 26th, 2011
9:03 am

All we read day after day is obama is good, obama is great

We?

We??

Who exactly do you speak for, besides yourself, plumber? Your pets? The undead? Ronald Reagan? (He’s still dead, isn’t he?)

Stand on your own two feet for once and quit trying to create your little imaginary army of fellow yes-men.

Or at least name those here in your *we*, so I can clear it with you before addressing them

You are in the final stages of permanent ODS. Because that is all that you allow yourself to see. It has become the very nexus of your focus. That is the extent to which he has power over you.

And I’ll take children with functioning spines and scrotums over you adult jellyfish (and wheyfaced ex-marines) any day of the week and twice on Wednesday.

State officials have also pleaded to Washington for help…

Do tell? More red state mooching off of the hated Uncle Sam?

Typical.

Though it looks like the would-be Occupy the HOTlane folks in Dacula and throughout the metro region are gonna try like hell to get this travesty undone.

Good on them…

Mick

October 26th, 2011
9:04 am

joe

The difference between you and me; I got mine and try to help others get theirs. No freebies here, hard work never fails. It’s your problem assuming that we want to prop up people that didn’t earn their way – wrong. However, why should those who have benefitted the most be asked to do the least? Boo-hoo…

TaxPayer

October 26th, 2011
9:05 am

Are the Republicans doing their part and utilizing the HOT lane or are they simply providing their usual meaningless bluster. In jm’s case, the answer is easy given he does not reside in the state.

Jm

October 26th, 2011
9:05 am

Jay. If you had advocated for eliminating or lowering fuel efficiency standards in conjunction with raising the gas tax to pay for roads, your arguments would bear a semblance to being consistent.

However, it wouldn’t change the ultimate outcome. Tolls will be necessary to pay for roads.

godless heathen

October 26th, 2011
9:06 am

Raise the toll, then.

Shawny

October 26th, 2011
9:07 am

The HOV lanes were fine just the way they were.
The new HOT lanes are nothing but a revenue generating scam. They do not incent good behavior, such as encouraging carpooling.
It would be interesting for someone to report on revenue being generated, both for tolls paid as well as fines.

larry

October 26th, 2011
9:07 am

Yep, blame Obama for decisions that Sonny and the Repub legislature made before he went into office.

oy.

Jm

October 26th, 2011
9:08 am

TaxP – true, well 90% of the time

But we have HOT lanes down here in FL and they’re great

Grasshopper

October 26th, 2011
9:08 am

You want to see a major highway ripoff?

Take US27 South from Columbus to the Florida state line. It is a beautiful 4-lane road now — you will be the only car on it.

Mick

October 26th, 2011
9:10 am

taxpayer

We have had a hot lane or toll lane down here on I-95 for over a year now. It’s optional, you don’t have to use it. We are over tolled with many other roads it’s a pain in the arse and they keep going up…

St Simons - we're on Island time

October 26th, 2011
9:11 am

Oh good, we weren’t sure. The mrs went up to the ol hometown last week for a medical meeting and called back and told me about this as she was driving thru gwinnett visiting friends. We were outraged, too, along with our friends, – glad everyone else (with a conscience) is also too.

Chill out, man. Look at it this way. Every dumb thing they do, every “let em eat cake” move they make, every stupid stunt the Georgia Republicans pull, brings their extinction a day closer.

Come to de Island, mon. We don’t say “let them eat cake.”
And the speed limit is 25.

jt

October 26th, 2011
9:12 am

I don’t know what the big deal is.
If Americans weren’t so wussyish,metro/federo-sexed and cowled down, more would do what I do.
.
I have ran the HOV lanes three times so far without paying.
.
When the police (tax-collectors) come up behind me, they see my Ron Paul sticker…they then just fade away.
.
Grow some…Sheople.

Peter

October 26th, 2011
9:13 am

Just another REPUBLICAN TAX !

Great for Republican’s commuting into town, they get a first hand experience at what “Their” GOP legislators do for them !

Martin the Calvinist

October 26th, 2011
9:13 am

All praise to the Lord above I don’t live in Atlanta! No toll roads here in good ole Augusta! :)

But, there has to be a consistent and fair way to fund for roads and their maintenance without tolls, I’m just not so sure the politicians in our fine state can come up with one.

Mick

October 26th, 2011
9:13 am

Among one of the many reasons that I will be relocating out west is that you won’t find a toll in idaho, montana, utah, arizona. they just have roads without the regressive tolling. Go west old man…

Jay

October 26th, 2011
9:14 am

No, jm. They won’t.

The current federal gas tax of 18.4 cents a gallon hasn’t been raised since 1993. No inflation adjustment, no increase of any kind since then.

Just to keep pace with inflation, it would be 27 cents today, which would solve a lot of the financing problems in transportation.

Charging tolls is a blatantly unfair and inefficient means of solving the problem. It costs a lot more to erect toll booths, buy the technology, do the enforcement, etc., that it would to simply raise the gas tax.

In addition, those driving the interstate routes that are tolled are paying twice. They are paying the gas tax AND paying extra to drive roads. Other motorists who don’t have to use interstates get a pass. It concentrates the burden on a certain subset, rather than sharing it broadly.

Joe The Plumber too.

October 26th, 2011
9:14 am

amwet, it always comes down to scrotums with you doesn’t it. Don’t worry I won’t tell anyone.

Jm

October 26th, 2011
9:15 am

Don’t like tolls?
Use MARTA

too little time

October 26th, 2011
9:17 am

Some of us DID poo-poo the idea ahead of time. The real purpose became crystal clear AFTER the lanes opened: the purpose of these toll lanes is NOT to relieve traffic, or even to provide a fast method of transport in traffic. In short, the purpose of these lanes was to INCREASE traffic congestion overall in the other lanes in order to make money from the toll lanes.

IF the SRTA had set a toll so as to keep the toll lane as full as possible while maintaining the promised 40mph in that lane, then I might think differently. But they didn’t. Ignoring that the other lanes were experiencing extreme traffic, they kept tolls high and ridership low in the HOT lanes. The clearly are not interested in overall traffic congestion.

Peter

October 26th, 2011
9:17 am

JM. did you buy into the market yesterday on the down day ?

Jefferson

October 26th, 2011
9:18 am

The GOP flock are mere pawns who won’t see it until they are too old to do anything but suck up and then its too late.

Jm

October 26th, 2011
9:18 am

Jay, I’m fine with raising the gas tax. The end game though is tolls.

Peadawg

October 26th, 2011
9:18 am

Yes Jay @ 9:14, raise the gas tax when it’s already $3.30+ a gallon. :roll:

moonbat betty

October 26th, 2011
9:19 am

The HOT lanes are HOT.

More taxes.

LOVE IT!

USinUK

October 26th, 2011
9:19 am

“Take US27 South from Columbus to the Florida state line. It is a beautiful 4-lane road now — you will be the only car on it.”

oooooooooooooo … sweet …. (although, you’d probably have to stop every 40 miles to clear the bug detritus off your car)

Jm

October 26th, 2011
9:20 am

Jay
Btw, national review (not s lib publication obviously) took Perry’s tax plan to task

U may want to check it out

Says the plan is a dodge and won’t produce enough revenue

USinUK

October 26th, 2011
9:20 am

Don’t like trolls?

stay off the bridge.

Jm

October 26th, 2011
9:22 am

Peter. I’ve been buying the last several months and about tapped out which is fine

I like my basis and I have pretty much all gains

Mick

October 26th, 2011
9:22 am

The end game might be to go where the tolls aren’t..

Don't Tread

October 26th, 2011
9:25 am

“those driving the interstate routes that are tolled are paying twice”

But yet there’s absolutely no problem when other people get taxed twice, right? Estate taxes are great, aren’t they?!

Jm

October 26th, 2011
9:26 am

Politico has a column about how Obama is faking his deportation numbers

Washington Post said the same thing

(for those of you pro deportation)

Joe The Plumber too.

October 26th, 2011
9:26 am

Yawn….gotta go charge a few OWS ebt cards. Play nice kids.

Peter

October 26th, 2011
9:26 am

Great Job Jm. the market will pop today, one of my favorites BEXP got bought out…. looking for upside to continue until end of year.

Best to you !

TaxPayer

October 26th, 2011
9:28 am

Perhaps jm will splain to us all just how toll roads such as our little HOT lane will ever pay for anything by utilizing the revenues raised from tolls. From what I’m seeing, it looks more like taxpayer-funded and subsidized government jobs. Those thingies that Republicans despise with a passion.

Jm

October 26th, 2011
9:30 am

Mick 9:22
You leaving FL?

BlahBlahBlah

October 26th, 2011
9:30 am

We’re from the government, and we’re here to help!

Jm

October 26th, 2011
9:32 am

TaxP but you love them, so cheer up!

BlahBlahBlah

October 26th, 2011
9:32 am

“It concentrates the burden on a certain subset, rather than sharing it broadly.”

Funny how this doesn’t bother Jay when we’re talking about Federal income taxes.

Jm

October 26th, 2011
9:34 am

Peter awesome on BEXP

When mine get bought out, I Sometimes have mixed feelings. Depending on price I sometimes think. The acquirer got too good of a deal. But I try not to look a gift horse on the mouth…. Too much anyway

Granny Godzilla

October 26th, 2011
9:34 am

Jm

to be accurate Politco published a piece by Lamar Smith R-TX

Aquagirl

October 26th, 2011
9:36 am

you won’t find a toll in idaho, montana, utah, arizona. they just have roads without the regressive tolling. Go west old man…

Because states like Idaho and Arizona receive more back from the feds than they pay in taxes.

Enjoy sucking the taxpayer teat while driving to your Teanut protests.

Paul

October 26th, 2011
9:37 am

“Georgia’s transportation leadership has long treated voters more as sheep to be manipulated than as customers to be heeded.”

What happens when public officials forget who they work for.

“tolls became an intellectual fad among transportation planners fascinated by their potential not only to finance infrastructure and generate revenue, but also to socially engineer commuting behavior.”

In conservative Georgia? Social engineering? Looks like some here are going to have to rethink where on the political spectrum ’social engineering’ falls.

“leadership faced a huge unmet need for transportation investment in Georgia but felt trapped by its own anti-tax rhetoric.”

Look at Cain’s and Perry’s tax plans. But in all fairness, their actions (tax increases) don’t match their rhetoric (no tax increases, any time, any place). But the base loves it. So why does the Georgia populace get so bent out of shape when state leaders to the same thing?

Jay

October 26th, 2011
9:39 am

Paul, Texas in many ways has been Ground Zero in this whole tolling fad, hasn’t it?

TaxPayer

October 26th, 2011
9:41 am

Yet, our state-level politicians have come out against this new one-cent SPLOST because it is a tax increase! It’s a fee, I tells ya, because it only applies to those that buys. Just like that HOT thingie except that the HOT thingie uses road that the taxpayer paid for but now cannot use without paying again and it does not actually generate revenue. In fact, it requires even more taxpayer funding. Republicans, however, pass this off on their constituency as “good”. :lol:

USinUK

October 26th, 2011
9:42 am

“you won’t find a toll in idaho, montana, utah, arizona”

I hear rush hour in Boise and Bozeman are a b*tch

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