A nation turns its lonely eyes to … Newt?
Mitt Romney continues to pull the same 25 to 30 percent of the GOP base that he’s had all along. The remainder of his party, reluctant to settle for the man from Massachusetts, continues to look around for a champion who can rescue them from his clutches.
For the moment, that champion happens to be Herman Cain, but it’s impossible to believe that can last. Critical as I’ve been of them, I still have more faith in the GOP electorate than to believe they’re serious about making Cain their nominee. But having run through Bachmann and Perry, where else can they turn?
'Say, um, are you free tonight?'
Well, there’s that portly gentleman with the gray hair over there, the one tugging on his ear and, frankly, trying to look disinterested. The name is Newt Gingrich, I believe.
Listening to Newt these days, it’s pretty clear that he thinks the race may finally be turning in his direction. He looks at Romney and sees a man with a “Nelson Rockefeller problem,” as Gingrich calls it, noting that “there is a natural ceiling” for such candidates in the Republican Party.
(Nelson Rockefeller, for those too young to know, was a moderate Republican and a successful governor of New York who in 1960, 1964 and 1968 lost the GOP nomination to more conservative opponents. Think of him as the original RINO.)
Gingrich also looks around at his fellow candidates and sees rank amateurs, all of whom have had their shot at being the anti-Mitt and have fallen short. Other than Romney, Gingrich is the only major player on the debate stage who actually knows public policy, and it shows.
“At some point I think it’s going to come down to Romney and me,” Gingrich said this week. “Once we get down to a two-person debate, then I’m reasonably confident I will win.”
The former speaker is also positioning himself as the sole grownup in the party, the only one with the self-control needed to be successful next summer and fall. Watching Romney and Rick Perry squabble at the last debate, Gingrich said, made him feel like “I was the recess monitor on the playground, watching these two kids.” He even talks in regretful tones about the decline of mutual respect in politics, noting that “policy dialogue, handled with civility, is exactly what politics should be.”
Of course, it’s impossible to hear pleas for civil dialogue from a man with Newt’s history without giggling a bit. And in his heart he really hasn’t changed much, as evidenced by his recent suggestion that U.S. Rep. Barney Frank and Sen. Chris Dodd ought to be tossed into prison. Earlier this year, Gingrich also accused House Republicans of trying to impose “radical … right-wing social engineering” and claimed that President Obama is governed by a “Kenyan, anti-colonialist” mindset. The hyena hasn’t changed his spots, and everyone knows it.
And that’s just the problem. Anybody else with Gingrich’s resume, knowledge and rhetorical skills would indeed be well positioned to become Romney’s main challenger at this point. But Gingrich isn’t just anybody else. He travels with more baggage than a 100-piece marching band.
"You see, this is my life! It always will be! Nothing else! Just us, the cameras, and those wonderful people out there in the dark!... All right, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up."
To today’s voters, he also comes across as a politician from another century, when men named Clinton and Reagan and Dole walked the corridors of Washington. And he doesn’t seem to get that. In fact, if Romney gives off echoes of Nelson Rockefeller, Gingrich has at least a touch of Norma Desmond about him. Like that once-famous actress in the classic “Sunset Boulevard,” he’s ready for his closeup and certain that he’s going to be just as big as he ever was.
– Jay Bookman
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AmVet
October 26th, 2011
9:33 pm
Somebody knows nothing whatsoever about Warren Buffett.
So they write nonsensical garbage to try and amuse…
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 26th, 2011
9:34 pm
So is Jay also worried about Gingrich? Yep, he’s worried about every Republican because he knows that Obama is in a heap of trouble against just about any challenger.
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
9:34 pm
Jm
I agree that the debt outliers are extremely dangerous…especially since it’s closer to $70 Trillion than $14 Trillion by some estimates, but the economy will need a jump start to avoid that debt to be manageable. Call it stimulus, call it restructuring, call it a bacon, egg and cheese biscuit. Demand has to increase or we’re looking at financial hell..
Soothsayer
October 26th, 2011
9:35 pm
Life in America
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
9:36 pm
funny listening to liberals lambaste newt and use the false liberal demagogue template that has been going after him for 15 years now…..while giving hussein a pass on far more vitriolic rhetoric as well as disatrous policies for 3 years now……this let’s me know that jay is a little scared of newt b/c he knows in a debate he would wipe the floor with hussein……interesting blog day today bookman………quite eye-opening…..hussein disses the actual democracy movement in iran while fomenting movements in two other countries that have delivered the power to radical islamists…..he’s 0 for 3……or is he….?
FYI……the radical leftists/marxists/socialist/revolutionaries that are protesting seem to be heading in the direction that I told you, Jay, would lead you to have to publically make a choice b/t free market capitalism and big-gov’t socialism………will you choose your radical ilk or your constitutional republic…..hmmmmm
getalife
October 26th, 2011
9:37 pm
“We’ll take care of picking our candidate.”
You seem to be having a problem with that simple task.
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
9:39 pm
amvet,
newt and hitler?………..brilliant and quite Lib 101 methodology….or rules for radicals…..whatever you like
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 26th, 2011
9:39 pm
The commander and chief campaigner is out on the road desperately trying to play his pathetic class warfare strategy to get re-elected against an electorate who has his number.
getalife
October 26th, 2011
9:39 pm
“will you choose your radical ilk”
Yeehaw, we got two ilks.
Kamchak
October 26th, 2011
9:39 pm
…this let’s me know that jay is a little scared of newt b/c he knows in a debate he would wipe the floor with hussein…
No matter how many different names you post that under, it won’t make it true. Just sayin’.
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
9:40 pm
Is it still technically hyperbole when the issuer does not seem to realize it?
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
9:41 pm
getalife,
you seemed to have a problem picking your candidate as well….seeing as how he is incompetent up to this point in his presidency…….
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
9:42 pm
i post under one name…..two if you like
TaxPayer
October 26th, 2011
9:42 pm
The Republicans are going to have to quit their whining and pick their candidate eventually and they have so many left to vote off the island before their weiner is crowned.
JKL2
October 26th, 2011
9:44 pm
AmVet- Somebody knows nothing whatsoever about Warren Buffett
I know he hires fleets of lawyers and accountants to find every possible loophole so he doesn’t have to pay any income tax then goes on TV and complains “it’s not fair the little people have to pay more than I do.”
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
9:46 pm
it’s the same process the dems went through to pick the most incompetent pres since carter…..better our weiner than yours(anthony)…..
AmVet
October 26th, 2011
9:46 pm
Bobbybilly.
Have you always struggled with understanding standard written English? (LOL)
Yep, the neo-cons worst nightmare has come to pass.
This absurd slate is the best they can muster.
And actually rivals the laughfest from 2008…
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
9:47 pm
Billybob
As of yet, I have not heard that another Democrat was “throwing his hat in the ring”. So they seem pretty pat on their candidate thus far..or did I miss some breaking news?
Soothsayer
October 26th, 2011
9:47 pm
Newt will be latest Republican souffle that falls in the oven. Just like Trump, Bachmann, Palin, Perry — not to mention those that never got put in the oven like Christie.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 26th, 2011
9:48 pm
Warren Bluffet is a phony champion of the poor and middle class in this country.
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
9:49 pm
Recon
I don’t think he’s trying to be a champion. I think he’s just pointing out something that he sees as absurd.
JKL2
October 26th, 2011
9:50 pm
Deep South-I agree that the debt outliers are extremely dangerous…especially since it’s closer to $70 Trillion than $14 Trillion by some estimates
http://www.usdebtclock.org/ It’s $14.88T(already) with a total of $116T already promised. Why don’t we just send everyone a check fo a $1 million and call it a day?
AmVet
October 26th, 2011
9:51 pm
Bobbybilly,
Just for you delusional Carter-bashers…(Rubbing this in your faces will never get old!)
Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that his presidency was the worst in the nation’s history. Another 35 percent of the historians surveyed rated the Bush presidency in the 31st to 41st category, while only four of the 109 respondents ranked the current presidency as even among the top two-thirds of American administrations.
“George Bush has combined mediocrity with malevolent policies and has thus seriously damaged the welfare and standing of the United States,” wrote one of the historians, echoing the assessments of many of his professional colleagues. “Bush does only two things well,” said one of the most distinguished historians. “He knows how to make the very rich very much richer, and he has an amazing talent for f**king up everything else he even approaches. His administration has been the most reckless, dangerous, irresponsible, mendacious, arrogant, self-righteous, incompetent, and deeply corrupt one in all of American history.”
Own him, Bushbots. He’s yours…
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 26th, 2011
9:52 pm
Deep South,
He is absurd.
getalife
October 26th, 2011
9:52 pm
Billy Bob,
Did he collapse the global economy, start two occupations, said he never saw anything coming like 9/11, outed a CIA agent, etc…?
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
9:52 pm
JKL2
I’ll take cash, if that’s ok with you.
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
9:52 pm
deep south outlaw,
in 2008 sir……..
amvet,
hitler reference and then the ‘intellectually superior’ lib template……nice job……put those two together and it may get you a nickel…….or possibly a job in hussein’s re-election campaign……
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
9:53 pm
Recon
I dream of being absurd then. In fact, make it a double. Stark raving mad with a tendency to wear bad wigs and pointy shoes.
getalife
October 26th, 2011
9:55 pm
cons got trump .
Mr. bankruptcy birther..
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
9:55 pm
Billybob
I was an avid fan of Hilary. She was the second smartest person in the Clinton WH, a few terms as US Senator and it would cause “El Rush Bo” to have a stroke. That’s winning in ways that Charlie Sheen could not even imagine.
AmVet
October 26th, 2011
9:57 pm
This, however, is the money shot about your favorite worst ever, billy:
In the wake of the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, the United States enjoyed enormous support around the world. President Bush squandered that goodwill by taking the country into an unnecessary war of choice and misleading the American people to gain support for that war. And he failed utterly to have a plan to deal with Iraq after the invasion. He further undermined the international reputation of the United States by justifying torture.
Mr. Bush inherited a sizable budget surplus and a thriving economy. By pushing through huge tax cuts for the rich while increasing federal spending at a rapid rate, Bush transformed the surplus into a massive deficit. The tax cuts and other policies accelerated the concentration of wealth and income among the very richest Americans. These policies combined with unwavering opposition to necessary government regulations have produced the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Then there is the incredible shrinking dollar, the appointment of incompetent cronies, the totally inexcusable failure to react properly to the disaster of Hurricane Katrina, the blatant disregard for the Constitution—and on and on.
Like a majority of other historians who participated in this poll, my conclusion is that the preponderance of the evidence now indicates that, while this nation has had at least its share of failed presidencies, no previous presidency was as large a failure in so many areas as the current one.
Got any similar nuggets about Carter?
LOL over and over again…
Peter
October 26th, 2011
9:58 pm
OK to the election…….
The thoughts…..
So far the bad guys are dead…… Bin Laden and Omar, and no new Wars have started.
We Know the deficit was huge when we began, but folks are going back to work in America.
Yes add some taxes, cut some loop holes. towards the balance of the budget, then continue the rebuilding of US infrastructure.
Focus on Solar / Wind for alternative energy so then Nuclear will not be a poison in the future.
The overall costs have been declining rapidly, and will continue to do so as the technology advances.
JKL2
October 26th, 2011
9:59 pm
taxpayer- The Republicans are going to have to quit their whining and pick their candidate eventually and they have so many left to vote off the island before their weiner is crowned.
Check out this group of “winners” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIYfu6RIZoE&feature=related
Note the first one dropped out in January. I don’t understand why you Demwits are in such a hurry to get an a$$ kicking.
PS: it’s a shame Hillary didn’t win. At least she had something more going for her than being “articulate’ and the color of her skin.
josef
October 26th, 2011
9:59 pm
I’m out…g’night
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
9:59 pm
Peter
I agreed with everything but “but folks are going back to work in America”
Employment is still stagnant
getalife
October 26th, 2011
10:01 pm
Deep South Outlaw ,
I am a big Hillary fan too.
Just the karma of the Clintons back in the White House would have been great.
Kamchak
October 26th, 2011
10:02 pm
PS: it’s a shame Hillary didn’t win.
What possible difference would that make?
The global economy would still have collapsed and you silly cons would be blaming her instead of Obama.
AmVet
October 26th, 2011
10:03 pm
I think you LP has a scratch in it, billy.
Either that or you really do live in that echo chamber I’ve read about.
getalife, to your point, we have one of the world’s great philanthropists and a paragon of modesty and quiet family man.
The cons adore that birther nutjob, tawdry TV clown, con artist and serial philanderer.
It epitomizes the difference…
getalife
October 26th, 2011
10:03 pm
“the color of her skin.”
Take your race card to kyles.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 26th, 2011
10:05 pm
Deep South,
If that brings you wealth and happiness, God bless! Bluffet has been a highly successful investor or a gambler in our market system. He’s never started up a company that’s produced a product or has really contributed anything toward technical innovation in America. He is what he is and by no means an American hero. He’s a Democrat and thus a hero for the left but isn’t anyone special for main stream America.
getalife
October 26th, 2011
10:06 pm
“It epitomizes the difference…”
Their character has really gone downhill.
trump let daffy stay on his property.
Just a horrible unpatriotic publicity stunt.
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
10:06 pm
getalife,
try again you are 0 for 4 unless you read the old huffington post or hack-sites like that…..
amvet,
historians ,acting as journalists, ranking anything says nothing except that they are breaking the number one journalism ethics rule by inserting themselves into the story……….throwing random polls out there without describing the history of views of those ranking something is useless…..this does highlight how the liberal media tries to shape public opinion instead of reporting ON public opinion…..see how easy it is to dissect liberalism……the days of free reign for liberals in media and information is over thanks to people like me who will now speak up and enlighten people to your ilk’s deceits and manipulations that for years went unchecked…..
JKL2
October 26th, 2011
10:07 pm
getalife- Did he collapse the global economy, start two occupations, said he never saw anything coming like 9/11, outed a CIA agent, etc…?
1: I know obama likes to think of himself as “world president” but President Bush never had that aspiration.
2: occupations? Like Germany?
3: He was working on the problem at the time. Clinton had decimated the Army and our intelligence agencies because he was afraid they would be used against him. (ever hear of MoveOn.org?)
4: Hard to out someone who had already done it herself. I believe the blame fell on Scooter Libby.
Mick
October 26th, 2011
10:07 pm
Well, it’s been another groundhog day at bookman’s. That’s OK because you never know when some of these cons are going to wake up and see the light. Unfortunately, most are just zombies for the rich, what a crew permanently trapped in their own dark age….
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
10:10 pm
amvet,
unchecked unchecked……unchecked……unnnnnnncheeeeeeeeeeeeecked…..i’ll play along
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
10:10 pm
Recon
I have no idea if he’s indeed a “hero of the Left”. From my point of view, he’s the boy that played the game better. But if he’s a bad actor for his success…as I am guessing is your point, isn’t that sort of dirty pool to attack him for it since those on the Right are always going on about how the Left hates those with wealth?
Not trying to second guess your logic, rather I am attempting to understand it.
getalife
October 26th, 2011
10:10 pm
jk,
You are a joke.
So blinded and brainwashed by ideology you can’t even admit the economy collapsed on w’s watch.
getalife
October 26th, 2011
10:12 pm
Mick,
It does get old and they will never wake up but other Americans might be reading so it is worth a try to wake them up.
AmVet
October 26th, 2011
10:12 pm
Billy, tsk, tsk, tsk.
How many polls and surveys do you need??
I have never seen one, and I’ve seen more than a few, where Bush is even remotely close to Carter in the rankings.
Have you?
Nope.
Because it does not exist. (Excluding the one in your mind.)
So I presume your “position” is that all of those otherwise reputable lists, comprised by reputable institutions are ALL wrong and YOU alone are correct?
No sale.
You’ve been punked bu the neo-cons once again.
Own it, Jimmy mops the floor with your boy, George…
MiltonMan
October 26th, 2011
10:15 pm
Jay, don’t bank on it.
We cons never thought you libs would nominate a community organizer for pres.
getalife
October 26th, 2011
10:15 pm
Never give up like the gop wants to do with their default.
We are Americans and we don’t quit like the gop.
We are better than that failed corrupt party and have a opportunity for change right now.
Keep fighting.
Mick
October 26th, 2011
10:16 pm
getalife
Yes, you are correct, keep hammering away until the job is finished….
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 26th, 2011
10:16 pm
Oh well the bolsheviks are fluttering around this evening albeit in disarray, however, in their usual form of denial. The left is in serious decline and that’s a good thing in America.
Mick
October 26th, 2011
10:17 pm
milton
Errr….I do believe he was a US senator…
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
10:17 pm
MiltonMan
I’ll see you one community organizer and I’ll raise you one tired old Senator with no charisma, no plan, but it was his “turn” (Dole)
JKL2
October 26th, 2011
10:18 pm
AmVet- Got any similar nuggets about Carter?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index_(economics)
This is an area I truly believe obama could become the greatest at.
AmVet
October 26th, 2011
10:20 pm
Of course, the fake conservatives won’t admit they brought this country to the brink of complete collapse under George Bush.
Haven’t you heard? He’s one of the greatest presidents ever and was just trying to undo the massive destruction left behind by Jimmy Carter!
Mick
October 26th, 2011
10:20 pm
recon
The wind is at our back, your side just might get walloped next november. Congress is at 9% approval, the party of no will not be trusted with governing, because they are incapable…
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
10:21 pm
Recon
No response? Or am I one of the alleged Bolsheviks? Bonus points for knowing your left wing from your right, but my grandfather was a child in those years. Little chance I could have danced at that shindig, either way.
Jm
October 26th, 2011
10:22 pm
Another tale of: government work is yum yum good
Bloomberg
Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) — Jean Keller earned $269,810 last year working as a nurse at a men’s prison on California’s central coast by tripling her regular pay with overtime hours.
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
10:23 pm
mick,
you ever get hired for a job by a poor person…………class warfare template warning……when that’s all you have at the moment i understand, but in the end that’s a loser for you and the radical left…….and will cement a long vacation from leading this country for the dems….it’s funny how moderates have jumped ship and how the radical left is going down swinging….i don’t blame them and i encourage them to keep talking, please!!!
Butch Cassidy
October 26th, 2011
10:23 pm
Question: How can you tell which Republican candidate will not get the nomination from their party?
Answer: It’s the one polling highest at any given time.
AmVet
October 26th, 2011
10:23 pm
That’s it?
I list several, but certainly not all, of the gargantuan Bush F&ck Ups and you post a wiki link about the misery index?
Find a white flag, before you get hurt.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 26th, 2011
10:24 pm
The comrades find hope and change on Jay’s blog but reality escapes them. Pleasant dreams comrades. Taps
MiltonMan
October 26th, 2011
10:25 pm
Here is one of many, many articles (from the SF Gate of all places) discussing what a moron Carter was and still is today:
Author Steven F. Hayward, who has labeled Carter the “worst ex-president” certainly thinks so. In his book, “The Real Jimmy Carter: How Our Worst Ex-President Undermines American Foreign Policy, Coddles Dictators and Created the Party of Clinton and Kerry,” Hayward runs down the ways in which America continues to reap the legacy of Carter’s missteps, both during his presidential term and after.
When it comes to the belligerence of North Korea, Carter’s past involvement has done considerable damage. In the early 1990s, Carter traveled to North Korea on another of his “peacekeeping missions” and brokered a deal with dictator Kim Il Sung. He did so without the blessing of the Clinton administration, although, at the behest of then-Vice President Al Gore, President Clinton later agreed to adopt Carter’s deal. The United States ended up providing aid, oil and, incredibly, material for building light-water nuclear reactors to the North Koreans in exchange for their abandoning their nuclear weapons program. The problem is they didn’t abandon their nuclear weapons program; they just said they did. And in 2002, they admitted as much. Still, to this day, Carter claims that his approach was a success and that it was President Bush’s inclusion of North Korea in the famous “axis of evil” speech that led to current leader Kim Jong Il’s hostility toward America.
Jm
October 26th, 2011
10:25 pm
Deep south 9:34
We’re already looking at financial he’ll
Growth will not bail us out this time
It will have to be done with old fashioned spending cuts and tax increases
Butch Cassidy
October 26th, 2011
10:26 pm
Why don’t the Republicans just pull out the old Ronald Reagan puppet from the 80’s and run that up against Obama? Seriously, it couldn’t do a worse job than the current batch, and it might actually give Obama a run for his money.
AmVet
October 26th, 2011
10:28 pm
Boys, George had more f&ck ups in his first 100 days than Jimmy did in four years.
Then he really got rolling…
I know you rubes voted for him twice, but still.
Admit you screwed up really bad and just move on…
JKL2
October 26th, 2011
10:28 pm
getalife- Their character has really gone downhill. trump let daffy stay on his property
http://www.punditpress.com/2011/02/maummar-gaddafi-tied-to-rev-jeremiah.html
Looks like “daffy” and obama’s paster were buds. I guess it wouldn’t matter since obama didn’t listen to anything the man said for 20 years. Moral of the story: obama doesn’t listen…
For such an “educated” man it’s amaizing how he doesn’t learn.
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
10:28 pm
mick,
once again a branding issue and if hussein shapes the conversation correctly people will side with him and his horrible policies……just like healthcare, huh…….been there done, that….try again lib…….too easy
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
10:28 pm
Jm
I agree with you on parts, but growth has to be a factor or we’re looking at a Greece type situation. If you hold that it’s at that point now, then the ship is sunk either way.
Mick
October 26th, 2011
10:29 pm
billybob
That’s a silly question and has nothing to do with our economics although if it makes you feel good – use it. The problem is that the wealthy class has convinced a bunch of rubes to protect their interests and they are the ones who don’t give a hoot about you. In reality they are job destroyers because all they are interested in is more money. So, they ship it all to communist china ore wherever they can make an extra buck and while your wage either is stagnant or diminishes, you say, “thank you sir may I have another?” Sad but true…..
MiltonMan
October 26th, 2011
10:30 pm
Why compare Carter to Bush Jr? They are both losers and history currently shows them as such. This is a same argument as saying that Wassermann is better looking than Pelosi. Both are butt ugly.
JKL2
October 26th, 2011
10:32 pm
getalife- So blinded and brainwashed by ideology you can’t even admit the economy collapsed on w’s watch
No. I think you’ll find it all started going to he!! about the time the Demwits took control of congress. The worst of Bush (tarp, med D) is what you call the best of obama (obamacare, stimulous 1,2,3, working on 4)
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
10:33 pm
I think Recon tapped. Kinda disappointed. Was looking forward to hearing his logic on Buffett. Good night all. Back to lurking tomorrow.
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
10:34 pm
mick,
i guess that’s the mindset of someone who’s top advisor is a marketer……..it’s not the policies, stupid, it’s the branding of those socialist policies that are causing them to fail and not the actual failure of those said policies……my guess is the libs are learning a little something this evening fellow conservatives…..
Mick
October 26th, 2011
10:35 pm
deep south
Logic and recon really is not all that compatible….
AmVet
October 26th, 2011
10:36 pm
Milton and fellow Carter bashers,
Good that you gave up when you were behind.
http://tinyurl.com/3l92uty
Mick
October 26th, 2011
10:36 pm
billybob
Why don’t you cut to the chase and name some of these “socialist policies?”
Jm
October 26th, 2011
10:36 pm
Deep 10:28
Doesn’t have to be (sunk)
If politicians won’t cut spending (dems) they must be forced to raise taxes
Go back to pre bush rates, close loopholes, reform entitlements, and cut current spending from 24% to 21% (pre Obama spending level) and we’re done
JKL2
October 26th, 2011
10:36 pm
getalife- We are Americans and we don’t quit
I thought you wanted to turn us into a good country like France? The world leader in surrendering.
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
10:38 pm
Mick
Maybe, undoubtedly you’ve exchanged more with him than I have. I try hard to keep an open mind and exam issues from both sides as no one is every 100% and I haven’t seen too many instances of anyone being 100% wrong.
Jm
October 26th, 2011
10:38 pm
Deep south
And I have to reemphasize
Growth isn’t going to happen. Period
So no more stimulus. No more crazy ideas. No BS “hope”.
We need just old fashioned budget balancing and we need it now.
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
10:39 pm
I omitted “right” after the first 100%..sorry, tired.
JKL2
October 26th, 2011
10:39 pm
Mick- I do believe he was a US senator
Who did nothing for a couple years before he started campaigning (kind of like he’s doing now).
Carol Mosely Braun had more experience and I’m completely embarrassed to even bring up her name.
Jm
October 26th, 2011
10:40 pm
“….now”
But punt and change keeps putting off doing anything about the deficit
Vote Romney 2012
Mick
October 26th, 2011
10:40 pm
deep south
I don’t really have a problem with recon aside from the fact that I disagree with his ideology. Just having a little fun by getting in a few digs…
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
10:41 pm
mick,
it’s a simple question….one word…….if you can’t answer, shouldn’t you be in centennial park right about now complaining about people who have things that you wish to take from them b/c you deserve the same things…….is that equalization of outcome……redistribution……socialism…….the new democratic way led by the socialist in the white house……this mindset will lose in a landslide in 2012…..keep talking please…..
Mick
October 26th, 2011
10:41 pm
jkl
So, that’s why your a herman cain fan, all that gov’t experience, right?
JKL2
October 26th, 2011
10:42 pm
AmVet- Of course, the fake conservatives won’t admit they brought this country to the brink of complete collapse under George Bush
He wasn’t conservative. That was the problem. (Ever heard of the Tea Party?)
TaxPayer
October 26th, 2011
10:42 pm
You conned picked McCain who then picked SayRah as his running mate. That pretty much sums up the GOP’s incapabilities. Now you’re set to give us something worse than a re-run. You’d be better off just picking McCain again and praying that he picked a better candidate for VP the second time around.
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
10:43 pm
Jm
To take the position of no future growth is akin to saying that our country is “done”. Which makes us a very large and troublesome Greece scenerio. If that is the case, no future course of action will make any difference other than a massive reset. Which means we could elect a blind cat with one leg and still get the same results.
TaxPayer
October 26th, 2011
10:44 pm
Ever heard of the Tea Party?
What ever happened to those folks. Did the Koch crooks quit funding them after they started telling their candidates to keep their paws off their Medicare.
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
10:45 pm
define ’spread the wealth’ for me mick….straight from the horses mouth……another easy question
Mick
October 26th, 2011
10:46 pm
billbob
You know not of what you talk. I had the great fortune to live in the US circa 1950″s, you know what the tax rate for the wealthy was? 90% over a certain income, was that wealth redistribution too? You guys are so flaky when it comes to the rich, another 3 or 5% tax to them is zero, nothing, nada. Yeah they’ll complain but in the end they can afford it. Am I requesting all of their wealth – NO. You and your crony’s can’t get that wrapped around your thick skulls….
Kamchak
October 26th, 2011
10:46 pm
Author Steven F. Hayward, who has labeled Carter the “worst ex-president” certainly thinks so.
A fellow at the conservative AEI doesn’t like Carter?
I’ll act shocked and awed if it will make you feel any better.
JKL2
October 26th, 2011
10:49 pm
Deep South- I agree with you on parts, but growth has to be a factor or we’re looking at a Greece type situation
California dreams of becoming as financially solvent as Greece some day. Demwit utopia: share the pain.
Billybob
October 26th, 2011
10:49 pm
you’ll hear from them again in nov 2012 taxpayer….just like nov 2010……nice Lib 101 name-calling….feel like i’m back in 2nd grade with all the lib name-calling….it’s fun to see and hear….
Deep South Outlaw
October 26th, 2011
10:51 pm
JKL2
Share the pain or every man for himself? Those sum up the options, dont they?
Mick
October 26th, 2011
10:54 pm
The iced tea party? You mean all those grumpy leftovers from the mccain/palin rally’s? Inconsequential at this point, maybe they’ll regroup to simmer another day in an off year non- presidential election. Truthfully, that movement is all but dead, especially after the debt limit debacle, they cannot govern…