Why did Romney react so harshly to news of Iraqi withdrawal?

Last week, after President Obama’s announcement that U.S. troops would leave Iraq by the end of the year, GOP frontrunner Mitt Romney responded with a particularly harsh attack:

“President Obama’s astonishing failure to secure an orderly transition in Iraq has unnecessarily put at risk the victories that were won through the blood and sacrifice of thousands of American men and women. The unavoidable question is whether this decision is the result of a naked political calculation or simply sheer ineptitude in negotiations with the Iraqi government. The American people deserve to hear the recommendations that were made by our military commanders in Iraq.”

To many ears, the outburst seemed overwrought and tone deaf. From the beginning of our negotiations with Iraq dating back to the Bush administration, the most difficult stumbling block has been the guarantee of legal immunity for U.S. troops stationed in that country. The Bush administration wanted to ensure that if our men and women in uniform were charged with doing something wrong during their time in Iraq, they would be tried by American authorities, under American law. Because they couldn’t overcome Iraqi resistance to that provision, President Bush was forced to sign an agreement in 2008 committing the United States to leave Iraq by the end of 2011.

Upon taking office, President Obama and his team confronted that same resistance in attempting to extend the withdrawal deadline. And as Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki made clear over the weekend, that wasn’t going to change:

“When the Americans asked for immunity, the Iraqi side answered that it was not possible. The discussions over the number of trainers and the place of training stopped. Now that the issue of immunity was decided and that no immunity to be given, the withdrawal has started.”

Given Iraq’s intransigence on that critical issue, what alternative course would a President Romney have taken? Would he have surrendered to Iraqi demands and exposed our troops to Iraqi law, which under Iraq’s constitution is based on Islamic law? Under President Romney, would our men and women in uniform be stripped of their constitutional rights as Americans and be subject to arrest by Iraqi authorities, subject to trial in Iraqi courts, and subject to punishment in Iraqi prisons?

Or would President Romney simply keep our troops in Iraq without permission of the Iraqi government? That would have been quite an ending to a war ostensibly fought for Iraqi freedom, and in fact labeled “Operation Iraqi Freedom.” The irony would have been compounded by the fact that we would be in defiance of international law, the very charge we used against Saddam Hussein to justify our invasion. We would reveal ourselves to be conquerors, not liberators, just as our worst critics claimed.

However, the overly emotional response from the Romney camp becomes a little easier to understand, if not defend, once you look at the team of foreign-policy advisers assembled by the former Massachusetts governor to advise him.

It includes Eliot Cohen, who had advocated a U.S. invasion of Iraq for a decade prior to Sept. 11. Cohen was a founding member of the Project for a New American Century, a group of neoconservatives dedicated to a much more aggressive and militaristic posture by the United States. In fact, Romney selected Cohen to write the forward to his campaign’s foreign-policy “white paper,” titled “An American Century.”

Ten years ago, in December 2001, Cohen wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal headlined “Iraq Can’t Resist Us: The Gulf War was a cakewalk. The enemy is even weaker now.” He began pushing the line that, as he told CNN, “we do know that there is a connection with the 9/11 terrorists. We do know that Mohamed Atta, the ringleader of the 9/11 terrorists, met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague.” He also dismissed the silly notion that an invasion might risk a breakout of ethnic violence in post-invasion Iraq.

Even now, Cohen argues that the chief lesson of Iraq is not that we should not attempt such things in the future; the lesson is that when we do it again, we should do it more competently.

Other members of the Romney foreign-policy team have equally deep roots in the Iraq adventure and the neoconservative movement that pushed it. Cofer Black, a former CIA official, served as vice chairman of Blackwater USA from 2005 to 2008, a fact not mentioned in the biography provided by the Romney campaign.

Robert Kagan was a co-founder, along with Bill Kristol, of the Project for a New American Century and a longtime vocal advocate of invading Iraq. Eric Edelman served as a national security assistant to Vice President Dick Cheney in the early years of the Bush administration.

Dov Zakheim was also a charter member of the Project for a New American Century and had been part of the team assembled by Cheney to update then-candidate George Bush on foreign policy. He served as undersecretary of Defense under Donald Rumsfeld. Andrew Natsios served as head of USAID in the Bush administration, memorably promising the American public that total reconstruction costs in Iraq would come to no more than $1.7 billion

Paula Dobriansky, another neoconservative and PNAC signatory, was also a staunch advocate of using military force to remake the Middle East, as was Vin Weber, a former GOP congressman and PNAC signatory. Robert Joseph, a National Security Council adviser under Bush, arranged to smuggle an allegation that Saddam was seeking uranium into Bush’s 2003 State of the Union Address, a claim that later had to be withdrawn. And Meghan O’Sullivan and Dan Senor were top aides to Paul Bremer, the man who badly mismanaged the Coalition Provisional Authority in post-invasion Iraq. As Bremer’s spokesman, Senor in particular became infamous for insisting that great progress was being made, even as everyone else saw it all crumbling around their ears.

These are the people who dominate Romney’s foreign policy team. These are the people who would have his ear if he were to become our next president. Once that is understood, the reaction of the Romney team to Obama’s announcement becomes not only understandable. It becomes a warning.

– Jay Bookman

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stands for decibels

October 25th, 2011
8:16 am

Once that is understood, the reaction of the Romney team to Obama’s announcement becomes not only understandable. It becomes a warning.

…that Obama might just beat him like a yard dog, rather than beating him just regular.

seriously, who the hell in the USA wants a repeat of Chimpy McWarhardon’s Excellent Eye-rack adventure? what percentage? twelve, thirteen, maybe?

Normal

October 25th, 2011
8:18 am

I think that ol’ Mitt knows that if he is beaten out by any one of those other GOP Goobers, his political ambitions are done. So, he works so hard to prevent that, that he is becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. See today’s Luckovich…

Bottom line, the GOP has nothing.

ty webb

October 25th, 2011
8:21 am

How many times did you use “neoconservative” Jay? What are you trying to do, give Amvet a heart attack? Me thinks he may need a cigarette after reading this.

Granny Godzilla

October 25th, 2011
8:21 am

Why?

Because Romney needs Rove.

Brad Spencer

October 25th, 2011
8:23 am

“…the lesson is that when we do it again, we should do it more competently.” I don’t say we should do it again but I’d say he’s on to a truth. Remove the word “more” and you have a better depiction of the reality.

And all Americans should ponder whether it is at all possible for ANYTHING cooked up, backed, and conducted by the PNAC-types to be done competently. They’re doing it on our money, in our name, with our reputation in the balance. For us the lesson is “Don’t let PNAC-types seize control of or foreign policy.”

Misty Fyed

October 25th, 2011
8:25 am

The GOP may have nothing…But that is twice as much as the dems have.

carlosgvv

October 25th, 2011
8:26 am

Romney has already demonstrated he will say and do anything to get the Republican nomination. He also knows that the rabid right would drop him like an atheist if he said anything good about Obama. This is just another example of the good ole lying mud slinging American politics we have learned is here to stay. Of course, if he actually believes what he is saying, as president he would leave our troops there to be at the tender mercies of Islamic law. I wonder how many of the Republican faithful believe that would be a good idea?

Misty Fyed

October 25th, 2011
8:27 am

Maybe the answer to our political division should be handled at the grass roots level. If the repubs agree to never again elect a George Bush, will the Dems agree to never again elect an Obama?

southdem

October 25th, 2011
8:27 am

You’re giving Romney and the GOP too much credit. They don’t actually think and plan, they just reflexively hate whatever Obama does. That works for their base which is all they need to worry about right now. By next summer they will have painted themselves into a corner they can’t get out of with the rest of us. November 2012’s headlines will read “Obama reelected with 400+ electoral votes!”

Call it like it is

October 25th, 2011
8:30 am

Not to get off topic, but say what you will about the war good or bad. Can you name any other country in history that invaded another country got rid of the dictator in charge then gives the country right back to its citizens to let them govern? Not only have we done that, but that country has made it clear our soldiers must abide by their laws and if they don’t we must leave, and now we leave. We could stay if we wanted to, we could take over if we wanted too. But that’s not how we roll. I’m glad our boys and girls are coming home and I’m glad we are respecting the wishes of the Iraq government.

Would Russia, China have done the same?

Jay

October 25th, 2011
8:31 am

Call It, would ROMNEY do the same?

Granny Godzilla

October 25th, 2011
8:31 am

Misty

How about a counter offer…the GOP agrees to never elect another Bush type and the democrats make sure they don’t.

Peadawg

October 25th, 2011
8:32 am

“President Obama and his team confronted that same resistance in attempting to extend the withdrawal deadline.”

I’m surprised this little tidbit of information hasn’t gotten more attention. The fact that Obama tried to extend the deadline after taking office, then makes a campaign speech saying “See, I kept my promise about withdrawing troops” really makes me mad. We should expect him to atleast be honest and forthcoming about it but it’s all about getting re-elected.

Jerome Horwitz

October 25th, 2011
8:34 am

It’s just politics – if Obama had announced an extension Romney would be denouncing leaving the troops there. Face it – the Iraqi’s want us out of their country. Think of our Revolution – we hated having the Lobsterbacks amongst us.

Granny Godzilla

October 25th, 2011
8:35 am

“gives the country right back”

How long is “right back”?

Bush said “mission accomplished” May 1st 2003…..

kind of a lag

Normal

October 25th, 2011
8:35 am

This probably better suited for below, but…I love it!
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Ore. city’s schools to allow anti-war groups

The Associated Press
Posted : Monday Oct 24, 2011 19:26:27 EDT

PORTLAND, Ore. — The Portland school board on Monday was set to adopt a policy that gives anti-war “counter-recruiters” the same access to high school students that the military gets.

The policy is like those already in place in Seattle, San Francisco and some other cities, the Oregonian newspaper reported.

“What we want is a balanced account of military service,” said school board member Matt Morton, one of at least four board members supporting the policy.

Beginning in 1995, the Portland school board banned military recruitment in schools, primarily because of the military’s discrimination against gays. But in 2001, the federal No Child Left Behind law required that military recruiters get the same access to public high school campuses and to students’ addresses and home phone numbers that college recruiters do.

“We have difficulty making inroads to even get into those Portland schools,” said Lt. Col. Cary Miller, chief operations officer for Oregon Army National Guard recruiting. “My recruiting force is a professional force. They’re not going to step out of line or lie to kids.”

He said his recruiters try to reach Portland teens less directly, through sponsoring basketball tournaments, staffing booths at festivals and putting a float in the city’s Rose Parade.

The War Resisters League, Veterans for Peace and other groups hold regular sidewalk protests outside Portland high schools, said John Grueschow, coordinator of the Resisters League’s military and draft counseling programs.

“We feel that, since the military is required to be let in there, there should be some response,” Grueschow said. “We should have the same opportunity they do to present students information.”

The board planned to ask district staffers to prepare an information packet for distribution at every high school to tell students about military recruiting tactics, their right to have their contact information withheld from the military and other post-high school options for students to serve their country, including AmeriCorps.

St Simons - we're on Island time

October 25th, 2011
8:35 am

wait now, everybody can’t jump out of the clown car at once

Perry jumped out yesterday, declaring himself a birther.

who you gonna have left, cons?

Talking Head

October 25th, 2011
8:36 am

In other news, Keith Olberman is still a d-bag….

Peadawg

October 25th, 2011
8:39 am

“the GOP agrees to never elect another Bush type and the democrats make sure they don’t.” – Agreed. So let’s not elect Obama in 2012. Obama is Bush-Lite, Granny, whether you want to admit it or not. He tried to extend the deadline for cryin out loud.

USinUK

October 25th, 2011
8:39 am

“Perry jumped out yesterday, declaring himself a birther.”

and for the most pathetic of reasons: because it’s “fun” to “poke at him”

oh, yeah. he’s a serious candidate, all right

:roll:

USinUK

October 25th, 2011
8:40 am

Talking head – but no one does better play-by-play for high speed chases than Olbermann.

jm

October 25th, 2011
8:41 am

Fair criticism of Romney. The guy would still be a better President than Obama.

stands for decibels

October 25th, 2011
8:42 am

Obama is Bush-Lite

so you love to say. What do you call Mittens, who last time around told us he wanted to “double Gitmo”? “Bush Xtra-Douchey”?

deegee

October 25th, 2011
8:43 am

Romney can’t be taken seriously during a political campaign. The more important point is the ultra conservative, war mongering advisers that will end up in leadership positions should Romney become president. If Romney wants to make good on his campaign promise to put Americans back to work, you can expect a WWII strategy where war is the centerpiece of the strategy. My guess is that if Romney becomes president, it would be a matter of months before we invade Iran.

Daedalus

October 25th, 2011
8:43 am

Mitt sez “if Obama’s fer it,, I’m agin it; if he’s agin it, I’m fer it.”

I put that in local jargon so it would be understandable.

Granny Godzilla

October 25th, 2011
8:43 am

Peadawg

I appreciate your opinion, but I think it’s wrong.

You and Jame Hamsher related?

Granny Godzilla

October 25th, 2011
8:45 am

Peadawg

That would be Jane….

Peadawg

October 25th, 2011
8:45 am

“so you love to say. What do you call Mittens, who last time around told us he wanted to “double Gitmo”? “Bush Xtra-Douchey”?”

Honestly, I don’t know what the f to make of Romney. The guy is all over the place.

November 2012 is going to suck if Obama and Romney is who we have to choose from. It’s sad that out of all the people in Washington, this is what we get. Really sad.

jm

October 25th, 2011
8:45 am

Call it 8:30 good call

stands for decibels

October 25th, 2011
8:45 am

You and Ja[n]e Hamsher related?

heh.

Call it like it is

October 25th, 2011
8:45 am

Call It, would ROMNEY do the same?

Jay I would always hope that the desires and wants of one man would not dictate our actions and I would hope that Romney would have dont know.

Granny. What did you expect, we go in there bomb everything then leave. No they stayed, created a government, get water plants on line, get powerlines on line and help a fledging democracy get started. Its fine throw you jab at Bush, but I’m talking about our country as a whole. We conquered a country, built them up and we now leave. How long were we in Germany, Japan after the war?

Peadawg

October 25th, 2011
8:45 am

I don’t even know who that is, Granny.

stands for decibels

October 25th, 2011
8:47 am

Honestly, I don’t know what the f to make of Romney. The guy is all over the place.

makes two of us, PD. Heck, I mighta voted for the 1994 version over Ted, if I lived in Mass. at the time.

Lord Help Us

October 25th, 2011
8:48 am

Interesting…the one sneering ‘naked political calculation’ is much more guilty of the charge…

I have said before that a Romney/Obama choice might be a tough one for me to make.

This type of destructive political calculation on Romney’s part may help him stay to the right of the other GOP contenders, but it degrades him in the eyes of moderates.

Mick

October 25th, 2011
8:48 am

Another signatory to Project for a New American Century, would be jeb bush, beware in 2016, it would be more of the same…

Granny Godzilla

October 25th, 2011
8:49 am

Peadawg

Consider it an opportunity to learn then.

USinUK

October 25th, 2011
8:49 am

“Honestly, I don’t know what the f to make of Romney. The guy is all over the place. ”

yep – pick an issue and Mittens has been both fer it and agin it

Granny Godzilla

October 25th, 2011
8:51 am

Call it like it is

what jab?

I posted a truth.

ty webb

October 25th, 2011
8:51 am

“yep – pick an issue and Mittens has been both fer it and agin it”

how does that relate to “protest votes”? just wondering…and he’s a politician, unfortunately, it’s his job to be all over the place on issues…you have to cater to the most perceptions possible.

Peadawg

October 25th, 2011
8:54 am

“Consider it an opportunity to learn then.”

Sure, send me some kind of link. I’m not googling it for you.

Jimmy62

October 25th, 2011
8:54 am

I love how Obama is presenting this as a victory for himself, when in fact he’s leaving with his tail between his legs because his diplomatic efforts to stay longer made a loser out of him.

Mick

October 25th, 2011
8:55 am

jimmy

The true loser is the dude that put us into this ten year sand trap…

Bosch

October 25th, 2011
8:56 am

“you have to cater to the most perceptions possible”

ty,

Good grief, there is that, but not down right change your position on an issue from one day to the next, heck, one audience in one day to the next.

MITTENS!! is pulling a McCain — he’s a moderate forced to succumb to the far right’s nut jobs just to get nominated — it didn’t work for McCain, and it will not work for him.

USinUK

October 25th, 2011
8:56 am

ty – “how does that relate to “protest votes”?”

???

please, to elaborate

Bosch

October 25th, 2011
8:57 am

And Obama needs to jump on this — he needs to alert everyone to the agenda of PNAC and their twisted sick little plans to dominate the world. This is his election to lose.

Peadawg

October 25th, 2011
8:57 am

So nobody on here is upset about Obama trying to extend the deadline? Does he get a pass on this or something?

Granny Godzilla

October 25th, 2011
8:58 am

peadawg

you won’t google Jane Hamsher?

your loss.

Jm

October 25th, 2011
8:58 am

Romney would almost certainly have done the same thing as Obama. But it’s the political season and silly things will be said. Jay, relax.

Romney will make a great President.

stands for decibels

October 25th, 2011
8:59 am

Enter your comments here

Bosch

October 25th, 2011
8:59 am

“So nobody on here is upset about Obama trying to extend the deadline? ”

Yes, Pea, I am — but there is a difference between some random blogger getting their dander up (me) and the POTUS making the best decision based on information that he is only privy too. This isn’t like packing up the van after a long camping trip, it takes a little time.

Jm

October 25th, 2011
8:59 am

Perry plan coverage up on the WSJ in opinion

Bosch

October 25th, 2011
8:59 am

no stands, I will not.

stands for decibels

October 25th, 2011
8:59 am

Sure, send me some kind of link.

PD, will it help to know she’s, um, what’s the word… yummy?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/08/04/nyregion/04blog.1901.jpg

naw, probably not helpful.

Matti's Revulsion

October 25th, 2011
9:01 am

Mr. Bookman, thank you for printing the truth about what’s behind their present whining!

I was hip to this PNAC boosheeet back in 2004, when people were calling me unAmerican for not supporting the Bush boy in his bid to send even more of our soldiers to their deaths for his imperial ($$$) conquests. These people do not believe in the America that we grew up believing in; they believe in establishing their own plutocratic rule wherever they can make a tax-sheltered buck. They’re deciders, and think we need to shut up and do what they say. Will “REAL” Americans finally call them out for the TRAITORS they are?

stands for decibels

October 25th, 2011
9:01 am

Romney will make a great President.

…to ensure the plutocracy continues its stranglehold on what’s left of the american middle class.

…for me to poop on

…to suck and to be convicted and jailed

(join me, won’t you?)

Paul

October 25th, 2011
9:01 am

These advisors just won’t go away. They’ve got quite a self-supporting network. They wormed into the Bush Administration, they try to resurrect with the Republican candidates.

But it’s not just those guys who provide the outlook and talking points. Even the military has its problems with senior officers, even if retired. Last night General Keane, ex Army Chief of Staff and a principle advisor/architect of US policy in post-invasion Iraq, provided some pretty strong, biased criticism, right in line with what one would expect from a neocon political flak. The reason, according to retired General Keane, is not immunity. That’s not even worth mentioning. The real reason, says Keane, is the Iraqis wanted a strategic relationship with us, the Obama Administration didn’t want that so they looked elsewhere.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1236267583001/iraq-withdrawal-plan-a-disaster/

go to about 4 minutes 5 seconds.

So Romney gets his civilian advice, it’s supported by a 4-star Army general, and it’s off to the races.

Romney could use a little diversity in his staff.

ty webb

October 25th, 2011
9:01 am

Bosch,
they all do it, some are just better at masking it… dems have to cater to far left nut jobs…hence Obama’s slight embrace of the “Occusquatters” after being bought and paid for by “Wall St”.

Paul

October 25th, 2011
9:02 am

make that General Keane, ex Army VICE Chief of Staff

Peadawg

October 25th, 2011
9:02 am

“Yes, Pea, I am — but”

but nothing. He lied during his campaign speech saying he kept he campaign promise. He “kept” it only after he almost didn’t. Not telling the whole truth is the same as lying.

Peadawg

October 25th, 2011
9:03 am

“PD, will it help to know she’s, um, what’s the word… yummy?”

If that’s “yummy” to you then we very different tastes.

Armed Liberal

October 25th, 2011
9:03 am

Romney has no real compass on FP issues and barely one on Domestic issues. He’s surrounded himself with bitter partisans hell bent on proving that “they were right” using distortions and lies as facts.

Obama will kick his butt if he can kiss enough crazy rear-ends to become the default GOP Candidate.

Jm

October 25th, 2011
9:03 am

Bosch 8:59 subscribes to the Cain methodology on foreign policy :)

Also- Perry readying counter offensive

stands for decibels

October 25th, 2011
9:04 am

PD, get back to me in about twenty years…

lynnie gal

October 25th, 2011
9:04 am

Romney, the mega flip-flopper, would do exactly what Obama is doing if he was prez. He’d be pulling troops out, as law decrees, by January. He’s on a ship of fools right now trying to get the R nomination so he spouts knee-jerk, (or just plain jerk) opposition diatribes about Obama. Because he is so disingenuous and surrounds himself with the same neoCons who counsel continuous war as policy for American, he is not fit for the presidency.

stands for decibels

October 25th, 2011
9:06 am

Anyhow, PD, beyond the superficial–the reason GG made the somewhat catty comment to you about being related to Jane is (one presumes) that she turned on Obama over the Affordable Care Act and has become kind of the poster child for the Disaffected Left ever since.

(Me? anyone who provides hosting space to Tbogg can’t be all bad.)

Gotta run. Be excellent to one another…

Butch Cassidy

October 25th, 2011
9:06 am

Damn, it’s like the Kobyashi Maru test. If Obama stays, then he’s breaking his campaign promise to get us out, and it would suddenly be “a war that we cannot afford”. If he pulls out, then Romney pisses and moans because he’s leaving to early. Can someone from the GOP please tell me when I can actually expect a Presidential candidate from them?

Don't Tread

October 25th, 2011
9:09 am

Saddam needed to go. Period. He was a Hitler wannabe and we are all better off now that he’s burning in Hell, extra crispy.

Ahmanahole needs to join him and Quaddafi, though I don’t think we should invade Iran to do it. When he attempts to make good on his threat against the Israelis, they will take care of him.

Granny Godzilla

October 25th, 2011
9:10 am

Stands

Peadawg prides himself on knowing all he needs to know….

Understanding that, when he gets back to you in 20 years he won’t be much different.

Peadawg

I like you and believe you have undiscovered potential!

Jm

October 25th, 2011
9:10 am

One question for Romney would say it all: will you raise taxes on the carried interest tax loophole that your business benefits from, in return for lower overall marginal rates?

Bosch

October 25th, 2011
9:11 am

ty,

“hence Obama’s slight embrace of the “Occusquatters” after being bought and paid for by “Wall St”.”

A little different between a small high five to some protestors vs. completely changing your beliefs and what you say you think about issues just to win a nomination.

Newtpewt

October 25th, 2011
9:12 am

Talk of Deficits and Debt will disappear if the GOP re-gains the White House, and Dick Cheney’s desktop slogan, “Deficits don’t matter” will once again be policy as we SPEND and SPEND more for the military industrial and war-making complex. We’ll launch more unfunded wars, sending our Deficits into Infinity. The T-Party protests of Government Spending will then glaringly go silent. And our nation would have learned ABSOLUTELY nothing from the past decade.

Jay

October 25th, 2011
9:13 am

Interesting that the most stirring defense of Romney offered here is that he didn’t really mean it.

The problem is, given this lineup of advisers, he DOES really mean it.

mm

October 25th, 2011
9:13 am

Obama – “It was cold today”.

Repubs – It was hot today”.

Obama – “The sky is blue”.

Repubs – “The sky is green”.

See a pattern here?

Allan Hytowitz

October 25th, 2011
9:15 am

To approve of President Obama’s “agreement” for the removal of US troops from Iraq might force the RepubiCON candidates to admit that our invasion of Iraq in 2003 was illegal (even by US law standards) and based upon false pretenses.
RepubliCONS don’t like to admit that they have been lied to or are lying. THAT’S why I left the Party after 40 years.

Cal

October 25th, 2011
9:16 am

Obama is an accomplished assassin. He could have taken out Sadr.

Bosch

October 25th, 2011
9:16 am

“Saddam needed to go. Period. He was a Hitler wannabe and we are all better off now that he’s burning in Hell, extra crispy.”

Problem with that kind of thinking is that there are those across the pond on the other side of the planet who feel the same way about our leaders. Only difference is that we carry it out — what happens when they do?

It’s not another country’s job to unilaterally make that call.

MC

October 25th, 2011
9:16 am

You know the GOP is toast when they can’t come up with a candidate that can beat Obama. The salvation of the GOP lies in telling the right wing wing and the theocrats to go to hell. Until then forget it.

Jm

October 25th, 2011
9:17 am

Perry’s tax plan: not loco

Peadawg

October 25th, 2011
9:17 am

“To approve of President Obama’s “agreement” for the removal of US troops ” – First, Bush signed the agreement in 2008. Second, Obama tried to extend the deadline past December 31st of this year.

Armed Liberal

October 25th, 2011
9:17 am

Jay

October 25th, 2011
9:13 am

Of course Romney means it. He doesn’t understand the issues at hand and his advisors provide nice tight slogans to spew and half-truths to rail about.

It’s not that Romney is anti-Obama, it’s that he’s anti-reality.

And that’s the best the GOP can do, and it is scary.

Bosch

October 25th, 2011
9:18 am

mm,

Yeah, it’s been my opinion lately that Obama just needs to agree with everything the GOP says and then they’d do the opposite (what he really wants) :)

Paul

October 25th, 2011
9:18 am

mm

“See a pattern here?”

Pres Obama doesn’t know his colors and thinks his air conditioned office is what everyone else experiences ’cause he’s out of touch?

Jm

October 25th, 2011
9:19 am

I don’t think Perry actually wrote his plan summary……

Question

October 25th, 2011
9:20 am

I don’t care who is right or worng here..

I am just happy that the 823 Billion mistake is over..

1811/0311

October 25th, 2011
9:20 am

JAY:

1) Are U.S. troops in South Korea, Europe, Italy, Afghanistan (in combat), Africa (in combat) and many, many other places in the world under immunity?

2) Are (were) U.S. military air crews under immunity for any place they may be called on to respond to if they are shot down and captured?

3) Was I under immunity in Vietnam (I really don’t know).

4) Is the real reason we are absolutely appalled by “so-called” Islamic justice as compared to other forms of criminal judgement?

P.S. April 30, 1975

Peadawg

October 25th, 2011
9:21 am

“It’s not another country’s job to unilaterally make that call.” – Agreed.

But it was ok to help in Libya? It’s ok send 100 troops to help in…forgot what country…?? It’s ok if a Democrat does it?

Jm

October 25th, 2011
9:23 am

Jay 9:13 you doth protest too much. I’m glad your crystal ball into romney’s mind thought and ideas is working so well.

Every major republican candidate is more interested in fixing the economy than getting us into more wars

mm

October 25th, 2011
9:23 am

Yeah, just a few weeks ago some on the right were complaining that we were still in Iraq.

Then when Obama ended this disaster, well you know where I’m going with this.

Jay

October 25th, 2011
9:23 am

Scout, immunity is a standard feature of status-of-forces agreements for U.S. military personnel. You had it yourself in South Vietnam.

Paul

October 25th, 2011
9:23 am

Scout

“1) Are U.S. troops in South Korea, Europe, Italy, Afghanistan (in combat), Africa (in combat) and many, many other places in the world under immunity?”

and the others –

You may want to rethink touting your military background if you’re going to ask such questions -

Bosch

October 25th, 2011
9:23 am

And for anyone who feels the US should not be the world’s policeman, then PNAC is not for you — that was their main objective. And anyone who uses these nuts as advisors — as Jay mentioned, it should be a HUGE warning.

Jm

October 25th, 2011
9:27 am

Scout 9:20
They’re subject to local law off base. Remember the Japan rape fiascos?

Bosch

October 25th, 2011
9:27 am

Honestly, the PNACers remind me of “The Brain” as in “Pinky and The Brain” and his quest for world domination.

USinUK

October 25th, 2011
9:27 am

“Every major republican candidate is more interested in fixing the economy …”

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320×320/317424_2551044420124_1374292656_2952733_593109946_n.jpg

just sayin

Paul

October 25th, 2011
9:27 am

Bosch

“it should be a HUGE warning.”

Agreed. When assessing candidates, one should look not just at the actions, but the underlying philosophy guiding those actions.

If one doesn’t have a record of actions, then the philosophy that will lead to actions must be given even more careful consideration.

If those guys are kept on, this could go into the ‘dealbreaker’ category.

mm

October 25th, 2011
9:28 am

“Every major republican candidate is more interested in fixing the economy than getting us into more wars”

Sure, that’s why they’ve spent so much time talking about jobs during the debates.

Normal

October 25th, 2011
9:28 am

Peadawg

October 25th, 2011
9:21 am

In Lybia, we were asked, We let others lead and we offered support. And unlike Iraq, we didn’t go in undermanned and with guns blazing.

As to the Congo and “The Lord’s Army, yes, I believe it is the correct thing to do, and again, we are not launching a full scale invasion and sending billions of dollars on pallets to disappear.

Bosch

October 25th, 2011
9:29 am

Paul,

“If those guys are kept on, this could go into the ‘dealbreaker’ category.”

Zactly, I certainly didn’t know this about Romney, and Obama needs to be screaming this from the hills.

Gman

October 25th, 2011
9:30 am

I love Romney’s new nickname, “Mittens”! :o )

Paul

October 25th, 2011
9:31 am