More evidence that Iraq, Afghan wars have stretched too long

And the supercommittee is talking about cutting benefits to our veterans….. shame. It’s time to end these wars, bring them home, and be sure they are taken care of to the best of our financial ability.

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I used to go to the VA hospital to visit friends and others back after “Nam. I stayed out until ‘75, so I could go weekly. It Was a way to salve my survivors guilt and hopefully do some good. I hope their are people (Iraqi vets) out there who are willing to do that for our current group of war casualties…

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Well, that guy must of been in combat for 10 straight years. I mean, heck, you figure in three years you might could get two or three different moves in the Army. But 14 in 10 years? Somebody up near the top must not of liked the guy.

I don’t know. Just bring them all home. Now we’re hearing from the Afghanistan president that if the U.S. and Pakistan ever went to war with each other, he would side with Pakistan. This after we spent billions of dollars and buckets of our boys’ blood to prop this guy in the cape and the weird cap up? Bring them home. Let those people cut each other into little pieces. They’re going to wind up with a bloody dictator anyhow. We don’t need to be spending our money and sacrificing our youth to decide which dictator winds up on top.

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Ma’am? Oh that is so wrong!

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sorry, I didn’t know your gender……

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martin, no problem! Not offended and glad to have your support!

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“That’s what you choose to add?”

Jay – that’s the written equivielent of “some people are not listening to your conversation, they are merely waiting for their chance to speak”

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Sinkwich

Say what? Oh, please, Girlfriend, you strike me as a closet case, self-hating, mean spirited t*rd…

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“One can only give what one has”

Yeah, well…why am I reminded of “tis better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt”?

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I think there needs to be a national dialogue about what we gained from our investment of thousands of lives and billions of dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan. In both countries there’s the real possibility that when we pull out they’ll revert to what they were before, or even worse.

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Speaking of psychopathology, yesterday a chemical bomb was tossed into a gathering of people participating in Occupy Maine.

So far the incident has received very little media coverage.

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“Really Sinkwich?

That’s what you choose to add?”

Yep, Jay.

Sgt. Domeij is a true American hero who felt so strongly about defending our great country against its enemies he deployed into combat 14 times. His death is a tragedy but a price I’m sure he felt was necessary to ensure our freedoms, like the hundreds of thousands of heroes who paid the ultimate price since America’s founding.

Yet you, Jay, have decided that “More evidence that Iraq, Afgan wars have stretched too long” is his epitaph.

Do you think Sgt. Domeij would approve?

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JAY

Don’t get me wrong…I’m not “blaming” the media any more than I am “blaming” the rest of us, self included. Let me go one step further with that, if I may and take my own share of the “blame.” When our boy was deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan, never a day went by that I didn’t consciously think about it and not a waking moment it wasn’t in my subconscious, but now he’s safely home…”oh, yeah, that’s right…” Slap me in the face and remind me that there are hundreds of thousands who are still consumed by the thoughts…

As for the all-volunteer military…yes, very much what you said “something else happening somewhere else to somebody else.” Put a yellow ribbon on the car next to the “support our troops” bumper sticker and sleep well…

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What a shame. This young man gave his life for his country without the opportunity to live a life outside the military.

With the economy having started tanking after 9/11 he possibly saw the military as the only way to support his family and may have paid the ultimate price for the folly of the BS artists in DC.

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“but I don’t think it is a fitting tribute to use him as a pawn in some of these petty arguments”

And I don’t think it’s pettty at all to ask if we should have sent him to die where and why he did.

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common sense

“With the economy having started tanking after 9/11 he possibly saw the military as the only way to support his family and may have paid the ultimate price for the folly of the BS artists in DC.”

Don’t take this the wrong way, please, but that connection of “only way to support his family” with the choice of the military as a career is not properly respectful of those who choose the armed forces their lives… I am a pacifist and when our boy made that choice, I had to come to terms with the fact that he was continuing a pre-Columbian family tradition, he being descended from the warrior caste of the Choctaw and his and Unmentionable’s family a military family…there was much more at work in his choice, and I am assuming this man’s as well…

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Doggone,

Ask the President, he has had 3 years to end it.

You get the last word word, I don’t have time to spend 24/7 in Jays blog like you kids do.

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Steve

Then what are you doing here at all? A bit on the uppity side there, aren’t you?

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“A bit on the uppity side there, aren’t you? ”

I read it that I hit a nerve

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Ask the President, he has had 3 years to end it.

Perhaps Steve did not get the word about Iraq and December.

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Weak, Jay, weak.

You really think he would be proud of the epitaph you ascribed to him?

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josef:

Subject: HOW THE INTERNET GOT STARTED

>In ancient Israel, it came to pass that a trader by the name of
>Abraham Com did take unto himself a young wife by the name of Dot.
>And Dot Com was a comely woman, broad of shoulder and long of leg.
>Indeed, she was often called Amazon Dot Com.
>And she said unto Abraham, her husband, “Why dost thou travel so far
>from town to town with thy goods when thou canst trade without ever
>leaving thy tent?”
>And Abraham did look at her as though she were several saddle bags
>short of a camel load, but simply said, “How, dear?”
>And Dot replied, “I will place drums in all the towns and drums in
>between to send messages saying what you have for sale, and they will
>reply telling you who hath the best price. And the sale can be made
>on the drums and delivery made by Uriah’s Pony Stable (UPS).”
>Abraham thought long and decided he would let Dot have her way with
>the drums. And the drums rang out and were an immediate success.
>Abraham sold all the goods he had at the top price, without ever
>having to move from his tent. To prevent neighboring countries from
>overhearing what the drums were saying, Dot devised a system that only
>she and the drummers knew. It was known as Must Send Drum Over Sound
>(MSDOS), and she also developed a language to transmit ideas and
>pictures – Hebrew To The People (HTTP).
>And the young men did take to Dot Com’s trading as doth the greedy
>horsefly take to camel dung. They were called Nomadic Ecclesiastical
>Rich Dominican Sybarites, or NERDS.
>And lo, the land was so feverish with joy at the new riches and the
>deafening sound of drums that no one noticed that the real riches were
>going to that enterprising drum dealer, Brother William of Gates, who
>bought off every drum maker in the land. And indeed did insist on
>drums to be made that would work only with Brother Gates’ drumheads
>and drumsticks.
>And Dot did say, “Oh, Abraham, what we have started is being taken
>over by others.” And Abraham looked out over the Bay of Ezekiel, or
>eBay as it came to be known. He said, “We need a name that reflects
>what we are.”
>And Dot replied, “Young Ambitious Hebrew Owner Operators.” “YAHOO,”
>said Abraham. And because it was Dot’s idea, they named it YAHOO Dot
>Com.
>Abraham’s cousin, Joshua, being the young Gregarious Energetic
>Educated Kid (GEEK) that he was, soon started using Dot’s drums to
>locate things around the countryside. It soon became known as God’s
>Own Official Guide to Locating Everything (GOOGLE).
>That is how it all began. And that’s the truth.”

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Recon:

The war with Islamic Jihadists (like cancer) will never end. What may end is our will to fight it.

In my opinion, the fight must be shared by America at large. That has never happened.

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Three more?

June, 2010–US Soldier Deaths in Afghanistan Rise 273% & Wounded Rise 430% in Two Years

The White House, the Pentagon, and the mainstream media have minimized attention to alarming increases in deaths and casualties suffered by US soldiers in Afghanistan since 2008, the Peace and Justice Resource Center has reported. President Obama’s current escalation is expected to sharply increase the already disturbing numbers.

Total US wounded in Afghanistan for the entire year of 2009: 2,131 [Between January to April: 181].

Why has Bookman waited until now to mention deaths? Obama’s just war, his right war, his good war, has been an even more deadly war.

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How many deployments did you serve scout and del?

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58,272 ……………… Names on “The Wall”

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I thought the war in Iraq was supposed to be paid for with all their oil?

That they would be so grateful to their liberators that the would turn the spigots on full and we (the US only) would be awash in the stuff.

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99……………………. bottles of beer on the wall.

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Creed, I presume you supported Cindy Sheehan’s efforts to end the Dual Quagmires?

I gather you denounced Bill O’Reilly for saying that Americans who continued to protest after the bombs started falling in Iraq were un-American?

I suppose you decried CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC and Fox for having on the air exactly two anti-war voices out of the 80pro-war talking heads in the days immediately following shock and awe?

I’m certain you raised your voice loudly and steadily throughout the years of 2003 – 2008 beseeching that administration to stop the endless screw ups and massive loss of American lives?

Or did you do as virtually every other rabid Republican?

Say and do nothing?

Except to vote right back into office that deadly, inept, recidivist criminal administration?

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I guess my question was too hard for del and scout to answer.

I thought it was a simple question.

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Did Del have to clean off his doorstep. I can only hope so, given the hyperbole.

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The story itself is bad enough without having it be politicized.

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And they wonder why corrupt congress polls at a all time low and can’t be trusted.

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The story itself is bad enough without having it be politicized.

I suppose we could always pretend that it’s not.

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Occupy is a true soldiers best defense. Stop sending runts to fight for silver spoons!

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Some of our troops are protesting.

Some of them support Ron Paul because he is anti war.

del and scout tow their failed party line.

Sad.

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I heard the Occupy Wall Street US citizens could use some help with the trash. They are quite the efficient bunch and most excellent recyclers (I think the plants have never been greener) but there is a limit to what they can accomplish in such tight quarters without the benefit of one of those many barges that the place normally uses to haul off all the trash generated by the residents. Out of sight, out of mind, I suppose.

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“Warriors deal with death. They take life away from others. This is normally the role of God. Asking young warriors to take on that role without adequate psychological and spiritual preparation can lead to damaging consequences …………. For the most part they have been left to do this on their own.”

“What It’s Like To Go To War” by Karl Marlantes

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War! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing….

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Here’s a little something for our science-challenged Republican brethren.

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Cons are chicken shart

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Rubio lied!

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Damn right I ordered the code red! Con chicken hawks be damned!

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bman,

If you can’t keep up try laying off the drink or two or twenty.

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You’re giving Bookman a heartburn, Sinkwich.

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Oops.

All over the MAP…

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You ever been in a Turkish prison?

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Jack

Wear gloves…no fingerprints or DNA…

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Brings troops home !!!
Not so fast.
Troops should stay longer until they pay their dues for terrorizing the people of Iraq and Afganistan.
If/when they come back home they will be irrecognisable monsters as menace to their families and society.
Go On patriots keep waving stars and stripes and send murder gangs called US Army to murder brown skinned peole everywhere they try to occupy.

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“Dulce Bellum Inexpertis”

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The puny voice from the left as reflected on this blog will continue its puny irrelevance until it’s mostly muted in this country. They’re foolishness has been unveiled to the American public as evidenced in last years national election and while the displacement of political tools will continue in 012, tremendous damage to our country has already been done.

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AmVet, I did not vote for Obama.

No, you made an even more egregious error in judgement, you voted for the worst ever.

Twice.

Speaking of inexplicable, this desperate lunacy by the GOP sheep and their wholesale smearing of fed up Middle Class Americans is really an interesting development, huh?

They stand up FOR the banksters???

Incredible…

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Enter your comments here

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Tap, tap!

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Kaddafy looked like Jesus on the cross….

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HEFTY, HEFTY, HEFTY!!!! wimpy, wimpy, wimpy.

De puny people. dey have de puny voices. And look. Dey is on de right. hehehe.

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I love the smell of cap guns in the morning.

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I think North Dakota is the new Iraq. And the natives are much more friendly there. They have not resorted to IEDs. Halliburton is lovin’ it there.

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I heard that Halliburton has discovered that paying the taxes to drill for oil in North Dakota is a helluva lot cheaper than payin’ for the security needed in Iraq. And they don’t even need to shock and awe the residents in order to get access to the land.

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HNN Poll: 61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst

Asked to rank the presidency of George W. Bush in comparison to those of the other 41 American presidents, more than 61 percent of the historians concluded that the current presidency is the worst in the nation’s history. Another 35 percent of the historians surveyed rated the Bush presidency in the 31st to 41st category.

http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html

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Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.

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ahh del, I am sure that your little buddy Scout will remind you about the personal attacks….. oh wait, I bet he won’t. It would show real character.

And of course, your complete lack of comprehension of what the constitution says…. but thanks again for another rant without substantance, fact or quality. And just offensive in its ignorant undertones.

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Id like to mate glen beck and Rachel maddow.

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Getalife, 5 over 6 years. How about you?

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Keep up the good fight,

Thank you for continuing to prove my point.

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I served every single day fighting you cons destroying our country del..

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Del, the only point proven seems to be the one on the hat on your head. Anytime you need to be shown as ignorant, glad to help. Although your posts do speak a lot about you already (and not at all in a good way).

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getalife,

Oh yeah, C.A. the country thanks you for your service. Well, not most of the country.

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You are not fighting a conventional war. Hell, we are not even addressing the elements of government malfeasance which lead to the 9/11 attacks – our immigration system is not effective, nor is the tracking of visa’s foreign nationals adequate – those are the 2 key problems that lead to the 9/11 attacks. You are no using a sledge hammer to bash roaches. It takes a whole lot of sledge hammers to bash all the roaches in the mountains of afghanistan. We have horrible leadership which is more interested in getting elected the next time than improving the nation. And with the citizens split about 50/50 on politial philosophy, exploiters can easily manipulate, with the assistance of a muckraking journalism industry, an election & the opinion of someone who comes to the national stage. Sad. We need to take our troops out of all these foreign nations, reduce visa & legal migration to manageable numbers, and effectively seal our borders. Having a pro-blue collar trade policy would be a nice change too. The Pentagon is the tail wagging the rest of the government dog. It is not sustainable, and will bankrupt us (without manufacturing, we can no longer tolerate the hemorraging of economic/national capital – China & OPEC). Good luck, America!!

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Awww. Del don’t luvs me. Well, I would say what I think about that but… Oh what the hell. Kiss mah grits, Del. hehehe. And pay your taxes. After all, those young men and women fighting over in Iraq and Afghanistan are doing so to protect the likes of your sorry azz too, dontcha know.

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Simper stupid. Thank God for women. Nice to see all you lawn jockeys popping wood over stupid war fought for the ruling class.

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Taxpayer,

Good I’m in your head. Thank you for proving my points”now try to sleep. I’ll bet you can’t.

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Sandy
Put down the vitriol

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Jm….I agree.

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Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 24th, 2011
9:01 pm

“(Drink raised) To absent companions. Response: Airborne.”

Amen…great post.
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You would say Semper Fi to that. It’s ok. Same thing.

it’s time we left that cesspool, back-woods, 6th century, country Afghanistan. Any word on the pull out from Iraq? Either bomb them both into submission or get the hell out. Quit killing our kids for folks who give less than a damn about us. Afghanistan exports nothing but heroin. Who needs that?

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We lost 2% of our population in the civil war
By comparison, these wars have been a lot less painful
But war in any form is awful

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Jm lay off the snuff films

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The Scarlet A,

I can’t disagree.

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tell the truth;-) -Has anyone noticed that George Bush nor Dick Cheney has said anything about pulling out of Iraq?

I know Cheney has had a couple rants, but have you heard Bush say anything since he left office? It’s called respect. If you want to hear some bad mouthing of our country you’ll have to ask Carter or Clinton.

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Sooth
Exactly what resource does Afghanistan have that we want?
Whatever. U turkeys are absurd.

Oh I forgot, they have golden alien poop in afghanistan….

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The overriding motivation for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are shielded by political smokescreen that the US and UK will run out of sufficient hydrocarbon energy supplies whereas, the Arab and Muslim world would control almost 60% of the world oil producing capacity and perhaps more significantly 95% of the remaining global oil production capacity. The news media reports indicate that the US is predicted to produce only 39% of the domestic oil production in 2010, whereas in 1990 it produced 57% of its total oil consumption. The UK Government projects ”severe” gas shortages by 2005 and it confirmed that 70% of the electricity will drawn from gas and 90% of gas will be imported. It is interesting to note that Iraq is said to have 110 trillion cubic feet of gas reserves in addition to its approximately 15-20 % of the world oil reserves. In another research report by the Commission on America’s National Interests (July 2000), it observed that the most promising new energy resources are found in the Caspian Sea, Central Asian region and it would spare the US exclusive dependence on the Saudi Arabian oil imports. The report outlined the feasible routes for the Caspian Seas oil deliveries, one hydrocarbon pipeline via Azerbaijan and Georgia and another pipeline through Afghanistan and Pakistan would ensure the future strategic demands of the US government. To review the documentary evidence of the 9/11 events, it is not unlikely that many strategists have seen the American Government failure to avert the 9/11 terrorist attacks as facilitating a much needed stage drama for its policy aims and an invaluable opportunity to attack Iraq and Afghanistan – a military intervention already been well planned in early 2000. The PNAC policy blueprint of September 2000 projects the transformation of the American power as an unchallengeable global superpower and the need for some tangible tragedy to make it happen. The paper outlines that it “is likely to be a long one in the absence of of some catastrophic and catalyzing event- like a new Pearl Harbor.”

It’s really pathetic that so many you men have lost their lives in a needless adventure.

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“War is for goons!”

Tripe comments are from dimwits

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Paddy O: There are to the best of my knowledge, three oerational Ranger battalions. The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. There are three others that provide the training. So no son, there really AREN’T that many Ranger battalions and the scope of their mission is exactly what is needed in Afghanistan.

I seriously doubt you served (unless you were a REMF) and if you DID serve, it wasn’t as a Ranger or any other elite unit or else you would know better.

please get your facts in order before you post nonsense about elite units. You haven’t a clue what goes on in these hero’s heads. Really, you don’t. Our way of thinking and self sacrifice is way beyond anything you could even begin to fathom. Don’t speak for us. If we need words, we will speak for ourselves, we are quite capable of doing so thank you very much and much more articulately than you ever could. Mostly we speak by our actions.

Ever notice you NEVER read about Elite Units whining to the media about their deployments? There is a reason for that. You wouldn’t understand.

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“When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.”

Rudyard Kipling

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JKL2
October 24th, 2011
9:17 pm

Bush and Cheney are just glad they haven’t been brought up on charges for war crimes. Be quiet and maybe they’ll forget about you is the tactic they’re employing.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/75th_Ranger_Regiment_(United_States)

http://www.benning.army.mil/tenant/75thRanger/

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getalife- I serve every single day fighting to destroy our country del.

fixed your typo.

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Getalife 9:22
You must be in someone else’s head
Since it’s supposed to be a crowd with 4 of u in there

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mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama – BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!

October 24th, 2011
9:25 pm

I KNOW NObama said the first thing he would do when elected was bring the troops homes, and added you could bank on it. What happened Jay?
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And they are coming home. What is your point?

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Sooth
We won the wars. Wacky……

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Paddy O- it also explains how he rose to E7 so fast – gunny sgts usually don’t get killed.

About average for what he did. As it’s been said, some units deploy alot. 14 in 10 years means some were very short and probably not very glamerous, but still count. Had to be some volunteering involved. People do different things for different reasons. Some people just like it. (see The Hurt Locker. Totally unrealistic movie, but they did get that part of it right.)

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Sandy is a troll
Jay, you reading this garbage?

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Sandy: Soldiers are not “ignorant.” They answer to a higher calling, one you in your selfish way wouldn’t understand. It’s ok, we support your right to be ignorant and insulting to us for our sacrifice. Because you see, we HAVE to sacrifice for people like you in order to sacrifice for folks who are worth something. The flotsam and jetsam like you get a free ride, but we don’t begrudge you.

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Sooth. Go there yourself. You’re the nut that thinks the president blew up the WTC

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Your all a bunch of spent tampons sending young men to fight your wet dreams….

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I multitask del.

“Duh, duh, duh” is the smartest post from you yet.

Genius I tell ya.

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It’s a complex world
Abe Lincoln’s wife’s family were slave owners

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“Soldiers are the ignorant tools of the bourgeoisie….”

Ignorant is the operative word here.

Patriotism clouds the judgement.

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Sooth
Maybe you’re not aware
We destroyed their armies and we are helping rebuild their countries

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Soothsayer

October 24th, 2011
9:37 pm

“Soldiers are the ignorant tools of the bourgeoisie….”

Ignorant is the operative word here.

Patriotism clouds the judgement.
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You think so? What is your excuse sir?

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Mindful that it was the invasion that caused the DISASTER !

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tapayer- Our President, Obama, is ending that Bush-led disaster in Iraq. It’s so nice to have an intelligent and caring president.

Bush set the end of our occupation of Iraq. obama tried to extend it, but being totally inept at foreign policy, Iraq told him to “pound sand” and stick to the original deadline.

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“We have now reached a stage where our extreme horrors of brutality and cruelty have exceeded our past records. We no longer have the rationale of moral righteousness of the earlier wars…. There were no excuses for Abu-Ghraib, but our interest in that inhuman travesty dried up and blew away. We have little concern about our violations of human rights in Guantanamo. ….the real horrors – of this war come with the primitive killer mentality developed in our youth. I’ve now seen a half dozen documentary films and read eyewitness accounts that reveal troops or pilots gloating over the massacres of civilians who just happened to be available targets.”

I’m getting angrier and angrier.

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“I multitask del.”

“Duh, duh, duh” is the smartest post from you yet.

“Genius I tell ya.”

I rest my case.

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I used to work for SFC Domeij he was one of the most influential role models in my life. This guy woke up every morning ready for work never complaining about his job and always contributing to his unit and young soldiers like me. This guy loved what he did with all his heart. Thank you for making the ultimate sacrifice and being the person that you were May you rest in peace and join all the other Airborne Rangers in the sky.

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“We won in Iraq.”

Well, Thulsa, I guess I’m a little slow on the uptake. Please explain how we “won” in Iraq. What measures do you have for that “benchmark?” I really want to hear this.

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“NOPE! They’ll be coming after your fake macho b.s.”

Well we can now add Sandy to the ignorant list. Thank you Sandy for exposing yourself.

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I’m really disappointed in you Sooth. I have never called you ignorant, (although in my opinion you quite often post some delusional stuff here). Why do you call me ignorant just because I don’t see things as you do? Because I served my Country I am somehow intellectually deficient? I don’t insult YOU because you DIDN’T serve your Country. Why do you have to be like that? Where would you be if no one took up arms?

Well that’s an easy question to answer. A British citizen……. and then who would have stopped the Germans or Russians from world domination? Or maybe you just hate the notion of free thought and self determination.

I dunno, but I, at least am offended by your myopic and quite arrogant point of view. I guess though that you are God and anyone who doesn’t walk lock step with you is a complete and utter moron. Isn’t that the current definition of the right wingers? Fell proud, you and Rush shame the same characteristics…….

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“Sooth and friends can repent by doing some VA volunteer work.”

I take my Dad to the VA on a regular basis. I have seen first-hand the damage these men suffer from needless, politically-expedient wars of aggression. It’s really pathetic.

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Some VA volunteer work?

Great. But why there? So you can feel patriotic? And I make no judgement about that, I’m just asking.

I volunteered at Northside Hospital for several years.

No big whup. Just some Saturday mornings out of my life.

Most of us want to help. We just find ways not to.

A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity. ~Ralph Nader

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Sooth
Sorry to hear your dad is so “ignorant”, as you say

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Okay Taps y’all. My sweet little daughter needs tucking in and bedtime stories. Can’t believe at my age that I’m this lucky.

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“I’m really disappointed in you Sooth. I have never called you ignorant”

If they weren’t ignorant, they would not volunteer to fight in contrived wars of aggression, engineered by neo-cons and based on lies and deceptions.

In fact, the whole Afghanistan and Iraq wars are built on deceptions and lies.

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“Most of us want to help. We just find ways not to.”

Ain’t that the damn truth. Count me in that group. Always MEANING to go “do that”……………

I’ve been thinking about volunteering to do stuff with cancer kids at the hospital. Just don’t know if I’ve got the stones to face that though. Charge a machine gun? Yeah I can do that, did that. Deal with dying kids? I dunno. Don’t know that I’m strong enough. But if not me then who?

Thanks for the prod. You phallic cranium lol.

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Thulsa: “To Dream The Impossible Dream.”

How long do you think that’s gonna last?

It must really be hard to be a neo-con. First, you have to believe the improbable story that a bumbling bunch of “Arabs” (Saudi Arabians) piloted jumbo jets into the World Trade Center and that those buildings miraculously “collapsed” as a result of being struck by an airplane, which they were designed for.

Then, you have to believe that a bunch of goat herders in Afghanistan were somehow behind the whole thing. Then, you have to believe that Saddam Hussein was further behind the whole thing.

Then, you have to believe that Saddam was preparing weapons of mass destruction when the Iraqis had no real Air Force. Oh, they had those aluminum tubes and that yellow cake. Heck, that sounds as good as any a reason to invade.

Give me a break, really!

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AmVet- An animal? Hardly, but no slouch either

Would have to disagree on that one.

http://www.examiner.com/running-fitness-in-detroit/celebrity-marathon-runner-george-w-bush

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Dr. Mahboob A. Khawaja, an academic with special interests in global peace and security and conflict resolution, and comparative cultures and civilizations, and author of numerous publications in global affairs. His latest book includes: Arabia at Crossroads: Arab People Strive for Freedom, Peace and New Leadership. VDM Publishers, Germany, September 2011. Comments are welcome: kmahboob@yahoo.com

Sooth,

Lemme get this straight. You’re going to post this Arab academic’s lambasting of the U.S. military at Abu Graib as if this man has some kind of credibility? This man whines about abu graib where a handful of American soldiesr basically just humiliated and embarrassed Iraqi prisoners by takin gembarrassing pics of them. Boo hoo and shame on them for basically just embarrassing these guys. Lemme know when we actually stoop do doing what the Arabs do in torturing soldiers. That would include gouging out eyes, cutting out tongues, ripping teeth and fingernails out, cutting off noses and ears not to mention limbs, and on and on. Good grief.

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The Scarlet A ,

It was actually a fun job. I sat at the information counter in the main lobby. Helped tons of people find their way to wherever and generally just tried to be helpful and comforting, if need be.

And, of course, tried to talk to the nurses and other pretty girls when I could.

Thank gawd, I was nowhere near the emergency room.

(I’m ex-USAF. don’t need the blood and guts stuff! LOL)

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The gop want to cut their benefits yet they still vote gop.

perhaps you vets can help me out with that logic.

I don’t get it.

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Sooth,

Yes. And who would believe those backwards a$$ 3rd world goat herders would have developed the nuclear bomb in Pakistan. That accomplishment alone should teach you not to underestimate the lengths to which these crazies will go to wage war. If one of the most backward a$$ countries in the world has the bomb then I find it quite feasible that 19 of them could hijack a few planes. And please don’t get started on the 9/11 conspiracy nonsense again. I’ve already blown that conspiracy out of the water and quite frankly its a waste of time on your part. Nobody believes that 9/11 nonsense about it being an inside job by W except you, Rosie O’Donnell, Sean Penn, and Willie Nelson after he’s just burned a blunt.

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I knew he ran a lot, JKL2. As did Clinton before him.

But he wasn’t a linebacker at Yale, he was a cheerleader. (OK, cheap shot, LOL!)

So let’s call him a mini-beast.

JFK, was a real beast.

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soothsayer- those buildings miraculously “collapsed” as a result of being struck by an airplane, which they were designed for

Designed to be hit by a little plane, not a jumbo jet. If you design your building for a 5.0 earthquake and you get 7.2, all bets are off. Same with this scenerio. The engineers never invisioned jumbo jets in lower Manhatten.

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Thulsa: post a link. Heck, it shouldn’t have taken this long to find a link.

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AmVet,

Gerald Ford was the real beast if ya’ll are talking about tough guy ex potuses. Ford was a fullback at michigan and supposedly a pretty good one. Bush 1 was a baseball player and of all the other potuses I can’t remember any of their athletic feats. I think Abe Lincoln was a wrestler.

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Sandy:

Does that include JAY’s mom and dad ? They were soldiers.

About soldiers:

“I have the sense from time to time that I am not alone, and I suspect that despite the limited understanding we have of events in distant places, there will always be those among us who have the gleam of the quest in their eyes. They are people of every sex and station and they yearn to be challenged to a cause. They will always be looking for that wrong to right, that ill to cure, that song to sing; and there will always be those who will go to arms in aid of the helpless and the downtrodden. Ignoring the political issues of the moment, these people will champion the weak and the poor in the face of evil and tyranny. And no matter what the outcome, in their romantic hearts they will always keep the secret, if secret it must be, that they are better men for having held the lamp beside the golden door”.

David Donovan

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Thulsa:

Clinton was a drum major.

Obama played reefers.

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Thulsa Doom- Lemme know when we actually stoop do doing what the Arabs do in torturing soldiers.

Hear, Hear! I liked the chair with the two hooks attached to a pivot on the end of a bolt. The hooks would go up the nose and they would rip it off the guys (or girls) skull. Much better than getting your picture taking wearing a dog collar. Better to be dead than on youtube…

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Does anyone remember the Iran/Iraq War ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

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sooth- JKL2: the two World Trade Center towers were designed to withstand multiple impacts of 707s the largest jet at the time they were built

Thanks for proving my point. Rant on…

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Thulsa: can you post a link of any building before or after the World Trade Center towers that have collapsed because of fire?

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soothsayer, 10:02
somebody needs a hug…..and possibly a new hobby b/c that post and mentality can only bring frustration and misery into your life……positive wishes to you my friend

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Poo,

Well then again maybe not everyone does know. As you amply prove in a self evident manner there are the ignorant among us.

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sooth- I’m sorry, neo-cons, but this is truly the saddest day in America’s history

Raise the debt ceiling to $30T and it’s free money for everyone. obama rules!

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Sooth 10:21 gravity
But you probably don’t believe in that

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Headline: “The total of U.S. state debt, including pension liabilities, could surpass $4 trillion, with California owing the most and Vermont owing the least, a new analysis says.”

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poo,

And you don’t have the credibility to speak to anyone.

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Kam is denying sad dam tortured his own people
LOL

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Kam I know you need attention
But grow up boy

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“Thulsa: can you post a link of any building before or after the World Trade Center towers that have collapsed because of fire?”

Why would I do that. You made the assertion that the fires from the jet fuel caused the buildings to collapse. Let’s substantiate that first before we move on to something else.

I challenge everyone on this blog to post a link of a single building in the history of modern skyscrapers that have collapsed on account of fire.

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Any building in the entire World that has collapsed on account of fire. Please let me hear it! I’m waiting.

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Everyone in favor of spending 6500 American lives and $1.5 trillion American tacpayer dollars trying to build Muslims a New nation, raise your right hand?

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Scout: about the closest you’ll ever be to being an engineer is if you are standing next to one.

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TSA….Name the companies. Name the people. Be specific.

I did not say I disagree with you. I simply asked “who” you were talking about. And really? it’s 10:30 and the old cranky men that act like teenagers are usually tired and in bed right now.

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Sooth
Buildings not put out with water collapse all the time from fire
And even some put out with fire do so
You’re clueless
You ever turn on the news or do you live under a rock?

Liberals really are insane and sick in the head.

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Jm

October 24th, 2011
10:29 pm

Scarlet
You don’t know me. I’m not a republican.
Go elsewhere with your ignorant assumptions
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Oh, but I do. It it walks like a republican, uses the catch phrases of a republican, it MUST be a Republican. You’ve been quoting the talk show line forever and denying it. Why are you so ashamed of what you are and whom you are representing?

If you are so proud of your talk show ideals, then man up and admit to them.

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“Buildings not put out with water collapse all the time from fire
And even some put out with fire do so.”

Post one.

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“sooth- JKL2: please explain to me then what caused the World Trade Center towers to collapse

gravity. Next”

Post one.

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A writing from someone who is a) not proud to be an American and b) scared as hell of one day dying.

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kamchak- You don’t have the authority to speak for “everyone.”

If someone says “most people don’t pay taxes”, they mean federal income tax. You’re a sock puppet. We’re all racists because obama is an idiot. It’s all Bush’s fault.

Thanks for stopping by. Looks like your jobs all done here. Go to bed sport.

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Soothsayer

October 24th, 2011
10:33 pm

The twin towers and building 7 did notcollapse on account of fire. Surely there must be some precedent since the WTC towers “collapsed” on account of fire. There must have been at least onebuilding before or after to have collapse on account of fire.
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So using YOUR logic (or lack thereof) the FIRST person who died of AIDS didn’t die of AIDS because no one before them died of AIDS.

REALLY? THIS is the basis of your “argument?”

Please tell me the top end heat of 1000+ gallons of jet fuel exploding is? Are you really this clueless? Really?

I can’t believe I’m even discussing this with you. You lack the technical background to rationally talk about it. but it SOUNDS good on a blog doesn’t it lol?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss

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Clinton wants Iran.

mcwar wants Syria.

getalaife wants peace and prosperity for the 99 %.

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Sooth
Why I bother…….

http://democratherald.com/news/local/article_55bb859d-90b8-5ac6-8e8a-8c2a3cc3f282.html

There’s a one story building that collapsed
Multistory buildings collapse even more

You’re not bright

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Gee, sooth, we’re fresh out of tube-in-tube design buildings over 80 stories and occupying an entire city block, hit by passenger planes at full throttle loaded with fuel for a cross-continental trip, which were virtually untouched by firefighters.

Now knock it off. The type of conspiracy you propose could not be done without the military. Peddling your nutbag crap underneath a photo of a fallen soldier is repulsive, and an insult to the decent people you slander, calling them liars and mass murderers.

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Kam. On ignore since you won’t stand behind your own words
You never do

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sooth- I challenge everyone on this blog to post a link of a single building in the history of modern skyscrapers that have collapsed on account of fire

You’re too easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mz0_x7313I

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Kam @ 10:39: Thanks bro lol.

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All the lib trolls out tonight
Kam, sooth, and scarlet
The only thing missing is a really scary person in a sheet dressed up as aghost or Klan member
The libs here are equally (not) as scary

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Still more evidence Sooth.

http://www.fpemag.com/archives/article.asp?issue_id=27&i=153

The NIST survey of 22 fire-induced building collapses from 1970-20021 identified a variety of conditions, materials, locations, and buildings. Fifteen cases were from the U.S., two from Canada, and five from Europe, Russia, and South America. The numbers of fire collapse events can be categorized by building material as follows:

Concrete: 7 (1 in Pentagon 9-11 event)
Structural steel: 6 (4 in 9-11 WTC events)

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Jm: ad hominem attack is an admission of defeat.

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sooth- You know, JKL2, that kind of language and attitude is not really appreciated here

Your guys love your research. Shouldn’t take too long to get all them quotes from the man himself. Just search the last week and you’ll probably find them.

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Sooth Jm ignoring all the posts proving him wrong
Ignore the guy, he’s crazy

More.

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typos

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fixed.

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LOL JM: I’m calling out Sooth and you call me a lib.

Typical quacking from a right wing fanatic. you prove my assumption that you ARE a Rush spouting lock step walking right wing fanatic. You use all their terminology. Come on, you can do better than that. I mean just because someone outs you they are a “lib.” you really can’t do better than that?

The intellectual content of that post by you was about equal to Sandy’s posts. You are in some stout company there Sport.

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“Past experience and this 2002 NIST collapse survey confirm that fires, and the related damage, deaths, casualties, and any collapses, are essentially rare and random events, whose effects depend highly on the time, nature, and circumstances of the fire occurrence.”

Post one steel-framed building that has totally collapsed on account of fire.

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Kam is as reliable a typo corrector as Microsoft is a stable software maker
LOL

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getalife wants peace and prosperity for the 99 %.

I love it.

Bush went in and smoked Afghani ass when he had to. And I said hell yes.

But then, just as I thought he would, he made the first huge mistake of many to come – he stayed.

WTF?

So a decade and much loss later (nearly) we get OBL.

Some consolation.

We can’t stay there.

It is insane to try.

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Jack welch: Cain has a good plan

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Thulsa: if you review video of the WTC towers, you will notice that the building below the impact zone was undamaged. What caused this part of the building to collapse?

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Jm

October 24th, 2011
10:50 pm

Kam is as reliable a typo corrector as Microsoft is a stable software maker
LOL
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Which is why Microsoft is the software that 90 percent of the World uses. Thank you for validating Kam and proving by your own words that you know not what you write about.

Damn this is easy.

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Sooth
Dimwit. The link I posted was steel framed.
See a counselor. Take your friends

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Jet fuel, i.e., kerosene, under optimal conditions, burns at around 750 degrees fahrenheit far below the 2,750 degrees fahrenheit required to melt steel.

FYI, all of the jet fuel burned in less than 10 seconds. In fact, most of it burned in under a seco

Wrong again Sooth. I don’t know how many times I have to tell you the same thing. Steel doesn’t need to be melted. It merely needs to be weakened by high temps. Secondly I’m not sure what planet you live on but there were a number of other combustibles that added to the fire. Think of all the paper, sofa, office furniture, drywall, etc. all the different flammables that immediately added to the fire Somehow or another your article completely managed to avoid mentioning the various other items that would have added to an ensuing fire. I’m surprised you didn’t think about all that. But then again if your mind is closed to all other possibilities then why would you?

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sooth- JKL2: You can’t use the instant issue to prove your point

I just think “what would a man do” and then take out all common sense and rationality.

Michael Moore called. He wants his brain cell back because the one in his head is lonely all by itself.

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“Dimwit. The link I posted was steel framed.
See a counselor. Take your friends”

Again, that kind of language is unacceptable. It simply is an admission of defeat.

All of those buildings were at least partially standing.

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jm

Jack welch is yesterdays news and pretty much a jerkwad anyway…

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Should’ve just nuked them! Kill’em all, let Allah sort them out.

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“Michael Moore called. He wants his brain cell back because the one in his head is lonely all by itself.”

LOL i don’t care who you are, that was not only funny but a cut of the deepest kind. When someone is accusing you of being even more brain dead than Michael Moore………. It’s tough to recover from that kind of judgement……….

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Mick … he is regarded by many as one of the best ever CEO’s ..He may very well be a “jerkwad” though. I don’t know…..I’m not even exactly sure what a jerkwad is

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Liberals losing all day every day
Wake up or you will continue losing

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“Ummmmmm the millions of pounds collapsing on top of it? I mean just a THOUGHT……….. but then what is YOUR thought on the matter?”

Here’s a photo from a popular “debunking” site. Notice that the top of the South Tower building has begun to fall away and behind the building. How is that collapsing on top of the building? Notice the two concentric rows of explosions below the top portion of the building that is falling away from the main portion of the building. The question you really need to ask yourself is: what happened to that section of the building that is falling away from the main body of the building? Why didn’t it hit the street intact below?

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Thulsa:

You’re giving them way more than they deserve. It’s like trying to debate when your kids were teenagers.

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Jm,

I seriously doubt those other buildings that were left partially standing had 110 stories of materials and pure tonnage collapsing down upon them. Also they probably had water poured on them to cool or lessen the intensity of those fires- something that clearly didn’t happen at the wtc. I’m just hoping sooth will open up his mind a bit and at least acknowledge that some of his proof is rejected soundly by science.

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Scout and bman, have fun with the jerk wads here
I’m out

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Obama is Jimmy Carter.

Which is degrees of magnitude better than to be equated to you know who.

“HNN Poll: 61% of Historians Rate the Bush Presidency Worst”

Like a majority of other historians who participated in this poll, my conclusion is that the preponderance of the evidence now indicates that, while this nation has had at least its share of failed presidencies, no previous presidency was as large a failure in so many areas as the current one.

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1811,

I realize I am swimming against the tide but if sooth has an ounce of objectivity and open mindedness in him he will realize from science itself why the wtc collapsed. I’m not giving up hope on him yet.

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Thulsa. Good luck
JKL2 cheerio!

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Does anyone here remember which computer box-maker was the first to outsource it mfg and customer services operations overseas?

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bman: Really? You can’t stretch your imagination or use deductive reasoning and figure out what a jerkwad is? Really?

As to Welsh? Many DON’T regard him as the best CEO ever. He was more of a bill Clinton. He rode the wave and didn’t do too much to stop the success others were achieving. Now if THAT is your definition of the “best ever” then I reckon you have to conclude that President Clinton was the best ever. I somehow don’t see you doing that.

For myself? I wouldn’t give either the nod. they both had a strong sense of how to stay in power and it was by letting better men call the shots while they took credit. That in it’s own way is not a small talent. At least they stayed the hell out of the way of their betters while good things happened……..

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Scarlet A- NO ONE, is as ignorant as Jiminy Carter

First, thanks for your service. I think obama compares alot with Carter. Very intelligent but with NO common sense. I have to give the nod to Wilson though, because he had the evil intent obama has.

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Thulsa Doom

October 24th, 2011
11:05 pm

1811,

I realize I am swimming against the tide but if sooth has an ounce of objectivity and open mindedness in him he will realize from science itself why the wtc collapsed. I’m not giving up hope on him yet.
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When it comes to his wild conspiracy theories, give up on him. Well most of the time. He’s had a couple that made sense. But on the whole, DON’T give up on him. He posts tons of useful information. He’s all over the “green” stuff and easy ways to save energy. I like him. I still bust him out on his weird stuff though.

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If you can do it without breaking your back or dropping your arms…you win the argument.

Yeah, because a human being is exactly the same as a building.

Smarter trolls, please.

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getalife- OWS is peaceful. You have no idea what they stand for

ROFLMFAO!!!! top it, you’re going to make me cry.

1: They have no clue what they stand for.
2: They want OPP. (Demwit utopia) taken by by taxes, force, or any other means.
3: All the hate comes from the left. guess who they are going to vote for? Kind of funny how things on the plantation have reversed themselves now isn’t it?

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bman,

IBM?

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Kind of funny how things on the plantation…

There’s your sign.

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getalife: I’m still thinking Apple. But I wish Bman would hurry up and pay off. I’m like Thulsa Doom. I wanna eat and go to bed myself lol.

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What do you call it when a soldier betrays his country ? TREASON
And what is the penalty ? LIFE IN PRISON/DEATH

What do you call it when a country betrays a soldier ? POLITICS
And what is the penalty ? NOTHING

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kamchak- There’s your sign

Sorry, I guess I missed one. Now can you call me a racist for old times sake?

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Thanks for proving my point jk.

Not even close.

jm,

cons are the trolls and they never won a argument.

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“Many times in battle one might lose their mind, their life, their soul. What makes them a Marine is that they entered combat knowing the price they might pay, and chose to enter it anyway.”

Author Unknown

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Now can you call me a racist for old times sake?

Are you implying that I have called you a racist before, sport?

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bman,

My only corporate job outsourced to China and I trained the Chinese that got my job.

Somehow the software got deleted and the training was dead wrong.

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Soothsayer

October 24th, 2011
11:23 pm

You must be Dave R.: masquerading under a different nom de blogue. Ya think?
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Naw. Dave R. NEVER had a good word to say about you. Did he? If so I missed it. Call me a long time listener first time caller lol. But PLEASE don’t call me Dave R. Please? I don’t think I have insulted you at all tonight, much less to that level.

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My apologies. Nevertheless, you should know better than to attack me head-on. Most here do it obliquely. Everyone has to learn.

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JKL2@ 11:27: Interesting. I’ll grant you that. I REALLY dislike Newt, and it stems back to the 90’s when he was my Representative. I can’t even remember what he did to hack me off so bad, but the fact it remains with me is good enough lol. (and I was a Republican back then, before I broke away and became independent).

You saw The President before the rest of us. I’ll never agian call you on your “opinion’ of him and would ask that if I forget and DO that you remind me.

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Well, then, no further comments. I’m outta here. I’m gonna be checking back in so don’t bad-mouth me while I’m gone.

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Your article is incorrect, friend. My husband grew up with Kris, the soldier which you have written about here. Kris wanted nothing more than to be an Army Ranger, and WANTED to be deployed. He WANTED to take out the bad guys. Obviously, he didn’t not want to die, but you should learn about the people you’re writing about before you go bad mouthing the service that protects your freedoms.

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Sooth….whatever you do, don’t go staring out the front window with your hands on the panes. That sort of thing creeps people out…

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sooth-

You Demwits will never learn. I’ll wear all of you down to the final post. You know why: you are all full of BS. Everything you “think” was put there by Schultz, Maddow, Olberman, Stewart, and Colbert.(The last two are actually comedians, but seem to be a important news source to the left). You can’t really think for yourself. Pathetic really.

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bman

October 24th, 2011
11:37 pm

Sooth….whatever you do, don’t go staring out the front window with your hands on the panes. That sort of thing creeps people out…
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So THAT’S why all the neighbors look at me funny-like……..

Note to self: Hands off the glass…………

And here all this time I thought it was because I had no drawers on………

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Scarlet A- I REALLY dislike Newt

Newt is damaged goods and he did it all to himself. I have no idea who told him he should try to run for president.

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JKL2: Could you help me out a little please? Who are Schultz, Maddow, Olberman, Stewart, and Colbert?

I always thought that the idiots Huff, Moore, and Soros were the lefties mouthpieces.

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I need a good book to read. ANy suggestions from anyone? Oh and let me set some conditions. I don’t want a political book or a damn Harlequin romance. Historical fiction or science fiction are always good. I’ll do fantasy and drama. War stories. Mystery. Kids books, I’m easy as long as it’s good. Don’t suggest a “classic” I already read the damn thing more than 30 years ago, all of them, YES even Chaucer. What I would like to re-read is ‘The Past Through Tomorrow” by Heinlein but that damn thing has been out of print forever and the Dekalb library doesn’t carry it. My brother stole my copy 25 years ago……….. Some Louis L’AMour would be good as well. But I only have a few and they are tattered with use over the years……….

Suggestions? If I had a good damn book I wouldn’t be reading blogs…….

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you could write one??

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The Wars ?

How about the 75 commute Republican’s …..is it a shorter ride for you now ?

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Kasim Reed is against the occupy idiots. He’s such a racist.

Why stand up to cancer when you can stand up for handouts. I spent over two months in a tent this year. Can I get one of those union jobs hanging out in the park?

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the scarlet a, and right-field jkl2, I’ve been to war. Where have you been. Maybe the library or one of your sheet parties. If one tells a lie and Americans are killed because of it and moneys made from it; how else would or should I see it. But I forgot; you are lead by Pig Limbaugh and Fox News. Hannity Pannity may be your fearless leader.

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My deepest sympathies to the family.

Did this young man have any choice ?

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Never in our proud history have so few been asked for so much. Ten year wars are tolerable only when nobodies drafted and nobodies asked to pick up the tab. Will Rodgers once said that no new wars should be started until the last one is paid for. If we take his advice, will have peace forever.

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Ok…Here’s a plan….No President should be able to order US military troops into a conflict that lasts greater than one year without implementing a draft that has no limited exemptions. Furthermore, a budget to pay for the war must be approved by Congress.

It’s a rudimentary plan but when all families share the risk of a loved one and the burden of payment, maybe our elected officials will spend the lives of our troops a bit more judiciously.

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My deepest sympathies to the families of the fallen and my higheest honor, thoughts and appreciation to the fallen who gave all. No one sacrifices more than they have throughout all of our conflicts.

I do not think that Mr. Bookman is/has/ever exploited anyone for his own agenda. He is pointing out flawed policy — something so separate from the brave men + women in the military who are given direct orders and follow through with no questions asked. It’s because of them that we are able to live, breathe and write the drivel that we write (I speak for myself of course, not you, Jay) on the Web.

Hopefully in the future, U.S.-led and/or NATO-led coalitions will look to higher tech alternatives rather than commit so many ground forces. Indeed, that approach opens up another can of worms, but one day, perhaps, peace and diplomacy will be first options before heading into armed conflicts.

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josef

October 24th, 2011
6:34 pm

The reason is we have a Democrat in the White House now. When it was Bush’s war, the press had no problem keeping us informed on the front page. Now that Obama is in charge, it is not an issue to the media, after all, it is Bush’s war and he’s gone so they don’t want to make it seem like they’re anti Obama.

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Ganny – both. With 10 years of service, he re-upped so he had a choice but he was a soldier.

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Granny. He didn’t have to serve 10 years. No one does when they enlist. So it was voluntary.

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And the war on poverty ?

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Just think of all the happy, healthy people we would still have around and all of that money we would have to spend on creating jobs and stuff, if that unnecessary war had not been started. Just think, people, how different it could have been. It truly was a crime.

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Spain used to rule the world but that came to an end, why? Wars. Britain used to rule the world but that came to an end, why? Wars.
France used to rule europe but that came to an end, why? Wars. Anybody notice a pattern here? Ten years of war have just about bankrupted the US, bring them to an end and start the rebuilding here at home.

bill orvis

This is america and the people chose obama, like it or not, you get your chance to change that next november. In the mean time, take a deep breath and have a little more respect for the people and the president. Not everyone holds your views, and thank god for that…

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It truly was a crime.

for which no time will ever be served by those responsible.

(alas, hardly the first time in our nation’s history I can write this.)

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This is america and the people chose obama, like it or not, you get your chance to change that get your whiny-assed teaty baby selves’ arses kicked yet again, perhaps by an even bigger margin than a mere 52.7%-45.9% next november, ya never know.

fried yer tamale.

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I need a good book to read. ANy suggestions from anyone?

Given the topic, I have to recommend this. Great account from someone who was still at the top of his mental powers to recall the real life horrors of WWII.

http://www.amazon.com/Wartime-Understanding-Behavior-Second-World/dp/0195065778

and no, it’s not a “political” book at all, unless by “political” you mean a book that both I (a certified dirty effing hippie) AND William F. Buckley consider(ed) to be essential reading.

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Shall I share with the class what kind of odds people with skin in the game give the other Goopers against Obama, jm?

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dB – 7:57 – go for it – I love some lunchtime entertainment!

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Here’s the “front runner” for the GOPee actually winning–woo hoo! THREE PERCENT!

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=749136

THREE THREE THREE BAYBEE!

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I’m no military guy, but I don’t think they force anyone to go on 14 deployments. That guy made a choice, a bunch of choices, and who are we to say he was wrong to do so? Who are we to say it was a mistake? It was his choice, and I think it’s a shame that you are using something he must have been proud of to score political points. And it’s a shame that you have so little respect for his choices that you want to denigrate the purpose of those choices after his death.

But then you have no shame!

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Bring ALL of our troops home from everywhere, and before all you losers start with the “We can’t isolate ourselves from the world, we are a world market”. Seems like the rest of the world has trade without troops, I wonder why? How about we take the 38,000 troops at the North\South Korea border and put them on our southern border, why do we only have 1600 troops there? All we have to do is tell people that we do “business” with when your goods get to our port we can pay you; I bet they would take care of their own interest instead of us doing it for them…

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stands, as if that would make a difference?

Last night, the burn of the evening went to N-GA, who made a wry and pointed observation about the blogger using the Sinkwich name.

The great Disaster of the New Millennium – the neo-cons and chickenhawks – cannot be allowed to play toy soldiers ever again.

They are deadly and completely incompetent.

They are immoral, not at all bright and have been thoroughly disgraced by their choices.

And they simply are not trustworthy with the lives of our sons and daughters.

I pray the American voters do not forget this…

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Granny, You and the rest of the liars of the democrat party use the language of deception.

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One of the real problems in fighting wars like Iraq is the US Military loses that mysteriousness that filled the world with fear. We were counting on it when we entered Iraq, we show up they are scared to death and the war is over. What I do not understand while we are pouring 700 billion dollars into this thing, not to mention lives, and we can’t train a homeland army in nine years to protect themselves, yet a rag tag homegrown army with far less resources has held us at bay. Where is the value in the money spent? Where is the superior management skills? The same thing can be said about our banking and business skills. What has happen to America on our watch? New Orleans is another example. The money wasted by the US government is just nasty. This after a propaganda machine about homeland defense that cost billions was sounded from every hilltop. Where was the value?

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whoops, wrong thread…

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The New York Times runs an interesting feature this morning on how the US is infiltrating the drug cartels in Mexico. I find it fascinating that the Democratic Party that is considered soft on crime and the drug war is making inroads into an area that was a dismal failure under the previous administration. There is so much good work going on now in this country and no trumpet blowing about it. If these cartels were allowed to grow any larger the terrorist would use them for acts in this country. Tell me why we felt safe under the Bush administration? An administration that was always reacting to an event instead of stopping it. An administration that spent billions on horror shows of what could happen and then was never prepared for what did happen. The only attack on this country by terrorist was under the Bush administration, yet they brag that it was the only one. It was by large part blind luck that we didn’t have more under Bush, I think the enemy overestimated us and believe the same hot air the American public was buying.

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Heroin is a growing problem in the states too. Where this stuff shows up there is definite terrorist influence. A drug dealer in this country is pretty well committing suicide. Once he or she is caught they will serve the rest of their lives in prison. This is great recruiting grounds for terrorist. Legalize drugs and this problem goes away.

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