Obama: By end of year, ‘America’s war in Iraq will be over’
President Obama:
“As promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of year. After nearly 9 years, America’s war in Iraq will be over. Over the next two months, our troops in Iraq– tens of thousands of them — will pack up their gear and board convoys for the journey home. The last Americans soldiers will cross the border out of Iraq with their heads held high. proud of their success and knowing that the American people stand united in our support for our troops. That is how America’s military efforts in Iraq will end. “
UPDATE AT 3:35:
Here’s the response of Mitt Romney, the GOP frontrunner:
“President Obama’s astonishing failure to secure an orderly transition in Iraq has unnecessarily put at risk the victories that were won through the blood and sacrifice of thousands of American men and women. The unavoidable question is whether this decision is the result of a naked political calculation or simply sheer ineptitude in negotiations with the Iraqi government. The American people deserve to hear the recommendations that were made by our military commanders in Iraq.”
Romney aside, I think the news deserves an early kickoff of Friday Traveling Music (a separate version will be posted later:
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Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 21st, 2011
1:43 pm
Yaaaaa hoooo..
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 21st, 2011
1:44 pm
He beat McCain’s timetable by 97 years
getalife
October 21st, 2011
1:44 pm
Another promise kept.
This President earned four more years.
stands for decibels
October 21st, 2011
1:44 pm
Yay.
(& I like this one better than your Mittens thingie you had up…)
Mick
October 21st, 2011
1:46 pm
One down and one to go. May I suggest a pullout date of October, 2012 -victory, in more ways than one…
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
1:46 pm
Good. Now spend that money on stimulus projects – dollar for dollar.
mm
October 21st, 2011
1:46 pm
Bummer cons. Game over.
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
1:47 pm
God bless us, everyone!
Joe COOL
October 21st, 2011
1:47 pm
Amen!
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
1:51 pm
Ha ha! Dave R. was WRONG!
He said this wouldn’t happen until 2012.
Thanks for playing, Dave!
mm
October 21st, 2011
1:52 pm
Now let’s get out of Afghanistan!!!!!!!!!!!
JohnnyReb
October 21st, 2011
1:52 pm
Moonbats glow we are pullin out without truly knowing if doing so is best. Without the intimate/secret details, none of us know for sure. We know the Bush administration screwed up having a permanent military base. We know Obama wants out for almost totally political reasons. In summary, the Military are the only ones who should hold their head high. The politicians have failed again.
Tommy Maddox
October 21st, 2011
1:53 pm
Thank you Mr. President for abiding by the deal that was struck by your predecessor in 2008.
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/11/20081127-1.html
Bring them home please.
stands for decibels
October 21st, 2011
1:53 pm
Nicely put, Mr. President. I think this message was a lot more diplomatic than the draft version.
liberalefty
October 21st, 2011
1:53 pm
@johnnyreb
yeah BUSH was definitely wrong to invade a country for no reason
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
Better late than never I guess. It’s about time.
Now let’s get the f out of Afghanistan.
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
Dear Republicans
Can you help our Iraqi vets find JOBS when they get home?
It is the very least you can do.
liberalefty
October 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
this war was a complete waste of lives and money. the TROOPS died for DUBYAS ego and halliburton stock
liberalefty
October 21st, 2011
1:55 pm
@granny
u know repubs hate government workers like soldiers
mm
October 21st, 2011
1:55 pm
Sad how the cons are trying to give Bush credit for this. Almost as sad as calling Reagan a fiscal conservative.
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
1:56 pm
“This President earned four more years.”
2 good things (getting Osama and getting out of Iraq) in 3 years isn’t bad I guess.
Tommy Maddox
October 21st, 2011
1:56 pm
Hey Pea – the 2008 deal provided that we’d be out by 12/31/11 unless circumvented by another deal. So, we’re right on schedule.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
1:57 pm
GG — “Dear Republicans Can you help our Iraqi vets find JOBS when they get home?”
The only jobs the GOP is interested in finding for them are ones with codes like 11B (infantry).
Guy Incognito
October 21st, 2011
1:57 pm
Good, now let’s leave Europe. It’s high time they foot the bill for their own defense!
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
1:57 pm
I’ll give Bush credit for this if the GOP will also take credit for the economy.
Geo
October 21st, 2011
1:58 pm
Granny @ 1:54 – when the Senate switches hands next year, that’s exactly what they’ll do.
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
1:58 pm
Damn…and just when the left finally started appreciating killing the bad guys!…oh well. Go USA!
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
1:59 pm
Armed Liberal — “I’ll give Bush credit for this if the GOP will also take credit for the economy.”
(sounds of conservative heads asploding)
Lakeisha
October 21st, 2011
1:59 pm
Amazing the gumption a president can have when his approval ratings hit bottom, isn’t it?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
2:00 pm
ty webb — “Damn…and just when the left finally started appreciating killing the bad guys!…”
You DO recognize that several lefty posters on here are military veterans, don’t you?
liberalefty
October 21st, 2011
2:00 pm
what would MICHELLE “sqawkbox” BACHMAN do now? lol
md
October 21st, 2011
2:00 pm
Now, do the same with Afghanistan and leave the drones……………
Bosch
October 21st, 2011
2:01 pm
” We know the Bush administration screwed up having a permanent military base.”
Reb,
That’s the thing, you see, Bush wanted a permanent base, but never got one, the Iraqis told him to frak off.
Good job Obama!!
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
2:01 pm
Joe Hussein Mama,
no, but I’m aware of what some anonymous commenters have claimed though.
Bosch
October 21st, 2011
2:03 pm
“Hey Pea – the 2008 deal provided that we’d be out by 12/31/11 unless circumvented by another deal. So, we’re right on schedule.”
That’s right Pea — I’m not sure if you are aware of this, but it takes a while to get all those people and equipment out of the country, it’s not like packing up the car after a long camping trip.
liberalefty
October 21st, 2011
2:03 pm
@ty
yes ty a lot of lefty soldiers love OBAMA,
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
2:04 pm
ty webb — “no, but I’m aware of what some anonymous commenters have claimed though.”
I see. So your unsourced claim about what “the left” thinks is somehow more substantive than veteran posters asserting their own status on this blog. Is that it?
I’m a disabled Army veteran, sir. Are you calling me a liar?
md
October 21st, 2011
2:04 pm
“Good, now let’s leave Europe. It’s high time they foot the bill for their own defense!”
How about we leave them there…..need the jobs…..but send them the bill. I bet we can shop around for the best price, or we bring them home.
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
“Thank you Mr. President for abiding by the deal that was struck by your predecessor in 2008.”
And thank you also President Obama for giving your predecessor the idea
months before he anounced it!
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
“Hey Pea – the 2008 deal provided that we’d be out by 12/31/11 unless circumvented by another deal. So, we’re right on schedule.”
So does Bush get some credit in setting the deadline? Obama gets credit for going through with it?
Road Scholar
October 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
Thank God, our troops and esp our leadership that got er’ done, esp bless our troops that were killed or wounded in the war and their families.
I wonder what will happen to all the vehicles and supplies we have there; will they be destroyed or moved to a safer place?
liberalefty
October 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
@joe hussein
dont mean to pry but what are your disabilities, if u dont mind me asking? if i’ve overstepped my bounds just tell me
larry
October 21st, 2011
2:06 pm
After being told since 2004 to leave in so many words, we finally are. We shouldnt have been there in the first place.
md
October 21st, 2011
2:07 pm
“That’s the thing, you see, Bush wanted a permanent base, but never got one, the Iraqis told him to frak off. ”
They also told this admin to frak off too………if one cares to read up on it. We wanted “immunity” for our troops to stay………they said no………so we will leave.
liberalefty
October 21st, 2011
2:07 pm
@roads
maybe the iraquis will get the equipment and in 10 yrs will be fighting american soldiers with said equipment
too little time
October 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
One day after “By end of year”, the Balkanization of Iraq will commence.
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
Road Scholar
October 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
If it’s up to Panetta, he’ll leave everything there as a way to justify increases in the DOD budget.
He’s a real piece of work…
Tommy Maddox
October 21st, 2011
2:08 pm
Pea – he would benefit from running on something other than his record, so “no; then “yes”.
liberalefty
October 21st, 2011
2:09 pm
@md
by immunity does it means american soldiers can do anything to an iraqi citizen and won’t be punished?
Bosch
October 21st, 2011
2:09 pm
“They also told this admin to frak off too”
Yeah, which is why, I think, we are getting all out instead of leaving a few thousand.
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
2:10 pm
“he would benefit from running on something other than his record, so “no; then “yes”.”
Huh?
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
2:10 pm
Lefty — “dont mean to pry but what are your disabilities, if u dont mind me asking? if i’ve overstepped my bounds just tell me”
I prefer not to be specific about them, as I don’t care to out myself on this blog. Occasionally, blog posters get a little overzealous and try to take disputes off the webpage and to the residence of their post-opponents.
I will say that I have a service-connected disability, an Honorable Discharge, a DD-214 and a VA disability rating letter. I also have a disability that’s *not* related to my military service. Other than that, I prefer not to post many details, as we’ve recently had a few posters whom Jay has had to warn and/or ban for getting a bit too personal.
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
liberallefty,
yeah, I know…I was simply opining that giving the lefts recent bloodlust for the killing of bad guys(by the way, it’s good that we’re all now cheering for the good guys) I was thinking they might be a little down…oh well, all’s fair in love and war…except waterboarding of course.
Road Scholar
October 21st, 2011
2:11 pm
liberallefty: Possibly, if there are any Iraqis after the three factions get done shooting each other! Maybe the partitioning of Iraq would be a good thing…but how do they split up the oil revenue?
md
October 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
“by immunity does it means american soldiers can do anything to an iraqi citizen and won’t be punished?”
No, it meant no courtroom appearance if our guys had to shoot anybody……maybe even the bad guy.
Tommy Maddox
October 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
Will Bush get any credit? No. Will Obama claim it all? Yes.
Again, with his track record, the Pres will claim ANYTHING positive in the world to improve his ratings.
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
Obama Timeline suggested April 26, 2007 in debate…
About the time his predecessor was talking about vetoing an appropriations bill calling for an exit from Iraq….
Bush spox Dana Perino called it “surrendering”…..”member all that cut and run crap.
Bosch
October 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
“that giving the lefts recent bloodlust for the killing of bad guys”
ty,
Lay off the bourbon dude — there was no such thing.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
October 21st, 2011
2:12 pm
Technically, it was true on January 20, 2009, but today, “Our long national nightmare is over.”
And dedicated to criminals who got us there…
Some folks are born made to wave the flag
Ooooh, they’re red, white and blue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJeA7yD8DXg&feature=fvst
liberalefty
October 21st, 2011
2:13 pm
@joe
i see your point, i’m disabled too but rarely tell anyone online for fear they will make fun of me or sonething like that. appreciate your service to this country
kayaker 71
October 21st, 2011
2:13 pm
This will end just like VN. We pull out, the Sunis and Shias continue their fight for control of the country and there will be payback to Iran for all of the weapons and ordinance that they have provided. Iran steps in and, being the big dog on the block, and not only has a huge influence in Iraq but in Syria, Yemen, Egypt and Lybia. If I were the Saudis, I would be very worried.
This isn’t the last time we will have a presence in the Middle East, not by a long shot.
Bosch
October 21st, 2011
2:13 pm
“the Pres will claim ANYTHING positive in the world to improve his ratings”
OH NO, say it ain’t so!!!! The President being a politician!!! Who’dathunkit???????
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
2:14 pm
liberallefty — “by immunity does it means american soldiers can do anything to an iraqi citizen and won’t be punished?”
Yes and no. It’s what’s called a SOFA (Status of Forces Agreement). In it, the US and the other nation spell out the legal status of soldiers in the host country and how legal and criminal disputes involving those soldiers will be handled.
IIRC, there are SOFAs in place in most of the nations where we have permanent bases (UK, Germany, Japan, Spain, South Korea).
I don’t know a lot of details on what’s in a SOFA or how it is negotiated, but I know that they exist and that they’re used for the purposes I mentioned.
Road Scholar
October 21st, 2011
2:14 pm
JHM: Thank you for your service and I hope you can continue to lead a full and rewarding life.
Bosch
October 21st, 2011
2:15 pm
“the Sunis and Shias continue their fight for control of the country and there will be payback to Iran for all of the weapons and ordinance that they have provided. Iran steps in and, being the big dog on the block, and not only has a huge influence in Iraq but in Syria, Yemen, Egypt and Lybia. If I were the Saudis, I would be very worried”
And if that does happen, you have no one but Bush to thank for it — he broke the place.
ByteMe
October 21st, 2011
2:16 pm
Announcing that it would completely withdraw its troops from Iraq by the end of the year, President Barack Obama today maintained that the United States was not deserting Iraq, promising the Iraqi people, “We will continue to follow you on Twitter.”
Mr. Obama indicated that the United States’ relationship with Iraq would soon transition from a military one to a social networking one, with the United States promising to “Like” Iraq’s Facebook page and share contact information on LinkedIn.
Mick
October 21st, 2011
2:17 pm
yaker
Good, keep them tied up fighting each other so that they can then forget about us. When they get sick of killing each other, they can then try out peace, which is what all civilized beings strive for…
Road Scholar
October 21st, 2011
2:18 pm
liberallefty: Ditto to you and yours.
Kayaker: Then maybe the Saudis need to get off their asses…and camels…and do something positive!?!
Bosch
October 21st, 2011
2:19 pm
liberallefty,
There is one lefty in particular who gets made fun of constantly, but he never mentions his disability. One of the funniest things he ever wrote from someone who was mocking him was something like “yeah, I only have half my brain and I’m smarter than you!”
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
2:21 pm
Kayak
Do you really believe the Shiites in Iran and Iraq will somehow overcome the Sunni majority in the rest of the Middle East?
I thought by now, people that wanted to intellegently discuss the ME would at least know the difference between the two groups and understand their distaste for one another dating back to the 7th Century.
Please learn before you spew.
carlosgvv
October 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
The American people do stand united in support of our troops. A lot of us, however, think this war was a Vietnam type mistake and, in the years to come, will conclude all of our soldiers who died there died for nothiing. To make matters worse, many of us think the same conclusion will be made about all of the American lives lost in Afghanistan. And, to make matters even more worse, the suspicion grows that The Military-Industrial Complex is actually in the saddle here and will ride our Military into still more useless wars strictly for profit. And, to maximize the pain, it appears that neither Obama or any of the Republican candidates will say one word about this.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
lefty — “but rarely tell anyone online for fear they will make fun of me or sonething like that.”
Ah, I don’t worry about that sort of thing very much. I was getting some things out of my trunk at a curb the other day and some jackass honked at me. I finished what I was doing, closed the trunk (revealing the big US ARMY VETERAN bumpersticker), raised my cane, pointed at the bumpersticker and then flipped off the impatient cow who was honking at me.
“appreciate your service to this country”
Thank you very much. If you’re in a position to do something for a veteran, even just making a donation to an organization that helps them out, please give it a go. The USO, the National Coalition for Homeless Veterans and the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America are all worthy organizations.
My wife and I may or may not volunteer down at the USO facility at Hartsfield this holiday season. They’re always looking for holiday volunteers so the room can stay open and continue to serve traveling servicemembers 365 days a year.
kayaker 71
October 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
Bosch,
Any of these countries is a tinderbox waiting to go up in flames. There is too much oil wealth present for them to stabilize peacefully. Wealth means power and power has been the most important thing to them for some time. Yes, Bush got us into this mess. Perhaps it would have been better if Saddam was still the oppressor….. hell, I don’t have a crystal ball. Hope against hope,….. if Egypt develops into a Muslim Republic and Libya follows suit, do you think that any of that would have happened if not for Iraq? It’s way too soon to tell…. this isn’t over yet.
md
October 21st, 2011
2:23 pm
I’m guessing it will get very interesting once we leave:
– “I applied to the call of Sadr to participate against American occupiers,” said Salah Emarah, 35, who traveled from his home in Basra to march in the parade. “This is a peaceful demonstration against American occupiers. Sadr asked us to remain peaceful. At the end of the year, according to Iraq, the occupiers will leave. If they don’t, we will wait for orders.”
– “All the people in Sadr City are waiting for orders from Muqtada Sadr,” said Muhammad Fuad, a 28-year-old carpenter watching the parade. “And we have people all over Iraq — northern, southern.”
– “I came here on the orders of Moqtada al-Sadr to help kick out the occupiers from our country,” said Alaa Hussein, 21, a student taking part. “If the government keeps American troops here we will consider them an illegitimate government.”
– “We will not accept even one American soldier staying,” said Adnan al-Mussawi, one of the demonstrators. “Occupation has not benefited us at all, it is our religious duty to kick out every American soldier.”
The “end” is probably not yet here………………..
Road Scholar
October 21st, 2011
2:23 pm
Bosch the funniest one I heard was “I taught you all I know, and you still don’t know anything!”
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
2:24 pm
Bosch,
you must’ve missed the days on here following Ghadafi, Al Alawki, and Osama’s death…Lot’s of new found pride in the good guys(a good thing mind you)…just been waiting for it for a awhile…yesterday, in particular…I’m still wondering which one of Jay’s sheep got the soggy biscuit.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
2:24 pm
R. Scholar — “JHM: Thank you for your service and I hope you can continue to lead a full and rewarding life.”
Thanks much!
I’m still full of pee and vinegar, and working productively.
To help out disabled veterans who need more help than me, look up the Wounded Warrior Project. I donate to them on a monthly basis; they do good work with seriously injured vets from all services.
Mudfoot
October 21st, 2011
2:24 pm
@ Granny
“Dear Republicans
Can you help our Iraqi vets find JOBS when they get home?”
Please, Granny, get a grip. Once they’re done doin’ the dyin’ they become part of the ne’er-do-wells you hear conservatives piss and moan so much about, what with needing medical and psychological care and all which they can’t possibly afford on a military salary. I, however, hope to hire a bunch of these vets as they fit well into this industry, are accustomed to physical stress and are generally less fearful than most young Americans. They also possess a sense of responsibility as well as an understanding of the difference between right and wrong and the grey area in between. Both are valuable commodities which are becoming rare.
C’mon back y’all, you may not see your families a whole lot more than you do now working for me but you’ll be paid well for the effort and respected for your previous efforts. Plus you can revel in the fact that your livlihood is one that 99% of people simply cannot do
Soothsayer
October 21st, 2011
2:25 pm
Shout Hallelujah! Now we just need to get out of Afghanistan and cut our military to about 1/3 of what it is now and balance our budget! Finally!
End the “wars to nowhere.”
Obama 2012
October 21st, 2011
2:26 pm
Wondering if Bush had disposed of Bin Laden and Quaddafi then ended the war in Iraq during his Presidency….people would be calling for a change in the Constitution to allow him to run for a third term.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
October 21st, 2011
2:26 pm
Looks like Steve Jobs wasn’t too happy with the president…
“You’re headed for a one-term presidency,” he told Obama at the start of their meeting, insisting that the administration needed to be more business-friendly. As an example, Jobs described the ease with which companies can build factories in China compared to the United States, where “regulations and unnecessary costs” make it difficult for them.
Jobs also criticized America’s education system, saying it was “crippled by union work rules,” noted Isaacson. “Until the teachers’ unions were broken, there was almost no hope for education reform.” Jobs proposed allowing principals to hire and fire teachers based on merit, that schools stay open until 6 p.m. and that they be open 11 months a year.
md
October 21st, 2011
2:26 pm
“And if that does happen, you have no one but Bush to thank for it — he broke the place.”
No Bosch……..one can’t finger Bush if Egypt, Libya, or Syria join in the mayhem………….that would be stretching it………..
Soothsayer
October 21st, 2011
2:26 pm
Oops! — cut our military budget –
kayaker 71
October 21st, 2011
2:26 pm
Armed Liberal,
I defer to your vast knowledge about the ME. You have no idea how this will play out anymore than I do. Mere speculation.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 21st, 2011
2:28 pm
Bosch, Joe and Libleft…. I try to remember that it really is “differently abled” because “disable” conveys the wrong impression. Its more that PC as the numbnuts try to claim, it is trying to convey a message that these are differences not always disabilities.
Now I am off to change dogs as my contribution to enabling independence and more for some great people, including some vets.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
October 21st, 2011
2:28 pm
But hey, who cares what Steve Jobs says anyway? I know you liberals on this blog know much more than he does about business. LOL
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
October 21st, 2011
2:28 pm
My admonition for our youth out there:
Never, ever, ever give these right wing, pro-torture faketriots the chance to kill more American kids just to satisfy their own craven ideology of blind hatred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7vCww3j2-w
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
2:28 pm
how did “finger Bush” get past the moderator?
WOODSTOCK MIKE
October 21st, 2011
2:30 pm
“Never, ever, ever give these right wing, pro-torture faketriots the chance to kill more American kids just to satisfy their own craven ideology of blind hatred.”
How many troops has Obama sent to Afghanistan?
Road Scholar
October 21st, 2011
2:30 pm
JHM: Thanks for the reccomendations…I’ll donate to them this Holiday season as I hope others will take your advice and do so also.
md
October 21st, 2011
2:30 pm
“End the “wars to nowhere.””
I cringe when I see that word “end” in relation to the ME……..I think it is just getting started………
And don’t forget we have an agreement to protect the Saudis…….who do not get along with Iran and it’s buddies…………..
We are 99%....of the problem.
October 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
Thank you President Bush for establishing this time line and thank you to the current administration for maintaining it. Well done.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
Mudfoot — “I, however, hope to hire a bunch of these vets as they fit well into this industry, are accustomed to physical stress and are generally less fearful than most young Americans.”
I’m not interested for myself, but what sort of jobs do you hope to fill with these returning veterans? Are you in contact with transition counselors at area military posts? They can connect you to servicemembers who are transitioning out of the military and who will be looking for jobs.
Mick
October 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
woodstock
I wonder what jobs thought of the previous president? In the end – who cares what jobs thought about the this president or last? He made some good electronics but an expert on education? Think not. He seemed to do just fine with his education and a garage…in case you missed it-
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/10/20/us-businesses-not-being-strangled-by-regulation-and-taxation-world-bank-says/
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
““the Pres will claim ANYTHING positive in the world to improve his ratings”
OH NO, say it ain’t so!!!! The President being a politician!!! Who’dathunkit??????? ”
Yeah. You got to expect Obama to take full credit for this withdrawal w/out even mentioning the agreement from 2008.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
2:32 pm
Ty Webb, you either missed my comment or are ignoring my question.
I’m a disabled veteran. Are you calling me a liar?
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
2:34 pm
The troops are out but the mercs will be there for a long long time…
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/obama-iraq-eternal/
We are 99%....of the problem.
October 21st, 2011
2:34 pm
Enter your comments here
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
2:36 pm
kayaker 71
October 21st, 2011
2:26 pm
As you have now acknowledged me as your intellectual better, please stop.
barking frog
October 21st, 2011
2:37 pm
Great News! ….but who will protect the oilfields that are vital to our supply? I cannot see a need
for Afghanistan unless it’s Pakistan and their nuke….and while we’re withdrawing why not from
Japan, Germany, and ENGLAND…?
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
2:37 pm
We are 99%….of the problem.
October 21st, 2011
2:31 pm
Thank you President Bush for establishing this time line and thank you to the current administration for maintaining it. Well done.
and thank you President Obama for suggesting the plan in April 2007, whilst the GOP was still hollering “cut and run” and Thank you President Bush for finally putting it in writing after President Obama was elected
he had to have some positive legacy I guess….
better late than never
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
October 21st, 2011
2:37 pm
The “surge” that you Permanent War boys wanted, but are so damn cowardly won’t even admit to?
Spare me the deflections away from the criminal heroes that you voted for and supported every botched step of the way.
Had BHO gotten those guys out of Quagmire, Part Deux immediately upon his election – which is what I said he should do – YOU and your gang of never-served, never-will militarists would have raised holy hell.
So save your pious indignation for somebody dumb enough to fall for it…
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
2:38 pm
Joe Mama,
kinda, I don’t really care for back and fourths with you(and that’s says a lot, because I can usually, have a fairly civil and thoughful debate with numerous commenters here perceived to be on the opposite “side” as me politically) . I appreciate all Vet’s for their service. Regarding anonymous commenters on this blog, you have nothing to prove to me.
kayaker 71
October 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
Armed Liberal,
Neva’ happen. It was sarcasm. Wow….. the obvious often alludes the most well intentioned. Come down from that pedestal….. the rarefied air is getting to you.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
Armed Liberal via Wired — “State will be commanding a much larger security presence, the equivalent of a heavy combat brigade.”
If the figure of 5,500 security contractors is accurate, then yeah, that’s actually a pretty *beefy* heavy combat brigade. It’s actually about twice the size of the light brigades that were part of the 25th Infantry Division when I was in it back in the late 80s.
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
2:40 pm
Joe mama,
and the “kinda” in my 2:38 was directed at your question of whether or not I’m ignoring you?…Not whether or not I doubted your service.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
2:42 pm
ty webb — “Joe Mama, kinda”
The rest of your piffle can go hang, sir. Are you calling me a liar or not?
Either stand by your earlier words, or retract them like a gentleman.
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
2:43 pm
Joe,
see my 2:40.
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
2:44 pm
kayaker 71
October 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
Get over yourself. You posit the takeover of the ME by the Shiites with no regard to the historical animus between the two sects.
Your post simplifies a very complex situation and you expect to be treated as if your assertions are anything more than right-wing blather?
Try again or go away.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
ty webb — I asked you this:
You DO recognize that several lefty posters on here are military veterans, don’t you?
and you said this:
“no, but I’m aware of what some anonymous commenters have claimed though.”
Clarify yourself, sir. I found your reply offensive, and your failure to elaborate upon it only offends me further.
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
2:45 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
2:39 pm
Yep, and with the lack of an immunity agreement, things will get ugly.
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
2:48 pm
It’s telling to see the difference in opinions with regards to Obama (campaign) speech between Jay and Kyle.
“Btw, the Obama administration has been trying for months to get an extension to leave several thousand troops in Iraq after Dec. 31. Baghdad refused, and now the president comes out and says he’s removing all of ‘em. No mention of that, today, either…”
Any truth to this claim?
F. Sinkwich
October 21st, 2011
2:49 pm
Have the libs and their ilk spent the peace dividend yet?
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
2:49 pm
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/10/17/iraqi-government-balks-in-negotiations-over-extending-u-s-troop-presence/
“The Associated Press reported on Saturday that all U.S. troops would leave Iraq by December 31, except for 160 active-duty troops attached to the U.S. embassy in Baghdad. The Obama Administration denied this report, maintaining that negotiations were continuing and no final decision had been made.
The Obama Administration had been negotiating to extend the U.S. military presence, now down to about 40,000 troops, past the December 31 deadline for withdrawal set by the 2008 Status of Forces Agreement. But Iraq’s government reportedly refused to continue giving immunity from prosecution in Iraqi courts to any U.S. troops that remain beyond December 31.”
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
2:50 pm
Joe mama,
don’t care what offends you. If you served, you should take pride in that, and thanks for your service. I don’t know you. So I can’t say one way or the other. Am I also to believe your name is really “Joe Hussein Mama”?…All I know for sure is that I really can’t stand most of the things you post here…and your service, real or not, has nothing to do with it.
Jefferson
October 21st, 2011
2:50 pm
Time to cut defense spending and military retirements, cut,cut, cut….
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
2:51 pm
I know my link from 2:49 is from heritage so I’m Jay for his take on it. Any truth to this?
wow
October 21st, 2011
2:51 pm
@ Joe Hussein Mama, sounds like you need to find something else to keep you busy. ty webb doesn’t owe you anything, including an explanation. Seems like your energy could be better used elsewhere.
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
2:52 pm
Jefferson
October 21st, 2011
2:50 pm
Yes to the first part and a big fat NO to the second.
Mudfoot
October 21st, 2011
2:53 pm
@Joe
I’m in the cell tower industry and presently about half of my 60 employees are vets, and they’re the most productive AND the most appreciative people I’ve got. I have not as yet spoken to any transition counselors but will certainly do so. Word of mouth also seems to work well within the military community as that is how most guys have found us. (Try putting an ad in the paper any more and you’ll find that alot of people show up without fully reading said ad and discovering what it is we actually do – when they find out 50% run for the hills and the other 50% swear that thasy aren’t and will never be afraid of heights. Out of that 50% we quickly help most of those people find out that they actually DO fear heights… badly. You’re left with a very few remaining, and you have to filter them for other deal-breakers such as rampant drug addiction, warrants etc.) Many of these vets have plenty communications experience too, and they aren’t afraid to go where the work is. (Think about it – the majority of towers are not in the nicer neighborhoods and crews are robbed at sites often… but not my crews
)
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
October 21st, 2011
2:53 pm
Another Viet Nam, and thousands of flag-draped coffins, soon behind us and the war-fans from afar STILL don’t get it.
And I can’t decide if I should be enraged or just heartbroken…
Oh let mine (oh let my small voice) be a voice for peace
Let it start here with me, oh let mine be a voice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGQNEz-WEQ
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
October 21st, 2011
3:00 pm
Wait, is that Dick Cheney or the sound or a toilet …
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
3:01 pm
Ty Webb — “Joe mama, don’t care what offends you.”
You sir, are both dishonest and a coward.
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
3:03 pm
Mudfoot
October 21st, 2011
2:53 pm
I will give you a million dollars to put an AT&T tower in East Lake.
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
3:03 pm
Actually al-Maliki wanted to keep some troops as trainers – but without
immunity.
President Obama said basically k thanks bye.
Mudfoot
October 21st, 2011
3:04 pm
Just found the military.com transition center. Thanks Joe!
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
3:04 pm
wow — “Joe Hussein Mama, sounds like you need to find something else to keep you busy.”
Have a nice day, drive-by.
“ty webb doesn’t owe you anything, including an explanation.”
Ty Webb insinuated that liberal posters here who claimed veteran status were being untruthful. As a disabled veteran, I’m mightily offended by that.
I can demand an explanation from him all I want, and he can refuse all he wants. I’m actually glad he finally refused, because it tells me what sort of dishonorable person he is.
“Seems like your energy could be better used elsewhere.”
As could yours, drive-by.
Finn McCool
October 21st, 2011
3:06 pm
And kyle is po’d Obama didn’t give credit to Bush – just like after Bin Laden was killed.
Here’s an idea: If St louis wins the World Series, they should give a lot of credit (maybe even part of the trophy) to the Atlanta Braves for not finishing strongly so the Cardinals could clinch the wildcard??
Pathetic.
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
3:06 pm
“Actually al-Maliki wanted to keep some troops as trainers – but without
immunity.
President Obama said basically k thanks bye.”
You have a link to a story, Granny? I’m skeptical when it comes to how heritage words things
. I tried googling but my google-powers are off today (it’s Friday) seeing as this is all I could find.
Mudfoot
October 21st, 2011
3:06 pm
@Armed
Yeah I hear that often. New site aquisition is big business and lucrative for the property owners, but the NIMBY syndrome greatly complicates the process. Everyone wants excellent cell service but noone wants a tower in their neighborhood.
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
3:08 pm
“Pathetic.”
Obama gets credit for going through with an agreement signed by his predecessor. Now if Obama had re-negotiated something and brought all troops home sooner, then it’d be something to boast about.
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
3:08 pm
On a side note: http://politicalscoop.wmur.com/exclusive-all-bachmann-nh-staffers-quit
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA….
Now I’m going to have to find someone else to vote for in the primary…
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
3:08 pm
Mudfoot — “I’m in the cell tower industry and presently about half of my 60 employees are vets, and they’re the most productive AND the most appreciative people I’ve got. I have not as yet spoken to any transition counselors but will certainly do so.”
Excellent! I suggest you contact the transition counselors at Fort Gordon, outside Augusta, as the US Army Signal School is there. You might find a passel of qualified troopers at that post.
Also consider Fort Benning, outside Columbus (Infantry school) and Fort Stewart, near Hinesville. Stewart used to host the 24th Infantry Division when I was in, but the 24th has been inactivated and the 3d Div is there now.
Good luck in your candidate search, and thank you for hiring veterans!
Jay
October 21st, 2011
3:08 pm
Yes, PDawg, that’s accurate. Obama and the Iraqis were trying to find a way to keep a few thousand troops in Iraq as trainers, but the issue of immunity could not be resolved. We wouldn’t keep them there without it, and the Iraqi Parliament couldn’t bring itself to grant that immunity. After the invasion and occupation, they’re not too cool with ceding any sovereign rights to the Americans.
Obama alluded to all this in his statement, saying that Americans keep their commitments but that the Iraqis said they wanted to assume all responsibility.
Mudfoot
October 21st, 2011
3:09 pm
Gotta go downtown
. Thanks again Joe, that’s a good lead for new hires
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
October 21st, 2011
3:10 pm
The tough on crime dupes ups and “Don’t blame Wall Street’ asskissers should have listened to George Carlin instead of Dick Cheney:
“The death penalty doesn’t mean anything unless you use it against people who are afraid to die. Like… bankers who launder the drug money… you want to slow down the drug traffic, you got to start executing a few of those f*cking bankers. White, middle class Republican bankers. Let’s bring back crucifixions… on TV… Halftime! Monday Night! The Monday Night Crucifixions! You start nailing one white banker per week to a big wooden cross, you’re going to see that drug traffic begin to slow down…”
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
3:10 pm
Peadwag you are always so nice to me..how could I possibly refuse you?
BAGHDAD, Oct. 16, 2011 (Reuters) — Just weeks before U.S. troops plan to leave Iraq, the country’s political elite and Washington are at odds over whether American soldiers stay as trainers: Baghdad rejects any legal immunity for U.S. soldiers and Washington says that means no deal.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
3:10 pm
Mudfoot — “Just found the military.com transition center. Thanks Joe!”
Thank YOU, Mudfoot! I know some transitioning veterans are going to be REAL happy to talk to you!
Kamchak
October 21st, 2011
3:10 pm
Joe Mama
An insult is like poison or strong drink, it can only affect you if you accept it.
#occupy my desk...
October 21st, 2011
3:12 pm
Oh my God – from the AJC – “The American withdrawal by the end of 2011 was sealed in a deal between the two countries when George W. Bush was president. Obama declared the end of the combat mission earlier this year.”
So this isn’t so much steadfast, decisive leadership as it is reiteration of something that had been planned for 4-5 years? And he already took credit for it a few months ago – anything to deflect his many follies with a popular stunt.
At least they will be home just in time to help him move out of the White House…
Mudfoot
October 21st, 2011
3:12 pm
“Good luck in your candidate search, and thank you for hiring veterans!”
No thanks necessary. Believe me, vets are the most qualified people I get and they don’t suffer prim-donna syndrome. Thanks again, I’ll def follow up on all these leads
Michelle Bachmann
October 21st, 2011
3:12 pm
We should build a double fence around Iraq and fill the middle with bible verses.
ragnar danneskjold
October 21st, 2011
3:12 pm
Good afternoon all. Must be the loss of the teleprompter, but Chauncey’s language hit me funny: “The last Americans soldiers will cross the border out of Iraq with their heads held high. ” By cross the border, does he mean they will be marching to the northeast?
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
3:12 pm
Jay @ 3:08
Why was Obama doing this? Who wanted us there past December 31st, Obama or the Iraqis?
jm
October 21st, 2011
3:13 pm
yeah. come what may, I’m glad we’re done.
no immunity, no troops.
jm
October 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
It’d be nice to focus on rebuilding America. But we’re now tapped out. Blame Bush. Blame Obama.
No more money available now to “rebuild” America (infrastructure, education) unless you cut entitlements.
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
3:15 pm
I’ll give Bush credit if he’ll land on an aircraft carrier solo this time.
I’ll give Bush credit if he get’s Cheney to admit he was behind the Valarie Plame fiasco.
I’ll give Bush credit if he’ll take a lie detector about his military service.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
October 21st, 2011
3:17 pm
I’m sure the entire deadly debacle was just one big laughfest for you, huh rag?
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
3:17 pm
“’ll give Bush credit if he’ll take a lie detector about his military service.”
uh oh…doubting one’s military service…you, SIR, offend me.
Adam
October 21st, 2011
3:18 pm
Joe Mama: Ha ha! Dave R. was WRONG!
Surprised?
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
3:19 pm
ty webb – You sir, are a tool.
Adam
October 21st, 2011
3:20 pm
md: Now, do the same with Afghanistan and leave the drones……………
That’s not a bad idea….
md
October 21st, 2011
3:20 pm
“The death penalty doesn’t mean anything unless you use it against people who are afraid to die”
Which is why MAD won’t work with Iran……….
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
armed liberal,
touche, you, sir.
md
October 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
Adam…….if we leave Afghanistan, the Taliban will come out in the open……prime targets at that point.
#occupy my desk...
October 21st, 2011
3:22 pm
Armed Liberal – I’ll give Obama credit if he will let us have a peek at his education records.
I’ll give Obama credit if he will come clean on Blagojevich
I’ll give Obama credit if he will come clean on Solyndra
I’ll give Obama credit if he will come clean on Rezko
I’ll give Obama credit if he will take responsibilities for his failures
I’ll give Obama credit if he will tell us where those shovel ready jobs went
I’ll give Obama credit if he will hold holder accountable for fast and furious
I’ll give Obama credit if he will promote all jobs, not just union ones
We could do this all day – and as a former carrier pilot, that wouldn’t be a pretty sight.
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
3:24 pm
ty webb: based on the following, I accept your admission of defeat.
1. touche
an expression borrowed from French used
1)to admit that an opponent in an argument has made a good point
2)when someone has said a good comeback line
3)to concede a point to an opponent when fencing
wow
October 21st, 2011
3:24 pm
@ Joe, you are obviously very bitter and angry and uneducated. It’s a real shame. And your comments about me (drive by) I actually take as a compliment because it just proves that I have much better things to do with my time than wasting it taking shots at people who only have the guts to say the things they say because they can hide behind a computer.
I’ve wasted enough of my time on you, I hope one day you find something important to do with your time.
jm
October 21st, 2011
3:25 pm
Wow. rubio slams post
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66567.html
Mr. Snarky
October 21st, 2011
3:25 pm
Alleluiah!
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
3:26 pm
#occupy my desk…
October 21st, 2011
3:22 pm
You’d better stop posting from work seeing as how your boss is a liberal.
Nice try though.
Kamchak
October 21st, 2011
3:27 pm
“teleprompter”
Another BINGO for me!
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
October 21st, 2011
3:27 pm
The worst government that mountains of dirty money can buy…
Lobbying Industry Struggles in Today’s Economy
The fact that the House under Republican control is more receptive to the concerns of business also has helped depress lobbying work, as businesses don’t feel a need for lobbyists to defend their interests in the House, says Rob Smith, co-chairman of Venable’s legislative practice group. His firm suffered a 13 percent drop in revenue in the first three quarters of the year.
“House Republicans are listening to industry and are helping to push their priorities,” Smith told The Hill. “Part of the Republican jobs plan is to roll back or block some environmental measures that hurt the private sector, so industry may not feel they need much outside help right now.”
And you buttsmackers actually think the banksters on Wall Street and their 10,000 stooges on K Street actually give a ____ about trickling down on you, don’t you?
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/LobbyingIndustry-financial-economy/2011/10/21/id/415345
Otherwise, how can one explain a lying jerk like Herman getting ANY traction?
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
3:30 pm
Armed liberal,
sorry, typo…meant douche, sir, you.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
3:30 pm
Ty Webb — “uh oh…doubting one’s military service…you, SIR, offend me.”
Hypocrite. You should be ashamed of yourself.
stands for decibels
October 21st, 2011
3:31 pm
do the same with Afghanistan and leave the drones…
take the cannoli.
Adam
October 21st, 2011
3:32 pm
jm: No more money available now to “rebuild” America (infrastructure, education) unless you
cut entitlementsraise taxes.FYT.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
3:33 pm
Adam — “Surprised?”
Not at all. Dave’s worst qualities always seemed to be the ones he told you were his *best;* his maturity, his intelligence, his sense of political currents, etc.
I’m pretty sure that a sitting President is better able to play the political game than some d00d who used to be a county commissioner somewhere.
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
3:33 pm
“You should be ashamed of yourself.”
what…no “sir”?
Adam
October 21st, 2011
3:33 pm
#occupy my desk: So if I could prove Obama has done just ONE of those you’d give him credit?
Adam
October 21st, 2011
3:34 pm
Kamchak: “teleprompter”
Another BINGO for me!
Am I the only one that notice he HASN’T used his teleprompter lately?
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
3:35 pm
ty webb: No take backs. You lose, I win.
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
3:35 pm
#occupy my desk…
October 21st, 2011
3:22 pm
Bless Your Heart
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
October 21st, 2011
3:36 pm
#, what a joke.
You birther tools got punked in the most humiliating manner possible and now you freaks want his college transcripts?
Doubling down on the dumbass…
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
3:36 pm
Mitt Romney
Bless Your heart
Adam
October 21st, 2011
3:36 pm
Joe Mama: In a way I’m sad he’s gone. Because I wanted to be able to respond to him praising the Republicans for having “good negotiating tactics” on the debt ceiling but bashing Obama for doing EXACTLY the same thing regarding the jobs bill and tax hikes on millionaires.
jm
October 21st, 2011
3:37 pm
Adam. I don’t have typos. I’m perfect.
jm
October 21st, 2011
3:38 pm
Jay. Well, he has a point. I’m glad we’re done.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
3:39 pm
wow — “Joe, you are obviously very bitter and angry and uneducated. It’s a real shame”
The shame here is that your guesses are so terribly inaccurate. (laughing)
I don’t appreciate fair-weather patriots who slag on veterans just because those veterans happen to have different political views and opinions. I’ve been berated to my *face* and told that I was “not a veteran any more” because I had a Kerry bumper sticker on my car.
Bitter and angry? No. That’d be the lackwit who told me that my veteran status was (apparently) determined by my political status. And when I see that sort of foolishness online, I call it out. Too bad you don’t come down on the side of American veterans; there are a lot of us out there and we’re mostly good people, regardless of whom we vote for.
On the topic of being “uneducated,” chuckle.
Whatever you say. (laughing)
“And your comments about me (drive by) I actually take as a compliment because it just proves that I have much better things to do with my time than wasting it taking shots at people who only have the guts to say the things they say because they can hide behind a computer.”
Said the drive-by as he hid behind his computer. (laughing, pointing)
“I’ve wasted enough of my time on you, I hope one day you find something important to do with your time.”
Don’t let the door hit you in the butt on your way out, drive-by. (giggling)
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
3:39 pm
Jay
October 21st, 2011
3:35 pm
The more Mitt says stuff like this, the more I look forward to the real debates…
No diving allowed in the Romney-any-policy-pool, it’s way too shallow.
Kamchak
October 21st, 2011
3:40 pm
I’ll give Obama credit if he will let us have a peek at his education records.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
stands for decibels
October 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
“President Obama’s astonishing failure
Speaking of failure–anyone know what this jagoff has done since losing the nomination last time around?
I mean besides pissing and moaning about Obama?
what a friggin’ jerk.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
Ty Webb — “what…no “sir”?
Not to you. Not any more.
1811/0311
October 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
“Private” Obama’s opinion trumps the views of our highest military commanders. It’s just the way it works ……… like it or not.
That said, his real test of leadership will be what he does if Iraq starts going down the tubes again.
Jay
October 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
I think that response from Romney deserves a post of its own….
josef
October 21st, 2011
3:42 pm
The thread…we’ll see what happens…the Romany Lady and I are laying 3-1 odds that the Iraqi state breaks up…might not be such a bad idea if it did…
1811/0311
October 21st, 2011
3:43 pm
JAY:
If you open this up you will find a REAL NICE chart.
Headline: “GALLUP: OBAMA APPROVAL SKIDS TO NEW LOW…”
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150230/Obama-Job-Approval-Average-Slides-New-Low-11th-Quarter.aspx
thewindwhistler
October 21st, 2011
3:47 pm
How much would you like to bet? The U.S. will be there for all eternity. The Iraqis could not stand the loss of income if the troops left. It is just like occuping Germany, the whole infrastructure depends on the U.S. being there
wow
October 21st, 2011
3:48 pm
@ Joe, I find it very interesting how you come down on others for assuming things about you, but you are doing the exact same thing. All I originally said was that ty did not owe you anything, which he doesn’t.
I called you out for being uneducated because that is exactly how you were acting. You know nothing about me, nor my views on veterans. It is a shame that anyone would tell you that you no longer qualified as a veteran for any reason, I do not agree with that on any level. But you my friend have been and are being just as petty as many of the other people here.
I enjoy reading what is written on many articles published, but I do not always comment. That is my choice and as you said, not something I should come under fire for just because someone (you) doesn’t agree.
I appreciate what you did for our country, just as I appreciate what my grandfather, grandmother, father, father-in-law and MYSELF did for this county.
1811/0311
October 21st, 2011
3:48 pm
JAY:
Does Congress have the power (over a presidential veto I would assume) to refuse funding to bring the troops home?
Kamchak
October 21st, 2011
3:49 pm
If you open this up you will find a REAL NICE
chartrabbit hole.AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
October 21st, 2011
3:50 pm
Poor Mitt.
Still hoping that pretending to be a simpleton neo-con is gonna endear him to that crowd.
Shawny
October 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
“by end of year”…. by end of WHAT year?
This is going to be interesting.
Then we need to get out of all the other countries too. To expensive to support.
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
3:51 pm
1811/0311
October 21st, 2011
3:48 pm
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LOBBY YOUR CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS TO PUSH THIS!!!
PLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEE???
Jm
October 21st, 2011
3:52 pm
Occupy is the dumbest thing ever
Via bloomberg
They are now doing occupy moma because they think the art museums are elitist and a way the 1% abuse power
No joke. These people are the biggest morons on the planet bar none
resno2
October 21st, 2011
3:53 pm
Granny? You want the Republicans to find the returning vets (btw… all obama did was say they are coming home in the next couple of months, no one is actually home yet) jobs?
Isn’t job creation the job of the federal government?
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
3:54 pm
I think that response from Romney deserves a post of its own….
here’s my response to Mitt Romney
I apologize if this offends anyone……but it must be articulated.
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
October 21st, 2011
3:55 pm
I have a friend who has been in Iraq, with one of the big contractors, for several years.
She is very Republican.
When I’ve asked her about the situation there, regarding the infrastructure, social stability, etc, she pretty much rolls her eyes and tells me that it is still a joke.
The chickenhawks have wasted hundreds of billions of dollars accomplishing damn near nothing there except padding the P & L statements of those contractors.
And they don’t even regret doing so…
1811/0311
October 21st, 2011
3:55 pm
“The dark scourge of anti-Semitism has reared up at many “Occupy” protests across the country, and the subject could well become a campaign 2012 issue as Republicans have been quick to point out to voters that many Democrats, including the president, are aligning themselves with the protests.”
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
3:56 pm
Today, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) abruptly canceled his speech on income inequality scheduled for this afternoon at the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania.
SHOCKING!! Cantor’s afraid of his fellow Americans!
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/10/21/350550/breaking-upenn-disputes-cantors-explaination-for-cancelation-says-speech-was-always-open-to-the-public/
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
3:56 pm
wow — “Joe, I find it very interesting how you come down on others for assuming things about you, but you are doing the exact same thing.”
No, I’m not. Ty obliquely insinuated that liberal posters here who claim to be veterans are not actually veterans. I asked him several times to clarify himself and point-blank told him what he seemed to be saying. He declined every request to clarify himself.
I made NO assumptions. I REPEATEDLY asked for clarification. Not receiving any, I’m content with my personal impressions of Ty.
“All I originally said was that ty did not owe you anything, which he doesn’t. ”
I agree. He doesn’t owe me anything. And I’m not going to treat him with any sort of respect, forebearance or politeness going forward. Perhaps you also recognize that *I* don’t owe *him* any of *that.*
“I called you out for being uneducated because that is exactly how you were acting.”
Go jump in a lake. You wrongly berate me for assuming when you’re doing *exactly* that. (laughing)
“You know nothing about me, nor my views on veterans.”
I didn’t ASK you your views on veterans, I didn’t COMMENT on your views on veterans and I don’t CARE what your views are on veterans. I was speaking with Ty before you butted in.
“It is a shame that anyone would tell you that you no longer qualified as a veteran for any reason, I do not agree with that on any level.”
Thank you.
“But you my friend have been and are being just as petty as many of the other people here.”
Noted and rejected.
“I enjoy reading what is written on many articles published, but I do not always comment. That is my choice and as you said, not something I should come under fire for just because someone (you) doesn’t agree.”
You’re coming under fire for not knowing WTF you’re talking about. Ty obliquely insulted liberal veterans on here and refused to clarify himself. I don’t owe him any understanding for that, and you’ve gotten a lot more explanation than YOU deserve.
“I appreciate what you did for our country, just as I appreciate what my grandfather, grandmother, father, father-in-law and MYSELF did for this county.”
Your views on veterans are not in question here. Get over yourself.
resno2
October 21st, 2011
3:57 pm
Talk about timing! He can’t get his jobs bill passed, even in little pieces, and an election is next year…hmmmm.
Anyone want to put money on who’s fault it will be when he can’t pull if off, or if something bad happens because of this?
1811/0311
October 21st, 2011
3:57 pm
Armed Liberal:
Calm down before you have a stroke …………… just a hypothetical question.
They certainly have the power (of the purse) to keep them from going there in the first place. Just one of the built in “checks and balances”.
In 1975, President Ford authorized additional military aid for South Viet Nam but the U.S. Congress refused funding.
Nothing new here ………………………
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
3:58 pm
“here’s my response to Mitt Romney
I apologize if this offends anyone……but it must be articulated.”
I’ll remember that the next time you whine about another person’s post being offensive.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
3:58 pm
Cain adjusts ‘Nein-nein-nein’ plan:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/10/21/8431269-cain-tweaks-plan-to-9-0-9-for-poor-americans
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
3:58 pm
1811/0311
October 21st, 2011
3:55 pm
WRONG
Right-wing pundits and Republican Party figures are continuing their attempt to smear the Occupy Wall Street movement as anti-Semitic, but we now have more evidence that the charge is profoundly dishonest.
http://www.salon.com/2011/10/21/homeless_anti_semite_was_around_long_before_occupy/singleton/
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
3:58 pm
resno2 asks
“Isn’t job creation the job of the federal government?”
Not according to Romney and the rest of the GOP.
Have you just woken from a 3 year sleep Mr. Van Winkle?
1811/0311
October 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
Joe Mama:
Did you ever agree that the ACLU is helping schools refuse meeting places for relgious groups while allowing others ?
josef
October 21st, 2011
3:59 pm
One scenario…the US pulls out, Iraq falls apart, the Sunni and Shia go cut-throat, the Christians and other religious minorities go to Kurdistan, Kurdistan invites the Americans in for protection, the Americans come in, get their bases to check Iran, the Kurdish-Israeli cooperation comes more into the open, commercially on the face and a strengthening of the current covert military cooperation and pretty much everybody will have gotten what they worked so hard for…
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
4:00 pm
Peadawg
Thanks, I always welcome your warm and friendly advice.
I won’t argue the differences between the two situations because it’s above your head.
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
4:02 pm
“I won’t argue the differences between the two situations because it’s above your head.”
You’re posting something that may be offensive to someone while complaining about someone else’s post being offensive. Seems a little hypocritical to me.
jm
October 21st, 2011
4:03 pm
Occupy is dumb
josef
October 21st, 2011
4:04 pm
Armed Liberal
You can believe that if you want to. That one particular yee-haw was e pluiborum unus…I’m not at all saying that OWS is antiSemitic, but it does have its more than fair share…there are plenty examples to be found in a cursory google search…
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
October 21st, 2011
4:04 pm
Forget it corporal.
The MOTs, by a huge margin, are never gonna trust you faux conservative frauds.
And all of your silly false-alarms aren’t gonna change that.
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
4:04 pm
ooooooo look, Peadawg is transitioning into a concern-troll… ain’t it cute to see ‘em grow up and mature?
md
October 21st, 2011
4:05 pm
“the Romany Lady and I are laying 3-1 odds that the Iraqi state breaks up”
And probably after a fairly bloody period…….Sadr has been itching for a fight since day one…..biding his time until the US left..
His time seems to have arrived………….
Adam
October 21st, 2011
4:05 pm
Wow Romney, wow.
Also Cantor, wow. Canceling your speech.
Republicans are in a tizzy right now. I guess they can’t handle back to back successes of someone they hate so much. Gotta take time off and go get drunk maybe.
Peadawg
October 21st, 2011
4:06 pm
“ooooooo look, Peadawg is transitioning into a concern-troll… ain’t it cute to see ‘em grow up and mature?”
Concerned about what? I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy.
Who are you, anyways? I’ve only seen the name “Armed Liberal” in the past couple of weeks. Must be a name changer.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
4:07 pm
1811 — “Did you ever agree that the ACLU is helping schools refuse meeting places for relgious groups while allowing others ?”
I read your link last evening, but I didn’t see anything substantive in it; it seemed only to make a bunch of unsupported claims.
Any chance you could post something more objective — maybe some legal commentary, an amicus brief, something highlighting it in a law journal? I recognize that you probably wouldn’t want to post something from a ‘lamestream’ or ‘librul’ site, but maybe some law review or law journal has something pertaining to it.
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
4:07 pm
“Ty obliquely insinuated that liberal posters here who claim to be veterans are not actually veterans.”
“obliquely insinuated”? What a crock. I should no more assume you are telling the truth about your military service as I should assume that your name is really “Joe Hussein Mama”. You being a liberal has nothing to do with it…Good grief…I sure feel sorry for whoever has to give you your daily affirmation…that has to be a tiring job.
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
4:08 pm
josef
October 21st, 2011
4:04 pm
You can find nuts, zealots, and flat out whack-jobs in any crowd. They do not represent the entire OWS movement. To suggest otherwise is silly.
For instance, the Tea Party protests had folks portraying Obama as the Joker. Can I therefore infer that the Tea Party are all Batman fans? Nope, doesn’t fly.
Try again.
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
Armed Liberal
For a young whipper snapper I DO think he has potential.
(Don’t tell him, but I kinda’ like him)
Adam
October 21st, 2011
4:13 pm
ty: What you are basically showing is that you have no respect.
md
October 21st, 2011
4:13 pm
“Kurdistan invites the Americans in for protection, the Americans come in”
Hmmm….not too sure on that one……going back “in” may be even harder than getting out.
resno2
October 21st, 2011
4:14 pm
Granny, if you take the second part of my post in context with the first, you will find sarcasim.
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
4:09 pm
Well, be careful and wear protection as you break him in.
(Yes, Pdawg, that was a joke – not a very good one but I laughed.)
resno2
October 21st, 2011
4:15 pm
Adam, what are obama’s back to back successes?
wow
October 21st, 2011
4:16 pm
Joe – “Your views on veterans are not in question here. Get over yourself.”
You, yourself do don’t deserve the respect you angry that you don’t receive. Maybe if you were more respectful of others or just in general a nicer person, you might receive some of that respect.
I will allow that you deserve respect for being a veteran, but for nothing more.
I will be the bigger person and apologize if anything I said to you or about you in anyway was offensive, if it was, or I did, that was wrong.
Good day to you, Sir.
josef
October 21st, 2011
4:16 pm
ARMED
You seem to miss the point I made in the beginning…I do NOT think that OWS is any more anti Semitic than I think that the Tea Party are racists…you are throwing out words like all, entire etc…and, in so doing, are missing the point that the OWS has, in its drawing of nuts from the lunatic fringe as do all such movements, drawn more than its fair share of anti Semites…and note I said “more than its FAIR share…”
The point is, this yee haw was saying crudely much the same thing you hear constantly from both left and right…
Why is Soros such a devil for the righties?
I guess it’s just my MOT atennae and the old tradition of “code word for…”
And I realize that for many “it doesn’t fly” is an easy way to avoid the tendency anytime there is a major monetary/financial/economic crisis, anti Semitism raises its ugly head with depressing consistency…
AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt
October 21st, 2011
4:17 pm
Kurdistan?
Doesn’t that border Ubeki-beki-beki-stan-stan?
(And people actually believe the guy is not a nimrod…)
Adam
October 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
resno2: First back-to-back was when he released his birth certificate, then ordered the operation to kill Osama bin Laden. Second was when he announced his plan to get the international community involved in Libya worked as intended, and then announced we would, in fact, be getting out of Iraq as scheduled (that is an accomplishment for anyone in government, just to be on time!)
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
4:18 pm
josef
October 21st, 2011
4:16 pm
My bad if I misread your post. I ain’t often right but I never been wrong…
josef
October 21st, 2011
4:20 pm
md
I’m not so sure if “back in” was a good choice of words on my part…I don’t think we’ll really be leaving to begin with…what’s been going on in Iraqi Kurdistan “under the radar” is intriguing…
Adam
October 21st, 2011
4:20 pm
resno2: BTW, the birth certificate was a “success” because it killed Trump’s campaign on the spot.
josef
October 21st, 2011
4:21 pm
ZamVet
It doesn’t even border Uzbekistan!
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
4:21 pm
josef
October 21st, 2011
4:20 pm
Yep – watch out for the Turks!
Adam
October 21st, 2011
4:22 pm
And I’m out for the day. Peace!
liberalefty
October 21st, 2011
4:22 pm
the conservatives are really mad that americans realize the soldiers died for BUSHS LIE
Armed Liberal
October 21st, 2011
4:22 pm
beer-o-clock!
see ya folks…
resno2
October 21st, 2011
4:23 pm
Making an announcement is not a success. It comes along with something he does very well which is talk. I will give him kudos IF it actually happens. I’ll also give him kudos IF he doesn’t bankrupt the country in his attempt for re-election.
josef
October 21st, 2011
4:23 pm
ARMED
Yeah, I suffer from the Jerking Knee Syndrome, too!
resno2
October 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
Trump wasn’t going to win anyway, and there really was no reason NOT to present the BC when first asked. It was political gamesmanship.
Matti's Rapture Time?
October 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
Wow.
Romney makes it really hard to like him when he says *bleep* like that. Sure, I appreciate that he’s the smartest of the motley crew of wannabes, and I will tell anyone yammering about his religion to shut he heck up because this job interview is not supposed to be about religion anyway. He’s good looking enough (though lacking in the inner sexual magnetism that isn’t about looks at all) to be President (yeah, we’re Americans; we’re shallow; it matters), and I can even forgive the flip flops because ALL men do it and I’ve spent a lifetime forgiving them for their *bleeping* flip flops. But this kind of garbage from his mouth… NO. This is clearly a case of “I liked you better when you said nothing.” Yuk!
DBCOOPER
October 21st, 2011
4:25 pm
There is nothing political about Obama pulling the troops out of Iraq. This president has brought our country CHANGE we can believe in. He has brought TRANSPARENCY to the office. He would never stoop so low as to do anything purely for political gain. Would he? We all voted for him because he brought us HOPE in our leadership. Something we haven’t had in a long time. He has transformed America into the economic giant we all knew he would. The prosperity all Americans are enjoying has been unlike any administration in U.S history. ; )
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
4:26 pm
wow — “You, yourself do don’t deserve the respect you angry that you don’t receive.”
I wasn’t angry until Ty insulted me and other veterans on here and then refused to man up and clarify his comments. I refuse to be held responsible for the comments of other posters.
“Maybe if you were more respectful of others”
I *repeatedly* and *politely* asked Ty to clarify himself and called him “sir.” If you think that’s insufficiently respectful, then I don’t think you’re being at all honest here.
“or just in general a nicer person, you might receive some of that respect.”
See above. If you think that it’s acceptable for Ty to insult veteran posters here and then refuse to clarify his comments when he’s politely asked to do so, then I don’t really care what you have to say on the matter.
“I will allow that you deserve respect for being a veteran, but for nothing more.”
Well, to hear Ty tell it, I’m either not or probably not a veteran at all.
“I will be the bigger person and apologize if anything I said to you or about you in anyway was offensive, if it was, or I did, that was wrong.”
Good. Bye now.
md
October 21st, 2011
4:26 pm
“Doesn’t that border Ubeki-beki-beki-stan-stan?”
Not sure I’d bring that up……..especially when our top “diplomat” looked anything but recently…….
Back Seater
October 21st, 2011
4:27 pm
liberalefty
October 21st, 2011
2:07 pm
@roads
maybe the iraquis will get the equipment and in 10 yrs will be fighting american soldiers with said equipment
You know so much, why don’t you call your buddy in the WH and tell him not to forget the equipment, then it won’t happen
wow
October 21st, 2011
4:28 pm
Joe- Bye, have a wonderful weekend.
md
October 21st, 2011
4:30 pm
I actually think Romney has a point…………..folks must have missed that last line.
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
4:30 pm
Adam,
no respect for what?
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
4:33 pm
and for the record…I’m an astronaut…just take my word for it.
Jay
October 21st, 2011
4:35 pm
Joe, Ty, please cease.
Joe, you do seem to have a knack for getting involved in these flame wars, doncha?
josef
October 21st, 2011
4:36 pm
Was going to go upstairs for FNM and it’s just more of this same week day crap…oh, well, all good things must come to an end and evidently FNM is one of them….
ty webb
October 21st, 2011
4:37 pm
Jay,
will do.
Granny Godzilla
October 21st, 2011
4:39 pm
resno2
sarcasm replied to with sarcasm
and in context
pogo
always delightful to hear from the hipster police.
Steve - USA
October 21st, 2011
4:39 pm
Thank Goodness….please, please, please let’s not let the wounded soldiers be forgotten. This war will actually never be over until the last permanently injured soldier passes away at hopefully an old age.
md
October 21st, 2011
4:39 pm
Ah come on Jo…….stay in the mud wrestling pit…….mud wrestling can be fun too……
Steve - USA
October 21st, 2011
4:44 pm
With apologies to Jay, here is my weekend music video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn91L9goKfQ
zadoc
October 21st, 2011
4:44 pm
I am glad that Obama is fulfilling this campaign process. The U.S. should’ve never been in Iraq in the first place.
POLL: Obama announces all troops to leave Iraq at the end of the year. What do you think?
Vote: http://www.wepolls.com/p/4382199
Tonight, travelin’ music that is very well-traveled indeed | Jay Bookman
October 21st, 2011
4:51 pm
[...] posted a more traditional, sedate version of this much-traveled song earlier, in the post about the coming end of U.S. military involvement [...]
1811/0311
October 21st, 2011
4:51 pm
Joe Mama:
1) “The ACLU also filed an amicus brief in Lamb’s Chapel v. Center Moriches Union Free School District.32 Lamb’s Chapel, a private New York Christian …”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb’s_Chapel_v._Center_Moriches_Union_Free_School_District
2) Additional information re: the lengths the ACLU has gone to purge religion from the public square.
http://books.google.com/books?id=cYjkejMuwK8C&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=ACLU+Lamb’s+Chapel+v.+Center+Moriches+Union+Free+School+District&source=bl&ots=CBPjCJh7CL&sig=_6ha3sUIGm4lZj8uLEeWOfZ9mXc&hl=en&ei=jtmhTrPkBYWhtwfS-62vBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&sqi=2&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=ACLU%20Lamb’s%20Chapel%20v.%20Center%20Moriches%20Union%20Free%20School%20District&f=false
1811/0311
October 21st, 2011
4:53 pm
Joe Mama:
Try this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb’s_Chapel_v._Center_Moriches_Union_Free_School_District
1811/0311
October 21st, 2011
4:54 pm
Joe Mama:
I don’t know why the site isn’t working.
Just Google this and you will find the case that the ACLU was involved in (and lost).
Lamb’s Chapel v. Center Moriches Union Free School District
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
4:58 pm
Jay — “Joe, Ty, please cease.”
Yes, sir.
“Joe, you do seem to have a knack for getting involved in these flame wars, doncha?”
It would so appear, though I’d much prefer polite exchanges. Perhaps you’ve noticed that 1811 and I have been making nice this week?
1811/0311
October 21st, 2011
5:01 pm
Joe Mama:
Most people on here don’t have enough character to be civil.
They are blog “Occupiers”.
Joe Hussein Mama
October 21st, 2011
5:01 pm
1811 — Thanks very much for doing that leg work. I *promise* you I will give your links the close reading they deserve. I’ll also do some linky searchy of my own using your recommended search terms.
I like that we can talk about a potentially contentious topic like this in a calm and respectful manner. Perhaps we shall find more common ground on which to stand.
1811/0311
October 21st, 2011
5:27 pm
Joe Mama:
Thank you sir.
I enjoy good debate.
I also found an ACLU website where they are giving advice on “Freedom of Religion” in schools, etc. and advising students of what their “rights” are.
However, they FAIL TO MENTION that most of those “rights” that have been granted to students (rally around the flag pole, student Christian groups after school, etc.) they initially opposed but later lost at the Supreme Court.
What arrogance and deceit.
Billy Peeler
October 21st, 2011
7:30 pm
And the reason it has taken him this damn long to keep a campaign promise he had sworn to do earlier? Simple: Now his approval ratings are shot all to hell.
Adam
October 22nd, 2011
3:00 pm
resno2: I will give him kudos IF it actually happens. I’ll also give him kudos IF he doesn’t bankrupt the country in his attempt for re-election.
No you won’t. But thanks for the platitudes.