Letting Libyans lead their own revolution proves successful

NOTE: This contains elements of an earlier post on the death of Moammar Gadhafi. It is posted here as the electronic version of today’s AJC column:

The death of dictator Moammar Gadhafi at the hands of Libyan rebels constitutes a major victory for the Libyan people and its new government. But as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton noted on her celebratory visit to Libya’s capital this week, what comes next is the hard part and in many ways the more important part.

No one can say with any certainty where Libya will go from here. A democracy of sorts could emerge; a new dictator could seize power; Islamic radicals could take control. All of those must be acknowledged as possibilities. In Libya, as in Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and elsewhere, the transition from an Arab world dominated by cruelly repressive regimes to an Arab world with a more normalized relationship between government and the governed is not going to occur quickly, and it’s not going to occur without setbacks.

Post-Sept. 11, however, preserving the status quo simply isn’t an option. “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable,” as President Kennedy put it, and NATO and American policy toward Libya reflects that hard-learned lesson. We now recognize that ferment in the Arab world can no longer be contained, and that if it isn’t allowed to change in one direction, it will change in another.

So far, so good. As U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, Republican from Florida, described it this week after visiting Libya as part of a congressional delegation, “I just left 10 hours of visiting an Arab, Islamic, enthusiastically pro-American country in terms of the people we met on the street. People were grateful, people were thankful, people were excited that we were there and the enthusiasm in the crowd was palpable everywhere we went.”

In that regard, Gadhafi’s ouster and death constitute a pretty big win for President Obama’s approach of supporting Libyan rebels militarily without putting Western troops on the ground. A low-risk policy of limited intervention has helped to remove a brutal dictator with a long history of sponsoring international terrorism. It has given the people of Libya the opportunity to create something much better for themselves, and providing that opportunity is about all the non-Arab world can hope to accomplish in that region.

We can help, offering aid and advice and support, but they’re the one who actually have to do it.

Years from now, political scientists and geopolitical strategists will probably be studying the outcome in Libya and comparing it to the outcome in Iraq. In one nation, change was forced upon it by outsiders who invested hundreds of billions of dollars in an effort at nation-building. In another, the bulk of the fighting and sacrifice came from the citizens themselves, with essential but limited support from abroad.

If we’re lucky, both nations will in time emerge as enduring, operational democracies, however they choose to define such a thing. In that sense, Iraq’s apparent insistence that all U.S. troops leave their country by the end of the year is probably a welcome sign of confidence, an indication that its people want to set their own course, even if many American experts worry that they’re not ready.

In either case, we know that the Iraq approach cannot be repeated. We lack the resources, the manpower and the sustained commitment to intervene on such a scale again. Most of all, we lack the wisdom to impose unilateral solutions on a people with a very different culture and history.

However things turn out — and there are no guarantees under either approach — the blessings of liberty and self-governance are valued most by those who have fought for and earned them for themselves.

– Jay Bookman

93 comments Add your comment

Normal

October 21st, 2011
7:29 am

Let them decide their own way. It is, after all, the right thing to do.

Joel Edge

October 21st, 2011
7:31 am

Works for me.

Granny Godzilla

October 21st, 2011
7:34 am

From Twitter

billorviswhite Bill Orvis White
I would like to thank the honorable Secy of St Condy Rice 4 Khaddafy Duck’s death. Hussein Obama had nothing to do w/ it. Amen, Bill #libya

just couldn’t help myself

Lord Help Us

October 21st, 2011
7:34 am

Competent foreign policy works…neocon foreign policy does not…

stands for decibels

October 21st, 2011
7:38 am

Competent foreign policy works…neocon foreign policy does not…

That should be any rational person’s take-away from the past decade.

Lord Help Us

October 21st, 2011
7:42 am

GOP commending everyone but Obama for the take-out of Ghaddafi…just like Osama Bin Laden…how…puny…

Characteristics of small, narrow-minded partisans. Sad…

Normal

October 21st, 2011
7:44 am

Granny G.

I have a feeling that if the Rapture does come, Bill is going to be mighty lonely… :lol:

Granny Godzilla

October 21st, 2011
7:47 am

I can see the GOP petulance not allowing a commendation to the President,

but

HOW ABOUT A “GREAT JOB” FOR OUR SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN!!

Aquagirl

October 21st, 2011
7:50 am

Let them decide their own way. It is, after all, the right thing to do.

You forget, Normal—these are funny speaking, brown, MUSLIM(gasp!) people. It’s the White Man’s burden to make decisions for them.

Joe The Plumber too.

October 21st, 2011
7:56 am

the democrat nightly prayer:
Heavenly obama, thank you for all you have provided today, thank you for taking from the evil rich to put food upon my table, thank you oh precious obama for caring enough for me to grace me with your image on every channel as you tour the country touching hands with mere mortals and remind us daily how it is you oh heavenly obama who gives us all we need, who leads us through our daily lives and who gives us every talking point our brainless heads share with others. Oh Lord obama, please take mercy on those heartless republicans that refuse to worship you and instead of having you provide every need have decided that hard work and self worth are the ways to have a bountiful life. Forgive them father obama for they know not what they do. In michelle’s holy name Lord obama Amen.

jt

October 21st, 2011
7:59 am

Competent foreign policy works…neocon foreign policy does not…
.
Showering money,death, and violence as per Lady MacDeath Hillery is hardly a competent foreign policy.
It is a progressive one.
.
For competency………….See Ron Paul.

arnold

October 21st, 2011
7:59 am

“The right thing to do”, is a common comment of President Truman. I wish he were still around.

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
8:00 am

joe – spiking your coffee so early in the morning???

first step to getting better is admitting you have a problem

Granny Godzilla

October 21st, 2011
8:02 am

I love the smell of blasphemy in the morning!

Hmmmm Hmmmm Good!

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
8:04 am

“Showering money,death, and violence as per Lady MacDeath Hillery is hardly a competent foreign policy.”

her version of letting countries lead their OWN revolutions has worked a lot better than Bush the Lesser’s nation-building.

Granny Godzilla

October 21st, 2011
8:05 am

OH AND

I just wanted to say buh bye to y’all and send my love just in case
the world does end today.

Having some trouble though…what does one wear to armageddon?

It’s after labor day so white is out….

Joe The Plumber too.

October 21st, 2011
8:07 am

oh apostle granny, your praise is all I need, today will be great now.

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
8:07 am

“what does one wear to armageddon?”

I’ve decided that Converse All-Stars and chinos work for pretty much any occasion.

and if I AM one of the “left behind”, at least I’m comfortable.

Normal

October 21st, 2011
8:08 am

You wear wings, Granny, wings…. ;)

Joe The Plumber too.

October 21st, 2011
8:08 am

apostle usinuk, I am trying to covert to obamaism, please bear with me.

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
8:10 am

Joe – sounds more like you’ve converted to everclear with your toast …

… good luck with that

Granny Godzilla

October 21st, 2011
8:11 am

Joe

if that’s all you need you are sheet outa’ luck now ain’t ya?

Granny Godzilla

October 21st, 2011
8:12 am

Normal

Wings….do they have to match my shoes and pocketbook?

Jim163

October 21st, 2011
8:13 am

Crossfire my arse….He was summarily executed. Not saying that’s a bad thing though.

Joe The Plumber too.

October 21st, 2011
8:15 am

apostle usinuk, I have purchased both obama books but this conversion might take awhile as I keep falling asleep in the second paragraph. Lucky for me HE is a loving obama and will give me time to find my way through the wilderness. I’m just an old chunk of coal but I’ll be an obamanite someday.

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
8:15 am

GG and Normal – if you can’t get wings, you can at least get a long, black rain coat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prUYzLJ_4KM

(for the record, one of only 3 movies in which I can tolerate Nicholas Cage)

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
8:16 am

“I have purchased both obama books but this conversion might take awhile as I keep falling asleep in the second paragraph”

I’m sure – multi-syllabic words can be quite taxing for those who can barely focus

Jack

October 21st, 2011
8:17 am

If we’re lucky, the man says. Right. We’ll be lucky if the Islamic radicals don’t take over Libya and start using the WMDs the crazy man had hidden along with his 40 virgins. We’ll be lucky if Obama has the spine to deal with another Iran. And we’ll be lucky if the Occupiers of Everything don’t give Obama credit for Gadhafi’s downfall and start demanding new tents and more wireless capabilities.

Joe The Plumber too.

October 21st, 2011
8:19 am

usinuk, very true, but one can try to meditate to find the path that the Lord obama would have us take.

Granny Godzilla

October 21st, 2011
8:19 am

Peter

October 21st, 2011
8:19 am

Well if McCain was in office we would have been full bore in the middle. He publicly stated we should be there…… I guess that is the GOP mantra.

There is NOT a single Republican on this board who can answer this question…… yet when the Bill for the war was added to the “Real America Deficit” after Bush left office…….all Republican’s claim Obama has run up the deficit.

The question is…….

How will America pay for the Iraq War ?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 21st, 2011
8:19 am

Great… Its the rapture and all my clean underwear is in the laundry! My mother is going to so peeved at me.

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
8:21 am

“very true, but one can try to meditate to find the path that the Lord obama would have us take”

and, for you, the focus of that meditation is found at the bottom of a jar of everclear.

sad, that.

Granny Godzilla

October 21st, 2011
8:22 am

Keep

Yes, going commando to the rapture would be a fashon faux pas.

thewindwhistler

October 21st, 2011
8:22 am

I have to ask the question, if after the bombing of Pan Am flight in 1988 and it was ascertained it was Qaddafi would that have been the time for a massive retaliation? Certainly any victory over evil is desiarable, one soon after the fact would have saved billions of dollars and many lives. I simply find todays political intrigue and clandestine operations time consuming where upfront aggression against our enemies is less time consuming and costly.

Pearl Harbor, the rallying cry for WW2 galvanized supoort militarily. Today, the economy is being really hit hard with all the expense of the military operations. Not to mention the continual unease of terrorism. I might add, the candidates for President seem to do only lip service as to where they would stand as commander in chief.

Peter

October 21st, 2011
8:22 am

Hey jt…. Meddling in our countries business, and going to war is for one reason only……

The protection of Corporate America’s assets…… Funny the GOP wants to cut taxes for Corporate America, then have the typical American tax payer pay for the Corporate protection, via taxes, and a DEFICIT they have created.

Joe The Plumber too.

October 21st, 2011
8:23 am

apostle keep, you have been a good and faithful servant to Lord obama, he will provide you with clean underwear or at the very least give you his cleanest pair.

Stevie Ray

October 21st, 2011
8:25 am

JOE PLUMMER DUDE: Your prayer to the chosen one is big fun…you should memorize this in some fashion. GRANNY, do you have any opinions that are contrary to those of complete liberal left persuasion. No offense but you seem to be the first to cast the obligatory stone toward those who don’t share your ideals.

Good thing that virtually all Libyans are Sunni which will ideally minimize turf warfare…it seems though that it remains quite tribal.

Also, I’m not sure how exactly it is that Obama’s defense position is materially different from predecessors….he sure changed his tune re Guantanamo and troop drawdown relative to campaign promises of 2008.

Does anyone remember any sitting president who spent more time campaigning from office…at least he could be subtle…Geez

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
8:26 am

another good Tweet (although not as good as the Tweet of the Day: “Both MC Hammer & Gaddafi trending. Stop. Muammar Time.”

the first runner up is:

People are tweeting #rapture jokes like there’s no tomorrow

Jm

October 21st, 2011
8:27 am

Weird. What was that momentary 8:23 blog post from jay that then disapparated.

Jay

October 21st, 2011
8:28 am

Also, I’m not sure how exactly it is that Obama’s defense position is materially different from predecessors….he sure changed his tune re Guantanamo and troop drawdown relative to campaign promises of 2008.

Actually, Stevie Ray, he didn’t. His position on Guantanamo remains the same; Congress simply refuses to let him carry it out. His position on Afghanistan remains the same, and he has proceeded there exactly as he said he would in the campaign. And by the end of this year — barely two months from now — all of our troops will be withdrawn from Iraq, just as he said.

Jay

October 21st, 2011
8:28 am

Premature blogging on my part, jm.

AmVet - A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

October 21st, 2011
8:29 am

If only today was the day that some of these Cretins for Christ were called up.

The world would get a whole lot better, real quick…

Normal

October 21st, 2011
8:29 am

“People are tweeting #rapture jokes like there’s no tomorrow”

“That’s a pun, son, a pun. I swear that boy’s dumber that a sackful of hammers.” Foghorn Leghorn… :)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 21st, 2011
8:30 am

Granny, I am known for Faux Paws! :D

USinUK :lol: :lol:

Plumber, you do know that Hope and Change means more than a new pair of underwear. But I am sure the Cain Man has got a top secretrey plan to make it all better, he’s just not going to tell you unless you elect him first.

carlosgvv

October 21st, 2011
8:31 am

Enter your comments here

Jm

October 21st, 2011
8:32 am

Jay 8:28 ah. I thought it was a flaw in the matrix….

Well, it certainly is too bad bush sr didn’t try some such approach during the Iraqi uprising now decades ago

carlosgvv

October 21st, 2011
8:34 am

At this time only one thing is absolutely certain. No matter what happens in Libya, good, bad or in-between, as we get nearer to the 2012 election Republicans will paint events there in the worst possible light and blame Obama for lack of leadership.

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
8:35 am

“Jay 8:28 ah. I thought it was a flaw in the matrix….”

is this one of those days where you wish you had taken the blue pill? ;-)

Joe The Plumber too.

October 21st, 2011
8:35 am

apostle keep, I’ve come to realize that brother cain has no chance as he would be up against the Lord obama, and we all know that Lord obama will triumph over all evil in the end days.

Jm

October 21st, 2011
8:36 am

Off topic

Kudos to Obama’s secretary of the interior. He’s working in putting together a voluntary and compensated land protection plan for the upstream of Lake Okechobee area. That’s a bug deal for clean water for the lake and the Everglades.

And it helps protect land for future generations to appreciate and use.

(of note for those not aware, Salazar is a Republican)

Jm

October 21st, 2011
8:37 am

Take that back. Salazar, bit a republican. I was thinking of Ray Lahood. Whoops.

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
8:38 am

jm – “That’s a bug deal for clean water for the lake and the Everglades.”

I believe that’s called a Freudian slip

:-)

Jm

October 21st, 2011
8:38 am

Bit = not. Argh

TaxPayer

October 21st, 2011
8:38 am

But I am sure the Cain Man has got a top secretrey plan to make it all better, he’s just not going to tell you unless you elect him first.

Just a McCain Lite. Elect me and I’ll chase bin Laden to the gates of haides. Elect me and I’ll turn my top notch financial wizard and personal confidante, Phil Gramm loose on you… but only if you elect me. Otherwise, I’m not helping any of you.

Stevie Ray

October 21st, 2011
8:38 am

Peter,

Pretty lame post in my book. Go back in history and see sitting presidents at helm when Korea and Vietnam commenced.

The republicans actually critiqued Truman as starting an completely unnecessary war. I think it concluded under Eisenhowers watch but not certain. The big buildup in Vietnam commenced under one of the most over-rated presidencies, namely JFK…trended up with LBJ, and ironically ended with Tricky Dick. Now you can argue that all these wars commenced because of Defense contractors lobbying. Point is that anything that happens under a presidents watch he owns, rightly or wrongly and no party has a past not jaded with warmongering in situations of no direct threat to us..

Granny Godzilla

October 21st, 2011
8:39 am

Stevie Ray

Some to be sure.

I am a liberal as was my mom, grandmother, great grandmother and great great grandmother.

Since before the American Revolution there has been a Godzilla fighting for the rights of all Americans. We are proud of our history.

Does anyone remember a sitting President who didn’t campaign?

Hell Former Presdent Bush and the RNC for a while in 2002 and 2003 outsourced their call center to HCL TEchnologies in India.

I’d love for you to tell us just how you think Obama has changed his tune? I think rather you are tone deaf.

Talking Head

October 21st, 2011
8:41 am

“Years from now, political scientists and geopolitical strategists will probably be studying the outcome in Libya and comparing it to the outcome in Iraq. In one nation, change was forced upon it by outsiders who invested hundreds of billions of dollars in an effort at nation-building. In another, the bulk of the fighting and sacrifice came from the citizens themselves, with essential but limited support from abroad.”

Yes, in one nation we observed an uprising from it’s citizens as a result from a sweeping “Arab Spring” in which multiple nations encountered similar scenarios.

In the other nation we observed another dictator who also had dissent among the population, but this dictator was able to instill enough fear through murder that an uprising was never present, and his “elections” always gave him 95% of the vote.

IMO, we should have stayed out of both. I’m glad both dictators are no longer in power (or living), but the two situations although similar in some aspects had competely different backgrounds and events leading up to removal of powers.

Finn McCool

October 21st, 2011
8:41 am

After trying to mollify its critics in recent years by offering better health care benefits to its employees, Wal-Mart is substantially rolling back coverage for part-time workers and significantly raising premiums for many full-time staff.
Citing rising costs, Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private employer, told its employees this week that all future part-time employees who work less than 24 hours a week on average will no longer qualify for any of the company’s health insurance plans.

nytimes.com

Jm

October 21st, 2011
8:41 am

Usinuk.

Typos galore

Butch Cassidy

October 21st, 2011
8:43 am

But wait, if we let them decide their own fate, how is Haliburton and Blackwater going to get a slice of the pie?

Matti's Rapture Time?

October 21st, 2011
8:43 am

What time is the party?

Joe The Plumber too.

October 21st, 2011
8:44 am

all you obamanites keep the faith and don’t let those evil republicans get away with any logical statements today, blind them with stupidity and pointless praise for father obama. I am off to do my job as a loyal convert to obamaism and fill the offering plate for the master to distribute to the lazy and less than worthy. your brother in obama, joe

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
8:45 am

Jm – 8:41 – I’d offer you a cup of coffee, but it’d be cold by the time you got it

TaxPayer

October 21st, 2011
8:49 am

don’t let those evil republicans get away with any logical statements today

A Republican making a logical statement! Now wouldn’t that be a refreshing way to bring on Armaggedon.

Jm

October 21st, 2011
8:51 am

Obama’s bipolar economic and Financial industry relationships covered in headline at politico.com

Stevie Ray

October 21st, 2011
8:53 am

JAY: I’m comfortable enuf with my manhood to own up to BO’s troop drawdown success. I’m not 100% convinced that he was blocked from closing Guantanamo as much as the plan was not thought out relative to alternative locale.

GRANNY: Always a pleasure to hear from you. Traditions like yours are very admirable to the extent they consider both sides and draw conclusions without information bias. Does that mean your ancestors supported Korea and Vietnam? I simply refuse to see how BO is any different from predecessors in war mongering and pandering to special interests.

Jm

October 21st, 2011
8:54 am

Usinuk. Gracias. But I’m nit a coffee drinker.

I live on red bull and 5 HR energy drinks.
(kidding)

Stevie Ray

October 21st, 2011
8:55 am

FINN: How often does NYT offer unbiased opinion? Walmart must remain competitive in an environment where pricing pressure is more intense than ever. What is your solution that would be acceptable to Walmart shareholders?

Peter

October 21st, 2011
8:56 am

Stevie Ray You may have a point.. Please answer the question then.

How do we pay for the Iraq War ?

Aquagirl

October 21st, 2011
8:57 am

I am off to do my job as a loyal convert to obamaism and fill the offering plate for the master to distribute

Thank goodness. Your frantic attempts to avoid discussing our military success was painful to watch.

Make sure you get some ice on those legs, all that tap dancing takes its toll.

Jm

October 21st, 2011
8:58 am

Jobs hit the nail on the head

1 term president
Let principals hire and fire teachers at will, keep schools open until 6pm and for 11 months of the year

Bingo

Granny Godzilla

October 21st, 2011
9:01 am

Steveie ray

Yes to Korea, No to Vietmam.

The clue to you is the phrase “I refuse to see”

Mick

October 21st, 2011
9:03 am

joe the

Why would you chose to emulate joe the plumber, who was not a licensed plumber nor named joe, more of a fraud. Are you an apostle of joe the not licensed plumber and not named joe house of smell? You can do better than that…

Stevie Ray

October 21st, 2011
9:04 am

PETER,

Thanks for the response. Iraq was a huge mistake of this I’ve been quite certain after 140,000 innocent lives lost there and Afghanistan..both of which should be avoided. Only way I think we get out from under deficit created is find a balance between ongoing foreign democracy evangelism and feigned arguments that our “interests” are anything other than oil. Heck, we send Israel $3 million per day and what do we get in return? A good feeling? Just one example glaring as it may be.

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
9:04 am

“I live on red bull and 5 HR energy drinks.
(kidding)”

glad you’re kidding – we may not agree on much, but I would be worried about your heart, kidneys and pretty much every other major organ if you did that –

eeeeyikes!

(although that does remind me of this: http://steelwhitetable.org/media/images/chocolate-frosted-sugar-bombs-calvin-hobbes-2.gif)

Peadawg

October 21st, 2011
9:04 am

Let the Libyan people decide their own way and let the U.S. mind it’s own business. We have waaay to many problems here to worry about other countries.

MountainMan

October 21st, 2011
9:05 am

I thought it was Hillary who kicked Obama’s rear end into Libya. No wonder they cheer her when she comes to the country. Obama is the reluctant warrior.

Mick

October 21st, 2011
9:05 am

jm

Jobs knew a lot about gadgets but he really was kind of odd and certainly knows zip about education. Everything looks easy until you try it. Ever lay brick or put on a roof?

kayaker 71

October 21st, 2011
9:09 am

Comparing Iraq and Libya is absurd. The Libyan revolution was spearheaded by one hell of a lot of spirited and dedicated Libyans, hell bent on overthrowing a tyrant. Saddam happened to have about 125,00 Republican Guard troops with a compliant population who would never have dreamed of overthrowing their leader. Bozo is certainly not responsible for getting Ghadfi any more than Bush was responsible for getting Saddam. The UK and France intervened because their oil supply was being threatened and asked for America’s help in securing it. The two scenarios are light years apart and show no more insight for Bozo’s competence in the matter than Bush’s Mission Accomplished landing on some aircraft carrier. Come on libs….. stop tooting Bozo’s horn. It only makes you look more stupid than you usually do.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 21st, 2011
9:12 am

Saddam happened to have about 125,00 Republican Guard troops with a compliant population who would never have dreamed of overthrowing their leader

Ahhh farm fresh bull crap in the morning. Smell the stank. That’s the smell of nonsense and lies rising from the post.

jconservative

October 21st, 2011
9:21 am

‘…the transition from an Arab world dominated by cruelly repressive regimes to an Arab world with a more normalized relationship between government and the governed is not going to occur quickly, and it’s not going to occur without setbacks.”

Into the mix we must add the role religion plays in the governments of the Islamic world.

What if the United States had a society where, besides the give and take of political parties, there was one religious leader who could throw 70% of the population into the street with one word? What would our government then look like?

Bosch

October 21st, 2011
9:21 am

“Comparing Iraq and Libya is absurd.”

So kayaker, what was with all the “Obama is a warmonger and has us in four wars” crap we all saw?

Jim163

October 21st, 2011
9:23 am

Peter, how do we pay for entitlements…It sure as heck can’t be done by taxing the one percent.

Mick

October 21st, 2011
9:26 am

yaker

What it shows is that we have a competent leader. You despise and mock him daily but his deft handling of this situation is a credit to his foreign policy. Instead of charging in, shooting the place up and asking questions later. He also did not go it alone, let nato have some skin in the game. Any time we relinquish the world cop banner, it’s a good thing…

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
9:26 am

silly Bosch … don’t you know??? if he SUCCEEDS, then it wasn’t really a war – it was just a skirmish and he had nothing to do with it …

if he FAILS, then it was a WAR, a BLOODY ONE, at that, and he couldn’t lead a knees-up in a brewery

them’s the rules.

USinUK

October 21st, 2011
9:26 am

Keep up – if only we could harness its power, we could solve our energy problems!

Jm

October 21st, 2011
9:42 am

Mick 9:05 I’ve done bricks…. :)

TaxPayer

October 21st, 2011
10:19 am

stop tooting Bozo’s horn. It only makes you look more stupid than you usually do.

Well, we do know who keeps obsessing over a clown, k.

GM

October 21st, 2011
10:21 am

Had Bush used Obama play book we would of had less American soldiers dead in Irag, but he had to hot dog it, President Obama showed why he is a leader around the world, he made one press conference and went back to work.
History will show this President was the greatest to ever grace this country in keeping America safe, so go ahead all you bigots and haters of Obama every time you wake up this great commander and chief made it another safer day for you.
Can you only say any of those clowns in the rep debates can safe guard this country? Thank you President Obama ”””

Mudfoot

October 21st, 2011
10:32 am

@Joe “blind them with stupidity”

No worries Joe, Fox News has proven to be the best source for being blinded by stupidity and your faithful base follows along with more fervor than your feigned :new-found religion” posts illustrate. Fox is on 24/7 spewing the stupidity kool-aid and has been for years. The results are quite evident, for example the GOP’s 90 degree turn to the right in the past 10 years and the subsequent drop in intelligence.

Noone else can compete with that

liberalefty

October 21st, 2011
1:06 pm

thank god he didnt send in troops like dumb dubya would have. another foreign policy victory for BARACK OBAMA HUSSEIN

independent thinker

October 21st, 2011
3:46 pm

kayaker 71 : Their is a direct comparison to Iraq. The Iraqis did rise up after the Gulf War with US and allied troops on the Road to Baghdad in hot pursuit of the Revolutionary Guard. Unlike Obama, Daddy Bush, Cheney and others could not take the heat of criticism on the US helping overthrow an Arab leader. It would have offended Muslim sensibilities. The pictures of the horrific incineration of Iraqi soldiers on the road to Damascus upset the civilized world so the idiots stopped, and signed an armstice
with Sadaam which he immediatly violated by crushing all rebel forces. Only when his atrocities became more horrific than our combat pictures did the US decide to provide limited air cover. Result: twenty years of Us involvement. Compare that to Obama disregarding criticism of both parties and plowing ahead to a
decisive end in Libya.
Of course Gaddafi did not attempt to kill the president’s daddy- a different set of rules apply then.