Gadhafi dead or captured? In any case, his brutal regime is over

No mo' Moammar?

No-a-more Gadhafi

UPDATE 11:15: Mulitiple news outlets and the Libyan government are reporting that Gadhafi has been killed. The Associated Press has moved grisly photos of a dead body that appears to be that of the Libyan leader.

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Just days after a celebratory visit to Libya by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, former dictator Moammar Gadhafi has reportedly been captured or even killed. The news, if confirmed, would constitute a pretty big win for the NATO policy of supporting anti-Gadhafi rebels without putting Western troops on the ground. Even if Gadhafi remains at large for the time being, his regime is finished.

True, nobody knows with any certainty where Libya will go from here. A democracy of sorts could emerge; a new dictator could seize power; Islamic radicals could take control. The transition from an Arab world dominated by cruelly repressive regimes to an Arab world with a more normalized relationship between the government and the governed is not going to occur quickly, and it’s not going to occur without setbacks.

A Libyan rebel waves an American flag during Friday prayers in the city square of Benghazi, Libya's second-largest city and the place where the anti-Gadhafi insurrection began.

A Libyan rebel waves an American flag during Friday prayers in the city square of Benghazi, Libya's second-largest city and the place where the anti-Gadhafi insurrection began.

But preserving the status quo simply isn’t an option. In this case, a low-risk policy of limited intervention has helped to remove a brutal dictator with a long history of sponsoring international terrorism. It has given the people of Libya the opportunity to create something much better for themselves, and providing that opportunity is about all the non-Arab world can hope to accomplish in that region. We can help, but THEY have to actually do it.

– Jay Bookman

646 comments Add your comment

Granny Godzilla

October 20th, 2011
8:46 am

Congratulations to the Libyan people!

and we helped!

Doggone/GA

October 20th, 2011
8:48 am

Yes, congratulations indeed! And I have the same hope for them as for the Egyptians: I hope they can get what they want.

Don't Forget

October 20th, 2011
8:49 am

Chalk up another foreigh policy success.

MountainMan

October 20th, 2011
8:49 am

Just keep pumping that oil.

willydoit?

October 20th, 2011
8:49 am

No matter what style of government the people of Libya chooses…what’cha wanna bet they will still hate America?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 20th, 2011
8:50 am

Jay, you are on point again! We’ll hear the whines about uncertainty (or for some Carnak posers, “certainty” in their minds as to the future ) but simple fact is that Gadhafi needed a successor and now the people of Libya at least have a chance to try to control their own destiny.

Doggone/GA

October 20th, 2011
8:52 am

“No matter what style of government the people of Libya chooses…what’cha wanna bet they will still hate America?”

What evidence do you have that they DO hate America?

stands for decibels

October 20th, 2011
8:54 am

what’cha wanna bet they will still hate America?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzn3_NEek4M

DBCOOPER

October 20th, 2011
8:55 am

The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

As Commander-in-Chief, the President does have a duty to protect and defend the United States. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.

OBAMA

cosby smith

October 20th, 2011
8:56 am

Hmm…next you will have occuppy wallstreet taking over congress…but one thing certain, dictatorships come to an end and that makes watching 2012 worth it..will our dictatorship end in the USA?

Adam

October 20th, 2011
8:57 am

Oh, hey, look! An article on Gadhafi that DOESN’T claim credit for it for either “the libs” or Obama!

Still, it WAS Obama’s plan to let NATO and the UN in on the situation, with no American boots on the ground, that led to a MUCH better result than, say, Iraq or Afghanistan.

Eli Jones

October 20th, 2011
8:57 am

This is such wonderful news. We traded one blood thirsty tyrant for the many blood thirsty tyrants of Libya’s Al-Qaeda. With all the help Obama is giving the Islamists in the middle east, you can expect the Muslims to get their long awaited Caliphate to rule over all of Arabia before long. Guess what,we infidels will still be hated.

SpaceyG on Twitter

October 20th, 2011
8:57 am

It’s a genuine, global win/win. Meaning… Republicans running for POTUS must immediately denounce it.

Brad Steel

October 20th, 2011
8:57 am

looks like he died several days before that picture was taken.

Doggone/GA

October 20th, 2011
8:57 am

“It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action”

War Powers Act

willydoit?

October 20th, 2011
8:57 am

Doggone,
They only want our money…not our friendship!

Go walk the streets of any Middle Eastern country (other than Isreal) and report back to us…If you don’t lose your head first!

kayaker 71

October 20th, 2011
8:58 am

Just some more ripe fodder for the Muslim brotherhood. We’ll see whether or not this is such a stunning foreign policy victory as time goes on. Egypt is still in flux, controlled by a military government and who know where that will go. I don’t think it’s time to toot Bozo’s horn quite yet.

Marie

October 20th, 2011
8:58 am

~~ A democracy of sorts could emerge; a new dictator could seize power; Islamic radicals could take control. ~~

Or as Reuters has been reporting for the last month those in power could continue to allow the harrassment, imprisonment, rape, etc., of black Africans who were living in Libya to continue unabated. According to these thugs all black Africans who were in Libya were fighting with Gadhafi; no burden of proof and no trial. Just rob them, round them up, rape their women, and throw them in prison. Now that’s a democracy you can believe in; unless of course you’re a black African.

Paul

October 20th, 2011
8:59 am

Just read an article in Christian Science Monitor regarding a main rebel leader. Said US assisting helping to overcome distrust after Iraq.

Re. Gadhafi, lots of comments here will be ‘good he is dead but Obama should have blah blah blah.’

Typical.

Adam

October 20th, 2011
9:01 am

DBCOOPER: The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

Sure he does. Congress gave it to him. And even if they didn’t explicitly, I don’t really hear the Republicans in Congress whining about this one. Instead, they are focused on abortion bills. You know, JOBS JOBS JOBS! (Or is it 9 9 9?)

Call your representatives and let them know you want impeachment IMMEDIATELY for the President violating rules that the Congress has so far just overlooked for no good reason.

Doggone/GA

October 20th, 2011
9:03 am

“They only want our money…not our friendship!”

So, you’ve “walked the streets” of Libya and that proof? Did you get many customers in your streetwalking?

brilliant conservative policies... phu-leez

October 20th, 2011
9:05 am

Another dictator taken down by Obama’s influence.

And this didn’t take 10 years, a trillion dollars, and 3400 American lives.

Good going Dick Cheney.

Paul

October 20th, 2011
9:05 am

Wish I wasn’t on a Droid.

So many truly dumb comments to challenge. ‘Gadhafi aiding Islamists.’ geesh.

Mick

October 20th, 2011
9:06 am

yaker

The world cop business is getting tiresome, let china step up to the big leagues and get involved. We need to repair the home team here. I don’t really care what egyptians, libyans, iraqi’s and afghani’s do in their country. Let them find their own destiny while we repair ourselves, that is if the repub naysayers would ever do something by the way of a jobs bill to get it kickstarted…

Don't Forget

October 20th, 2011
9:06 am

Iraq – one trillion dollars and thousands of US military lives lost to remove a dictator

Libya – one billion dollars and no US military lives lost to remove a dictator.

Change you can believe in.

carlosgvv

October 20th, 2011
9:07 am

There was a time, many years ago, when Cuba had a brutal dictator every bit as bad as Gadhafi. Then, he was overthown in a revolution and Fidel Castro took over. Let’s hope history does not repeat itself in Libya.

Paul

October 20th, 2011
9:07 am

1811/0311

October 20th, 2011
9:09 am

Granny:

What’s this “we” stuff?

I don’t recall you being over their with our Special Forces or were you in “deep cover” ??

Adam

October 20th, 2011
9:10 am

A plan that leads to less money, no American lives lost, and the overthrow of a brutal dictator = LEADERSHIP.

Republicans: Does it hurt your fee-fees that you’re not the party of national security anymore?

ty webb

October 20th, 2011
9:10 am

hang him (if he’s not already dead) along with the lockerbie bomber.

Bosch

October 20th, 2011
9:10 am

Yeah, Dick Cheney needs to pay attention to Obama’s way of doing things —

“And this didn’t take 10 years, a trillion dollars, and 3400 American lives.”

It appears the one who is the “worstest mostest inexperienced President evah!” sure knows how to handle foreign military matters in a much more beneficial way.

Khaddfy didn't duck

October 20th, 2011
9:10 am

Leading from behind bags another turkey.

Granny Godzilla

October 20th, 2011
9:12 am

scout

bless your heart

Talking Head

October 20th, 2011
9:13 am

As I predicted, libs taking credit and giving credit to Obama for something he didn’t even do.

Additionally, I find it ironic that this same crowd who denouces any form of military action does not protest Obama and his ‘neocon’ actions by trying to police the world.

Adam

October 20th, 2011
9:13 am

Bosch: It appears the one who is the “worstest mostest inexperienced President evah!” sure knows how to handle foreign military matters in a much more beneficial way.

THIS^^

Adam

October 20th, 2011
9:14 am

Talking Head: As I predicted, libs taking credit and giving credit to Obama for something he didn’t even do.

Yeah, and Bush never claimed credit for anything that he didn’t personally do himself, right?

carlosgvv

October 20th, 2011
9:15 am

Marie – 8:58

Of course, you have not heard any protests at all from our “African-American” leaders about this brutal treatment. The reason for this is pretty obvious. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other “leaders” cannot get any victimhood mileage out of blacks being brutalized in Libya. So, their concerns end at the American border.

Normal

October 20th, 2011
9:15 am

Howdy gang!

I guess I’ll wait until they “put eyes on the body”, but if it is true, then it’s another win for President Obama’s foreign policy!

Well done, Lybia.

Adam

October 20th, 2011
9:15 am

Talking Head: I find it ironic that this same crowd who denouces any form of military action does not protest Obama and his ‘neocon’ actions by trying to police the world.

I do protest. But I am DEFINITELY taking pleasure in the fact that a DEMOCRAT president is better at foreign military action than your sainted predecessor. Results are results.

Bosch

October 20th, 2011
9:15 am

“his same crowd who denouces any form of military action ”

WRONG!!

We denounce stupid ones where the incompetence of the CIC costs thousands of lives.

carlosgvv

October 20th, 2011
9:16 am

1811/0311

Why does everyone call you “scout”?

Claire

October 20th, 2011
9:16 am

Come on cons, celebrate! You can do it!

Jay

October 20th, 2011
9:16 am

As I predicted, libs taking credit and giving credit to Obama for something he didn’t even do.

Let’s look forward a year and pretend that an Islamic fundamentalist regime has taken control of Libya. Would Talking Head then be blaming Obama, even though today he offers Obama no credit?

Intown

October 20th, 2011
9:17 am

@ Talking Head: Damned if you do damned if you don’t, eh?

I think it is safe to give credit to Obama here for setting the policy and letting it play out to success.

stands for decibels

October 20th, 2011
9:17 am

His last words? My money is on “Berlusconi still survives.”

Granny Godzilla

October 20th, 2011
9:17 am

Talking Head: I find it ironic that this same crowd who denouces any form of military action does not protest Obama and his ‘neocon’ actions by trying to police the world.

and I find it ironic that conservatives has become so squishy on national security

squishy squishy squishy

willydoit?

October 20th, 2011
9:17 am

Doggone…So I take it you’re not going over there to show us how much the people of Libya love America??

Adam

October 20th, 2011
9:18 am

Jay: Would Talking Head then be blaming Obama, even though today he offers Obama no credit?

Yes.

stands for decibels

October 20th, 2011
9:19 am

Why does everyone call you “scout”?

Because a) that’s what he used to call himself, and b) we got tired of making jokes about how he changed it to “1811″ because that’s when he thinks America peaked.

1811/0311

October 20th, 2011
9:19 am

carlosgv:

From a previous handle “Scout” for “Scout-Sniper” (USMC) in Viet Nam. Sometimes you will also see “Corporal”. The libs. love me.

Granny:

…………………………….. :o

Doggone/GA

October 20th, 2011
9:20 am

“Doggone…So I take it you’re not going over there to show us how much the people of Libya love America??”

Should we take it that the streewalking business isn’t so good in Libya?

mm

October 20th, 2011
9:20 am

See righties, that’s how it’s done. We didn’t have to spend 10 years and a couple trillion dollars like we did in Iraq.

Ya’ll destroyed Iraq and broke the US. GREAT JOB!

1811/0311

October 20th, 2011
9:21 am

decibles:

1811 (federal criminal iinvestigtor)
0311 (USMC infantry)

Sorry pal.

Talking Head

October 20th, 2011
9:21 am

Okay, Jay or whoever else wants to answer this. How/What/When/Where did Obama do that directly lead to the death of Ghaddafi?

I help you out, the answer is nothing yet you praise him for it simply because he is currently the President. Don’t get me wrong, I happy that SOB is dead but I’m just wondering how this is an American influenced victory when this whole shabang started organically in Libya from their own citizens.

Normal

October 20th, 2011
9:21 am

Carlos, Marie,

There are alot of dark age prejudices still in that region…just like we had. Takes time, so give them a chance.

Granny Godzilla

October 20th, 2011
9:22 am

Scout

…………………….:o

Best post you ever made!

Huzzah!

Independent Voter

October 20th, 2011
9:22 am

Thanks President Obama for letting nato take down Gadhafi and you are doing a good job.

American is safe under President Obama foreign policy

TaxPayer

October 20th, 2011
9:22 am

Well what do ya know! In and out in less than ten years and quite a bit less than a trillion dollars and no soldiers lost either. Bush and his neocon clan should take lessons from Obama.

Bosch

October 20th, 2011
9:23 am

“How/What/When/Where did Obama do that directly lead to the death of Ghaddafi”

Made the decision to assist NATO with our military resources.

Geez. Have you not had enough coffee this morning or what?

Adam

October 20th, 2011
9:23 am

Talking Head: I help you out, the answer is nothing yet you praise him for it simply because he is currently the President.

This could EASILY be applied to MANY things that happened in the years 2001-2008.

So why don’t you just admit that when the shoe was on the other foot, you did the same damn thing?

stands for decibels

October 20th, 2011
9:23 am

Scout:

joke
Noun:
A thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, esp. a story with a funny punchline.

Verb:
Make jokes; talk humorously or flippantly.

Synonyms:
noun. jest – fun – jape – gag – trick – pleasantry – lark
verb. jest – jape – banter – lark – kid – josh

1811/0311

October 20th, 2011
9:24 am

Granny:

“Huzzah!”

Best post YOU every made !

Bosch

October 20th, 2011
9:24 am

“1811 (federal criminal iinvestigtor)”

Scout is NO Jethro Leroy Gibbs, I tells ya!

jt

October 20th, 2011
9:25 am

Next stop Uganda.
.
Another country that China is peacefully trading infrastructure construction and consumer products for natural resources.
.
Kinda like America used to do….until small-minded people got their grubby hands on big-really neat explosive weapons.
.
Granted…..It is harder to trade openly and honestly than just level everything and send the military in.
But there is always blowback.
.
Ron Paul 2012..Cuz we will eventually run out of countries to invade.

Granny Godzilla

October 20th, 2011
9:25 am

Scout

Nope…the best was when I lectured a resident on not wanting to learn more than he already knew.

JKL2

October 20th, 2011
9:26 am

His brutal regime is over. Now it’s time for all those peace loving muslims to take over. Maybe they’ll call the new party “Occupy Libya”..

Adam

October 20th, 2011
9:27 am

Talking Head: I’m just wondering how this is an American influenced victory when this whole shabang started organically in Libya from their own citizens.

A serious answer follows:

The U.S. military action known as Operation Odyssey Dawn involved missile strikes on Libyan military targets. The U.S. action then was followed by a plan to set up a no fly zone so that the Libyan rebels would not get trounced by Libyan military air forces, and this plan was approved by the U.N. U.S. involvement was over 70% for the first few weeks, and probably didn’t drop much after that (even though I don’t have the exact numbers). Still, those facts show the U.S. started it, even if they did not personally take the entire operation over and exclude other nations. As we can see now, doing so would have been a mistake.

Sad

October 20th, 2011
9:27 am

Conservatives hate Obama so much they can’t celebrate a victory for the good guys whether it’s OBL or Khaddafy. Sad.

Bosch

October 20th, 2011
9:28 am

Hillary killed him — with her bare hands.

Butch Cassidy

October 20th, 2011
9:28 am

I think the GOP supporters are mad because Obama is denying the War Machine the ability to reap huge profits from extended conflicts. Damn, if they don’t get Obama out in 2012, Halliburton is really going to take it in the shorts!

Adam

October 20th, 2011
9:28 am

Bosch: Hillary killed him — with her bare hands.

Well, if you want a job done right…. :D

Jay

October 20th, 2011
9:28 am

If the answer is nothing, Talking, why is that Libyan rebel waving an American flag in the photo above?

Why was SoS Clinton greeted so warmly in Tripoli?

They know what you apparently refuse to acknowledge, Talking: Without US and NATO air support, this rebellion probably would have been crushed months ago by the Libyan army under Gadhafi’s control, with tens of thousands of civilians probably killed.

Granny Godzilla

October 20th, 2011
9:28 am

Bosch

SSSSHHHHH!

That’s an O of O secret!

Bosch

October 20th, 2011
9:31 am

Sorry Mrs. G., my excitment gets the better of me sometimes.

This has got to be a real morale boost for our military men and women. Eight years of incompetent leadership, and we finally get a CIC who cleans up the formers messes and shows the world how it should really be done.

Good job military folks!!!

Kamchak

October 20th, 2011
9:33 am

Hillary killed him — with her bare hands.

When you care enough to send the very best.

stands for decibels

October 20th, 2011
9:34 am

Well, if you want a job done right…

Clinton Body Count! woo hoo!

Finn McCool

October 20th, 2011
9:37 am

Wow, Obama played his hand in that whole Libyan affair masterfully – we helped after being asked to help but only so far as to protect the citizens. If we had gone all in we would be on the hook for reconstruction bills but, instead, the Europeans took the lead on that and will have to take the lead on the reconstruction.

What a difference two administrations make – one intervenes and we are stuck there for 10 years, on the hook for billions in repairs and billions paid to military contractors, the other does just enough to pave the way and we are barely involved 3 months later. I guess there are other ways to get what you want besides bringing the house down.

Granny Godzilla

October 20th, 2011
9:41 am

Wouldn’t ya’ love to be a fly on the wall in the strategy sessions each of the GOP candidates is having right now? Working furiously to craft a statement that can damn both Gaddaffi and Obama?

Oh the wordsmithing!

Wonder what they might say?

Any guesses?

Joe Mama

October 20th, 2011
9:41 am

DBCOOPER — “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”

Actually, the President doesn’t have the power under the Constitution to authorize ANY military attack in any situation, unless he complies with the War Powers Resolution.

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 20th, 2011
9:42 am

Not a word on reports of atrocities by NTC forces and the near-destruction of the city of Sirte, Jay?

Martin the Calvinist

October 20th, 2011
9:43 am

We shouldn’t have interfered with Eygpt, Libya, or Iraq. I don’t see how any of them were a national security threat, BTW, neither was Bosnia!

Butch Cassidy

October 20th, 2011
9:44 am

I think we just need to follow the GOP lead. I’m sure we can achieve world peace much more quickly if we just repeal Obamacare and lower taxes. On a side note, does Herman Cains 999 plan come with unlimited toppings?

Janney

October 20th, 2011
9:44 am

Off topic, but just tried to get to Jay’s column and did not see it listed in the AJC opinion pages. Panic set in! Went back to the page, and there was his picture with accompanying columns, what a relief!

Kamchak

October 20th, 2011
9:44 am

Wonder what they might say?

Any guesses?

I’m sure the phrase “Marxist Kenyan socialist” will figure prominently in there somehow.

Jay

October 20th, 2011
9:46 am

War ain’t pretty Trotsky. I don’t mean to be cavalier about it, but it’s the truth, and I don’t think we have the capability of preventing such things, do you?

Waheema

October 20th, 2011
9:47 am

The death of the dictator is a good thing.

jt

October 20th, 2011
9:47 am

Hey Mbabazi——–See Libya.
You will take our excess lawyers and bureaucrats……and you will LIKE it.
Or we’ll send Hillery “shankles” Clinton.

Kampala. Uganda’s new Prime Minister, Amama Mbabazi, highly regards China’s partnership with Uganda in economic development, noting that within the next five years, Uganda should go through an economic transformation.In an interview with Xinhua, Mbabazi, a former security minister turned premier and leader of government business in parliament, said China and Uganda enjoy excellent relations that will boost each other’s development.

“We have had very close collaboration and partnership with China, so many of the achievements we have registered in building up our capacity to stabilize Uganda has been with help and support or partnership with our Chinese friends,” he said.

Granny Godzilla

October 20th, 2011
9:47 am

Kam I’m thinking more like…

Cain: Did they shoot him 9 9 9 times?

Bachmann: Where’s the check for the military help?

Stonethrower

October 20th, 2011
9:47 am

In other news……………..WASHINGTON — Despite frosty relations with the titans of Wall Street, President Obama has still managed to raise far more money this year from the financial and banking sector than Mitt Romney or any other Republican presidential candidate, according to new fundraising data.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/10/20/2069242/obama-flush-with-cash-from-finance.html#ixzz1bKUXezcL

Joe Mama

October 20th, 2011
9:49 am

T. Head — “I find it ironic that this same crowd who denouces any form of military action”

Several liberal posters on this board are gun owners and veterans. I myself am a firearm-owning disabled Army vet.

I know your soundbitey, bumper-stickery philosophy might draw rave reviews over on Free Republic, but here in the real world, your bulldada construction simply doesn’t hold water.

Better go check yourself, Champ. You smell of pewp and it makes me wonder how full of it you might happen to be.

JKL2

October 20th, 2011
9:49 am

granny- Wonder what they might say?

Not sure assassinational of foreign leaders is the precedent we want to be setting, but have at it.

Good job obama.

TaxPayer

October 20th, 2011
9:49 am

Things just aren’t going well for the Republicans with Obama continuing to rack up those success stories versus the Bush failures. About the only thing that could make it even worse for the Republicans now would be an announcement of a complete troop withdrawal from Iraq and maybe a drop in the unemployment rate.

Butch Cassidy

October 20th, 2011
9:50 am

Stonethrower – ” President Obama has still managed to raise far more money this year from the financial and banking sector than Mitt Romney or any other Republican presidential candidate, according to new fundraising data.”

WHAT! How could that be? Isn’t Obama a job destroying, wealth hating, market crushing Kenyan Socialist?

Martin the Calvinist

October 20th, 2011
9:50 am

Stonethrower, Democrats sure love that money from Wall Street, don’t they?

Butch Cassidy

October 20th, 2011
9:52 am

Martin – “Democrats sure love that money from Wall Street, don’t they?”

Just as much as the Republicans do,that’s why America is going down in flames.

Martin the Calvinist

October 20th, 2011
9:52 am

Butch, Democrats love their own wealth, it’s every one else wealth they don’t like and want to confiscate!

Butch Cassidy

October 20th, 2011
9:55 am

Martin – “Democrats love their own wealth, it’s every one else wealth they don’t like and want to confiscate!”

Kinda like Wal Mart not paying their employees enough to qualify for company benefits, so the employees have to turn to taxpayer funded state programs for medical care? In the meantime, the company reaps huge profits at the expense of the consumer on the taxpayers dime?

Peadawg

October 20th, 2011
9:55 am

Good for Libyan people. I still say we shouldn’t have stuck our nose in their business though.

Granny Godzilla

October 20th, 2011
9:56 am

Martin the Calvinist

October 20th, 2011
9:50 am
Stonethrower, Democrats sure love that money from Wall Street, don’t they?

I suggest this illustrates the masochistic tendencies of Wall streeters….
“Oh regulate me baby and regulate me hard and fast”

1811/0311

October 20th, 2011
9:56 am

“War ain’t pretty ………… ”

Some people learn that from books and movies.

Some people learn that from being there.