‘Occupy’ movement giving voice to legitimate fears

Instead of using police officers to oust protesters from Woodruff Park, Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed has wisely decided to wait and see, hoping that the passage of time and the threat of sub-freezing temperatures will clear the park for him.

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Maybe it will, but I’m doubtful. Critics of the Occupy movement claim that those involved are not representative of the American mainstream, and they’re right. People who camp for weeks on end as a form of political protest, and who risk or even force their own arrest by acts of civil disobedience, are by definition not mainstream. They are more extreme than the rest of us.

However, that doesn’t mean that they are divorced from mainstream thoughts or concerns. To the contrary, they’re a lot closer to tapping into what’s really happening in America than are the targets of their protests on Wall Street.

On a visit to the scene Tuesday afternoon, I saw a lot of signs quoting well-known outrageous radicals such as Sam Adams, Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt. One woman with an audience of one was reading aloud from a piece of subversive literature, something about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

Near the center of the encampment of some 70 tents, somebody had erected a section of unpainted wooden fence, with a sign asking “What’s your story?” The fence is full of authentic American stories scrawled on the wood with Magic Markers and Sharpies.

“I am 24 years old,” one person wrote. “I go to school and work full-time and get an average of four hours of sleep a night. I am hoping the degree I earn will help me pay off my $80,000 student loan. The outlook of this is dim. With every day that goes by more and more jobs in this country are lost. It seems most are going to other countries so corporations can make more money …. My mother’s house in Michigan was foreclosed on and she now lives with her mother in Tennessee. A 46-year old woman who has to live with her mom and has done nothing but work hard all her life.”

“All my life I’ve seen ‘immigrants’ being denied the right to receive scholarships to go to school and I’ve seen citizens being drowned in debt due to going to school,” another writes. “And once they finish, NO JOBS. So what’s the point anymore?”

“My son and granddaughter are unemployed,” someone else wrote, explaining that the bank stock that the family had owned was now worthless. “I am 70 and have no job or money. The banks *&#$ed everyone.”

As in other Occupy sites around the country, the vast majority of the participants are young people, and a recurring theme is anguish at the prospect of graduating from college with a heavy debt load and no jobs. The American Dream no longer seems realistic to many of them. In the Vietnam era, protests were dominated by young people who felt the threat of the draft most directly, and if that pattern is repeating itself, it’s for similar reasons. Among men ages 20-25, for example, the September unemployment rate was 15.8 percent, a number that badly underestimates the true scale of the problem, since many in that age group never had a chance to officially join the full-time workforce in the first place.

So yes, we can run off those protesters and take down that fence. But the problem is, it won’t make those stories go away. The people who are living those stories aren’t going away either. The sense of inequity in an economy in which millions are jobless and have lost their homes to foreclosure, while corporate profits are at record high, is not going to change unless the situation changes. Because for every story written on a wooden fence, there are several hundred thousand others in which the principal characters have so far suffered in silence.

The protesters are not the people we should turn to for answers or solutions, but that’s not their role. Their role is to give voice to a problem, and you have to believe that voice will get louder and louder.

– Jay Bookman

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Normal

October 19th, 2011
6:56 am

GOP: Hear no evil, see no evil, but say everybody but them is evil.

A heartfelt cheer to all of the “Occupiers”.

Bill Orvis White

October 19th, 2011
6:58 am

This is just a collection of angry yippies who are expecting big gov’t to give them a handout. Yes, we have all fallen on hard times – some more than others. I get it! But, breaking the law by sitting in a park blending in with the local vermin is not the answer. Having trouble with your medical bills? Where’s your family? Where the church? Why are you asking for Hussein Obama to find money for you to bail you out? You’re complaining that hard working folk on Wall Street did not deserve the bail out? Tough! They worked hard – you didn’t – and those hard-working men control our economy while you sit there in your camps contracting the economy. I work hard as a plumber – wading through sewage. What are you doing in a park? Doing drugs? Engaging in devious sexual acts? Yelling about how Bawney Frank isn’t giving you a house? GOOD NIGHT!
Amen,
Bill

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
7:01 am

Haven’t you heard, Jay? they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps! they should never have taken on those student loans in the first place! they are lazy, self-serving and want a hand-out …

I read it here from the “53%-ers” every effing day, so it must be true, right?

Normal

October 19th, 2011
7:01 am

Bill…bless your heart…

stands for decibels

October 19th, 2011
7:04 am

I read it here from the “53%-ers” every effing day, so it must be true, right?

No.

(THBAEOSATSQ.)

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
7:04 am

In the meantime – this was the article I sent Jay yesterday – from Nouriel Roubini

The squeezed and sinking 99% and the thriving top 1% (as the Occupy Wall Street protestors have it) may be a simplification of a highly complex situation. But it resonates with a deeper truth that unfettered free markets, deregulation and globalization have not benefitted all and that some of their pernicious consequences are associated with massive job losses, mediocre income growth and rising inequality. To save globalization and its power to increase productivity and economic growth, we need to start seriously addressing its consequences, including the rise in inequality and the stagnating real incomes of most households and workers.

http://www.economonitor.com/nouriel/2011/10/17/full-analysis-the-instability-of-inequality/

In the U.S., for example, by 2010, income inequality was back to levels not seen since 1928 in the first Gilded Age, right before the onset of the Great Depression (Figure 2). By last year, the share of income of the top 1% by income was 23%, having risen from 10% two decades earlier. The top 5% control about 75% of the financial wealth.

this isn’t about wealth ENVY, this is about wealth OPPORTUNITY – and when 5% control 75% of wealth, that tells me there’s not a lot of opportunity out there.

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
7:04 am

dB – 7:04 – :lol:

word!

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
7:06 am

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/y/H/4/luke-skywalker-99-percent.jpg

(sorry, Normal, I gotta give you a run for your $$$ on this one)

Joel Edge

October 19th, 2011
7:06 am

“Occupy’ movement giving voice to legitimate fears”
And they seem to revolve around something like ‘hey, who stole my Apple?’
Sorry, couldn’t help it.

stands for decibels

October 19th, 2011
7:08 am

The only — and I mean only — part of last night’s Gooper debate that didn’t turn my stomach was when the token OWS question was directed at Ron Paul, and the Congrefsman said a few things that put him in Column D / Row 5 for a minute, for me.

I guess I feel compelled to point out that while sure, much of this is coming from what they call “the Left” it’s really coming from a shared, utterly justified sense of betrayal that isn’t so easily categorized by facile political pigeonholes.

(But don’t worry, Galtian overlords–I’m sure your wealth and power will manage to find some way to put a lid on it, somehow. You always find a way. F-ckers.)

Normal

October 19th, 2011
7:10 am

Normal

October 19th, 2011
7:11 am

Stands,
They will call in the cops and bulldozers, scoop them all up and process them into little green crackers…

stands for decibels

October 19th, 2011
7:11 am

jv

October 19th, 2011
7:14 am

Get this straight: definition of terrorist: anyone who uses the threat of violence to promote their own agenda, with no thought to the consequences: in other words, Occupiers are TERRORISTS and should be arrested!

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
7:15 am

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
7:16 am

“Occupiers are TERRORISTS and should be arrested!”

that’s right! people putting their stories on signs are just like Al Quaeda

:roll:

stands for decibels

October 19th, 2011
7:19 am

anyone who uses the threat of violence to promote their own agenda, with no thought to the consequences

How much wronger could you be on both counts? First off, the OWSers aren’t threatening violence, at least not in any organized way, here in the States (and you can’t make them responsible for what some Yurpean thugs were up to over the weekend.) And secondly, I think most who are out there making their voices heard are very well aware that this could mess up their future employment opportunities. You think that there won’t be any score settling down the road? You think that the Koch suckers won’t blacklist anyone who stood in their way?

Normal

October 19th, 2011
7:20 am

jv just doesn’t understand the Bill of Rights…

Bill Orvis White

October 19th, 2011
7:21 am

I see that a lot of these deadbeats have their mommy and daddy’s Apple computers. If it weren’t for the gov’t getting off of Mr. Jobs’ back, then these losers wouldn’t have these computers. What a bunch of stupid kids. Here I am expanding the economy and here they are sitting around complaining. I say give them choices: go to prison, join the military or move to Cuba, Venezuela, Iran or North Korea. If not them be forceful and do what it takes to remove them from parks.
Amen,
Bill

Normal

October 19th, 2011
7:21 am

“Koch suckers”… Me likes!

Ronnie Raygun

October 19th, 2011
7:22 am

Some people will lick the boots of the Wall Street thieves, hoping for a crumb from their tables, until the day they die. Even during the Revolutions, some cowards supported King George because they were afraid of overthrowing their royal masters, some of their descendants are doing the same groveling to the Wall Street Royals today. Sometimes you have to be a man and stand up for yourself. Unlike the Conned, the occupiers have the stones to stand up for themselves.

Normal

October 19th, 2011
7:22 am

Bill Orvis White…a heart one size too small…

Bill Orvis White

October 19th, 2011
7:23 am

@Normal I’m mad because these dumb kids could be contributing to society instead of blaming the achievers!
GOOD NIGHT!
Amen,
Bill

Dunwoodian

October 19th, 2011
7:23 am

True, it is easy to label these protesters as lazy potheads, freeloaders or debt welchers, however I believe the fundamental issue here if the breakdown of government.

People feel Federal, State, and local governments are no longer working for their benefit, only those that can gain access through money. Both parties are equally guilty.

I applaud their resilience, yet think they might be better off if they shied away from the endorsement of the three hikers recently release from Iran. Who in their right mind would go camping on the Iran/Iraq border? Any National Park would suffice for me!

Skip

October 19th, 2011
7:27 am

Why don’t they just buy a couple congressmen? It worked well for big business.

Joel Edge

October 19th, 2011
7:28 am

“do what it takes to remove them from parks.”

God no, let em stay. I would also suggest that the Dem Party fully embrace the OWS protesters. I think we’ve seen that things like this push the voters in the alternate direction. 1968

Normal

October 19th, 2011
7:28 am

Bill Orvis White, You’re angry because you are Bill Orvis White.

Get over yourself…

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
7:29 am

BOW doesn’t seem to understand that, in this case, protesting actually IS contributing to society.

we’re mad as hell …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGIY5Vyj4YM

Joel Edge

October 19th, 2011
7:30 am

I’m putting together a food package today. I’ve got some old cold-weather gear the Guard probably isn’t going to want back. Hippies still like that kind of stuff, right.

jt

October 19th, 2011
7:31 am

Meanwhile——Backdoor TARP 7——heckuva job Barry—————
From Bloomberg-
Bank of America Corp. (BAC), hit by a credit downgrade last month, has moved derivatives from its Merrill Lynch unit to a subsidiary flush with insured deposits, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation…
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There are also rumors of BOA refusing OWS protestors from closing accounts.
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If you are still with BOA………..then you’re probably an Obama supporting warmist.

ragnar danneskjold

October 19th, 2011
7:32 am

The Occupy Wall Streetpeople represent the highest attributes found among our democrat brethren, a whining plea for government to give them good jobs without too much work, and to have somebody else pay for it all. A triumph for dependency over self-reliance.

Granny Godzilla

October 19th, 2011
7:32 am

Ya know…I have been a part of the 53% AND the 99% all my life.

Half of our life savings was lost in the recession, my husband was forced to retire early with a medical history that would prevent him from ever being hired again, adversely affecting his social security, costing mega dollars in health inusrance costs and blowing my planned retirement in December at 55.

We are not poor. We are not going to have to sleep under a bridge or eat cat food.

After a lifetime of saving, and putting off, a lifetime of following the rules, keeping our debt low, improving ourselves professionally and
raising some damn fine kids – the dream we worked for and pre-funded was
pulled out from under us.

I am justifiably pissed.

And now I hear Eric Cantor is going to give a speech on income inequality.

God Bless and protect the Occupy Movement.

Normal

October 19th, 2011
7:34 am

How can a bank legally prevent you from closing your accounts?

Rightwing Troll

October 19th, 2011
7:35 am

Great, we finally are starting to be clued in to WHY.

Now, what SHOULD the banks or government DO to make the situation better for these folks?

In other words what is the GOAL of these protests?

It was plainly clear as to what MLK’s and Ghandi’s goals were, now what are the goals of these kids? (many of whom are experiencing actual face-to-face relating for the first time)

Part of the problem is that these kids are helpless. They’ve spent thier entire lives staring at a screen, so they don’t know HOW to find what they need, if they could find it they don’t know HOW to acquire it… There’s an entire dimension missing from thier lives, and it wasn’t the banks that cheated them out of it. (Don’t get me wrong, banks are inherently evil, but necessary)

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
7:36 am

Normal – evidently, if you go in carrying signs, you’re disrupting business and they’ll kick you out before you can do anything

Rightwing Troll

October 19th, 2011
7:37 am

Normal, I don’t know how they can do it, but they do. They can keep that account open and they can continue to assess fees against it…

jt

October 19th, 2011
7:38 am

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
7:38 am

ragnar – 7:32 – bollocks.

utter and complete bollocks.

Mick

October 19th, 2011
7:38 am

bill orvis

Where is your christian compassion? A lot of these folks are legitimately in trouble and there are NO JOBS for them to get out of it. From 2000 to 2009, we shipped millions of jobs overseas, you think that had an effect? Even your plumbing wages have stagnated from these corporate traitors, it’s all about the dollar, the hell with the people, let them eat breadcrumbs. Famous passage in the old testament about lazarus and the rich man, if only that message resonated today, lazarus made it to heaven and the rich man who couldn’t spare him squat with every earthly possesion went to HELL and it was too late for redemption – great story…

stands for decibels

October 19th, 2011
7:39 am

Granny Godzilla

October 19th, 2011
7:40 am

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 19th, 2011
7:41 am

Great story Jay. Helping to put a face on the real people instead of the cherry picked nonsense and outright lies created by some. Like Granny, I am a part of the 53%, part of the 99% and I believe at times, although it has not felt like it, part of the 1%. This movement is already changing the conversation. I hope that it continues and it makes a difference to bring this country back to the kinder, caring country that offered better opportunity for all and at least a place where we all had an equal voice. Time to remove the big money from politics

Bud Wiser

October 19th, 2011
7:43 am

USinUK
October 19th, 2011
6:49 am

poor Bud doesn’t seem to realize that support for this issue is on the left AND the right …

but then reading comprehension never has been is strong suit … – Apparently spelling is your weakness, USinUK

I know a collection of morons when I see one; all I have to do is come to this piece every day, and you geese trumpet your ignorance with every post. It sort of reminds me of the story about the pigs and the free corn……sorry, I realize I just got far to intellectual for the group I am addressing……..

The only legitimate fears I can see these loser occupiers have is a fear of being arrested when they defecate in the public parks as they have been doing (what ARE these people eating anyway, and who is buying it for them; I thought they had no money, no jobs, no hope, etc, etc)

Mick

October 19th, 2011
7:45 am

keep

Good point, yes they are changing the conversation from deficit reduction to jobs, jobs, and jobs – about time…

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
7:47 am

Bud – nah – dropping my “h’s” like a proper East-Londoner

“I know a collection of morons when I see one”

hanging out in a hall of mirrors again???

Normal

October 19th, 2011
7:47 am

Thanks friends,
I’m sending these home to look at there…can’t do the you tube stuff at work…

Independent

October 19th, 2011
7:48 am

Jay, wouldn’t even a freshman journalist learn to verify if the stories on the fence are true? Not saying they’re untrue and I do know there are many heart wrenching stories in this economy, but you have to admit that many are embellished.

Mick

October 19th, 2011
7:48 am

Deficate in the park? If you listen to the right wingers they seem to be overly fixated on defication, I wonder why? Is it really that prevalent? or just another smear tactic…

Bill Orvis White

October 19th, 2011
7:48 am

I pray that police in all cities do their jobs and remove these human barricades by any means necessary. All of them have been warned. Everyone knows that these yippies are being incited by Hussein Obama, Nanny Pelosi, Bawney Frank, war criminal Denny Kucinich, George Soros and Arianna Huffington. The reason that we are in a financial pickle is through years of fiscal irresponsiblity starting with Jimmah Carter who started giving away houses during his miserable term. Then Bubba Clinton picked up from where Jimmah left off and starting giving out all kinds of goodies thus creating the bubbles in the economy with Al Greenspan — while claiming to create all those jobs that disappeared anyway and most of those jobs were McJobs. Bubba Clinton took Jimmah’s mess to much higher levels and created a recession. The honorable Pres. GW Bush stared down the recession by strengthening our military due to Bubba Clinton taking a vacation from history and then giving us our money back! The private sector expanded and we were respected in the word while promoting a culture of life. We were on the path to prosperity when stupid protestors like these today voted for the community-organizer-in-chief who created a massive recession, unemployment, illegally bombed Libya, funded Solyndra, promoted this thug Holder, instituted and rammed healthcare down our throats and let the jihadists and China run all over us. DO NOT BLAME ACHIEVERS! BLAME THE MUSLIM KENYAN (and his secular-progressive helpers) YOU INSTALLED INTO THE WHITE HOUSE. Many of these protestors are anti-American socialists who ought to be expelled or be given a second chance to become a patriot!
Amen,
Bill

stands for decibels

October 19th, 2011
7:49 am

when they defecate in the public parks

Hey, Bud? You’re a WATB and all that, per usual, but thanks for reminding me:

Jon Stewart can GFH.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/movement-jokes.html

I wonder if it would be possible for Jon Stewart not to concern troll about dirty hippies allegedly defecating on police cars on his show?

[...]

Nobody knows the motives of this man who did this thing. It could have been a radical political act or it could have been the act of someone with loose screws who’s just hanging around the protest area. But to impute that act to Occupy Wall Street is cheap, even if it’s in service of a cheap joke.

Not that it matters, really. This is already an iconic image of the protests among the wing nuts, passed along with the same sick prurient glee that the neighbors had when they passed that little book of civil rights protesters alleged beastly behavior to my parents in the deep south in 1964. I guess that stuff never gets old.

Seriously, Jon. You had the better part of a million people show up in person to hear what you had to say, a year ago, and you couldn’t so much as f-ckin’ bother to ask them to vote?

GFY.

Mick

October 19th, 2011
7:50 am

usinuk

Pay no attention to the boob behind the curtain, you are one of my shero’s on this blog :) Keep hammering away, most are no match…

Granny Godzilla

October 19th, 2011
7:51 am

Bill Orvis White

Bless your heart.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new neo-cons.

October 19th, 2011
7:52 am

Morning, all.

Yes, we have all fallen on hard times – some more than others. I get it!

Amen! And Whiskey Tango Foxtrot??

And is this the first sign of a chink in the far right’s armor of delusion and denial?

I salute the otherwise deranged Bill, as this acknowledgement is damn near heresy to his reality averse ideology.

No outrage. No admission of the realities. No desire to change a damn thing.

And notice that every one of these suddenly tough on crime frauds does NOT speak to the issues that the protesters and the rest of us do.

They speak ONLY of the protesters themselves. They have so damn little of importance to add to the discussion, this is what they have been reduced to. Wholesale smears and Republican propaganda.

Or even worse, they just parrot the pandering lies by servile, clueless idiots as evidenced by the new Alan Keyes last night.

Fortunately Ron Paul showed the nation what a nasty, little, bankster-protecting creep that Becky Stan Herman truly is…

Mick

October 19th, 2011
7:52 am

bill,

You really need to get out more, take a few remedial economics and history courses, then get back to us…

Matt

October 19th, 2011
7:52 am

Stands – nice reference from “Muswell Hillbillies”. A perfect album for this time.

Normal

October 19th, 2011
7:53 am

The following came from the movie “The American President”, but it is
America 101.

“America isn’t easy. America is advanced citizenship. You’ve gotta want it bad, ’cause it’s gonna put up a fight. It’s gonna say, “You want free speech? Let’s see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who’s standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.” You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country cannot just be a flag. The symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Now show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms.

Then you can stand up and sing about the land of the free.”

Tells it like it is, huh?

Normal

October 19th, 2011
7:55 am

Bill Orvis White,

You need to take more fiber, man…

Joe The Plumber too.

October 19th, 2011
7:55 am

@ mick: “Even your plumbing wages have stagnated from these corporate traitors”. When did that happen? Perhaps the new construction plumbing companies are having a hard time but they should have realized long ago, the money is in service work not construction. My company is on track to bypass our highest net year by mid-November. My employees have received raises every six months for the past seven years. We have been able to do this not because of Bush, not because of obama but in spite of them. These children protesters are barking up the wrong tree, they should be in DC, where the real criminals are.

Jack

October 19th, 2011
7:58 am

I always thought that people that encourage “hippie” lawlessness were enjoying some sort of twilight zone existence; a sort of Hollywood induced bliss. They need to go over to Woodruff and take all their money to distribute amongst the poor little mistreated losers and take along their own tent. I suspect that most ordinary folks will stay home and laugh at the spectacle produced by entitlement-minded misfits.

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
7:58 am

Normal – since you can’t play with the YouTubes, here’s the text:

I don’t have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It’s a depression. Everybody’s out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel’s worth. Banks are going bust. Shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there’s no one anywhere that seems to know what to do with us. Now into it. We know the air is unfit to breathe, our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had 15 homicides and 63 violent crimes as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be. We know things are bad. Worse than bad. They’re crazy. It’s like everything everywhere is going crazy so we don’t go out anymore. We sit in a house as slowly the world we’re living in is getting smaller and all we say is, “Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster, and TV, and my steel belted radials and I won’t say anything.” Well I’m not going to leave you alone. I want you to get mad. I don’t want you to protest. I don’t want you to riot. I don’t want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn’t know what to tell you to write. I don’t know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crying in the streets. All I know is first you’ve got to get mad. You’ve got to say, “I’m a human being. God Dammit, my life has value.” So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out, and yell, “I’m as mad as hell, and I’m not going to take this anymore!” I want you to get up right now. Get up. Go to your windows, open your windows, and stick your head out, and yell, “I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore!” Things have got to change my friends. You’ve got to get mad. You’ve got to say, “I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore!” Then we’ll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open your window, stick your head out and yell, “I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore!”

jt

October 19th, 2011
7:58 am

Only a MittRick Cainiac supporter can get offended by a turd on a policecar while ignoring a Gallegher-type splattering of Ken Lewis/Bernack/Geitner explosive diahrrea.
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Sorry….I’m out.

Granny Godzilla

October 19th, 2011
7:59 am

Joe the Plumber

A lot of those “children protestors” have grandchildren.

Your insulting them makes them stronger.

You have no idea of the power that is being unleashed at the moment do you?

Steve - USA

October 19th, 2011
7:59 am

Borrowing $80,000 to get a degree just seems crazy. The cost of getting a degree is getting out of hand. Of course she made a choice to borrow $80K when there are cheaper schools available.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new neo-cons.

October 19th, 2011
8:02 am

Agreed, Matt. There is never a bad time for some Kinks…

I know a collection of morons when I see one;

And pray tell, what exactly does your family reunion have to do with anything? (grin)

I’ll try to post a video or transcript of the obsequious little Herman doing his piggish routine.

And what a piece of cr@p audience at that debate last night, huh?

Maher is right: voting Republican is an act of stupidity by the middle class…

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
8:03 am

godless heathen

October 19th, 2011
8:04 am

OWSers. Bless your hearts.

BlahBlahBlah

October 19th, 2011
8:05 am

Georgia Perimeter + Georgia State + part time job while in school + a little bit of financial discipline = a very good degree and very little debt upon graduation.

Why it this so difficult? $80,000 in student loan debt, despite working a full time job = something isn’t adding up. We’re not hearing the whole story.

Granny Godzilla

October 19th, 2011
8:05 am

Steve USA

if that is 80 grand for four years…that is a cheaper school.

stands for decibels

October 19th, 2011
8:06 am

Get up. Go to your windows, open your windows, and stick your head out

UnU, I assume you’ve noted the graphic that always accompany’s Digby’s joint, but if not…

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
8:07 am

dB – 8:06 – been down with that for years!

(Digby rocks my world)

Rob

October 19th, 2011
8:07 am

The occupy movement is nothing more than a bunch of non working individuals blaming everything on Wall street, banks and corporations. While there is certainly corruption in some of these areas the actual problem has been created by Washington (politicians) so why don’t these occupiers go protest in Washington??? I read a few posts that some are complaining about losing money in the stock market during the recent recession, and they are posting in support of the protesters because of this. If they lost money in the stock market its no ones fault but their own for not putting their money/savings into safe harbor stocks/bonds or money market funds when stocks began to drop.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new neo-cons.

October 19th, 2011
8:07 am

… protesters are barking up the wrong tree, they should be in DC, where the real criminals are.

The deluded always leave out the key word in that parroted Cainspeak.

The OTHER real criminals are.

Is it truly possible that they have conned themselves to the point that they honestly think that NOBODY on Wall Street is complicit or even involved in this horrific situation and these crimes?

The lengths the faithful will go to, to turn a blind eye to the realities is staggering. But neither new nor unexpected…

Normal

October 19th, 2011
8:07 am

I was just reminded by a colleague that all this huffin’ and puffin’ about Wall Street, tax cuts, budget balancing and the upcoming Presidential election is really a waste of time…He said, “Need I remind you of the Mayan Calendar prediction?”

Puts a new twist in things, huh?

DawgDad

October 19th, 2011
8:08 am

PLEASE, DO NOT drive out the Occupy protesters! They are driving a huge wedge in the coalition that makes the Democratic Party work, exposing the blatant hypocrisy of its leadership at every turn. There are reliable reports (I have to take this second-hand, not being a Democrat) the DNC recently sent a mailing to the Wall Street and Banking leaders, the same people who were heavily supportive of Obama and the Democrats in 2008 and continued to bankroll them in 2010, urging massive donations. Understandably, these bankers and Wall Street leaders were furious – they are being picketed and hung in effigy right outside their offices and homes! The Occupy people are protesting against their own interests – just how much campaign financing are you going to raise among those mobs? — and they are too stupid to understand those simple facts of life. Now, if they want to run all the big money out of the Democratic Party and let the unions go it alone, PLEASE go ahead and do it!!!

As for the whining about having to PAY for college and not being able to get a job, well, guess what people? You SHOULD have to earn or pay for your college education, and there are no guarantees of a job when you graduate (military academies excepted). Welcome to life. If you accumulate crushing debt in the process, well, maybe you would be better served protesting for economic instruction in the High Schools, at least a simple lesson on risk, reward, profit, interest, credit, and bankruptcy.

Simple question for the Occupy bunch – Why not protest your Union leaders for the UNIONS to provide free education and guaranteed jobs for the families of its members? Think about that for a moment; if you are smart enough you’ll gain some invaluable insight into the folly of your platform.

Steve - USA

October 19th, 2011
8:08 am

Granny,

So your saying you can’t get a degree in this country for less than $80,000?

BlahBlahBlah

October 19th, 2011
8:09 am

Granny: “blowing my planned retirement in December at 55″

awwww, let me throw you a pity party. Your dream of spending 25-30 years in retirement is gone. How sad.

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
8:10 am

“While there is certainly corruption in some of these areas the actual problem has been created by Washington (politicians) so why don’t these occupiers go protest in Washington??? I read a few posts that some are complaining about losing money in the stock market during the recent recession, and they are posting in support of the protesters because of this. If they lost money in the stock market its no ones fault but their own for not putting their money/savings into safe harbor stocks/bonds or money market funds when stocks began to drop.”

first of all, there ARE protests in DC

secondly, unless you have a self-directed 401K, you can’t sell particular holdings – you’re stuck with whatever fund you’re in.

stands for decibels

October 19th, 2011
8:10 am

You SHOULD have to earn or pay for your college education

I’m having one of those “good God, this country is so FUBAR it ain’t funny” moments right now.

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
8:12 am

Steve – “So your saying you can’t get a degree in this country for less than $80,000?”

you don’t know what kind of education she needed to get – med school, engineering school, law school – these things aren’t cheap – and those particular fields require a degree (if not an advanced degree)

Peter

October 19th, 2011
8:13 am

Bill, you are living on a different planet!

Granny Godzilla

October 19th, 2011
8:14 am

Steve USA

if you think

“if that is 80 grand for four years…that is a cheaper school”

means

“So your saying you can’t get a degree in this country for less than $80,000?”

I have to ask if you had the same level of education as Jethro Bodine.

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
8:15 am

“You SHOULD have to earn or pay for your college education”

I don’t think that anyone disagrees with paying for education – however, there should be a long, hard look at tuition costs and how they’ve escallated over the last decades (even exceeding health costs)

http://missinghumanmanual.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/healtcosts.gif

Granny Godzilla

October 19th, 2011
8:16 am

Blah Blah Blah

Yes my dream is smashed. and 250 grand is gone.

Pity Party? Nope 55 will still be a blowout.

And no I am not freaking kidding you.

Scooter

October 19th, 2011
8:16 am

They are voicing legitimate concerns but have been hijacked by the Democrat base, who seems content in overlooking Fannie and Freddie’s involvement. Of course that involvement was to inflate the bubble through their securitization and bundling of mortgage backed securities to promote HUD’s mission statement. Wall Street only played the hand they were dealt by the GSE’s and once a mortgage passed through the GSEs, it was fully backed by the American taxpayer.

When it all came crashing down Washington took care of those important to them, the rich for campaign contributions and the poor for votes. Anyone who insist on glossing over the political involvement in creating the bubble is naive or partisan. Which one is it Jay?

Now we have a whole generation of first time home buyers removed from the economy because we will all have to pay tens of thousands of dollars just to sell our homes. The government contributed to creating the bubble market we purchased in and now we get no help if we honorably pay our debt, just the poor and the rich get lifelines. Bring back Sarbanes Oxley to break up the “too big to fail” banks, because Dodd/Frank did nothing in those regards. But hey, Dodd and Frank were two of the many democrats refusing republican calls to regulate Fannie and Freddie early this century, so what should we’ve expect?

AmVet - Read my lips. No new neo-cons.

October 19th, 2011
8:17 am

I suspect that most ordinary folks will stay home and laugh at the spectacle produced by entitlement-minded misfits.

Suspicions are a pitiful excuse for knowledge.

ONLY those in the lunatic fringe deride the movement.

Exactly twice as many (54%) of their respondents had a favorable opinion of OWS as compared to the Tea Party (27%).

68% want the wealthy to pay more taxes;
71% want to see bankers prosecuted for the 2008 crash;
79% believe the gap between rich and poor in the U.S. has grown too large;
86% believe Wall Street and its lobbyists have too much influence.

Stay ignorant, though. It serves your purpose well.

Joe The Plumber too.

October 19th, 2011
8:17 am

granny, the children protestors I speak of are the ones I see on the local news, no I don’t watch Fox, and when they are up there demanding that all debts from student loans be forgiven it makes me sick. Who is on the hook for that, wall street? Nope, me and you granny, the taxpayers take it ungreased when loans backed by us are not payed back. Yes, there are sad stories from parents and grandparents coming out but there have always been sad stories. It all comes down to personal choices, I have done without a lot of luxuries through the years to build a fine nestegg, I have covered myself so that no flippin politician will get whats mine after I have payed my ” fair share “, be it democrat or republican. Again, I say the anger of these protestors are directed at the wrong group. Wall Street has not done anything that DC hasn’t allowed, go to the source.

Scooter

October 19th, 2011
8:19 am

USinUK, if looking into why an education bubble is being created, look no further than government’s promotion thereof.

Granny Godzilla

October 19th, 2011
8:21 am

Joe the Plumber

Protect wall street. Embrace wall street.

It is your right, but you are wrong.

Bless your heart.

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
8:22 am

Scooter – the government’s promotion??? criminey – look a little closer to home and the BANK’S promotion – they were the ones making the profit, not the government.

as far as the importance of going to university, I don’t think you can honestly say that a good post-bac education isn’t critical to the ongoing success of the country – while we need plumbers and dry-wall guys, the country needs more engineers, software developers, and innovators. and the only way we’re going to get that is through higher education. hell, Steve Jobs didn’t graduation university, but he did GO and audit classes.

Granny Godzilla

October 19th, 2011
8:23 am

Scooter

Please enlighten us on the education bubble.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new neo-cons.

October 19th, 2011
8:23 am

“Wall Street has not done anything that DC hasn’t allowed, go to the source.”

So apparently in the most backasswards thinking possible, someone wants the banksters reigned in form their “sustained orgy of excess and reckless behavior” and held accountable for their crimes through proper oversight and regulations with actual teeth in them???

Tell me NOES!!!

NOT MORE GOVERNMENT!!!

godless heathen

October 19th, 2011
8:24 am

How is Wall Street responsible for the high cost of a college degree?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 19th, 2011
8:24 am

Wall Street has not done anything that DC hasn’t allowed, go to the source

Sheesh…. Wall Street is the source. That is where the lobbyist come from that changes the rules because Wall Street says this is good. “Let us take the money out of pensions — this is good and here is a campaign donation” etc.

Steve - USA

October 19th, 2011
8:25 am

Granny,

Typical response from you. You are such an awesome person, the world is so lucky to have your knowledge.

Once again pou have missed the entire point. “Raymond, Raymond…..the ducks are over here.”

Feel free to have your snarky last word, I don’t have the time to camp out here 24/7.

Granny Godzilla – founding member of Occupy Blogs.

DawgDad

October 19th, 2011
8:25 am

“I don’t think that anyone disagrees with paying for education ”

Did you miss the quote in Jay’s story “All my life I’ve seen ‘immigrants’ being denied the right to receive scholarships to go to school “??? Aside from the plain fact that’s a crock of BS, SOMEONE disagrees and believes it’s part of the Occupy platform, and Jay saw fit to publish the quote as representative of their concerns.

kayaker 71

October 19th, 2011
8:26 am

Unemployment over 9% for the last 840+ days, more like 15 or so percent when you count those who have just quit looking. Most of the result of failed Bozo economic policies that have pushed these people to the brink. When will all of you liberals admit that this joke in the WH has been a colossal failure? It ain’t working but you stubbornly stick to the same old line and blame the top 10% of our population for his failures. Class welfare works…. just ask Bozo. And for what? Four more years of the same old bull sh*t. Wake up libs…. they’re protesting in the wrong place.

stands for decibels

October 19th, 2011
8:27 am

this.

“[I]f the deficit fetishists actually cared about the deficit they’d understand that the best way to get rid of it is economic growth. There is no evidence at the moment that the deficit is having any negative impact on economic growth through higher interest rates, so the lack of growth is due to something else. Fix the economy, fix the deficit.

“But they don’t care about the deficit, they care about cutting spending. They don’t care about cutting spending on freedom bombs and perpetual war everywhere, they care about cutting spending for old people and poor people. They aren’t noble fiscal hawks, they’re just bad people who enjoy the suffering of others.”

Granny Godzilla

October 19th, 2011
8:28 am

Steve USA

Your silly and insulting post proves my point.

You double naught spies impress me so verry much.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new neo-cons.

October 19th, 2011
8:30 am

Obsequious liars can never be allowed to do so with impunity.

Fox News figures have called the Occupy Wall Street protests a “fringe” movement and have spent weeks attacking the protesters. But a new Time magazine poll shows that the protesters are supported by a majority of Americans, and their causes are supported by large majorities of the public — including, in some cases, by most Republicans.

The non-Fox News truth, of course, is radically (get it?) different:

A closer look at the poll’s cross-tabs provides a fuller picture of the movement’s diverse support. Occupy Wall Street enjoys majority backing among men (57%) and women (51%), young (60% of respondents 18 to 34) and old (51%). Self-identified Democrats, unsurprisingly, comprise the left-leaning movement’s largest bloc, with 66% professing support. But more than half of independents (55%) harbor favorable views of the protesters, as do a third of Republicans.

And the liars here cannot explain it, so they do what they do – avoid the truth, at all costs…

Ricky B

October 19th, 2011
8:30 am

My heart goes out to these people

My mind says many (most) of them made some bad decisions along the way. Hopefully others can learn from their mistakes.

Get a college education. But get a degree that is useful. Business, engineering, math, bioscience, materials science, technology.

Folks, decisions you make in life will affect the outcome. We don’t live in an inconsequential world. Please remember that.