Gallup: Majority of Americans back pot legalization

This is, I think, one of the more dramatic reversals of public opinion of the past 30 years.

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As Gallup notes, this is the first year in which a majority of Americans polled say they support legalization of marijuana, and the clear trend line suggests that majority is likely to grow. The realities of life offer further reason to think that trend will continue. Support for legalization is lowest among those 65 and older, and highest among those ages 18-29.

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Not surprisingly, Southern Republican conservatives older than 65 are least likely to support legalization. But even among that subgroup, it looks as though roughly a third or more think marijuana should be legal. That’s roughly the same level of support that existed in the nation as a whole just a decade ago.

I’m at a loss to explain that sudden shift in sentiment, because I have no idea what outside force might be driving it. It is, you might say, a homegrown movement.

– Jay Bookman

866 comments Add your comment

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
11:07 am

Well at least Timothy Leary is happy.

Tommy Maddox

October 18th, 2011
11:09 am

Talk about a nation in decline…

Butch Cassidy

October 18th, 2011
11:11 am

Do it! Actually, I’d be for a complete course correction of this country. How about: America, The new Amsterdam. :) Seriously, have you seen how happy those people are?

Gale

October 18th, 2011
11:12 am

Cue the giggles.

Normal

October 18th, 2011
11:13 am

DUUUUUDDDDDEEEEE!!!!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:14 am

Is someone serving lunch with this blog? I am starving for some reason.

Gale

October 18th, 2011
11:16 am

I think most Americans realize we have more important things to think about than whether the neighbors are getting stoned and why aren’t they sharing.

Butch Cassidy

October 18th, 2011
11:17 am

Legalize pot eh? Hmmm….New streams of revenue, decreased crime, reduced need for law enforcement resulting in increased savings on both the state and federal level, potential for new jobs and an overall happier population.

BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Gimme my 999!

Normal

October 18th, 2011
11:19 am

Pop saved my sanity while I was in ‘Nam and when I got out. It let me sleep without the dreams, let me keep my cool when hassled and it did not make me want to rape and kill.

And I’m surprised that the 60+ demographic is not more in favor of Gods Weed.

After all, doesn’t it say in Genesis that God gave man dominion over the plants and animals in this blue marble?

ByteMe

October 18th, 2011
11:19 am

The poll was sponsored by Frito-Lay and Kraft/Nabisco.

Normal

October 18th, 2011
11:20 am

Pop=pot…I must be stoned… ;)

Jefferson

October 18th, 2011
11:22 am

It sure cost a lot of money to lose a war on your own citizens. Much like prohibition as far as the underworld goes.

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
11:25 am

Hey Hey!!!!!!!! A chart that i likes!

:-) ))))))))))))

Twist it up Jay!!!!!

Butch Cassidy

October 18th, 2011
11:27 am

I feel the need, the need for weed! ;)

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
11:28 am

Willie, Ron White, Woody, and George Washington all agree…….let’s grow!

Good Grief

October 18th, 2011
11:28 am

If you legalize it, you remove a percentage of the prison population who are not dangerous to the community at large. Sure, you can say that pot endangers a community because of potential negative health consequences, but if you are going to fight pot you have to also fight cigarettes and alcohol.

ty webb

October 18th, 2011
11:28 am

of course it should be legal…along with prostitution.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:28 am

Now I understand Cain’s song: Imagine there’s no pizza. I toked and then I cried….

Don't Tread

October 18th, 2011
11:29 am

Why stop at pot? If you’re going to make that legal, make them all legal. And free. Let them have as much as they want (preferably all of it at the same time).

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 18th, 2011
11:30 am

I say turn the potheads loose and save us a ton of police and jail money. But be sure and put them away for keeps if they kill somebody while stoned.

Let’s go after a bunch of creeps that are getting a free ride right now: the hackers. There’s two kinds. One just likes to mess up somebody else’s PC for fun. The other one tries to steal from people by getting their ID and credit card and bank information. Law-abiding people are paying a fortune for virus and spyware protection. And even that doesn’t work all the time. What kind of weirdo gets his kicks from trying to ruin somebody else’s PC?

I think if we threw a hacker in for every pothead we let out of jail we’d all be safer. Besides, we’d free up space at GA Tech.

Have a good Tuesday everybody.

Butch Cassidy

October 18th, 2011
11:30 am

Good Grief – ” but if you are going to fight pot you have to also fight cigarettes and alcohol.”

Apparently you’ve never been to Utah. :)

Butch Cassidy

October 18th, 2011
11:31 am

ty webb – “of course it should be legal…along with prostitution”

Hmmmm…..Nope, got no argument there.

USinUK

October 18th, 2011
11:34 am

unfortunately, all that means is that TV will be even more crap than it already is :-(

(Teletubbies 24/7!)

Good Grief

October 18th, 2011
11:34 am

Butch – I have been to Utah. Drove in from Arizona and didn’t stop until Wyoming. You know, they say when Brigham Young was leading the Mormons they reached the Great Salt Lake and he said “We stop here…” and before he could finish his sentence these weary travelers had jumped off their wagons and started building houses. If he had been allowed to finish, the sentence would’ve gone “We stop here, so I can pee, then it’s on to sunny California!”

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
11:35 am

“Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda,
smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see.”
- Thomas Jefferson

Excellent

Granny Godzilla

October 18th, 2011
11:35 am

It’s time.

Now who’s got the Hostess cupcakes.

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
11:37 am

“Pick it, pack it, fire it up, and come along, take a hit from the bong”

-The Pharcyde

Jm

October 18th, 2011
11:37 am

Americans have gotten lazy and gluttonous and indulgent according to Obama

Maybe he’s right

Butch Cassidy

October 18th, 2011
11:37 am

Good Grief – “You know, they say when Brigham Young was leading the Mormons they reached the Great Salt Lake and he said “We stop here…” and before he could finish his sentence these weary travelers had jumped off their wagons and started building houses.”

LOL, I actually grew up there, about an hour north of Salt Lake in Brigham City. Your’re joke is actually pretty accurate. When they got there, they mistook the Great Salt Lake for the Pacific Ocean, and have been making mistakes ever since. ;)

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
11:37 am

GG

Another point of agreement.

USinUK

October 18th, 2011
11:38 am

sorry, I have to pull out this classic again …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3ecDYxOkg

JKL2

October 18th, 2011
11:40 am

About time. It needs to be legalized from an industrial standpoint. Hemp is actually a wonder plant (people were incouraged to grow it for WW II). It makes better cloth than cotton, better paper than trees, and better alcohol than corn. The only issue was the feds couldn’t differentiate between the industrial stuff, and the knid you smoke.

larry

October 18th, 2011
11:40 am

larry

October 18th, 2011
11:42 am

Now who’s got the Hostess cupcakes.

And the Doritoes , dont forget the Doritoes .

Adam

October 18th, 2011
11:43 am

Next thing you know we’ll have gays marrying dogs and public sex in the streets and the homosexual agenda and the liberal agenda and…. and…. and….

Thought I’d get the hysterical emotional and misplaced moralistic arguments out of the way early.

Gale

October 18th, 2011
11:44 am

JKL2, Too true. The silliness of the law has kept many good products off the market. Perhaps now that we are trying to reduce the chemicals in the environment, we can ignore DOW Chemical and return to hemp. I would rather farmers plant that than turn good corn into fuel.

willie lynch

October 18th, 2011
11:46 am

A nation in decline? Alcohol has been legal for how long? The only time it was banned at a federal level it led to one of the greatest times of national prosperity and a crime rate that rocked the nation.

The fact is “illegal” drugs (like alcohol) also provide a strong monetary incentive for the country. Think of how many law enforcement personnel (local and federal), health and rehab centers (state run and private) would be out of work and business. There is great incentive to keep the “illegal” drug trade active.

The moral question is one that isn’t worth consideration since America sanctions things much more detrimental than drugs. The bigger consideration should be what is in our best national interest? Right across the border we see bodies dumped in the middle of busy streets because of a war on the population of our supposed ally whose citizens are victims of the American appetite for “illegal” drugs. Without the demand there would be no need for supply.

Smart policy would be to either send troops into these countries and wage war as we did in the Middle East or cripple the cartels by legalizing their products and making the need for their services take on a different dimension. Either way current American drug policy has failed.

Of the much publicized celebrity suicides the choice of drugs has always been over the counter prescription medicine. Even the majority accidental overdoses have been linked to abuse or miss use of “legal” drugs.

Legalizing pot would be a step in the right direction of correcting 40 plus years of failed policy. The sooner the better.

And remember puff puff pass..

Butch Cassidy

October 18th, 2011
11:47 am

I must warn you Gale and JKL2, if you continue making sense, you will be immediatley reported to the authorities for assimilation into the Tea Party.

Union

October 18th, 2011
11:48 am

legalize and tax it..

willie lynch

October 18th, 2011
11:48 am

JKL2

October 18th, 2011
11:40 am

The alcohol, corn and cotton industries were the reason for the demise in the support of broad use of hemp.

St Simons - we're on Island time

October 18th, 2011
11:49 am

ah, the cons worst nightmare

free the weed, free the mind

time’s almost up, conservatives

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
11:49 am

willie, i hate it when they mess up the rotation

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
11:50 am

“The alcohol, corn and cotton industries were the reason for the demise in the support of broad use of hemp.”

and the Paper Companies

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
11:50 am

If Barack Obama had one ounce of honor, he would do what Lyndon Johnson did. There is no excuse whatsoever for this president not stepping down and acknowledging his colossal failure.

He is a fraud.

larry

October 18th, 2011
11:50 am

I would rather farmers plant that than turn good corn into fuel.

What if we could turn hemp into fuel. Getting our cars stoned with every fill up ?

willie lynch

October 18th, 2011
11:51 am

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
11:50 am

Yep.

Doggone/GA

October 18th, 2011
11:52 am

“What if we could turn hemp into fuel. Getting our cars stoned with every fill up ?”

Or better yet…getting every driver in the area stoned on the fumes!

Adam

October 18th, 2011
11:55 am

One thing I never understood is why people think the sudden introduction of marijuana as legal will somehow impeded someone in the workplace. Workplaces already have rules about smoking and alcohol while on the job, why would this be any different?

Adam

October 18th, 2011
11:55 am

USinUK

October 18th, 2011
11:56 am

“What if we could turn hemp into fuel. ”

criminey, if they could turn kudzu into fuel, the south would rise again!

willie lynch

October 18th, 2011
11:57 am

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
11:50 am
There is no excuse whatsoever for this president not stepping down and acknowledging his colossal failure.

Limbaugh-I want to see him fail.

McConnell- It is my mission to make Barack Obama a one term president.

I think the colossal failure is in those who said before the man even took office that their goal was for their country to fail. I believe your sentiments are misplaced.

godless heathen

October 18th, 2011
11:57 am

Just finished watching the PBS / Ken Burns series on Prohibition. So many parallels with the war on weed. Decriminalization is way, way, over due.

Ahmed

October 18th, 2011
11:58 am

Well Jay I’m in each of the bottom four demographic groups on your list (+65 southern GOP conservative) and I support legalization of marijuana.

They could put it behind the pharmacist counter so you’d have to sign for it, sorta like those stupid nasal decongestant tablets. And tax the living s#!t out it.

Gale

October 18th, 2011
11:59 am

Kudzu fuel? Why have they not done that yet?

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
12:00 pm

I’m not interested in the ganj, but I see no problem with legalizing it and taxing it. Standards and penalties could be established for driving in an impaired state, similar to DUI laws.

I do know this — a drunk might hurt you in any number of ways. And nobody except the box of pop-tarts and the bag of doritos needs to be afraid of a heavy stoner. You park those guys on the couch, turn on the Cartoon Network and feed them some finger food, and they won’t be any problem at all.

USinUK

October 18th, 2011
12:01 pm

Gale – 2 birds / 1 stone!!

Godless – 11:57 – you said it!

Plain Truther

October 18th, 2011
12:02 pm

“New analysis finds 9-9-9 plan would raise taxes for most”

If Herrman Cain’s 9-9-9 tax plan were in effect today, the poorest 60% of taxpayers would pay an extra $2,000 while the richest one percent would get a $210,000 break, according to an analysis by Citizens for Tax Justice.

Another analysis by Edward D. Kleinbard, a law professor at the University of Southern California, estimated that a family with wage income of $120,000 in 2010 would have paid about $541 less under Cain’s plan, while a family that earned $50,000 would have paid about $4,800 more.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/la-pn-999-would-raise-taxes-20111018,0,5048555.story

USinUK

October 18th, 2011
12:02 pm

“nobody except the box of pop-tarts and the bag of doritos needs to be afraid of a heavy stoner”

and the obesity epidemic escallates …

(mmmmm … strawberry pop tarts!)

Blue Man on a Red Island

October 18th, 2011
12:03 pm

Not going to happen as long as the pharmaceutical companies help control what happens in DC. No way they are going to allow something with medicinal properties that can be grown in your back yard to be made legal.

My dad was on anti-depressants and sleep aids for years until he finally retired and no longer had to worry about drug testing. Now, he smokes a bowl when he’s feeling down, anxious or can’t sleep and he no longer needs what the pharm companies are selling. He’s in TN by the way and can get it quite easily with no hassle.

Butch Cassidy

October 18th, 2011
12:03 pm

Doggone – “Or better yet…getting every driver in the area stoned on the fumes!”

Yeah, just imagine WANTING to be caught in rush hour traffic! :)

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
12:04 pm

USinUK — “(mmmmm … strawberry pop tarts!)”

I saw some Halloween-themed ones at Publix the other day. Got a box of the punkin ones, but I haven’t had any yet.

USinUK

October 18th, 2011
12:08 pm

Joe – we (coworkers and I) just finished the 8 – count ‘em EIGHT – boxes of Halloween Peeps my sister gave me when I was home last month :-)

Matti's Encouragement

October 18th, 2011
12:08 pm

Yes. Decriminalize it, and put our law enforcement resources to better use. (Like locking up tweekers in rehab! Those effers are dangerous!)

Instead of locking up growers sand burning the crop, the local sheriff should just issue a “fine” based on the expected yield, due to be paid within seven months. That cash could be put to good use in the community when focused on local civic improvements, like schools, roads, hospitals, and paying firefighters, teachers, and policemen a decent wage. With the current system, the laws only enhance the bottom line of the bottom-feeding lawyers, and the good-buddy private contractors who run the prisons. What a waste!!

FrankLeeDarling

October 18th, 2011
12:10 pm

Wow I have rarely seen this much agreement here.

Just remember if you are going to smoke smoke good!

uspo

October 18th, 2011
12:12 pm

Legalize pot?

Bookman: put a lid on it.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
12:14 pm

And nobody except the box of pop-tarts and the bag of doritos needs to be afraid of a heavy stoner.

Gonna hafta disagree there.

I was in California in 2003 when they were going through their medical marijuana debate and saw a sheriff explain that the current marijuana was not the same as the weed of the 60s and 70s. Percentage of THC had risen on average, from 1-2% to 7-10%. What he said was, “This is not the ditch-weed your parents smoked.”

That being said, I think it should be legalized if only to regulate it like they do with proofing alcohol.

TaxPayer

October 18th, 2011
12:16 pm

I think we need to lower a hemp rope down one thread for Del. He could use the chillin’ effect.

St Simons - we're on Island time

October 18th, 2011
12:16 pm

the 6 year slope (m) of the No line is -2.333
the 6 year slope of the Yes line is +2.333
y = mx + b

If you assume that politicians will acquiesce to public opinion at the 2/3 level (66.7%) you can calculate approx what year it will be legalized and make plans accordingly.

This business tip brought to you by the accountants at…..uh I forget mon…

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
12:17 pm

I just looked up Brit Hume’s real name in Wikipedia and almost split my side laughing.

Yeah, this guy’s afraid of these Wall Street protesters all right. Yea aaa buddy.

Peadawg

October 18th, 2011
12:17 pm

Off topic but too funny not to post:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2011/story/_/id/7118541/2011-world-series-senators-urge-baseball-ban-tobacco – “Senators urge baseball to ban tobacco”

Forget jobs, the economy, the housing market. Let’s concentrate on regulating tobacco in baseball. :roll:

Matti's Encouragement

October 18th, 2011
12:18 pm

USinUK,

Fun with PEEPS: Put ‘em in the microwave and take pictures! (Be sure to use a paper plate, and of course, pull them out right before they explode….) ;-)

FrankLeeDarling

October 18th, 2011
12:20 pm

I think a lot of people have held the belief that pot should be leagle for some time now
But I think it is just now getting easier to say it publicly

TaxPayer

October 18th, 2011
12:20 pm

New analysis shows that Cain’s 999 plan would raise taxes for 99% but lower taxes for one percent so the majority once again gets equal treatment from a Republican plan. Isn’t that great!!!!

Mudfoot

October 18th, 2011
12:21 pm

Never saw a stoner stomp around a bar looking for a fight, beat up his/her spouse or smoke to the point of blood poisoning. Alcohol is far, far more dangerous than pot and opens many more doors to stronger drugs like meth and prescription drugs, but their lobby in Washington has kept alcohol legal and marijuana a schedule one contraband for decades. This lobby, of course, has had substantial assistance from the ignorant masses and law enforcement (while the war on drugs is clearly a complete failure, it’s quite lucrative for law enforcement) for just as long. Legalizing pot makes much sense financially AND morally so I am quite convinced that if this does ever happen here in Ga., we will be many years or decades behind the rest of the country in implementation… right next to Florida

uspo

October 18th, 2011
12:24 pm

Y not legalize pot? Look at the severe consequence: the term “far out” will be resurrected.

‘muff said

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
12:25 pm

I am starving for some reason.

Funny, I’ve been starving for even a smidgeon of reason for years now, and never finding any.

USMC

October 18th, 2011
12:27 pm

“Gallup: Majority of Americans back pot legalization”

Ahhh, yes, then Jay won’t need to run over to the alley on Euclid to score some weed. :-)

(I agree with you Jay, legalization would solve MANY problems; crime for starters)

Finn McCool

October 18th, 2011
12:28 pm

It’s no more damaging to citizens than drink. I’d much rather have a person on marijuana coming toward me on a two lane road than someone on vodka. For one thing, the person on marijuana would be driving like 5 mph.

Cops would have an easy time fininding people smoking and driving cause of the slowed traffic.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
12:28 pm

SFD, an unintentional double entendre…. but a great catch!

gadem

October 18th, 2011
12:29 pm

Imagine how much money the government could make by taxing the stuff. I am sure that the government has access to some really GREAT GRADE A Quality weed. They legalized alcohol and it does just as much damage as marijuana.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
12:30 pm

USinUK — “Joe – we (coworkers and I) just finished the 8 – count ‘em EIGHT – boxes of Halloween Peeps my sister gave me when I was home last month”

Peeps?

GAG ACK BARF

I hates me some Peeps.

http://www.peepresearch.org/

This is the only way I can stand some Peeps.

http://www.oddee.com/item_97695.aspx

Paddy O

October 18th, 2011
12:30 pm

Smoking dope chronically will not increase your job prospects. However, it is a relatively minor digressions – sort of like speeding. Therefore, I would support not decriminalizing, but altering the punishment – no jail, just a series of increasing financial fines.

Mick

October 18th, 2011
12:31 pm

Isn’t it amazing how a weed has created so many undeserving criminals in this country? It is a sad fact of american life and dare I predict will finally come to an end within the next twenty years. Party on garth…

USinUK

October 18th, 2011
12:31 pm

Joe – 2 words for all you Peep haters out there:

Peep.

S’mores.

oh, yeah!!!

FrankLeeDarling

October 18th, 2011
12:33 pm

Oops shoul have read that last post before I hit submit

USMC

October 18th, 2011
12:33 pm

“Gallup: Majority of Americans back pot legalization”

For all of you “Socialists” who aren’t familiar with investing money in the stock market and capital gains, etc., this would be a great time to buy stock in Pizza Delivery chains…
AND Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream! :-)

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
12:36 pm

Of course, elected Republicans almost universally choose not to give a crap about what what the majority of Americans think. See also:

http://pollingreport.com/abortion2.htm

and

http://pollingreport.com/guns.htm

Granny Godzilla

October 18th, 2011
12:37 pm

Peeps are best about 2 days stale…..

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
12:37 pm

I find no redeeming social value to Peeps.

Paul

October 18th, 2011
12:37 pm

“I’m at a loss to explain that sudden shift in sentiment, because I have no idea what outside force might be driving it.”

I’ll guess more people are aware the billions we’ve spent on the War on Drugs has shown diddly for results.

I’d guess people think it’s time to stop spending more money on trying to prevent what they see as a low-level item, compared to hard drugs.

If Bosch would come up with a t-shirt that says “Tax the Potheads” we’d have legalization in no time.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
12:38 pm

USinUK — this is my favorite Peep diorama. I think it’s from 2008, and USMC and Scout should enjoy it too, based on the subject matter. The theme for the year’s competition was Hollywood Movies, and my favorite is based on Full Metal Jacket.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/peeps-show-ii/2008/03/20/AFyo2EPD_gallery.html#photo=10

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
12:38 pm

Doesn’t Ben n Jerry’s make a, “Setiva Swirl”?

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
12:41 pm

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
12:42 pm

and saw a sheriff explain that the current marijuana was not the same as the weed of the 60s and 70s. Percentage of THC had risen on average, from 1-2% to 7-10%.

And this D.A.R.E. factoid was followed by a screening of “Reefer Madness?”

I wouldn’t trust law enforcement “facts” like this any more than a forwarded e-mail. It’s pot. Geez.

If the sheriff is worried about Killer Pot, he’d be in favor of legalization. Smugglers work hard to increase the potency of drugs so they can ship more in smaller batches. Look at cocaine—for thousands of years it was a mild stimulant like coffee, people chewed the leaves and got a small dose. But who wants to smuggle 10,000 lbs of leaves? Once they extracted it, the pure stuff, like caffeine pills, is far more dangerous and deadly.

TaxPayer

October 18th, 2011
12:42 pm

Just say no to drugs and abstain from sex and be happy working for the trickle down from the one percent. It’s the Republican way. No wonder they want legalized alcohol.

Finn McCool

October 18th, 2011
12:44 pm

I think Jay made a blog about marijuana cause he is in cahoots with federal agents. He is culling the pro-pot people from the anti-pot people and will deliver the email addresses to the feds for subsequesnt arrests.

Oh no, man, It’s a conspiracy….wow, I need to slow down on this stuff

Paddy O

October 18th, 2011
12:45 pm

DARE – if you were a illegal drug user, you would probably sponsor this police program as a GREAT way to get the word out throughout the nation about the product you sell.

Granny Godzilla

October 18th, 2011
12:45 pm

“I know the Koch Brothers. The Koch Brothers helped to start to an organization called Americans for Prosperity. And I did some speaking when they were starting that organization, and I’m very proud of the relationship that I have with the Koch Brothers, as well as Americans for Prosperity. I have also attended some of their seminars and have found them very informative. So I don’t have a close relationship with the Koch Brothers, but I know them and I respect them, and they know me and respect me.”

Herman Cain yesterday

Translated to fit the topic

“Koch Brothers are my peeps”

Mick

October 18th, 2011
12:46 pm

Medicinal marijuana is probably the best way to go; I don’t want it near the kds, keep it away from schoolyards. You need a prescription, keep it controlled and let the people grow…

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
12:46 pm

I wouldn’t trust law enforcement “facts” like this any more than a forwarded e-mail. It’s pot. Geez.

Neither would I, but it did explain what had noticed through my own experience.

Jefferson

October 18th, 2011
12:48 pm

Carter stated the laws against weed caused more problems than smoking weed causes, so to speak.

uspo

October 18th, 2011
12:48 pm

Jay Bookman 2012; It’s High Time we legalize pot!

bwa

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
12:51 pm

Miss the days of growing your own Maui Wowie. Plants used to thrive in Hawaii and harvest time was a hoot.

uspo

October 18th, 2011
12:52 pm

Oh let’s face it: pot turns the smoker into a moron. What came first? The dope or the dope? It’s a chicken and egg thing.

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
12:53 pm

I am no Peep fan, but I do love this Peep photo montages (??sp) USinUK posts.

And geez pot being illegal is just as stupid as not being able to buy booze on Sundays. The arguments to keep both as is are completely without logic.

Mick

October 18th, 2011
12:53 pm

yaker

Who knew? That’s downright respectable :)

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
12:55 pm

kayaker was a pothead?? Well they do say it kills brain cells– I kid !!

:)

Mick

October 18th, 2011
12:56 pm

bosch

I think you got that bas ackwards – weed modifies brain cells, alcohol destroys them…

Go No Go

October 18th, 2011
12:57 pm

Just pulled a big one in honor of the poll. Oh, and I never exhaled. Mmmmm.

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
12:57 pm

And people who are against it have obviously never smoked it. I’d rather my kids smoke a joint than do tequila shots-ya’ know if they gotta chose to alter their minds.

Paul

October 18th, 2011
12:58 pm

Granny

Sounds like a guy telling his wife “that prostitute? Only thing I know is she’s on that streetcorner every day when I walk to my car from work….”

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
1:00 pm

Mick

Oh yeah true, I always preferred reefer to the drink- less headache, but damn it makes you thirsty!

AmVet

October 18th, 2011
1:00 pm

Don’t Tread, were your grandparents in Reefer Madness?

And Union! You used the T word!!!!

Watch out, they’re gonna throw you out of the GOP…

Go No Go

October 18th, 2011
1:04 pm

Funny how republicans and conservatives who claim to abhor government intervention are the ones most in favor of this government intervention.

BADA BING

October 18th, 2011
1:05 pm

Why stop at the US? Shouldn’t the World have access? Who is going to supply the poor people Cheetos? Do the masses in India have Grateful Dead albums available? Is there enough tie-dye to meet demand in the Sudan? Think people.

USinUK

October 18th, 2011
1:05 pm

oh, yeah! I loves me some WaPo Peep Show!!

:-)

[...] Support Legal Marijuana—Is the Drug War Almost Over?The AtlanticPatch.com -CBS News -Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog)all 491 news [...]

WOODSTOCK MIKE

October 18th, 2011
1:07 pm

I smoke pot, any reasonable amount should be legal, much safer to smoke pot than get drunk.

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
1:07 pm

USinUK

Just think how funny those pictures would be after a few tokes!!!!

Libertarian

October 18th, 2011
1:08 pm

If legalized, I don’t think we should decrease law enforcement. But hopefully they could focus more of their efforts on catching the violent criminals.

Go No Go

October 18th, 2011
1:09 pm

bada bing – you been smoking too much; way too much; pot is widely available and very tolerated in india; the sudanese, given their religion, wouldn’t be interested in it if given free.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

October 18th, 2011
1:09 pm

Here’s a good article for Democrats to read. See, if Democrats really had their way the US would be like Greece. A system that promotes laziness.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44944435

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
1:09 pm

Uh oh, Mike’s coming clean. :D

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
1:10 pm

Mike, FWIW, the Greek system is rife with tax cheats.

USinUK

October 18th, 2011
1:10 pm

Bosch – I hate to be the downer here, but I never liked the stuff. Tried it a couple of times and really enjoyed myself for about 5 minutes before I would crash out and nap.

Now, the interesting thing is that I knew people who had ADD and smoked pot so that it would help them focus.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

October 18th, 2011
1:10 pm

The only conservatives against legalization are the old people. 50 and up. Younger conservatives smoke plenty.

Jerome Horwitz

October 18th, 2011
1:10 pm

DARE – drugs are real expensive. It’s about time for pot legalization. Would that make my 1979 conviction for holding a joint expunged?

Matti's Encouragement

October 18th, 2011
1:11 pm

The decriminalization of weed might well be what brings us together as a people! Think about it. I disagree with Mr. Woodstock Mike most of the time, but if we could agree on that (and sit around in a discussion circle) then maybe we could learn to get along and solve our problems for a change, instead of the constant bickering. Maybe? Sharing deep thoughts and a pizza would have to be more effective than vilifying each other on a blog, right?

WOODSTOCK MIKE

October 18th, 2011
1:12 pm

“Mike, FWIW, the Greek system is rife with tax cheats”

My point is Greece is a clear example of the dangers of national deficits. Everything is cool when the money is pouring in but when you slow growth as we do now it can become a major issue. Seems like liberals don’t think Greece is actually happenning??

Mick

October 18th, 2011
1:12 pm

Maybe one of these strugglin candidates should throw caution to the wind and run under the weed banner. Not only will you snag crossovers but you might even be able to reel in those pesky independents…

USinUK

October 18th, 2011
1:12 pm

“if Democrats really had their way”

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, someone needs to pass the joint to mike …

mm

October 18th, 2011
1:13 pm

Pot only helps the cops with their arrest quotas, not to mention the jerk judges sending people to “for profit” prisons.

Granny Godzilla

October 18th, 2011
1:13 pm

Boy, we need to have our bloggers meet up at Woodstock Mikes.

I’ll bring the cupcakes and a DVD of Fantasia.

Jefferson

October 18th, 2011
1:13 pm

The GOP ran up the deficit, the current admin just didn’t stop the spending.

USinUK

October 18th, 2011
1:14 pm

“Everything is cool when the money is pouring in but when you slow growth as we do now it can become a major issue. Seems like liberals don’t think Greece is actually happenning??”

ohfercryingoutloud – the reason growth is slowing is government cut-backs … that’s a lesson that the GOP needs to learn, not the Dems

oy.

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
1:14 pm

BADA BING

October 18th, 2011
1:14 pm

If pot is legalized, you will be giving 7-11s too much control over our lives. They have already cornered the Slurpee, 4 Loco, Red Bull, rolling paper, and p*n*s enlargement pill market. Hell, I can hardly see the counter now, when I buy my Lotto tickets.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
1:14 pm

Mike — “My point is Greece is a clear example of the dangers of national deficits.”

You’ve seen my idea for holding down government spending and accelerating the retirement of our national debt. Do you think that’s the nugget of a good idea?

WOODSTOCK MIKE

October 18th, 2011
1:14 pm

I know what will bring liberals and conservative together!!

Lots of weed smoking.

USinUK

October 18th, 2011
1:15 pm

GG – I don’t think I’d want to see Night on Bald Mountain in an “alternative frame of mind”

The Wall was weird enough, thank you

Mick

October 18th, 2011
1:16 pm

woodstock

Take a few tokes then ponder, we are not like greece. That is your mantra because we have our own currency, a very popular currency, therefore, we are not like greece….

USinUK

October 18th, 2011
1:17 pm

Mick – and don’t forget, the US has a FAR more diverse economy – we’re more than just tourism

Jm

October 18th, 2011
1:17 pm

What will Obama do with all his free time in 2012?

What do you think his charity work will include?

Granny Godzilla

October 18th, 2011
1:19 pm

USinUK

but the dancing mops and buckets are waaaay cool

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
1:19 pm

Matti’s Encouragement

October 18th, 2011
1:11 pm
The decriminalization of weed might well be what brings us together as a people! Think about it. I disagree with Mr. Woodstock Mike most of the time, but if we could agree on that (and sit around in a discussion circle) then maybe we could learn to get along and solve our problems for a change, instead of the constant bickering. Maybe? Sharing deep thoughts and a pizza would have to be more effective than vilifying each other on a blog, right?

I’m sooooo there, and I’ll bring a fat sack:-)

Super Silver Haze

October 18th, 2011
1:19 pm

take a hit of that and get back to me why you want to keep it illegal.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
1:20 pm

Mick — “we have our own currency, a very popular currency, therefore, we are not like greece….”

The Euro isn’t popular?

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
1:20 pm

the reason growth is slowing is government cut-backs

Austerity is stupid. Pass it on.

Mick

October 18th, 2011
1:20 pm

usinuk

Yes, not to mention agriculture and on and on, but hey this grease business gets to be a pretty slippery slope for far too many…

Mick

October 18th, 2011
1:22 pm

joe

Can greece manipulate the euro? Can the US print more dollars? One of the advantages of having your own currency…

Normal

October 18th, 2011
1:22 pm

Jm

October 18th, 2011
1:23 pm

Nice column by David Brooks today

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
1:24 pm

Jack

October 18th, 2011
1:25 pm

I suppose Bookman would have us release all those in prison for pot use and pot distribution. Why not? It makes as much sense as legalizing pot.

Jm

October 18th, 2011
1:26 pm

Mick 1:22

Your flippant consideration of money printing reveals a high level of ignorance

Seriously

Bruno

October 18th, 2011
1:26 pm

Jay–I challenged you yesterday to lay off the Republican ridicule for a minute and put some solutions to our problems out there. Good job in that regard. A substantial part of our budget crisis could be solved by legalizing and taxing both marijuana and online poker.

The problem with Cain is that he clearly had no definition at all in mind. Under his personal internal dictionary, there was only a blank space next to the word “neoconservative.” And again, that should not be true of anyone with ambitions of being leader of the free world.

I did humor you and watch the Herman Cain clip provided and strongly disagree with your characterization that Herman Cain was “befuddled” by David Gregory’s question. Herman simply didn’t allow Gregory to force him into adopting a label which had no meaning to him. In your mind, that provided the “gotcha” moment you so long for, but for me it had the opposite effect. I now have more respect for Cain for holding his ground and asking for a clarification. When Gregory was unable to provide one, Cain had no further obligation to answer the question in the context in which it was asked. In fact, Herman did attempt to answer the question by tossing out the label which he identifies with: a conservative. Sorry that wasn’t good enough for you, but it doesn’t disqualify him as a candidate.

I still hope that you and your crew here reevaluate the proper place for ridicule as part of general discussion. Obviously some people deserve ridicule, but when it becomes part of nearly every statement, it only makes the speaker look bad in my opinion. (You listening, USinUK?) We’ve got some serious problems facing our country, and your attempts to marginalize nearly half of the population through ridicule and constant disrespect isn’t solving any of those problems. Ditto for the insulting “cons” here. Let’s grow up and try to work together for a while.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
1:28 pm

G. Incognito — “I’ll bring a fat sack”

Dood, nobody cares about the size of your junk. :D

WOODSTOCK MIKE

October 18th, 2011
1:28 pm

“You’ve seen my idea for holding down government spending and accelerating the retirement of our national debt. Do you think that’s the nugget of a good idea?”

I would say that it’s very clear when you have so many government programs and agencies that must be paid for it creates a major problem if recession occurs as it has across the world. Of course certain agencies are vital but I think you would agree there are many that aren’t vital at all. Greece makes it very clear to what can happen when you’re on an unsustainable path. Look at how the other countries are turning their backs on them to save themselves. This also promotes a society to blame the government for all their problems as we are starting to see in the US, especially from the left.

Jm

October 18th, 2011
1:28 pm

Is anyone still in woodruff?

I can’t find any news on it.

Apparently no one cares.

Just curious myself

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
1:28 pm

Mick — OIC

WOODSTOCK MIKE

October 18th, 2011
1:29 pm

My father makes a great point, once you create a government agency, it’s very difficult to ever get rid of it.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
1:30 pm

Mike @ 1:28 — That’s kind of a non-answer. Would you like for me to restate my idea?

MightyRighty

October 18th, 2011
1:32 pm

I favor legalization of Marijuana so long as it is controlled the same as alcohol. Funny how the “liberal” East has the lowest approval percentage.

Jm

October 18th, 2011
1:33 pm

Mick you’re in over your head

Stop digging

Jay

October 18th, 2011
1:33 pm

I was just down there, jm. Maybe 70 tents there, still a thriving scene.

Mick

October 18th, 2011
1:36 pm

jm

How’s about if I flippant you off? Just making a point, not acting on it….chill

Joe the Plutocrat, paleo-neo-Carlinst and Hall Monitor

October 18th, 2011
1:36 pm

Bruno, are you familiar with military radio-speak? Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot? when did you become the referee in terms of when ridicule is appropriate, and when it “makes the speaker look bad”? and spare us the “in my opinion” disclaimer; ALL BLOG POSTS ORIGINATE FROM ONE’S OPINION. so here’s a memo; ANYTIME Herman Cain opens his mouth, he is worthy of ridicule.

willydoit?

October 18th, 2011
1:36 pm

Jay, I think you’ve finally hit on a subject that most everyone that reads your columns can agree on…legalize it!!

Thomas

October 18th, 2011
1:36 pm

Absolutely- when I got so tired of morphine during cancer the alternative was another opiate- percocet. What I and others gravely needed was marijuana- pain killer, easy on the stomach, natural, and non addictve.

Rogue!

October 18th, 2011
1:37 pm

legalize so I can get some higher quality stuff. My girlfriend smokes all my good weed when I’m not around.

WhoCares

October 18th, 2011
1:37 pm

The Billion Dollar Crop and it’s history……

“Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica.” – Abraham Lincoln (from a letter written by Lincoln during his presidency to the head of the Hohner Harmonica Company in Germany)

“Hemp is of first necessity to the wealth & protection of the country.”
- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President

“Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere.”
- George Washington, U.S. President

“We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption.”
- John Adams, U.S. President

“The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this.” – Albert Einstein quote on Hemp

“An entire family was murdered by a youthful addict in Florida. When officers arrived at the home, they found the youth staggering about in a human slaughterhouse. With an axe he had killed his father, mother, two brothers, and a sister. He seemed to be in a daze… He had no recollection of having committed the multiple crime. The officers knew him ordinarily as a sane, rather quiet young man; now he was pitifully crazed. They sought the reason. The boy said that he had been in the habit of smoking something which youthful friends called “muggles,” a childish name for marijuana.” William R Hearst.

“By the tons it is coming into this country, the deadly, dreadful poison that racks and tears not only the body, but the very heart and soul of every human being who once becomes a slave to it in any of its cruel and devastating forms…. Marihuana is a short cut to the insane asylum. Smoke marihuana cigarettes for a month and what was once your brain will be nothing but a storehouse of horrid specters. Hasheesh makes a murderer who kills for the love of killing out of the mildest mannered man who ever laughed at the idea that any habit could ever get him….” William R Hearst

“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.” Harry Anslinger FBN

“Colored students at the Univ. of Minn. partying with (white) female students, smoking [marijuana] and getting their sympathy with stories of racial persecution. Result: pregnancy” Harry Anslinger FBN

“Two Negros took a girl fourteen years old and kept her for two days under the influence of hemp. Upon recovery she was found to be suffering from syphilis.” Harry Anslinger FBN

Inadvertently, Popular Mechanics Feb 1938 “The New Billion Dollar Crop” tells a different yet familiar story, a story where “timber for paper” would be eliminated over night:
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/history/newbilln.htm

vinny

October 18th, 2011
1:38 pm

As soon as it becomes legal, the libs will be demanding free pot at taxpayer expense as a “right”

Matthew

October 18th, 2011
1:40 pm

“I was just down there, jm. Maybe 70 tents there, still a thriving scene.”

Yeah, they’re thriving all right – They are stealing from other Occutards. Isn’t that ironic? A bunch of moochers that want a free lunch stealing from each other. Gotta love it.

willydoit?

October 18th, 2011
1:40 pm

Hey Rogue!
You might want to put that special app on her IPhone…I think she is smoking it with your best friend!!!

Mick

October 18th, 2011
1:40 pm

vinny

Nah, they’ll be able to grow for free; yours and mines favorite price…

USMC

October 18th, 2011
1:42 pm

“As soon as it becomes legal, the libs will be demanding free pot at taxpayer expense as a “right””

LOL! I think Jessie Jackson JUNIOR has already added that RIGHT to his new “Social Justice” constitution that he has created to replace our original copy. :-)

TBone

October 18th, 2011
1:42 pm

Not that one can believe any poll nowadays. Let me preface that I don’t smoke the weed no more but alot of folks do I guess so why not let those folks grow a few plants so the Mexican drug cartel can go to hell. People think this is a victimless crime and nobody gets hurt; BS go down to the border and look at the slaughter taking place over the drug money.

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
1:43 pm

“Now, the interesting thing is that I knew people who had ADD and smoked pot so that it would help them focus.”

USinUK, let me introduce you to Bosch, Bosch, USinUK. :)

Butch Cassidy

October 18th, 2011
1:43 pm

So we’re all in consensus, the candidate that promises the legalization of Weed will be the next POTUS. I like it! :)

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
1:46 pm

Nice column by David Brooks today

ok, odds that it’s gonna suck elephant dingle berries?

where’s that infinity sign when I need it…

Jm

October 18th, 2011
1:47 pm

Jay 1:35

Good for them. Glad they’re staying civil but the mayor is going to have real problems in the future because of this. Will they be paying the city re-sodding costs? :)

I’m glad I don’t still live in the muses lofts. I’d be tempted to poop on a tent.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
1:48 pm

We get a SS increase so I can buy some weed :)

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
1:48 pm

Misty Fyed

October 18th, 2011
1:50 pm

Hey Great. I think Obama should make that part of his platform for 2012.

Liberal Parrot

October 18th, 2011
1:50 pm

“How’s about if I flippant you off?”

You know you’ve lost an argument when….

Lame…..

Live Free or Die

October 18th, 2011
1:51 pm

Ron Paul is the only candidate who supports pot being legal.

Take our country back from the unconstitutional idiots,

Matti's Encouragement

October 18th, 2011
1:52 pm

Bruno: “A substantial part of our budget crisis could be solved by legalizing and taxing both marijuana and online poker.”

BartCop echoes these sentiments almost daily. I dare you to visit his page for two weeks. As for the new-found abhorrence for ridicule… Dude… It’s time to twist one and chill, doncha think? There are at least a dozen regulars here who remember how well you’ve dished it in the past. You sound like somebody who smoked a pack a day for 20 years, quit last month, and now lectures every smoker you see. (UGH!) More example; less judgement, please!

HDB

October 18th, 2011
1:52 pm

TBone
October 18th, 2011
1:42 pm

The reason FOR the violence at the border is the ILLEGALITY of drugs in the nation, the appetite for them…and the PROFIT! Take away the illegal nature of the drug trade, those cartels could be effectively monitored, the profit motive still in place…and a decrease in violence!!

Legalization should’ve taken place YEARS ago!!

getalife

October 18th, 2011
1:52 pm

Legalize it to calm the masses.

Also, legalize Cuban cigars and I want to shop for weed, liquor and cigars at one place.

It will boost the local economies.

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
1:54 pm

Ok, I read Brooks’ column (if by “column,” you mean, “bland faux intellectual insights masking a deep desire by a rich nerd to be accepted by the cool kids” — h/t Rude Pundit).

It contains this Freedom Nugget:

Quietly but decisively, Americans are trying to restore the moral norms that undergird our economic system.

then he goes on to state:

America went through a similar values restoration in the 1820s.

David’s sense of fashion was around in the 1820s, so I guess he knows whereof he speaketh.

Vincent Von Dudler

October 18th, 2011
1:54 pm

This two part plan is the only action the citizens of the US need to take to end federal marijuana prohibition
1) EVERYONE that sees these links sign up at both sites and weigh in on the debate
- pvox.co/CdiFqY
- wh.gov/gDQ
2) Propagate those two links and ensure that everyone that sees them go to both those sites.

Too many people are blaming the President for enforcing the federal marijuana prohibition. Contact Congress (the LEGISLATIVE branch [that's the important one when it comes to law]) via the first link. Contact Obama (the EXECUTIVE branch [until Obama vetos a passed H.R. 2306 it's on Congress - but tell Obama anyway]) via the second link. It really is THAT easy. Participate in democracy!

jconservative

October 18th, 2011
1:54 pm

The surprising number in the poll for me was Independents supporting legalization by 57%.

If this is the same “Independents” who usually decide presidential elections the Republicans may want to be real thoughtful, as opposed to knee jerk, about who they nominate.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
1:55 pm

Matti — “There are at least a dozen regulars here who remember how well you’ve dished it in the past.”

Indeed. I’ve only spoken with you twice before, but your intemperate and condescending behavior on our first meeting left quite a bad taste in my mouth, Bruno.

Maybe you’d consider setting the example before declaiming so emphatically on the topic of others’ behavior.

Ron Paul 2012

October 18th, 2011
2:00 pm

`
Ron Paul agrees with the majority of Americans that pot should be legal.

Thomas

October 18th, 2011
2:01 pm

But in keeping with my neocon thoughts and tendencies marijuana may also solve the defective gene issue that causes folks to be gay as well as reduce the negative impact blacks face by having that extra calf muscle that Jimmy the Greek pointed out.

Logical Dude

October 18th, 2011
2:02 pm

A few reasons:
1) similar to alcohol, which is legal, and prohibition was attempted and was an utter failure. Lesson is slow to be learned for other drugs. (which should still be legal, but much more limited)
2) War on drugs is a failure. Tossing people in jail for just wanting to get buzzed is downright stupid. The last three presidents have said to have participated in the use of marijuana.
3) It DOES have medicinal qualities that do work. It appeases nausea in cancer patients (who undergo chemotherapy) to allow them to eat. Regular drugs that do this have many more side effects than marijuana.

Just #3 does it for me (and those who I know who had cancer).

Dude, just legalize it already.

Jm

October 18th, 2011
2:02 pm

Jay. I assume you talked to them when you went down there.

Care to describe it?

A motley crew with no unifying theme?

Just a bunch of disaffected unemployed youth?

People who just think wall street got bailed out and they got screwed?

None of the above?

FrankLeeDarling

October 18th, 2011
2:03 pm

GOP candidate Gary Johnson supports legalization

USMC

October 18th, 2011
2:04 pm

“But in keeping with my neocon thoughts and tendencies marijuana may also solve the defective gene issue that causes folks to be gay as well as reduce the negative impact blacks face by having that extra calf muscle that Jimmy the Greek pointed out.”—Thomas

LOL! Thomas, was just uncalled for! :-)

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
2:04 pm

Joe Mammy,

And thanks to a green thumb, that sack is bottomless too

Think of the tax $$$$$ saved in not arresting some 17 year old kid for a joint. Or in the case of a number of professionals that I know with slight hick-ups on their records, there would no longer be a fear from job applications

Adam

October 18th, 2011
2:05 pm

Ok, seriously, if we were “like Greece” we would have much more encompassing social programs and we’d have defaulted on our debt already.

USMC

October 18th, 2011
2:05 pm

Great questions JM… I’d like to hear Jay articulate the “Occupy” crowd’s demands. :-)
(with a straight face)

Mick

October 18th, 2011
2:07 pm

liberal parrot

What argument was there to be lost? Nothing, now go parrot that…

CobbGOPer

October 18th, 2011
2:08 pm

I’m in the Republican ‘legalize it’ or ‘at least decriminalize it’ minority.

Jm

October 18th, 2011
2:08 pm

Usmc

My view of occupy Atlanta is a bunch of suburban yuppie hippies

But that view is through the lens of the Internet all the way from FL

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
2:08 pm

Well, now we know what jm thinks of these protestors.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
2:09 pm

G. Incognito — “Think of the tax $$$$$ saved in not arresting some 17 year old kid for a joint. Or in the case of a number of professionals that I know with slight hick-ups on their records, there would no longer be a fear from job applications”

Relax. I’m on your side.

Joe the Plutocrat, paleo-neo-Carlinst and Hall Monitor

October 18th, 2011
2:09 pm

actually, Vinny; it is as easy to grow as tomatoes; which is one of the reasons it is NOT legal (could tax the seeds). that said, I suspect 75% or more of consumers will buy it at the retail level; so the folks to whom you refer will simply put it on their EBT tab.

USMC

October 18th, 2011
2:09 pm

Legalize drugs and you CRUSH the Drug Cartels!
(see prohibition)

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
2:11 pm

CobbGOP

Join us Libertarians. All the fiscal responsibility with none of the social can’t-win-debates

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
2:12 pm

Joe M

I knew you were. The sack comment was for you. The rest of the argument was just blog fodder

Jm

October 18th, 2011
2:13 pm

Adam

Give it 10 years. Maybe less

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
2:14 pm

Just so it’s clear, I do get that there are Column 4 / Row 4 and Row 5 types out there among us.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
2:15 pm

TaxPayer

October 18th, 2011
2:16 pm

I hear Florida has its own Occupy crowds. Jm should attend and report back.

Mick

October 18th, 2011
2:16 pm

Bruno

October 18th, 2011
2:16 pm

More example; less judgement, please!

Will do, Matti. Feel free to keep me straight anytime!!

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
2:17 pm

stands,

Don’t you mean, row 5 and 6??

Sam the Sham

October 18th, 2011
2:17 pm

I wonder if they could grow Marijuana in China or India since they are about the only producers of ANYTHING that Americans buy.

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
2:18 pm

A substantial part of our budget crisis could be solved by legalizing and taxing both marijuana and online poker.
well no, actually , it wouldn’t. It’d be a teensy tiny part of it. Let’s not get carried away.

There are good reasons to decriminalize the softer recreational drugs and, I guess, some online gambling. But making a massive dent in our revenue shortfalls isn’t one of them.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 18th, 2011
2:18 pm

Gallup: The majority of voters disapprove of President Obama. 38% approve-54% disapprove.

Matti's Encouragement

October 18th, 2011
2:19 pm

stands,

GOOD one!

getalife

October 18th, 2011
2:19 pm

Free the weed to increase revenue.

Even the cons agree.

Just say yes.

Joe the Plutocrat, paleo-neo-Carlinst and Hall Monitor

October 18th, 2011
2:20 pm

folks, as has been noted, we are talking about a plant that has been consumed since the first days of the Republic. it was only made illegal (20th century) in an effort to “criminalize” the behaviors of certain groups (that would be non-whites; including Hispanics and of course negroes). it’s a plant, that when smoked, makes people happy and somewhat goofy; lord knows it is a threat to the Republic.

uspo

October 18th, 2011
2:20 pm

Pot already grows nearly everywhere by itself. You morons just don’t know where to look. It’s out there in the fields off all of the I’s. There are pot gardens in nature, man. And they’ve been around since Adam and Eve.

Remember, the female plants are susceptible to snakes………come with me to Eden, my fine friends, I have garden I want you to occupy………”ADAM!” (oh sheet, it’s god. damn. uh, yes, kind Sir)……”Why have you smoked the buds off the one plant I warned you not to smoke of?”……(how the F did you know?)……”How about Eve got the munchies and ate from the one plant I warned her not to eat of???”……(EVE!)……”Now. Get. OUT!!!” (hey, your god is bogue, man….”oh STFU”…)

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
2:20 pm

stands,

Don’t you mean, row 5 and 6??

no! I meant 4 and 5, dammit, and it would be a sign of WEAKNESS to admit I got it rongg so there!

/gooper faithful

Jm

October 18th, 2011
2:20 pm

Mick

Mildly funny

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
2:21 pm

Sam the Sham

October 18th, 2011
2:17 pm
I wonder if they could grow Marijuana in China or India since they are about the only producers of ANYTHING that Americans buy.

They do Sam, but 30 min after smoking it, you want to smoke some more

philosopher

October 18th, 2011
2:21 pm

jm could really, really use a toke or two…

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
2:22 pm

Gallup: The majority of voters disapprove of President Obama. 38% approve-54% disapprove.

well, Del, all you gots to do is field a viable candidate and you’ll beat him like a yard dog.

oh, wait…

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
2:22 pm

Del,

So? He’s still beating all the GOP candidates in a one on one match up. When are you wingnuts going to realize approval ratings do not equal who you are gonna vote for?

What am I thinking, a wingnut using logic?

getalife

October 18th, 2011
2:22 pm

“I hear Florida has its own Occupy crowds. Jm should attend and report back”

cons don’t have the guts to spew face to face with protesters.

Don't Forget

October 18th, 2011
2:23 pm

Isn’t the republican mantra ” if you want to discourage something, tax it” ?

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
2:23 pm

stands,

Get out of my head (h/t to you of course).

Mick

October 18th, 2011
2:23 pm

jm

Well, at least you have some humor, I find it sarcastically funny…

carlosgvv

October 18th, 2011
2:23 pm

I’ve never smoked pot so I have a question. If you’re hight on pot and drive, is this as dangerous as driving drunk? If so, why would anyone want to legalize another substance which would result is still more traffic deaths?

Guy Incognito

October 18th, 2011
2:24 pm

And now, a legalize Haiku

Wasted tax dollars.
Incarceration, no sense.
legalize it Now!

Normal

October 18th, 2011
2:24 pm

India has the best pot grown by God! You know, if pot IS made legal,
world peace would prevail! Who would want to fight and ruin a good buzz?

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
2:24 pm

Anyone else notice the 9 point gender gap?

Maybe it’s because the old biddies live so long…

(ducking and running.)

philosopher

October 18th, 2011
2:25 pm

Thanks, Jay- I swear this blog has never been as fun as it is today- Inow if you just pass around some brownies, the few remaining angry heads will cool down and we’ll all laugh the rest of the day away!

Jm

October 18th, 2011
2:25 pm

Mick. – herb streit was funnier

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
2:25 pm

getalife,

“cons don’t have the guts to spew face to face with protesters”

I’ve always found it rather cowardly of those amongst us who gripe and bitch about the welfare queens, why they don’t affront them in line at the grocery store. Cowards indeed.

philosopher

October 18th, 2011
2:26 pm

Now- sorry- laughing so much I can’t type well-

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
2:27 pm

“If you’re hight on pot and drive, is this as dangerous as driving drunk?”

Yes, but I don’t know too many people who get high and want to drive around.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 18th, 2011
2:28 pm

stands,

If those head to head polls hold up after the R’s nominate their candidate the Dem’s can wipe a lot of sweat from their brow. For now I don’t believe the DNC shares your comfort level.

Jm

October 18th, 2011
2:29 pm

Getalife

Sure we do. But not for a 1 hour drive

Besides. Why argue? It will be as successful as talking to stubborn liberals here.

philosopher

October 18th, 2011
2:29 pm

It’s probably really no less dangerous than an octogenarian driving- too slow and reflexes in slow motion.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
2:29 pm

Jm: 10 years for us to get on board with the rest of the industrialized world and have more encompassing social programs? I can dig it.

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
2:29 pm

carlosgvv,

And the people who do drive around stoned – are doing it now. Legalizing it or not has nothing to do with it.

TaxPayer

October 18th, 2011
2:29 pm

Wasted tax dollars.
Incarceration, no sense.
legalize it Now!

Or this version:

Wasted tax dollars.
Incineration, no sense.
legalize it Now!

philosopher

October 18th, 2011
2:29 pm

I mean no more dangerous-

getalife

October 18th, 2011
2:30 pm

Bosch,

The only time I have see cons voice their opinions face to face was at WalMart for the high costs of drugs.

Ben James

October 18th, 2011
2:30 pm

Zero deaths from pot use in the history of the planet, Zero, none, not one. The safest of all recreational drugs, much safer the alcohol or tobacco that both KILL thousands of people in the US every year and yet pot it is still illegal. You can buy pot products galore (pipes, water pipes, vaporizers, rolling papers) on Amazon.com (I recommend the Arizer Extreme vaporizer, pure heaven Amazon for $160) but it’s still not legal???? Everything about pot use is mainstream except the law.

stands for decibels

October 18th, 2011
2:32 pm

For now I don’t believe the DNC shares your comfort level.

What comfort level? I expect Romney to give Obama a decent run for the money. I just don’t think his chances of winning are anything like what one might expect from those lopsided numbers you’d posted, is all.

TaxPayer

October 18th, 2011
2:33 pm

Don't Forget

October 18th, 2011
2:34 pm

The prison industry is not amused.

Don't Forget

October 18th, 2011
2:35 pm

They should ask the candidates about this at the debate.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 18th, 2011
2:35 pm

“I just don’t think his chances of winning are anything like what one might expect from those lopsided numbers you’d posted, is all.”

You can blame Gallup for the numbers. I’m not in the polling business I only read them.

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
2:35 pm

Bosch,

Rasmussen today…… Bozo 43%/Romney 42%

Cain 45%/Bozo 41%

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
2:36 pm

If marijuana was legal to grow and smoke, the price would go to practically nothing. I think it would be exceedingly difficult to tax it. Of course, that could be remedied by requiring a permit to grow it and paying a tax on the finished product.

Before you ask, I don’t smoke — anything.

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
2:36 pm

Ben James,

While I agree with your sentiments, I don’t think you can say that there have been zero deaths from pot use.

My daughter did a report on why pot should be legalized in school the other day and she was going to use that little tidbit, but I wouldn’t let her because she couldn’t find a source to show that as fact — I helped her look of course, but we didn’t find anything.

I think there is probably someone who has died from some every little thing — but, again, other than that opening factoid, you are preaching to the choir.

Jm

October 18th, 2011
2:37 pm

Had a looooong discussion with my liberal friends at trackside Saturday night.

They’re more rational than OWS

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
2:37 pm

kayaker,

Those are pretty good numbers for Obama considering the source: Rasmussen, so what’s your point other than your poll is about as credible as you are considering you hate the man so much you can’t even spell out his name?

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 18th, 2011
2:37 pm

The Huffington Post, now there’s a fair and balanced publication.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
2:38 pm

“Had a looooong discussion with my liberal friends at trackside Saturday night.”

You’re kidding me, right? You have liberal friends? I can’t believe it!

getalife

October 18th, 2011
2:39 pm

del,

The same stories you read at drudgey are at the HP.

They just spin the titles left and drudgey spins them right.

Matti's Encouragement

October 18th, 2011
2:39 pm

Joe the Plutocrat,

While social prejudices were one “perk” of criminalization, if we FOLLOW THE MONEY, we see much more of the picture. The DuPont petrochemical company and William Randolph Hearst were instrumental in bringing about this prohibition, and — surprise, surprise! — they also profited greatly when consumption of THEIR products skyrocketed as a result of removing hemp-based products from the market.

Tyranny almost always has a profit motive. Lies are but one tool that makes it possible.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
2:40 pm

jm,

Did they laugh at you like we do?

Jm

October 18th, 2011
2:40 pm

Soothsayer

Believe it :)

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
2:41 pm

Will wonders never cease!

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
2:41 pm

In it’s ever growing wisdom and vision, it was announced today that the DOJ is opening a hot line for illegals to call if they feel they have a discrimination claim……. Persons who are in this country illegally being aided by our DOJ who is supposed to uphold our laws and protect our borders. I have lost all faith in Holder and his stable of clowns who export guns to drug cartels, protect criminals and refuse to prosecute black criminals. Department of Justice?…… what a joke.

Mick

October 18th, 2011
2:43 pm

jm

I have some millionaire friends and they admit that even though they don’t want to pay more taxes, it wouldn’t amount to a ding in their rolls…

Jm

October 18th, 2011
2:43 pm

Getalife

No. They said OWS should get out of the park. They’re not doing anything and just going to cost the city a lot of $ to fix the park.

They also had a more reasonable view if bankers and wall st. They’re “southern flavored liberals”. Ie, not loco like you. :)

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 18th, 2011
2:44 pm

kayaker 71,

Obummer is clearly worried and his desperation shows when he disguises a campaign road show as a trip to promote his jobs bill. I guess by not spelling out his name, I’m now considered a hater. BTW…I wonder if whoever stole his equipment truck also got his teleprompter.

Jm

October 18th, 2011
2:45 pm

Mick

Most very rich folks are willing to pay more taxes, as I read it

However, that presumes it is part of deficit reduction and not just more spending, and that taxes go up in everyone to fix the situation

Very different than obama’s plans

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
2:45 pm

No Del, I consider you a hater because of the ridiculous things you write about the President, most stuff that isn’t even true.

TaxPayer

October 18th, 2011
2:46 pm

The Huffington Post, now there’s a fair and balanced publication.

Yup. And much more so than that FOXY So-Called News channel’s trashy talk.

carlosgvv

October 18th, 2011
2:46 pm

Bosch

Common sense tells us that if people regularly get drunk and drive, those high on pot will do the same. Your comments suggest you could not possibly care less if vehicle deaths increase due to leagilized pot. This says a number of things about you, none of them good.

an

October 18th, 2011
2:47 pm

There are about 100 million potheads in the us., let mobilize and vote Ron Paul 2012.

Don't Forget

October 18th, 2011
2:47 pm

Jay,
Any statistics on cost of enforcement? Size of market/tax revenue projections?

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
2:48 pm

carlos,

False logic. My comments didn’t say anything about what I care or care less about — it was just a statement of fact.

Yes, people who regularly smoke pot and drive do it now, legalizing it will not change that fact.

And next time you might want to stretch before making such a huge leap — wouldn’t want you to pull a hamstring.

Mick

October 18th, 2011
2:49 pm

jm

Actually, you are somewhat correct. The one thing they always want is more wealth, that’s why all that b.s. about sitting on the sidelines is laughable, if there’s a another dollar to be made – they’ll take it…

Adam

October 18th, 2011
2:49 pm

Recon: BTW…I wonder if whoever stole his equipment truck also got his teleprompter.

I wonder that too. I am especially interested to know the story of what happened to the guy when he’s caught. Should be fascinating stuff! :)

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
2:50 pm

Recon,

Meagan Kelly reported today that his teleprompter was stolen. McCain put pretty well today when he stated that the President is using taxpayer funds to campaign on his swing, including North Carolina. Bozo has done nothing but campaign lately. Interesting thing about his 37B dollar plan for teachers, firefighters and policemen….. It’s only funded for one year. Sort of like extended unemployment. Then the states have an unfunded mandate to continue funding with their own nickel. He has never mentioned this in his campaign speeches.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
2:50 pm

Common sense tells us that if people regularly get drunk and drive, those high on pot will do the same.

Sure, but pot doesn’t affect motor kills like alcohol does.

Matti's Encouragement

October 18th, 2011
2:50 pm

Soothsayer,

I have right-wing, Repub-voting friends. Some of them are seriously religious, while others are more “stock up on beans and ammo” types. The key to a good relationship there is that I don’t try to flip them. Sometimes (when drinking) they’ll want to “get into it,” but I’m an excellent diffuser. If they don’t hold the differences against me, I won’t hold it against them, which is what sets nice, decent people apart from azzhoes.

Of course I am talking about friendship, NOT intimacy! Heh… That’s a big NOPE, never again. Ever.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 18th, 2011
2:51 pm

Adam,

I think he or she could very well be an “occupier”. Either way they should be water boarded.

Mick

October 18th, 2011
2:53 pm

yaker

What about the infrastructure? Lots of construction workers need the work, which could last years. Please don’t be naive, as if the previous president didn’t do the same thing for his re election, newsflash – every president will do the same….

philosopher

October 18th, 2011
2:53 pm

UH, Oh, another one who needs a toke- just one (or two in his case) and he’d unwind for the first time in his life…bet he’d never go back.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
2:54 pm

Recon: I was thinking more a steep penalty for stealing U.S. government property, not water boarding :o

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 18th, 2011
2:56 pm

Kayacker, astute campaign strategy on the part of Obummer’s handlers. Only fund it for one year to get the teacher and first responder vote in 012 and then dump it on the state’s.

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
2:57 pm

Mick,

I’m talking about people hired by state governments to fill state jobs, not private sector types. He specifically stated that this bill is about teachers, firefighters and police officers…. it has nothing to do with construction workers. After a year, the states will be obliged to either pick up the tab for their jobs or terminate their employment.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 18th, 2011
2:58 pm

Adam, I stand corrected, you’re correct water boarding isn’t a very steep penalty.

Ron Paul 2012

October 18th, 2011
3:00 pm

George Washington
John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
Tecumseh
Abraham Lincoln
………………………….. liked the peace pipe.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
3:06 pm

jm,

They are being heard like the tea party.

Get over it and stop crying about freedom.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
3:10 pm

Sadly, our cons sound stoned but are not.

The dwell in la la land without any drugs.

Tommy Maddox

October 18th, 2011
3:10 pm

I wonder if Gallup sampled that poll from the OWS crowd?

Give me a break

October 18th, 2011
3:20 pm

What is sad about pot is that politicians don’t even want to talk about it. Yet, over 50% of the population want some discussion on it.

And, we are suppose to be a democratic state.

TaxPayer

October 18th, 2011
3:20 pm

Still no jobs bill from the Republican losers. Cantor continues to call US citizens, including war veterans and teachers and students and the jobless, a mob. Meanwhile, Boehner sits in the corner, a broken whatever. Unable to get his mob of House Republicans to do anything except whine about what Obama is doing rather than doing something themselves. They talk the talk. Not to worry though. I hear the Republicans are hardly at work talking about how to make life more unpleasant for immigrants and gays and those seeking real news, i.e., non-FOX.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
3:21 pm

“David Axelrod: ‘Ask Osama Bin Laden’ If Obama Was Prepared As President”Aol

Smoke that cons.

dre

October 18th, 2011
3:21 pm

Jay, What is your view? I really really really want to agree with you on SOMETHING…could this be it? I favor legalization. My limited (and looooong ago) experience with it puts it on par with alcohol, in moderation, but with a more fun buzz. The only issue with Herman is that with new weed, I’d pay a higher tax than if it were used :)

Toby

October 18th, 2011
3:24 pm

Pot is a health product; it should be legal, and its consumption should be encouraged. It’s not just one of the best medicines on Earth, but it’s very healthy & massively useful for industry.

Tommy Maddox

October 18th, 2011
3:25 pm

TaxPayer – “the House has passed more than a dozen bills to protect American jobs from the threat of excessive government regulations and pave the way for the private sector to put hundreds of thousands of Americans back to work.

Senate Democrats have blocked the majority of these bills.”

Give Harry a call and voice your concerns.

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
3:31 pm

Gas, grass or ass.

Nobody rides for free!

FrankLeeDarling

October 18th, 2011
3:32 pm

I worry less about people driving on pot than i do people on prescription drugs

TaxPayer

October 18th, 2011
3:35 pm

The House has not even brought Obama’s jobs bill to the floor for a vote, Tommy. The house Republicans are not interested in working on anything that helps US. They talk the talk. They whine the whine. They find fault with everything Obama. Anything to divert attention from their incompetence. The Republicans fail US.

Bandit - no speed limits

October 18th, 2011
3:38 pm

“Gallup”

Yep, Americans like to go fast.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
3:39 pm

TaxPayer, Tommy: We’ll see what they do when individual components are brought up for a vote.

godless heathen

October 18th, 2011
3:39 pm

And if pot were legalized, or at least decriminalized, the Cops would have to buy or grow their own like everybody else.

Erin Smith

October 18th, 2011
3:40 pm

I think legalizaton of marijuana is inevitable, so we should start talking about the details. I am ambivalent about legalizing it, but I am not ambivalent about marketing it. Legal marijuana should not be marketed. If advertising execs can sell Miller Light, just imagine what they could do with marijuana.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
3:42 pm

“The Republicans fail US.”

The cons will reward them for failure with their votes again.

Then they whine about our economy after rewarding the gop for obstructing fixing it.

Sick.

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
3:42 pm

godless heathen,

Good one. :lol:

Mudfoot

October 18th, 2011
3:43 pm

Carlos, Kamchak was correct when he stated that marijuana does not have the effects on motor skills that alcohol does. If you smoke so much that vision is impaired your more apt to go to sleep than anything else. Also, pot smokers typically drive slower when they’re stoned as opposed to some drunk azz barreling down the highway at 90 until they hit something (or someone). The effects of pot, while substantial, are nowhere near as acute as those of alcohol or prescription pain meds. While memory is effected, it is highly unlikely that someone who smoked to excess the night before will experience total blackout with hours of one’s actions (and those actions while drunk can be… life changing) from the previous night totally lost to memory. Pot is not physically addictive, and the health concerns from using pot are extremely minimal as compared to alcohol. Driving or otherwise marijuana usage is exponentially less dangerous than alcohol usage. The only reasons alcohol remains legal while marijuana is considered a schedule 1 substance are the alcohol lobby in Washington, the large financial hit law enforcement would take upon legalization, and good-old American ignorance.

Greg S.

October 18th, 2011
3:45 pm

A huge number of people can’t drive now and you want to legalize weed? Are you stupid? I know you whiners will say “But you can’t smoke and drive, etc, etc”. Are you stupid? Do people drink and drive now? Hell Yes! And they kill people each and every day! Are you stupid???

getalife

October 18th, 2011
3:47 pm

Calm down greg.

Are you crazy?

Greg S.

October 18th, 2011
3:47 pm

Hey! Moonbat Betty….Keep on Truckin’

Where Does it End?

October 18th, 2011
3:49 pm

Libertarians are so clueless. They have the same answer for everything.
“Hey Bob, what do you think about child sex trafficing?”
Bob: “Oh, just legalize it and tax it. Problem solved.”

AmVet

October 18th, 2011
3:53 pm

betty, @3:31, good one.

Here’s another:

We like our pot
We like it a lot
Please don’t spray it with paraquat.

Greg, check into getting some medical marijuana.

You seem to be suffering from generalized anxiety…

Mudfoot

October 18th, 2011
3:53 pm

Greg, I quit smoking and drinking years ago. I moved to this area 1 1/2 years ago and after driving around for a week thought “these are THE worst drivers in the USA!” I’ve spent time in most states and on most highways – the way y’all sit for 5 seconds after the light changes or the car in front of you moves… the practice of driving 10 mph under the speed limit in the passing lanes… people’s penchant for texting, talking, shaving, applying makeup, reading and writing books, surfing the net, studying cuticles… anything but paying attention to the road… all leads me to believe that most around here are stoned behind the wheel already.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
3:54 pm

“Obama on Occupy Wall Street: ‘We Are on Their Side’ ” drudgey

Put that in your pipe and smoke it cons.

Joe the Plutocrat, paleo-neo-Carlinst and Hall Monitor

October 18th, 2011
3:54 pm

Where Does it End, really? are you a purveyor or consumer of “child sex traffic”? I am curious to learn how we get from a natural (god-given, for you Bible thumpers) plant, that was cultivated and consumed by our Founding Fathers; to the illicit sale and rape of minors? “clueless” doesn’t begin to describe the void between your ears.

Bandit - no speed limits

October 18th, 2011
3:57 pm

Getalife

Yep. Obama loves class warfare.

But Americans just want to work, make money, and go fast.

Tommy Maddox

October 18th, 2011
3:58 pm

“Obama on Occupy Wall Street: ‘We Are on Their Side’ ”

A gift that will keep on giving…

John K

October 18th, 2011
3:58 pm

Ah, the small government, out of personal lives crowd is most likely to say no. Shocked?

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
3:58 pm

I support legalization for individuals with small quantites, and that dui laws apply.

On the driving issue: Since THC stays in your system for a prolonged period, wouldn’t a regular user have a much higher percentage in their system than an occasional user…

If tested for DUI, would the regular user that smoked in the last week (and not currently under the influence) have a BAC as high if not higher than a first time user (or rare user) who just smoked?

I guess if you smoke, you can’t drive for a couple of weeks afterward.

Just curious- for all you scientist out there.

godless heathen

October 18th, 2011
3:58 pm

Greg,

I got news for you. They smoke weed and drive now. Shocking, I know.

pat

October 18th, 2011
3:58 pm

What’s taken so long?? I hope Harry Anslinger is rolling in his grave, jerk.

OldTech

October 18th, 2011
3:59 pm

I have changed my mind, and now think pot should be legal, because of the use of pot is climbing substantially and the criminals are becoming rich and vicious. Let them see how vicious someone like R J Reynolds can be, if it is made legal.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
4:00 pm

smokey,

That movie is old.

Try a new character but fast and furious is already here.

Jim

October 18th, 2011
4:02 pm

If they have a test to determine the current intoxication level then I am all for it.

seabeau

October 18th, 2011
4:04 pm

That’s all we need in society, more befuddled people!!

AmVet

October 18th, 2011
4:05 pm

Class warfare.

The new moral equivalence.

Or is it compassionate conservatism?

Maybe Mission Accomplished?

Perhaps strong defense?

Or socialized medicine?

How about evil?

Junk science?

Just another made-up, nonsensical buzz word/phrase that is part of the new Republispeak lexicon.

Humorous, but meaningless…

josef

October 18th, 2011
4:08 pm

A nice squiggly graph and a witty close…hmmmm! :-)

But as to the topic…it’s about time. And nothing like a new source of taxes to get the ball to rolling. I’m fer it…

MrLiberty

October 18th, 2011
4:08 pm

And a majority of people want the wars ended, the Fed audited, opposed the TARP bailout, both stimulus packages. Lots of good that will do. Pretty sad when you can’t count on your government to protect your freedom – especially from them. The war on drugs is an abject failure. Everything should be legalized, not just cannabis.

Bandit - no speed limits

October 18th, 2011
4:11 pm

Getalife

Where’s smokey? Other than the pot fields. Probably right, gotta go then! Smokeys are dumb.

MrLiberty

October 18th, 2011
4:11 pm

As for DUI, maybe this will force the issue back to a sense of normality. Instead of arbitrary roadblocks, illegal detentions, etc. combined with blood tests, etc. cops will finally actually have to pull someone over for driving poorly, and that will be the charge. THC stays in your body long after you are sober so a blood test will be worthless. We would all be better off if cops actually had to prove their case rather than just being able to throw out a net and grab people with lab tests.

godless heathen

October 18th, 2011
4:12 pm

If you have to drive in Atlanta, smoking a number should be a requirement.
Slow down and chill out.

Jm

October 18th, 2011
4:12 pm

Pot will not be legalized

Employers hate the idea

Where Does it End?

October 18th, 2011
4:13 pm

I wasn’t necessarily comparing legalizing pot to decriminalizing things that are malum in se, I was just pointing out that Libertarians (and Ron Paul supporters) are generally clueless. They are mostly useless. They add nothing to the conversation and they waste their vote.

But, for fun, let’s say we decriminalize marijuana. We give licenses to growers and distributers and retailers. Heck, we even allow certain cities to re-zone areas for pot bars. We tax it at 32% retail and we spend half the revenue on regulating the industry.
We then lose an amount equal to what we net gain in taxation in losses from a decline in alcohol sales.
And then what happens in a free market. The price of marijuana falls through the floor. It becomes unprofitable for smugglers and dealers, so they go back to doing less profitable and more dangerous things to make ends meet – like selling cocaine and heroine, and for example, child sex trafficing.
Problem solved, right guys.

Archie Bunker

October 18th, 2011
4:13 pm

This country is going strait to hell! I might as well load my shotgun and hide my son and wife if they ever decide to legalize this devil’s vile weed. Everyone will become a lunatic monster and try to take what is mine just like they did when rock and roll was played on the radio. Well I’ll be damned if you decide to step foot on my property you damn dirty hippies!

Sux Limbow

October 18th, 2011
4:14 pm

Republican tea-tard bible thumpers want to continue the “war on drugs” just as much as they love jihad on Iraq/Afghanistan.

Edith

October 18th, 2011
4:16 pm

As long as they stay out of Archie’s chair… you know how he gets when some meathead sits in it.

too little time

October 18th, 2011
4:16 pm

JB said “I’m at a loss to explain that sudden shift in sentiment, because I have no idea what outside force might be driving it. It is, you might say, a homegrown movement.

It’s the economy, stupid. At a time when we are flat broke:

* we are paying to prosecute and incarcerate people for marijuana
* we are making it more difficult for people to get jobs by handing them a criminal record
* we are undercutting the Mexican government by funding drug cartels (see “Prohibition”)
* we are encouraging our enemies (Iran) to use said cartels to create an international incident
* we are degrading freedom/privacy of U.S. citizens through the war on drugs.
* 40 years after “The War on Drugs”, we are no closer to eliminating this substance than we were 40 years ago. I don’t know how much was spent, but it has to be a MASSIVE amount by now… enough to shore up Social Security for a very long time. You have to choose your priorities.

Look, I could go on and on. “Reefer madness” is a proven farce. When a substance causes more problems through it’s illegal status than it is causing if it were legal, it is time to rethink the situation.

The question of MJ as medicinal will rage on. There are proven benefits of alcohol, coffee, etc. The only reason that these were found was because they are legal. Anyway, I am sure all these points have been made. I just needed to add one more voice to the choir of sanity.

Matti's Encouragement

October 18th, 2011
4:18 pm

Where Does it End,

GOSH! You’re right! All sorts of scary things will happen! Tell you what, why don’t you go hide under your bed. We’ll give you a holler when it’s okay to come out again. Good luck!

rightwingextreme

October 18th, 2011
4:19 pm

disregard this poll as it was conducted over a weekend….stoned out folks at home answering the phone

josef

October 18th, 2011
4:20 pm

Got a right wing radical survivalist buddy who has his stash in his bunker. Prepared for all eventualities, he is!

joe

October 18th, 2011
4:23 pm

Cain is for legalization by the way…he sees how much pizza and burger king he can sell to all the stoners…Vote for Cain!!

pogo

October 18th, 2011
4:24 pm

Same old “connage” here. Sad adults with nothing to do but hate.

josef

October 18th, 2011
4:26 pm

Where Does it End?

Dec. 21, 2012?

Steve - USA

October 18th, 2011
4:28 pm

getalife@3:54

To bad the OWS crowd considers the Democrats and Obama as part of the problem.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
4:30 pm

Anyone else notice the “class warfare” phrase is dying the fastest of deaths among conservatives? Even THEY know the public never bought that line.

And with that, I’m out. See you all later.

Steve - USA

October 18th, 2011
4:30 pm

I haven’t smoked pot in years but these pain killers for my wrist are the best high I have had in a long time. Thank you big Pharma! :)

josef

October 18th, 2011
4:32 pm

Kinda funny how many of us “haven’t smoked it in years!” Short term memory loss is one of the side effects, ya know… :-)

godless heathen

October 18th, 2011
4:34 pm

Where does it end?

I think this Friday is the revised End of the World Date.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
4:35 pm

I have no intention of partaking (I don’t care for the ganj and there are medical reasons why it would probably be unwise of me to smoke it), but I wouldn’t have a problem with decriminalization or outright legalization.

Where Does It End sounds like he’d have been right at home with the temperance movements in the US early in the last century. And we all know how giving in to that bunch of clowns turned out.

My wife and I do have a family friend who would probably be overjoyed if dope were legalized, though. She’s got a chronic, painful and debilitating disease and she self-medicates with the herb in order to dull the pain and improve her appetite. She feels that she’s gotten good results on both scores.

godless heathen

October 18th, 2011
4:35 pm

I haven’t smoked in years either, but I ever retire, it’s the first thing I’m going to do.

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
4:36 pm

Short term memory loss is one of the side effects, ya know…

Uh, what is the topic again? :)

josef

October 18th, 2011
4:36 pm

Hey, Bruin…

Have we got a theme for FNM?

Edith

October 18th, 2011
4:36 pm

Where Does it End?

Dec. 21, 2012?

I see someone here is already into the good stuff.

Edith

October 18th, 2011
4:37 pm

Where does it end?

Here.

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
4:38 pm

josef

October 18th, 2011
4:39 pm

When Mama was dying (cancer) one of my druggie nephews kept her supplied. She left a bequest in her will specifically for him and his buds to throw a party in her memory…they did!

Yep, when I retire and enter my second childhood, me, too!

josef

October 18th, 2011
4:41 pm

Edith

October 18th, 2011
4:37 pm
“Where does it end?

Here.”

Don’t bogart that joint, my friend… :-)

Where Does it End?

October 18th, 2011
4:41 pm

Dude, you’re missing the point. I love weed. I smoke an ounce of the killer about every three months.
My point is that the Libertarian de-regulation guys are fruitcakes.
I’m not anti-weed. I just happen to think that legalizing it is a dumb idea.
It is easy enough to get as is, and only really careless, stupid people (Libertarians) actually have to worry about law enforcement issues.
Geez, lighten up. Smoke a bowl or something.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
4:42 pm

josef — “When Mama was dying (cancer) one of my druggie nephews kept her supplied. She left a bequest in her will specifically for him and his buds to throw a party in her memory…they did!”

Good for your mom and for your cousin.

BTW, when you say “buds,” you mean “friends,” right? Just checking. :)

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
4:42 pm

Ya’ll are are MAD!

Pure Madness I tell you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6MGVpl5ux8

a typical weekend night at the moobat’s :)

josef

October 18th, 2011
4:43 pm

heathen

“I think this Friday is the revised End of the World Date”

Weather permitting.

Up in smoke...that's where all my money goes...

October 18th, 2011
4:44 pm

I think the shift in sentiment is because more people are starting to realize that marijuana isn’t really a gateway drug the way alcohol and nicotine are. If you ask adults what’s the first “drug” they tried of any kind, MOST will say alcohol or cigarettes. Not marijuana. Most people I know that sell it aren’t horrible criminals out to turn everyone into addicts. They are hardworking (and yes, taxpaying) Americans with families and even regular jobs in some cases. Same thing for most smokers I know. They aren’t strung out on the street corner preying on hardworking Americans. They are hardworking Americans. They have spouses, children, jobs, homes, go to school and are our neighbors. Its time lawmakers stop with the “Giggle, giggle. No!” attitude about this (non) issue and start passing laws to legalize or decriminalize it. Last time I checked, since California passed decriminalization laws, they’re citizens were (for the most part) fine and no worse off than they were before the laws passed. If people could legally grow it in their homes (herb garden anyone?) or legally purchase it for personal use (Hello?! Small business owners!!), it would create revenue from taxes. Plus it would help stop the killings and turf wars going on in these border towns in Mexico, Texas and other southwestern states because it wouldn’t need to be smuggled in. I bet if they asked conservatives and the Over 65 Club if they favored just to decriminalize it, I bet more would be okay with that. Anywho, that’s my $.02.

josef

October 18th, 2011
4:45 pm

JOE M

But, of course! :-)

Edith

October 18th, 2011
4:46 pm

My point is that the Libertarian de-regulation guys are fruitcakes.

There’s no need to state the obvious. Just one look at Ron Paul’s sagging eyebrow will tell you that. Someone send the cheapskate a tube of superglue.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
4:46 pm

Where Does it End?

Dec. 21, 2012?

Nope, Friday October 21, 2011.

(Disclaimer: Harold Camping has been wrong before.)

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
4:46 pm

Oh, boy. Let’s tweak Where Does It End’s post! :D

Dude, you’re missing the point. I love illegosos. I employ a bunch of them and I hire a new one about every three months.
My point is that the people pushing amnesty are fruitcakes.
I’m not anti-immigrant. I just happen to think that amnesty is a dumb idea.
Fake documents are easy enough to get as is, and only really careless, stupid employers actually have to worry about law enforcement issues.
Geez, lighten up. Go hire a Honduran landscaping crew or something.

Discussion? :D

Mack

October 18th, 2011
4:47 pm

This is kind of a stupid story. The majority of us want lower taxes, Congressmen who look out for the people instead of special interest, etc. etc, we can want for a lot of things but the politicians screw the majority over everyday.

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
4:47 pm

josef,

Awesome story — I’ve known a couple of folks who’ve done that.

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
4:48 pm

“Just one look at Ron Paul’s sagging eyebrow will tell you that.”

What is this all about? I fear I just don’t want to know and should not ask.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 18th, 2011
4:49 pm

Well, if they made it legal at least those night helicoper flights across the trailer park and other places would stop. And GA Power would make a fortune off of selling power to all the indoor growers. And who knows, maybe the cops could focus on the real criminals instead of dragging some pothead out and putting him in a squad car.

josef

October 18th, 2011
4:49 pm

MOObat

Ya’ll are are MAD!

“…a typical weekend night at the moobat’s…”

Are are mad? Moobat?

Sure it’s not a typical Tuesday t’yer place? :-)

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
4:50 pm

Yeah, my google in fact, was NOT broke, and I looked it up…

Oh damn, now I think I’ve busted something from laughing.

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
4:51 pm

it is easy enough to get as is, and only really careless, stupid people (Libertarians) actually have to worry about law enforcement issues.

I worry about the law enforcement issue. I don’t like paying the prison tab for dumb libertarians. I also don’t like the destabilization of Mexico, gangs, pot plantations in national parks, fostering disrespect for the law, racist enforcement, etc.

If you think there’s no problem because YOU aren’t in jail, you’re kidding yourself.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
4:51 pm

If you ask adults what’s the first “drug” they tried of any kind, MOST will say alcohol or cigarettes.

Actually it’s neither.

Caffeine is the first drug people take.

I remember my first Coca-cola. Got it as a present for sitting still while getting a haircut. It came out of one of those old time turntable coolers. So cold it made my eyes water.

Chester Cheetah

October 18th, 2011
4:52 pm

I personally back LEGAL pot, because that is the kind that doesn’t get you arrested.

Edith

October 18th, 2011
4:52 pm

josef

October 18th, 2011
4:54 pm

BOSCH

One of my straight-laced siblings wanted to know why Mama would leave “that B..” (the nephew) money to party with his good for nothing friends…those of us in the know just laughed…another sibling said, “…you wouldn’t understand…” and another chimed in with “…and that’s too bad. You’d be a lot happier if you did…” :-)

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
4:54 pm

josef,

I’m not mad, but it is at the moobat’s

and sometimes on Tuesdays!

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
4:54 pm

C. Cheetah — “I personally back LEGAL pot, because that is the kind that doesn’t get you arrested.”

I’m not at all surprised that an anthropomorphic predatory feline pitchman for SNACK FOOD is supportive of legalizing mary jo wanna. :D

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
4:55 pm

josef,

:lol:

“You’d be a lot happier if you did…”

Most people would be, for real!!

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
4:55 pm

“I’m at a loss to explain that sudden shift in sentiment, because I have no idea what outside force might be driving it. It is, you might say, a homegrown movement.

Very punny. I would guess it has to do with at least a couple of things.

One would be the general erosion of moral standards over the past several decades. I believe there was a fundamental sea change in perspective that occurred during the sixties. Free speech had been “redefined” by the “august” members of the Supreme Court, the Civil Rights movement and Act redefined individual rights, the anti-war movement and counter culture revolution rapidly and greatly stretched the boundaries of acceptable behavior, and the news media took a radical turn from being guardian of the status quo to the private eye of America at large. Just consider how JFK would fare in today’s environment: he would be compelled to resign his presidency at some point, I should think. His compulsive extramarital affairs (every three days) make Bill Clinton’s dalliances seem almost innocuous. And consider the content of current television shows to those of the 60s. And the list goes on and on. There are either moral absolutes or there are not. If not, then really anything could be acceptable at some point (just look top other cultures to see this: NAMBLA as an advocacy group would no reason to exist in ancient Greece; cannibalism has been practiced by a number of cultures). I smoked pot in my youth and now think it’s not beneficial because it is a) harmful to one’s body – the lungs if nothing else b) an impediment to emotional and mental maturation and c) something that can cause one to become excessively uninhibited.

Another contributing factor in this change, I should think, is the depressed economy. People who might otherwise oppose the legalization of pot could now be reconsidering if they believe it would be a great source of tax revenue.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
4:56 pm

Strawman — tl; dr.

Obama is over

October 18th, 2011
4:56 pm

Guess I will go down to the basement, burn one, and listen to a little My Morning Jacket. And then think about how open minded and well read USinUk is.

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
4:57 pm

Strawman,

Smoking pot is not immoral, it’s a freaking plant for God’s sake — you of all people, being a straw and all, should understand! :)

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
4:57 pm

Pot is the one thing we could really afford to pay American farmers $50/hour to harvest.

josef

October 18th, 2011
4:58 pm

K’CHAK

One of my earliest childhood memories is sitting at Granddaddy’s knee at the Old Men’s Pool Hall sipping that 6 oz Co-Cola and listening to their tales…(my home town had two pool halls, one for males over 12 and the other for the old men and you didn’t go there unless invited…had my first cigarette at the over 12 one when my brother sneaked me in…)

getalife

October 18th, 2011
4:59 pm

The gateway drug is legal and you can but it at convenience stores.

Drugs are a choice.

Freedom.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
4:59 pm

McCain — “Pot is the one thing we could really afford to pay American farmers $50/hour to harvest.”

DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING!!!!

We have a WINNAH! :D

Boris Badnoff

October 18th, 2011
4:59 pm

As a libertarian, I fully endorsed the legalization of all victimless crimes from pot puffing to dwarf tossing. How do you think Bookman writes his blog? Drinking carrot juice? But I would like the right to ask a surgeon before he operates on me if he or she is high on something. Or low on something. There are certain professions where an individual should be required to stay stone cold sober. Here’s a question for another blog: if prostitutes, drug salesmen, etc., are required to pay taxes how much will they be required to raise their price? And will they be required to give senior citizen discounts?

pogo

October 18th, 2011
5:00 pm

And, “free the weed!” I grew a “stalk or two” myself many years ago. Still haven’t forgotten how though. Weed out the males early and apply lots of phosphate. And that “indica” seed stock doesn’t hurt either.

Come November of 2012, getalife is going to witness the “wrath of con”. His boy Obama looks like a phony @$$ fool running frantically around in that damned Canadian bus trying to sell the same old
Shite that all of us know has failed. Obama has become a tragic figure of the Jimmy Carter ilk.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
5:00 pm

but is buy.

I just burned one from all this peer pressure on this blog.

josef

October 18th, 2011
5:01 pm

Now y’all leave Strawman alone…he’s evolving, too…he’s quit dragging his knuckles and has started making fire in the cave (Sorry, Brad Paisley, couldn’t resist!) :-)

Mitzymy

October 18th, 2011
5:01 pm

I used to work in a factory and all day people were smoking pot. The company found out about it, and banned it from the workplace. After that, production hit the floor, so they had to allow it again. It appears that the men and women who were smoking it, did a better job., got along better, and didn’t take their mistakes too seriously. Production went up and every body was happy again.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Reefer Madness.

October 18th, 2011
5:02 pm

Libertarians are generally just slightly less hung up Republicans.

Sadly there are the mental midgets and rabid nutjobs like Boortz who give it a horrific reputation.

Pot will never be legalized as long as BIG Pharma owns politicians.

Why use a weed that grows pretty much anywhere, and that is free for the picking or growing?

And one that is VERY effective in controlling pain, when you can pay a corrupt organization zillions of dollars for quasi-poisons that don’t work nearly as well.

Save those for the Bible thumpers and other puritans and let the rest of us be smart about it…

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
5:02 pm

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
5:02 pm

“There are either moral absolutes or there are not.”

I vote not,

“If not, then really anything could be acceptable at some point ”

And I don’t buy the slipperty slope thing either. I know what is right and what is wrong, not because the Bible or anything tells me so, it’s because humans have a sense of that based upon mores and norms of a society.

Yes, cannibalism and child molestation are frowned upon in this society, but in others, cannibalism is totally accepted (I don’t know of any society where child molestation is ok), it’s based upon someone’s culture.

And some cultures have sub-cultures where some practices are more accepting. Read a sociology book, it’ll asplain a little more.

Anywho, gotta go get me daughter! Later gators!!

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
5:04 pm

Ah, Strawman—-another “ok for me, but not for thee” moralist.

Actually no one cared about pot until racist fruitcakes claimed it would destroy CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT!!!!111!!!!

So maybe changing attitudes are due to common frakking sense trumping hysterical propaganda. That point probably never occurred to you.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Reefer Madness.

October 18th, 2011
5:04 pm

pogo, the “wrath of con”. I like that!

But you do remember what happened to him, right?

(He wasn’t luxuriating in fine Corinthian leather!)

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
5:06 pm

“Smoking pot is not immoral, it’s a freaking plant for God’s sake — you of all people, being a straw and all, should understand!”

Bosch, old buddy, I sure hope you don’t apply that same logic on a whim to smoke some poison ivy leaves.

josef

October 18th, 2011
5:06 pm

moonbat

That’s your story, and you stick to it! :-)

Mitzymy

October 18th, 2011
5:07 pm

If they are going to ban something, they should ban cigarettes. They are more addictive than heroin, and they kill. They don’t make you feel good and happy, and they don’t add anything positive to your life, only a reminder that one day the doctor will say that you are dying. Pot does have a cancer causing agent in it, but you don’t smoke as much pot as you do cigarettes. No one smokes 20 to 40 joints a day as they do cigarettes. Smoke a joint, eat a little, and take a nap.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
5:07 pm

“And one that is VERY effective in controlling pain.”

It takes you mind off the pain and kicks starts the opiates for pain.

My doctors have no problem with it.

Liquor and cigars make them upset .

Imagine that.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
5:07 pm

Pot harvesters are the crux of my new real american jobs plan. But in order for it to have a chance of passing, everybody must sing Bob Dylan tunes.

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
5:07 pm

Mitzymy — “It appears that the men and women who were smoking it, did a better job., got along better, and didn’t take their mistakes too seriously. Production went up and every body was happy again.”

Clearly Congress needs to burn a few jays.

too little time

October 18th, 2011
5:10 pm

“One would be the general erosion of moral standards over the past several decades”

???. This presumes that partaking of MJ is moral issue. Much like the prohibition of alcohol, It only became an issue when it was criminalized.

Okay, you want to talk morals? Here is my #1 reason for legalization:

When you pass laws that turn everyone into criminals, you breed deep disrespect for the government and the law. Bad laws CAUSE moral breakdown… the breakdown being disrespect for the rule of law. A concise set of legitimate laws is necessary for the respect for those who enforce them.

You can quote me on that. It is like the 55mph speed limit. There might have been some tiny percentage of the population that never broke the speed limit, but 99% of drivers broke this law. What kind of respect do you think regular citizens had for officers enforcing this law?

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
5:11 pm

“Actually no one cared about pot until racist fruitcakes claimed it would destroy CIVILIZATION AS WE KNOW IT!!!!111!!!! ”

I always wondered who made Reefer Madness. That’s for clearing that up for us, AquaGirl – it was RACIST FRUITCAKES! One of the perks of reading this blog is, of course, that is has its own superhero.

“So maybe changing attitudes are due to common frakking sense trumping hysterical propaganda. That point probably never occurred to you.”

Not quite like that. But, then again, I am not AquaGirl.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
5:19 pm

Strawman: Bosch, old buddy, I sure hope you don’t apply that same logic on a whim to smoke some poison ivy leaves.

It’s not immoral to smoke those either. It’s stupid, but not immoral.

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
5:20 pm

But, then again, I am not AquaGirl

My sympathies. We can’t all be perfect. :)

uspo

October 18th, 2011
5:22 pm

Oh what a tangled webbed-feet we weave when we first practice to be morons.

Tech '10

October 18th, 2011
5:23 pm

Well, if mj was legal, you could tax it, which would help to raise revenue. Growing modest amounts of pot could be like a small business, which would help stimulate the economy though producing something in relatively high demand and relieve the prison system of its burden. There are very few actual disadvantages to legalizing pot; it is no worse than liquor.

I am sure this has been more eloquently stated, I just don’t want to read through that many comments.

Mudfoot

October 18th, 2011
5:23 pm

“Not quite like that. But, then again, I am not AquaGirl”

Yeah, that’s most evident. Nice attempt at being “MoralMan” though

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
5:23 pm

josef

Just so happens that shop where I drank my first Coca-cola used to belong to my grandfather until he sold it to “Mr. Tom” who gave me my first haircut and continued cutting my hair for many years when we visited the folks hometown. The last time he cut my hair, Dad had to go get him out of one of those small-town pool halls in the middle of the afternoon. I could smell the beer on his breath and it was the worst. haircut. ever!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Come November of 2012, getalife is going to witness the “wrath of con”.

^^^^^Whistling past the graveyard.^^^^^

Joe Mama

October 18th, 2011
5:23 pm

If my house was burning down, I’d rather Aquagirl come save me than Strawman. Aquagirl comes with her own water, while Strawman’s just tinder for the fire. :D

Adam

October 18th, 2011
5:23 pm

uspo: Oh what a tangled webbed-feet we weave when we first practice to be morons.

The Republican base crossed that bridge already and burned it so they couldn’t go back to being NOT crazy.

Tech '10

October 18th, 2011
5:24 pm

legalizing it would also force current drug dealers to clean up their act or change professions.. or move on to harder stuff, that should actually be punished…in theory anyway

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
5:26 pm

“When you pass laws that turn everyone into criminals, you breed deep disrespect for the government and the law. Bad laws CAUSE moral breakdown..”

I think you have a point there and, thought I didn’t say it in my initial post, I think it is really hard to make and try to enforce laws that are inconsistent. And, though I think that smoking pot is not beneficial to most people (based on my own personal experience), I nonetheless recognize that it is inconsistent to outlaw this activity when smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, eating 20 Big Macs in one sitting and other harmful things are legal. It is not for me a make or break proposition in considering a candidate for office. I used to smoke cigarettes at one time but am not one of the militant anti-smokers former smokers often become. For me the underlying moral principle is harm to oneself – which not only costs the person but can also cost the society at large (as we have now seen with healthcare and the like).

josef

October 18th, 2011
5:31 pm

Strawman reminds me of an old drag queen from way back when who did the Salvation Army Lady

“Brothers and Sisters, I used to run with a bad crowd. Brothers and Sisters, I don’t run with a bad crowd anymore! Brothers and Sisters, I used to drink and smoke marijuana. Brothers and Sisters, I don’t drink and smoke marijuana anymore! Brothers and Sisters, I used to lay in the gutter. Brothers and Sisters, I don’t lay in the gutter anymore! …All I do is stand here and beat this g’d*mn drum!” :-)

pogo

October 18th, 2011
5:31 pm

Too much money is to be made by the DEA and the cops for legalization to ever occur. Furthermore, politicians on both sides know that there is way too much political capital for them to harvest from keeping it illegal to ever consider decriminalization. Even though it would save this country billions. Alcohol is way more destructive than marijuana and yes pot can cause respiratory disease but what does alcohol do? It destroys lives, it destroys health and it causes violence in one
form or the other. There is one thing I know, pot does not cause violence. Unless of course it is kept illegal and the drug dealers continue on with their war.

ODD OWL

October 18th, 2011
5:34 pm

Legalize pot, tax it and revitalize the economy…

roughrider

October 18th, 2011
5:35 pm

Let medical doctors make the call on pot instead of lawmakers.

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
5:36 pm

“Strawman reminds me of an old drag queen from way back when who did the Salvation Army Lady…”

You have a curious imagination…I won’t ask what led you directly to this mental image. Keep it to yourself. Oh, and what is it you “preached” to me yesterday, “brother”?

josef

October 18th, 2011
5:39 pm

Strawman…

The routine…you are the one who fixated on who done it!

I don’t remember what I preached yesterday…! I change sermons too regularly and, well, there IS that short term memory loss! :-)

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
5:40 pm

I think it is really hard to make and try to enforce laws that are inconsistent.
When you start picking and choosing who gets to slide by, white skin and social status count. Just ask Rush Limbaugh.

Aquagirl comes with her own water, while Strawman’s just tinder for the fire
And free dolphin rides for the kiddies!

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
5:42 pm

“I don’t remember what I preached yesterday…! I change sermons too regularly and, well, there IS that short term memory loss!”

Got it. In other words, you needn’t be taken seriously. Thanks for clarifying that.

Atlanta mom

October 18th, 2011
5:44 pm

Mexico would be happy to see us legalize pot. It would reduce the violence in their country dramatically.

josef

October 18th, 2011
5:46 pm

Strawman…

“Got it. In other words, you needn’t be taken seriously. Thanks for clarifying that.”

More than welcome. Some things, though, I thought were obvious. Kinda slow on the uptake, there…my needs are simple… :-)

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
5:52 pm

“When you start picking and choosing who gets to slide by, white skin and social status count. Just ask Rush Limbaugh.”

I don’t know him. A lot of things can count when people are “picking and choosing” – not just race or social standing. That is patently obvious. If I go into certain neighborhoods in Atlanta, my white skin and middle class social status will not likely permit me to “slide by” (as you put it). Everyone on this blog (and indeed in the world) has moral standards, as evidenced by the judgements rendered almost every minute. They can all be wrong, but they cannot all be right. But logical inconsistency is a sure sign something is wrong.

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
5:55 pm

Aquagirl,

Rush Limbaugh isn’t breaking any laws or enforcing any as well. But if white skin and social status count, why does the DOJ open a hot line for illegal immigrants to call if they feel that they are being discriminated against? Getting to pick and choose who gets to slide by?….. seems like Bozo and the Justice Dept. have a pretty good lock on that with over 23M illegals in this country. And they aren’t white and although I am not so sure about their social status……

josef

October 18th, 2011
5:56 pm

“Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.”
–Oscar Wilde

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
5:57 pm

It would reduce the violence in their country dramatically.

I’ve always wondered why the “whut don’t u unnerstand ’bout eye-leagle” crowd doesn’t support legalization. But then they seem to think Mexicans are coming here just to spite them. What a bunch of narcissists.

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
5:58 pm

“More than welcome. Some things, though, I thought were obvious.”

Hmm…perhaps you are a little slow on the delivery (involving, as you say, a short term memory problem) that you forget you have posted seemingly very serious messages in the past – you know, like discussions concerned with minorities (which you consider Jews to be here in America). I’ll remember your new “position” on things when next you pretend to be serious.

TruthBe

October 18th, 2011
6:00 pm

This wouldn’t help the Country. How would this help young people and small children? What negative effects would this do to sociality as a whole? Has anybody throught this out long term? When children see their parents high, what social / emotional effects will this be on them? What are the negative costs of allowing marijuana to be legal? Is marijuana a “gateway drug”? Is long term usage of marijuana dangerous? Does it make people lazy so that they won’t want to work for things? Crime rate increases? More drugs are not the answer are they?

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
6:02 pm

Is marijuana a “gateway drug”?

No, that would be caffeine.

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
6:03 pm

But if white skin and social status count, why does the DOJ open a hot line for illegal immigrants to call if blah blah blah blah blah….

And once again, kayaker’s cheese slides off his cracker.

Doggone/GA

October 18th, 2011
6:05 pm

TruthBe – take a line through the actual, current situation with alcohol. EVERY question you asked can also be asked of that drug. And alcohol is already legal.

pogo

October 18th, 2011
6:06 pm

“Whistling past the graveyard” Kam? We’ll see. Reality is something liberals have never been very good at dealing with. They tend to live in the land of “what may be” meanwhile ignoring that which is plainly in front of their eyes. But YOU never know (but I and every other thinking and taxpaying person in this country do). Come election day, never underestimate the power of the taxpaying people of middle America. We will take care of business next November and Obama will be thrown into the dustbin of American history as another failed mistake of the liberals/progressives. In politics, the beloved Keynesian theory doesn’t stand a chance against us nine to fivers who pay the bills that allow all of you retirees to sit on you ass and blog all day. All you think is that someone owes you. Here is a bit of reality for you, we working people don’t owe you crap. You owe us.

dustbin of American history as another mistake.

josef

October 18th, 2011
6:07 pm

Strawman…
The point was that said “you needn’t be taken seriously.” You= subject, need not=predicate, be taken seriously=complement. No, I don’t NEED that…even when I may be pontificating on this, that or the other of my “causes,” I, personally,neither need nor expect to be taken seriously. If someone takes (or does not take) the content of what I yammmer about seriously, so be it…

Now, let’s see…I go off on gays, Roma, American Indians, American Southerners AND Jews…so why did you pick Jews… hmmmm…

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
6:07 pm

“blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah”

Once again, AquaGirl proves she has been swimming with dolphins entirely too long (though I would have expected her nonsensical utterances to be more along the lines of “gurgle, gurgle, gurgle…”).

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
6:08 pm

Aquagirl,

You can make all the cutsie comments you want but your argument is bogus. Limbaugh has a point. According to the GAO, 25 Americans are killed every day by illegals, either by outright murder or in automobile accidents. Thats 9,000 deaths per year or over 36,000 deaths in the last four years. I might point out that that is 10X the number lost in Iraq but who gives a sh*t….. they’re only Americans…. and we have to protect those Mexicans at any cost, now don’t we?

josef

October 18th, 2011
6:11 pm

Aquagirl…

“…cheese slides off his cracker”

May I add that one to my repertoire? :-)

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
6:12 pm

…us nine to fivers who pay the bills that allow all of you retirees to sit on you ass and blog all day.

And just what is it that you do from nine to five?

I worked construction 7:00 am to 9:00 pm–and later–six to seven days a week while you do what from nine to five?

Sit on your ass running that mouth on the phone?

I scoff at your idea of hard work, sport.

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
6:12 pm

“Now, let’s see…I go off on gays, Roma, American Indians, American Southerners AND Jews…so why did you pick Jews… hmmmm…”

Inquiring minds want to know. I bet, if you made a mad dash to the supermarket, you might still be able to purchase the latest issue of the Enquirer. But listen to me seriously: aliens did NOT abduct and brainwash Condoleezza Rice!!!

TruthBe

October 18th, 2011
6:12 pm

Doggone/Ga, Yes, but we are talking about marijuana. Look how alcohol has done to sociality as a whole and to people’s lifes.

Bosch

October 18th, 2011
6:13 pm

And once again, kayaker’s cheese slides off his cracker.

Thats why we love Aquagirl.

Strawman,

RE: smoking poison ivy

I see no problem with that, as Adam wrote, it’s not immoral or illegal to smoke poison ivy and would probably kill the individual- I’m all for natural selection – if your dumb enough to do something like that, then you are probably too dumb to live.

:)

Jay

October 18th, 2011
6:13 pm

kayaker, I guarantee you that there is no GAO report making such a ludicrous claim. None.

Really, I absolutely marvel at the capacity of the right to simply invent facts and statistics out of thin air as they need them. And once one lie is exposed they go merrily onto the next.

josef

October 18th, 2011
6:17 pm

Strawman…

I don’t have to make a mad rush to the supermarket…got it in “the reading room” already…

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
6:17 pm

“I see no problem with that, as Adam wrote, it’s not immoral or illegal to smoke poison ivy and would probably kill the individual- I’m all for natural selection – if your dumb enough to do something like that, then you are probably too dumb to live.”

Yes, it would likely kill the individual. So, that being the case, should it be legal (or moral) to sell it to another person (I mean, because it’s just a plant, right)?

uspo

October 18th, 2011
6:17 pm

the people here comment all day and all night for years and years and years.

It’s rather unsettling. They think they’re accomplishing something. They think that they’re weaving the fabric of the social network.

They’re only being knit wits and morons. If only they could read themselves as they are being read.

They’d stop commenting, that’s for sure.

That’s 4 dang sure.

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
6:18 pm

“I don’t have to make a mad rush to the supermarket…got it in “the reading room” already…”

Really? Where do you work?

josef

October 18th, 2011
6:18 pm

“If drugs are outlawed, only outlaws will have drugs.” –Unmentionable

josef

October 18th, 2011
6:19 pm

STRAWMAN

In which of my jobs?

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Reefer Madness.

October 18th, 2011
6:19 pm

josef, you know why.

The Zionist banking cabal, that I am still trying to get into! (And apparently because you consider Jews to be a minority!)

Man, oh man, oh man.

Here is to hoping that the condidates in Vegas tonight get asked point blank about the OWS protests. The ones gone nationwide and international.

This promises to be a huge public collapse by more than few of the fake conservatives on that stage.

And yet more garish, foot-in-mouth spectacle…

josef

October 18th, 2011
6:20 pm

uspo

And? You’re here on the cyber front porch with the rest of us, ain’t you? :-)

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
6:20 pm

Hey, kayaker, right now, somewhere there is an illegal alien smoking pot. Deal with it. So you should be headed over to NORML’s website for full membership if you want those funny talking brown people out of your manifest destiny.

Also, you have confused “wingnut congressman talking out his butt” with “GAO.” The rest of us know the difference.

TruthBe

October 18th, 2011
6:21 pm

Jay, That sounds like the corrupt liars of the Democrat Party and their brought and paid for wouldbe news media that you belong to. The left has ALWAYS used lies and deception as an allied to FORCE their perverted belief system down our throats.

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
6:21 pm

Bookman,

Hate to do your homework for you but go to Review America.com, June 22,2006, A report on “Illegal Aliens Linked to Rise in Crime Statistics”. It is much worse than I stated. These stats are not lies. They are not fabricated and they certainly are not ludicrous. Look it up and then give me a shout.

josef

October 18th, 2011
6:22 pm

ZamVet…

But you’ve got to be a gay na-zi Jewish banker, doncha know?

Jay

October 18th, 2011
6:23 pm

And right on schedule, there it is, the much-dreaded “I know you are but what am I?” defense, offered by someone advocating Truth in his blog name.

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
6:23 pm

“In which of my jobs?”

Oh, boy. TMI, Josef; I’ll withdraw the question. ;-)

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
6:24 pm

Aquagirl,

But do you deny the stats? Whether they came directly from the GAO or from a Republican Congressman or from Batman, they are not bogus. Your are dodging the bullet. This is real.

josef

October 18th, 2011
6:26 pm

STRAWMAN

Oh, I haven’t worked in THAT area since I was about 16-17 years old! :-)

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
6:27 pm

“The left has ALWAYS used lies and deception as an allied to FORCE their perverted belief system down our throats.”

I would have to disagree, I remember at least one time when Jay did not do this. So you can’t say always. ;-)

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Reefer Madness.

October 18th, 2011
6:28 pm

Damn! Really?

Well, josef, I guess I’ll just have to be content to be one of the working class schmucks.

Speaking of which, I think I’ve discovered one of the reasons why several of the right wing schmucks here are so damn delusional:

A poll from 2000 showed that no less than 19% considered themselves in the top 1% — and another 20% on top of that expected they would be soon.

Which explains why our billionaires, who contribute regularly here, write the things they do!!

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
6:29 pm

I have found that those who complain the most about having something forced down their throats, are the same ones who will swallow just about anything.

TruthBe

October 18th, 2011
6:30 pm

Jay, You wouldn’t know the truth if it was setting in front you. You are paid to promote the lefts agenda plain and simple my deal friend. If you were free to write about the truth, would you???????? Not just what you are instructed to write about from your liberal progressive bosses.

Jay

October 18th, 2011
6:32 pm

And you compound one lie with two more, Kayaker. The site in question is RenewAmerica.com, not ReviewAmerica, but that’s a simple mistake.

The lies come in the fact that nowhere on that site does it say a damn thing about 25 Americans dying each day at the hands of illegals, nor is there a link to any GAO study claiming such a thing.

Making up baloney to hide the fact that you’re making up baloney…. Shall we now go for the rarely attempted triple-baloney play, in which the contestant makes up a lie to hide the lie told to hide the initial lie?

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
6:33 pm

josef

October 18th, 2011
6:33 pm

ZamVet
That’s what I keep saying myself…but they’ll keep on shlepping for Soros!

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
6:34 pm

Meltdown in progress.

Jay

October 18th, 2011
6:34 pm

TruthBe, if you care to be specific about a lie I have allegedly told — not just a conclusion that disagrees with YOUR conclusion — then step right up and state your piece.

Jay

October 18th, 2011
6:36 pm

Here’s the GAO site, Kayaker: http://www.gao.gov/

Find that report and prove me wrong.

josef

October 18th, 2011
6:36 pm

K’Chak
@ 6:29
Good one!

TRUTH BE
You seem to know an awful lot of (incidentally incorrect) details…where IS your mind? You’ve got the wrong gutter here! :-)

Liberal Progressive Boss

October 18th, 2011
6:37 pm

Jay, did you write that column on how Romney is a secret admirer of Butch Cassidy (a baptized Mormon) yet? No??? Why not? What do you think we pay you for – to chat with mindless neocons on your pathetic blog?? Have you not noticed that Cynthia is not around any longer? Did you see how FEW columns she was writing for us? Put two and two together, mister!

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
6:37 pm

You see, the way it works is this: some dumbass like this Kowalski makes absurd unfounded statements and the right “adopts” them. Then as it is repeat over and over again, it takes on the mantle of “truth,” such as it is. Would you really expect anything else?

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
6:37 pm

This is real.

Only in your scared lilly-white brain, kayaker.

And yes, those “stats” are complete and total crap. And you are incredibly gullible to believe them. You want me to provide links? Why would I do that, since anything that disagrees with your nutcase forwarded e-mails is clearly untrustworthy commiepinko propaganda? I seem to recall you saying snopes was a liberal left wing bunch. Too much WhirledNutDaily has infected your brain.

But for hilarity’s sake, here’s the godless socialist SPLC explanation of how someone sold you a load of BS.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2007/summer/paranoid-style-redux/getting-immigrat

BTW, the Army spent taxpayer dollars teaching me about propaganda and how it’s used to gain political power. You are one screaming textbook case if I ever saw one.

Jm

October 18th, 2011
6:37 pm

Jay. Re earlier post, any scoop on occupy Atlanta.

What’s your read?

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
6:39 pm

Jay, my 6:33 shows exactly where he got it from. Case closed.

Jay

October 18th, 2011
6:39 pm

jm, that’s my morning post.

Don't Forget

October 18th, 2011
6:41 pm

TruthBe

October 18th, 2011
6:30 pm

Jay, You wouldn’t know the truth if it was setting in front you. You are paid to promote the lefts agenda plain and simple my deal friend. If you were free to write about the truth, would you???????? Not just what you are instructed to write about from your liberal progressive bosses.

Hey Einstein, who pays Kyle Wingfield?

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
6:41 pm

Come on, LPB….your zeal is getting the better of you. Romney is NOT a secret admirer of Cassidy; he only said in passing that he enjoyed watching Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Geez..get a grip, man!

Doggone/GA

October 18th, 2011
6:43 pm

“Doggone/Ga, Yes, but we are talking about marijuana. Look how alcohol has done to sociality as a whole and to people’s lifes.”

As someone in Ken Burn’s series about Prohibition said, in effect: you treat those who have a problem, you don’t legislate for everyone because 10% of the people have a problem. It doesn’t work.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
6:43 pm

uspo,

read my lips. No New Jobs! I mean… real jobs for real Americans… dammit, that’s not what I meant. I’ll chase Osama to the gates of haides, if I knew where that was. Is it 2008 yet.

Don't Forget

October 18th, 2011
6:44 pm

Aquagirl,
BTW, the Army spent taxpayer dollars teaching me about propaganda and how it’s used to gain political power. You are one screaming textbook case if I ever saw one.

Exactly. Crazy like Fox.

USMC

October 18th, 2011
6:44 pm

Jay@6:32

WOW! Jay, that was a lot of bluster and bravado for just one post. :-)

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
6:46 pm

Mitt claims to know the 99%. He will say anything to get their votes. I have scruples. Where did I put them. I can’t go anywhere without them.

josef

October 18th, 2011
6:46 pm

Doggone

You know my jaundiced opinion of Ken Burns…but that Prohibition one was him at his best! Watched it twice…

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Reefer Madness.

October 18th, 2011
6:46 pm

Yep, sometimes the adults just gotta tell the screaming kids to shut the hell up or go to another room…

Jay

October 18th, 2011
6:47 pm

TruthBe, another post like that one and you’ll be gone, capice?

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
6:49 pm

“Only in your scared lilly-white brain, kayaker.”

I’ve learned so much since I’ve been reading this blog. I never knew brains could be both scared and lily white. Those silly doctors who refer to them as grey matter…where did they get edumacated?

Jm

October 18th, 2011
6:49 pm

Jay 6:39 aha!

The suspense is killing us all. :)

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
6:49 pm

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
6:53 pm

“TruthBe, another post like that one and you’ll be gone, capice?”

Like what one?

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
6:54 pm

that was a lot of bluster and bravado for just one post.

Most people don’t realize how much havoc you can wreak with crap information. If you did, you’d be less complacent when you see zombified posters.

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
6:55 pm

Bookman,

You and others like you decry the illegal immigrant problem as just another walk in the park, no problem, we can handle that….. they only contribute to our well being and do the jobs that others will not do. But CA is a prime example of how wrong that premise is. CA spends close to 10.5B/yr on illegals. 7.7B in education (close to 15% of the student body is latino illegals), 1.4 B on health care, 1.1B in subsidies and they are 28B in the hole as of last month. And you and people like Aquagirl, who has her head in the sand,want us to believe that that is not a problem? What kind of world do you live in? Go to About.com. They will make you much smarter.

josef

October 18th, 2011
6:55 pm

Strawman

“Like what one?”

Inquiring minds want to know. Me, too! :-)

Tom Middleton

October 18th, 2011
6:56 pm

Hey, it’s safer at 30 on the freeway than 120, isn’t it? At least the smoker thinks he’s going the speed limit! LOL

Jay

October 18th, 2011
6:56 pm

The one that isn’t there anymore because it was particularly vile, Strawman.

The one that makes TruthBe’s preaching about Christian principles seem hypocritical.

Jay

October 18th, 2011
6:58 pm

And Kayaker, don’t come posting more numbers and expect people to believe them, not until you at least acknowledge being mistaken about the false numbers you posted just a few minutes ago. Why pay attention to someone with a cavalier attitude toward the truth?

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
6:58 pm

I’m just glad Republicans don’t get all emotional and stick to just presenting the facts in a logical and well-demeanered way. Notice how I said that with such conviction. I’m good. Limbaugh’s got nothing on the Maverick. I can poop with the best of them.

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
6:59 pm

“Inquiring minds want to know. Me, too! ”

[Sheepishly] Well, since it seems to be an oddly belated secondary response to TB’s last post, I was wondering if our gracious host mistook the (satirical) persona of a subsequent poster as belonging to TB. I am just, you know, curious…

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
7:01 pm

“The one that isn’t there anymore because it was particularly vile, Strawman.”

Ah, good. I guess some have thought me to be that way, but I don’t think any of my posts have been.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
7:01 pm

kayaker,

would you like to borrow my slightly modified almost random number generator. It has saved my butt on more than one occassion. I use it for polls and scientific studies and all sorts of things.

josef

October 18th, 2011
7:02 pm

josef

October 18th, 2011
7:06 pm

Strawman…

Yeah and it kinda makes my rejoinder sound superfluous…but, then, aren’t they all! :-)

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
7:08 pm

MfR,

Now you tangentially touch upon one of the greatest illustrations of satire in literature: the Lagado word frame described in the third book of Gulliver’s Travels. You want to challenge you mind? Study the passage about it and see if you can detect all the levels of irony therein.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Reefer Madness.

October 18th, 2011
7:08 pm

Tom, shades of Cheech & Chong!

(Oh man! It’s only an ambulance…)

Apparently a certain, very naughty, young man thinks he’s still at Ms. Tucker’s.

I wonder if the smart money up and down the strip will be on:

1) Herman’s $9.99 plan
2) Perry’s energy plan for a globally cooling planet
3) Mitt’s I feel the protester’s pain speech
4) Newt, Michelle, Rick and Ron getting a word in edgewise

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
7:09 pm

Bookman,

Denial is such a wonderful thing. It make you whole, dismisses all of the inane posts by those evil, vile right wing, idiots and raises you above the fray in thinking that all of those numbers can’t be true….. they are just fabrications made up by some “con” who thinks that this country is headed for a fall that could be prevented. Tell me one thing. Is any of this illegal immigrant business not to your liking? Or would you advocate open borders, like our upstanding Wall Street Protestors? Are we spending too much money on illegals or is what we are spending make up for what we gain?

Jay

October 18th, 2011
7:10 pm

Let me know when you find that GAO report, kayaker.

In the meantime ….

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
7:10 pm

You want to challenge you mind?

Squirrel!!!

F. Sinkwich

October 18th, 2011
7:11 pm

AP:

“Don’t look for Democrats in fiercely contested Virginia legislative elections to join President Barack Obama as he brings his campaign-style American Jobs Act bus tour to three cities in this state. And don’t expect Tim Kaine, the former Democratic National Committee chairman and Virginia’s governor two years ago, to join his old ally either.”

How come is that? He’s the Messiah fer cryin’ out loud! All them dope smokers came out for him in 2008, why not now?

Oh, that’s right, he sucks.

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
7:13 pm

“You want to challenge your mind? Squirrel!!!”

Alllriiiggghhhtty then. Perhaps not.

USMC

October 18th, 2011
7:13 pm

Boy, JAY is cracking the whip tonight boys and girls!
Can you pass the popcorn, please? :-)

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
7:15 pm

USMC,

But he is in abject denial…. one of the prime traits of a liberal talking head.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
7:16 pm

“Let me know when you find that GAO report, kayaker.”

He ain’t never gonna find it because like all of the other thoughts he holds in his head, they were placed there by Fright Wing Radio or Focked News.

BTW: if you make an assertion on this blog it’s best to be able to post a link that substantiates that assertion. Otherwise, your assertion is just conjecture. No more, no less.

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
7:17 pm

“Don’t look for Democrats in fiercely contested Virginia legislative elections to join President Barack Obama as he brings his campaign-style American Jobs Act bus tour to three cities in this state.”

See, he really needed to take a train. The only song I can think of about a bus is the Who’s ‘Magic Bus’. Two much better songs come to mind about trains: ‘Midnight Train to Georgia’ and “People Get Ready’. This has to be Obama’s greatest political miscalculation.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
7:17 pm

But he is in abject denial

And all this time I thought it was “object” denial. You know the one.

bman

October 18th, 2011
7:18 pm

The majority of Americans supporting to legalize marijuana is not surprising. I would wager that DUI’s are at an all-time high, too. It’s the people’s only escape to cope with the economy and the direction of the country under this administration.

Obama supporters are correct : Anything is possible with his leadership. Hope & change you can believe in…

F. Sinkwich

October 18th, 2011
7:18 pm

“Or would you advocate open borders, like our upstanding Wall Street Protestors?”

I think the answer is obvious, K71.

The lib ilk wants open borders and amnesty for all who are in this country illegally. Lib ilks want them on the voter rolls and absolutely no way do they want them to have to produce a photo ID to cast a ballot. Lib ilks want illegals to have free education, health care, and food stamps.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Reefer Madness.

October 18th, 2011
7:19 pm

Attention righties!

Clock cleaning time!

If you want your clocks cleaned, just write something fabricated and ludicrous.

(There may be customer service fees, transaction fees, surcharges and ATM fees where applicable.)

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
7:19 pm

Nothing personal, Straw. Just don’t care to revisit Gulliver at the moment.

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
7:19 pm

McCain for Resident,

Abject is the correct word…. look it up.

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
7:20 pm

Let me know when you find that GAO report, kayaker.

Jay said it all there, kayaker. This stunning fact ought to be publicized as widely as possible, so produce or wander off into aimless rambling to CYA. I’ll let you hang yourself.

Tom Middleton

October 18th, 2011
7:22 pm

AmVet, Dave’s not here! :)

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
7:23 pm

Cain has a 9-9-9 plan for illegal immigrants too. It has something to do with 9kV applied to a 9 ft high chain link with signs every nine meters inviting people to just climb right over. He’s such a thoughtful person. I’m so glad he’s on our side. Did anyone else notice how accomodating he is for people that like our revered British units as well as those metric things. By the way, you Democrats out there noticed that he’s just like Obama too.

Jay

October 18th, 2011
7:25 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
7:25 pm

Ohhh nasty cons… Lib Ilk don’t care! Oh watch out nasty cons, lib ilk are badasses. Ohhh look a nasty con lie without fact. Lib ilk doesn’t give a shyte! Lib ilk destroys the lies.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
7:26 pm

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
7:27 pm

“Nothing personal, Straw. Just don’t care to revisit Gulliver at the moment.”

LOL. I get that a lot. Most people consider Gulliver’s Travels a children’s story, when it is arguably the greatest piece of satire ever written. Swift was a literary genius, and he probably would delight in the fact that most people don’t perceive the satire in the book. But, if you ever do get around to it, just remember that Gulliver starts with “gull” and that this persona is a nincompoop oblivious to himself who relates absurd stories with all kinds of inconsistencies that nonetheless sharply satirize the people and times in which Swift lived. It’s unbelievably rich.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
7:28 pm

BLITZER: Could you imagine if you were president…and there were one American soldier who had been held for years and the demand was al Qaeda or some other terrorist group, “You got to free everyone at Guantanamo Bay” – several hundred prisoners at Guantanamo. Could you see yourself as president authorizing that kind of transfer?

CAIN: I could see myself authorizing that kind of transfer but what I would do is I would make sure that I got all of the information. I got all of the input, considered all of the options. And then, the president has to be the president and make a judgment call. I can make that call if I had to.

So Cain would negotiate with terrorists. Every single American traveling overseas would be at risk if Cain were President.

josef

October 18th, 2011
7:28 pm

Caine can write off the Latino vote…yow!

Sinkwich..
“Lib ilks want illegals to have free education, health care..”

Not all of us, some of us want EVERYBODY to have these two

“…and food stamps.”
Whoever needs them…

Change and Hope???

October 18th, 2011
7:29 pm

Meanwhile, change you can believe in —

The Obama years have racked up the three largest deficits, both in absolute amounts and as a share of GDP, since Hitler still terrorized Europe. Some increase in deficits was inevitable given the recession, but to have deficits of nearly $1.3 trillion two years into a purported economic recovery simply hasn’t happened in modern U.S. history. Yet President Obama fiercely resisted even the token spending cuts for fiscal 2011 pressed by House Republicans earlier this year.

USMC

October 18th, 2011
7:30 pm

Jay@7:25

My name is Rick Perry. I like Fast Cars and Fast Women!
(and the smell of Vitalis Hair Tonic in the morning) :-)

bman

October 18th, 2011
7:31 pm

TruthBe

October 18th, 2011
7:32 pm

Jay you didn’t allow my blog to post. Why???????? The truth hurts. Folks I answered Jay and he got mad and won’t let it be seen. Jay I expect more out of you. I didn’t write anything that wasn’t the truth or use any bad language.

A New Spending Record

October 18th, 2011
7:32 pm

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
7:32 pm

LOL. I get that a lot. Most people consider Gulliver’s Travels a children’s story, when it is arguably the greatest piece of satire ever written.

Actually it just has not been very long since I talked to my child about the story for one of her college Literature classes. It was not an attempt on my part to belittle Swift’s work. Enough of that though. There are politicians afoot and we must be on guard.

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
7:33 pm

“Not all of us, some of us want EVERYBODY to have these two.”

I know I do. Let us know when you win the lottery so this may be paid for.

Don't Forget

October 18th, 2011
7:34 pm

“Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.”—Mark Twain

josef

October 18th, 2011
7:36 pm

USMC

@ 7:30
I better not say what I’m thinking…no need to get Fatwah Albert riled at me, too! But, well, you know… :-)

TruthBe

October 18th, 2011
7:36 pm

Jay Do you believe in freedom of the press? Freedom of expression?

josef

October 18th, 2011
7:37 pm

STRAWMAN

Legalize pot and tax the hell out of it…that’d pay for it in short order…

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Reefer Madness.

October 18th, 2011
7:37 pm

Zip it, Brigham Young. Make your mouth look like this. I was just thinking out loud. I ain’t done yet.

Now that is a ribtickler!

Apparently, the only guy with any real gravitas won’t be playing tonight…

Jm

October 18th, 2011
7:37 pm

Jay 7:25

That was funny. I’m just jealous Rick Perry got to shoot a grenade launcher.

Go Figure

October 18th, 2011
7:38 pm

“The most important thing we can do right now is those of us in leadership letting people know that we understand their struggles and we are on their side, and that we want to set up a system in which hard work, responsibility, doing what you’re supposed to do, is rewarded,” Obama tells ABC News. “And that people who are irresponsible, who are reckless, who don’t feel a sense of obligation to their communities and their companies and their workers that those folks aren’t rewarded.”

Yet, PresBo continues to reward failure, e.g., the generational government dependents; and punish success, e.g.. those who make over $250K..

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
7:39 pm

Of course, the cuts consist of reductions to common GOP bogeymen like the National Endowment for the Arts and Amtrak. But the House Republicans have a preoccupation with cutting programs that affect women and their babies. For instance, the GOP proposed:

* Cutting $758 million from the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC), which amounts to about a 6 percent cut to a program providing food assistance to low-income women and their infants.

* Cutting $210 million from Maternal and Child Health Block Grants, which amounts to about a 33 percent cut in a program giving low-income pregnant women, mothers and their children access to health care.

* Cutting $27 million from the Poison Control Center, which would essentially eliminate a program supporting local poison control centers and funding a hotline directing residents to their local poison control office. Poisoning disproportionately affects children, with half the exposures at the National Poison Control Center last year occurring to children younger than six.

The House Republicans second-largest cut is to community health centers ($1.1 billion). In 2008, about one-third of community health center patients were children.

In the grand scheme of deficit reduction, these cuts will do absolutely nothing, but they will have extremely detrimental effects for those who depend upon the targeted programs. This shows the folly of the GOP’s approach to budgeting, which leaves huge parts of the federal budget immune to cuts (like the Pentagon), while taking an axe to non-defense discretionary spending. These cuts outlined above total about $1 billion, while simply retiring (and not replacing) one carrier battle group and its aircraft wing would save $1.5 billion.

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
7:40 pm

“Do you believe in freedom of the press? Freedom of expression?”

No. Because he is a liberal, you may logically deduce that the only free speech he is in favor of is that which promotes a liberal worldview. All else is anathema – which is why, of course, he stays up till 3:00 in the morning every day deleting posts by me and all the other nutty conservatives to his blog.

josef

October 18th, 2011
7:41 pm

TruthBe

Don’t take it TOO hard, Wa’-do pulled one of mine not long ago, too and never told me why…but I forgave him for Yom Kippur.. :-)

Jm

October 18th, 2011
7:41 pm

Lil amvet’s big bro has shown up to help him out and he’s so excited

Well here are a few facts

The rich pay most if the taxes already
When including corporate taxes, they pay a higher rate as bloomberg pointed out
Around half of Americans don’t pay any income taxes and 30 million don’t pay a net tax when including even FICA because the EITCeans they get all their taxes back and more

Chew on that

josef

October 18th, 2011
7:44 pm

STRAWMAN

Oh, the Imam Torquemada is equal opportunity…he deletes liberals, too…and won’t tell us why either…

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
7:44 pm

If TruthBe desires true freedom of speech, there’s still room at any number of Occupy sites around the world. There’s bound to be one or more nearby.

As for kayaker, he knows the “object” of Jay’s desire since Jay has made it abjectly clear on more than one occassion.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Reefer Madness.

October 18th, 2011
7:45 pm

Go Figure, reading your analysis is what is “punishing”.

BHO only talks about rewarding the hard working people who built this country.

But he works for your heroes. The ones that are gonna trickle down on you one day and raise your and Jm’s boats…

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
7:46 pm

Chew on that

Cud you first provide something worth the chew.

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
7:47 pm

“Legalize pot and tax the hell out of it…that’d pay for it in short order…”

That is SO far out. Can we provide free education and healthcare to others besides just Mexicans who are here illegally (like, maybe, the whole world)? That would be righteous, dude. Hey, where’d you get that stuff, anyway?

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Reefer Madness.

October 18th, 2011
7:47 pm

Jeebus. More freedom of speech palaver?

(A certain banned female would be proud…)

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
7:48 pm

Jm

October 18th, 2011
7:51 pm

Sooth

If you play the game right, you can make $50k a year and not pay one cent. Which is ridiculous.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
7:53 pm

which is why, of course, he stays up till 3:00 in the morning every day deleting posts by me and all the other nutty conservatives to his blog.

What is the word I’m looking for here. I’m so perplexed. I do hope my paranoia does not get the better of me.

1811/0311

October 18th, 2011
7:53 pm

“Gallup: Majority of Americans back pot legalization”

So …………… we are a representative democracy and that issue like many others will be decided NOT by the majority of Americans (many of who may be on dope, addicted to alcohol, cigarettes or presricption drugs) but by their chosen representatives after due deliberation and after utlimately the Supreme Court has made their decision.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Reefer Madness.

October 18th, 2011
7:54 pm

There is no possible way that the United States of America – the richest county in the world – can afford paid education and/or health care for all of our citizens.

As evidenced by the fact that thirty something other democracies have done it for ages…

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
7:54 pm

“If you play the game right, you can make $50k a year and not pay one cent. Which is ridiculous.”

Not to mention a more extreme example in the form of GE. Oh…wait…was that politically incorrect? Mea culpa…it won’t happen again. Jay. I will simply obliquely refer to said corporation and its CEO as strong supporters of president Obama.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 18th, 2011
7:55 pm

Well, got my PBR and the fried pork skins and I’m all ready to watch the debate. I see that a couple people been took to the woodshed tonight so I ain’t saying nothing. The only new thing I learned was Aquagirl was in the Army. I figured she’d fill out a pair of combat boots pretty good.

Have a good night everybody.

Claire

October 18th, 2011
7:57 pm

cheech and chong are rolling over in their grave.

Fast and Furious Spending

October 18th, 2011
7:58 pm

Now this is the heart and soul of Bookman writing right here.

In the midst of mindless, wandering, larcenous and vacuous students defecating on cop cars everywhere; amidst the largest budget deficits in absolute terms and as % of GDP since WWII; while the government of Iran daunts and threatens its neighbors and the US; we’ve got a hot scoop on smoking dope.

Way to go, Jay.

Stick with the light stuff.

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
7:59 pm

“What is the word I’m looking for here. I’m so perplexed. I do hope my paranoia does not get the better of me.”

Fear not, senator, for you are considered a RINO by many. Me? I just think you’ve been to too many waffle houses…I mean you’ve waffled in da house…no…ah…never mind. I have been smoking too much of josef’s weed of late.

josef

October 18th, 2011
8:00 pm

STRAWMAN

You asked how to pay for it…that’d do it…

And, yes, I’m for free education K-BA for everybody…an educated work force and population is a productive one. But, I see you’ve now zeroed in on the Mexicans…

I bet a Gay Mexican Jew would cause your head to explode! :-)

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
8:01 pm

I’m glad my fellow Republicans lack the sense to question where that 750 billion dollars goes to that we approve every year for the Department of Defense because it was getting tiring pulling that same old story year after year about how horrible life is in the torturous hands of capitalists… dammit… I mean commies. Sing with me. Bomb bomb bomb. How does the rest of that song go. I wish I could get a piece. Has anyone seen my viagra bottle.

Jm

October 18th, 2011
8:01 pm

Straw

Its ridiculous (slightly more so) when millionaires don’t pay taxes because of all the loopholes

Ditto corps. Immelt is a republican for the record and a good one.

Claire

October 18th, 2011
8:02 pm

It would be real cool if Chris Angel came onstage and made all the goper’s disappear.

Fast and Furious Spending

October 18th, 2011
8:03 pm

Soothsayer,

Of course, the cuts (change to “taxes”) consist of reductions to common GOP (change to Dems) bogeymen like the National Endowment for the Arts and Amtrak (change to “rich”). But the House Republicans (change to Senate Dems) have a preoccupation with (not) cutting programs that affect women and their babies. For instance, the GOP (Dems) proposed and succeeded in obtaining the biggest budget in American history: 3.6 trillion dollars.

Even with this increase in spending over the previous year, Democrats still say it isn’t enough. Despite also the failure of the first stimulus to grow the economy as Barack Obama said, Democrats cling to the old story.

How you like me using your words against you, Sooth?

It’s as easy for me as playing with yourself is for you.

josef

October 18th, 2011
8:04 pm

Strawman…
Ain’t had no weed in a l–o-o-ng time…so it wasn’t mine…one of my jobs has random drug testing (and it IS one that I don’t object too much to, invasion of privacy, yes, but I signed a contract agreeing to it, so…)

Claire

October 18th, 2011
8:05 pm

bachmann looks like princess leia on xanax….

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:05 pm

“It’s as easy for me as playing with yourself is for you.”

Huh?

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:06 pm

Is anyone else having audio problems with CNN or is it just me?

Claire

October 18th, 2011
8:07 pm

anderson cooper is reporting that two men onstage are wearing magic underwear tonight.

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
8:07 pm

“You asked how to pay for it…that’d do it…”

Did you consult Cain’s economist to know this?

And, yes, I’m for free education K-BA for everybody…an educated work force and population is a productive one. But, I see you’ve now zeroed in on the Mexicans…

“Dang…you have uncovered the racism I try so very hard to conceal! Stupid me, to think that you might suppose I specifically mentioned Mexicans because they make up the greatest portion of illegal immigrants in this country.”

“I bet a Gay Mexican Jew would cause your head to explode!”

Except the Cheney already has. And how did you know I hate Jews and gays as well??? Man, I can’t slip anything past you. That’s it: I’m not responding to anymore of your posts…you just are too sharp.

Gary

October 18th, 2011
8:09 pm

Sooth. Toss off, tosser.

josef

October 18th, 2011
8:11 pm

STRAWMAN

Hate? I never used that word…

Not responding any more…aw, hurt my feelings, would you…

Ricky B

October 18th, 2011
8:11 pm

Liberals are real dumb. Like Frenchy. Not American.

Americans wanna go fast.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:13 pm

“Sooth. Toss off, tosser.”

Gary, between you and Spending you win for most cryptic (hard to understand) posts. BTW you might want to review Jay’s rules about personal insults on this blog lest you find yourself banned.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
8:15 pm

Fast and Furious Spending

Have you tried cutting off the engine before you close the garage door. It worked wonders for me the first few times.

Ricky B

October 18th, 2011
8:15 pm

I like Rick Perry

He likes fast cars and fast women

Ricky B

October 18th, 2011
8:17 pm

America wants to first.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:17 pm

Jay, somebody left the door open and a fly got into the blog!

Strawman

October 18th, 2011
8:18 pm

Out. Gn all…

Ricky B

October 18th, 2011
8:18 pm

….. To be first

Huh

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
8:20 pm

anderson cooper is reporting that two men onstage are wearing magic underwear tonight.

Sears was having a sale in the little boys department on Superboy and Robin tights. The truth will be told once we hear them hit their high notes.

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
8:22 pm

I thought Obama and the Democrats were bringing Hope and Change (since 2006).

More like son of beech, sheet and more of the same.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
8:23 pm

So the Republican front runners square off in Sim City. That’s Herman’s home turf. He’s a shoe in. And I like his ideas for fences too. I get all electrified just thinking about it. My overpaid workers won’t get away next time.

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
8:23 pm

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:24 pm

Simplify = raise taxes on poor.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
8:26 pm

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:27 pm

McCain: that’s just so bad on so many levels!

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Reefer Madness.

October 18th, 2011
8:28 pm

betty, please tell me you’re being facetious. (grin)

The only thing that changes is the furniture, I suppose.

And why we got us some long missing civil disobedience…

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:28 pm

Jist cut them taxes and all them jobs’ll come flyin’ home from China!

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:29 pm

I’s for healthcare reform before healthcare reform was cool!

Ricky B

October 18th, 2011
8:31 pm

Winners win.

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
8:32 pm

Obama will continue to argue himself on the taxpayer dime.

If it doesn’t work out in ‘12, there’s always mayor of Chicago.

Frankly, I’m surprised Michelle allows him to run again in ‘12.

She should drop the child obesity schtick and go with the “legalize it” mantra

Birds eat it. And they love it!

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
8:34 pm

Were the GOP candidates informed ahead of time that the casino staff are all unionized illegal immigrants. This could get interesting.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:35 pm

Michele, the only thing you’re gonna win is a foot-long corn dog.

Ricky B

October 18th, 2011
8:37 pm

If there’s one thing America can’t stand, it’s commies.

Ricky B

October 18th, 2011
8:41 pm

Americans are winners. And we don’t like slow growth and crummy employment.

Obama needs to git’er done. But it’s gonna take somebody new. Someone who likes to go fast.

Joe COOL

October 18th, 2011
8:42 pm

Rick Perry change the WHOLE dayum subject didnt he..lol

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:42 pm

Rick done took his testosterone shot tonight!

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:46 pm

Kinda like one of them “bug-zapper” thingies. You know?

bman

October 18th, 2011
8:48 pm

Rick Perry is done.

Joe COOL

October 18th, 2011
8:49 pm

WOW…did she just blame the Prez and call out the Prez family who are illegally here?

1811/0311

October 18th, 2011
8:49 pm

josef:

“SWAP: 1,027 PALESTINIANS FOR 1 ISRAELI…”

That’s about right …………………..

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:50 pm

‘At’s rot! Ever body needs to spake English! Not some furin language!

1811/0311

October 18th, 2011
8:50 pm

“Headline” : “Senators urge MLB to ban tobacco products during World Series, in effort to fight growing use among youths”

BUT POT IS O.K.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:51 pm

It would be lot’s easier to build a fence around employers who hire illegal immigrants.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:52 pm

Rick done got booed! This ain’t going so well for ol’ Rick!

Joe COOL

October 18th, 2011
8:55 pm

lol…Nobody applauded the Latino guys question. Poor guy, when will he get it through his head that words like Latino, Hispanic means ILLEGAL regardless of citizen or not.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
8:55 pm

Personally I don’t care one way or another about this issue. Go ahead and legalize it to take out the criminal element and use the tax proceeds to rehab programs for drug and alcohol addicts. But I think we all know that instead of that happening what we will probably see is America becoming even more mired in moral decline and lazier and fatter and the tax money taken from pot sales will just get squandered by the politicians rather than being put back into rehab programs. Just more money for the pols to blow on failed socialist policies. In other news Obama’s assault on America continues but at this point its now barely a year before we can stop his war against the nation dead in its tracks.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:56 pm

Everybody just needs to open a Godfather’s Pizza joint!

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
8:57 pm

Barack Obama is a fraud.

He really should probably be undermined and ushered off to that graveyard of single-term presidents.

He clearly deserves it.

What a fraud.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
8:58 pm

I think we have a handle hijacker here!

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
8:58 pm

“when will he get it through his head that words like Latino, Hispanic means ILLEGAL regardless of citizen or not.”

Perhaps some people think in that ignorant fashion. Most don’t

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:00 pm

Tell it! Ron!

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
9:00 pm

The sooner that progressive forces in this country can dump Barack Obama like a bad habit — and I mean do it yesterday — the sooner it will have a chance to climb out of the giant hole this fraud has dug for it. There’s no way to overestimate what an Orwellian joke he is.

I think even Romney would be better than this fraud.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
9:01 pm

Strawman: Yes, it would likely kill the individual. So, that being the case, should it be legal (or moral) to sell it to another person (I mean, because it’s just a plant, right)?

Because that is equatable to pot, since pot KILLS you if you smoke it?

No, you shouldn’t be allowed to knowingly sell, or buy, a prepared set of poison ivy leaves to smoke if it does indeed kill you when you smoke it. As such, pot SHOULD be sold, since it is not something that kills you (in fact, it has positive medical properties).

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
9:02 pm

Evening folks. Sorry, got a little excited there.

Guess you can tell what my opinion of the man from no-Hope is.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
9:02 pm

I think TruthBe doesn’t tell the truth because he doesn’t really believe there is any such thing.

Hint: TruthBe, you’re NOT telling the truth when you express opinions. It’s just opinion.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
9:02 pm

Scout: but by their chosen representatives after due deliberation and after ultimately the Supreme Court has made their decision.

I am not seeing any deliberations or court cases on this matter.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
9:03 pm

BTW Scout….

HEADLINE: Man Killed to Death

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:03 pm

Welcome to the occupation: I don’t who you are, but no one believes you and WTTO. Why would you steal someone’s handle?

1811/0311

October 18th, 2011
9:04 pm

HEADLINE: “President Obama has taken nearly every opportunity lately to express support for the “Occupy Wall Street” protesters, but he failed to meet with some of the activists when he had the chance on his southern bus trip.”

Hummmmm ………….. speak with fork-ed tongue ?

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:04 pm

1811

1027 Palestinians all to get 1 Israeli soldier back. That pretty much sums up the decency and humanity of the Israelis and the glaring lack of decency and respect for human life of the Muslims.

Incidentally anyone notice how lilly white with multitudes of young 20 something year old men the OWS crowds are? Are they racist like the also mostly white tea party? Judging by all the viscious anti Jewish bigoted comments about Zionist bankers and Jews running the banks and wall street and ruining the nation I would say this is about as bigoted a group of protesters as Ive ever seen. Many in that group have no problem blaming the Jews for the wall st mess. You know its a bigoted movement when all the anti semitism starts boiling up.

1811/0311

October 18th, 2011
9:05 pm

Adam:

That’s cause it’s already been decided.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
9:06 pm

Did all the clowns say no energy subsidies? Are they advocating for removal of oil subsidies or is that an “exception”? :roll:

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
9:08 pm

Yep, here we go. It’s gut check time for the Democratic party. The big whigs are in a Texas-sized tizzy over even the Dems’ lukewarm embrace of OWS. Here’s the stooge Schoen writing in the Wall Street Urinal today:

Thus Occupy Wall Street is a group of engaged progressives who are disillusioned with the capitalist system and have a distinct activist orientation. Among the general public, by contrast, 41% of Americans self-identify as conservative, 36% as moderate, and only 21% as liberal. That’s why the Obama-Pelosi embrace of the movement could prove catastrophic for their party.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576637082965745362.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:08 pm

Apparently we have a handle hijacker. But judging from his comments it looks like he has a handle on the truth.

Ricky B

October 18th, 2011
9:08 pm

Trotsky is disappointed with Obama

So sad. It will get better. Romney is good. He wants to go fast.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:08 pm

How can I serve my corporate masters and still convince the public that “I’m doing something for them.”

Adam

October 18th, 2011
9:09 pm

Scout: I love it. Your head is going to explode so many times over during the next few decades, and I can’t wait to see it each and every time.

Pot will be legalized, the health care law will be declared constitutional, Citizens United will be overturned, homosexuals will gain equal rights, and progress will be made despite your efforts and the efforts of those like you to repeal the 20th century.

Have fun living in the future.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:10 pm

RickyB: have you ever thought about getting some professional help?

Don't Forget

October 18th, 2011
9:10 pm

Trotsky knows a lot about frauds, knows it first hand.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
9:10 pm

WTTO: That’s why the Obama-Pelosi embrace of the movement could prove catastrophic for their party.

I don’t think so.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
9:11 pm

And Doom posts again without facts. OWS is “bigoted” but Tea Party only has a few “racist” members. Accepting the claim (for argument purposes, not as reality), all of OWS is bad but not all of the Tea Party despite proven leadership by racists is still okay with Doomy.

Ricky B

October 18th, 2011
9:12 pm

Sooth. Only after I was on fire. My friends and my daddy helped. A lot.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:14 pm

1811,

Obama may have failed to meet with the wall st occupy kooks but in a show of solidarity Obama pooped on a cop car and peed on the sidewalk. It was his way of giving a shout out of support to the kook occupyers.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:14 pm

Scout and Del and USMC and Kayaker71 and others on this blog rail against “socialism,” yet they can’t wait for that pension check to arrive each month. They put in 20 years “on the job” in the military and get a guaranteed income for life. Not just theirs but the surviving wives as well. And they’re sure glad they have that government-provided healthcare for life. All on my dime.

Kinda like those evil, greedy unions would like to secure for American workers. Imagine their reaction to American workers working for 20 years on the job and getting a secure pension for life and excellent healthcare.

Kinda nice to be a socialist isn’t it, fellas?

Steve - USA

October 18th, 2011
9:16 pm

Ricky,

Don’t worry about Sooth acting like he is the sane one. Wait until you see his 9-11 Powerpoint presentation.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:17 pm

Just 13 more days ’til that check hits the bank account!

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:17 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
9:11 pm
“And Doom posts again without facts”

Sez the one who thinks when he posts his opinion that it is somehow a fact and that when someone else posts an opinion keep then makes the dubious claim that they are positing their statement as fact rather than opinion when they are in fact making no such claim. keep up the sorry fight needs some help with his critical thinking skills.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
9:20 pm

TruthBe October 17th, 2011 5:05 pm:
Obama is the MOST corrupt of them all and he is down and dirty about it. Chicago Thugs are proud of him.
Not True.

TruthBe October 17th, 2011 6:22 pm
Obama has more “czars” than any other persident.
Not True.

TruthBe October 12th, 2011 9:41 pm
Obama who hasn’t any experiences running anything.
Not True.

Hey, I think I see a pattern here!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
9:20 pm

So Doom admits I was right…he does not post facts, merely opinion posing as if it is somehow fact.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
9:22 pm

…Obama pooped on a cop car and peed on the sidewalk. It was his way of giving a shout out of support to the kook occupyers.[sic]

I see that someone is blogging while drunk again.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
9:23 pm

I have to use those word things to help me remember what I wanted to say. You know like hotdogs Armor hotdogs. What kind of kids eat armor hot dogs. Bomb bomb. Fat kids. Skinny kids. Oh yeh. Those Republican candidates are not losers. They’re a bunch of weiners. Where’s John Kerry. He said I could have all the free ketchup samples I wanted. I like the beach boys. Is it 2008 yet. I think I’m supposed to throw a hail mary or bomb bomb bomb.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:24 pm

“all of OWS is bad but not all of the Tea Party despite proven leadership by racists is still okay with Doomy.”-keep up

Keep up has many problems and issues. But I think his biggest issue is thinking that he can read minds. Probably wins a lot of court cases with that mind reading ability of his.

Steve - USA

October 18th, 2011
9:24 pm

Wow…I see the whole Soros staff is here tonight. I hope you are getting OT and not just a base salary.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:25 pm

I see that someone is blogging while drunk again.- kamchak

Kammy the poo,

When I’m drunk is the only time you or keep up make sense to me.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
9:26 pm

…I see the whole Soros staff is here tonight.

Soros…. I just got a BINGO!

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:26 pm

Glad to see the Koch heads are represented here tonight!

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:26 pm

Steve-USA,

I call it the tweedledee and tweedledum show when my 2 favorite kooks show up.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
9:26 pm

Scout and Del and USMC and Kayaker71 and others on this blog rail against “socialism,” yet they can’t wait for that pension check to arrive each month.

Should we tell them that the federal has no reserve and that when they get their wish of no more taxes, their checks will bounce like silly putty. Maybe not. We’ll save the good news for later.

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
9:27 pm

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:27 pm

Oh! Hail yes! Let’s get out of Iraq and into Iran! Why not? What’s wrong with $20/gallon gasoline?

bman

October 18th, 2011
9:28 pm

when will some of the candidates begin to withdraw from their nomination hopes?

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:28 pm

Always with the insults!

Steve - USA

October 18th, 2011
9:30 pm

Thulsa,

I can’t believe isn’t going to show his 9-11 presentation tonight. I was hoping he would have a twin bill with his evidence the moon landing was a hoax.

But we are the crazy ones who don’t have any facts.

josef

October 18th, 2011
9:30 pm

Scout

That exchange is going over like a lead balloon on the street in Israel and DC is in a snit over who was released…

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:30 pm

Keep,

I took the liberty of once again correcting your typos.

So Doom admits keep was wrong…keep does not post facts, merely opinion posing as if it is somehow fact.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
9:31 pm

Steve: Wow…I see the whole Soros staff is here tonight.

Seriously, do you guys really think this? You act like every single person in the world can be motivated out of being moral simply by receiving money for doing so. I can only guess that if you do think so, it is because you think everyone is motivated by and thinks the same way that YOU do.

Just because YOU would throw your morals out the window for a check from Murdoch, that doesn’t mean that anyone who is saying something you disagree with MUST be taking money in order to say those things, and would otherwise be silent or see things your way.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
9:31 pm

I should have promised free gas and no taxes. Dammit. Is it 2008 yet. I know there’s something I was gonna do then.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:31 pm

Steve – USA: I have posted a feature-length video numerous occasions about 9/11. It features opinions of Engineers and Architects. You think that by insulting me, the truth about the events will not eventually come out. You’re wrong.

Steve - USA

October 18th, 2011
9:34 pm

Adam,

When the same people post every 5 minutes of every day they either are in jail or this is their job. I would love for Jay to do a printout of the number of posts by each poster.

People like you do more posts in a day than I do in a month. If you feel so strong about it start an organization and get off your butt.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:35 pm

Steve- USA,

I dont know that sooth still believes in the 9/11 inside job theory anymore. He and I discussed it one night and the main pillar of his belief was that steel cannot be melted by the fire and heat produced by the jets crashing. It took me a whole 5 minutes to produce a credible scientific response that showed that the steel could not be melted. But it didnt have to be as it is a known, proven scientific fact that the steel merely has to be weakened by the fire and that the steel’s strength would have been weakend up to 90 percent by the temps that we know were reached by the fire. So I think he kind of dropped the theory after he learned that.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:36 pm

Steve – USA: in case you haven’t noticed, we’re all watching the debate. Who cares how many times Adam posts a day. Hell, we’ve have Fright Wing posters who post thousands of posts every day. Unfortunately, they have all been banned.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
9:36 pm

That Michelle Bachmann is hot. If I was running for president, I’d offer to make her my vp. Is it 2008 yet. Bomb bomb bomb free gas. Illegals are people too… dammit… Corporations are people too. What’d I say.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:37 pm

Steve- USA,

Adam is that trust fund kid that is one of the leaders of the OWS protests. Protesting and complaining is his full time job.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
9:38 pm

Thulsa proved that the snake is mightier than the steel sword. Arnold is still having a hissy fit over that one.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:38 pm

Steve, Thulsa: I am simply not going to discuss that issue tonight. Come back tomorrow and I’ll be glad to take it up with you then.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
9:39 pm

Steve: Like I said, you’re incorrect. Especially when you say:

People like you do more posts in a day than I do in a month

I am very frequently not here posting. That you don’t notice that makes little difference to reality.

Ricky B

October 18th, 2011
9:39 pm

Steve. Not worried. I’m too fast for sooth.

1811/0311

October 18th, 2011
9:40 pm

Thulsa:

Ouch !

Adam:

Don’t hold your breath. Time will tell ………… time will tell.

Steve - USA

October 18th, 2011
9:40 pm

Thulsa,

That explains it. For some reason I thought he worked at the Post Office.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
9:42 pm

Steve’s mail should start getting lost. He deserves as much.

Eleanor Roosevelt

October 18th, 2011
9:42 pm

Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
9:42 pm

Thulsa Doom: Adam is that trust fund kid that is one of the leaders of the OWS protests. Protesting and complaining is his full time job.

Thank you for proving that you do, in fact, lie and make stuff up without any facts to back it up.

In case I wasn’t clear, you are wrong on ALL of what you said there.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
9:43 pm

1811 must have gotten bit by Thulsa. Do you need to borrow my slightly used snakebite kit.

Steve - USA

October 18th, 2011
9:43 pm

Alright watch the debate sooth, I was just killing 15 minutes while the family wrapped presents for my B-day tomorrow.

As Always…Health and Happiness to everyone.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:44 pm

Adam: in case you haven’t figured it out yet, the only thing the Fright Wing has is personal attacks. They don’t have anything substantive to say, only deriding other posters.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:45 pm

Sooth,

I am going to try and be as respectful as I can to you on this 9/11 thing. You and I have discussed this briefly on 3 or more occassions and every time I have provided scientific proof that repudiates what you believe happened you come back with “I’m done discussing this for the night”. No offense but it seems to me that you just saw one video or a couple of videos from one side only and decided it was the sure fire truth without investigating any of the mounds of evidence that clearly and easily refute everything about the consipracy. It took me all of 5 minutes to research and discover that while it is scientific fact that that fire couldnt have melted the beams as you indeed stated it is also scientific fact that the fire didn’t need to melt the beams- that the fire was hot enough to reduce the tensile strength up to 90 percent and that was enough to weaken and topple the beams. Why is it you refuse to see other evidence? Evidence that quite easily refutes the conspiracy theories.

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
9:46 pm

So you guys thought I was name jacking earlier?

Nope. It’s me! :)

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
9:46 pm

I was just killing 15 minutes while the family wrapped presents for my B-day tomorrow.

Just what we need, another birther.

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
9:47 pm

OMG, Mitt wit just said he had spent his career in the private sector “creating jobs”.

I think I’m going to be sick.

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
9:48 pm

I don’t really care how long the “occupiers” stay.

But lets call a spade a spade.

They are no longer occupiers, they are squatters.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:48 pm

McCain for prez,

Next I’m a gonna crucify one of them libruls and hang him from the tree of woe.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
9:48 pm

How was the loser debate?

I was at the casinio and never seen it so empty.

Billybob

October 18th, 2011
9:49 pm

‘I have no idea what outside force might be driving it.’
Comical Jay…..it’s called liberalism…….it’s easy……it’s anything goes……liberalism is the easy choice……honor, values and integrity that conservatives espouse are the hard choices that liberals continue to try to destroy on a daily basis…..class over

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
9:50 pm

I just tuned in. Anybody in the crowd cheer baby-killing yet?

ODD OWL

October 18th, 2011
9:50 pm

@ POGO 6:06 pm post…. You must be smoking some of that Acapulco Gold… (good stuff) We Democrats are going to make sure that Herman Cain win the Republican nomination for President. In all the states that permit Democrats to cross party lines and vote in the Republican primaries, we Dems will turn out in massive numbers and vote for Herman Cain. In the gerenal election, President Obama will win at least 75% of the vote and will be asured of winning re-election by a landslide.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
9:50 pm

Billybob: honor, values and integrity that conservatives espouse

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

That was a good laugh. Thanks for that.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:51 pm

Adam

October 18th, 2011
9:42 pm

Thulsa Doom: Adam is that trust fund kid that is one of the leaders of the OWS protests. Protesting and complaining is his full time job.

Thank you for proving that you do, in fact, lie and make stuff up without any facts to back it up.- Adam

Adam,

Good grief son. Can’t you realize that I’m just joking with you You can’t possibly think I was serious when I said you were that trust fund kid on tv at the ows protests. Get a sense of humor dude. Lighten up Frances.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:51 pm

Billybob

October 18th, 2011
9:51 pm

soothsayer,
liberal projection template warning…..i think you are talking about hussein and what he is ALWAYS saying…..easy

USMC

October 18th, 2011
9:52 pm

Boy, I am liking Ron Paul more and more.

(I don’t receive a pension OR retirement of any kind from the Federal Government: just for the record) :-)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
9:53 pm

The line of real cowards after posing lies: “I’m just joking”

getalife

October 18th, 2011
9:53 pm

usmc,

Paul has a funny ad running attacking romney and perry.

Great stuff.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:53 pm

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
9:50 pm

I just tuned in. Anybody in the crowd cheer baby-killing yet?

Nope. They are all still grieving over the death of Joe Tiller the baby killer.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
9:53 pm

Can’t you realize that I’m just joking with you

And thelma plays the “I was just kidding” card.

Soooooooooooooooo predictable.

lynnie gal

October 18th, 2011
9:54 pm

Let’s legalize it, let those in prison for possession out, regulate it for safety (and quality,) tax it and pay off our deficit. From reading some of these posts, it’ll also free our creativity and spawn new markets. It’ll put people back to work–unless they’re having too much fun smoking and eating doughnuts to work.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
9:56 pm

Sure sounds like some folks here tonight have had too much to drink! Maybe you should try and sleep it off.

USMC

October 18th, 2011
9:58 pm

“Paul has a funny ad running attacking romney and perry. Great stuff.”–Getalife

Hey Getalife, What’s up Brother!?!

I really like Ron Paul. I understand that he might not be as electable, but I like his positions for the most part. I agree with Ron Paul that we can cut military spending Without compromising national security. We should also drastically cut foreign aid.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
9:58 pm

Thulsa: Can’t you realize that I’m just joking with you You can’t possibly think I was serious when I said you were that trust fund kid on tv at the ows protests.

It’s not like you haven’t said stuff that was more crazy than that before. You gave absolutely no indication that you were joking at all. You might want to try to watch that if you really want me, or anyone else, to KNOW that you’re joking. Try one of these: ;)

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
9:58 pm

Thulsa has done in five minutes what people with supercomputers and appropriate educations could not complete in months. Phil Gramm left my team and I think I need someone in 2008. Will you work for me, Thulsa. You could be my five minute expert. Is it 2008 yet.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
10:00 pm

Either that or someone left the door open at the “Institute.” Escapees again! They always seem to know when Jay’s not around.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:00 pm

keep up,

Even you cant possibly be so incredibly dumb that you thought I was serious when I said that Adam was that trust fund kid on tv. Does your mind understand the concept of facetiousness dry humor?

As for calling someone a coward thats easy for someone to do when they are hiding behind a keyboard and the toughest they get is to tell someone they will meet them at a crowded starbucks in the middle of a mall to avoid the possible buttkicking that would ensue in say an empty parking lot. The irony of you calling someone else a coward. How funny. Mr. northpoint mall internet starbucks tough guy. So tough that when another poster said he would like to meet you in a parking lot you opted for the safety of a starbucks inside the mall. You’re like a sheep, cowering in the safety of numbers because what happens to a lone sheep when they encounter a wolf. They get slaughtered. You’re the sheep. And I’m the big bad wolf mr. north point mall starbucks internet tough guy.

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
10:03 pm

I think Rick Sanatorium is finished.

USMC

October 18th, 2011
10:03 pm

“Either that or someone left the door open at the “Institute.” Escapees again! They always seem to know when Jay’s not around.”

Actually they are all down at OCCUPY WALL STREET/Woodruff Park. :-)

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
10:03 pm

So tough that when another poster said he would like to meet you in a parking lot you opted for the safety of a starbucks inside the mall.

Not intended to be a factual statement.

USMC

October 18th, 2011
10:04 pm

“I think Rick Sanatorium is finished.”–Leon

He comes off as a Douche! :-)

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:04 pm

McCain,

Can’t run with you. I have too much fun messing with the libruls on the late night Bookman blog. Nice scientific research you pulled up on the 9/11 collapse. I would hope sooth would take a few minutes to read it.

USMC

October 18th, 2011
10:05 pm

Does anyone know where I can get an autographed poster of Michelle Bachmann eating that Corn-dog at the fair??? :-)

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
10:05 pm

You know, I don’t we need to be threatening anyone here with physical violence. That is a crime — it’s called simple assault. You need to tone it down a little.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
10:06 pm

someone’s speedos are in a real wad tonight….. meltdown! And more lies….

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:06 pm

kammy,

Sorry but I witnessed the whole thing. Keep and this con had a running feud and the con challenged him to a ahem meeting in a parking lot. Keep opted for a meeting in the north point mall at the starbucks where lots of people would be around. And to think he now calls someone else a coward. Oh but the irony of it all. And yes kammy the poo. Those are the FACTS of what happened.

USMC

October 18th, 2011
10:07 pm

“Not intended to be a factual statement.”–Koatcheck

Sounds like Koatcheck is losing an argument AGAIN! What a Pansie! :-)

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
10:09 pm

Thulsa, you think you’ve got this all nailed down. I invite you to watch the video I posted at 9:51. I know it’s long, but you can save it to your bookmarks (or what have you). You may find that your mind is changed about this issue. I think those on this video are just a little more knowledgeable about this issue than you are.

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
10:09 pm

Can’t run with you. I have too much fun messing with the libruls on the late night Bookman blog. Nice scientific research you pulled up on the 9/11 collapse. I would hope sooth would take a few minutes to read it.

I’m sure that if he did, he would note the author’s appropriate use of the words “assume” and “assumption”. Now please join my team for 2008. I really need a good five minute go to kind of guy.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:10 pm

Hah! I knew it. I just knew it. I was just dying last night to hear speedos. You really let me down when you didnt pull that card. I just knew it would come out sooner or later. I just knew it. Keep up fantasizing about me in a pair of speedos.Something freudian about keep and his obsession with me in a pair of speedos. What happened to the bit about Zeus? Im rather disappointed that you left that out. Thanks keep. You made my evening. Im a little upset though that you left out the zeus bit. Don’t let it happen again. Ya hear!

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
10:11 pm

Does anyone know where I can get an autographed poster of Michelle Bachmann eating that Corn-dog at the fair???

You could always buy her a corndog and deliver it.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
10:11 pm

Thulsa: Keep opted for a meeting in the north point mall at the starbucks where lots of people would be around.

Suppose he did? If the con then does not take him up on that offer, who’s the real coward? Someone who won’t meet in a space that will be devoid of people, or someone who won’t meet if they will be in public and unable to physically attack him without facing charges?

That’s rhetorical. The real coward is the con. All talk and too cowardly to meet with someone, in public, he wants to attack physically.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
10:12 pm

McCain for Resident

October 18th, 2011
10:12 pm

Time for me to go. That snake guy is fantasizing about speedos.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:13 pm

Sooth,

I did watch some of the video but quickly became disinterested as even a lay person like me could punch through it. I would urge you to read the link that McCain posted to me at 9:58. It shows very clearly in a scientific manner exactly how the building collapsed. That’s really all that needs to be said.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
10:13 pm

No thelma it went like this:

Swampy nowhere man: I’ll meet you any time any place you choose.

Keep: Starbuck’s at Northpoint mall on Saturday.

Swampy nowhere man: Fine. I’ll be there.

30 minutes later

Swampy nowhere man: No way I am going into a mall

USMC

October 18th, 2011
10:13 pm

Someone PLEASE tell me that “SOOTHSAYER” doesn’t believe that the U.S. government or George W. Bush is responsible for 9/11…. Please say it ain’t so! I am sure I misread that… :-)

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
10:13 pm

Well, that’s the answer, then. If you don’t agree with someone, just call them out! Duke it out and may the best man win! How stupid.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
10:15 pm

USMC: That’s exactly what I’m saying. Although not necessarily W, he’s too stupid to be involved. I invite you also to watch the video I posted at 9:51 and make your own decision.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:17 pm

Adam,

Sorry but I think we just have different opinions of who was the coward. The con was willing to meet him out in the open, man to man, and settle their differences. Keep wanted the protection of a crowd to keep from getting his butt whupped. That’s the way it went down. Plain and simple. Personally I wouldnt have gone as it was a lose lose situation for both. Keep looks like a coward and if the con would have went what could he do? Kick keeps butt in front of a crowd of a 1000 people and just end up in jail?

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
10:17 pm

See, USMC, you and Thulsa and others on this blog think that I’m embarrassed about my views on 9/11. Nothing could be further from the truth. I LOVE TO TALK ABOUT IT! Because, eventually, the truth will come out. You simply can’t keep the truth hidden forever.

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
10:19 pm

I think Cain’s money is on a cabinet position in a Romney administration.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
10:19 pm

Thulsa: The con was willing to meet him out in the open, man to man, and settle their differences

This is not the proper way to settle differences.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:21 pm

kamchak,

However it went down if you got issues to settle mano a mano dont opt for a crowded coffee shop in the middle of a mall. Opt for a 3rd rate bar with some people in it where nobody is going to pull a gun but also where nobody cares if there is just some good old fashioned fisticuffs where 2 men settle differences the old fashioned way. Starbucks though inside a crowded mall? You gotta be kidding me.

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
10:21 pm

Newt was far and away the winner in tonight’s debate. He states that he would challenge Bozo to three Lincoln-Douglas type debates, three hours in length with no moderator. I would pay a good price to see this. They are scared to death of this possibility. Newt would hand him his hat.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
10:21 pm

The con was willing to meet him out in the open, man to man, and settle their differences.

No, swampy nowhere man said he would meet Keep anytime anywhere and when Keep said Starbuck’s on Saturday, swampy nowhere man agreed.

Then backed out 30 minutes later.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
10:23 pm

However it went down…

And there we have it.

Moving the goalposts.

Sooooooooooooo predictable.

Soothsayer

October 18th, 2011
10:23 pm

Gosh! I think we’ve certainly beaten this whole macho thing to death, haven’t we?

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
10:24 pm

Sounds like a lot of chest thumping to me.

USMC

October 18th, 2011
10:24 pm

“USMC: That’s exactly what I’m saying. Although not necessarily W, he’s too stupid to be involved. I invite you also to watch the video I posted at 9:51 and make your own decision.”

Sooth, I will watch it with an open mind.
How is it that GW Bush is stupid??? The guy graduated from Yale AND Harvard Business School??? Where did you graduate from Sooth???
That’s what I thought. It’s ok, I didn’t go to Harvard or Yale either. :-)

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:25 pm

Sooth.

I dont think that you are embarrassed in what you think really happened on 9/11. Clearly you are not. I just think that you are wrong and that you are simply unwillingly to look at the overwhelming evidence that shows that there was no conspiracy. I wont ridicule your belief but I will question why you have zero interest in looking at the overwhelming evidence showing no conspiracy.

It is the sign of an intelligent mind to entertain a thought without having to accept it.- Alfred Nobel.

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
10:25 pm

Kayaker: “Newt was far and away the winner in tonight’s debate.”

Too bad he’s not in the running. He did have a real point at the end. The whole lot of them came off badly — again.

bman

October 18th, 2011
10:26 pm

is soothsayer talking about 9/11 inside job again??? holy cannoli

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
10:27 pm

and who brought it up? Thumper Doom…. another silly blogger like NIF/GLL hiding cowardice with threats of violence, when they can’t win with words.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:27 pm

Kamchak,

No goal post moving. I will reiterate the point so that even you can understand it. Saying that you will meet someone in a starbucks in the middle of a crowded mall is just a cowardly copout. Plain and simple. And you freaking know it.

USMC

October 18th, 2011
10:27 pm

“I think Cain’s money is on a cabinet position in a Romney administration.”–Trotsky

LOL! You did the same EXACT thing with Comrade Stalin! Have you forgotten already?? :-)

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
10:28 pm

Trotsky,

Everyone came off bad except Newt. It happens most every time. He seems to have the most level head of the group. I would hate to have to debate him in open forum on most any subject. Can’t you just see Bozo and him on the same stage?

USMC

October 18th, 2011
10:29 pm

I liked RON PAUL! He makes a lot of sense and would make a REAL difference as a President.

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
10:30 pm

Dudes,

I have a room about 16×32 foot, with mattress on the walls where ya’ll can fight.

You wussies just waive your rights for injuries, you’re in.

You can fight the first night.

You win, you keep fighting.

Good luck, gentlemen.

quest33

October 18th, 2011
10:30 pm

Women–46%. Could it be because they are mothers concerned for their children? Women married to or living with potheads? We are in decline when revenue becomes more important than children.

Next thing you know, it will be a frio, a fry daddy, a jim jones or a juice joint.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
10:31 pm

kayaker: Can’t you just see Bozo and him on the same stage?

At least it wouldn’t be a shout fest.

I can’t wait for one of these others to get up there against Obama. Especially if it’s Cain. Cain will be nothing but empty talk and attacks, and Obama will point out his flaws, to which he will respond with “that is simply incorrect” or “you’re talking about oranges” or something like that.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:31 pm

Keep up,

Winning with words? Oh. You mean like just silly blanket allegations that when you dont like what someone is saying you just say that they are lying? Good grief you are the king of silliness on this blog. I made a joke that Adam was the guy on TV at the OWS protests who is actually a trust fund kid and you and Adam ran with it and started calling me a liar over what was obviously a joke to any rational, clear thinking, sane person. Good God. What sort of a person wouldn’t realize that was a joke? Better yet what manner of an idiot wouldn’t understand that was a joke?

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
10:32 pm

I think we’ve certainly beaten this whole macho thing to death, haven’t we?

Quietly thanking the FSM I’m not a guy. That testosterone kicks in and it’s like y’all are crackheads or something. :)

USMC

October 18th, 2011
10:32 pm

Who is Gloria Borger banging at CNN to keep her job??
David Gergin is driving me crazy.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
10:33 pm

Thulsa: Adam ran with it and started calling me a liar over what was obviously a joke to any rational, clear thinking, sane person. Good God. What sort of a person wouldn’t realize that was a joke? Better yet what manner of an idiot wouldn’t understand that was a joke?

Alright people, let’s go over this. Go back to his post, here. Tell me, and Thulsa, if you think that could be determined to be a joke if you didn’t already know it was a joke.

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
10:34 pm

Adam,

Newt probably will not get the nomination. It will probably go to Romney, who is very qualified. Cain is the only candidate with a plan to revise our tax code, however. We could sure use some of his ideas. Santorum was a bit too confrontational but Newt, with his level head, blew them all away.

bman

October 18th, 2011
10:34 pm

Kayaker….Newt has said openly how much he dislikes the republicans attacking each other. I thought Mitt Romney did well, but Newt always wins. Maybe not in the polls…but the man knows his history, policies, and presents ideas very, very well.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
10:34 pm

tick….tick…tick…. Doom…. calling people morons and idiots will get you banned, Sir Robin

Adam

October 18th, 2011
10:34 pm

Aquagirl: What do you think, do you think that Thulsa’s original post is clearly a joke and that any idiot should have been able to see that?

I wonder what Jay thinks.

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
10:35 pm

And Adam, it’s past time to log off. Your italics are dangling.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
10:36 pm

kayaker: Cain is the only candidate with a plan to revise our tax code, however

We’ve been over how simply having a plan doesn’t mean you have a GOOD plan.

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
10:36 pm

Keep Up is just a little sand flea that tries to bite everyone’s ankles.

Annoying but easy enough to repel the little bastids.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:37 pm

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
9:37 pm

Steve- USA,

Adam is that trust fund kid that is one of the leaders of the OWS protests. Protesting and complaining is his full time job.

Adam,

Here it is in its entirety. Now does anyone on here really think that I was serious in saying that you are that guy that was interviewed on TV leading the ows protests who it later turned out to be a trust fund kid? Fess up now.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Reefer Madness.

October 18th, 2011
10:38 pm

I think Cain’s money is on a cabinet position in a Romney administration.

As what? The new Race Czar?!

He’s starting to remind me of an unwitting political Richard Pryor.

So may I presume that that Vegas dance show was a waste of everyone’s time? (But not money.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b5HXZRQFss

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
10:39 pm

bman,

And Newt is a great author. His novel about Vally Forge was one of the best reads in a decade. Also his book on American Exceptionalism is not to miss.

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
10:39 pm

Well, I didn’t find Doomy’s post amusing, so calling it a joke isn’t really an option.

I think it’s typical passive-aggressive doomspeak. “Look d00d, I was just joking….” stuff. Frankly it didn’t register with me one way or another.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
10:40 pm

Why does moonbatty have a rubber room and how did she get out?

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:42 pm

keep up,

You called me a coward directly sir. I did not directly call anyone a moron or an idiot. Matter of fact I dont think I even used the word moron anywhere. i looked but I dont see where I called anyone a moron. Please point it out to me sir so that I know you are not a liar. I also did not directly call anyone an idiot. I merely asked rhetorically what kind of an idiot would believe that I was serious in a post that I posted. You understand the difference between a rhetorical question and calling someone directly a name like coward right? You need some help with your reading comprehension sir. Please show me where I called someone a moron. Or are you just making that up?

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:44 pm

Aquagirl.

Regardless of how you felt about my post did you think I was actually serious when I said Adam was that guy on tv?

bman

October 18th, 2011
10:44 pm

Kayaker….I haven’t read it…..yet. When I attended Reinhardt College in Waleska, my “professor” was Newt Gingrich : )

Funny though….i barely remember it

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:45 pm

moonbat betty,

Keep might want to know if you could have that rubber room moved in front of the starbucks at northpoint mall.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
10:45 pm

moonbat,

Do you wear a straitjacket too?

I knew you was crazy nut living in a padded room was more than I expected.

I see the stunk up the joint again and the crowd cheered for people being out of work.

Once again, proof they live in la la land and way out of touch with the real American people.

No wonder rubber room moonbat loves them.

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
10:47 pm

Doom,

It was obviously a joke.

These thin skinned liberals will call you a friend to your face and then call you a redneck 2 seconds later.

They sure can dish it, but sho as fk can’t take it. lol

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
10:47 pm

bman,

Newt has some shortcomings in his personal life that he would have to overcome but if given the chance, I would really like to see him win the nomination. His pragmatism is his strongest suit.

Adam

October 18th, 2011
10:47 pm

Aquagirl: Regardless of how you felt about my post did you think I was actually serious when I said Adam was that guy on tv?

After all, any IDIOT can see it wasn’t serious! (you’re not an IDIOT are you?) /snark

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:47 pm

“Keep Up is just a little sand flea that tries to bite everyone’s ankles.

Annoying but easy enough to repel the little bastids”

That about sums it up.

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
10:48 pm

I knew that would get you attention cauliflower ears.

kayaker 71

October 18th, 2011
10:49 pm

Bedtime…. play nice, children.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
10:50 pm

kay,

Ask newt about gramm and deregulation and he will lose it.

Or cheating on his wife and smearing Clinton for the same thing.

Lots of dirt on newt.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:50 pm

moonbat.

Ouch. I just got bit on my ankle. That annoying little sand flea just bit me again. He shalt hence forward be known as the little sand flea.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
10:51 pm

Doom, check your comprehension and show where I said you actually called someone a moron?…. So you are just making that up….. You might want to also check that coward thing….you are the one who identified yourself as the coward. :D Any more silliness? :lol:

Ricky B

October 18th, 2011
10:54 pm

Rich people and bankers are not bad or evil

They will have to pay more in taxes, but so will all of us

bman

October 18th, 2011
10:55 pm

Kayaker …ya, I agree. But, he will never win the nomination. I knownit…you know it…Newt knows it. The worst person on that stage has to be (hands down) Rick Perry. I expect he will be polling in the low single digits next week.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
10:55 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
10:34 pm

tick….tick…tick…. Doom…. calling people morons and idiots will get you banned, Sir Robin

Aaaah. So you are not saying or at the very least implying that I called people morons and idiots sir? And the tick tick doesnt add to that?
Wayyyyy toooooo funnnnny.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
10:58 pm

No goal post moving. I will reiterate the point so that even you can understand it.

No, thelma.

It was you that made a point of sequencing the events

here

And again

here.

Now you have moved away from that position so fast that you have left a roadrunner shaped smoke outline where you used to stand.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
10:59 pm

ahhh… Doom moves the goal posts to “implying”…. so much for reading comprehension, lol.

Ricky B

October 18th, 2011
11:00 pm

Man. If frenchy and I can see eye to eye, surely you guys can get along.

Even though I vanquished him first.

-America wants to go fast

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
11:01 pm

Keep

I’m surprised that you didn’t bookmark the incident for future reference.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:02 pm

kammy the poo,

Son I just dont know how many times you have to be told the same darn thing. The one central point that is important is that its just plain cowardly and silly to challenge someone to meet them at a starbucks inside a busy mall. Hell if you want to insist that you’re version of how the verbal showdown went down then thats cool. I’ll give you that if it makes you feel better because it is irrelevant to the point at hand. What you cant change is the fact that its just plain cowardly to want to meet someone in a starbucks in a crowded mall. And there aint nothing you can say to change that kammy poo. Just another ankle biting sand flea.

Aquagirl

October 18th, 2011
11:02 pm

did you think I was actually serious when I said Adam was that guy on tv?

It didn’t sound much like a joke with the dry, descriptive tone, which is why my eyes slid right over it. Re-reading it it’s more clearly a joke, with a terribly flat delivery. You’ve actually said some witty things on here, that was a C minus effort at best, so no, I can’t say I thought it was kidding around.

I’ve posted stuff that I thought was clearly a joke and gotten the same reaction so I don’t think you’ve committed a capital crime or anything. But when someone takes my words the wrong way, I don’t automatically assume it’s all in their head. It’s just how the internet works.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
11:02 pm

Ricky,

They don’t need to bribe pols to make money if they are such great capitalists.

When we stop the bribes, they can earn money like the rest of Americans.

And pay taxes like the rest of the Americans.

Fair enough?

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
11:04 pm

because it is irrelevant to the point at hand.

Got that goalpost mounted on Pendragon’s funny car, I see.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:05 pm

sand flea,

I think its pretty clear what you were saying. You can parse words and hide behind semantics but your accusation in that statement is pretty clear to most people. Are you not man enough to admit what you were saying mr. starbucks northpoint mall internet tough guy? If you want to hide behind semantics then thats cool. You and I know the truth.

Jonathan

October 18th, 2011
11:06 pm

I will be voting for Governor Gary Johnson for President! End the wars, balance the budget, equal rights for LGBT and legalize marijuana! This guy is exactly what America needs! The People’s President.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:07 pm

kammy the poo,

Ive been making the same point repeatedly. Just because your mind cant seem to follow it doesnt mean the goal posts are moving. Try to keep up ma’am.

bman

October 18th, 2011
11:07 pm

getalife

October 18th, 2011
11:07 pm

I get a 3.5 % raise.

Thanks President Obama.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:09 pm

Kam…. I have got it….Doom has already admitted it doesn’t matter what the real facts are, he just wants to demand violence as a proof of his manhood even if he lies about the real events. Not worth the energy. He’ll move the goal posts.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:11 pm

Aquagirl,

Well you didnt think it was funny but at least on re reading it you understood I wasnt serious in saying that Adam was actually that guy on TV up in NY. I’ll have to work on that c minus delivery I suppose..

getalife

October 18th, 2011
11:13 pm

Thanks bman but I usually use three lines to keep it short and on point.

doomy used to post five paragraph to say nothing.

Long winded blow hard bs does not make you intelligent.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
11:16 pm

Ive been making the same point repeatedly.

I see.

I must needs spell it out for you.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
10:03 pm

So tough that when another poster said he would like to meet you in a parking lot you opted for the safety of a starbucks inside the mall.

Not intended to be a factual statement.

I

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BS

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sequencing

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events.

bman

October 18th, 2011
11:16 pm

“Long winded blow hard bs does not make you intelligent.”

when I read that, only one name came to mind. Obama

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 18th, 2011
11:18 pm

moonbat betty, Rocks.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:18 pm

Sand flea,

Nope. I dont demand violence as a proof of my manhood. Those are your words. Not mine. If I wanted to demand violence to prove myself I would have invited you to a beatdown in moonbat bettys mattress room. I didnt do that though and Im not going to. So once again those are your words.

My only real point is that its cowardly for you to act like Mr. internet tough guy and invite the guy to oppose you in a starbucks in the middle of a packed mall. If you were the tough guy you were acting like you should have said hey meet me at so and so 3rd rate bar and if we still have an issue that cant be resolved over a beer in a small bar with a few people around to make sure no one is packing heat then you could then take your disagreement outside to the parking lot. Thats all.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 18th, 2011
11:19 pm

Have they found Obama’s teleprompter?

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:20 pm

Oh lawdy,

Kammy the poo is having a sequencing meltdown. Someone help him to the fainting couch.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
11:20 pm

bman,

He started dumbing it down for you cons.

It is election time so many Americans are just starting to listen to him.

Stuff like the majority of Americans agree with his jobs bill but all the gop voted to block it.

Or ask obl if he was ready to be President.

Cold hard facts.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
11:22 pm

del,

No but I think it was scout.

bman

October 18th, 2011
11:23 pm

getalife….

according to this, Americans are tired of listening to him.

http://www.gallup.com/video/150188/Election-Matters-Obama-Start-Worry.aspx

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 18th, 2011
11:23 pm

getalife,

I wouldn’t put it past him.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:23 pm

Recon,

Last I heard but havent seen confirmed yet is that the teleprompter was found in the hotel room of a drugged out woman who had overdosed. In other words one of his constituents had it.

moonbat betty

October 18th, 2011
11:24 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:25 pm

Doom, you might want to get your facts straight….. and sorry, I don’t use your childish manhood efforts to demand meeting in parking lots to settle conflicts of words. Real men don’t need that, child. I did not invite a meeting, I refused a drunken bar meeting and offered a sober public meeting spot as the demand was to prove I was not a minor. That was accepted with a bet. Haven’t you got any real facts or evidence instead of this childishness. Only a bully demands a meeting in a parking lot to “fight”. Grow up and move on. How silly of you to even bring this up.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:25 pm

tweedldee and tweedledum, melting down as if they were one.

getalife

October 18th, 2011
11:28 pm

Moonbat does have good taste in music :)

My fighting days are over,

I just shoot like our kids today.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:29 pm

“I did not invite a meeting, I refused a drunken bar meeting and offered a sober public meeting spot”

In other words you backed out of what was going to be an imminent buttkicking in a bar parking lot out of fear. Otay. I think after this we are finally on the same page. Gotcha now. Now run along and help kammy up off the fainting couch. He’s having sequencing meltdowns.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 18th, 2011
11:30 pm

Thulsa Doom,

Oh I thought that maybe it was in the possession of the OWS crowd as a special gift to them from the Obummer. After all it was only taxpayer dollars that paid for it to begin with.

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
11:30 pm

Haven’t you got any real facts or evidence instead of this childishness.

As of yet, he hasn’t gotten one detail right.

Odd seeing that he claimed to be there.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:30 pm

Doom lies again…. and then runs.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:30 pm

A man has got to know his limitations. Looks like sand flea knows his limitations.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:31 pm

Lied? Really? How? and then runs? Really? I’m still here.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:33 pm

what a waste of time…. and another reason to be banned for the child.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:34 pm

Kamchak

October 18th, 2011
11:30 pm

“Haven’t you got any real facts or evidence instead of this childishness.

As of yet, he hasn’t gotten one detail right”.

Somebody step in and help the young lady before she has yet another sequencing nightmare.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:35 pm

okay….. time to move on from the doom lies and childishness.

Cain is backing away from his negotiating with terrorists idea of earlier today. Bachmann has him on the run :lol:

getalife

October 18th, 2011
11:36 pm

I am naming my next kid Poppy.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:36 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:33 pm

what a waste of time…. and another reason to be banned for the child.

There ya have it. Typical leftist. When the play gets rough and he doesnt like what the other guy says he wants to quell his free speech and have his voice banned. Couldnt see that one coming could we? If you cant take the heat in the kitchen get on out.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:38 pm

Recon.

You may have missed it earlier but as a special ode to the OWS crowd Obama pooped on a cop car and urinated on the sidewalk in front of the white house. Its a lib thing you and I wouldnt understand.

bman

October 18th, 2011
11:38 pm

i think for anyone here to even consider meeting someone in a bar or a public spot to settle their differences should have their head examined. I thought Obama was some sort of great uniter??

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:39 pm

Doom, sorry free speech does not give you the right to lie or the right to pose whatever you want on this blog but then your weak on the Constitution aren’t you…..

getalife

October 18th, 2011
11:41 pm

“I thought Obama was some sort of great uniter??”

The gop will not even talk to him.

They are jealous of his bus and limo.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:42 pm

Well it looks like sand flea had enough and said he is done wasting time so lets call taps for the night. I will be back in a couple of days to talk some real politics rather than getting bitten by sand fleas around the ankles.

Speaking of Cain what in the hell are all those RACIST tea party and Republicans doing voting for a black man. Bunch a dang racists they are! RACISTS!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:43 pm

getalife…. McCain is late on the bus issue…. but the same Canadian company made his campaign bus, the Bachmann bus, Bush and Cheney’s bus…. and of course its only the shell, the inside was done in TN… But cons dont follow facts or truth

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 18th, 2011
11:44 pm

Ricky B: “Rich people and bankers are not bad or evil / They will have to pay more in taxes, but so will all of us”

Why does wanting to raise taxes on them mean that you think rich people are “bad” or “evil”?

And so you’re saying we should basically lay off taxing the rich because … why? … are you saying we in effect have no choice because there’s no way to enforce taxation on them without them simply shifting it off to us?

Don’t know about you, but I don’t like the idea that we have to in effect bribe them to do the right thing.

If that’s the case, why don’t we just start confiscating their money and call it what it is?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:45 pm

And with ignorance of free speech proven, he departs with a lie and a childish insult

getalife

October 18th, 2011
11:46 pm

keep,

I thought mcbadloser could not get any more pathetic and then I watched him cry about the bus on the senate floor.

Childish like doomy.

They are horrible sore losers.

bman

October 18th, 2011
11:47 pm

Keep….but Obama has went out of his way during his cheerleading chats to convince us all that we (The U.S.) should lead in manufacturing. Watch his speech at G.M.

Thulsa Doom

October 18th, 2011
11:49 pm

Sand flea,

Seems like you spend half the night calling me a liar and everytime I ask you to post what specific, proveable lie I told you come back with nothing. Frankly I think you lie left and right, try to put in words that I never said, and distort everything. If the best you could do was saying that I was lying about Adam being the guy on TV with the trust fund than that is so pathetically weak that it aint even funny. You got nothing keep. Every night you go into a diatribe about me lying and yet you never can show a proveable lie. Never. You should just quit as your utter nonsense just makes you look like a typical whiney, crying, bed wetting librul. You ruin it for the other liberals that can actually argue the points and not get bogged down in personal attacks which is all you seem to do. Anyway, as you yourself stated we have wasted enough time on this. We’ll talk again and when we do I’ll destroy your political argument, you will descend into talking about speedos and zeus, and then you will want to play your childish game of ” you lied” because you got no ammo. Happens every time and to be honest you are tiresome. Amusing for awhile and then you bore me. And when you bore me you are then of no use to me. Good night sir.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:49 pm

getalife…yep.

bman, the secret service made the selection not Obama but yes, I know, no matter how wrong or what McCain and others do or have done, blame Obama

getalife

October 18th, 2011
11:50 pm

I thought you cons love free trade deals.

We buy oil from Canada too.

Cue the outrage….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:52 pm

Doom meltdown after whining about his free speech right to lie (not in the Consitution).

getalife

October 18th, 2011
11:54 pm

Keep,

They are regressing to child like behavior but you know that already reading doomy’s tantrums.

Jay will have to place the children in time outs.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 18th, 2011
11:58 pm

getalife…. let’s hope so. We need a blog cleanser.

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 19th, 2011
12:00 am

Wait! What does Mark Effin Halprin have to say about who scored the most points in tonight’s debate?

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 19th, 2011
12:12 am

The political and technocratic elite is scared absolutely sh$t-drips at the potential threat that they see represented by the Occupy Wall Street movement. They are desperate to see it shut down. Absolutely desperate.

I’m not just talking about the usual suspects here. The usual types of hitmen you’re predictably seeing coming out of the woodwork — the Dick Morrises and Brit Humes and Doug Schoens of the world. (I’m sure we’ll be treated to a smarmy little brief by Even Bayh soon enough.) I’m also talking about the other well-fed and supposedly “objective” doyens of the liberal establishment, the Anne Applebaums and Erin Burnetts.

At the end of the day, the result is always the same:

This is what a political and cultural elite that is truly scared looks like.

marko

October 19th, 2011
5:14 am

conservatives 34%. The small government crowd doesn’t seem to mind having the government kick down our doors to insure that we’re practicing correct sex, and not drinking or smoking things Jesus wouldn’t approve of. Of course they refuse to pay for these extremely necessary services.Then again if we would just cut taxes and deregulate the poor little oil companies we wouldn’t have homosexual pot smokers would we?

stands for decibels

October 19th, 2011
5:43 am

mornin’.

Workplaces already have rules about [...] alcohol while on the job

They do? Uh-oh…

Bud Wiser

October 19th, 2011
6:39 am

Yeah, you dopers on the left really want this legalization of pot thing… maybe it’ll help you daze your way through this next election WIPEOUT.

Just think of it; when all the homeless and jobless folks put out there by Obama and his administration’s policies gather on some stupid “occupy the port-a-potty” (please) mission, you can all pass the reefers and commiserate your situation.

Of course you will still not understand why you are where you are, but know for sure in your tiny little brains that if you wail loud enough, and vote democrat long enough, perhaps some weak kneed politician will toss you a handful of Katrina credit cards, try to give you some more free stuff (well, free to you, in hopes that you’ll shut the hell up.

Normal

October 19th, 2011
6:46 am

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
6:48 am

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
6:49 am

poor Bud doesn’t seem to realize that support for this issue is on the left AND the right …

but then reading comprehension never has been is strong suit …

Normal

October 19th, 2011
6:51 am

USinUK

October 19th, 2011
6:57 am

Normal – that skyscraper picture always gives me the shivers – that tops the list of jobs that I could NEVER have (unless they let me work on the first 3 floors only)

momma

October 19th, 2011
9:30 am

Do you nay-sayers have any clue at all? Do some research! I see all these comments, “What if we could turn hemp into fuel.” WELL, DUH!!!!! Henry Ford’s first vehicle ran on hemp fuel (bio-diesel)! I can’t believe in a world with all of this technology around us there as still so many people that are against cannabis! It is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard! The economy could completely turn around if they would legalize both industrial hemp and marijuana. Cannabis is a much safer alternative to alcohol for recreational purposes. The worst that will happen to you if you smoke too much weed is you go to sleep…you don’t go to sleep, puke and choke to death on your own vomit…you don’t go to sleep and die from alcohol poisoning…YOU JUST FREAKIN’ GO TO SLEEP! WAKE UP, AMERICA! YOU SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF MORONS! DO SOME RESEARCH!

http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/

DonDig

October 19th, 2011
9:34 am

Cannabis is a medical miracle waiting to be fully utilized. It has been proven to kill cancer cells in lab tests without harming the healthy cells present. http://www.gsalternative.com/2010/05/cannabinoids-kill-cancer/

Dave Triplett (and others) have used cannabis oil (topically) to cure melanoma as he shows in this short movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tghUh4ubbg

Dennis Hill was diagnosed with prostate cancer and used cannabis oil (by ingestion) to cure himself. http://web.me.com/dbhill/cure/Home.html

Rick Simpson from Canada, who discovered the cannabis oil treatment, said he has seen hundreds of people over a period of six or seven years, and the results have been extremely favorable, including a number of stage 4 cancer patients. 70% of the stage 4 folks recovered, many of whom had been told by their doctors that there was nothing else to be done, and they should go home and get their affairs in order. The “Run From The Cure” movie is about him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI

“What If Cannabis Killed Cancer?” http://www.marijuanamovie.org

Please sign one or more of the White House petitions regarding the cannabis prohibition, go to this link: https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petitions
Select the drop-down menu for ‘search’, (on the little gray banner), type in the word ‘cannabis’, and you can review and sign a number of petitions, (there are ten at the moment), and hopefully these can help put an end to this wasteful and harmful prohibition. President Obama could easily reschedule cannabis out of CSA schedule 1 by executive order.

The prohibition on cannabis has been far more costly than just the tax dollars and lives ruined by incarceration. People are dying for lack of a cancer cure, and one seems to be clearly within reach.

ConservativeChristian

October 19th, 2011
10:30 am

Jesus said to do unto others as we would have them to do unto us. None of us would want our child thrown in jail with the sexual predators over marijuana. None of us would want to see an older family member’s home confiscated and sold by the police for growing a couple of marijuana plants for their aches and pains. It’s time to stop putting our own family members in jail over marijuana.
If ordinary Americans could grow a little marijuana in their own back yards, it would be about as valuable as home-grown tomatoes. Let’s put the criminals out of business and get them out of our neighborhoods. Let’s let ordinary Americans grow a little marijuana in their own back yards.
You can email your Congressperson and Senators at http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml to discuss HR 2306, the bill that would repeal Federal prohibition.
And a big THANK YOU to the courageous, freedom loving legislators, governors, and countless others who are working so hard to bring this through! You’re doing a great patriotic service for all of America!

ConservativeChristian

October 19th, 2011
10:30 am

Here’s one way that IT IS REALLY WORKING: Arresting the criminals and collecting a fee from registered growers (and bringing in thousands of dollars to support the county budget); what a great plan! This is the way to build a better America! http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/2011/07/the-pot-republic-one-sheriffs-quietly-radical-experiment.html

Paulo977

October 19th, 2011
4:14 pm

tony clifton

October 20th, 2011
2:43 pm

“I would rather farmers plant that than turn good corn into fuel.

What if we could turn hemp into fuel. Getting our cars stoned with every fill up ?”
hemp oil was used as a cleaner burning feul oil and could also be used for autos,so if it doesn’t become legal in the nexy few years you know who is really running the country.

malcolm kyle

October 21st, 2011
1:31 pm

Due to the tyrannic and mindless actions of prohibitionists, tens of millions of people world-wide (both users and non-users) have been either killed, maimed, incarcerated or had their lives very seriously disrupted. Prohibitionists are solely responsible for an immense increase in violent organized crime, an AIDS Pandemic, the undermining of international development and security and a grave abuse of human rights on a scale barely witnessed in human social history.

Corporate greed and individual bigotry have accelerated us towards a situation where all the usual peaceful and democratic methods needed to reverse the acute damage done by prohibition no longer function as envisaged by the Founding Fathers of our once great and free nation. Such a political impasse coupled with great economic tribulation is precisely that which throughout history has invariably ignited violent revolution.

In order to avert what will surely be a far more violent situation than we are all presently experiencing, there appears to be just one last avenue left to us – Jury Nullification.

Jury Nullification is a constitutional doctrine that allows juries to acquit defendants who are technically guilty, but who don’t deserve punishment. All non-violent drug offenders who are not selling to children, be they users, dealers or importers, fall into this category. If you believe that prohibition is a dangerous and counter-productive policy, then you don’t have to help to apply it. Under the Constitution, when it comes to acquittals, you, the juror, have the last word!

The idea that jurors should judge the law, as well as the facts, is a proud and vital component of American history.

The most shining example of Jury Nullification occurred during the shameful period in US history when slavery was legal. People who helped slaves escape were committing a federal crime – violation of the Fugitive Slave Act. Jurors would often acquit, even when the defendants admitted their guilt. Legal historians credit these cases with advancing the abolition of slavery.

No amount of money, police powers, weaponry, wishful thinking or pseudo-science will make our streets safer; only an end to prohibition can do that. How much longer are you willing to foolishly risk your own survival by continuing to ignore the obvious, historically confirmed solution? – When called for Jury Service concerning any non-violent prohibition-related offense, it is your moral and civic duty to VOTE TO ACQUIT!

“To function as the founders intended, our republic requires that “the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
~ THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to William Stephens Smith, November 13, 1787.

To avoid such carnage and turmoil on a scale not seen in this land since the 1860s, we may have just one last chance.

If you wish to see this insane prohibition replaced by drug policy based on science, public health and sound principles of human rights that will ensure a safe future for your children and grandchildren, PLEASE VOTE TO ACQUIT!