Solving a problem on the backs of the jobless

Back when times were good, Georgia businesses lobbied state government to slash the amount of money that they were required by law to set aside to pay future unemployment benefits. You know, just to have in case things turned sour.

It should not surprise you to learn that the request was granted.

Contributions to the state’s unemployment insurance trust fund were cut well below recommended levels, so that by the time the recession hit, the amount of money in the fund wasn’t close to sufficient. What we should have set aside in times of abundance wasn’t there when times turned hard.

As a result, the state has been forced to borrow more than $700 million from the federal government to pay unemployment benefits and now has to pay that money back, with interest. So where’s that money going to come from?

Probably not from business. Mark Butler, head of the Georgia Department of Labor, has commissioned a task force to study the problem. The report is in, but Butler has said he won’t release it until the state’s business community has had a chance to see it and comment on it. That’s a pretty good indication of the pecking order in this state.

Butler has also made it pretty clear that he won’t ask companies to contribute to solving a problem that they helped to create. Even if he did, it’s unlikely the Legislature would approve it. Instead, he will probably propose to fund the repayment by cutting benefits paid to unemployed workers in Georgia and perhaps reducing the number of weeks the benefit will be paid.

At $258, the weekly average unemployment check already isn’t a lot, but at least it’s something. That amount of money puts a family of four well below the federal poverty level, but psychologically and economically, it at least helps to keep the wolves at bay. Having that money cut by any substantial amount would make a hard situation even more difficult for many of our fellow Georgians.

State officials are also studying the option of saving money by slashing the amount of time — now set at 26 weeks — that unemployed Georgians are eligible to collect state-funded benefits.

Nationally, this recession has been particularly destructive to lives, hopes, careers and marriages because of the length of unemployment it inflicts. At this point, more than 44 percent of jobless Americans have been unemployed for more than 26 weeks; here in Georgia, the number is 52.7 percent, which translates into more than a quarter million Georgians who have been unemployed for five months or longer.

With that many people unemployed for so long, you could certainly save a good chunk of cash by slashing eligibility to less than 26 weeks. And in the minds of some, that would be a good thing. In Congress and here in Georgia, you hear repeated claims that unemployment benefits — even at meager levels of $258 a week — encourage people to remain jobless and not return to the workforce.

In individual cases, that of course can be true, but I don’t think it’s right to punish the many for the sins of a few. In addition, repeated studies suggest that in an economy like this one, the problem is pretty rare. In a strong economy with a lot of jobs available, unemployment insurance can delay a return to the workforce. But in this kind of economy, with many more applicants than job openings, it doesn’t happen much.

In the end, I can certainly understand why state policymakers are reluctant to raise taxes on business in an economy as tough as this one. That makes a lot of sense. But with a state unemployment rate still in double digits, shouldn’t state leaders be equally reluctant to slash benefits for Georgians trying to keep their families fed, clothed and housed?

Are compassion and balance no longer virtues?

819 comments Add your comment

Tommy Maddox

October 12th, 2011
11:20 am

This is all so bad. I am so thankful to have work to do.

mm

October 12th, 2011
11:21 am

Republicans cannot govern. They just want to be in control of everything. When will voters figure this out?

Steve - USA

October 12th, 2011
11:30 am

I guess I don’t understand the process. Shouldn’t we have crossed this bridge when we borrowed the money and not waited until the bill is due?

Seems like a no-brainer to raise the contributions back to the level before they were slashed.

St Simons - we're on Island time

October 12th, 2011
11:31 am

the revolution may very well start up there in my ol hometown.
glad we on this island, mon.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

October 12th, 2011
11:32 am

Let them eat cake.

Doggone/GA

October 12th, 2011
11:33 am

“Seems like a no-brainer to raise the contributions back to the level before they were slashed”

The “no-brainer” part should have been to NOT lower them in the first place

meno

October 12th, 2011
11:34 am

At some point, the voters should accept blame for constantly electing those who are so un-concerned about their interests.

Steve - USA

October 12th, 2011
11:35 am

Doggone/GA,

I agree but unless your time machine is working better than mine…………. :)

Bosch

October 12th, 2011
11:35 am

“shouldn’t state leaders be equally reluctant to slash benefits for Georgia families trying to keep their families fed, clothed and housed?”

Which costs money, creates demand and keeps others off unemployment.

Don't Tread

October 12th, 2011
11:36 am

Raise taxes to 100%!! That’ll fix it.

Thought I’d get that out of the way early.

Doggone/GA

October 12th, 2011
11:36 am

OT – AJC headline: More headahces for BlackBerry users

Looks like they’re missing their spell checker!

Patrick

October 12th, 2011
11:37 am

Tommy Maddox- “This is all so bad. I am so thankful to have work to do.”

You said it, Brother. Any of us who are still employed need to realize that at any moment we could end up on the other side of the fence. Cutting benefits to the unemployed is a harsh, harsh thing to do.

Gordon

October 12th, 2011
11:38 am

I agree with Jay’s sentiments. But at the federal level, it is also why it is CRITICAL for us to get our entitlement system under control while we still can. If we don’t, the most vulnerable in our society will be the ones who suffer first and the most. These programs MUST survive for our society to remain viable. We must stop pretending things can remain as they are.

Sunny Perdue

October 12th, 2011
11:39 am

Hey y’all! Let’s go fishing!

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 12th, 2011
11:40 am

The answer of course is to get out of this recession and create jobs so unemployed folks can get back to work earning a living. That doesn’t appear likely until we get a change of economic policies in Washington and unfortunately that doesn’t look possible until January 2013.

Gordon

October 12th, 2011
11:40 am

“Seems like a no-brainer to raise the contributions back to the level before they were slashed.”

Its not a no-brainer at the state level because budgets must be balanced.

Mighty Righty

October 12th, 2011
11:41 am

I partially agree with Jay. This is not the time to cut unemployment benefits but then neither is it the time to increase cost to business which are struggling to make ends meet now. I disagree that unemployment is caused by business. This recession was caused by government stupidity at the federal level. The unemployed and our economy would be much better off if the federal governemnt simply used common sense. Take the money we are wasting on “green anything” and give that money to the states to increase unemployment benefits. I know expecting the government to do anything wise is a fantasy, particularly this govrnment. But with new leadership next year, there is hope.

Richard

October 12th, 2011
11:41 am

Jay, only one problem with your point: if the unemployment is structural (which seems pretty likely in the case of this recession) then the unemployment benefits don’t accomplish anything. Unemployment benefits work in cases like cyclical or seasonal unemployment until the person lands the next job, but if the person’s skills don’t match the employer demand, it’s really just throwing money down the toilet.

Personally, I’d support slashing the unemployment benefits while boosting funding to educational grants. Allow people to bring up their skill sets while they are unemployed and you help solve a long term problem.

willie lynch

October 12th, 2011
11:42 am

While people are busy criticizing working families for trying to have more when times were good they let the business community slide by doing things like this.

This state is led by the GOP and it’s in a shambles. The blame should be placed squarely where it belongs, in the hands of the business community, which failed to act responsibly when the good times rolled and the legislators who didn’t have the foresight to see this as bad policy.

If we can castigate the regular working man for irresponsibility in good times the business sector can’t get a pass.

mm

October 12th, 2011
11:43 am

Why do republicans hate America?

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2011
11:44 am

Reminds me of the parable of the ant and the grasshopper. Instead of being proactive like the ant, our business community and politicians want to live like the grasshopper and react to everything. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Soothsayer

October 12th, 2011
11:44 am

In case any of you have not yet heard, the City of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania has declared. That’s right, the city of Harrisburg has declared bankruptcy. Whether or not those holding municipal bonds will be repaid the investment is in doubt.

willie lynch

October 12th, 2011
11:45 am

Unregulated private industry caused the recession and the unemployment.

Doggone/GA

October 12th, 2011
11:46 am

“An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”

Yeah, well…the “ounce” was raided, and now the “pound” is due

Jay

October 12th, 2011
11:46 am

Recon, I’m glad you’re here.

First, despite your self-pity about being censored by the left last night, the reason your post didn’t go through is because you used the phrase “pussy foot.” No conspiracy, no political intent.

Second — and I suspect you know this — you crossed the line last night in terms of addressing fellow bloggers. Please don’t force my hand by repeating it.

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2011
11:47 am

I disagree that unemployment is caused by business.

Care to explain that one???

Curtis Rivers

October 12th, 2011
11:49 am

The state GOP and its leaders are so business and industry centered that they forget those who work in those businesses and industries. Compassion, in the current GOP Ayn Rand Objectivist philosophy which guides so much of GOP thought, is simply foolishness.

Steve - USA

October 12th, 2011
11:49 am

Gordon,

I guess I misunderstood the article. I read it as business contributions were slashed. If they were reinstated that would mean additional revenue.

Mighty Righty

October 12th, 2011
11:49 am

By now, I am sure all are aware of the latest Obama green screw up. He gave a “green” solar company 1+BILLION dollars to move to Mexico and manufacture solar panels there. That money would have solved our Georgia under funded program. But gee, that is too simple. BTW the “green” company previously mentioned is going bankrupt. This is a real bright administration.

Soothsayer

October 12th, 2011
11:49 am

Globalization, oursourcing, off-shoring jobs is the cause of all these problems. Yet those who, at least for now, have not been affected continue on their merry way.

You may not realize it but the savings that corporations get from off-shoring jobs is generally not passed on to the consumer, it is used to pay higher dividends and CEO bonuses.

I think the City of Harrisburg is the canary in the coal mine. You can expect many more of these before, essentially, our country becomes bankrupt (which basically it already is).

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2011
11:50 am

Doggone

True…

Peadawg

October 12th, 2011
11:50 am

““Seems like a no-brainer to raise the contributions back to the level before they were slashed”

The “no-brainer” part should have been to NOT lower them in the first place”

Two very good points.

Matti's Tough Choices

October 12th, 2011
11:55 am

While slavery was technically outlawed here in 1863, there are other ways to create a large pool of laborers who will do absolutely anything for any tiny scrap of compensation offered, no matter how small.

This is happening now. Twenty-first Century Feudalism: Which master will you serve?

Gordon

October 12th, 2011
11:56 am

Steve-USA,

I agree with your interpretation. Because business is contributing less, that is spilling over to the state to make up for the shortfall. All I’m saying is that at the state level, either we must cut something to continue to fund the shortfall or raise the business contribution. We can’t run a deficit using the excuse we don’t want to hurt businesses or make cuts during a recession. That makes the choice harder, and not a no-brainer. There are consequences each way. Of course, there are consequences to kicking the can down the road like the federal government does as well, as we are finding out now.

mm

October 12th, 2011
11:56 am

“I disagree that unemployment is caused by business.”

That’s got to be the most ignorant comment I’ve ever read.

Wingers are just not based in reality.

USinUK

October 12th, 2011
11:57 am

Keep in mind, the GOP is also the party who slashed the money banks paid into FDIC insurance because, HEY! what could go wrong!!!

Doggone/GA

October 12th, 2011
11:59 am

” because, HEY! what could go wrong!!!”

And one of the consequences of cutting the payments businesses make is that now, any business that went under is off the hook and those businesses still IN business will have to make up the contributions for the “dead” companies out-of-work ex-employees

larry

October 12th, 2011
12:01 pm

The “no-brainer” part should have been to NOT lower them in the first place”

I think lowering them was part of a package of bills to help bring jobs to Georgia.

Of course, it didnt work. Over 4 years and 3 months , Ga’s unemployment rate has been above the federal level.

And the umemployed do not have a friend in Butler. My dad knows him and Jay would not let me type what he thinks of him. There could have not been a worse person to head that agency at this time.

HDB

October 12th, 2011
12:01 pm

Matti’s Tough Choices
October 12th, 2011
11:55 am

Are you sure slavery’s been outlawed?? If you’re working for the money rather than the money working for you…then you’re in slavery!!

Mighty Righty

October 12th, 2011
12:02 pm

Obama Tells Advisers To Find How To Approve Stimulus Projects “Without Additional Congressional Authorization

The above, per POLITICO is proof of the dishonesty of this president. He asks his advisors to violate OUR constitution, take OUR money without out OUR approval. It is past time to IMPEACH this rascal.

Jack

October 12th, 2011
12:02 pm

Payments to the DOL are NOT contributions. Try not “contributing” and see what happens. It’s a TAX paid to the state by employers at the rate of 2.7% on the1st $8500. of salaries and they also pay .8% on all salaries for the 1st $7000. to the feds. Let Bookman and other salaried folks pay some of the “compassion & balance” tax and then maybe employers wouldn’t mind the rate being retroactive.

USinUK

October 12th, 2011
12:03 pm

hey – I know what’ll fix it!!

TAX CUTS!!

I hear they cure EVERYthing.

Bosch

October 12th, 2011
12:04 pm

“either we must cut something ”

The wingnut solution to everything, not realizing of course, what that means is cutting something means cutting more jobs which means paying out more unemployment.

USinUK

October 12th, 2011
12:05 pm

Bosch – “which means paying out more unemployment.”

gah.

not if they had their way … bootstraps and all that – these people should have 6 months’ salary set aside in savings in case of such an event

too little time

October 12th, 2011
12:05 pm

“the City of Harrisburg is the canary in the coal mine. You can expect many more of these before, essentially, our country becomes bankrupt (which basically it already is).”

Too true… and not just cities, but states and countries are ready to go under. At some point, you look at what you owe and realize that you can be poor now… and for the next 50 years. Or you be poor now and for the next 5 or 10 years. Bond holders… in their rush to enslave with credit… depend on the “honor” of the borrower to make things right. That is a strong encouragement to honor the debt until it feels like enslavement.

The sad thing is that when it comes to governments, it is rarely those in charge NOW who caused the problem, and it is rarely even the previous guy who caused the problem. It is usually a problem that built over many years, or decisions made when the economic prospects were rosy and expected to last “forever”.

The simple solution is to reinstate the unemployment tax on employers, and to limit unemployment to the “average” amount of time of the out-of-work force. 26 weeks seems fair at this point.

Mick

October 12th, 2011
12:05 pm

Repubs rejected the jobs bill, yet are they being held accountable? The next step is to see what individual sections of the bill can pass. I hope the media keeps the spotlight on them and their do nothingness…

Bosch

October 12th, 2011
12:07 pm

USinUK,

Oh yeah, I forgot about that old solution– yeah!! That’s it – be damn you! It’s your own damn fault you didn’t have six months salary saved.

:roll:

Jay,

Are you on the right thread??

Jay

October 12th, 2011
12:09 pm

No Bosch, i wasn’t. Thanks.

Mighty Righty

October 12th, 2011
12:09 pm

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2011
11:47 am
I disagree that unemployment is caused by business.

Care to explain that one???

Gee bro, perhaps you haven’t noticed that business EMPLOYS people. Without business no one would be EMPLOYED.

Road Scholar

October 12th, 2011
12:10 pm

Republicans couldn’t manage a one car funeral prossesion! No further cuts in services and programs; now how do you propose to correct this lack of planning for the future?

Also, Maryland is at least looking at REAL options to increase transportation and infrastructure funding; their legislators at least havre the “balls” to look at real solutions beyond the shell game of private public partnerships!

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-transportation-funding-20111012,0,5978899.story

(the real) Independent

October 12th, 2011
12:13 pm

Here is an uncmmon solution – don’t force businesses to pay for unemployment insurance at all. This only skews the difference in mechanical labor and human labor towards the mechanical. For example, and employer (business) can employ six workers to stack bags or it can buy a million-dollar machine to do the same work with one person. The decision comes down to which costs the business more. If unemployment insurance tips the scales, the machine goes in and five employees lose their jobs. Instead, since this is an insurance for the employee, require the insurance premiums come out of their check, as Social Security Insurance and Medicare Insurance now do. And change the way unemployment is figured so that those who work only short times have very short periods of unemployment insurance and those who have gone 25 years without unemployment receive benefits for much longer.

Gordon

October 12th, 2011
12:13 pm

Bosch

October 12th, 2011
12:04 pm
“either we must cut something ”

The wingnut solution to everything, not realizing of course, what that means is cutting something means cutting more jobs which means paying out more unemployment.

I was merely pointing out that at the state level the budget must be balanced, so its either cuts or extra revenue, not deficits. That’s all I said. I didn’t offer an opinion either way. Don’t have a heart attack.

MM

October 12th, 2011
12:14 pm

If you listen to the stories of Republican politicians long enough you’ll notice there’s NEVER a good time to raise taxes. How did we get in this mess? As the article states, Governor Sonny wouldn’t even collect the tax when times were good and now, when times are bad, it’s not supposed to be a good time to raise tax revenues either. Convenient the way that works out.

I am one of the long-term unemployed. I look for work at least 5 days a week and if the Republicans cut back on unemployment (which they always want to do, it’s just the excuses to do it that change) I really don’t know what my family is going to do. If I take a McJob then I’ll lose my home and have to pull my 3.8 GPA daughter out of college. I can’t settle for that or I’ll lose everything I have worked for for so many years. What happens when my mortgage forebearance plan runs out in a few months? And now the Republicans want to cheat me out of the very modest money they should have collected in a trust fund. So much for the social contract that Americans could rely on for generations before the financial sector came to dominate our economy and politics. Remember when we used to make things?

You know I just can’t believe the politicians Georgians elect. So much for Christian charity (or at least fair treatment). It’s so easy to be unfeeling when you’re fat and happy with a well-paying stable job. Walk a few miles in my shoes and you’ll see the problem a lot better. In fact, I know a few folks who were really down on the unemployed until they lost their jobs for an extended period. How low do we have to go before enough people see what we have a nation become? I never thought it would come to this.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

October 12th, 2011
12:15 pm

Without business no one would be EMPLOYED.

THAT is your “explanation”???

It reminds me of the Monsanto ad from years ago, “Without chemicals, life itself would be impossible”. (I wonder what Madison Avenue wunderkind came up with that brilliant observation?)

I recommend that you review the previous thread about “a knack for simplification”…

USMC

October 12th, 2011
12:16 pm

“…So where’s that money going to come from?”–JAY BOOKMAN

I bet it won’t come from the “OCCUPY” Socialistas… :-)

Road Scholar

October 12th, 2011
12:16 pm

MR:”The above, per POLITICO is proof of the dishonesty of this president. He asks his advisors to violate OUR constitution, take OUR money without out OUR approval. ”

So….all the businesses that take tax breaks allowed by the law,send jobs and money abroad, are crooks too? They are not paying their share of “our money”?

Nothing above states that he will break laws or violate the Constitution!!

Mighty Righty

October 12th, 2011
12:18 pm

Here is one of several Republican Jobs Bills which many liberals continue to claim doesn’t exist.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20106742-503544.html

Saying there is no Republican jobs bill doesn’t make it true.

JohnnyReb

October 12th, 2011
12:19 pm

So, the Federal extension of unemployment benefits did not contribute to the Georgia well running dry? In other words, an unfunded fedaral mandate.

carlosgvv

October 12th, 2011
12:21 pm

The sociopaths who run Big Business have no understanding of what compassion is. Enriching their own personal estates is the one and only thing they truly understand. Their bought and paid for lackeys in the State Legislature depend totally on them for their election and re-election funding. Because of this, they do what they are told by their corporate sponsors and both Business and The Legislature could not possibly care less about the plight of the long-term unemployed. This will probably not change in the foreseeable future unless these street protests gather some real power and start to exert some clout.

Soothsayer

October 12th, 2011
12:22 pm

I just can’t believe there is this much stink about unemployment insurance. What we’re talking about here for the vast majority of employers is $229.50 (Georgia) per year, per employee (.027 x $8,500) plus $56.00 (federal) per year, per employee (.008 x $7.000). I don’t think that’s really going to break any business.

Those with a lot of claims pay significantly higher rates.

Mudfoot

October 12th, 2011
12:23 pm

“The answer of course is to get out of this recession and create jobs so unemployed folks can get back to work earning a living. That doesn’t appear likely until we get a change of economic policies in Washington…”

Yes, of course. All we need to do is put the GOP back in the White House right? None of the current field even have an economic plan (besides Cain’s relabeled flat-tax option which amounts to slightly less than a bad joke, despite his insistence that everyone else’s numbers are wrong and his are correct because… well… he’s Herman Cain) beyond continuing GOP policy of the past;

Continue the transfer of wealth from the lower classes to the top 5%
Strip any and all programs that do not service the top 5% of any funding
Abolish regulation of any kind on business, regardless of need or benefit
Basically hand the keys to the country to big business/special interest and require nothing in return
Pay lip service to constituents up front and work against their best-interests out back
Misrepresent, deny, lie, cheat, steal, divert, collect

I was there when Reagan first pitched this obvious boondoggle and was mystified as to why anyone could buy into this load of dung. I’ve borne witness to the destruction of America’s middle class due to following these policies and I’ve watched as today’s GOP flatout denies ANY responsibility for the sorry state of our economy… thereby signaling that they have learned NOTHING and will continue and accelerate these policies which have in large part led to the ruin we live with today.

All simply because “that Obammy’s gotta go! He caused it all! Intentionally! Cuz… he hates Amerka… yeah… he’s the devil incarnate”

Wake the F up. Electing a republican because it’s en-vogue will only make matters worse… and they’ll deny they had anything to do with it after the fact

mm

October 12th, 2011
12:23 pm

MR,

What you fail to point out is that every jobs bill submitted by the GOP was either a complete elimination of corporate tax or had amendments in them to eliminate SS and Medicare. Go peddle stupid somewhere else.

Mick

October 12th, 2011
12:24 pm

mighty

That is a pretty lame attempt at job creation. What does the corporation do in the end? Not create jobs, just put it in their piggy bank for the ceo…

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2011
12:24 pm

Gee bro, perhaps you haven’t noticed that business EMPLOYS people. Without business no one would be EMPLOYED.

That still doesn’t explain your statement. Just as business EMPLOYS people, they also outsource and offshore jobs, resulting in the UNemployment of people. You can’t do one and not have an effect on the other. Common friggin’ sense….

Without business no one would be EMPLOYED.

Tell that to the textile workers in the 1980’s who’s jobs were shipped out. The businesses still exist, but the employment does not. Tell that to anybody else who’s job has been offshored or outsourced. As I said… Common friggin’ sense.

stands for decibels

October 12th, 2011
12:24 pm

the amount of time — now set at 26 weeks — that unemployed Georgians are eligible to collect state-funded benefits.

At the risk of being facile, superficial, and Not Serious?

Goopers are such pigs.

Mighty Righty

October 12th, 2011
12:24 pm

MM

October 12th, 2011
12:14 pm

If as you imply you can send your daughter to college and make your mortgage payment on unemployment you can get a job tommorrow. Walmart, Target, Sears, KMart are all hiring. Within in a year you can be management and make a decent wage. Take charge of your life. Do it now!

JohnnyReb

October 12th, 2011
12:25 pm

We recently posted a job opening and received hundreds of applications. Each applicant received in return basic stupulations of employment like working on Saturday, during holiday periods, taking a drug test, maintaining appearance standards, etc. The hundreds of applicants reduced by more than 90%. From that experience, I decided there are a lot of people who say they want a job, and surely are drawing an unemployment check, who really prefer the check to a job that does not entirely meet their wishes.

Butch Cassidy

October 12th, 2011
12:25 pm

Here’s an idea to save some money on UEI. When you have a claimant wanting benefits, and the employer can show you how many absences, tardiness issues and overall attendance issues logged on the computer generated timesheet that the claimant has had, maybe it would help to NOT give them the benefits. A more in depth line of questioning would help as well. Not, “Do you think you did the job to the best of your abilities”? Yes I did. Okay, go get your check.

Road Scholar

October 12th, 2011
12:26 pm

MR: I’m not picking on you…but… from the link you supplied:

“The Texas lawmaker introduced his own jobs bill on Wednesday, and he gave it the exact same name as the president’s bill. Gohmert says his bill will create jobs simply by taking the corporate tax rate to zero.”

He introduced it WENDESDAY! So, where was the repub jobs bills before that?I think this recession has been going on for some time…

Also, the only thing listed is to cut corporate taxes to zero! My dog could have peed on the newspaer and selected that one! Now, one more time…tax cuts have not been proven to create jobs…say it over and over so that it might enter your brain!!!

Oh, and he was so unoriginal that he used Pres. Obama’s bill name! So creative!

md

October 12th, 2011
12:27 pm

Jay, you can start here:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97620520

As for the 97%………that would leave 3% not covered…….correct?

King of ALL

October 12th, 2011
12:27 pm

If business didn’t stash enough when times were good, then they helped to create the problem and they should start putting in the stash now. However, my fellow Georgians who this affects most will still vote those same Repubs back in to power, so they get what they deserve.

stands for decibels

October 12th, 2011
12:29 pm

He introduced it WENDESDAY!

well, you see, they had all that Hard Work to do up to now, defundin’ the 99%-abortion-oriented Planned Parenthood, and the voter-fraud-enablin’ ACORN, n’ shyt.

Priorities!

godless heathen

October 12th, 2011
12:30 pm

Business causes unemployment. That is just too rich!!

mm causes unemployment because all the unemployed aren’t working for him or her.

mm

October 12th, 2011
12:31 pm

“Walmart, Target, Sears, KMart are all hiring. ”

Yeah, that’s pretty much what’s left of jobs in America thanks to the outsourcing supporting GOP. A couple of months ago, they actually voted against a bill that would give companies a tax break to bring jobs back to America.

Road Scholar

October 12th, 2011
12:32 pm

sfd: You forgot on the state level making English our official language and an immigration control bill where they left out the ability to give temp permits if a demand ensued! oy vey!

Matti's Tough Choices

October 12th, 2011
12:32 pm

carlosgvv: “The sociopaths who run Big Business have no understanding of what compassion is. Enriching their own personal estates is the one and only thing they truly understand.”

Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!

You have reached the ROOT, in your Root Cause Analysis of this matter.

Anyone who doubts this needs to do some reading about the estimated 1 in 25 people who comprise sociopaths among us. Personally, I think the estimate is low, but then I’ve spent decades in the corporate realm where they are indeed more prevalent. (Note to those who want to paint sociopaths as patriotic: Only a sociopath would do that, so stay the heck away from me, creep! I know what you are!)

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

October 12th, 2011
12:32 pm

King, the bad part of that equation is that the fiscally irresponsible neo-cons are the economic equivalent of the homicide bombers.

Sure, they blow themselves to their imagined kingdom come, but alas, they take countless other innocents with them.

mm

October 12th, 2011
12:33 pm

“Business causes unemployment. That is just too rich!!”

Yeah, I guess 10 million people just quit of their own accord.

godless heathen

October 12th, 2011
12:36 pm

Business leaders are homicide bombers, sociopaths? The lefties are really getting into a tizzy.

Mighty Righty

October 12th, 2011
12:37 pm

Brocephus-

You are looking at business from a liberal all business is evil point of view. A more reasonable point is. Business does not want to ship work overseas. Business does not want to lay off people. All business decisions are a function of the market. To think otherwise is wrong. I think you are a policemean. Accept my apology if I am wrong though I admire first responders. But if a suspect is pointing a gun at a police officer and the officer believes the suspect is going to shoot the officer, would it not be proper for the officer to shoot the suspect? Of course it would. Does that mean the officer wanted to shoot the suspect? Of course not. It is a “business” decision. I personally have laid off people. fired people, and been on the business end of a gun. Doesn’t mean I wanted to do it or enjoyed it, but you do what you have to do. It is easy to second guess, but there is no education in it.

JohnnyReb

October 12th, 2011
12:37 pm

Depending on the subject, I may not always be the sharpest knife in the drawer. However, some of you here need to do more research on your hatred for the Right before showing your backside. Why don’t you start with explaining to all of us why Obama kept the Export Bills (three of them) on his desk since innauguration?

Mark T

October 12th, 2011
12:41 pm

So….all the businesses that take tax breaks allowed by the law,

And who makes the laws..big buisness, corporations?…didnt think so…Govt does…so all those degenerates protesting down on Wall St and all over the country need to pack there tents and head on down to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave!

Joe Mama

October 12th, 2011
12:41 pm

mm — “Republicans cannot govern. They just want to be in control of everything. When will voters figure this out?”

As P.J. O’Rourke says, “Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work. Then they get themselves elected and prove it.”

BIG T

October 12th, 2011
12:41 pm

does anyone one know how much a business pays for each employee every year to the Ga Dept of Labor for unemployment insurance?

Adam

October 12th, 2011
12:42 pm

Jay: Well, if they do manage to do this, they will have sealed their fate in upcoming elections, and they will have damaged millions of lives. And then we’ll find out what actually happens when the GOP gets their way on a smaller scale than if they abolished UI from the federal level like they want to do.

Bosch

October 12th, 2011
12:42 pm

Well there you have it folks….business causes unemployment.

Next we’ll see something along the lines of there is no housing crisis because the billboard on the interstate told me so!!!

Junior Samples

October 12th, 2011
12:42 pm

Interesting that our elected officials don’t have the common sense of a squirrel.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

October 12th, 2011
12:43 pm

heathen, the point is that you neo-cons are self-destructive. And want to take everyone else down with you.

YOUR wages have flat-lined for four decades.

Your families, neighborhoods and communities have gotten hammered with unemployment, bankruptcies and rising despair.

Mitt noted it perfectly last night with his observation that middle class Americans are more than ever having an inability to make ends meet.

Yet you flummoxed status quoers apparently think that the Titans of Malfeasance on Wall Street are the victims of economic crime.

And the working Americans the perpetrators.

Thus you denigrate the millions of fed up Americans who are now FINALLY unwilling to sit by like abused dogs and take more of it quietly.

That is your job…

godless heathen

October 12th, 2011
12:44 pm

“Yeah, I guess 10 million people just quit of their own accord.”

No businessmen fired them because they are sociopaths and like homicide bombers.

You have no job – business gives you a job – business lays you off – now you are unemployed and it is the fault of business. Got it!

Imbeciles.

USMC

October 12th, 2011
12:44 pm

UNBELIEVABLE!
Obama sought to apologize for Hiroshima, Nagasaki; Japan said no…
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/587698/201110111829/Apologies-Not-Accepted.htm

Mighty Righty

October 12th, 2011
12:44 pm

RS
I believe it was Wednesday in the middle of Septemeber. Could be wrong.

godless heathen

October 12th, 2011
12:46 pm

AmVet,

You can try to say what I think, but you are wrong, so shove it.

Joe Mama

October 12th, 2011
12:47 pm

Big T — “does anyone one know how much a business pays for each employee every year to the Ga Dept of Labor for unemployment insurance?”

I don’t know the specifics, but my wife is an HR professional, and she tells me that it’s calculated based on a formula. Apparently many variables are accounted for, like number of employees, employee average wage and others. Because of the variables, I expect the amount to be paid would vary from company to company. However, I’m afraid I can’t comment on specifics.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

October 12th, 2011
12:47 pm

And who makes the laws..big buisness, corporations?

No. But often their army of 10,000 lobbyists in Washington write them.

(I’ll be glad to give you numerous examples on very significant pieces of legislation.)

And their servile puppets in congress pass them, written as is, word for word…

Brosephus™

October 12th, 2011
12:47 pm

You are looking at business from a liberal all business is evil point of view. A more reasonable point is. Business does not want to ship work overseas. Business does not want to lay off people. All business decisions are a function of the market. To think otherwise is wrong.

And from your first sentence, you dove into the deep end of the empty pool. Yeah, I currently work in law enforcement, but prior to that, I worked in the private sector and spent quite a few years in retail management.

Business decisions are not a function of the market. Today’s business decisions are made based on the quartely profit report. They have absolutely nothing to do with the market. The upside to that line of thought is that businesses are generating record profits, and those who invest in the businesses (stock) are reaping the benefits also. The downside to that quarterly thinking is that, in a zeal to maximize profit and minimize labor costs, jobs have been shipped out of the US faster than the speed of light.

We’ve reached the point where we no longer have enough manufacturing jobs to pull us out of a recession. If you look at the past few recessions since the 1980’s, recovery has been weaker and weaker each time. In the old days, we could make stuff and sell it to the rest of the world. Even if the domestic markets were weak, we could generate sales overseas and use that to ramp up employment here to help increase domestic demand. We don’t have that luxury anymore since we don’t have the manufacturing capacity to generate demand. Our consumption based economy needs people spending to sustain and increase growth. You can’t do that when people are not working. Our economy is stuck because we don’t have the people working in sufficient numbers to generate enough demand to increase hiring. We won’t be able to put people back to work until demand increases, and demand is not going to increase because people have no money.

I don’t think business is evil, and you won’t hear me say that. I think business leaders are stupid because they don’t look for long term reprecussions of their short term thinking.

Granny Godzilla

October 12th, 2011
12:48 pm

Hey everybody let’s read the text of Mighty Righty’s Jobs bill- it’s a laugh riot – both pages!

Gohmert American Jobs Act Text

A real page turner

Mighty Righty

October 12th, 2011
12:50 pm

Regarding Sears, Target, Walmart, etc. Have you looked at the people that do work there? Yes it is minimum wage part time, but anyone with something on the ball should be in their store manager program within a year. Do nothing and you will be where you are in a year hoping for another unemployment benefit increase! How smart is that?

USinUK

October 12th, 2011
12:50 pm

usmc – from your (ahem) “article” … “A heretofore secret cable dated Sept. 3, 2009, was recently released by WikiLeaks. Sent to Secretary of State Clinton, it reported Japan’s Vice Foreign Minister Mitoji Yabunaka telling U.S. Ambassador John Roos that “the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a ‘nonstarter.’”

they could be bothered to quote the Japanese foreigh minister, but they couldn’t be bothered to quote the original request.

funny that.

:roll:

Guy Incognito

October 12th, 2011
12:51 pm

Sorry Granny, it was the OWSers who were Anti-Semitic. Nice diversion tho’

dailycaller.com/…/07/anti-semitism-at-​occupy-wall-street
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/​9334-anti...
desertpeace.wordpress.com/2011/10/08/​the-anti-semitism…

MM

October 12th, 2011
12:52 pm

@ “Mighty Righty”

Read carefully and you will notice I stated I can no longer send my daughter to college. I also state that I can’t pay my regular mortgage and am participating in a mortgage forebearance program. Finally, one of my main points is that I will lose my home and much more if I take a McJob at Walmart, Target, Sears, KMart.

Take charge of your own life and learn to read you sanctimonious ass!