Do Cain’s opponents believe that he’s a legit threat?

One of the things to watch for in tonight’s GOP debate is how Herman Cain is treated by his fellow candidates. Is he perceived as a threat? Do they take his chances seriously?

The Hermanator is certainly running high in the polls right now — tied with Mitt Romney in Virginia, for example. A poll in Iowa puts him within three points of Romney there as well.

Based on history, that kind of performance ought to make Cain a target in the debate, because that’s what happens to top-tier candidates. When Rick Perry entered the race and seemed a real threat, Romney wasted no time attacking him, with Michele Bachmann gleefully joining in. Perry hasn’t been the same since.

Perry, for his part, has returned fire at Bachmann and especially at Romney, both in speeches and in a hard-hitting ad that links RomneyCare to ObamaCare. And earlier in the campaign, when Bachmann identified fellow Minnesotan Tim Pawlenty as a threat to her chances in Iowa, she spent a good portion of one debate dismantling the former governor, and to great effect. Shortly thereafter, he dropped out of the race.

Gingrich, Huntsman and until now Cain, not so much. They’ve been treated as harmless afterthoughts by the top candidates. (Ron Paul is a special case, as both his admirers and detractors would agree).

So if Romney, Perry and Bachmann do perceive Cain as a legitimate threat to win the nomination, they’ll begin to question him and his policies directly. Call it a sign of respect. Maybe they’ll ask him why, in 2008, he strongly backed the TARP bailout and treated opponents with such condescension, attacking them as “free market purists (who) want you to believe that this is the end of capitalism as we know it.” Maybe they’ll press him on why he dismissed an audit of the Federal Reserve, saying those who thought an audit necessary just didn’t know enough about the Fed. (They also ought to challenge him on the fact that his “9-9-9″ plan would significantly raise taxes on the poor and middle class, but this being a Republican debate, that probably won’t happen.)

On the other hand, if they continue to treat Cain with kid gloves, preferring to direct their fire elsewhere, that will say a lot as well.

– Jay Bookman

445 comments Add your comment

Brosephus™

October 11th, 2011
12:32 pm

It’s still way too early to take anybody serious. This debate will be yet another episode of Perry vs Romney. Seems like that show has already started running re-runs.

Joe Mama

October 11th, 2011
12:35 pm

I think his fellow GOP candidates see him as a threat, but even if he gets the nomination, I don’t see him as one.

That being said, I don’t think he’s at all likely to get the nomination, but I could see him being offered a veep spot on the ticket. While I think that a wingnut like Michelle Bachmann stands a better chance of being offered veep (to get her fellow wingnuts to turn out to the polls), I think that a veep Caindidate would be more appealing to moderates and might present more of a threat to Obama.

But I think Ol’ Joe would tear Herman up in a VP debate.

RB from Gwinnett

October 11th, 2011
12:35 pm

Jay, the word “that” shouldn’t be in your headline. A “journalist” should know that.

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2011
12:35 pm

On the other hand, if they continue to treat Cain with kid gloves, preferring to direct their fire elsewhere, that will say a lot as well.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate that what it says is “*I’m* not gonna be the first one to go after the black guy!”

Joe Mama

October 11th, 2011
12:37 pm

RB — “Jay, the word “that” shouldn’t be in your headline. A “journalist” should know that.”

Journalists rarely if ever write their own headlines.

Paul

October 11th, 2011
12:37 pm

Will Cain stand by his earlier positions and get booed by the crowd for challenging simplistic thinking? Or will he revert to more pizza ad sloganeering? Will he be challenged on not knowing what the Social Security tax rate is for individuals (hint, Herman, it’s not 15%) and on the idea taxing food and medicine gives poor people the opportunity to leverage their income?

It could be a good debate if the questioners are competent.

getalife

October 11th, 2011
12:37 pm

willard/cain vs President Obama/ Hillary Clinton.

Joe Mama

October 11th, 2011
12:39 pm

getalife — “willard/cain”

Wasn’t there a creepy movie in the 70’s called Willard?

Peadawg

October 11th, 2011
12:39 pm

Cain/Romney/Obama

Is there an option D? You know, someone who knows how to turn this country around? Looks like I may be sitting 2012 out like I did w/ Deal vs. Barnes.

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2011
12:39 pm

Will he be challenged on not knowing what the Social Security tax rate is for individuals

ooh, I hadn’t heard that one.

Brad Steel

October 11th, 2011
12:39 pm

maybe they will ask him about is 6-6-6 plan and his support of the occult, i mean mormonism, which is like christianity only a lot whiter.

Jefferson

October 11th, 2011
12:40 pm

Cain always has and still has ZERO chance. 999 is plain stupid.

getalife

October 11th, 2011
12:41 pm

Joe,

Yes, willard and his rats.

Jefferson

October 11th, 2011
12:44 pm

Let them ask each other questions. Then we can see how they dodge reality.

Brosephus™

October 11th, 2011
12:44 pm

Jefferson

999 might be stupid, but it shows that Cain has actually thought beyond the usual “tax cuts spur growth” crap. I give him credit for thinking of something slightly different as the 999 plan is nothing but a backdoor tax cut for those who least need it.

getalife

October 11th, 2011
12:44 pm

They should ask cain about his secret economists that endorsed his 9.99 pizza plan.

It’s a lie.

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2011
12:44 pm

Paul

October 11th, 2011
12:44 pm

Hello, stands for decibels

From Face the Nation last Sunday. He had some other lulus, too.

“Schieffer: Let me ask you one certainty is that poor people are going to have to pay more taxes.

Cain: No, no

(CBS News)

Schieffer: They’re not?

Cain: Let’s start with the payroll tax. It’s 15.3%. Everybody pays that. So instead of paying 15.3% they’re going to be paying 9%. That’s a 6 percentage point difference. If you work that out for various income levels, they will have extra cash from that differential to pay the sales tax.

Schieffer: Aren’t poor people also going to get to pay a tax on food and a tax on medicine?

Cain: We all will. We all will. You have to work….

Schieffer: Do you think that’s fair?

Cain: Yes, because you give poor people more opportunity to stretch their dollar and leverage their income based upon their decisions whether to buy new or used goods.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/09/ftn/main20117827.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

October 11th, 2011
12:46 pm

Well, he’s a legit threat to me. We already have one of Those People in the White House. If we ever get rid of him I sure don’t want to see another one go in there. Unless it’s as a cook or servant or something like that.

Besides, I’ve been looking at his 9-9-9 plan. My buddy Jim Earl says I’d wind up actually paying income taxes under it. I like the one we have now where I get all my withholding back and they use a little trick to give me several thousand more. Something called EIC. That little _____ Zell George sure is a gold mine. One that this Herman Cain would take away from me. The tax benefits, I mean. I’m sure Cain wouldn’t want to raise ____ Zell George and it’s for darn sure ____ Zell George wouldn’t want to be brought up by one of Those People. He’s heard us talking in the trailer long enough to know that. He’d have to sing rap songs and father three or four kids with different women and all that stuff.

Anyhow, can’t we find a good White Conservative to be President of the U.S. of A.?

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Jefferson

October 11th, 2011
12:48 pm

Bro, they all should have to think. But to bring out 999, would be better to keep the trap shut. Flatter taxes are not better.

Why don’t the retired folks jump up and down over it? They don’t have that money to spend — just so he can have a tax break.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

October 11th, 2011
12:48 pm

Herr Cain is a laughable little bigot.

The man has never demonstrated that he is even qualified to hold the office of Dogcatcher, yet he thinks he can be the leader of the free world???

A never-served coward without a clue, who fancies himself some sort of Eisenhower.

He even lied about being too young to get involved with the Civil Rights protests.

A neo-con’s wet dream…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 11th, 2011
12:49 pm

Perhaps Cain should start by apologizing to Ubecki becki becki stan stan and why he would endanger negotiations intended to help our troops…. does not sound very presidential.

MoreRightthanLeft

October 11th, 2011
12:49 pm

Cain still has/had more experience than Obama had/did..keep listening..you might learn something

ByteMe

October 11th, 2011
12:49 pm

They also ought to challenge him on the fact that his “9-9-9″ plan would significantly raise taxes on the poor and middle class, but this being a Republican debate, that probably won’t happen.)

Or they can just target his claim it’s “revenue neutral”, which it falls about $500 billion short, which means about $2 trillion short of our current spending pattern. With no information on how he plans to decrease spending by $2 trillion (hint: all the discretionary spending we do doesn’t total that).

Jefferson

October 11th, 2011
12:49 pm

The GOP won’t embrace Cain its really that simple.

ByteMe

October 11th, 2011
12:52 pm

Reality is more like 15-15-15.

And he wants no taxes on cap gains or dividends…. another tax break for the uber-wealthy class who don’t have income outside investments.

getalife

October 11th, 2011
12:52 pm

cain does not have any experience,

Our President has three years experience.

BTW, he got obl.

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2011
12:52 pm

It’s 15.3%. Everybody pays that. So instead of paying 15.3% they’re going to be paying 9%. That’s a 6 percentage point difference.

For the record, these days it actually comes to10.4%, although presumably it’ll be allowed to go back to 12.4 again some day.

Gordon

October 11th, 2011
12:53 pm

It will be Romney versus Obama. Deep down we all know that.

ByteMe

October 11th, 2011
12:54 pm

It will be Romney versus Obama. Deep down we all know that.

yes, but we don’t have to like it.

Brosephus™

October 11th, 2011
12:54 pm

Jefferson

True. I only give him credit for actually proposing something that doesn’t sound pre-packaged by the GOP’s version of HAL. His plan would work about as well as HOT lanes in GA. :)

Cain still has/had more experience than Obama had/did..keep listening..you might learn something

What experience? Business experience? Running the government as a business would mean that you advocate taxing people in excess of what the government spends in order for the government to show a profit. I hope that’s not what you’re talking about.

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2011
12:54 pm

Cain still has/had more experience than Obama had/did..

Well technically, anyone born before 1961 has “more experience” than Obama, but BF’nD.

stands for decibels

October 11th, 2011
12:54 pm

Running the government as a business would mean that you advocate taxing people in excess of what the government spends in order for the government to show a profit.

I’m definitely stealing that.

Fun to watch

October 11th, 2011
12:55 pm

Funny how RB comes here every day and is just so disgusted with Jay’s “journalistic” abilities, not to mention his viewpoints. Reminds one of the old Woody Allen movie, with the 2 old ladies at the resort in the Catskills…

Lady 1: “Ugh, can you believe the food here? It’s terrible”.

Lady 2: “I know, awful! And such small portions!”

willie lynch

October 11th, 2011
12:55 pm

Just ask Michael Steele how quickly being the GOP token representative worked out.

Granny Godzilla

October 11th, 2011
12:55 pm

Cain 2012

oh please oh please oh please

Gordon

October 11th, 2011
12:55 pm

ByteMe@12:54,

I agree.

getalife

October 11th, 2011
12:55 pm

“It will be Romney versus Obama. Deep down we all know that.”

True, it is willard’s turn to lose to our President.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

October 11th, 2011
12:56 pm

Cain still has/had more experience than Obama had/did..

A patently absurd lie.

BHO served as a state and US Senator for twelve years before winning the White House.

Herman has never, ever run for any elected office and actually won a race. Ever.

And making pizzas is NOT the kind of experience we need in the White House.

At least outside of the White House kitchen…

TaxPayer

October 11th, 2011
12:58 pm

Cain could pose a serious threat for the Republican primary (the Tea Partyers just cannot make up their minds between Cain, Bachmann and Perry so they need tie breaker) if he were to offer up a good $5.99 pizza but that 999 thing will never fly.

St Simons - we're on Island time

October 11th, 2011
12:59 pm

http://wonkette.com/454499/ask-herman-cain-a-foreign-policy-question-and-hell-respond-in-tongues

Pizza vanity campaigner Herman Cain has inexplicably not yet exhausted his six seconds of GOP presidential field relevancy, so we must listen to him doing this thing… speaking in tongues here, in an interview, in a dark cave? “UBEKI BEKI BEKI BEKI BAH BAH STAN O BAN STAN SO WHUT WHUT,” he says. Hm, maybe it’s a magick spell, against Mitt Romney’s Moon Jesus? No, it’s some kind of teatard gibberish about how the country formerly called “Uzbekistan” is lame, because Herman Cain is proudly uninformed when it comes to foreign policy issues and from now on anyone asking him Gotcha Questions™ (please make your twenty-three cent royalty check payable to Sarah Palin) about “other countries on earth” will be harangued with a series of nonsense syllables.

Bosch

October 11th, 2011
1:00 pm

I…..give up.

Brosephus™

October 11th, 2011
1:00 pm

I’m definitely stealing that.

I wonder how many of those who spout that s**t actually understand the complete idea that they are championing. It has nothing to do with cutting spending at all. Regardless of how you cut spending, you still have to tax in excess of that spending to run a profit. That’s what businesses do. They generate profits. Running the government like a business means that regulations, fees, taxes, and everything else would have to be designed to create a profit, and not just balance a damn budget.

Gordon

October 11th, 2011
1:00 pm

“And making pizzas is NOT the kind of experience we need in the White House.

At least outside of the White House kitchen…”

Now just imagine if Cain were a Democrat and some conservative made that comment. Wow. I know what was meant and so does everyone else, but you just can’t say things like that – at least some people can’t.

md

October 11th, 2011
1:00 pm

Doubt the debate will yield much………but as usual, the spin by the various media outlets certainly will.

I also doubt a large swath of the masses will do any real research on the candidates, instead relying on the media to tell them what they want to hear or not hear. Much like Perry’s ad on Romney care.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 11th, 2011
1:02 pm

kayaker 71

October 11th, 2011
1:03 pm

Oh well, Slick Willy made no bones about who should be serving coffee, now did he?

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

October 11th, 2011
1:04 pm

Regarding that latest foot-in-mouth-disease video of the him, Herman is the anti-Nixon.

Profoundly ignorant on a vast array of issues and fiercely proud of it…

Brosephus™

October 11th, 2011
1:04 pm

Gordon

I guess that is a dig at Italians everywhere as they know Cain could not possibly make a pizza on his own without buying/commandeering somebody else’s recipe. :roll:

md

October 11th, 2011
1:04 pm

“Running the government like a business means that regulations, fees, taxes, and everything else would have to be designed to create a profit, and not just balance a damn budget.”

Hmmm……….isn’t that why many businesses are called “non-profit”? Those, along with co-ops seem to work fairly well.

Certainly better than 14 trillion in debt………..

F. Sinkwich

October 11th, 2011
1:04 pm

“BHO served as a state and US Senator for twelve years before winning the White House.”

Yeah, voting ‘present’ and running for higher office.

Hopey/Changey’s experience consisted of being a no-account community agitator aligned with ACORN and SEIU thugs, unrepentant terrorists, and racist ministers.

No wonder the lib ilk likes him so much.

Joe Mama

October 11th, 2011
1:05 pm

AmVet — “And making pizzas is NOT the kind of experience we need in the White House.”

Respectfully, this sort of criticism is just mean-spirited. Cain didn’t make pizzas; he ran the entire pizza-selling company.

There are plenty of perfectly valid ways to criticize Cain and his positions without stooping to characterizing him a pizza maker or something similar.

Granny Godzilla

October 11th, 2011
1:05 pm

Gordon

You are right we all know what that means.

It means being a Pizza magnate (who won’t release data about that supposed success BTW) does not make for presidential qualifications.

If you see more than that in that remark the issue comes from within your own heart.

RB from Gwinnett

October 11th, 2011
1:06 pm

“Lady 1: “Ugh, can you believe the food here? It’s terrible”.

Lady 2: “I know, awful! And such small portions!””

Hey, if you have to points to make, just attempt to belittle your opponent. In fact, as I read almost all of what you libs have posted here, it’s all belittle. Belittle Cain’s experienc, his plan, pretty much everything about the man. For a bunch of people who claim to be “tolerant”, you sure are thick on the personal attacks.

Granny Godzilla

October 11th, 2011
1:07 pm

This is why we love ole’ Sinkwich

“Hopey/Changey’s experience consisted of being a no-account community agitator aligned with ACORN and SEIU thugs, unrepentant terrorists, and racist ministers.

Tragically comic relief.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 11th, 2011
1:07 pm

Personally I think the Rent Is Too Damn High guy would make a better candidate than Cain.

“The Rent is too damn high” vs “If you aren’t rich, its your own fault.” — Only one of these actually make sense and it not the one filled with blame.

md

October 11th, 2011
1:08 pm

“And making pizzas is NOT the kind of experience we need in the White House.”

Really Am?……that kind of comment reflects more on you than him. I’m not big on Cain, but one should give the man his due for his accomplishments.

Jefferson

October 11th, 2011
1:08 pm

The Godfather’s pizzer had way too much bread in the crust. Higher profit.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

October 11th, 2011
1:09 pm

Gordon, you may be right.

Lots and lots of thin-skinned, self-righteous indignation out there.

I’m not interested in any of it, because I am always so cool and so correct.

(I believe a little self-deprecation and “insensitivity” goes a long way towards our collective sanity…)

kayaker 71

October 11th, 2011
1:09 pm

Granny,

Nothing comic about that. Tragic, however.

Joe Mama

October 11th, 2011
1:09 pm

F. Sinkiewicz — “Yeah, voting ‘present’ and running for higher office.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44758503

Fun to watch

October 11th, 2011
1:09 pm

RB – you belittled Jay’s headline (which I doubt he even wrote).

Joe the Plutocrat

October 11th, 2011
1:10 pm

I hate to all Redneck Convert here, but enough is enough. when will the GOP end this nonsense and endorse/nominate one of “those people”. and by those people, I mean fiscally conservative/libertarian/Constitutionalist libertarian. Herman Cain cannot hold Gary Johnson’s corporate tax returns when it comes to “successful businessman”. serving as CEO of a fast food enterprise, or officer with the Federal Reserve is hardly the pinacle of “success” in the private sector. as both private sector entreprenuer AND public sector executive; Johnson has a record of private sector job growth AND public sector job reduction (shrinking government). unlike Cain, who fears Sharia law, Muslims, and connot seem to determine if he favors a national sales tax or the IRS; Johnson has been clear and unambiguous about his desire to: end the wars and bring troops home, abolish the IRS and audit the Federal Reserve Bank, and get the government out of the private lives of Americans (same sex marriage, legalize marijuana, abortion rights). I understand why the abortion issue is cause for concern for some theological conservatives, but folks, let’s not throw the unborn babies out with the bath water. abortion is not the reason we have a $15 trillion nation debt. abortion is not the reason tens of thousands of Americans have died and been seriously wounded “defending” freedom in other parts of the world. again, excuse the vulgar, racists imagery, but Cain is a “house boy” who is tap dancing until the true GOP nominee is sellected or recruited by the party elites.

Joe Mama

October 11th, 2011
1:10 pm

RB — “Belittle Cain’s experienc, his plan, pretty much everything about the man. For a bunch of people who claim to be “tolerant”, you sure are thick on the personal attacks.”

Sinkiewicz — “Hopey/Changey’s experience consisted of being a no-account community agitator aligned with ACORN and SEIU thugs, unrepentant terrorists, and racist ministers.”

RB, let’s see you and him fight.

Jm

October 11th, 2011
1:10 pm

Cain is a practical realist with business sense and real management skills

If he gets the nomination, I’m more than fine with that

It will be telling if he receives incoming fire

Keep Up the Good Fight!

October 11th, 2011
1:11 pm

Christie is going to endorse Mitt….

Doggone/GA

October 11th, 2011
1:12 pm

“It will be telling if he receives incoming fire”

It will be MUCH more telling how he actually handles incoming fire.

Brosephus™

October 11th, 2011
1:12 pm

Hmmm……….isn’t that why many businesses are called “non-profit”? Those, along with co-ops seem to work fairly well.

I’m sure there are more “for-profit” businesses when compared to “non-profit”. That said, even non-profits have to generate enough to cover services and administrative costs and such. Co-ops charge more for their services, and give a dividend back when the charges exceed costs. When the government is borrowing 40% just to cover current spending, there is no way to cut 40% from the budget without killing the economy. Either way, we’d be looking at big tax increases just to balance the budget. If you want to add in debt reduction, then the government would definitely have to be a “for-profit”. Otherwise the debt will continue to grow simply because of compounding interest.

willie lynch

October 11th, 2011
1:12 pm

It used to be said that between 11:00am and 12 noon on Sunday was the most segregated hour of the week. Well, now that church is such a big business you can probably extend that time period.

This is Herman Cains biggest problem. He may appeal to those white evangelicals in public but behind the voting booth curtain is another story. Cain feels like he’s “crossed over” because he’s got a catchy slogan on a plan that’s already been shot dead, but he doesn’t see that he’s only appealing because he’s the only person of color in the room.

The saddest part of the Cain saga is that he believes he has a shot. It’s like the prisoner who’s running to the wall and is just about to reach it when he gets shot down.

Poor Herman is running in the wrong direction.

Gordon

October 11th, 2011
1:13 pm

Granny@1:05

“If you see more than that in that remark the issue comes from within your own heart.”

Oh b***s***. You know that if I or anyone else had made a “belongs in the kitchen” comment about Obama I would be crucified, and rightfully so. Don’t play dumb with me, and get off you high horse with this “comes from your heart” nonsense.

Gordon

October 11th, 2011
1:15 pm

AmVet@1:09,

I don’t for a minute believe you meant it in that way – I was just pointing out the double standard. And you’re right, it is just thin-skinned self-righteous indignation.

jt-Read My Lips. No new Old,worn-out FDR style statist policies -jt

October 11th, 2011
1:15 pm

Hey Brocephus–
.
Are you still glad that the CDC is in Atlanta?
.
I know of a little boy and a dog that isn’t.

Adam

October 11th, 2011
1:16 pm

You don’t run a government like a business. You run a government to dot he things that need to be done, but that no business will do.

F. Sinkwich

October 11th, 2011
1:16 pm

I speak truth to lib ilk.

St Simons - we're on Island time

October 11th, 2011
1:17 pm

“give the man his due for his accomplishments.” I’ll take this one for 400 AmAlex

How does closing 20% of Godfather’s Pizza outlets and firing 300-400 people make you a “job creator”? The “raving commie liberals” at Business Week suggest that the Fabulous Godfather’s Turnaround is mostly a matter of Herman Cain self-promotion than anything else:

“Yet it’s not at all clear that Cain’s efforts made that much of a difference in Godfather’s fortunes. He says the company was losing $8 million a year when he took over and turned a profit of $4 million two years later. You’ll have to take his word for it. Cain, who declined to be interviewed, WILL NOT RELEASE details of the company’s performance under his leadership. Publicly available figures show Godfather’s sales fluctuated from about $225 million to about $275 million during his time there, sometimes rising, sometimes falling, never surging. Godfather’s didn’t go out of business; neither did it become a major combatant in the pizza wars, and Pillsbury sold Godfather’s to Cain and a group of investors in 1988. The group asked him to leave in 1996.”

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

October 11th, 2011
1:18 pm

Oh I see, my kitchen comment was interpreted as somehow nefariously bigoted.

Ironic, given that Herman’s predilection for actually proposing bigoted policies is unquestionable, huh?

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

October 11th, 2011
1:19 pm

Thanks, Gordon, I know you didn’t…

RB from Gwinnett

October 11th, 2011
1:19 pm

“RB, let’s see you and him fight.”

He’s not the one out there preaching tolerance.

F. Sinkwich

October 11th, 2011
1:20 pm

Cain has a steller record as a problem solver.

Hopey/Changey has a proven record of gross incompetence.

Adam

October 11th, 2011
1:20 pm

RB, from downstairs: Shouldn’t you be whining about Harry Reid blocking the vote on the bill? Do you even care that it’s Harry Reid who has held up the vote on this bill or would you prefer to post inaccurate bumper stickers for the enjoyment of morons who don’t know any better?

Jeez. Well after today you lose THAT talking point, just like you guys lost “where’s the birth certificate?” and “where’s your plan?” talking points. Oh, and you lost the national security debate a LONG time ago. Notice no one questions the Republican candidates on National Security at all now. They don’t want to make them look bad in an unfair fight as to who is better at THAT.

Jm

October 11th, 2011
1:22 pm

mm

October 11th, 2011
1:22 pm

Ah yes, the 9-9-9 plan. Not a single republican has come up with a tax plan that is revenue neutral. But we all know their MO. Borrow and spend. At least the dems tax before spending.

RB from Gwinnett

October 11th, 2011
1:22 pm

“How does closing 20% of Godfather’s Pizza outlets and firing 300-400 people make you a “job creator”? ”

Ummmmmm….. if you don’t take steps to make the company solvent, it goes out of business and EVERYBODY who works there is unemployed.

Is that really that hard to understand?

Brosephus™

October 11th, 2011
1:24 pm

Are you still glad that the CDC is in Atlanta?
.
I know of a little boy and a dog that isn’t.

Yeah, I’m glad the CDC is still in Atlanta. I don’t really desire to bleed from the eyes by coming down with Ebola or some other nasty virus. I’m also glad that the lady got arrested for what she did. Unlike you, I don’t think one bad person is indicative of the entire organization being bad. I know enough that you will find good and bad people in any group, including the descendants of the original inhabitants of North America.

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 11th, 2011
1:24 pm

Sinkwich: “No wonder the lib ilk likes him so much.”

Aww, he called us “ilk”! I’m so offended. I hate being called “ilk”!

Wait a minute though. I don’t much care for the guy you try to pillory as “hopey changey”.

So, don’t tell me, does that mean I’m not a “liberal”, or what?

Bet the Sinkwich world-view doesn’t really have an answer for that one huh?

willie lynch

October 11th, 2011
1:24 pm

Gordon

October 11th, 2011
1:13 pm

Unfortunately Cains experience in the food service industry make things like that easy.

While he may have had the chops to make it as a business man listening to him and his constant waffling, doesn’t leave me hungering for his redundant smorgasbord of inconsistency.

Having had ample time to chew on his ideas I think we’d be better served filling our plates with something a bit more nutritious.

Just food for thought.

Jm

October 11th, 2011
1:24 pm

Doggone 1:12. True enough

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

October 11th, 2011
1:25 pm

JohnnyReb

October 11th, 2011
1:25 pm

Cain has too many one-liner replies that rev up the audience but don’t really answer the issue sufficiently to gain respect (my respect at least).

Christie is to endorse Romney, which in itself indicates that had Christie thrown his hat in, the base would have been as disappointed in him as they are Romney.

My hopes are on Santorum (Progressives, roll eyes now). Before you count him out and crown Romney, at this time in 2008 I believe the front runners were Giuliani and Thompson.

Joe the Plutocrat

October 11th, 2011
1:25 pm

hey folks, enough already. when’s the last time ANYONE ordered a Godfather’s pizza? frankly, I give Cain high marks as a Morehouse grad and math whiz with the Navy, but again, lot’s of folks have graduated from Morehouse and lots of folks have worked as computer geeks for the Navy. these accomplishments have nothing to do with being POTUS, unless the ability to regurgitate information and obey the orders of one’s boss/overlord… well I’ll be darned; Cain will make an excellent president!

TaxPayer

October 11th, 2011
1:26 pm

Republicans sure do have a tough choice to make for their presidential candidate. Who to pick. Maybe they should start offering Palin a cash incentive to get back in the race.

godless heathen

October 11th, 2011
1:26 pm

Well Mr. Belafonte sees Cain as “a bad apple”. I think that’s code for “Uncle Tom.”. But Mr. Belafonte also seems to have little regard for Colin Powell or Condi Rice. Why is opinion matters is a curiosity.

USAIDWHAT?

October 11th, 2011
1:26 pm

Ya know, for someone who hasn’t got a chance (according to Jay), there sure is a lot being written about him on this democRATic blog. He can take Hussan O’Bama any day of the week.
Your hope and change man is toast

JohnnyReb

October 11th, 2011
1:27 pm

Taxpayer – it’s fun watching the Left pick our candidate!

Jm

October 11th, 2011
1:28 pm

Welcome to the occupation (Trotsky)

October 11th, 2011
1:29 pm

I get the idea the Democratic party thinks that it’s somehow better than the venomous scumbags in the other party.

They’re not. They need to be shaken down and hauled off with just as extreme prejudice. The political system needs to be stripped from the hands of these people. Which will mean mass uprisings and strikes.

The OWS protests are just a drop in the bucket.

TaxPayer

October 11th, 2011
1:30 pm

If Cain expects to stand a chance in the south, he needs to offer up $1.99 all you can eat special topped with American cheese because that’s what those Patriotic Republicans go for.

Brosephus™

October 11th, 2011
1:31 pm

I think that’s code for “Uncle Tom.”

Hopefully you’re not paid to think.

kayaker 71

October 11th, 2011
1:31 pm

Most liberals believe that Cain will end up in the trash heap of defeated candidates because he is the whipping BOY of the Republicans. He and people like him, J.C. Watts, Alan West, Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, John McWhorter….. all black and all conservative…. must be out of their mind to break with tradition. Words like oreo, Uncle Tom, not black enough and others not fit to print, have been used to describe conservative black Republicans. The double standard shouts loudly in this debate, usually resulting in pissed off liberals who just cannot believe that a black person might just have a mind of their own which does not subscribe to the traditional liberal bu*l sh*t.
If Cain gets the nomination, I will man telephone lines, go door to door (in some Macon neighborhoods) and support him in anyway I can. And when he gets the nomination and is elected by all of these Republican bigots out there, I will cook your liberal crow any way you want it. You count out Cain at your peril. Hell, the black community ought to be overjoyed. Cain is really the first truly black candidate to run for president.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

October 11th, 2011
1:32 pm

Let’s review Cain’s “practical realism” in his campaign so far.

No stance on Afghanistan as he prefers to remain ignorant, until someday in the future, when he educates himself on the matter.

Want’s Muslims to take an oath before serving in his administration. (Like they ever would.)

32 years on and he stupidly didn’t even know that the US does not officially recognize Taiwan’s government.

Thinks “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” are in the US Constitution.

Says black people are brainwashed for not voting for Republicans.

Calls the protesters “un-American”.

Has absolutely no clue what is even meant by the Palestinian right of return.

Yep, he’s the intellectual heavyweight I want running the show…