‘Occupy Wall Street’ not as ‘fringe’ as some like to believe
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Federal Hall National Memorial was built at the site where Congress held its first session, at the foot of Wall Street in New York City.
The First Amendment, part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified by Congress meeting at Federal Hall in New York City on Sept. 25, 1789. Today, a motley, disorganized group of American citizens is exercising its First Amendment rights to peaceably assemble and to petition their government, literally within steps of where Congress met to acknowledge those rights.
The movement’s goals are at best uncertain, and to the extent they can be determined, in some ways extreme and unrealistic. And as has been demonstrated convincingly with other large political gatherings, it is certainly possible to wade into the crowd to find people whose antics and beliefs can be used to discredit the larger effort.
The protesters are at least pretty clear about what they don’t like: They don’t like the fact that Wall Street and the financial sector benefited enormously from taxpayer-funded bailouts, while insisting that ordinary Americans neither need nor deserve such assistance.
As the protesters like to chant, “The big banks got bailed, but the middle class got left behind.” Rasmussen reports, 79 percent of Americans say they agree with that sentiment. Only 10 percent disagree.
As Rasmussen assesses its poll findings, “The bailouts of the financial industry still leave a sour taste in the mouths of most Americans, who feel as strongly as ever that the government was looking out for bankers rather than taxpayers and that crimes on Wall Street remain unpunished.”
Earlier this year, Gallup conducted what has become an annual polling of Americans on their attitudes toward major corporations. Not surprisingly, given the role that Wall Street greed and arrogance played in creating this economic crisis, the public isn’t all that happy with them.
In fact, two-thirds of Americans say they are dissatisfied with the size and influence of corporations in national life.
But take another look at the charts above and below. This sense of dissatisfaction and distrust began to grow long before the crisis of 2008. Those events merely helped to crystallize sentiments that in fact had been building for years.
In other words, it’s easy to dismiss “Occupy Wall Street” as the work of the radical fringe, because in some ways it is. But what makes it bigger than that is the fact that the misgivings and distrust it is expressing are felt much more broadly, not just in campus coffee houses but in small-town diners, and not just in liberal chat rooms but in Tea Party meetings as well.
You don’t have to agree with the solutions they propose in order to recognize that the problems they dramatize and publicize have merit. Tens of millions of American citizens understand that .
– Jay Bookman
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Strawman
October 6th, 2011
7:29 pm
“…obsequious ostriches…”
LOL, I missed that. What a mental image this phrase evokes. Are these birds fawning so much they forget to put their heads in the sand?
Chronos
October 6th, 2011
7:29 pm
West Indian Charlie
October 6th, 2011
7:31 pm
Oh well another fine article from Jay and again I am late to the blog so many other people ahead of me.Sigh! I wont even bother to put in my two cents worth. I am with the protesters though if anyone happen to read all the way to the five hundred comment.
Mighty Righty
October 6th, 2011
7:33 pm
These mobs are the result of Obama’s class warfare rhetoric. His aim has been to stir up sophmoric ignorance and use for his own distructive purpose. His frequent speeeches to college students about the evils of wealth appeal to their undeveloped minds. TV reporter interviews with the mob participants demonstrate how dangerously out of touch with reality the mobs are. Their simple minded solutions have universal appeal to free loader socialist communists. Obama is acheiving his goal of dividing america into his version of haves and have nots.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 6th, 2011
7:34 pm
I thought I heard or read somewhere that the unemployment percentage for college graduates was 4.5%. Need to research that…does anyone know about the actual statistic?
Chronos
October 6th, 2011
7:38 pm
And I would point out that the recent economic meltdown was precipitated by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae’s involvment in the purchasing of substandard loans. FMac and FMae were established by the Feds, and pursuant to pressure from Congress, encouraged banks (by agreeing to repurchase the crappy loans) to give loans to people who were likely to default. Your govenment at work!
Strawman
October 6th, 2011
7:39 pm
Dear Mr. Reiner:
The solution lies in adaptation. You have a college education, managerial experience and probably a host of marketable skills. While you are job hunting, retool in order to seek employment in field that is hiring. You may not make quite as much as you were, but you’ll make a lot more than your wife. I am able to work in there entirely different fields and get recruiters contacting me all the time for two of them.
Sincerely,
Steadily Employed For Many Years
Soothsayer
October 6th, 2011
7:41 pm
Well, it’s just as plain as the nose on your face. If you don’t agree with something (or somebody) you just get out your M60 and get on down there and “clean house.”
I know them radicals of the ’60s has done traumatized me to the point that if I get a good enough chance I’m sure ‘nough gonna set things straight.
Why, it’s just plumb un-American! Disaffected youth with no hope, no jobs, and no future marchin’ on Wall Street what done shipped their jobs, their future, their hope over to China — which is as Socialist as they come.
Marchin’ on Wall Street what done wrecked out economy by gamblin’ away our wealth. Why it’s plumb disgraceful. Them kids outta be glad they can find a job at McDonalds or Wal-Mart and jist quit complanin’.
It’s lock oldguy says: they outta jist be “mowed down” and taught a lesson.
Here’s what some other poster guy said that I thought was right smart:
“Years ago standing up for what you believed in meant the “Boston Tea Party”, “Stamp Act Protests” “Vietman Protests” “Civil Rights March” the rise of such figures as “Martin Luther King” and “Paul Revere” “Abraham Lincoln” more…
Today..standing up for the American Dream which is slowly being erased by the greed of Wall Street and the Power of Corporations means being labeled a “deadbeat”, told “why are you protesting get a job”.. and more..
I have a job fortunately yet I know many who don’t…I have seen them try to hang onto their homes(yes HOME..they didn’t buy a McMansion or play the REFI/Equity game)..I have seen family members who are seniors who saved their whole life have to change plans that they dreamed of because their retirement money is earning next to nothing…
The American Spirit is like many things in this world..facing true extinction…”
Jm
October 6th, 2011
7:41 pm
Usmc they are sweet
Occupiers want business out of politics and government
No worry
It’s mutual
When government gets out of business then there’s plenty they can discuss
kayaker 71
October 6th, 2011
7:42 pm
Mighty Righty,
It isn’t just Obama. There have been more than a share of liberal college professors who have joined the fray, although they retire to their classy NY apartments following the demonstration and hash it over with their friends about how they have become a part of the mainstream transformation of evil America, all the while relishing their tenure in some liberal bastion of higher learning. Most have never held an honest job, made a payroll or become involved in anything more important than a college lecture about how to screw the very America that has given them a chance to be who they are. And their students swallow this crap line and sinker.
AmVet
October 6th, 2011
7:44 pm
Straw, I’m a big fan of alliteration.
Just stirring up the hornets nest tonight.
Recon,
Last month’s increase in unemployment was especially discouraging for the well-educated.
The jobless rate for Americans with at least a bachelor’s degree rose to 5.1%, the highest since 1970 when records were first kept, reports the Bureau of Labor Statistics. October’s 4.7% rate was up from 4.4% in September. Meanwhile, the national unemployment rate last month rose to 9.8% from 9.6%.
Joblessness among those with advanced educations probably drove the overall rate higher, as that group makes up 30% of the labor force, the single biggest sector, says Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Analytics. The government’s figures show there were 2.4 million unemployed people last month with bachelor’s degrees and higher.
The well-educated have been insulated from the worst effects of the recession, which battered manufacturing and construction workers. And unemployment is still far lower for the college-educated than for high school graduates (10%) and those without high school diplomas (15.7%).
Yet, the educated may now be bearing the brunt of a sluggish recovery. The jobless rate for high school graduates improved from 10.1% in October and is down from 10.9% in June. Maki partly credits a robust turnaround for restaurants, which added 34,000 jobs the past two months. And manufacturers added 134,000 from January to May.
At the same time, unemployment in the “management, business and financial” category leapt to 5.5% in November from 4.3% in September and is the highest on records back to 2000.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/employment/2010-12-06-collegegrads06_ST_N.htm
C Carroll
October 6th, 2011
7:44 pm
Bookman, you are full of s”manure”t as usual. The Democrats in the US congress and in the White House is the party responsible for the dumbing down of America in public schools, thus you have mobs like this without a clue. America needs to be awakened more. God is in charge. It may be payday.
C Carroll
October 6th, 2011
7:47 pm
PS:
If you don’t like my comment you state that I have already “SAID THAT”
YOU LIE.
Soothsayer
October 6th, 2011
7:50 pm
“The Democrats in the US congress and in the White House is the party responsible for the dumbing down of America in public schools, thus you have mobs like this without a clue. America needs to be awakened more. God is in charge. It may be payday.”
“We have a winner here!”
“Tell him what he’s won, Bob!”
“A beautifully gift-wrapped medal for the ‘most unintelligible post of the evening.’”
“Truly a gift he’ll remember for a lifetime.”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 6th, 2011
7:54 pm
Lesson of the Day: How not to be a Mob!
Wear costumes from the Revolution and tri-cornered hats with tea bags….
Midori
October 6th, 2011
7:58 pm
Sooth @ 7:50 —
USMC
October 6th, 2011
7:58 pm
Unbelievable! You guys better tell Comrade Obama to stuff a sock in it before he sets himself up for Impeachment… Obama is clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed; lacks common sense, etc.
Obama defends Atty. Gen. Eric Holder amid Fast and Furious probe
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-holder-atf-20111006,0,6704218.story
Soothsayer
October 6th, 2011
8:00 pm
Hey! Don’t run away all you chicken-shee-uht Righties! Ah’m ready to rumble! After all, Jay gits paid by the post, you know!
Mighty Righty
October 6th, 2011
8:02 pm
Anyone who has been out of work for five years had better retool. It is obvious that your skill is no lomger in deman
Soothsayer
October 6th, 2011
8:03 pm
Midori, my love, my faire lady! My Kingdom is yours for but a single kiss!
Strawman
October 6th, 2011
8:03 pm
“Obama defends Atty. Gen. Eric Holder amid Fast and Furious probe…”
What would you have him do? His defense is as predictable as a dog needing to poop on a walk. I don’t know any president, Democratic or Republican, who has not stonewalled in the face of accusations or wrongdoing in his administration. He can defend all he wants, but if there is truly something there, it will hurt him next year.
wet wiccan
October 6th, 2011
8:03 pm
Well, I guess I am late to the blog too. But I’ll add my two cents worth. I am encouraged to see a growing number of my countrymen standing up for themselves. This should have started in 2008, but better late than never. (Although I don’t know how long they can hold out in a NY city winter!) For too long the middle class and the working class have been under seige. I don’t think the protesters want to “do away with capitalism,” but surely we can find some balance between capitalism gone wild and the destruction of the middle class.
Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote in his letter from Birmingham jail …
Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks to so dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored..
Hopefully this will start a long-needed dialogue.
wet wiccan
October 6th, 2011
8:07 pm
P.S. – Thanks, Jay, for writing the column! (smile)
Strawman
October 6th, 2011
8:10 pm
“Anyone who has been out of work for five years had better retool.”
Uh…yeah! How do people, in a cliched way, now define insanity? A college degree and managerial experience will get you a lot of looks – even if you were formerly an executive. Good help is getting harder and harder to find so being “over qualified” matters a lot less.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 6th, 2011
8:11 pm
Oh no….Sooth is back to talk about erections again. I hope Midori has the power to knock it down without an airplane….
Chronos
October 6th, 2011
8:12 pm
Wet Wiccan, no one has developed an economic system better than capitalist democracies, which have raised more people out of poverty than any other system. On the other hand solcialism, communism and fascism (where the government controls the economy) have sommitted mass murder and often, like the Soviet Union, collapsed. The Chinese, on the other hand, are prospering now that they have a capitalist system.
Midori
October 6th, 2011
8:13 pm
Keep,
Sooth’s love has rendered me “impotent”
Chronos
October 6th, 2011
8:13 pm
Sorry for the typos
carlosgvv
October 6th, 2011
8:15 pm
1811/0311 – 2:57
I do study history and have learned, as you should have, that not all revolutions in our human history have been successful. Many, if not most, have been crushed by the Govt. Also, if you’ve been keeping up with wall street happenings, you should know that more and more of the best and brightest students are going to business schools instead of law schools and are winding up on Wall Street because that’s where the really big bucks are now. It’s no accident that these Wall Street types have been smart enough to get the best Congress money can buy. They have an iron grip on the American economy and the only way to change things is with a third party. I don’t know what this party will be like but it seems certain the Democrats and Republicans are too entrenched in their dogmas and too dependent on business money to ever change.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 6th, 2011
8:15 pm
Impotent? Why according to the wingnuts, you can be President too!
Soothsayer
October 6th, 2011
8:17 pm
Midori, you know I’ll always be here for you!
Midori
October 6th, 2011
8:22 pm
Hugs, Sooth
Keep –
I said “impotent” not “important”
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 6th, 2011
8:24 pm
I went through the much milder recession in the late 80’s having to let go of my corporate career in I.T. I rose to Regional Sales Management with a stint in National Sales Management during my corporate career but found myself in a difficult circumstance where I needed to go a different direction to survive. I chose to start my own business venture, which finally took off after two very difficult years. My concern is that the opportunity I had to retool and succeed is not as available today and government has stifled the environment for new business creation. We need to get back to those days of opportunities that allowed people like the late Steve Jobs to prosper.
BTW…AmVet thanks for the stats.
Mighty Righty
October 6th, 2011
8:25 pm
A MURDER was committed using a weapon that was illegally sold or given to the killer by employees of our government at the instruction of their superiors. The employees worked for a division of our Department of Justice which reports to the President through his Attorney General. That attorney general is actively obstructing the investigation into this violation of our law. Since the crime involves a foreign country, it is likely our State Department is also involved. If Obama is honest, he will order Justice, ATF, Homeland Security and State to immediately turn over all evidence to the investigators and to testify truthfully. Instead Obama is acting as though nothing happened. He is acting guilty and it appearing he is.
buck@gon
October 6th, 2011
8:26 pm
All, witness Granny Godzilla @ 411,
The purpose of the occupying adolescents is revealed!
Thanks Granny! You are the second, after Jay, that confirms my hypothesis: this is all a bunch of emotionally overwrought children who have nothing better to do than cry and complain and cause the irritation and fear in others. What they need really is a future they can believe in. Actually, they need adult supervision, mentors besides Michael Moore and Noam Chomsky (the absurdity of THOSE guys mentoring someone makes me laugh). They need someone to introduce them to the real world BEFORE they go and protest what they don’t know. It is obvious that they want things, material things, costing lots of money, and they want money that is in the possession of others–that much is clear.
Demands? Well, we have some from them–interestingly, they aren’t at all disimilar from left-wingers in this Congress–free college, free healthcare (which, you remember, was Obama’s goal all along, to make it ILLEGAL to buy something on one’s own), end of debt (which is pan-crazy, one might include kooky Ron Paul guys to that absurd lobby), all kinds of nice little things for young, dumb and overweight children of big-headed, reptilian grandparents.
Demands aren’t really part of the recipe, says Jay?
Well, what IS obvious is that unlike the tea party, whose goals are crystal clear–to lower spending and to shrink government–these demands aren’t clear MAYBE. I think they are, however.
What clearly unifies these people is their hatred of Wall Street, their scapegoating it for all of the nation’s problems, and their hatred of successful people. They also seem to be unified, while in the camera or on interview with a confounding self-sense of insecurity about what they HESITATE to say, leaving nothing but platitudes a thirteen-year-old could come up with.
One people unified in hate and insecurity.
Yeah. That’s our kids on Wall Street, and Obama’s with them.
Can’t wait for November 2012.
Obama’s seemingly setting kindling up so that he can set the country on fire.
We’ll see. I don’t think even his community organizer skills are up to the challenge. Meanwhile his popularity is so low the MSM doesn’t even report it anymore. (fortunately for HIM, the kooks are sucking up the news oxygen–at least they will for a while).
As for the Tea Partyers, we’re back at work and doing the best we can to get by. But we won’t forget this either. In fact, it is all so unseemly, it forbodes an even bigger landslide, I think.
Obama’d better hope his foolish young cannon fodder doesn’t get out of hand.
buck@gon
October 6th, 2011
8:28 pm
Joe Mama @ 411,
The tea party protesters initially gathered to protest the wall street bailouts, the EXACT same thing Jay Bookman is pretending the occupy nitwits are gathered for.
TaxPayer
October 6th, 2011
8:29 pm
These crowds doing the occupying of Wall Street and other streets are trying to show those tea party tools how it’s done. Y’all Armey of Dicks, pay attention.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 6th, 2011
8:31 pm
USMC and Scout,
Let me fire this one for effect. Obama is not the most effective piece of 782 gear that’s humped by 0311 infantry Marines.
pogo
October 6th, 2011
8:32 pm
Most businesses looking for new employees today can’t find young people who can pass a drug test or that can write a coherent sentence. And these young people are pissed that they can’t find jobs. They should be angry because they have been ill served by the laxity of the modern American educational system created dominated by the liberals. Never-neverland does not exist and not every student is a prodigy. I must agree with Obama on one statement he made ; America has become soft and unfortunately there are politicians out there (such as himself) that are more than willing to take advantage of the dumbing down of it’s citizens that progressive ideology has created.
And next there will be looting.
buck@gon
October 6th, 2011
8:33 pm
Kamchak,
Ass still chapped …..
You know, invoking Hitler’s name and/or mentioning body parts in a visceral way is code for admitting that you, Kamchak, have lost the argument, just as it was last night. Go pound your hammer into some sand.
Joe Mama @425,
“In one case BofA…..?”
Wow! What an argument! It would be a waste of time disputing it.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 6th, 2011
8:38 pm
Buck rulez: When Ann the Idiot Coulter called OccupyWallStreet protestors Nazis she lost the argument. Glad we got that confirmed.
buck@gon
October 6th, 2011
8:39 pm
AmVet,
WAKE THE F UP.
Your insistence on using ejaculations like this really makes the case that the occupy/leftist/Obama/Democrat bunch these days has NOTHING but anger and stories.
What you LACK are solutions, policies and ideas, but a healthy understanding of reality would be a good start, AmVet. Like Obama, you also lack a majority of respect in this country because of your petulance and your hateful rhetoric.
Mighty Righty
October 6th, 2011
8:39 pm
Sending out resumes is a waste of time. The best way to find a job today is to place your name with several personnel agencies. Company’s use agencies for most of their hiring. That way they get to evaluate your talent on the job without taking any EEOC and/or financial risk. At the same time you get to evaluate the company. You can continue looking for a better job but don’t put yourself in a position where you have to tell a potential employer you have not worked for several years.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 6th, 2011
8:41 pm
“Buck rulez: When Ann the Idiot Coulter called OccupyWallStreet protestors Nazis she lost the argument. Glad we got that confirmed.”
Keep, have to agree. They’re actually more like sheep.
Soothsayer
October 6th, 2011
8:42 pm
Most businesses are looking for employees today who are willing to work for $0.50/hr with no benefits. And these employees can only be found in China, Malaysia, Vietnam, India, and Mexico. American youth should be angry because their future has been sold out from under for a quick corporate buck. Never-neverland does not exist and every student has wasted their time and money getting a college degree. America’s youth has become disenchanted with the Corporatocracy and it’s quick-buck mentality at the expense of it’s own citizenry.
Edited your post Pogo. Hope you don’t mind.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 6th, 2011
8:49 pm
“Sending out resumes is a waste of time. The best way to find a job today is to place your name with several personnel agencies.”
M.R. have to disagree. The best way is to make a list of companies you like and could fit into. Research those company targets well and then call Senior Executives on the phone directly. Pitch yourself and ask for the order in this preliminary strategy the order is an interview. Take it from an old headhunter, it works.
godless heathen
October 6th, 2011
8:55 pm
As soon as it gets cold the Occupy Wall Street crowd will go home, having accomplished absolutely nothing.
Soothsayer
October 6th, 2011
8:56 pm
Well, it’s that time, friends. Off to relax a little instead of doing battle with the Righties. I want to leave you with a great quote I heard today. I’m not going to attribute it, because it can’t be attributed. Nor am I going to tell you where I heard it.
“I wouldn’t believe what you’re telling me even it were the truth.”
Goodnight.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 6th, 2011
9:01 pm
“I wouldn’t believe what you’re telling me even it were the truth.”
Stolen from Spiro Agnew.
getalife
October 6th, 2011
9:08 pm
“I wouldn’t believe what you’re telling me even it were the truth.”
That is how I feel about you cons.
No credibility.
None.
Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)
October 6th, 2011
9:10 pm
So says the Android.
Midori
October 6th, 2011
9:18 pm
Godless,
is that why the Tea Party protests solely in the summer?
moonbat betty
October 6th, 2011
9:18 pm
“I wouldn’t believe what you’re telling me even it were the truth.”
Is that like a child sticking their fingers in their ears and singing LA LA LA LA LA LA!?
Midori
October 6th, 2011
9:26 pm
pretty much like you do, Betty?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 6th, 2011
9:30 pm
Midori,
How would Fox keep the donuts from freezing for their special all day news coverage and support teams in those “grassroots” events…. they would have to use the AFN busses donated by the Koch Brothers?
TaxPayer
October 6th, 2011
9:30 pm
is that why the Tea Party protests solely in the summer?
I think they moved their protests to Cancun for the winter.
moonbat betty
October 6th, 2011
9:35 pm
midori – “pretty much like you do, Betty?”
example please?
anyway…
ESPN had a special on last night about Steve Bartman (the Cubs fan who caused the messed up the foul ball catch) and Bill Buckner (Red Sox first baseman whose error led to the loss in Game 6 of the World Series) and how the media frenzies the mob mentality and creates scape goats. Although each of them did make a mistake, they were certainly not responsible for their team’s ultimate downfalls.
However, through the media, these men were vilified, their lives threatened and in many ways ruined. Creating a scape goat and inciting a mob mentality can be a very dangerous thing.
I think we are seeing that presently.
TaxPayer
October 6th, 2011
9:42 pm
However, through the media, these men were vilified, their lives threatened and in many ways ruined. Creating a scape goat and inciting a mob mentality can be a very dangerous thing.
24 hour faux news shows fighting for ratings in order to protect their pay checks. Whatever it takes.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 6th, 2011
9:42 pm
Creating a scape goat and inciting a mob mentality can be a very dangerous thing
Are the Tea Partiers done creating the Obama/Pelosi/Reid scapegoats? Let us know so that we can warn the President that they will soon mob and be dangerous.
moonbat betty
October 6th, 2011
9:44 pm
The MEDIA.
Peter
October 6th, 2011
9:45 pm
Hey Mighty Righty … How is Clarance Thomas doing these days ?
Looks like the Supreme Court Bench might be changing.
Gosh the guy forgot how to fill out the appropriate paper work about his wife’s income ?
BUT……. he did it correct in the past…..
Just not starting while Bush and the Republican’s were in power…amazing.hmmmmm ?
Gosh if a Supreme Court Justice is allowed to break the rules…..well shouldn’t all in America be allowed too ?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 6th, 2011
9:46 pm
Gotcha moonbat
Is Fox
Are the Tea Partiersdone creating the Obama/Pelosi/Reid scapegoats? Let us know so that we can warn the President that they will soon mob and be dangerous.Trotsky Foxtrot
October 6th, 2011
9:46 pm
wet wiccan: “Well, I guess I am late to the blog too. But I’ll add my two cents worth. I am encouraged to see a growing number of my countrymen standing up for themselves. This should have started in 2008, but better late than never.”
Well, many thought they had done just that in 2008 (that is, with the election of Obama). I did not think that personally, but I know many did..
Anyway, we know how that turned out.
moonbat betty
October 6th, 2011
9:48 pm
Sure Keep, FoxNews is the only media outlet.
AmVet
October 6th, 2011
9:51 pm
Great.
Trite advice and platitudes about “retooling”.
No matter who it is or what their story is, the worst of you rightists will denigrate these protesters. And lie through your teeth as you make up ignorant wide sweeping accusations and pitifully lacking stereotypes.
If you were smart, you’d join in with them.
Own your supposedly conservative roots. Get tough on crime. REAL tough.
And as I noted earlier, Coulter is an anti-Semite’s wet dream…
Peter
October 6th, 2011
9:52 pm
Hey All read about Clearance Thomas….. The Republican’s will be in real trouble if he gets canned !
Joe the Plutocrat
October 6th, 2011
9:53 pm
oldguy, all due respect, you didn’t fight ‘communists’ in vietnam. you fought nationalists/vietnamese patriots who defended their homeland against a foreign invader, as they did in WWII (imperial japan) and the chinese for generations. and if you check your history, you will see that the Peoples’ Republic of Vietnam is now a eco-tourism destination, and in 2009, Pepsico (US corporation) announced plans to invest $500 million (US dollars) in the vietnamese market. oh, and chances are the cheap t-shirt you bought your grandson/daughter was made in vietnam. guess who brokered these deals? some dipsh*t MBA working on wall street.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 6th, 2011
9:53 pm
Well moonbat… I have heard that they are the only media outlet that is not part of the liberul MSM and that the only media outlet that is “fair and balanced” in that they present everything with a “conned slant” (okay that last part was not really part of the advertising, it was part of the admissions of some of their people).
Midori
October 6th, 2011
9:54 pm
Sure Keep, FoxNews is the only media outlet.
according to you and your ilk, it is.
Joe the Plutocrat
October 6th, 2011
9:56 pm
anyone catch Ann Coulter’s take on this? amazing. she compares it to the run-up to the French Revolution’, the rise of the Nazi’s in Germany and the Boleshevik revolution in Russia, but makes no mention of the Boston Tea Party/American revolution or the “Bonus Riots” in DC after WWI. she needs to iron my shirts, cook me dinner and STFU!
moonbat betty
October 6th, 2011
10:00 pm
Keep, I don’t watch FoxNews, but if they are the only non-liberal outlet, then why do you give a rat’s about them?
Mick
October 6th, 2011
10:00 pm
What I find fascinating about steve jobs that I didn’t know; He is of syrian descent, was adopted, experimented with hallucinogens, was a buddhist, wasn’t consumed by wealth.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 6th, 2011
10:08 pm
Moonbat, you seem to be chasing your tail and looking for a rabbit hole.. You’re the one with the dire warnings of media frenzied mobs going after scapegoats. So are you saying that Fox is exempted from this creating scapegoats and frenzied mob things that is so dangerous? Or is in only “liberul” media that creates the danger?
Peter
October 6th, 2011
10:08 pm
Clearance Thomas Ethics investigation
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/democrats-mobilize-over-clarence-thomas-ethics-investigation-213436978.html
moonbat betty
October 6th, 2011
10:12 pm
Keep-
“So are you saying that Fox is exempted from this creating scapegoats and frenzied mob things that is so dangerous? Or is in only “liberul” media that creates the danger?”
I didn’t say either…You did.
Ask Steve Bartman or Bill Buckner.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 6th, 2011
10:15 pm
yep, chasing tail, then duck and cover…
givememyfairshare
October 6th, 2011
10:16 pm
the whole “jobs” bill could’ve been paid for with the money obama gave to his friends at Solyndra. When’s the occupy Solyndra rally?
buck@gon
October 6th, 2011
10:18 pm
“I wouldn’t believe what you’re telling me even it were the truth.”
Sooth,
That’s a very fine epitaph for your day, your week and probably your life. I can atest that you do follow your promise, as does getalife and Kamchak, your comrade deniers without chins.
Have fun dreaming you’re the hero in your own fantasy about uncovering the truth by snatching the gold, the girl and the fame from some evil corporation/Republican/racist that covered up the Muslim attacks on 9/11.
buck@gon
October 6th, 2011
10:23 pm
givememyfairshare,
The occupy Solyndra rally is in the same place as the protest in front of the White House for the end to the war in Afghanistan and the protest for economic conditions on the Capitol steps–it’s in a forth dimensional space called “the future,” located on the day of the inaugural 2013, after Republicans sweep The White House and the Senate from Democrat control.
Wall Street will seem a WHOLE LOT less interesting to these child/neurotics then.
Paulo977
October 6th, 2011
10:26 pm
“Creating a scape goat and inciting a mob mentality can be a very dangerous thing.” Depends on where yer standing and what it accomplishes for yer!!!
buck@gon
October 6th, 2011
10:26 pm
Joe @ 956,
It does seem that Obama is gathering tinder ripe for burning. He’s been demagoging the whole nation, and almost to the day he starts his jobs pap, this whole wall street drone-show starts.
I just hope those dumb kids brains eventually overcome their petulent stubborn streaks.
md
October 6th, 2011
10:27 pm
Is interesting, that the people have the power (of the purse), have abused that power, and now point the finger elsewhere……….
And that goes for you too Am……..last I checked, an Infinity is not an American vehicle……
Want to change the way things are done, organize what you buy………………
buck@gon
October 6th, 2011
10:28 pm
Paulo @ 1026,
So the ends justify the means depending on who’s doing it. Not the first I’ve heard of that rationale.
Joseph Stalin did like his purges, and he WAS in office for a very long time.
Certainly made sense to HIM.
buck@gon
October 6th, 2011
10:30 pm
md,
It’s late for a heady discussion, but I’m curious for real: who are those with the purse, and how have those with the purse abused their power?
md
October 6th, 2011
10:32 pm
“wasn’t consumed by wealth.”
After passing that first billion, I’d hazard many others wouldn’t either………….
moonbat betty
October 6th, 2011
10:33 pm
Paulo977- “Scape goating” is not a good thing anytime.
Scapegoat:
a : one that bears the blame for others
b : one that is the object of irrational hostility
Keep Up the Good Fight!
October 6th, 2011
10:35 pm
Oh no…. what a frenzied mob after all these scapegoats.
On the 17th we as individuals rose up against political disenfranchisement and social and economic injustice. We spoke out, resisted, and successfully occupied Wall Street. Today, we proudly remain in Liberty Square constituting ourselves as autonomous political beings engaged in non-violent civil disobedience and building solidarity based on mutual respect, acceptance, and love. It is from these reclaimed grounds that we say to all Americans and to the world, Enough! How many crises does it take? We are the 99% and we have moved to reclaim our mortgaged future.
Through a direct democratic process, we have come together as individuals and crafted these principles of solidarity, which are points of unity that include but are not limited to:
■Engaging in direct and transparent participatory democracy;
■Exercising personal and collective responsibility;
■Recognizing individuals’ inherent privilege and the influence it has on all interactions;
■Empowering one another against all forms of oppression;
■Redefining how labor is valued;
■The sanctity of individual privacy;
■The belief that education is human right; and
■Endeavoring to practice and support wide application of open source.
The Principles of Solidarity from the working draft of the NYCGA of OccupyWallStreet.
Hmmm…. this sounds so very dangerous… perhaps its because they did not claim that the founding fathers intended this. This is so much less dangerous I am certain:
[Our] members share core principles supporting the United States Constitution as the Founders intended, such as:
• Limited federal government
• Individual freedoms
• Personal responsibility
• Free markets
• Returning political power to the states and the people
getalife
October 6th, 2011
10:36 pm
“In a shocking development Thursday evening, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) triggered a rarely used procedural option informally called the “nuclear option” to change the Senate rules.
Reid and 50 members of his caucus voted to change Senate rules unilaterally to prevent Republicans from forcing votes on uncomfortable amendments after the chamber has voted to move to final passage of a bill.
Reid’s coup passed by a vote of 51-48, leaving Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) fuming”
Awesome.
md
October 6th, 2011
10:36 pm
“It’s late for a heady discussion, but I’m curious for real: who are those with the purse, and how have those with the purse abused their power?”
Started many years ago….a toyota here a honda there etc etc…….next thing you know, the frenzy is on…….look around, WE bought all the cheap crap put in front of us………and now we want to bitch about the consequences…………….
md
October 6th, 2011
10:41 pm
“In a shocking development Thursday evening, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) triggered a rarely used procedural option informally called the “nuclear option” to change the Senate rules.”
Oh goody…….certain deadlock now……..anyone think the House would ever go along now?
Our misfits just get dumber and dumber…………
AmVet
October 6th, 2011
10:46 pm
md,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRma7PDW10
getalife
October 6th, 2011
10:55 pm
England prints more money still trying to stop the w depression.
Thomas investigated, Reid ends the filibuster abuse and Pelosi said God bless the protesters.
A great day in politics as the cons heads explodes.
Trotsky Foxtrot
October 6th, 2011
11:00 pm
getalife: “A great day in politics as the cons heads explodes.”
Not bad. All things considered. Not bad at all.
Trotsky Foxtrot
October 6th, 2011
11:07 pm
And continuing in the spirit of general mirth, there’s this:
Sarah Palin sits out 2012. There is a God.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/sarah-palin-sits-out-2012-there-is-a-god/2011/10/06/gIQAcnTHRL_story.html
Trotsky Foxtrot
October 6th, 2011
11:20 pm
Messiah Obama: “I didn’t think the communist believed in God? Sounds like you are an exception and you are welcome for me removing Palin from the race.”
I don’t believe in him (even in Kenyan socialist drag). And I sure don’t want to carry on conversations with him. So buzz off.
bman
October 6th, 2011
11:41 pm
the big banks did get bailed out. So did the “little” people who work for the banks, and the little guys who work with the big banks. I find it hard to believe that the UAW would participate in anything. They were bailed out, too. The UAW would be wise to know who buys their autos, where they are from etc….
AmVet
October 6th, 2011
11:50 pm
“Somebody jacked my name………again”
Yo, moron, I only use three dots in an ellipsis…
Yep, I’m gonna enjoy how this topic is already really unpleasant on the reality averse, wrong-sided right wing.
oldguy went blogging violent. I suspect others are gonna get equally unhinged soon.
It’s only going to get worse for them.
getalife
October 7th, 2011
12:03 am
Stop wanking pf.
Kamchak
October 7th, 2011
12:03 am
…as does getalife and Kamchak, your comrade deniers without chins.
I wish you would get over your obsession with me, bucky-poo.
I merely asked you to show your work.
Just like any engineer could.
You were the one that played the “I am the engineer card.”
If you can’t back up your claims with math, then all you have is unsubstantiated opinion.
buck@gon
October 7th, 2011
1:22 am
Kamchucky,.
OK, tell you what. I’ll make a deal with you.
Get the equations proving your global warming fantasy, and I’ll do my due diligence, making all kinds of assumptions about the fire, the surplus air, the size of the beams, the surplus fuel, the burn-rate, surface area of the office environment, the weight of the structure, and I’ll give you a genuine class “B” prediction of how the thing went down and how fast. This never WAS engineering stuff, by the way, at least regarding what I do, not in designing bridges. It’s just physics, but my engineering education provides a good basis for thermodynamics, materials and prediction. And this might surprise you a little, idiot, but no one on the planet, and I mean NO ONE has ever studied, done a class A prediction on what might happen should a 110-story building get hit with an airliner and had that prediction validated by experiment. Those al Qaeda guys might be smarter than you, Kamchucky, and they guessed by figuring fuel load and burn-rate themselves that it might work.
Your idiot architects will tell you though that they have done a class C prediction that explains it all.
What I proved beyond any reasonable doubt was that the video’s assumptions were wrong. Your lonely little video that you offered as the tiniest of pieces of evidence, blown away by two facts–well, really just one: burning fuel CAN melt steel.
Here, Kamcookie: go ahead and re-pretend this doesn’t exist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_flame_temperature
What’s that? It DOESN’T say 2000 degrees? Aw, come one Kammy!
I know you don’t have the slightest CLUE what I’m talking about, but neither does anyone in the world have a scenario for global warming that is at all credible–that is, to borrow a phrase, “backed up their claims with math.” All the class B and C predictions they make, when converted to class A (a true before-the-fact prediction) show that their initial assumptions are WAY off. Remember Gore and his predictions from the 1980s?
I bet you don’t. You’ve Bookmanized the truth, haven’t you? What was it you said back yesterday, that “all the fuel would have burned-up in the collision”? Did I get the quote just right? Well, that statement of faith needs to be verified mathematically if you are insisting it’s true, doesn’t it?
Tell you what. Why don’t YOU give ME your mathematical proof of that assumption. I know you’re not an engineer, scientist or anything but an idiot, but YOU made the case, so YOU supply the proof, even if it’s anything other than some architect saying it happened. We smart folks will weigh the evidence honestly and provide you with a verdict just like the “smart folks” did for your climate change scenario. Don’t like being a slave to scientific pretensions? How about questioning the ones YOU have faith in Kimmy-pie.
Why do MY assumptions have to be the only ones rigorously defended with equations? Come on, give ME the goods this time.
OK, here goes:
http://models-methods-software.com/2009/11/23/al-gore-predicts-1500-meter-sea-level-rise/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-fr5O1HsTVgA/global_warming_doomsday_called_off_1_5/
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=al+gore+doomsday&view=detail&mid=923B228301240AA61960923B228301240AA61960&first=0&FORM=LKVR33
So, we have a deal. You give me your math explaining global warming–and let me tell you, this will really be HEADLINE NEWS–and I’ll give you my work on the matter, happily.
I think everyone knows you won’t and can’t. You’re a chicken, a coward, ignorant and lazy. But you make up for it by being persistent in your ignorance–always Bookmanizing the truth.
OK Kimmie?
I look forward, as always to your incompetence followed by churlish howls in protest.