Is GOP field about to get a major new entrant?

Who cares?

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“The governor has famously said “my wife would kill me” as a reason not to run.”

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btw … if we DON’T mention Christies weight, is that like ignoring the elephant in the room???

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morning Normal!!

and here’s one for YOU

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gRcBXGOeG_0/TmqLaDipztI/AAAAAAAAQZc/SKGkdE0-1Qc/s400/rick-perry-church-sign.jpeg

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Will he have to bow before the Grand High Poobah of all conservatism?

On yesterday’s radio show Limbaugh weighed in on whether Christie was conservative enough. Not too surprisingly Limbaugh said he was not

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Good morning USinUk!

Have a great vay-kay?

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USinUK@ 0658.

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Normal – had a very good vay-cay, thankyewverymuch! came back to nuttiness (in a good way) at work, so I feel like I’ve never left

Brocephus – it’s funny cuz it’s TRUE

GG – Limbaugh “weighed in” an unintentional funneh!!

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How will he respond to the crazies (his words) in his own party, ( “It’s just crazy, and I’m tired of dealing with the crazies.”)? Will the evangeicals be happy with him appointing a Muslim to the court? Remember hat many of the religous CONservatives believe now is the end times and Christie’s not going to go along with some of their silly ideas. Will Christie have to go along with the kooks on the far right? Will he be able to get enough indie’s to support him in a general election? And what does this say about the current crop of canidates? If they are so bad that big donars are begging the Gov to get into the race, what will they do if/when Christie flames out? Is Christie really the savior of the party?
Odd, I keep hearing the CONservatives tell us how this is the election they are happy about. That their is no way they can lose to Obama (you know, that guy from Kenya), that 2010 was just the begining of the end for the socialists in the WH. If it is going to be a cake walk, why are they so worried?
Nice column Jay, as always.

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Yes We Cain! Yes We Cain! Yes We Cain!

Although, Christie Cain has a nice ring to it. Like a hot porn star’s name

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Guy,
A while back, we were painting our den with a color called “Venus Teal”.

I thought that was a good porn star name, too…

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My favorite thing about Christie winning the GOP nomination…

Two good choices. Good for the US.

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Normal

“Venus Teal”.

I think I caught her act at the Pony.

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“However, no one dropped dead suddenly and without warning of cancer … the problems caused by obesity? that’s another matter entirely”

Oh…silly me…I thought smoking also caused heart disease.

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“I think I caught her act at the Pony.”

given the name, I’d say the Clairmont is more likely

(not that I’ve ever been)

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Strawman

Love it when you like up to your name! I really do!

President Obama quit smoking. Can Governor Christie quit being morbidly obese?

Notice any huffing or puffing?

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GG – “Can Governor Christie quit being morbidly obese?”

well, technically, yes … but it will take a lot of time

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USinUk

a of of time…like 2016?

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What is amazing about Obama, of course, is that he is the one politician from Chicago who is not a pathological liar and immoral scoundrel.

Speaking of strawman arguments….

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and, with that …

LUNCH!!

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I predict he gets in and the love affair lasts about 3 weeks.

It’s one thing to be the new governor of a small state, quite another to have the glare of the national spotlight on your every utterance.

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Great, yet another Gooper guv who likens firing striking workers to fighting Stalinism.

it is instructive to harken back to Ronald Reagan and the PATCO affair. President Reagan’s willingness to articulate a determined stand and then carry it out at home sent the signal that the occupant of the Oval Office was someone who could be predicted to stand by his friends and stand up to his adversaries.

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Welcome to the “big top” governor — see Jay I said you wanted the man to run so you can slyly make fun of his weight. The mainstream media is already saying things like “will he be a heavy favorite” or “can the Republicans make room for him”. But he opens himself up for these jokes by being so obese.

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a of of time…like 2016?

Gov. Christie vs. Senator Warren.

Hmm, who’s more likeable? the fat blustery Jersey a-hole or the nice lady who patiently explains the obvious?

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Asked by reporters if she could say the president finally has quit smoking, Michelle Obama said, “Yes, he has,” and that “it’s been almost a year.”

For the first time in my life, I’m finally proud of the Obama family.

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Chris christie, the repub new flavor of the month. Not everyone can relate to this bully, so the great, big, huge, white hope just might deflate after a few turns under the kleig lights. The bigger they are, the harder they fall…

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“You calling Michelle Obama a liar?”

No, no, oh no. She has never lied – the only human being in modern history of which that might be said. And I have already indicated how remarkable I thought it was that her husband is the one politician from Chicago who is not a pathological liar. He may not keep his campaign promises and he may grossly distort or minimize things in his (are they daily now) speeches, but that does NOT make him a liar.

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““I think she probably meant ‘I’m more proud.’ ”

Wow. Well that certainly makes everything OK.

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Mick – I agree, he wouldn’t last long. He may be able to deliver the KO to Rick Perry, but that would be about it. Only one candidate has resurged after having been a previous “flavor of the month”, and that’s Herman Cain. The reason – he is the only candidate who seems to have sat down and come up with concise plans for the issues (9-9-9, the Chilean model for SS). Mitt Romney has his plan, what some 59 points? It may be good, but good grief who wants to hear that on the campaign trail? It does not resonate, the complexities can come later. For now, get out and market the basics, and that is where Herman is succeeding, if for no other reason than because the others aren’t trying.

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Hmmmm, interesting. Why is Obummer bowing to Christie in the picture? Is Christie muslim?

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Why is Obummer bowing to Christie in the picture?

To demonstrate how, unlike Chrissie, he can actually bend at the waist?

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Chris Christy is a bonafide-dyed in the wool contender. Let us not delay, put him im in as a candidate. He is along the lines of FDR, honest, forthright, plain spoken and born for the job as Chief Exectutive of the United States, How long has it been since there was a plain spoken person in the office. The last one was Harry Truman and before it was Abraham Lincoln. Now is the time. Although Governor Chrisite is a bit ponderous and lacks the AGILITY for some of those arduous climbs up to the Cabin of Airforce !, where there is a will there is a way.
The time is right to end the malignancy of the fiscal crisis. Win with Chris.

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Strawman

This falls into the category of ” Michelle is a beautiful woman. I lived in Atlanta for 24 years. I saw a lot of beautiful Black women. Ms. Obama wasn’t one of them.

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“…(9-9-9, the Chilean model for SS).”

The Chilean model has a government mandate. As Obama is finding out that will not fly in the US. But I agree, it is a plan.

Christie has one thing going for him. A politically successful and economically successful overhaul of a state’s budget. He and Cuomo kinda stand alone among all governors.

And Christie can work a crowd. He is as good as I have ever seen.

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Probably not.

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“Yes, Governor Christie can drop the pounds….but I guess we’ll have to wait and see.”

Fair enough. If he gets into the race and doesn’t announce a plan to do so, then he hasn’t my vote. Unless there is some kind of genetic problem there (which seems unlikely), obesity is a sign of a lack of self control.

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Strikes me a lot like the situation with Perry. People recognize the name, know at most he’s a brusqe talker and say “ooh, shiny new toy! I think I’ll support him !

Now, as a VP…..

Off topic, sorry it’s so early in the thread and if it’s been mentioned – but I celebrated this morning. Anwar al-Awlaki dead in a US airstrike in Yemen.

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jconservative

I agree that christie can work a crowd but there many times where he comes off as a mean bully. Another weakness is that he also has had quite a few episodes of ” do as I say, not as I do”. Bottom line, there is no magic candidate for the republicans, people who can remember four short years ago will never trust them again, especially with the iced tea party yanking their chains…

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One thing is for certain: If Cristi runs, it will definately lift the politically correct bans on fat jokes.

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“Anwar al-Awlaki dead in a US airstrike in Yemen.”

You know, Paul, it makes me wonder if the guys are becoming dispirited over time. They are human, and after awhile, following loss after loss, they have got to be feeling that perhaps “Allah” isn’t really with them after all.

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Another al quida bites the dust, thanks president obama for keeping us safe…

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“Rush is right (as usual)”

You know, JR, I may agree with much of what Rush says (were I to listen to his program), but he lost me a long time ago when I heard him over the air joking about two young men who had been decapitated when they stuck their heads up from the sun roof. For that, he awarded them the “Darwin Award.” I thought to myself, “what a cold-hearted person” (imagining how funny the kids parents might think his remarks were). He has no heart.

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Paul,
Good morning! Saw the item about Anwar al-Awlaki on MSNBC…all I could think about was how much he looked like one of my son-in-laws…hhmmmmm….

As for Christie, I agree. VP would be a better fit. But if he does win the GOP primary and given his health problems, we had better take a hard look at his choice for VP, too. Chances are…

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Good Little Liberal

Not yet….So far I’m delighted with the field.

As I have said since the get go, the GOP bench is light.

No pun intended.

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Normal

You may wanna call your son-in-law and see if he answers.

Just sayin’……

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“In Illinois, crooked politicians are put in jail.”

You mean those that are caught, right? Hey, speaking of Chicago, can you think of a single city in America that has had more corruption over the years? And back up any claims.

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Christie’s Balanced Budget: Same Script, Different Year
By Mark J. Magyar, January 4 in Budget

Last June, Governor Chris Christie got the budget he wanted. Declaring that the state cannot spend money it doesn’t have, Christie pushed through a $28.374 billion budget — the smallest in seven years. Christie also vetoed a Democratic bill to temporarily restore raised income tax rates for those making over $500,000. Instead, he cut state aid to school districts and municipalities, slashed property tax rebates and forced transit fare hikes and tuition increases.

For months, Christie and state Treasurer Andrew Sidamon-Eristoff have made it clear that they intend to follow the same script with the upcoming FY12 budget. Dismissing better-than-expected income tax collections through November as an aberration, they have repeatedly warned school and municipal officials not to expect any more money this year.

Another typical Republican — let’s keep the tax cuts for millionaires, and take away from education and the working class people.

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The Republicans are looking for the perfect candidate. Much like people looking for the perfect wife or husband. There is no such thing. Plus much of what the Republican extreme want is unobtainable. There is really no way to maintain the current tax rates and maintain medicare. The most important thing from my perspective if you are looking for Republicans to win the election is a candidate who appeals to the middle and the right. However, if the economy doesn’t improve it may not matter.

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Bosch

No surprises there. Shoulda heard those guys I had dinner with at the Muslim-LDS outreach dinner.

Hey! Remember that (one of many) screeds Scout posted from that minister about how those efforts are all Satanic or something and how Christians can’t speak/preach in a mosque and I told him that wasn’t what I saw at that dinner? (The imam invited the LDS leader to speak in the mosque). Well…. there was another Muslim dinner outreach planned here. Believe it involved a lot of Baptists. Local Tea Party leader and conservative Republican woman blogged and was in the paper about how it was all fake and… sounded like that minister. Anyhow

2,500 people showed up at that little outreach.

There is hope.

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Granny

The bench is always light until it gets down to the hard core around April or May.

One thing is for sure, thumbing through all the major networks that most consider left leaning and seeing how they are going after Cain, tooth and nail shows quite a bit of fear. Cain is the nightmare for Democrats. He may not bring out that large of a Black vote, but all the nonsense about Republicans being racists is out the window and without that, the Dems lose a very large hammer.

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Mick

So… another thing that (just like the previous thread, which looked like a lot of fun) sounded good when Republicans advocated the idea but became anathema when Democrats repeated it?

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OMG this dude just proposed to this girl on the Today Show! He did good too, didn’t bobble one word- things did not go as well for me. It was kind of sad actually! But things have worked out ok…

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Please yes. We need some competition from the Republicans. Otherwise the chosen one will walk away with the victory in Nov.

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“As for Obama’s smoking, amazing how the right demands “video evidence” of some matters but can just accept any rumor without evidence for others.”

Umm…video evidence of what? I believe the president has himself admitted he smoked (though he had indeed hidden or obscured the fact from the public). That’s good enough for me!

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Granny

LOL! And y’know, you’ve a very good point!

I will say I think many people will say “Christie!” after seeing just one thing: he reminds them of Simon Cowell of American Idol/X Factor. Out trots this cute little thing and sings like a cat with gas and he says ‘that was terrible! Of course your mother says you sound good, she’s your mother! Do the rest of us a favor and never sing again!”

People like a little straight talk in the midst of the mumbly-mouths.

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Christie’s weakness is jobs. In an election which will be about jobs be a governor from a state with a higher unemployment than the national average would be an exploitable agreement. The national average is 9.1 and NJ average is 9.4. Also, while the national average has been trending downward NJ’s has been trending upward. He has the same problem as Perry in that he can’t take advantage of Obama’s main weakness.

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Morning, GLL

Do you think it’s possible the individual mandate was one of those minor things that got tossed about in policy circles (Gingrich is known for tossing about a lot of ideas in many forums) that just wasn’t on your radar screen because it wasn’t a big issue when it was initially discussed?

Bosch

Ever seen any of those youtube videos where the guy proposes on tv or on the jumbotron at the football stadium and the woman says “You?!!? Are you frakkin’ nuts?”

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Dear Jay, hope to see an essay on “the strike against al Qaeda” today. Would love to hear the leftist view of planned execution of an American-born terrorist. Somehow think the view would have been different if Bush had done it.

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Paul

I have to say I’ve learn a lot from the little boy I just read, I’m going yo show that section to a Muslim friend of mine to get his reaction because the author is a self proclaimed Christian (Episcopalian) but a relion scholar- just want an honest opinion . But just what I read, in many ways Islam has more going on for it than Christianity. You know how Scout always writes to ignore it is at our peril, well I think to not acknowledge it’s popularity is also ignoring the obvious, but not as a peril… it can be as a means to understand your own religion. Good grief I could go on forever about this.

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@Ryder — is it just possible that the state of NJ was spending too much on schools? I am sick of this nonesense that we can never cut the amount we are spending on public education as if there is NEVER any waste, fraud and abuse in that area. Public school systems like any organization that relies on public funding needs to operate on a strict budget and not just spend money on a bunch of goodies because their is a belieft that taxpayers have an unending supply of money. It is a fact that the state of NJ was losing their wealthier residents in part because of their high tax rates. And in that eastern seaboard where all those states are so close together; it is real easy for a wealthy person to flee to CT and still commute back and forth to NJ.

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ragnar

“Would love to hear the leftist view of planned execution of an American-born terrorist. Somehow think the view would have been different if Bush had done it.”

Nope.

Jay already took a full-throttle support of Pres Obama’s kill order. I, along with a few others, expressed some serious concerns. He didn’t back down one whit.

Here’s another interesting thing for Republicans to consider regarding our MuslimSocialistWeakApologizing president: count the number of AQ prisoners. Count the number put there by Obama.

Bush captured al Qaeda.

Obama kills them.,

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Paul

You know as well as I do that the Republicans have fought Universal Health care our entire lives. And Democrats have supported it. It has been a major plank in every presidential platform. Have there been a few Republicans that have made moves toward it? I can’t say that they didn’t, but this idea that Republicans as a group have wanted it all along is nothiong but Bookman nonsense.

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So Christie is now the flavor of the day. What’s going to happen with conservatives find out he appointed a Muslim judge, called conservatives ignorant and said he’s tired of dealing with the crazies who believe Muslims are trying to promote Sharia Law in our courts? They’ll discover they still don’t have a candidate they can back…NEXT.

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Ayn Rant, can there be fewer jobs than we currently have? How good has that O’bama character been for this nation? Has he accomplished all, or any, of the goals he said that he would accomplish? Maybe he will be the first to build that transcontinental railroad. I think he was thinking of the Polar Express when he said that.

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GLL

“Universal Health” covers a lot of bases. Bosch pointed out that single payer is not the same as socialized medicine. You can even have the individual mandate without single payer or socialized medicine.

One of the great weaknesses of the Right in this discussion, it seems to me, it that they take almost any issue dealing with health care reform and label it ’socialized medicine.’

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

Expect to be confronted for your lies from now on, at least when I have the time.

Please produce where I ever said that “this blog is my forray into politics”. Put up or admit that you are lying again.

This blog is my foray (note the correct spelling of the word and try to learn) into blogging. I have donated money, worked for gubernatorial races, and been very active my entire life. You are going to stop this incessant lying.

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GLL

” I can’t say that they didn’t, but this idea that Republicans as a group have wanted it all along is nothiong but Bookman nonsense.”

I don’t believe Jay said that. I think he said the idea of requiring people to be responsible for their own care and not expect others to pay for it (the individual mandate, words that were repeated almost verbatim by Pres Obama) originated with Republicans.

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“One of the great weaknesses of the Right in this discussion, it seems to me, it that they take almost any issue dealing with health care reform and label it ’socialized medicine.’

brother-man, you just said a mouthful

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“Who cares?” – Comments like this always make me laugh.

Obviously you care enough to read Jay’s article and then comment on it, Normal.

Christie isn’t ready. He’s said that himself.

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easy enough, GLL, guess when you want to call someone a liar, you better be sure that they dont have the evidence. And if you want to confront someone about a spelling error, make sure it is not yours.

Good Little Liberal
September 20th, 2011
8:00 am
….I do my little films. I play my music. I make this pathetic amount of money. I try to be smart with what I buy and I pay my taxes. This blog is my forray [sic] into politics.
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Do you also want me to put up your claims of being involved in a lot of political claims.? Or was that fiction too?

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Paul, I agree with USinUK…. you said a mouthful

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“You are going to stop this incessant lying.”

You are?

Good for you lil lib.

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“You libs seem to be enamored with Muslims”

oy.

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Definitely hurts Romney if Christie gets in. Christie would be another good candidate. But he may end up like Perry via a different route. We’ll see.

Crowded field, fun times. Christie, Romney, Perry (fading), and Cain (rising but possibly peaking). Weeee

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Paul

I understand what you are saying, that everyone should have their own insurance. I misunderstood. I can see that, but no one wanted the government to force people to do it. And that’s not what Obama wants. He openly admitted that his plan put 30 million more people on the government dole. THat’s not taking care of yuourself. That’s a larger welfare state.

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Rush has dogs, so he can’t be all bad”

When did Getty Lee get a dog? Or was it Alex Lifeson ?

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Mick,

You have such a short memory. Remember Nov, 2011? It’s not so long ago. Bozo called it a “shellacing”. Take back the Congress and win the Senate after their track record? I almost snorted coffee through my nose. How can you be so funny this early in the morning?

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

I see that you are still here. You made a charge that I was lying. I’ve asked you to provide proof and you apprently are now admitting that it was you that was lying. This is going to happen every time that you bring the BS that you have been spouting.

So put up or admit that you were again lying to try to get my attention. You have been trying to get my attention? Well, you’ve got it.

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How can one remember Nov.2011 when it hasn’t happened yet?

Kayaker , did you steal a DeLoren ?

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Kayaker – Christie is one of the few GOP “Grown-ups” and yes he would be a formidable opponenet to Pres. Obama.

Thankfully, your crazed GOP brethren won’t elect him so it’ll be loads of fun watching you and yours cannabalize him and any other GOP politician that offers plausible, reasonable, workable solutions.

Enjoy! I know I will!!

Bachmann 2012!!! (yep, that’s my vote in March)

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Someone is terribly confrontational this morning and apparently only his computer can’t see my 9:01 post, lol.

Any bets on whether I am going to get an apology?

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yaker

I think the dems might be a bit more motivated this time out, especially in a presidential year. The people are not particularly fond of the iced tea party and repubs in general. They aren’t too fond of the dems and obama either. the lesser of two evils once again and turnout, turnout, turnout – dems take the cake in a squeaker…

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Good to see the liberal echo chamber is focused on the guy’s weight rather than the relevancy of his (possible) candidacy.

News, one way or the other, I think, comes out on Monday.

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HEY GOOD LITTLE LIBERAL

Good Little Liberal

September 20th, 2011
8:00 am
Granny Godzilla

When you wrote those letters under Bush, how did that work out?

I do my little films. I play my music. I make this pathetic amount of money. I try to be smart with what I buy and I pay my taxes. This blog is my forray into politics.

Nobody cares about me or you. We don’t own banks or oil wells.

but just try to understand poor people don’t finance political campaigns. Very, very, very rich people do. THAT’S who get the consideration.

If it makes you feel better, make those calls. If you call a lot, you will become the joke of the phone answerers, but sadly, that’s about all you can hope for.

your foray into poltics

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Rush has dogs, so he can’t be all bad”

so did Hitler

just sayin.’

What’s the expression?

Thass funny!

GLL

Putting 30 million on gov’t dole: doesn’t that strike you as just honest accounting? Now, they are receiving some level of care paid for, in many cases, by someone else. Bringing them in under, say, Medicare means the medical community gets only about a fourth of a fifth of the dollars for treatment they would get if they billed direct and someone else picked up the tab. One would think conservatives would support it for that alone!

Jay and also done some columns detailing how, to keep people from having some expensive event, getting insurance, getting treated, dropping insurance and repeating that, how it is necessary, just as with auto or home insurance, to have people keep insurance in force to lower overall costs.

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USinUK

” btw … if we DON’T mention Christies weight, is that like ignoring the elephant in the room???”

USinUK, Have we now lowered ourselves that we have to pick on someone because of their weight?
Why not looks? or color? or being bald?

I would like to think people are more intelligent than that, guess I was wrong.

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Peter King….. who dat? Your neighbor?

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When 30% of Democrats want another candidate and Bozo’s own hometown newspaper asks him to step down and not run, that doesn’t sound like solidarity. Coupled with the fact that over 60% of Democrats poled by Rasmussen stated that they felt that the country is headed in the wrong direction. Also a recent pol which stated that voter enthusiasm on the Republican side was strongly rising while that same enthusiasm on the Democratic side was waning. Throw in Axelrod’s comment about this election being a “Titanic struggle”……. I am not sure that confidence is the one thing Bozo has going for him.

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Terry Francona will now be able to run for the GOP nomination as well.

He was never a fit for Ted Kennedy’s favorite team, anyway.

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USinUK – not I

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Listening to the rhetoric from both sides sometimes makes me wonder about the wisdom of a democracy.

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Granny

I’ll explain it to you because at times, you tend to show a spark of sanity. I moved from the city to the mountains. Up here, I do exactly as I say. I do my little films. I play my music. I make this pathetic amount of money. I try to be smart with what I buy and I pay my taxes. This blog is my foray into politics.

The comment that I made that the weasel with his nose up my butt is trying to make a big deal of is this: I’ve been an involved Republican since I was 16 and Republicans have never wanted universal health care.

If you think that he has proven anything that I said as a contradiction considering I moved in April, 41 years since I was 16, then you can join his hand and join him with your nose also up my butt.

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USinUK – who runs our country may not matter much to you, sitting on the other side of the pond.

But in the US this is serious business. Go read The Times.

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Armed Liberal

See my post at 9:18

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“he scares you, doesn’t he libs? “; Scared, be afraid are republican words, just look at Fox or listen to the right-wing radio. I never seen more scared people in my life.

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philosopher – I don’t entirely disagree. But to spend 3 pages so far discussing his weight is a waste.

Maybe because no one thus far knows much about him other than he’s the gov of NJ.

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Dear USinUK @ 9:19, good morning, “Anwar al-Aulaqi, U.S.-born cleric linked to al-Qaeda, reported killed in Yemen”

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looks more like an entrant and 1/2.

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Peadawg,
I always read Jay’s articles….but then I said what I felt. I don not care. The GOP keeps putting nothing in President Obama’s way to re-election, nothing at all. The GOP candidates are too flawed, as is the Party.

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jm – “stating the obvious /= a retort.”

looks like you need reminding.

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Let’s hope so…he’s the second coming of Reagan and Obama is the second coming of Jimmy Carter. We desperately need history to repeat itself by making Carter/Obama a one lousy termer. If Christie runs and selects Rubio from FL as his VP, it is a LOCK for the GOP taking the white house, along with the senate and keeping the house in their column. Keep hope alive!

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Seems you are simply picking on overweight people, and any others who are raising issue about Christies’s health but remained silent about the health risk caused by smoking during the last presidential election. Either you are picking on those people who are overweight or you are trying to smoehow use Gov. Christies weight as some type of political leverage. But the facts show smoking is waaaay more dangerous to ones health and you never once on this blog ever made a suggestion that we keep in mind Pres. Obama smoking habit as part of the dicussion, because it is a serious health concern. Now did you?????

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/health_effects/tobacco_related_mortality/

http://docnews.diabetesjournals.org/content/2/6/1.2.full

kinda sad, you would stopp this low just for ideology.

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Considering the record levels of poverty in our Great Country, I submit, albeit a bit early, the following by Fishbone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC0buvIyOkE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

Where did I move the goal posts. Point it out. the orginal statement which you first commented on was this: I’ve been an involved Republican since I was 16 and Republicans have never wanted universal health care.

the post that you comment on was my claiming to have been an involved Republican since I was 16. Please explain your point in detail.

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philosopher 9:18

Body type is a choice?

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it would be really refreshing to see a large group of health care workers, thinkers, engineers, analysts, researchers and the like getting together to hash out a truly reasonable, fair and practical solution to this problem.

Through that GOP permafog, it’s hard to see things, but that has already happened.

http://www.pnhp.org/

The latest sign is a poll published recently in the Annals of Internal Medicine showing that 59% of U.S. doctors support a “single payer” plan that essentially eliminates the central role of private insurers.

http://prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_doctors_revolt

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@tireofit: That was just plain silly- no evidence of fear noted…folks are just pointing out why he is not a viable candidate.

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lil lib,

You got called out on your lie so man up and admit you lied.

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joe, are you seriously positing that George Walker Bush was not MUCH worse that James Earl Carter?

In every measurable way?

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“Let’s hope so…he’s the second coming of Reagan”
You are kidding, right? Reagan started this whole mess.

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M

I’d say since you obviously know me, that you should have the spine to come on as who you are instead of a made up name.

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poison – 9:25 – who told you!!!

seriously, I understand what you’re saying and agree that looks are a LCD attack (lowest common denominator) … but, sometimes just gotta be human.

what galls me is that a lot of the same GASPS and pearl clutching come from the people who seem to have no problem talking about Pelosi and plastic surgery.

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the merry-go-round goes round and round…..

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Poll: Investor Confidence in Obama Plummets
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-30/obama-s-standing-with-global-investors-reverses-to-57-unfavorable-in-poll.html

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Global investors’ confidence in President Barack Obama has plummeted over the past four months, with almost three-quarters of them now viewing his policies as a drag on the U.S. business climate.

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Fat man in a lil coat.

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“The visit is sponsored by the North Fulton Friends Tea Party”
You know, the group that boos are soldiers. What losers!

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Granny

Nasty vindictive person.

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I have never, not even once, posted under a different name.

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Keep Up

Where are you? I thought you wanted my attention?

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USinUK, That may be true for some, but not me. I just expect more from you as I know that your not dumb.

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M

That’s funny. Never seen M before, but you seem to know a whole lot for a newby.

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I don’t post that often.

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Granny — why does Charlie Sheen come to mind over and over and over? I am with M, the only one who does not know the score is the sheener

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“It is a health crisis affecting all body systems”

starting with the hands … that wrap themselves around big macs and large fries …

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jm, 9:32,

Good article. Additionally, Rasmussen today…… Generic Republican 46%….. Bozo 43%
Only 9% give Congress positive marks.
Only 17% say that this country is headed in the right direction.
Pelosi and Reid are the least favored Congressional leaders.
62% believe that if taxes are raised, the money will be spent on new government programs.
64% oppose tax hikes.
40% believe that their home will decline in value over the next year.

These don’t sound like happy campers. Is liberal denial the flavor of the day?

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kayaker
liberal denial is the flavor of the decade.

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keep

this is what GLL reminds me of

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Rubio will be shredded if anyone bothered to check his record…

If he’s the Veep candidate, he’ll draw in vast numbers of independent Hispanics the way that Sarah Palin drew in vast numbers of independent women… oh, wait.

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Generation$crewed

September 30th, 2011
9:35 am

larry

” The issue is not was his smoking brought up. In my opinion both are non factors in ones ability to lead. Unless an known health problem exist, that is thought to have a great chance of shortening or limiting the ability of that person to do the job.

However my “complaint” is that those raising questions about Christies weight and implying it would somehow effect his ability to perform the job were silent about Obama’s smoking habit, and smoking is much more of a killer than weight control. At least statistically in the US.

Just seems kinda sad and childish to take shots at someones weight especially when they have shown themselves to not really be concerned with ones health and how it controls their ability to perform this particular job.”

Generation, True, but you have to consider the mentality of the bloggers on here.

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Christie scoop

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64788.html

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GLL – grow a pair, man up and admit you are busted.

Since you seem impaired in some way, I’ll lay it out for you:

You stated that commenting on this blog was your first foray into politics.

THEN you claimed that you’ve been involved since you were 16.

See, you lied. Admit it.

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if he does run, the debate stage is going to look weird with him on left side and the other 8 on the right.

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Keep Up

So once you think that I leave, your courage returns. What a shocker.

I’ll ask again. No bullying. (With you, a 6 year old girl would intimidate you) Please explain how I moved the goal posts. You made the claim. Back it up.

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interesting social security discussion, perry, romney, and DANIELS

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64779.html

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sam,

Maybe Christie shouldn’t move to Guam. Might give that idiot from McKinney’s district some credibility.

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Granny, what woman? How funny…. Right up there with this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fw8_xvLj-4

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ragnar – short answer to a big grey area:

1) Jose Padilla – my problem was that, if the gov’t had the evidence they SAID they had (re: dirty bomb), they should have gone ahead with the trial. I mean, it’s not like they weren’t holding the guy

2) regarding today’s killing, honestly, I don’t know how I feel about it. IF he did what they said, then he died as he lived and good riddance. A trial would have been nice.

3) my problems with the TDavis killing is that: 1) I’m against the death penalty. period. it doesn’t deter. 2) the fact that people in the jury / prosecution / defense – are fallible and make mistakes. and 3) the supposed eye witnesses recanted their testimony.

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tru dat kayaker

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“I believe Obama is mistaking Christie for a foreign leader”

I believe satellites are mistaking Christie for a foreign continent

(sorry, Poison, I couldn’t help it … the snark was just THERE …)

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It’s not that hard to dodge your very slow moving BBs, Pea.

Especially given that I’ve written over and over and over again – on this very forum – what a dismal disappointment BHO has been. I’m just not sure as to how your otherwise eagle eyes seems to have “missed” every one of those.

But your non-hypocritical redemption of course, lies in the fact that you wrote much the same regarding your beloved George of the Bungle.

Next.

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“First, congratulations to the Obama administration for getting another terrorist,”

Tell the other cons that it did not hurt to praise our President.

Just another huge accomplishment to add to his long list of accomplishments.

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All this concern about weight and smoking is funny as hell. Many of you here act like you have no vices at all and are in 100% perfectly good health. I’m just enjoying reading this.

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cons are horrible sore losers .

Oh, come on. Just because they’re still crying about 1960 and concocting stories about how Chicago is somehow more corrupt than, say, any Southern good-old-boy network you might-could name by throwing a dart at a map, doesn’t make them horrible sore losers. It makes them *world-class* sore losers.

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Has anyone talked about his policies or anything? Or has it all been fat jokes?

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mir

September 30th, 2011
9:52 am

I give credit to our Prsident Job well done! Anyone who does not give credit for this is only doing so for political value in my opinion!

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If it’s wrong to discriminate against gay, lesbian and transgender individuals. Wouldn’t it be wrong to discriminate against obese and morbidly obese people? Is their obesity a choice, a disease or a genetic predisposition?

If we’re going to be inclusive and non-discriminatory; shouldn’t we be, well, inclusive and non-discriminatory?

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Peadawg

September 30th, 2011
9:56 am

Just fat jokes,

no yellow teeth or black lung jokes yet though

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Yawn. Who’s next?

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Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 30th, 2011
9:58 am

Not this time!

Pay attention this time it can be used to discredit or divert attention from the issues of one with whom they disagree with.

Geez!

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Dear USinUK @ 9:52, thanks, I respect you for recognizing the inconsistencies and acknowledging your ambivalence. Many of our leftist friends will ignore the lack of trial and appeals for Anwar al-Aulaqi.

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“How can you type that you are not in favor of the dealth penalty but only 3 typed lines above that you claim good riddance as punishment for what his crimes were?”

does one have a problem with the word “IF”? again, I would have preferred that he be arrested in Yemen and brought here by the gov’t, tried and convicted.

of course, if he did, there would be HOWLS from the right similar to those when we arrested the pirates and decided to bring them to trial

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“Many of you here act like you have no vices at all and are in 100% perfectly good health.”
Once again, this is not about us-you are using a fallacious argument. This degree of obesity is what is being discussed- it’s not looks and it’s not a “somewhere in the future this will cause me problems” issue. This is immediate. The problems associated with it are already “cooking”…diabetes, heart disease, great vessel disease, stroke, DVT, etc, etc, etc….this guy already in trouble.

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The “thin” one who is occupying government housing at present has made lots of decisions that will affect you and most of them are not so good for you or your children

Actually , he has. Thanks to him, insurance companies can not deny or drop coverage to children who has pre-existing conditions. Which helps greatly in my home.

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retired early @ 9:52 am

“Personally, I think someone who is dangerously obese, lack the discipline required to be an effective leader. Moderately overweight is OK…but this man is a walking blimp.”

However, a married man who can’t keep his “cigar” in his pants has the discipline to be an effective leader. I get it now.

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ragnar – hey, I’m human. I acknowledge that there is a part of me that calls for blood. I try to rise above it and often wish I was a better person / more ghandi-like.

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by the way, mr christie has got skeletons in the closet….also, he has twinkies in the pocket…nailed it, yes!!

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USinUK

September 30th, 2011
10:02 am

Either way,

you claimed that if he did what they said then good riddance.

How can you be against the death penalty and say if he did it then good riddance? Thats with a trial. It seems as if by saying good riddance you would be for him dying?

If you are against the death penalty how can you not be against death by predator drone attack?

I’m for predator drone attacks!

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lil lib,

Lying is not cool.

But it is all you got.

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GLL — “Cain is the nightmare for Democrats. He may not bring out that large of a Black vote, but all the nonsense about Republicans being racists is out the window and without that, the Dems lose a very large hammer.”

I don’t find him nightmarish at all. In fact, to Mr. Cain, I say bring it on.

Would you like to take me up on the wager I’ve offered several conservative posters here, GLL? I’ll help him get nominated — I’ll donate to Cain and vote for him in the primary. But if he *doesn’t* get the nomination, then you agree to vote for Obama in the general election.

If Cain gets the nomination — and I’ll even help towards that — then you’re out nothing. I even helped you get him onto the ticket. Win for you.

If he *doesn’t* get the nomination, then you vote for President Obama in the general election. Win for me.

How about it. Want in?

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Righty and rags,

Are you war weary cut and runners growing soft on our Holy Crusades?

Too funny.

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Dear USinUK @ 10:02, you cite an event outside my acquaintance: “HOWLS from the right similar to those when we arrested the pirates and decided to bring them to trial.” All I remember from “the right wing” is cheering for the Easter morning sharpshooter?

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i am however a fan of mr christie. he’s a fiscal conservative that doesnt worry too much about the social agenda of fr right. he’s a straight shooter and a realist.

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fat is the new “black”…you guys are all fatists…oh, and thank god we didn’t waterboard al-awlaki…all together now “Not in our name”!

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Isn’t this just great. What a government.

This week Oregon officials bragged that the USDA has given the state $5 million in “performance bonuses” for ensuring that people eligible for food benefits receive them and for its “swift processing of applications.” The money comes on the heels of a separate $1.5 million award from the feds for making “accurate payments of food stamp benefits to clients.” So welfare recipients are clients? .

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I hate to encourage bad behavior (running for the R nomination), but I kinda like Chris Christie. He’s by far the most appealing Republican I’ve seen this year. Also, he’s kinda HOT, and I just don’t get the alleged appeal Rick Perry holds for the ladies. It’s true, CC totally needs to lose 100 pounds right this minute, and he would still be on the biggish side after that, but his brains and confidence are sexy.

Chris Rock breaks it down (language alert): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F43JU0N5DM
“I am sex-y. I am the sexiest emmer effer here. Yeah, I got a gut! There’s some good *bleep* under this gut!”

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larry

September 30th, 2011
10:10 am

I don’t know if Killing folks without trials or killing people at all is going to get to many votes from the presidents hard core elements of his base.

But he may choose to run his campaign as a war and execute presidnet but I doubt it.

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Doesn’t Cain’s hyper-Islamophobia and telling blacks that they are brainwashed, play right into the GOP’s well-deserved bigoted reputation???

Newsflash.

Not all bigots and racists are white.

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ty – 10:10 – I believe that would be “fattists” (or sizeists) – “fatists” would be the folks who believe that our future is predetermined.

I’m here to help.

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Anyone catch Fox this morning? Brian Kilmeade seemed a little put out by the CIA operative they were interviewing when he actually spoke the truth about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I guess someone forgot to give the interviewee the rules of interviewing beforehand.

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More Democrat corruption:

http://www.chron.com/news/article/AP-Investigation-Plant-deal-may-enrich-donors-2196106.php

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Joe Mama

September 30th, 2011
10:13 am

Should a man who can’t control what he smokes into his lunges be entrusted with control of the country?

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@amvets

CAIN has to be more bigoted than the whites because he knows hes nothing but a STEPPIN FETCHIT for the repubs

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@ty webb: NO- we’re not buying that crap! Black and fat are not even comparable- Black is a color- fat is a condition and a sign of poor self-choices and lack of discipline… his is so bad it makes him a liability as a presidential candidate- address THOSE issues, or none- NOT TALKING ABOUT LOOKS!!

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Christe could not run himself out of a paper bag. Lets tell the truth and shame the devil…. he has a health issue (obesity). Can we put our trust and faith in a man who is not healthy or has health issues.

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ty – 10:17 –

generation – “How else would he be gone? ” – people can die from a RANGE of causes (see: Darwin Awards). Case in point: Jeffrey Dahmer being killed in prison. again. good riddance. does that mean that I’m advocating the gov’t killing him? no. just glad he’s gone.

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kayaker 71

September 30th, 2011
9:06 am
Mick,

You have such a short memory. Remember Nov, 2011? It’s not so long ago. Bozo called it a “shellacing”.

Ah, I remember Nov 2011 like it was yesterday. Those sure were the good ‘ol days.

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Philosopher,
what are these “choices” you speak of?…careful, that word doesn’t play well among Jay’s peanut gallery.

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larry

September 30th, 2011
10:18 am

Agree it needs to be mentioned. Don’t know about 50%. Mentioning too much about ” terrorist” also opens the door for criticism about a campaign promise that through no fault of his own ahs not been held up and thats closing GITMO. He made the order but it still remains open and don’t know if he wants to open himself to that issue too much. again turning off the base, and he will need a large turnout again as he recived in 08. He is in trouble if he does not get that kind of turnout again.

Its not about democrats or thse who lean left voting republican. Obama’s big worry is they will not vote at all.

again just my opinion.

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USinUK

September 30th, 2011
10:20 am

So you just want someone to kill him!

Quite vindictive of you.

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Really? Then why did Obama propose an IMAC?

And how, pray tell, is that even remotely connected to your point – “it would be really refreshing to see a large group of health care workers, thinkers, engineers, analysts, researchers and the like getting together to hash out a truly reasonable, fair and practical solution to this problem”?

(Hint. It is not.)

Silly dodgeballers.

Increases the possibility that Cain will ultimately occupy the Oval Office.

Up to what?

1%?

UGA has a better chance of winning the NCAA football championship this year.

Hysterical.

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@ty webb: obesity is caused by choosing to consume more calories than you expend…by choosing to eat foods that are unhealthy, without regard to the consequences, over and over and over again…and choosing not to take the actions required to rectify the situation when it begins to take its toll.

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Philosopher,
agreed.

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Losing weight didn’t help Mike Huckaby get the nomination and get to DC. Just another excuse to judge ….

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G$ — “How can you type that you are not in favor of the dealth penalty but only 3 typed lines above that you claim good riddance as punishment for what his crimes were? Just seems to contradict one another? Also what if does not deter, then why were you for (good riddance)the death penalty being used in this case?”

I also oppose the death penalty, so I’d like to sound off on this.

I don’t think this was a question of a criminal charge (or charges), a prosecution culminating in a courtroom proceeding, then to be followed by imposition of a legal penalty. IMO, this was a matter of national defense, not a death penalty criminal case.

I don’t like the death penalty, but I was also completely comfortable with knowing that OBL had been killed. Why? Because he planned and directed 9/11. I also wouldn’t have been upset — had I been alive then — if we had snuck a SEAL/commando special ops team into Japan to off their military and political leaders during WWII. They planned and executed Pearl Harbor, and deaths happen in warfare.

If we had *caught* the guy, then I could see myself calling for prosecution and incarceration. But unless he wanted to turn himself in or we got very lucky, I didn’t see that happening. That leaves a drone attack, a SEAL/spec ops grab operation or a lucky hit in a bombing raid as the only way we were going to get him — and death’s pretty likely in most of those circumstances.

If terrorists don’t want to turn themselves in and take their chances with our legal system, then I also say good riddance if they get themselves blown up. OTOH, if they *do* turn themselves in, I’m opposed to the death penalty. I realize that may sound foolish to you, but it’s honestly where I stand.

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It’s rare when you can look at a blog argument and say, “WOW, this one won, that one lost.” but today we’ve witnessed a major spanking.

Good Little Liberal…..you got spanked, owned, used, rode hard and put up wet.

Normally such gloating is not my thing but I come here day after day and by and large enjoy reading the comments. But there are a few nasty individuals out there who seem to have a common theme….bash, bash, name call, bash, flame, lie, name call then cry like victims when they get called out.

GLL is one of the worst of these characters. So today to watch him/her get PROVEN a liar, to be systematically taken apart was especially enjoyable. Made my day, maybe even my weekend.

No wonder you “ran off to work”. I’d hide too if I’d gotten owned that bad.

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@amvets

if HERSCHEL played today he wouldnt be as great. back then he as bigger than linebackers. in todays game the players are bigger and quicker

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Joe Mama writes, “A man who can’t control his own weight will have a tough time making the case that he should be entrusted with control of the country.”

A man who couldn’t control his sexual appetite had no problem making the case that he should be entrusted with control of the country.

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whether or not Christie decides to run, one thing is clear…Obama is one and done!

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@Practical Matti : eating habits yopu describe are unhealthy …and again, chosen. A physical exam and a discussion with your doctor will provide the cause of those symptoms and instructions on how to make the food choices that will not leave you feeling that way. We are not helpless or slaves to our cravings.

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Rick Perry is “kaput” as most Independent Conservatives will NOT vote for him because of his record and position on illegal immigrants. Most are now considering him George W Bush, Jr. He will soon be out of the race for good. Also, Mr. Christie may as well not even enter. Based on previous statements he is “soft” on illegal immigration too. He said not long ago that “he did not consider illegal immigrants criminals”. That tells me a lot right there. Herman Cain is what this country needs right now. As an Independent Conservative in the “reddest city in the reddest state” (Aiken, SC) I would vote for him in a GA second!

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@amvets

yes HERSCHEL was a once in a generation talent.

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H. Yum Yum — “A man who couldn’t control his sexual appetite had no problem making the case that he should be entrusted with control of the country.”

And so did a smoker. Shrug.

Your reply in no way diminishes the accuracy and pertinence of my statement; a man who cannot control his weight will have a hard time convicing the electorate to give him control over the country.

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@thogwompy

sorry but the racist repubs wont have CAIN on the ticket

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@iTiSi

CAIN wont be nominated because no real conservative will vote for a black man.

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liberalefty,

OMG..you mean Cain is black?! Dang, and I was going to vote for him!

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bank of america – you’re fired!!

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Keep & Granny, let a CPA recommend some title insurance.
I hear your balance sheets increased. Ownership will do that.

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Hootinanny Yum Yum
September 30th, 2011
9:58 am
If it’s wrong to discriminate against gay, lesbian and transgender individuals. Wouldn’t it be wrong to discriminate against obese and morbidly obese people? Is their obesity a choice, a disease or a genetic predisposition?

Will jogging or exercise make a gay person straight? Perhaps only at the Bachmann Family Treatment Center…..

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@Practical Matti : As a healthcare professional and someone who has “fallen captive” to food addiction, I have first hand knowledge AND experience. It takes self-discipline and a sense of responsibility to one’s self and one’s loved ones ( so that they don’t ALSO pay for my lack of self-control, poor choices, and poor decisions) to stop repeating self-destructive actions…and I expect a candidate for president to be able to do no less.

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Christie can’t handle the heavy lifting. (John Ford died at age 80).

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“And how, pray tell, is that even remotely connected to your point ”

It was related to YOUR point, numbnuts. Don’t bogart that joint, my friend.

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An honest Chris Christie couldn’t win the nomination. I wonder if some of the moderates don’t jump ship and land in the Democratic Party like the the radical right Democrats did with the Republican Party.

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OK, have a look at how Democrats handle Obama’s home state. They raised personal and business income taxes by up to 50% across the board – keep in mind what Obama is trying to do now…and their debt actually INCREASED. Plus, CME, Caterpillar, Boeing, United and a host of other companies are preparing to leave the city with 1000s of jobs. You all really don’t get it – the next time you hear Durbin and Obama talking about millionaires and billionaires not paying their fare share – please realize that it doesn’t matter – they will just spend that money, hell, it is already spent on this new “jobs” program:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-bc-il–illinoisbudget,0,3218700.story

This is their state, the numbers do not lie, Bush had nothing to do with it…truth hurts.

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The real Fletch, the economy is improving in Chicago, no improvement in Atlanta. If you are looking for results Chicago is the place. They have 30,000 new jobs in Chicago, Atlanta lost 12,000. So what is your point?

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GT, Cannot be sure but I believe his point is that increased taxes on business in Chicago have caused job losses. You’ll have to look very, very carefully for this point. No mention made of Atlanta.

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Upon review, we are getting to be like one of those stuck records in my younger days when people had record players. We are so use to all the country being depressed that we in Georgia have not looked up to notice the rest of the country is leaving the poverty train and we are the only people on it. When you do nothing but complain, repeat the same old tired line and no other action that is what happens to you.

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Has anyone else noticed that some terrorist leaders have been smoking more lately?

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The guy looks like a heart attack waiting to happen!

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Obama has tp go. Impeach the commie Obama.

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Hey Jay! Publish Herman Cain’s resume and then Obama’s. Compare which one really has accomplished something and has the academic credentials to be in a position of leadership.

For Obama: affirmative action has met the Peter Principle and it is reinforced each day that he is ill equipped to be President, community organizer OK but certainly not President.

Herman: his resume speaks for itself. Unless you are blinded by ideology which of course the majority of this blog are.

Christie would be excellent but of course Anyone But Obama will do!!!!

And for the Morgan Freeman’s of the world…..it is not because Obama is Black. He is incompetent and his policies clearly illustrate this. In Freeman’s world, a black man can’t possibly be incompetent. Each one is excellent and has risen to the esteemed heights because he is excellent. And if you don’t believe this, then you are a racist!!!! Ha! Ha! Ha!

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eddy

Stupid eddy call it what it is, the same thing the Rep were for now they are against because Obama is for it.
The idiots and bigots may want to deny what it really is, but get your little mind off misinformed fox news and watch some of the news media around the world, who think most of white Americans are a bunch of Anti Americans who hate their leader because he is black.
Hey tea party Terroist, you are joke to the world remember their are more people of color around the world then white so when you make insults at the President, you are offending a lot of people around the world, but you are to stupid to realize you are putting all Americans in harm way.

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Fat boy is not going to run because he has mob ties, all the kick backs will come out, whats funny he is not conservative at all, but rep party is so desperate to run against Obama they would vote for satan.
Obama will win in 2012, because no body wants to go back to the Bush years, oh I forgot low middle class whites rather have big business rake middle class Americans under the coal, instead of standing up to these business for sending our jobs overseas they rather attack Obama, what a bunch of losers.

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Very interesting seeing all the liberals post opinions on the GOP candidates, like they’re desperately searching for someone to vote FOR over here in our tent. News flash: The GOP candidate in 2012 is not going to be even close to as liberal as Bush was.

Might try rallying YOUR troops around YOUR candidate – Dems are scurrying like rats on deck running for cover from Obama (How’s that Obama “jobs” bill doing in the Dem-controlled Senate?). Political campaigns tend to produce grandiose empty promises. When “hope and change” is perceived as unfulfilled, well, it will come right back to bite you with the independents.

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