Romney: ‘Individual mandate seen as conservative idea’

Mitt Romney on the individual mandate, a core concept in both RomneyCare and ObamaCare:

“The idea for the health care plan was not mine alone. The Heritage Foundation, a great conservative think tank, helped on that. I’m told that Newt Gingrich was one of the very first people to come up with idea of the individual mandate — did that years and years ago.  It was conceived — it was seen as a conservative idea to say, you know what, people have a responsibility to care for themselves if they can.”

All of which is true, of course. Every last word of it.

It was a conservative idea, right up until the time that Barack Obama decided to incorporate it into his own health-care plan, at which point it became the greatest horror ever imposed upon a free people by a Marxist Kenyan usurper. And the shamelessness of that ideological flip still astounds.

– Jay Bookman

299 comments Add your comment

rightwingextreme

September 29th, 2011
9:17 pm

at the state level it is one thing to have legislation requiring the purchase of insurance. this is not a power delegated to the federal government under the Constitution. i think therein lies a huge difference. if the U.S. Congress can mandate you buy this product…it can mandate you must, or must not buy another product.

think about it.

buck@gon

September 29th, 2011
9:18 pm

kayaker71,

My father had heart surgery (not entirely open) at Emory Hospital on Clifton and then stayed in the Woodruff suites. He is a cantankerous patient (imagine that), so he was never happy with his experience, but the service seemed to be excellent, and I think later he admitted that it was.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:19 pm

“irresistible lurch into insolvency”

That is what you cons want .

You can admit it because we already know.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
9:20 pm

“If the U.S. Congress can mandate you buy this product…it can mandate you must, or must not buy another product.”

Just a thought…do you think the ACLU would back you on that? I mean, aren’t they roadblock for legal slippery slopes?

moonbat betty

September 29th, 2011
9:22 pm

“And just to make it extremely clear, my claiming it is the Gold Standard is meaningless.”

And that is the point…

You’re the man, Amvet.

oldguy

September 29th, 2011
9:22 pm

Perhaps you prefer the British socialized medical system (like so of Obama’s advisors do).
Then read this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1253438/Mid-Staffordshire-NHS-hospital-routinely-neglected-patients.html#ixzz0gW0vXvwf

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
9:23 pm

“That is what you cons want.”

You acumen is exceeded only by the originality of your moniker, getalife. Of course that is what we want! Then we could actually USE our guns once anarchy ensued. You have us pegged, dude. Please…say no more.

buck@gon

September 29th, 2011
9:23 pm

getalife,

NO! Sorry, but “Hanson’s not credible” just won’t do.

You want me to comment on this piece? OK, I’ll do it with just as much insight as you did.

The NY Times just isn’t credible.

How’ya like that?

getacomment

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
9:25 pm

Thanks Taxpayer…. funny how the rapid “free market” supporters don’t understand some of its components.

You see, medical providers can go out of business for making bad decisions, and then the machines will be sold for pennies on the dollar to those who make good decisions

Not always…. if they are leased, they may return to the lessor who may lease them, they may not be maintained, or the good decision makers may determine that they don’t need extra equipment or a few other possibilities. See we live in this world where there are a lot of other complicating factors.

Not so for government. Spending goes up each year on a baseline budget, and no force in the universe can stop this irresistable lurch into insolvency

Wild statements without fact, evidence or truth are just wild statements

kayaker 71

September 29th, 2011
9:26 pm

If the SCOTUS can mandate that imminent domain can rule or that corporations be considered as individual citizens in campaign contributions, they can do anything they want. This ruling, however, will be different. They are far and away the most powerful of our three branches. But they have an obligation to recognize the enormity of this health care bill and it’s long term ramifications. This will not escape them…. any of them. I feel that this ruling will go beyond partisan divide and we will get a fair ruling on this, win or lose. Have to trust the system sometime.

Midori

September 29th, 2011
9:26 pm

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:26 pm

I know straw.

It would end what you cons call “entitlements”

buck,

The NYT is credible.

The nro is not.

buck@gon

September 29th, 2011
9:26 pm

Jay,

I guess you ARE pretending that chart didn’t exist.

Wow, when I’m right about you I sure am dead on!

getacomment

September 29th, 2011
9:26 pm

Hey! don’t use my name like that! BTW, can you think of something intelligent for me to say?

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
9:28 pm

Well, as I have said before. Among 45 industrialized nations only one does not have bona fide national health care. Guess who that is?

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
9:29 pm

Mr_B

September 29th, 2011
8:39 pm

“Google the number of MRI machines in Canada and you will see that there are few MRI machines per 100,000 people compared to the U.S. Health care is more expensive here but its not rationed as it is in Canada.”

“Most likely because in the US, you can get away with charging north of a grand for a proceedure that actually costs less than $100 to perform” – Mr._B

Mr_B,

You think an MRI procedure’s real cost is only $100? Um. No. An MRI machine costs between 1 and 3 million dollars each with the average one costing around 2 million. And that doesn’t include the cost of regular maintenance, the cost of housing the unit,insurance, nor the cost of the technicians who run the unit and procedures. At your of the top of your head price of $100 per MRI do you have any idea how many procedures done at $100 you would have to do over a machines 20 year life cycle to just break even on the cost of the device without even including all the other various ancillary costs?

Now I’ve seen several times on google that the nation of Canada has about as many MRI machines as the city of Pittsburgh or Philly. If that is true then that is yet another reason why the cost of medical care is more expensive here. Because we do not ration care as they do in Canada, Britain, etc. MRI machines are a perfect example.

buck@gon

September 29th, 2011
9:29 pm

getalife,

The definition of credibility from you.

Wow.

“Underwhelming” and “unimpressive” doesn’t begin to describe your mental effort.

But “seven years of college down the drain” is a little closer.

getacomment

September 29th, 2011
9:31 pm

Add your comment here.

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
9:31 pm

Midori,

Isn’t this a family site? I mean I am just shocked. You know, the nudity and all. ;-)

buck@gon

September 29th, 2011
9:31 pm

can you think of something intelligent for me to say?

No, and neither can you, but I think Obama should tap you for Vice President.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:32 pm

buck,

I liked you better when you are gon.

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
9:33 pm

theyeshavit,

And out of the 45 industrialized nations which country do world leaders come to the most for specialized health care? And which country leads the world in medical device innovation, drug innovation, medical research, and new medical procedure innovation? And which country has Canadian cancer patients visiting its border cities seeking treatment that otherwise would take too long in their own country?

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:34 pm

That is hilarious Midori :)

I think his wife prods him too much.

She said he would be prepared next time but the man can’t debate.

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
9:34 pm

Thulsa,

I know someone who had an MRI in Japan. The cost? Thirty five bucks.

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
9:35 pm

Thulsa,

Our medical expertise is top notch, our health care is not. Catch my drift?

getacomment

September 29th, 2011
9:36 pm

“No, and neither can you, but I think Obama should tap you for Vice President.”

Really? That would be GREAT!!!! But…what would that say about Biden? Should I practice making gaffes? It would be easy, because I’ve read a lot of posts on this blog. Good fodder here.

Mick

September 29th, 2011
9:38 pm

My advice to all of you – stay healthy. Medication is off the charts, half the time you are probably better off without it. Nice column today, where less was more…

Midori

September 29th, 2011
9:38 pm

Eyes –

when I was diagnosed with gallstones, my doctor had me get first an MRI and then a cat scan.

My portion of the MRI was $300, and I do have health insurance.

And that photo is funny as h#ll, isn’t it? :lol:

Hi Getalife :)

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
9:38 pm

Hmmm. I thought a gaffer worked in the movie biz. ;-)

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
9:40 pm

Medication is off the charts, half the time you are probably better off without it.

Mick,

Tell that to Dr.Conrad Murray.

oldguy

September 29th, 2011
9:41 pm

Buck@gon,
you are waisting your keystrokes with Getalife……He would have been first in line at the Rev James Jones coolade drinking party!

bman

September 29th, 2011
9:42 pm

why is the cost of health care so much? Top 5 reasons?

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
9:42 pm

oldguy,

British national health care at its best. Oh, and one other thing. The British NHS I believe is the world’s 3rd or 4th largest employer. And to think the Dems don’t think there will be a boated bureaucracy. I took the liberty of just picking up the headlines from your link.

Up to 1,200 patients died unnecessarily because of appalling care
Labour’s obsession with targets and box ticking blamed for scandal
Patients were ‘routinely neglected’ at hospital
Report calls for FOURTH investigation into scandal
Not a single official has been disciplined over the worst-ever NHS hospital scandal, it emerged last night.
Up to 1,200 people lost their lives needlessly because Mid-Staffordshire NHS Trust put government targets and cost-cutting ahead of patient care.
But none of the doctors, nurses and managers who failed them has suffered any formal sanction.

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
9:43 pm

oldguy,

And some of us think that blogging is a waste of time, but we still do it.

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
9:44 pm

bman,

I’m all ears, but the letters H M O keep coming up.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
9:45 pm

“You think an MRI procedure’s real cost is only $100? Um. No. An MRI machine costs between 1 and 3 million dollars each with the average one costing around 2 million. And that doesn’t include the cost of regular maintenance, the cost of housing the unit,insurance, nor the cost of the technicians who run the unit and procedures. At your of the top of your head price of $100 per MRI do you have any idea how many procedures done at $100 you would have to do over a machines 20 year life cycle to just break even on the cost of the device without even including all the other various ancillary costs?”

Let’s not delve much into details, Thulsa – it ruins the vision. Let’s just trust that the current government, led in part by such luminaries as Pelosi and Reid, have contrived the absolutely perfect health care plan and invest trillions into its implementation. I mean, what in their record make you hesitant to trust? The approval record for Congress is at all time highs! Hey – if it doesn’t pan out, if there are gross cost overruns and bad unintended consequences, we lose some people and we’re out a few trillion dollars. What’s the big deal?

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:45 pm

Hi Midori :)

Mine cost that much too.

Jack

September 29th, 2011
9:46 pm

This “Marxist Kenyan usurper” that Bookman so idolizes will give shamelessness a rich new meaning if we don’t remove him next election: or else his ultra-liberal, ideological reforms will put this country in further default.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:47 pm

oldguy,

Sweet tea for me.

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
9:48 pm

Midori & getalife,

But a root canal costs $2000. The procedure was painful enough, and then you gotta stop by the cash register on the way out.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
9:48 pm

“But “seven years of college down the drain” is a little closer.”

Well…not entirely. There is the Associates Degree that was earned.

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
9:48 pm

theeyeshaveit,

I catch your drift about our health care. As for an MRI costing $35 in Japan it could very well be because he or she had a policy that was fully comprehensive. There are policies here where an MRI may be covered as part of the regular doctor visit. Depends on the policy you have. I had a friend several years ago that had a head injury and went to the ER room. His Catscan which is even more expensive I think than an MRI was included in his $50 ER visit copay so in that regard his cost for a whole visit including the Catscan was only $50. Apples and oranges I suppose.

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
9:50 pm

Jack,

I was tempted to say that you don’t know jack, but I won’t, because you certainly do know your hyperbole.

bman

September 29th, 2011
9:50 pm

eyes….would you not agree that when there is a problem, it’s probably wise to find the cause(s) of the problem followed by solutions?

oldguy

September 29th, 2011
9:50 pm

Thulsa,
You might also want to reference the fact that over 1/2 the Drs in the British national health care system are foreign trained, i.e. not a product of the British educational system.
p.s. The three terrorists that tried to ram an automobile full of gas cans into the Scottish airport terminal a few years ago were all National Health Care Doctors from Pakistan!

jconservative

September 29th, 2011
9:50 pm

The question that will be before the Court is not “mandate”. We have mandates and have had for decades.

See the FICA on your paycheck stub.

See all the 18 year old men register with Selective Service.

The idea of “mandate” is here to stay.

The Court will decide if marrying “Mandate” to the Commerce Clause is constitutional.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:52 pm

eyes,

Double ouch.

I spent some time in the hospital and now the costs.

The care is great but the costs are not.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:54 pm

know not now.

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
9:54 pm

Thulsa,

I don’t have time to get the details on how it works in Japan, because I’m going to check out for the evening soon. But, I will talk to my wife about them – she is the real deal from Japan. BTW, there was a special on some network a year or two ago that featured medicine in Thailand. Apparently, Americans have been flying there for treatment (usually surgery) at hospitals that look more like posh hotels to me. The expertise AND care is superb and the cost is reasonable even with the price of a round-trip ticket.

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
9:54 pm

Strawman,

You may be right. Why even worry about it. We should just leave everything to the govt since as you point out they have done such a competent job with the nation’s finances for example. And why shouldn’t we trust the competency of a Pelosi, Reid, or Cynthia McKinney when she was in Congress for that matter. And of course we all know that a guy who never had any meaningful experience in the private sector and who never held a chief executive job is fully qualified to go from community organizer to running the world’s largest budget. And the results speak for themselves. He’s doing just swell. Swell I tell ya. And in the 2 minutes it took me to write this blog we just went another 10 million in debt. Gotta love it!

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
9:55 pm

bman,

No doubt.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
9:55 pm

“The three terrorists that tried to ram an automobile full of gas cans into the Scottish airport terminal a few years ago were all National Health Care Doctors from Pakistan!”

Let’s get some of them over here. They’d be cheap and they would represent a kind of localized “death panel” so one wouldn’t need to go through a lot of red tape to get a decision.

oldguy

September 29th, 2011
9:56 pm

Hey Get,
my Dr won’t let me have sweet tea! (too much sugar!) Diabetes you know. :-)

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
9:57 pm

theyeshaveit,

Yes. Medical tourism is growing by leaps and bounds. 60 minutes had a great special on medical tourism in India. Same principle as what you wrote. Very cheap yet excellent care.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
9:57 pm

If you weren’t a vet, I would have called you a puerile idiot. Thanks for your service, anyway.

Save your faux gratitude. It does not impress me.

Get your sorry ass down to a VA and volunteer to help some of those guys. In other words, actually DO something other than wag your tongue to show your supposed gratitude.

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
9:57 pm

It’s unconstitutional for the Federal Government to force anybody to buy anything period. States are a different story. Who said Romney was a Conservative? Obama is a Communist with a perverted ideology that’s wrong for America or any other Country. Throw the commie out and take his wide-ass wife with him. Anybody but Obama in 2012.

moonbat betty

September 29th, 2011
9:58 pm

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
9:58 pm

Strawman at 9:55,

Now that would be one efficient govt death panel.

1811/0311

September 29th, 2011
9:59 pm

Headline: “Mike Mullen to Martin Dempsey: a generational shift at JCS”

“Adm. Mike Mullen and the man who replaces him Friday as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are just five years apart in age but their experiences are different in ways that represent a dramatic shift at the top of the nation’s armed forces.

Mullen, 64, the last of six chairmen whose careers were first defined in combat in southeast Asia, spent time as a young ensign off the coast of Vietnam on the destroyer USS Collett in 1968, firing 5-inch guns with such intensity that the barrels melted from the heat.

Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, 59, his successor, graduated from West Point in 1974, joining a force that was deeply scarred from having just lost the Vietnam war. He didn’t see his first combat until becoming a division commander in Iraq in 2003.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64785.html#ixzz1ZOdZjqpG

A couple of points:

1) Working in the hardened combat center on a naval ship that is firing five inch guns with an effective range of 13 nautical miles is not “combat”. It’s “firing at the enemy”.

2) “Seeing combat” as a division commander is not “combat”.

Bottom line ………. we need military personnel in the JCS who have “seen the elephant”.

http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Galloway_062304,00.html

Just sayin ………….

O.K. …………. take your shots.

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
10:01 pm

AmVet,

I got a customer just like you. He’s a Korean war vet and this man don’t tolerate no flak when it comes to VA care. He’s very proud of the care he has received from the VA. I see both sides and in Montgomery they are still cared of the VA there. My dad won’t get there. But here in ATL I generally have vets that are satisfied with it except when they have to go down to Clairmont. It has though made leaps and bounds from where it was back in the 70s and 80s.

oldguy

September 29th, 2011
10:01 pm

Strawman,
They are already here …. look at the yellow pages for physicians in you area!

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
10:02 pm

Thulsa,

But there is no guarantee, wouldn’t you say, that a person with so called private sector experience would make a good president. Just ask Meg Whitman, erstwhile eBay CEO and newest HP CEO (they have had more CEO’s there than Japan has had prime ministers). She lost to Jerry Brown in the race to become governor of California. And she spent of $187 of her own money trying to buy the office. Now, that doesn’t strike me as good business sense. But, oh well, HP will try her.

Gotta check out of town folks. Good night.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
10:04 pm

“Now that would be one efficient govt death panel.”

Yeah…and just think… they would likely render a “decision” before their 90 day probationary period was up, so you wouldn’t have to pay any real benefits for their “service.” They would be eager to come here and “work” so it’s probably a win-win all the way around.

Mick

September 29th, 2011
10:04 pm

**Bottom line ………. we need military personnel in the JCS who have “seen the elephant”.**

Yes, no paper tigers…

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
10:06 pm

“They are already here …. look at the yellow pages for physicians in you area!”

Yeah…but presently I don’t HAVE to use them. And I generally want to carry on an intelligible conversation with any physician in English.

oldguy

September 29th, 2011
10:07 pm

Thulsa,
Yes, its better, but my guys (and gals) had to drive from Robins AFB to Ft Gordon in Augusta for routine treatment; even to pick up medicine and the guy who had a steel plate in his head from Vietnam had to wait months for even routine treatment/follow up.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
10:09 pm

Sorry to hear that old guy.

No tea party for you.

oldguy

September 29th, 2011
10:11 pm

Good luck Strawman!
I currently am seeing 6 different Drs for different reasons and I picked them all!

oldguy

September 29th, 2011
10:12 pm

Get,
Love that Splenda though!

1811/0311

September 29th, 2011
10:13 pm

Mick:

“Yes, no paper tigers…”

There are some still out there but the true “warriors” are usually not politically correct enough for those billets.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
10:14 pm

Dang old guy.

I have three doctors.

I bet you take alot of meds.

Do you have nerve pain from diabetes?

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
10:15 pm

“Love that Splenda though!”

Yeah, I sure am glad the FDA has safeguarded us as well as it has. One simply cannot find room to criticize their work.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
10:26 pm

Well, guys…looks like things have died down here. I took a tact today I don’t naturally enjoy, but I tried to give some a dose of their own medicine. Hopefully, in the end, it will make for a better dialog since liberals are not all wrong and neither are conservatives. There’s a reasonable middle ground somewhere in there, but it can’t be had without mutual respect. It’s okay for sparks to fly some, but when you get into attacking the person, no debate can ensue. Probably the whole modus operandi needs to change on this blog. The only two people on the left who have made me think more deeply about my own positions are Jay and Brosephus, and that’s because they will engage in a sustained and serious dialog without resorting to smearing the other person.

Mick

September 29th, 2011
10:34 pm

1811

It helps if one has “walked the walk” instead of talking the talk, young lives are at stake, that’s not to be taken lightly…

out of the blue

September 29th, 2011
10:37 pm

1811/0311

September 29th, 2011
9:59 pm
Headline: “Mike Mullen to Martin Dempsey: a generational shift at JCS”

Scout, when are you ever going to wake up and smell the coffee? The days of Patton, Pulley, and Blackjack pershing are over…Get it? Let it go, the world is passing you by…and here you are debasing Admiral Mullen’s naval career because he was an officer, and you had to shine his shoes.

(the real) Independent

September 29th, 2011
10:40 pm

OK, let’s not require everyone who can afford it to buy insurance. But I am damn tired of paying for the “free riders” who make plenty of money but don’t buy insurance because they think they are young and won’t need it, then get cancer and cannot pay their bills. So let’s make it a deal, if someone chooses not to buy insurance, and does not have the cash to pay the hospital up front, then hospitals are not allowed to treat them by law. They should be wheeled to the curb and left to die.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
10:44 pm

straw,

Good luck on changing this blog.

Too funny.

What was your other name?

getalife

September 29th, 2011
10:45 pm

“left to die.”

You are not Indy.

You belong to the let them die party gop.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
10:57 pm

Doom, no question.

There are three groups I fiercely advocate for.

Children.

Veterans.

The unheard and disregarded poor.

And I have intensely personal and powerful reasons for standing up for the VA when ideologues with absolutely no relevant experiences try to besmirch the great people therein. The people who saved my life.

buck@gon

September 29th, 2011
10:59 pm

http://www.managedcaremag.com/archives/0612/0612.costshift.html
http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/30/7/1265.full

Jay,

From 2006 and 2011. Here’s more proof about what I was saying. Managed care calls it the “cost shift”.

Jay Bookman might call it inertia and jingoism. In fact, you did just yesterday, didn’t you?

I’m beginning to realize that liberal shibboleths come before reality, and your projection of an equivalent faith onto conservatives comes before you recognize, to say nothing of addressing valid conservative points.

Well, I have little hope that you will abandon YOUR inertia, Jay! I think even a good electoral butt-kicking would only increase your indignation and your distance from the real.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
11:04 pm

I think Mullen served well in a tough job.

Hope the new guy does not have flashbacks from Vietnam like scout.

scout did not support our victory in Libya so he does not speak for our military.

1811/0311

September 29th, 2011
11:04 pm

Mick @ 10:34

Exactly !

buck@gon

September 29th, 2011
11:06 pm

AmVet,

Ok then, we’re all proud of you for your service and your fierce fierce fierce advocacy.

Tell the Democrats to pass a budget someday, OK?

That way there might actually be some money for all those fiercely defended helpless people who have no one besides you and 1 million bureaucrats looking out for them.

If this happens we won’t end up like Greece whose fierce fierce fierce warriors threw bricks fiercely defending their glorified government pensions and charity work for fiercely defended poor people that were also bankrupting the country.

–and you said that I had monied masters!!!

LoL

You have far more than I evidently, and your self-importance is getting the better of you too.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
11:10 pm

“Tell the Democrats to pass a budget someday, OK? ”

You are out of touch with the gop do nothing congress.

They voted to spend more money to keep government running for a couple of days and you think the gop do nothing congress would pass a budget.

Way out of touch with reality buck.

1811/0311

September 29th, 2011
11:11 pm

out of the blue:

Ah ……………………….. it was “Puller” not Pulley. Five Navy Crosses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesty_Puller

And the “David Hackworth’s” are still out there …………… it’s just that the true warriors aren’t very often politically correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hackworth

Distinguished Service Cross
Ten Silver Stars ……………………… TEN !
Three Legions of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
Eight Bronze Stars …………………. EIGHT !
Eight Purple Hearts ……………….. EIGHT !

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
11:27 pm

“Ok then, we’re all proud of you for your service…”

We?

You speak for NO ONE here but your own sorry self.

And I already called b*llsh*t on your fake thank you the first time.

Go stick another yellow ribbon on your vehicle, chickenhawk.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
11:33 pm

“You speak for NO ONE here but your own sorry self.

My aren’t we sanctimonious? Don’t try that crap on me, chump. You are not the only one with military service. I guess you feel it gives you the right dump on people. Save it or stuff it.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
11:40 pm

So much for changing the blog huh straw.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
11:45 pm

“So much for changing the blog huh straw.”

I’m going to dish out this kind of crap until people get a feel for what it’s like to be on the receiving end of it. I mean, really, what the hang? You don’t like someone’s views so you rudely demean them by pretending to be superior by virtue of military service. That’s what a bully does.

getalife

September 30th, 2011
12:26 am

To stop a bully, punch them in the nose.

But I thought you are changing this blog.

Be civil and you will be treated fine on this blog.

Good Little Liberal

September 30th, 2011
4:12 am

Oh sure. It’s the Republicans that have wanted Universal Health Care all along. LOL!!!

How pathetic. How completely pathetic.

TonyB

September 30th, 2011
4:33 am

If, as Congressman Ron Paul says, no private individual or private corporation should be mandated to do anything they don’t want to do, then why are hospitals mandated to provide free health care as a last resort? Every GOP candidate for President in 2012 has called to repeal Obamacare. I say, if they repeal Obamacare, then they should repeal any mandate for hospitals to provide free health care. If someone shows up at the emergency room in a coma without proof of their ability to pay, hospitals should be allowed to turn them away. Isn’t if funny that candidates like Ron Paul and the rest of the moronic GOP field don’t have any solutions regarding mandated health care that forces hospitals to provide free services? Half of a solution isn’t really a solution, is it? Hypocrites!

TonyB

September 30th, 2011
4:54 am

This isn’t about policy or politics. It’s about a man. For some strange reason, Republicans can’t stand that Obama sits in the Oval Office. Obama could agree with every policy that Republicans embrace and he could propose ideas that have long since been Republican ideas. The individual mandate is a perfect example. But, because it’s Barack Obama, Republicans will always disagree. Like I said, this hatred that Republicans and Tea Party members show for Obama is not about politics or policy, it’s something much deeper and much more personal than that. It’s about the man. It’s about Barack Obama. They hate the man himself. I wonder why they hate him so much. They didn’t hate Clinton like that. Gee, I wonder, what could it be?

Joel Edge

September 30th, 2011
5:50 am

“It was a conservative idea”
Never heard of it, never read about it, Jay. Socialized medicine has always be associated with….socialists.

Brosephus™ - Drones gonna get ya!!!

September 30th, 2011
6:16 am

SANAA, Yemen — Yemen’s Defense Ministry said Friday that the U.S.-born al-Qaida cleric Anwar al-Awlaki has been killed.

The Yemeni ministry provided no details in the statement, which appeared on one of its website.

Yemeni security and tribal officials said an airstrike thought to have been carried out by U.S. aircraft on Friday targeted a convoy of cars traveling in the eastern province of Marib but could not say whether al-Awlaki was in the convoy.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/yemen-says-al-qaida-1191352.html

When you’re out and about today, watch out for those overhead predators. Those things can be mean!!!

laughing

September 30th, 2011
7:18 am

Romney is not a serious candidate. You have to be a Christian to win the GOP nomination.

Good Little Liberal

September 30th, 2011
7:25 am

laughing

“Romney is not a serious candidate. You have to be a Christian to win the GOP nomination.”

Like Obama, Clinton, Carter, Johnson and Kennedy claimed to be.

Keep laughing.

HDB

September 30th, 2011
8:41 am

Good Little Liberal
September 30th, 2011
4:12 am
“Oh sure. It’s the Republicans that have wanted Universal Health Care all along. LOL!!!

How pathetic. How completely pathetic.”

Actually, universal health care was an issue that THEODORE ROOSEVELT (R) attempted to solve when he was President………

Joe Mama

September 30th, 2011
9:35 am

R. Danneskjold — “Laws compelling anything are not “conservative” – rather such laws are the mark of an elitist, an overlord, one who believe he knows better how others should live. That would not prevent a shamelss leftist elitist from asserting otherwise, to try to borrow the inherent legitimacy of conservatism.”

Huh. So was it not conservative when Kennesaw’s city leaders made it a MANDATE for all households to possess and maintain a firearm and ammunition?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_GA#Gun_law