Romney: ‘Individual mandate seen as conservative idea’

Mitt Romney on the individual mandate, a core concept in both RomneyCare and ObamaCare:

“The idea for the health care plan was not mine alone. The Heritage Foundation, a great conservative think tank, helped on that. I’m told that Newt Gingrich was one of the very first people to come up with idea of the individual mandate — did that years and years ago.  It was conceived — it was seen as a conservative idea to say, you know what, people have a responsibility to care for themselves if they can.”

All of which is true, of course. Every last word of it.

It was a conservative idea, right up until the time that Barack Obama decided to incorporate it into his own health-care plan, at which point it became the greatest horror ever imposed upon a free people by a Marxist Kenyan usurper. And the shamelessness of that ideological flip still astounds.

– Jay Bookman

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Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
5:30 pm

Embed needs tweaking, Jay.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
5:31 pm

Embed needs tweaking, Sport.

There fixed it.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
5:31 pm

Conservatives were for it before they were against it.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
5:34 pm

No, SOME conservatives were for it before they were against it.

Doesn’t mean it was right in either case. Probably played well to the liberals in MA though.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
5:37 pm

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

September 29th, 2011
5:37 pm

:lol:

This one should be good for a few laughs.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
5:38 pm

From the Wiki:

An individual mandate is a requirement by a government that certain individual citizens purchase or otherwise obtain a good or service.

In the United States, the United States Congress has enacted two individual mandates, the first was never federally enforced, while the second is not scheduled to take effect until 2014. The Militia Acts of 1792, based on the Constitution’s militia clause (in addition to its affirmative authorization to raise an army and a navy), would have required every “free able-bodied white male citizen” between the ages of 18 and 45, with a few occupational exceptions, to “provide himself” a weapon and ammunition;[1] however, its constitutionality was never litigated.[2] Federal medical insurance legislation signed in 2010 imposes a health insurance mandate to take effect in 2014, based on the Congressional power to regulate interstate commerce, but the legislation is controversial: in 2010, a majority of states joined litigation in federal court arguing that the power to “regulate” commerce does not include an affirmative power to compel commerce by penalizing inaction; as of 2011, the several court rulings on the matter have disagreed about whether the mandate is constitutional.[3][4][5] In 1994, the Congressional Budget Office issued a report describing an individual mandate as “an unprecedented form of federal action… The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States.”[6]

It matters not from whence the idea came, Jay. Stop using little tidbits of news as a springboard for converting the masses. Why don’t you figure out first where the legal, constitutional precedence for this lies? THEN write a column.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
5:40 pm

“It matters not from whence the idea came”

Yes it does matter.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
5:42 pm

Conservatives INVENTED it, Hoot.

Judson Hill, a conservative state senator from Cobb County and Gingrich acolyte, introduced a bill in Georgia back in 2007 to impose an individual mandate. That same Sen. Hill later sponsored a resolution declaring the individual mandate unconstitutional.

Moderate Line

September 29th, 2011
5:44 pm

It was a conservative idea, right up until the time that Barack Obama decided to incorporate it into his own health-care plan, at which point it became the greatest horror ever imposed upon a free people by a Marxist Kenyan usurper. And the shamelessness of that ideological flip still astounds.
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“Both of us want to provide health care to all Americans. There’s a slight difference, and her plan is a good one. But, she mandates that everybody buy health care. She’d have the government force every individual to buy insurance and I don’t have such a mandate because I don’t think the problem is that people don’t want health insurance, it’s that they can’t afford it. So, I focus more on lowering costs. This is a modest difference. But, it’s one that she’s tried to elevate, arguing that because I don’t force people to buy health care that I’m not insuring everybody. Well, if things were that easy, I could mandate everybody to buy a house, and that would solve the problem of homelessness. It doesn’t.”

Barak Obama

http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
5:45 pm

I’m a conservative, and I agree completely with the individual mandate. I suspect many don’t because Obama does, and because at first glance it appears to be an attack on freedom. But I don’t think it is at all in a society where everyone is going to be taken care of, at least to a certain extent, no matter how much money they have. In a way we already have mandatory insurance – part of Social Security is disability insurance.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
5:46 pm

“That same Sen. Hill later sponsored a resolution declaring the individual mandate unconstitutional.”

Did you know that Reagan was once an abortion law proponent? Do you not grant that people can have genuine changes of heart and mind? I’m not saying that’s true of Hill (as I don’t know), but I’d rather a guy turn around the car we’re in when he realizes we are about to go over a cliff than do the opposite.

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
5:46 pm

Judson Hill, a conservative state senator from Cobb County and Gingrich acolyte, introduced a bill in Georgia back in 2007 to impose an individual mandate. That same Sen. Hill later sponsored a resolution declaring the individual mandate unconstitutional.

Probably played well to the liberals in Ga. though.

pogo

September 29th, 2011
5:47 pm

Obama decided not to appeal the challenges and decided to send it to the SCOTUS. He knew it wouldn’t hold up and he knew it was a piece of crap that the American people didn’t want. He is essentially left knowing the Supreme Court will not uphold it and he is going to try to make some kind of pathetic attempt at blaming the conservatives for its demise even though he knows it is crap.

jm

September 29th, 2011
5:48 pm

Jay’s changing topics like every hour or so. The man is productive, I’ll give him that….

martin the calvinist

September 29th, 2011
5:49 pm

I’m a conservative and I don’t think a forced individual mandate is a conservative idea, instead it’s a gross abuse of federal power!

jm

September 29th, 2011
5:49 pm

Knives out for Romney….. shocker

The man might wallop Obama.

jm

September 29th, 2011
5:51 pm

Jay, factually true.

Difference is, I suppose, Republican supporters hate it. No one ran it through the court of either public opinion or the actual court system before. Its not popular (in several states anyway), and R’s listened to their constituents.. And it may not be legal.

We’ll see

getalife

September 29th, 2011
5:51 pm

pogo,

It is corporate welfare.

The cons in the SC loves them some corporate.

Guess what will happen?

ty webb

September 29th, 2011
5:52 pm

“Romneycare” is a “racist” term, therefore has no place in this debate.

ty webb

September 29th, 2011
5:53 pm

and there’s a difference between an idea developed and touted by “conservatives” and a “conservative idea”.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
5:54 pm

ty,

willardcare ok?

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
5:54 pm

“I’m a conservative, and I agree completely with the individual mandate. I suspect many don’t because Obama does, and because at first glance it appears to be an attack on freedom.”

One reason for the mandate is to, of course, insure no one is “gaming” the system – taking but not giving (which is legitimate in my view). Here’s my solution for that: you either must buy insurance OR you must sign a waiver relieving the state or federal government from any responsibility for your health care until such time that you decide otherwise and you pay a sum of money equal to the amount you would have paid had you purchased health care when the bill was enacted. There are some people of independent means who can pay out of pocket. Why FORCE them to buy insurance?

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
5:54 pm

Knives out for Romney….. shocker

The man might wallop Obama.

Too bad he’ll get walloped by Perry in the primary.

ty webb

September 29th, 2011
5:55 pm

oh, and George Bush also called himself a “conservative”, does that make it so?

Logical Dude

September 29th, 2011
5:57 pm

jm, I think it’s not as much a poke at Romney as much as the hypocrisy of the whole GOP.

ty webb

September 29th, 2011
5:57 pm

“Jay’s changing topics like every hour or so. The man is productive, I’ll give him that….”

jm,
it’s quality, not quantity.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
5:58 pm

“Too bad he’ll get walloped by Perry in the primary.”

I rather doubt it. Time will tell, of course. A Perry nomination would be disastrous, I think.

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
5:58 pm

“you either must buy insurance OR you must sign a waiver relieving the state or federal government from any responsibility for your health care until such time that you decide otherwise and you pay a sum of money equal to the amount you would have paid had you purchased health care when the bill was enacted.”

That will NEVER work, and I’m not willing to stand by and watch a person die just because they were too stupid to buy insurance. Make them buy insurance.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
5:59 pm

Calm down ty.

So, you cons invented the mandate.

“corporations are people” willard romney.

Matti's Open Eyes

September 29th, 2011
5:59 pm

And the shamelessness of that ideological flip still astounds.

Yep.

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
5:59 pm

oh, and George Bush also called himself a “conservative”, does that make it so?

The center is moving again.

Might as well mount it on Tony Pedregon’s Funny Car.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
6:00 pm

Do you really want to be forced to buy corporate crap?

I don’t.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:00 pm

“That will NEVER work, and I’m not willing to stand by and watch a person die just because they were too stupid to buy insurance. Make them buy insurance.”

Then, to be consistent, you need to enact a whole lot more legislation (because people do foolish things habitually all of the time which threaten their lives).

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
6:01 pm

“There are some people of independent means who can pay out of pocket. Why FORCE them to buy insurance?”

Fine. If you have a gross income exceeding some low 7 digit number, you don’t have to buy insurance. Everyone else does. For the very poor, the government buys it for them.

One thing I would like to see is the price of medical insurance go up for people who are overweight (excluding medical conditions) and who smoke.

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
6:02 pm

I rather doubt it. Time will tell, of course.

Again — evangelicals have been choosing the Republican nominee for president since Nixon.

Evangelicals will not support Mittens and his magic underpants.

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
6:03 pm

“Then, to be consistent, you need to enact a whole lot more legislation (because people do foolish things habitually all of the time which threaten their lives).”

But I don’t have to pay for those things.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:03 pm

“One thing I would like to see is the price of medical insurance go up for people who are overweight (excluding medical conditions) and who smoke.”

And what would be the enforcement mechanism should they be poor?

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
6:03 pm

I’ve been saying the same thing- it’s irresponsible to not have health insurance and some people are all too willing to let others pay for their irresponsibility- I’ve never understood the wingnut poutrage over this except as Jay wrote, its because Obama was for it too!

ragnar danneskjold

September 29th, 2011
6:03 pm

Laws compelling anything are not “conservative” – rather such laws are the mark of an elitist, an overlord, one who believe he knows better how others should live. That would not prevent a shamelss leftist elitist from asserting otherwise, to try to borrow the inherent legitimacy of conservatism.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
6:04 pm

“There are some people of independent means who can pay out of pocket. Why FORCE them to buy insurance?”

Judson Hill’s bill required such people to post a bond to exempt themselves from the mandate. See: http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2007_08/sum/sb28.htm

It also included a so-called “death panel.” Oh, and his cosponsor was that paragon of wisdom and ethics, the great Sen. Chip Rogers.

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
6:05 pm

If they are poor, the government pays for the higher premiums. Even the overweight smokers. Because in the end, we will pay for their medical care.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:06 pm

“Again — evangelicals have been choosing the Republican nominee for president since Nixon.”

You have a generalized and distorted view of the Christian voting block, I think. “Evangelical” is a religious and media term that applies to some portion of the practicing Christians in America. It is ill-defined and therefore nebulous.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
6:06 pm

This is not the only issue the suddenly fiscal cons don’t support because OUR President supports it.

The American jobs bill he wrote is full of them.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
6:07 pm

Tommie Williams, now Senate president, was another cosponsor.

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
6:09 pm

“Laws compelling anything are not “conservative” – rather such laws are the mark of an elitist, an overlord, one who believe he knows better how others should live.”

All laws compel something – that’s why they are laws and not suggestions. I object to having to pay the medical costs of someone who irresponsibly does not purchase insurance. I want the freedom to not have to do that.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
6:10 pm

This proposal was made when the GOP was quite different.

Today’s hyper-dysfunctional Republican Party does not think about solutions.

The Party of No does not act.

It reacts.

It works this way.

If non-Republicans are for something – they are opposed.

if non-Republicans are against something – they are for it.

The merits, reasons, etc, do not enter into it.

Pick a topic, any topic – climate change, the environment in general, education, protecting middle class interests, tax codes, foreign policy, gays, minorities, healthcare for all, chosen, botched invasions and occupations.

How one group can be so wrong about damn near everything is the only mystery…

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
6:11 pm

You have a generalized and distorted view of the Christian voting block, I think.

Well, seeing as how I was fully immersed in the evangelical lifestyle for the first 15-17 years of my life, I would say that my view of evangelicals is a bit more accurate than you think.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 29th, 2011
6:11 pm

Well, my buddy Joe Bill says it’s his right to go to a hospitle and stick the bill to the taxpayers and the insurance cos. You may recall Joe Bill fell off of his house roof right onto his head about a year ago. He says it actually helped his thinking powers but now the hospitle and the Drs. are after him and they’re suing him and trying to take his farm.

Joe Bill always points out that thousands of people without insurance go to a emergency room every year and never pay a cent. A hospitle has to treat them. It’s the law. He don’t see why he should be singled out and made to pay. And he don’t see why he should be forced to take out a insurance policy or else get socked with extra tax. He says he should have the same rights to sock it to people as everybody else. I got to agree with him. I got a right to walk around like a kind of exploding premium and tax bomb if I want to. Somebody should pay for my medical care but it oughtn’t to be me or Joe Bill either if I get sick or hurt. We got to have Freedom or else we got nothing. It’s just tough sh-t some poor suckers are going to wind up paying for mine and Joe Bill’s care. That’s the price of living in a Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. I mean, just look at that picture of Bookman. He looks kind of rich to me. He can afford a few extra bucks for them to patch me up.

That’s my opinion and it’s very true. I would write more but Fox News is on and I got to learn the Truth about what’s going on in this world. Not that twisted pablum the librul channels feed us. Have a good night everybody.

Matti's Open Eyes

September 29th, 2011
6:11 pm

Do you really want to be forced to buy corporate crap? I don’t.

Me neither! The profit motive that drives many business models is all well and good, but not good for health care. The results of our uber-capitalist, free-but-not-really-free-market “solution” to basic medical needs of our citizens is a disaster. Sure, the people with money have “the best in the world” and they don’t have to wait in line for it, either! Woooo! (See, the lines and wait times are shorter for them because in America, not everyone is allowed IN the line. It’s quite a different story for the millions who don’t matter.) The compromises in the ACA were made to appease people who do not have our best interests at heart. What a shame.

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
6:12 pm

“This is not the only issue the suddenly fiscal cons don’t support because OUR President supports it.

The American jobs bill he wrote is full of them.”

Most conservatives object less to what is in the jobs bill than how to pay for it.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
6:12 pm

It’s amazing to me the hypocritical wingnuts here (excluding Gordon) who yammering on and on about everyone paying their fair share and having skin in the game, and simply go ballistic at this perceived injustice.

Their hypocrisy is truly astounding.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:13 pm

“I’ve been saying the same thing- it’s irresponsible to not have health insurance and some people are all too willing to let others pay for their irresponsibility- I’ve never understood the wingnut poutrage over this except as Jay wrote, its because Obama was for it too!”

Well, Bosch, it’s not just the Constitutional issue for me. It’s (as I’ve said elsewhere) that I simply don NOT trust the government to manage health care to any great extent. And that should not be hard for liberals to understand, since they arguably have an equally great distrust of corporations (actually, I tend to distrust them both). I simply do not see a lot of evidence that the government handles much very well, and that is the basis for my mistrust. Not getting mail on Saturday is not going to kill me. Bad medical rules may.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:15 pm

“Judson Hill’s bill required such people to post a bond to exempt themselves from the mandate. It also included a so-called “death panel.” Oh, and his cosponsor was that paragon of wisdom and ethics, the great Sen. Chip Rogers.”

Jay, ideas are ideas and people are people. The latter, whatever their behavior, do not necessarily validate or invalidate the former.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
6:15 pm

“What a shame.”

It sets a horrible precedent.

Next they will force us to buy some other corporate crap.

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
6:15 pm

“It’s amazing to me the hypocritical wingnuts here (excluding Gordon)…..”

Thanks!….I think.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
6:16 pm

Strawman

That is a strawman- the govt will not be providing the service.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:18 pm

“That is a strawman- the govt will not be providing the service.”

Will they set the policies by which health care is administered?

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
6:18 pm

Jay, ideas are ideas and people are people.

Repetition is repetition, and tautology is saying the same thing with different words.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:20 pm

“Repetition is repetition, and tautology is saying the same thing with different words.”

You need to step on the gas, buddy.

Aquagirl

September 29th, 2011
6:20 pm

OR you must sign a waiver relieving the state or federal government from any responsibility blah blah blah

Yes, that worked SO well for fire protection.

http://consumerist.com/2010/10/firefighters-watch-as-home-burns-to-ground.html

And why do you think it’ll save money? What happens when somebody has TB and we end up paying MORE when it spreads? Wow, what an efficient use of our healthcare system.

Plus, if you think doctors, EMT’s and others are going to sit and watch people die for lack of money, you must think your innate sociopathic behavior is normal. Newsflash: it ain’t.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
6:20 pm

Bosch, I think your observation goes to the very heart of the matter of the astounding ignorance on the right regarding even the basics of single payer healthcare.

They don’t trust Uncle Sam even in the face of mountains of evidence that the current dysfunctional system as foisted on the people by inept profiteers is a deadly travesty.

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
6:21 pm

“Well, Bosch, it’s not just the Constitutional issue for me. It’s (as I’ve said elsewhere) that I simply don NOT trust the government to manage health care to any great extent. ”

I agree, Strawman. I don’t think requiring people to buy insurance is the government managing health care. I think the government should regulate PRIVATE insurance companies (”you can’t kick someone out who makes a claim”, “you can’t raise your premiums on an individual who makes a claim more than X% unless you raise them on everyone”, etc.). People should also be free to buy as much insurance as they want above the minimum.

By the way, it isn’t just the poor who don’t buy insurance. Sometimes it is the young and healthy who simply choose to take the risk.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
6:21 pm

Gordon

Your the only righty here who gets that

getalife

September 29th, 2011
6:21 pm

“how to pay for it.”

Yeah, figure out how you can pay for w’s bills first.

Drug plan, tax cuts, wars, etc…….

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
6:23 pm

Strawman

Do they now?

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:26 pm

“You must think your innate sociopathic behavior is normal.”

Yours is well on display, so you tell me. Are you normal? The whole question will be moot if the SCOTUS rule the individual mandate is unconstitutional. Whine all you wish then, it won’t amount to a hill of beans (except of course the handful of rabid ideologues who share your myopic view of things).

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
6:26 pm

“They don’t trust Uncle Sam even in the face of mountains of evidence that the current dysfunctional system as foisted on the people by inept profiteers is a deadly travesty.”

This idea is where I think we go wrong on so many issues. It’s either all government or no government. Government should regulate, not participate (sorry to sound like Jesse Jackson). Think of an umpire in a baseball game. Democrats want the umpire to make the batter have to close his eyes if his team is leading. Republicans want the batter to call his own balls and strikes. Neither works. Government has a role and the private sector has a role. When one encroaches on the other’s territory, the results are usually not good.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
6:26 pm

AmVet

Apparently they don’t care their arguments are hypocritical, inconsistent, and based on made up stuff.

bman

September 29th, 2011
6:27 pm

I could care less who was for what, when they were for it etc…

Simply because republicans oppose it (then or now-who cares), should not be enough of a reason to support it. This limited experienced, future talk-show host cheerleader has had zero success. But hey…let’s let him turn our healthcare services upside down.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:30 pm

“They don’t trust Uncle Sam even in the face of mountains of evidence that the current dysfunctional system as foisted on the people by inept profiteers is a deadly travesty.”

And you don’t trust corporations – you loathe them (as evidenced above). So either you are too dense too comprehend (and be accepting of the fact) that other people can distrust other things than you do, or else you are a willfully blind person.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
6:30 pm

Bosch, I just don’t think they are very bright. At all. Any collective organization that works feverishly and needlessly against their own interests is pretty screwed up.

Every single civilized country on the planet, and every single democracy around the globe provides healthcare for it’s citizenry. No gimmicks. No letting citizens die because they aren’t profitable enough.

There is exactly one subset of one democracy that is opposed to basic human decency.

Take a little guess who that is?

If you were to guess that it is the hijacked, hemorrhaging GOP, I’d say, “You betcha”…

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:34 pm

“Democrats want the umpire to make the batter have to close his eyes if his team is leading. Republicans want the batter to call his own balls and strikes. Neither works. Government has a role and the private sector has a role. When one encroaches on the other’s territory, the results are usually not good.”

Well put, G. And I don’t have an issue with government providing some oversight. I simply don’t want it steering the course of my own (or anyone else’s heathcare to an appreciable extent). I have worked for the government and I have worked for fortune 500 corporations (as well as small businesses). I have seen the problems in both sectors.

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
6:42 pm

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:45 pm

“Right out of Frank Luntz’ playbook…”

Wow…I guess I should have read that (it would have saved me from having to think about this matter independently). Like I said, buddy, you need to step on the gas.

Aquagirl

September 29th, 2011
6:46 pm

Are you normal?

Hmmmmm….let’s see….I don’t think hospitals will stand by and watch a person die if they could intervene and save his/her life, just because you think somebody’s stealing the filling out of your twinkies.

Yep, that seems pretty normal. Why don’t you try shopping your bat$#!^ crazy around to a few doctors and see what they say? You might actually find out they aren’t on board with your idea, and examine why you think bat$#!^ crazy is “normal.”

My question is, should doctors provide lifesaving treatment for you after you tell a gay soldier he’s just like a guy boinking his dog? Believe it or not, doctors will even treat the bat$#!^ crazy. For which you should be immensely grateful.

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
6:47 pm

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
6:02 pm
“Again — evangelicals have been choosing the Republican nominee for president since Nixon.”

There’s your card.

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
6:47 pm

“There is exactly one subset of one democracy that is opposed to basic human decency.”

Wow. All of us concerned that the government will not manage healthcare for everyone any better than they have managed the other entitlement programs, all of which (especially Medicare) are unsustainable in their present form, and who are proving to be ineffective even in those areas which are in their domain like energy and immigration, and who are actuarily broke, are opposed to basic human decency.

Who knew?

At some point the track record has to matter.

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
6:48 pm

(it would have saved me from having to think about this matter independently).

Uh, huh.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:50 pm

“Hmmmmm….let’s see…”

Thanks. You answered the question better than you know: you are a sociopath. I would not be immensely grateful for doctors saving your life if you boinked your dog (please, don’t tell us what that means – TMI) and you shouldn’t either since that would be a simple instance of the unfit not surviving.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
6:52 pm

That the modern day flagellants in the far right wing want to be abused by their Wall Street overlords and monied masters is fine by me.

Hell, they can sell tickets to their beatdowns for all I care.

All I’m interested in is stopping them from taking everybody else down with them…

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:52 pm

“Uh, huh.”

Kam…you are grunting now. I trust all is well. Throw out that bubble gum and then you can concentrate on stepping on the gas.

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
6:53 pm

Perhaps gubment managed health care will be as good as gubment subsidized green energy. Solyndra?

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
6:56 pm

“That the modern day flagellants in the far right wing want to be abused by their Wall Street overlords and monied masters is fine by me.”

Yes! How did you know that cons are really like that? You perspicacious rocking dude, you! Oh wait…maybe you did some if that stuff yourself when stationed abroad…ohhhh….nice chatting with you, ace.

Tom Middleton

September 29th, 2011
6:56 pm

If we could just get the Republicans out of their permanent campaign mode, we might finally have a Washington that serves the people, not the other way around. But what are the chances of that happening with their a dismal economic record created during the Bush administration, that is still dealing us fits today.

Too bad they can’t acknowledge their enormous economic mistakes; for if they could, they would have been helping our president help the people these last three years, instead of trying to destroy him with everything they’ve got.

How much longer before the American people see through their self-serving shenanigans and get behind our president with everything THEY’VE got and get this country speeding forward again? Not much longer, Jay, for the writing is clearly on the wall; and the sooner they get started, the better it will be for all of us!!!!

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
6:57 pm

…stepping on the gas.

You keep using that phrase.

If I were to, as you say, “step on the gas,” I would lap you yet another time

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
6:58 pm

Hypocrisy?

Soooo is the Repub hypocrisy kinda like the Democrat hypocrisy regarding gitmo, war in Iraq and Afgh, the Patriot Act? Why yes! It is! Seems to me that Obama has kept the vast majority of Bush policies regarding prisoners of war, gitmo, Patriot act, conduct of the Iraq/Afghn wars, etc.

Speaking of the Patriot Act where are all them ticked off hypocritical Dems complaining about Republican invasions of civil liberties with the Patriot Act? Where dey at? Aint heard a peep from them since Obama came into the white house.

Aint heard a peep from all them war protesters either since Obama came into office. What happened to them? Did they get lost? Were they anti-Patriot Act and Anti-war? Or just anti-Bush? Where dey at???

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
7:00 pm

“I would lap you yet another time”- the poo

Ya can’t lap somene if you’re still stuck in neutral and never got past go.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
7:01 pm

“If I were to, as you say, “step on the gas,” I would lap you yet another time.”

Please…that conjures up a most unpleasant mental image. I suggested you throw out your bubblegum, not extend your tongue out of you mouth and….apply it. Talk to AquaGirl or AmVet…they may be more obliging.

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
7:03 pm

Tom Middleton

September 29th, 2011
6:56 pm
“If we could just get the Republicans out of their permanent campaign mode”

So Tom,

At this point in Bush’s 1st term I believe he had done something like 6 or 8 campaign fundraisers. How many has Obama done? What is it? 33 or 34? Ya never let the facts get in the way of your argument do ya Tom?

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
7:04 pm

I suggested you throw out your bubblegum, not extend your tongue out of you[sic] mouth and….apply it.

I’ll make a note….

jt

September 29th, 2011
7:05 pm

“And the shamelessness of that ideological flip still astounds.”
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Bookman is correct………………astounding.
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Not unlike the flop of the anti-war lefties……………..astounding.
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Either ya got principles or not.

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
7:06 pm

Oh Lawdy. Libruls quoting Frank Luntz and Fox News. It doesn’t get any funnier.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
7:06 pm

The gop want to go back to their collapse..

Their strategy to derail our recovery was working until we still grew the economy..

We need to grow more even with the gop trying to derail our recovery.

They deserve to lose and you cons know it.

carlosgvv

September 29th, 2011
7:06 pm

When Mitch McConnell announced the number one goal of the Republicans was the defeat of Obama in 2012, he meant every word of it. Republicans will paint Obama in the worst possible way no matter what he does. And, if he comes up with a healthcare idea that was originally concieved by conservatives, Republicans will trash it any way they can. This shows that Republicans care only for Party and nothing for the American people. As for the “shamelessness of that idelogical flip”, you cann shame those who have no ability to feel that emotion.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
7:07 pm

“I’ll make a note….”

Out of curiosity, buddy, do you even know what sic means? Ah…you’re going to look it up no matter.

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
7:10 pm

getalife

September 29th, 2011
7:06 pm

“The gop want to go back to their collapse..

Their strategy to derail our recovery was working until we still grew the economy.”

getalife,

Just curious but if the democrats were doing such a good job of growing the economy when they had the presidency and BOTH houses of Congress during obama’s first 2 years then how come they couldn’t grow the economy? And how come they then got decimated in the last election cycle if they were doing such a fine job?

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
7:11 pm

One more time for the willfully ignorant:

We currently have over one thousand five hundred different insurance plans in this country, each with their own marketing, paperwork, enrollment, premiums, rules, and regulations. Our clusterf&ck of an insurance system is *extremely> complex, fragmented and inefficient.

Nearly one third of every health care dollar goes to paperwork, overhead, exorbitant CEO salaries, profits, and other non-clinical costs.

We currently rank 37th in the world on healthcare,

Our per capital costs for healthcare are 42% higher than in Switzerland.

14.9% of our GDP is spent on health care and the cost is growing rapidly. Japan spends 7.6% of its GDP, Australia 8.5%, Holland 8.6% and Canada 9.5%. By 2013, per capita health care spending in the U.S. is projected to increase to 18.4 percent of GDP.

The Medicare program operates with just 3% overhead, compared to 15% to 25% overhead at a typical HMO.

Physicians in the U.S. face massive bureaucratic costs. The average office-based American doctor employs 1.5 clerical and managerial staff, spends 44% of gross income on overhead, and devotes 134 hours of his/her own time annually to billing. Canadian physicians employ 0.7 clerical/administrative staff, spend 34% of their gross income for overhead, and trivial amounts of time on billing (there’s a single half page form for all patients, or a simple electronic system).

Typical government estimates put the figure for billing fraud and abuse at 10 percent of annual spending, amounting to over $150 billion annually.

And finally two letters for the Uncle sam haters – VA.

Everybody in, nobody out.

Single Payer Now!

JohnnyReb

September 29th, 2011
7:11 pm

Calling your opponent a hypocrite has no meaning in a court of law. It doesn’t matter what Conservatives have said or done; the objective is to erase the law from the books. The moonbats here see that as a big injustice. Voters will either agree or disagree with that Nov 2012. My money is on Republicans being given POTUS and the Senate making it unnecessary to depend on SCOTUS for repeal.

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
7:13 pm

carlosgvv

September 29th, 2011
7:06 pm

“When Mitch McConnell announced the number one goal of the Republicans was the defeat of Obama in 2012, he meant every word of it.”-Carlosgvv

So.

” Republicans will paint Obama in the worst possible way no matter what he does.”-carlosgvv

Carlos,

And of course dems never tried to paint Bush in the worst possible way no matter what he did? Did they?