Early returns are in for Ga.-Oregon economic test case
Back in January 2010, I proposed an imperfect if interesting little test.
The states of Oregon and Georgia, I noted, had a lot in common economically.
“… median household incomes in Georgia ($50,861) and Oregon ($50,169) are quite similar. They start from a similar base on taxes as well, since Oregon voters have a tradition of fiscal conservatism equal to that of Georgia. In 2005, Oregon ranked 41st in per capita state taxes ($1,791) while Georgia ranked 42nd ($1,726), according to the Census Bureau.”
However, the two states were taking quite different approaches to the economic challenges of the recession. While Oregon, like most states, had already been forced to slash its budget, voters in that state had also just approved ballot measures that increased taxes on businesses and on households with incomes higher than $250,000. The new revenue allowed Oregon to close its remaining budget gap of $727 million and fend off further cuts in education and other public services.
Georgia, of course, was taking the opposite tack. Not only was its leadership refusing to consider tax hikes of any kind, they were insisting that additional tax cuts were needed to make the state more attractive to business.
So which course of action would prove more effective? While it’s still too soon to declare a definitive winner, we do have some early data to consider.
Just to be clear, I’m not arguing that the difference in tax strategies caused the difference in outcomes. Quite the opposite. I’m arguing against the prevalent foolishness that tax strategies exert some powerful, determinative influence on economies that in fact are enormously complicated and subject to all kinds of feedback loops, outside influences and sheer random chance.
In this case, Oregon was able to keep teachers in the classroom and cops on the job while also enjoying a significant drop in unemployment. Since January 2010, Oregon has added 46,000 jobs to an economy less than half the size of Georgia’s, while Georgia actually lost 2,600 jobs in that same time frame.
In fact, the Bureau of Labor statistics reported today that the Portland metropolitan area had enjoyed the nation’s single biggest one-year drop in unemployment (from 10.5 to 9 percent) while metro Atlanta, as we discussed earlier, experienced the greatest job loss of any metro region in the country.
– Jay Bookman
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Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:18 pm
“Whoa, im seeing double.”
Then lay off the sauce. It may make your posts a bit more coherent and logical (not to mention orthographical).
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
4:19 pm
Shovel Ready — “Then lay off the sauce. It may make your posts a bit more coherent and logical (not to mention orthographical).”
Since I don’t drink, perhaps *you* laying off the sauce would help.
DebbieDoRight
September 29th, 2011
4:20 pm
LOL! I know you revel in inanity, DRR, but don’t get all orgasmic on us.
Gotta get it from somewhere……
Joe COOL
September 29th, 2011
4:20 pm
DebbieDoRight
September 29th, 2011
4:14 pm
“THEY COMING FOR OUR WOMEN”
HDB
September 29th, 2011
4:21 pm
poison pen
September 29th, 2011
4:09 pm
Hootinanny Yum Yum
September 29th, 2011
4:09 pm
What too many fail to realize is that it’s not the GOVERNMENT that always the issue…it’s who CONTROLS the purse strings….and it’s NOT the government…but it’s the CORPORATION!!
Remember the “Golden Rule” – He who has the gold makes the rules!!
‘Pen, you think I have a totally negative opinion about white people; that’s the farthest from the truth….but too many white people have a negative opinion about ME!! That’s what I ALWAYS have to counter!!
Hooti — note how those constituents in NORTH Fulton want to break away fro Fulton….who is formulating the negaative opinion?? It’s CONTROL of the PURSE….not the RULE OF LAW!!
DebbieDoRight
September 29th, 2011
4:21 pm
Sorry. My dumbing down has affected my comprehension. What exactly does your one word sentance, “Word”, mean?
Short for Word Up.
Hope that helps.
Shawny
September 29th, 2011
4:22 pm
how did GA lose 2600 jobs and the unemployment rate go down 0.2? Did we lose population?
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:22 pm
“Since I don’t drink, perhaps *you* laying off the sauce would help.”
Denial is the first thing you’ll need to overcome. Put down the beer (or moonshine) and call some one. Can you see the numbers on the phone?
Jay
September 29th, 2011
4:22 pm
I dunno Jay. People always been living in freezing cold environs for 6,000 years now and it didn’t seem to bother them much then. And obviously that was well before we started burning fossil fuels and heating oil to keep homes, offices, and cars cozy and warm.
You see, Thulsa, that was before they invented this thing called air conditioning. Once summers down South became tolerable, it changed everything.
If we were to run another experiment, in this case abolishing air conditioning, how quickly do you think that migration pattern would reverse itself?
getalife
September 29th, 2011
4:23 pm
pp,
We are not in the same world.
I was talking about the internet bubble during Clinton’s good ole days.
I invested so watched it very closely.
We need to create 25 million jobs to beat Clinton and fund government.
How do you create 25 million jobs pp?
Hootinanny Yum Yum
September 29th, 2011
4:23 pm
Islam, a culture, religion and government based on peace.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/28/iranian-pastor-faces-execution-for-refusing-to-recant-christian-faith/
Joe COOL
September 29th, 2011
4:23 pm
-Census: Hispanics fuel US white population growth-
WASHINGTON (AP) — In a twist to notions of race identity, new 2010 census figures show an unexpected reason behind a renewed growth in the U.S. white population: more Hispanics listing themselves as white in the once-a-decade government count.
UH ohhhhh……. CRISIS!!!!!
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:23 pm
“Gotta get it from somewhere……”
From a mouse??? You’re strange fruit…
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
4:24 pm
Shawny — “how did GA lose 2600 jobs and the unemployment rate go down 0.2? Did we lose population?”
Either that or long-term unemployed people dropped off the unemployment rolls — or both.
Props to you for noticing that and putting it together.
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
4:25 pm
Shovel Ready — “Denial is the first thing you’ll need to overcome. Put down the beer (or moonshine)”
I don’t drink. Anything else you have to say is beside the point.
Do you have something substantive to add? If not, then have a nice day.
Jay
September 29th, 2011
4:25 pm
Righty — “It’s tough to fly in an out of there (Eugene).”
A total misconception. Ducks can fly on their own.
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:26 pm
“Short for Word Up.”
Wow…that helps (and explains) a lot. Are you a dip…I mean are you going to dip…now?
DebbieDoRight
September 29th, 2011
4:26 pm
From a mouse??? You’re strange fruit…
Well, not as strange as that guy who wanted to marry his dog on the other blog……
jm
September 29th, 2011
4:27 pm
Of course tax rates aren’t the only or even main driver of economic performance. They work at the margins. But they’re not irrelevant either.
When the corporate tax in the US is 35% and the rest of the world is more like 25% or less, then it makes a big difference.
Changing the rate from 35% to 34% would make hardly any difference. Drop it to 20% and it will have a substantial effect.
Likewise, education works the same way. An extra year of education may be of marginal benefit. But the differential between a non-high school graduate and a college graduate from performance and income and intellectual capital is light years apart and can do wonders for a local economy.
Thulsa Doom
September 29th, 2011
4:27 pm
Jay,
You were mumbling something about cold weather. Soooooo we have heating in our homes in the north and air conditioning in our homes in the south. Which basically cancels out weather. So all things being equal then why again is there an exodus from blue states to red states?
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:27 pm
“Do you have something substantive to add?”
LOL! You mean that’s a criterion for legitimate posts here??? Now I’m wondering how many of your would fail the test. Remember, denial must be overcome first of all.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 29th, 2011
4:28 pm
That is all subjective because it really depends on other expenditures that individual has. Some couples may make $200K+ but have less disposable income than a couple who make a combined $75K.
As one of the regular posters here would say, that is a matter of choice. You can choose to limit yourself to those expenditures if you choose to do so.
I think you have to look at what people consume of goverment goods and services and tax them accordingly.
That sounds like a proposal for a whole slew of new taxes. How would you determine who’s consuming/using more of roads, tv airwaves, and other government provided things that are not easy to measure?
Thulsa Doom
September 29th, 2011
4:29 pm
“Ducks can fly on their own”
They don’t fly very high against SEC defenses.
Mighty Righty
September 29th, 2011
4:29 pm
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
4:18 pm
That’s funny. I haven’t been there in several years. The airport is in a valley surrounded by hills. Fog would collect there when every place else was clear. FAA had a relatively high minimum ceiling which made it a gamble whether I would get into Eugene or have to divert to Portland. Flights never originated in Eugene so if the airport was closed, Eugene would be skipped which caused major problems.
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:30 pm
“Well, not as strange as that guy who wanted to marry his dog on the other blog……”
You don’t say?? And that interested you how?? You don’t….no….okay, let’s leave this thing alone.
DebbieDoRight
September 29th, 2011
4:30 pm
Well heading out folks — Have a great day and the following is for SoCoBro and his minions, (The Bamaocracy)
Way down in the Swamp (Sang like a military cadence)
Way down in the Swamp (2x)
I heard a mighty roar
It was the mighty, mighty, Gators
Using Bama like a toy
Well put your hand on the throttle
Put your foot on the gas
Move over chicken Bama
And let the Mighty Gators Pass!!
Roll Gators Roll!! Beat Bama!!
Final Score: Gators 99999 Bama – Left humiliated and defeated (Again).
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
4:30 pm
Doom — “Soooooo we have heating in our homes in the north and air conditioning in our homes in the south. Which basically cancels out weather. So all things being equal then why again is there an exodus from blue states to red states?”
It cancels out weather indoors, but not outdoors. My hillbilly relatives in the Appalachians sometimes express interest in moving down here — especially right after cold snowy winters.
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
4:31 pm
You have a nice day, Shovel Ready.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 29th, 2011
4:31 pm
Islam, a culture, religion and government based on peace.
And how is that any different from America? We execute people here all the time, some (Texas) way more than others.
jm
September 29th, 2011
4:31 pm
Also of note. Portland’s economy is obviously closely tied to Asia’s. Which perhaps makes Atlanta and Portland significantly less comparable than Jay might like to believe. Compare ATL to Charlotte. Or Tampa. Or Orlando.
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:32 pm
“You have a nice day, Shovel Ready.”
I would if I could only find a job.
getalife
September 29th, 2011
4:33 pm
LSU!
Nuff said.
pogo
September 29th, 2011
4:33 pm
Poison, did you notice that the #2 man at Tonopah Solar Energy is Pelosi’s son in law? Hmmmm.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 29th, 2011
4:33 pm
DDR
Yeah right… Last weekend, we served roasted hog. This weekend, Bama’s menu will consist of gator tail.
getalife
September 29th, 2011
4:33 pm
Oh and our starting quarterback is back.
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
4:34 pm
Righty — “The airport is in a valley surrounded by hills. Fog would collect there when every place else was clear. FAA had a relatively high minimum ceiling which made it a gamble whether I would get into Eugene or have to divert to Portland.”
My wife’s family lives on the coast, so flying in meant less fog, but nasty crosswinds. She’d take a puddlejumper prop job from PDX down the coast. A couple of times, she considered renting a car and driving to EUG to fly home rather than putting up with the turbulence.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 29th, 2011
4:34 pm
jm @ 4:31
And you don’t think KMMG (Kia Motors Manufacturing Group) doesn’t affect GA’s economy much? From Lagrange to Brunswick, Georgia has it’s own love affair going on with Asia.
Mighty Righty
September 29th, 2011
4:34 pm
Thulsa-I watched Boise State fly over the Dawgs and BYU fly over Mississippi. I didn’t get to see LSU /Oregon but I heard Oregon should have won! May get a rematch.
Thulsa Doom
September 29th, 2011
4:35 pm
Brocephus,
Have an interesting story for ya if you still keep up with things in Montgomery. I saw a story in the paper where 4 men were arrested for a shooting at Oak Park where a large number of people were hanging out in a reunion of formef trenholm courts projects residents before those projects were razed. 3 children and one adult were shot. Anyway 2 of the 4 men were out on bond for pending murder charges. One of them was a student of my sister in laws about a decade ago in the 5th grade at Dozier where I went to elementary school. Anyway, I remember her telling me years back about career day when one of her students shocked her by saying when he grew up he wanted to go to prison just like his dad. Sure enough he was one of the 2 out on bond for murder and shooting folks up again. Looks like he’ll get his wish.
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:36 pm
“And how is that any different from America? We execute people here all the time, some (Texas) way more than others.”
Or in serial killings, or in murder-suicides or in drive-by shootings. I think you are onto something.
getalife
September 29th, 2011
4:36 pm
LSU stomped a mud hole in Oregon’s candy ……..
Thulsa Doom
September 29th, 2011
4:38 pm
Mighty Righty,
LSU was up I think 40-13 at one point against Oregon. They got 1 or 2 consolation tds in garbage time to make the game appear close. But it really wasn’t. How someone thought Oregon should have won the game is mind boggling. Its like the libs who think that stimulus works long term.
Mighty Righty
September 29th, 2011
4:39 pm
Joe Mama-The coast is great from what I saw around Coos Bay. If I didn’t have business interest here I would seriously consider Oregon as a place to hang it up.
poison pen
September 29th, 2011
4:40 pm
getalife
pp,
We are not in the same world.
I was talking about the internet bubble during Clinton’s good ole days.
I invested so watched it very closely.
We need to create 25 million jobs to beat Clinton and fund government.
” How do you create 25 million jobs pp?”
Getalife, I wish thart I knew, in fact, I wish that Obama knew.
Thulsa Doom
September 29th, 2011
4:40 pm
Mighty Righty,
Also that win against Georgia made Boise I think only 1-5 against the SEC. The other 4 or 5 losses were all blowout losses to SEC teams. Besides we’re talking Georgia football. Georgia doesn’t exactly scare anyone.
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:40 pm
“I could easily say this: “I believe the current beliefs held and espoused by many in the White Republican community, as well as White Republican community leaders, are facilitating a culture that has a negative impact on social, economic and educational opportunities for Blacks and their communities.”
Yeah, so how come things haven’t changed much the past 50 years no matter who was in power? I know, I know…it’s da (Republican) man’s fault. Sounds right to me!
Hootinanny Yum Yum
September 29th, 2011
4:40 pm
“And how is that any different from America? We execute people here all the time, some (Texas) way more than others.”
I don’t know. Maybe when we in American start executing Rabbis or Imams for not renouncing their religion, I’d have to agree with you.
As far as capital punishment for ACTIONS such as rape and murder, I’m all for it. Should be swift, public and brutal. It’ll serve as a deterrent.
Capital punishment for BELIEFS, not so much.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 29th, 2011
4:41 pm
Doom
That’s sad. I haven’t looked at the Advertiser in a minute, but knowing trenholm court, that does not surprise me. Some of my Masonic brothers and I worked with a group from tulane court for a while, and it was sometimes downright depressing to hear what little positive hope some of those kids had. It was like they were never exposed to anything positive at all.
Yeah, he’s gonna get his wish, and knowing Alabama, he’s gonna be there for a while too.
TaxPayer
September 29th, 2011
4:41 pm
What’s this Occupy Wall Street thing. It sounds a lot better than that Tea Party movement.
Thulsa Doom
September 29th, 2011
4:43 pm
Debbiedoright,
Bama is 7-2 alltime against Florida in “the swamp”. Bama aint skeered. My prediction? Another brutal beatdown of the gators who have been outscored 63-19 the last 2 years by Bama. Roll Tide Roll!
out of the blue
September 29th, 2011
4:43 pm
Years ago we had a governor in Oregon who was a republican of the old school republicans Tom McCall. And he would place billboards in stategic spots where tourists would depart. It read “Come visit us again and again. This is a state of excitement. But for heaven’s sake, don’t come here to live!”
Some of his notably accomplishments were in the environmental sphere, including the country’s first “bottle bill”, the cleanup of the Willamette River, passage of a law to maintain former Gov. Oswald West’s legacy of public ownership of the state’s beaches, and the first statewide land-use planning system, which introduced the urban growth boundary around the state’s cities.
In 1968 Governor McCall created the Harbor Drive Task Force to come up with proposals to replace the riverfront freeway with a public space. A 37-acre (150,000 ) park was built in 1974, running along the Willamette River for the length of downtown Portland. Today it’s called Tom McCall riverfront park….And from my experience has had more then it’s fun filled fesivals (live music, lots of home crafted beers, and food from some of the most serious chefs in the world)
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:44 pm
“I don’t know. Maybe when we in American start executing Rabbis or Imams for not renouncing their religion, I’d have to agree with you.”
HHY, where is the double standard in that??? That obviously make no sense!!!
Mighty Righty
September 29th, 2011
4:44 pm
Thulsa-Hey be nice. Don’t compare anyone to a liberal who isn’t. That is a violation of some law of nature. It is slanderouse and may be libelous.
getalife
September 29th, 2011
4:46 pm
“Getalife, I wish thart I knew, in fact, I wish that Obama knew.”
We have done it before.
He is talking to the man that added 23 million jobs.
And balanced the budget.
If you get out of his way, they can do it again.
jm
September 29th, 2011
4:47 pm
“He is talking to the man that added 23 million jobs.”
linky?
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 29th, 2011
4:47 pm
I don’t know. Maybe when we in American start executing Rabbis or Imams for not renouncing their religion, I’d have to agree with you.
[...]
Capital punishment for BELIEFS, not so much.
You’re applying American beliefs to Iranian law. Things will never make sense to you that way. Here’s the point I was getting at. We use capital punishment for breaking laws. Some agree with it and others don’t, but that’s the way our justice system works. Iran, and many other Islamic countries, do not have the same religious freedoms we do. They go as far as to have a national religion and make it illegal to worship any other way.
As bad as it sounds for that guy, he broke the law in Iran. I don’t think it’s right to execute someone just for religion, but if it’s illegal to do so and punishable by death, then that’s the way their law is written. I would not live in any country, as a Christian, if the laws made it illegal for me to worship and was punishable by death. Look at Israel for example. All Israelis are not born in Israel. Many are Jews or descendants of Jews who moved to Israel and obtained citizenship. Christians in any country that does not recognize their religion should move somewhere to where they can worship in peace. Otherwise, they leave themselves subject to whatever laws are written against them.
out of the blue
September 29th, 2011
4:48 pm
So I guess in summing up my previous quote…..Oregon has visionary leadership versus the pathetical Georgia non leadership
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:50 pm
“Don’t compare anyone to a liberal who isn’t. That is a violation of some law of nature. It is slanderouse and may be libelous.”
I know I would sue. That is the “L” word for many (with the possible exception of some of the posters here, for which it means…well…I won’t go there) – an intolerable slight to one’s character.
Mighty Righty
September 29th, 2011
4:52 pm
Thulsa-The SEC West is where it’s at. Nick Saban is tough to beat. His dad was pretty good too.
getalife
September 29th, 2011
4:52 pm
jm,
Googley?
Granny Godzilla
September 29th, 2011
4:52 pm
Speaking of Occupy Wall street….
The NY Transit workers will be joining them tomorrow…
After the story about Officer Bologna, 100 cops joined….
This is not going away folks.
Have a pizza delivered to the protestors
Kamchak
September 29th, 2011
4:55 pm
Otherwise, they leave themselves subject to whatever laws are written against them.
But…but…but…we have to be afraid now, because sharia law is coming soon to a theater near YOU!
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:55 pm
“As bad as it sounds for that guy, he broke the law in Iran. I don’t think it’s right to execute someone just for religion, but if it’s illegal to do so and punishable by death, then that’s the way their law is written.”
Wow…the breadth of tolerance here is amazing given your stated intolerance of things in America. The way the law is written HERE is that some crimes are punishable by death – you know, like brutalizing, raping and the strangling a defenseless child. But for THAT, it’s all judgement from you. I guess you don’t see the discrepancy.
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:56 pm
“But…but…but…we have to be afraid now, because sharia law is coming soon to a theater near YOU!”
The only thing I fear is having to read more of your posts.
Marie
September 29th, 2011
4:56 pm
@Brosephus — some expenditures are a matter of choice but as they say life happens and often people can rack up debt due to the unexpected such as medical bills or natural disasters. You also have little control if the cost of heating your home, electricity, insurance, etc., goes up. My overall point is you cannot simply say that because an individual or a couple makes more money that they necessarily have more money to pay towards taxes. Their other obligations do not cease to exist because the federal government decides it needs more of their money.
And don’t get it twisted I am not advocating for a new tax based on what folks consume. But when folks start talking about who pays what and what is fair or not you should also consider who consumes what. If I were blessed to make $200k or more per year does not necessarily mean I should pay taxes above and beyond the current tax rate since I consume far fewer resources (food, water, electricity, roads, schools, etc.) than a couple who has a few kids.
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
4:57 pm
“This is not going away folks.”
It is sure to go the way of the dinosaurs….
Hootinanny Yum Yum
September 29th, 2011
4:58 pm
Brosephus™ – Browning America Since 1973,
Thank you. It’s all relative.
So, if the owning of slaves in one country is legal within it’s borders then it’s okay. You just wouldn’t want to live there if it were possible you could possibly be enslaved.
By the same token, the persecution, imprisonment, torture and genocide of Jews in German and German controlled territories leading up to and during WWII was okay, because, by the existing laws in the Third Reich, it was legal.
Okay, I’m clear now.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 29th, 2011
5:00 pm
the breadth of tolerance here is amazing given your stated intolerance of things in America.
Wha?? What intolerance in America did I say? You lost me there.
Jay
September 29th, 2011
5:01 pm
Well, Thulsa, I remember walking across campus at Penn State one cold, windy winter’s day when my eyes started watering and then my eyelashes froze together and I could barely open my eyes to see.
In other words, their winters are worse than our summers.
But hey, if you want to pretend to believe that weather isn’t the driving factor in such migrations, you go right ahead and (pretend to) think that.
Thulsa Doom
September 29th, 2011
5:01 pm
Brocephus,
Yep. Sad indeed but it also makes you wonder about the subculture they grow up in where it seems to be a badge of honor to go to prison. The kids she teaches are for the most part from Madison Park which is also a rough neighborhood and there are some real horror stories. Last time I talked to her about school she told me that a lot of her students know all about sex and a lot about oral. A lot of the girls are either pressured or forced into learning oral from brothers, abusive stepfathers or momma’s boyfriends, friends of brothers, etc. And these are 5th graders for Pete’s sake. On the one hand I feel bad for this kid that he grew up in such a messed up subculture but on the other hand I found it hard to feel sorry for someone who is out on bond for murder who then goes and shoots into a crowd and shoots 3 children. Hard to feel sorry for someone who just doesn’t give a damn about anything or anyone else.
Mighty Righty
September 29th, 2011
5:01 pm
Enter your comments here
Kamchak
September 29th, 2011
5:02 pm
…because, by the existing laws in the Third Reich, it was legal.
Another example proving the validity of Godwin’s Law.
The joke that never grows stale.
Hootinanny Yum Yum
September 29th, 2011
5:03 pm
Kamchak,
Thank you, Sport.
Hootinanny Yum Yum
September 29th, 2011
5:05 pm
Kammie,
Thank you. You brought so much to our dialogue. Just sayin’.
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
5:05 pm
“Thank you. It’s all relative. ”
See HYY, it’s not so hard to grasp. The one thing I keep stumbling over is that this relativity, this generosity of spirit, this sage understanding of human nature…well…it doesn’t appear to apply here – on this blog or in America at large. You know, every “system” seems to have its exceptions, so I guess I’m going to have to swallow that drink if I ever want to become librul.
MountainMan
September 29th, 2011
5:06 pm
Could this be the reason
Oregon:
White persons, percent, 2010 (a) 83.6%
Black persons, percent, 2010 (a) 1.8% %
Portland:
White persons, percent, 2000 (a) 77.9%
Black persons, percent, 2000 (a) 6.6%
Georgia:
White persons, percent, 2010 (a) 59.7%
Black persons, percent, 2010 (a) 30.5%
Atlanta:
White persons, percent, 2000 (a) 33.2%
Black persons, percent, 2000 (a) 61.4%
Since Black unemployement is somewehre around 16%, maybe the demographics of the cities is the reason, not taxes.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 29th, 2011
5:07 pm
Marie
I understand you a bit better then. I was misreading some of what you wrote. However, I don’t see a direct correlation between income level and consumption. If I made six figures, I would still live the way I live now. Things got a bit more expensive for my family after my daughter was born, but prior to that, my wife and I budgeted like we did when we first met. We still try to live as close to what we did before, even though we make more combined now. If I made $200k a year, I’d probably be able to save at least 40% of it because I’m cheap as hell and don’t like spending money. The consumption thing, for me, is all dependent upon choices.
HYY: Okay, I’m clear now.
Nope, you’re going way off on a tangent, strangling the crap out of that strawman you built. I can tell from your posts that you’re one of those who love going and telling other people how to live, but would have a Grand Mal if France, Egypt, or some other country came back trying to tell us how our laws should be. You make that very clear.
out of the blue
September 29th, 2011
5:07 pm
FAA had a relatively high minimum ceiling which made it a gamble whether I would get into Eugene or have to divert to Portland.
Mighty Righty what is a high minimum ceiling? If one has an ILS which all commercial planes do the landing (unless there is a violent shear notification, or the weather is so horrific) is a basic!
Hootinanny Yum Yum
September 29th, 2011
5:09 pm
I’m positing a new theorem. I’m going to call it UpChak’s Law.
The longer a Jay Bookman blog continues, the greater the probability Kamchak will invoke the use of “Sport” into the conversation.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 29th, 2011
5:09 pm
Doom: On the one hand I feel bad for this kid that he grew up in such a messed up subculture but on the other hand I found it hard to feel sorry for someone who is out on bond for murder who then goes and shoots into a crowd and shoots 3 children. Hard to feel sorry for someone who just doesn’t give a damn about anything or anyone else.
Amen brother, my thoughts exactly. I’m at a loss trying to figure out how to break that mentality. One on one, some of those kids are good, but when they’re around the group, it’s a lost cause.
Marie
September 29th, 2011
5:09 pm
@Brosephus, from what I have read about the Iranian Christian cleric case his conversion is not against the Constitutional law of the country. Instead a group of radical clerics have the power to impose their will on the people (in position they are similar to the SCOTUS). The lower courts will then rely on their rulings regardless of actual Iranian law.
On a personal note, as a Christian I really admire this cleric as he is willing to be executed instead of denouncing his faith.
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
5:10 pm
H. Yum Yum — “So, if the owning of slaves in one country is legal within it’s borders then it’s okay. You just wouldn’t want to live there if it were possible you could possibly be enslaved.”
I don’t think he’s saying it’s okay or anything like that. I think you’re misreading him and possibly willfully misrepresenting his position.
You can recognize that something’s legal without acceding to it, supporting it or even agreeing with it.
“By the same token, the persecution, imprisonment, torture and genocide of Jews in German and German controlled territories leading up to and during WWII was okay, because, by the existing laws in the Third Reich, it was legal. Okay, I’m clear now.”
Okay, now I’m pretty sure you’re willfully misrepresenting his position. Nobody here is defending the Nazis.
BTW, thanks for Godwinning the thread. That’s the second one of Jay’s discussions to get that treatment today.
Hootinanny Yum Yum
September 29th, 2011
5:11 pm
The only Mal I go to is Cumberland Mal.
Thulsa Doom
September 29th, 2011
5:11 pm
Jay,
I was just up at Pennsylvania this past weekend and it does indeed get cold and I asked several of my relatives about it since we were talking about how nice the weather was. They told me they liked the cooler weather and would rather put up with 2-3 months of harsh cold weather a year than 2-3 months of stifling heat and humidity. I remember talking to a family from Wisconsin that told me the same thing one time- that she just couldn’t understand how people could live in hot, sticky weather and that she thought it was nasty to be sweaty and sticky all the time.
Your and my opinions on the weather are anecdotal. But to sit there and say that the driving force behind migration is cold weather is nothing short of fantastical. Especially when at the same time many of you guys are saying the weather is getting anywhere from 3-10 degrees warmer overall and that the north pole will completely melt away. Apparently people are either unconvinced that they earth really is getting hotter or they lived in cold weather all their lives and then one day just up and decided they hate cold weather and decided to move south solely due to weather. Either reason strains credulity sir.
pogo
September 29th, 2011
5:14 pm
The bitterness and vitrol that is displayed here daily by both the host and his merry band of isolated shut-in liberals demonstrates the frustration they are feeling about what is coming next year. For two years (2009-2010) you controlled everything but yet, you did nothing. TWO YEARS! And next year the day of reckoning is coming. Americans can take liberalistic thought and policy, but only in small doses. But the liberals, every time they come to power, want to force feed our nation with their ideology whether the people want it or not. That is their undoing. They have become the
thing that originally they were supposed to abhor. Myself, I am liberal on certain things. On others I am conservative. Right now, the liberals seem to be the most intolerant group out there. They seem to subscribe to the thought that the government, not the individual, is the most capable of controlling our lives. That is totally wrong.
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
5:14 pm
What intolerance in America did I say? You lost me there.”
I gues I’m jus plan stupid, is all y’all. I waz thinkin that yo dreu some kind o liking betwixt Sariah law and us in this here statement:
“And how is that any different from America? We execute people here all the time, some (Texas) way more than others.”
Ya know, in yur own wurds u sed it ain’t ant no differnce betwixt a killing a persun for raping and murderin a child or fer no believin sumthin.
Hootinanny Yum Yum
September 29th, 2011
5:15 pm
“While falling foul of Godwin’s law tends to cause the individual making the comparison to lose their argument and/or credibility, Godwin’s law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent’s argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.[9] Similar criticisms of the “law” (or “at least the distorted version which purports to prohibit all comparisons to German crimes”) have been made by Glenn Greenwald.”
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
5:16 pm
OOTB — “If one has an ILS which all commercial planes do the landing (unless there is a violent shear notification, or the weather is so horrific) is a basic!”
The aircraft might be so equipped, but the *airport* might not be. I suspect that EUG might not have all the necessary bells and whistles to support a no-visibility landing. Is that the case, Righty?
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
5:18 pm
H. Yum Yum — “can be abused”
Can be abused =/= is being abused.
TaxPayer
September 29th, 2011
5:19 pm
The annual migration of northerners to Florida is likely working out well for the migrants during the recession. I imagine they have their pick of low cost accomodations.
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
5:20 pm
“The longer a Jay Bookman blog continues, the greater the probability Kamchak will invoke the use of “Sport” into the conversation.”
I think that would have to be proven empirically, sport. Kamchak is not only a fine contributor to this blog, sport, but his is also, sport, a first rate, sport, WoW toon, sport, name, sport.
Marie
September 29th, 2011
5:22 pm
@Brosephus, I am learning to be a bit more frugal but like many a women I do have a weakness for clothes and shoes. But hey the govt really doesn’t advocate frugality, now do they? They give tax breaks in the hopes that you will go out and spend it everyone. And although I wrote the govt should just keep refunds to pay down the debt or shore up SS; it will never happen. Why? The government knows that the average person will take that lump sum of money and spend it. Even if they use it to pay down existing debt that money is still being recycled back into the economy.as long as I have 13 yrs strong now the auto companies would go out of business.
TaxPayer
September 29th, 2011
5:24 pm
Ooh. The making of a sporting sport. My money would be on Kam if I were to be the type to participate in that gambling sport.
Kamchak
September 29th, 2011
5:25 pm
For two years (2009-2010) you controlled everything…
I see that someone needs a refresher course on civics.
getalife
September 29th, 2011
5:28 pm
pogo is debating himself about being a con.
Too funny.
Jay
September 29th, 2011
5:28 pm
OK, sports. Fresh sheets.
Hootinanny Yum Yum
September 29th, 2011
5:29 pm
Jay,
How about clearing my comment from moderation. The context in which I use the offending terms is not demeaning.
Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales
September 29th, 2011
5:29 pm
““While falling foul of Godwin’s law tends to cause the individual making the comparison to lose their argument and/or credibility, Godwin’s law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent’s argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.”
I don’t get it, HYY…you’re not saying posters here actually, distract or divert, attempt to censor or miscast an opponent’s argument? To quote one of my heroes here: “Well, I nevah…” This is too much to bear…
September 29th, 2011
5:32 pm
“I see that someone needs a refresher course on civics.”
Yes, you do.
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
5:33 pm
Oooo, The Shadow Knows.
Or thinks he/she does.