Early returns are in for Ga.-Oregon economic test case

Back in January 2010, I proposed an imperfect if interesting little test.

The states of Oregon and Georgia, I noted, had a lot in common economically.

“… median household incomes in Georgia ($50,861) and Oregon ($50,169) are quite similar. They start from a similar base on taxes as well, since Oregon voters have a tradition of fiscal conservatism equal to that of Georgia. In 2005, Oregon ranked 41st in per capita state taxes ($1,791) while Georgia ranked 42nd ($1,726), according to the Census Bureau.”

However, the two states were taking quite different approaches to the economic challenges of the recession. While Oregon, like most states, had already been forced to slash its budget, voters in that state had also just approved ballot measures that increased taxes on businesses and on households with incomes higher than $250,000. The new revenue allowed Oregon to close its remaining budget gap of $727 million and fend off further cuts in education and other public services.

Georgia, of course, was taking the opposite tack. Not only was its leadership refusing to consider tax hikes of any kind, they were insisting that additional tax cuts were needed to make the state more attractive to business.

So which course of action would prove more effective? While it’s still too soon to declare a definitive winner, we do have some early data to consider.

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Just to be clear, I’m not arguing that the difference in tax strategies caused the difference in outcomes. Quite the opposite. I’m arguing against the prevalent foolishness that tax strategies exert some powerful, determinative influence on economies that in fact are enormously complicated and subject to all kinds of feedback loops, outside influences and sheer random chance.

In this case, Oregon was able to keep teachers in the classroom and cops on the job while also enjoying a significant drop in unemployment. Since January 2010, Oregon has added 46,000 jobs to an economy less than half the size of Georgia’s, while Georgia actually lost 2,600 jobs in that same time frame.

In fact, the Bureau of Labor statistics reported today that the Portland metropolitan area had enjoyed the nation’s single biggest one-year drop in unemployment (from 10.5 to 9 percent) while metro Atlanta, as we discussed earlier, experienced the greatest job loss of any metro region in the country.

– Jay Bookman

206 comments Add your comment

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:59 pm

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:59 pm

FIRST!!!!

Sorry, out of the blue…can’t help myself.

Logical Dude

September 29th, 2011
3:00 pm

Charts!

I mean, just one chart.

Logical Dude

September 29th, 2011
3:02 pm

Quoting: “Just to be clear, I’m not arguing. . . ”

You know, whenever I read anything with “Just to be clear” I am already suspicious of the next line. :)

moonbat betty

September 29th, 2011
3:02 pm

Raise taxes on the wealthy!

That’ll fix it!

Have you seen how much it costs to live in a shoe box in OR?

Jay

September 29th, 2011
3:02 pm

Maybe I should do a chart of all the charts I do in a year. A meta-chart, so to speak.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
3:02 pm

Umbrellas up liberals!

Heads about to explode.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
3:04 pm

Me too, Logical.

stands for decibels

September 29th, 2011
3:07 pm

There you go again, Jay, hoping that GA manages to hold its own in terms of employing its citizenry…

Such crazy, out-of-the-mainstream stuff.

out of the blue

September 29th, 2011
3:10 pm

Bosch….Why don’t you just rub salt into my already bruised ego?

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
3:10 pm

“Just to be clear, I’m not arguing that the difference in tax strategies caused the difference in outcomes.”

It actually sounds like you’re arguing just that. Why would mention taxes for a paragraphs before if you weren’t arguing that? I’m not arguing either way…just stating the obvious.

Charts and Graphs

September 29th, 2011
3:10 pm

…..keep the statistics rolling in….unbelievable….GEORGIA we have a problem….

Misty Fyed

September 29th, 2011
3:13 pm

You know…It’s not that I or others like me oppose tax increases. It just always amazes me that democrats primarily support tax increases for other people. Why not an accross the board increase? Why limit it to only people who make more money?

By what standard is it one demographic’s responsibility to shoulder the burden of righting this economy?

Doggone/GA

September 29th, 2011
3:13 pm

“Just to be clear, I’m not arguing that the difference in tax strategies caused the difference in outcomes.”

Because you don’t have to? The data is doing it for you?

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
3:15 pm

Misty

“By what standard is it one demographic’s responsibility to shoulder the burden of righting this economy?”

The same standard that allowed them to profit greatly from wronging this economy.

Ryder

September 29th, 2011
3:16 pm

Misty Fyed

September 29th, 2011
3:13 pm
You know…It’s not that I or others like me oppose tax increases. It just always amazes me that democrats primarily support tax increases for other people. Why not an accross the board increase? Why limit it to only people who make more money? By what standard is it one demographic’s responsibility to shoulder the burden of righting this economy?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but we don’t support taxes on others. We support taxes on those that can afford it (which includes myself). So as the Goggle guy asked, when are we going to raise my taxes?

Jay

September 29th, 2011
3:16 pm

Misty, I think that’s a legitimate point.

However, in a political environment in which the GOP fights ALL tax increases no matter what, it’s crazy to even attempt such a thing.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
3:17 pm

Georgia Republicans are pro-business and pro-jobs.

As long as those businesses and jobs are in Communist China, India, Singapore and the Philippines…

Joe COOL

September 29th, 2011
3:19 pm

GOP: ” You can touch my wife, but not my TAXES”

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
3:21 pm

Conservativism can’t just be overcome, it will have to be smashed to a pulp, world-wide, for the workers of the world to have a chance to reclaim their destiny.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
3:24 pm

Portland also has a great transportation infrastructure and a great living environment. All part and parcel of that “powerful, determinative influence on economies “.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
3:25 pm

My wife’s from Oregon. She went to school there and her parents still live in rural OR.

I’ll have to bring her attention to this thread; I’m sure she’ll have something to say.

Maj. Mudloaf

September 29th, 2011
3:25 pm

But I’ve heard on the radio that the states with the lowest taxes have the strongest economies – like Texas, Florida and Nevada.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
3:29 pm

Misty — “Why not an accross the board increase? Why limit it to only people who make more money?”

I don’t have a problem with across the board tax increases — provided that the poorest are left out of it. People who are in poverty and struggling to eat or keep a roof over their heads shouldn’t be leaned on harder by the taxman.

“By what standard is it one demographic’s responsibility to shoulder the burden of righting this economy?”

When that demographic has been prospering out of all proportion to the rest of society over the last 20 years, then that demographic can pony up to help address some of our problems. They had no problem with getting fatter than others when times were good. Now that we’re having problems, it’s only right that they *suffer* a bit more than everyone else, too.

stands for decibels

September 29th, 2011
3:30 pm

Have you seen how much it costs to live in a shoe box in OR?

Shoebox?

Just for laughs, I went over to Zillow, and looked at what 150K-250K gets you in Beaverton, OR–that’s a short distance from Portland, accessible via rail, etc.

Hardly shoeboxes.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
3:39 pm

White persons, percent, 2010 (a) 83.6% 72.4%
Black persons, percent definition and source info Black persons, percent, 2010 (a) 1.8% 12.6%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent definition and source info American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2010 (a) 1.4% 0.9%
Asian persons, percent definition and source info Asian persons, percent, 2010 (a) 3.7%

out of the blue

September 29th, 2011
3:42 pm

Fight…Joe Mama, I’m a native Oregonian (born and raised in Portland) and when I return there I always note how progressive they are, and you don’t hear the wailing of the taxpayers over there rail system. or new funding for this and that. The populous understands the needs and demands of this growing beautiful state!

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
3:42 pm

I have spent a lot of time in Eugene, Oregon where day laborers have have batchelors’ degree. I have also spent some time in Portland. There is simply no way to compare Oregon in general or Portland in particular with Georgia or Atlanta. Eugene, Oregon literally washes their side walks every night. There are no cans bottles or trash on roadsides. A private party cannot cut down a tree in their own yard without a permit and pay a fee which will plant more trees. You can walk down the street in either Eugene or Portland at 3:00 A.M. and be perfectly safe. I don’t know why their unemployment rate would be lower particularly when a major source of revenue is forrest products, but comparing Oregon to Georgia simply doesn’t make any sense. Oregon is a very liberal state and in spite of that drawback I wouldn’t mind at all living there.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
3:43 pm

cons are clinging to a failed ideology.

We are still fighting their collapse and they want to finish off our country.

stands for decibels

September 29th, 2011
3:44 pm

Hooti, yep, OR’s racial composition is roughly reflective of the nation at large.

& your point is?

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
3:45 pm

Sorry, pushed the wrong key. In any case, keeping with my ignorant, racist bigoted viewpoint.

Please look at the demographic census data from Oregon and Georgia. Guess this couldn’t have anything to do with unemployment rates.

Oregon
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/41000.html

Georgia
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13000.html

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
3:47 pm

I have spent a lot of time in Eugene, Oregon where day laborers have have batchelors’ degree…

Do they know how to spell Bachelor’s ?

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
3:47 pm

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Energy Department on Wednesday approved two loan guarantees worth more than $1 billion for solar energy projects in Nevada and Arizona, two days before the expiration date of a program that has become a rallying cry for Republican critics of the Obama administration’s green energy program.

Energy Secretary Steven Chu said the department has completed a $737 million loan guarantee to Tonopah Solar Energy for a 110 megawatt solar tower on federal land near Tonopah, Nev., and a $337 million guarantee for Mesquite Solar 1 to develop a 150 megawatt solar plant near Phoenix

Mr Chu said that the Nevada project will create 52 permanent jobs, not bad for only $737 Million Dollars.

I think if we spend 9 thousand Trillion dollars we could get the unemployment down to 3%.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
3:47 pm

Yes, SFD, Oregon’s racial composition is roughly reflective of the nation at large. However, Georgia is not.

stands for decibels

September 29th, 2011
3:47 pm

Still waiting for a point there, Hooti.

Come on. Use words.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
3:47 pm

blue, definitely it is incredible in its beauty and its nature.

Hmmmm… someone is slipping…. all that talk about the evil socialists liberal west coast state….and then “in spite of that drawback I wouldn’t mind at all living there”…. There is good inside you Darth V…step away from the dark side.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

September 29th, 2011
3:49 pm

Jay

I wonder if that uber-liberal, hippy-style living that’s reportedly running rampant in the Northwest have anything to do with it. :)

It just always amazes me that democrats primarily support tax increases for other people.

And it just amazes me that some conservatives fail to grasp that there are Democrats in the same income brackets that would see increases in taxes. Also, there are Democrats who wanted to let Bush’s tax sale expire completely as designed in 2010.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
3:50 pm

I guess it just comes for Whitey keeping the Black man down. But, who is keeping the Black man down in Atlanta, South Fulton, Clayton and DeKalb counties.

And, for the person who responded to me earlier regarding Kasim Reed. I too, believe he is one of the best things to happen to Atlanta in a long time.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
3:51 pm

pp,

He is trying to wean us off of oil addict.

Green jobs.

Helps our planet for future children.

The blind stupidity to oppose this action is ridiculous.

Wake up.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

September 29th, 2011
3:52 pm

Please look at the demographic census data from Oregon and Georgia. Guess this couldn’t have anything to do with unemployment rates.

Only if it’s true that corporate America is indeed trying to keep from hiring Blacks. Otherwise, it wouldn’t have anything to do with it.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
3:53 pm

” Also, there are Democrats who wanted to let Bush’s tax sale expire completely as designed in 2010.”

SoCoBroBrown, True, but the President wasn’t one of them.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
3:53 pm

Oooo Oooo Joe cool I have one too:

“You can raise my taxes, when you can take this rifle out of my cold dead hands..”

out of the blue

September 29th, 2011
3:53 pm

Mighty….Gol Durn man … You and I agree on something! I graduated from the U of O, spent a lot of time at the pubs in Eugene and Springfield!

getalife

September 29th, 2011
3:53 pm

Btw pp,

Thousands of internet start ups failed.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
3:54 pm

Righty — “I don’t know why their unemployment rate would be lower particularly when a major source of revenue is forrest products”

My wife says that logging/forest products jobs are very cyclical, and that they seem to track with the health of the construction industry. I’ve told her about this thread, so she might drop by tonight.

“but comparing Oregon to Georgia simply doesn’t make any sense. Oregon is a very liberal state and in spite of that drawback I wouldn’t mind at all living there.”

Wife says not so. Portland, Eugene, Salem (state capital) and Corvallis (OSU) are pretty lefty, she says, but the rest of the state is pretty conservative. Maybe someone can find a red-blue map of OR’s voting districts.

BTW, the wife wanted me to say that in OR, voters have the power to force ballot initiatives. If you can get enough registered voters to sign a petition for something, you can *force* that issue onto the ballot and potentially make it law.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

September 29th, 2011
3:54 pm

True, but the President wasn’t one of them.

Also true, but the President only signs legislation. He doesn’t write it. ;)

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
3:54 pm

Maybe all the people left Oregon to move to Georgia for job opportunities. That’s why you see a drop in their numbers and a rise in ours. Okay, I’m just kidding with that. However, I have had people try to sell me on that theory on these very same boards. Perhaps a more simplistic answer would be that Oregon is more effectively governed than Georgia.

St Simons - we're on Island time

September 29th, 2011
3:54 pm

“Con-ism can’t just be overcome, it will have to be smashed to a pulp, world-wide, for the workers of the world to have a chance…”

Yes mon. An American Spring is coming.
Cons will emigrate to Somalia.
and every little ting, gonna be alright…

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
3:55 pm

Getalife, How dumb can you get, at what price do we pay for green jobs?

Dems hate America

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
3:55 pm

I guess it just comes for Whitey keeping the Black man down. But, who is keeping the Black man down in Atlanta, South Fulton, Clayton and DeKalb counties.

Ooooo Ooooo I have another one:

Whitey, (In Oregon), keeping the black man down by shipping him to Fulton, Dekalb & Clayton Counties. Recognize.

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
3:56 pm

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
3:47 pm

Yes they do and they also know a space does not belong between the last word in a sentence and the sentence ending punctuation mark.

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
3:57 pm

Looking at 2 states, one blue and one red, doesn’t really tell us a whole lot. We could probably just as easily find 2 similar states in size such as blue Cali and red Texas which similarly to Oregon and Georgia do the opposite in terms of taxation. And economically Texas and Cali are miles apart in economic performance of late in favor of red state Texas.

Probably the best indicator of economic health is to look and see how people are voting with their feet. And their feet are stating that in general the population shift is from the blue states to the red states as backed up by census bureau stats. just the facts ma’am.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
3:57 pm

SFD,

I can lead you to water; but I can’t make you drink. Okay. I believe the current beliefs held and espoused by many in the Black community, as well as Black community leaders, are facilitating a culture that has a negative impact on social, economic and educational opportunities for Blacks and their communities.

Okay, back to labeling me a ignorant, bigoted racist.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
3:58 pm

Joe Mama…. if your wife drops in is she Hot Mama? Or Joe Better Mind Mama? :P :D

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
3:58 pm

Misty Fyed:

It just always amazes me that democrats primarily support tax increases for other people.

And it amazes me that Republicans primarily nay, EXCLUSIVELY! support tax increases that transfer income from the middle class and workers to the wealthy.

By what standard is it one demographic’s responsibility to shoulder the burden of righting this economy?

Easy. By the standard that says that those who benefit disproproportionately from the labor of the middle classes and workers need to return that wealth to those who produced, and ESPECIALLY when that very wealth inequality is the DIRECT cause of the economic crisis afflicting the nation.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
3:59 pm

pp,

cons are always dragged into change.

You will kick and scream but we have electric cars and green energy creates jobs and saves our planet.

We are going there with or without you cons.

stands for decibels

September 29th, 2011
4:00 pm

Okay, back to labeling me a ignorant, bigoted racist.

Hypersensitive much?

moonbat betty

September 29th, 2011
4:01 pm

sfd:

On a quick look at shoe boxes in Beaverton, the first one I saw listed at $136,000 – I thought, hmm that ain’t too bad…

Until I saw that it had been listed at 650,000 in 2010 and was “zestimated” at between $2M and $3M.

So maybe it is more affordable now…

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
4:01 pm

getalife

Btw pp,

” Thousands of internet start ups failed.”

Getalife, There are businesses that fail everyday, if they all succeded everyone would be rich.

We need industry to survive in this World, not blogs or a lot of internet business. We can’t make it on just being a service society.

Please look at China and some other countries that are doing well, they aren’t making it on the internet. I know this is pretty deep for you, but at least try.

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
4:01 pm

“Mr Chu said that the Nevada project will create 52 permanent jobs, not bad for only $737 Million Dollars.

I think if we spend 9 thousand Trillion dollars we could get the unemployment down to 3%.” -poison pen

poison pen,

No doubt about it. Stimulus works. I propose a 10 gazillion dollar stimulus to bring unemployment to zero. We’ll pay for it 6,000 generations down the line.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
4:02 pm

Sorry, pushed the wrong key. In any case, keeping with my ignorant, racist bigoted viewpoint.

Ooo Oooo I have one for that too:

Hoooty – Making ignorant racist bigoted viewpoints since 1949!!

pp: Dems hate America

Ooooo got one for that too:

“Freaking DEMS!! They’ve been dying for the America they hate in every American War!!!”

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
4:02 pm

“Only if it’s true that corporate America is indeed trying to keep from hiring Blacks. Otherwise, it wouldn’t have anything to do with it.”

Only if it’s true that corporate America is indeed trying to employ the most qualified persons, without regard to race, color, creed, sex or national origin.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
4:03 pm

Thulsa, you wouldn’t happen to think that three feet of snow and wind chill factors of -20 have anything to do with that, do you?

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
4:04 pm

Getalife, There a Hundreds of gas driven cars on our roads and about 20 Electric cars, get the picture?

Never mind, I’ll go outside and explain it to my rocks.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 29th, 2011
4:04 pm

Well, I sure am glad to get away from reading them long lists of preverts from each party.

Now I don’t know much about Oregon, seeing as how I don’t travel overseas. But I do know that raising taxes on the Job Creators just to keep pouring money into useless schools is pretty silly. If education was that important we wouldn’t have all these super-successful bloggers on here. Just look at what they write. They can’t spell or think good and half the time they can’t even make out what somebody else has said.

But they got lots of solutions to all our problems. They can read about some problem and right on the spot they can come up with a fix. That tells you that whatever made them successful, it wasn’t schools. And I don’t like to brag, because I never made it out of the 5th grade, but I done pretty good without alot of schooling.

So if you don’t like what’s here in Georgia, just go ahead and move to Oregon. Me, I’m happy to be a American and I’ll stay right here.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

September 29th, 2011
4:04 pm

Whitey, (In Oregon), keeping the black man down by shipping him to Fulton, Dekalb & Clayton Counties. Recognize.

That is just sooooooo wrong… :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QhuBIkPXn0

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
4:04 pm

out of the blue

September 29th, 2011
3:53 pm

Eugene is one of the best little towns in the U.S. to live in in my opinion. Weather could use some help. It’s tough to fly in an out of there. Go Ducks.

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
4:04 pm

Mighty: “Yes they do and they also know a space does not belong between the last word in a sentence and the sentence ending punctuation mark.”

Not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou. :)

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
4:04 pm

Poison Pen

“True, but the President wasn’t one of them”

Actually he was and is one of them.

He negotiated the tax cut extension in order to get additional
unemployment benefits for Americans.

It was all over the news, all over this blog….

You can still google it.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
4:04 pm

Hoot, I think he forgot about the EEOC.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
4:05 pm

Please look at China and some other countries that are doing well, they aren’t making it on the internet

“Go East Young Man!! Look To China To show you the way to stifle free speech, kill the environment with impurities, and poison their own populace, (Who’d better not say anything ’cause they’ll get run over by tanks if they do) Viva Comrade China!!”

HDB

September 29th, 2011
4:05 pm

Hootinanny Yum Yum
September 29th, 2011
3:57 pm

The actions of the FEW do NOT indicate the actions of the MANY!!

I could easily say this: “I believe the current beliefs held and espoused by many in the White Republican community, as well as White Republican community leaders, are facilitating a culture that has a negative impact on social, economic and educational opportunities for Blacks and their communities.”

You’d label me a bigot…..but from a certain perspective, I could be right!! What say you???

theyeshaveit

September 29th, 2011
4:05 pm

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
4:06 pm

DDR – Actually, been around since 1959.

SFD – Hypersensitive? Yes, as a matter of fact I am. It stems from PTSD and depressive anxiety disorder.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

September 29th, 2011
4:06 pm

Only if it’s true that corporate America is indeed trying to employ the most qualified persons, without regard to race, color, creed, sex or national origin.

Judging by the volume of H1B’s, L1’s and other work visas, we know that’s not true. Or maybe it is true with the hitch that they accept the lowest pay possible.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
4:06 pm

Redneck, That was funny.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
4:09 pm

HDB, I say you needed to live in Detroit for the past 20 years and you may just feel different about White people. They are the only people who tried to help the Black folks living there, Kwame sure as hell didn’t care.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
4:09 pm

Keep Up — “Joe Mama…. if your wife drops in is she Hot Mama? Or Joe Better Mind Mama?”

So far as I know, she’s only posted on Jay’s blog once, on a day when I wasn’t posting here. She didn’t use either of those names. :)

I’m not going to say what name she used; if she wants to identify herself when/if she posts here this evening, that’ll be her choice to make.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
4:09 pm

HDB, you could be right.

What about Clayton, DeKalb, and South Fulton counties? Are those governments run by White Republicans?

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
4:10 pm

Oh ok. sorry.

“Hooty – Dumbing Down Americans Since 1959. Word.”

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
4:13 pm

Righty — “It’s tough to fly in an out of there.”

Last time I checked, you could fly United (and it was jet service all the way) ATL-DEN-EUG. Did that change?

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
4:13 pm

DebbieDoRight

” Please look at China and some other countries that are doing well, they aren’t making it on the internet”

“Go East Young Man!! Look To China To show you the way to stifle free speech, kill the environment with impurities, and poison their own populace, (Who’d better not say anything ’cause they’ll get run over by tanks if they do) Viva Comrade China!!”

Debbie, And our govt. never experimented on Blacks, and they never brought slaves here, and they never experimented with LSD on our soldiers, anad they never locked up American Japanese in camps.

Learn History sport.

Thulsa Doom

September 29th, 2011
4:13 pm

Jay

September 29th, 2011
4:03 pm
Thulsa, you wouldn’t happen to think that three feet of snow and wind chill factors of -20 have anything to do with that, do you?

Jay,

I dunno Jay. People always been living in freezing cold environs for 6,000 years now and it didn’t seem to bother them much then. And obviously that was well before we started burning fossil fuels and heating oil to keep homes, offices, and cars cozy and warm.

And besides why would anyone move to the sunbelt states when this global warming thingie says that we’re going to be sizzling like bacon on a griddle pretty soon? Right?

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
4:13 pm

Righty — “It’s tough to fly in an out of there.”

Last time I checked, you could fly United (and it was jet service all the way) ATL-DEN-EUG. Did that change?

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
4:13 pm

Righty — “It’s tough to fly in an out of there.”

Last time I checked, you could fly United (and it was jet service all the way) ATL-DEN-EUG. Did that change?

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
4:13 pm

I have no problem with ” efficient,green energy” if there was such a thiing. My prediction is that windmills, solar energy and battery powered cars will be fondly remembered along with fall out shelters, hula hoops, and LP’s.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
4:14 pm

What about Clayton, DeKalb, and South Fulton counties? Are those governments run by White Republicans?

Gwinnett, Appling, BAker – Just a few counties ran by the White Republicanistas Cartels!!! Watch your money yo!

OR

Clayton, DeKalb, and South Fulton – The only 3 counties in Georgia not ran by White Republicans. Watch your women yo!

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
4:14 pm

whoa, im seeing double :D

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
4:14 pm

Joe-I am talking about the weather. The alternate is Portland.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
4:14 pm

DDR,

Sorry. My dumbing down has affected my comprehension. What exactly does your one word sentance, “Word”, mean?

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
4:15 pm

Have a good evening.

JohnnyReb

September 29th, 2011
4:15 pm

“By the standard that says that those who benefit disproproportionately from the labor of the middle classes and workers need to return that wealth to those who produced, and ESPECIALLY when that very wealth inequality is the DIRECT cause of the economic crisis afflicting the nation.”

I have read some crap on this thread, and posted some too, but the above takes the cake! I would suggest an “attitude adjustment,” but that is not PC.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

September 29th, 2011
4:16 pm

What about Clayton, DeKalb, and South Fulton counties?

Clayton… No
Dekalb… No
South Fulton… Doesn’t exist

I love how conservatives here love to whip out Clayton, Dekalb, and Fulton County when they want to talk about corruption. They somehow seem to skip over the stuff going on in Cobb, Gwinnett, and Hall counties from time to time. I guess it’s easier to point out the errors of others as opposed to calling them on your own people. Human nature is so fun to observe.

out of the blue

September 29th, 2011
4:16 pm

Joe mama….”Wife says not so. Portland, Eugene, Salem (state capital) and Corvallis (OSU) are pretty lefty, she says, but the rest of the state is pretty conservative. Maybe someone can find a red-blue map of OR’s voting districts.

Joe is all you have to do is notice the cities that your wife states are liberal…They are all western cities in Oregon. As you go east it becomes rodeo country (Pendelton) then vast ranches, farming Kinda like Wyoming where everyone is painted red…..

But, fortunately the cities have more liberal voters then the republican cowboys, and farmers!

Gator Joe

September 29th, 2011
4:16 pm

Jay,
How can you compare GA with a state where the citizens are willing to support their schools and emergency services by taxing themselves. Here, as in many, perhaps most, southern states, ignorance is cool. The Republicans take pride in cutting the budgets for public schools. As with the ill-conceived, misguided immigration legislation, Georgia’s failure to properly fund education has, and will have unintended negative consequences.

Shovel Ready Jobs and Other Tales

September 29th, 2011
4:16 pm

“Ooooo Ooooo I have another one:”

LOL! I know you revel in inanity, DRR, but don’t get all orgasmic on us.

Jefferson

September 29th, 2011
4:17 pm

It is just a big lie that high income people create jobs. Flat out.

Marie

September 29th, 2011
4:17 pm

Jay instead of tax increases what if the federal and state government just stop giving refunds on taxes citizens have already paid. Whatever you paid at the end of the year you have paid. You still complete your tax return and if you owe you dutifully send it the amount you owe. But like Mysty, I think it is unfair to keep reaching into the pockets of one segment of our society just because someone said they should pay more.

That is all subjective because it really depends on other expenditures that individual has. Some couples may make $200K+ but have less disposable income than a couple who make a combined $75K. I think you have to look at what people consume of goverment goods and services and tax them accordingly. As a single, single (meaning I have no hubby or kids) I consume far, far less than let’s say a family of four (2 adults w/ 2 kids). Yet depending on their income the tax liability for that family can be completely wiped out and in some instances they end up receiving back a surplus of what they paid in federal income taxes.

End refunds — you pay and go away.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
4:17 pm

Debbie, And our govt. never experimented on Blacks, and they never brought slaves here, and they never experimented with LSD on our soldiers, anad they never locked up American Japanese in camps.

P.P — Communist Sympathizer Since 1969! Word Up Comie!

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
4:18 pm

Righty — “The alternate is Portland.”

PDX used to have a reputation for enthusiastic immigration officials. I heard it referred to as “Deportland” more than a few times. :)