Atlanta’s great collapse — and no, it’s not the Braves

I hate to bring this up on the morning after the Braves completed their monumental collapse, but ….

From Dan Chapman at the AJC:

“The Atlanta region lost more jobs the last year than any other metro area, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Wednesday, further evidence that the post-recessionary slump here shows little sign of abating.

Metro Atlanta shed 30,800 jobs since August 2010. Kansas City — 12,800 positions erased — was the closest competitor in job-losses. Nearly all of Atlanta’s peer metro areas added at least some jobs amid the slow economic recovery.”

… “Out of almost 400 metropolitan areas, we’re dead last and nobody is competing with us for that distinction,” said Chris Cunningham, a BLS statistician in Atlanta. “It’s pretty bad and it has been the same story for the last two, three years.”

I don’t get it.

You mean that a strategy of cutting taxes lower and lower, of refusing to spend money to modernize the transportation system that made you prosperous in the first place, of slashing state support for k-12 and higher education year after year, of kowtowing to developers and other businesses at the expense of quality of life for those who actually live here, of largely ignoring the needs of your state’s largest metro area — you mean that doesn’t work?

After all that, this is what we get?

– Jay Bookman

709 comments Add your comment

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
8:14 am

Hey, don’t forget the 15 billion allotted by the “evil” and “incompetent” government that the state has been slurrping up.

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
8:14 am

Oh, FIRST!:)

TaxPayer

September 29th, 2011
8:17 am

It takes time for that Republican philosophy to start showing some positive results. :lol:

Logic 88

September 29th, 2011
8:17 am

More change we can believe in…

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
8:18 am

We’re Number Last!

We’re Number Last!

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
8:19 am

(Do they make a giant foam finger for “we’re number last”? And what would it look like?)

Steve - USA

September 29th, 2011
8:21 am

Maybe you should stop electing Democratic Mayors.

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
8:21 am

Logic 88 – “More change we can believe in…

Wow, only 5 posts in and already an Obamaism that is completely unrelated to the topic. nicely done Logic **.

Mick

September 29th, 2011
8:21 am

Howdy you’ll, from your kissin cousins down here in florida. The dolphins and hurricanes are real stinkers this year, so we have that in common, plus a republican legislature and the worst gov. in the US, rick “the disaster” scott. His campaign slogan was that he would create 700k new jobs, but unfortunately he’s losing more than ever. He has been helped in that many of the unemployed have given up and are no longer counted in the stats. Yes, florida, georgia, alabama, mississippi are all charter members of gooberstan, we all vote republican and keeping sliding further downhill for the effort…

carlosgvv

September 29th, 2011
8:21 am

The Republican Party is totally dedicated to the wants, needs and wishes of Big Business and cares little, if any, for the needs of the people. Through clever progaganda tactics, they have managed to fool the majority of their electorate into thinking that the enemy is big Govt.and Obama in particular. Since Georgia is usually last on the list when it comes to what is good for the people, don’t be supprised that Georgia’s Republican voters are especially gullible and will believe anything their politicians tell them. Don’t look for Republican supporters, especially in Georgia, to get any smarter in the foreseeable future.

Don't Tread

September 29th, 2011
8:22 am

Yeah, none of that stuff you mentioned creates jobs. But tax hikes do!

Thought I’d get that out of the way early.

Mudfoot

September 29th, 2011
8:23 am

Ah the benefits of the stellar stewardship of our republican leaders. Let us bask in the glory and piles of money that will soon drop at everyone’s doorstep.

Seriously, the scary part is the fact that we as a region/state will undoubtedly continue along this path since we voters will indeed “stay the course”.

St Simons - we're on Island time

September 29th, 2011
8:24 am

well mon, we just need to sprinkle some more of that supply side jesus free market glorah on it, and the entrepeneurial spirit will just trickle down on all of us, dontcha know.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
8:24 am

“You mean that a strategy of cutting taxes lower and lower, of refusing to spend money to modernize the transportation system that made you prosperous in the first place, of slashing state support for k-12 and higher education year after year, of kowtowing to developers and other businesses at the expense of quality of life for those who actually live here, of largely ignoring the needs of your state’s largest metro area — you mean that doesn’t work?”

Before one asks this question or jumps to the conclusion you have, Jay, it might be appropriate to have some analysis of this trend. What kind of jobs have been lost and why? Construction? Manufacturing? Service? Financial? I wonder what percentage of those losses are related to the housing slump. As you know, some of the suburban counties like Cobb and Gwinnett went on a unbridled expansionist binge – overdeveloping residential areas and glutting the market with houses and townhomes. The resultant contraction has been pronounced.

ty webb

September 29th, 2011
8:25 am

“You mean that a strategy of cutting taxes lower and lower, of refusing to spend money to modernize the transportation system that made you prosperous in the first place, of slashing state support for k-12 and higher education year after year, of kowtowing to developers and other businesses at the expense of quality of life for those who actually live here, of largely ignoring the needs of your state’s largest metro area — you mean that doesn’t work?”

well jay, you’ve convinced me… the State of Georgia needs to take more money from taxpayers…

Party in Charge

September 29th, 2011
8:26 am

The party that has been in charge of this state (REPUBLICAN) for the last eight plus years is to blame! No it is not President Obama’s fault! Guess what, it will NOT get any better because EVERY state administrative elected office is now Republican. Way to go Georgia!!

Jay

September 29th, 2011
8:26 am

If that kind of remark makes you feel better, Steve, I suppose that’s fine. But since the numbers in question are for the metropolitan region as a whole — the 28-county metro region — it really doesn’t do much to get at the real issues confronting us, now does it.

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
8:27 am

I’m sure it doesn’t have anything to do with crime in Atlanta. That wouldn’t be blaming the right people. I mean, who wouldn’t want to be mugged when they walk down the street to their home after leaving class? Or who wouldn’t want to not be able to go into certain neighborhoods after dark because you might not come out again until the coroner comes and gets you? But I’m just being a bigot, and showing my fear for the city (which I happen to live in) and things like that.

Don’t Tread – They’re hoping that if they repeat a lie often enough, it will be believed. It seems to be working, cause a startling number of people seem to believe it.

Steve - USA

September 29th, 2011
8:28 am

Stawman@8:24

That would make to much sense, of course the agenda was met so why look further?

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
8:30 am

(ir)Rational – “I’m sure it doesn’t have anything to do with crime in Atlanta.”

You’re right, it doesn’t. As mentioned in the full article and by Jay above, it reflects the 28 counties that make up the region. Or, is your argument that all 28 counties are designated crime zones where residents fear to tread?

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
8:30 am

Working in the housing industry, I can vouch for the fact that there isn’t a lot going on right now. What is, is either really small, or taking a long time to get started. People just aren’t wanting to build. I know contractors that have been surviving for the last couple of years doing maintenance on houses. And by maintenance, I mean changing light bulbs and mowing. This is fine, it gets the one guy working, but it doesn’t support the entire company.

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
8:31 am

Thanks for clearing that up for me Butch. :roll:

Steve - USA

September 29th, 2011
8:31 am

That Metro Atanta was one of the housing markets in the US and it collapsed so the Metro area would likely be one of the worst hit? No…you’re right. I bet the job loss is due to not spending enough on K-12.

If it makes you feel better go with that.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
8:32 am

ATLANTA (AP) – New FBI statistics show that violent crime and killings are down in Georgia, mirroring a national trend.

Nationwide, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports released this week show that violent crime dropped 6 percent in 2010, marking the fourth straight year-to-year decline.

In Georgia, there were 39,072 violent crimes in 2010 compared to 42,073 the previous year, which represents a 7 percent decline.

There were 558 murders and nonnegligent manslaughters in Georgia in 2010, compared with 566 the previous year.

Property crime was also down nationally for the eighth straight year, falling 2.7 percent, the FBI said, referring to crimes reported to authorities.

Property crime in Georgia fell 2.3 percent.

probably not crime

mm

September 29th, 2011
8:33 am

The republicans continue to show that their policies are best in the race to the bottom.

Steve - USA

September 29th, 2011
8:33 am

I meant to write “hottest” housing market.

J W C

September 29th, 2011
8:34 am

Gooberstan….exactly and totally descriptive of Georgia. Never have so many done so little for so few for no other reason than to prove ignorance of their own collective self interest. So very Republican….it’ll taste bad when you vote, but at least you won’t be a part of the solution. Gooberesque indeed.

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
8:37 am

I wonder how many people left the state in that time period? And I don’t care what the statistics show, there is a perception that parts of Atlanta are dangerous. I realize that statistically crime is going down, but it is also going up in certain areas. Does anyone believe the muggings at GA State and GT really helped the image of Atlanta in the least? What about the rapists hanging out in the dorm buildings? No matter what the statistics show, that is what people are going to remember. I think it would be pretty hard to convince my employees to move to a city where that is all you hear about. Sure, you could move to North Fulton or Forsyth or Cobb or somewhere that is perceived to be safer, but then you’re putting yourself an hour plus from Hartsfield. That isn’t doing anyone any good.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
8:38 am

Strawman, those are legitimate points. Here’s how I’d respond;

1.) The job-loss numbers in question date back only to August of 2010. By August 2010, three years into the housing slump, the construction collapse had already washed itself through the system, more or less. These are fresh job losses.

2.) Other metro regions suffered similar and in some cases much worse housing collapses. But as the story documents, they’re doing better and we’re doing much worse.

3.) If you look more deeply into the numbers, as you suggest, you’ll find that the current job deterioration actually extends well back into the previous decade, but was disguised from view by the housing boom you note. We weren’t creating many non-housing jobs, we weren’t creating many well-paying jobs. But few people noticed in the Gold Rush then underway.

ty webb

September 29th, 2011
8:38 am

so that’s settled…lower taxes = lower crime. Or atleast when using bookman logic, it does

jm

September 29th, 2011
8:39 am

Atlanta is not GA.

In case you didn’t notice the City of Atlanta is run by a Democrat, and the other counties are a mixed bag.

The issue for the city is water that is too expensive, property taxes that are too high and messed up, and a less than stellar public school system. Dekalb has even worse schools.

As for the suburban counties, they have their own issues (gridlock).

Gator Joe

September 29th, 2011
8:40 am

Jay,
I wonder how much of the stimulus money was returned, or refused, by the state of GA, or the municipalities here in GA, probably not much, if any. In traveling the state of Ga (mostly in the central and southern part), I see plenty of roads in disrepair. Yet, State and local politicians (mostly Republicans) boast of cutting budgets and keeping taxes low, so why not boast of keeping unemployment high, and wages low? They are responsible for the latter two as well.
PS
The Right will predictably blame the following:
President Obama, Democrats, Liberals, Undocumented Aliens, Welfare Recipients, Blacks, Hispanics, the Poor

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
8:42 am

Jay – Not disputing your research, just wanting to add one thing. Working in the housing market, it seemed for a while about a year an a half ago that things were getting better. For a little while anyway, then everything sorta dried up towards the middle to end of last year. They’re picking up a bit now, but most of the stuff I’ve worked on, and most of what the other architects I know are working on is out of town.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
8:42 am

(ir)Rational, again, these are numbers for the 28-county metro region, not downtown Atlanta, and no, they cannot be explained by an outbreak of crime around Georgia Tech. Such stories are common in every major metropolitan region in the entire world. Despite what you might believe from watching the evening news, the crime rate here is no worse and in many ways better than in many other metro areas that are kicking our collective butt.

In fact, I’d argue that the tendency to look for the kind of explanation you’ve offered helps to explain why we haven’t been able to unite around common strategies and move forward.

jm

September 29th, 2011
8:47 am

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost

GA is doing ok. Atlanta is the problem.

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
8:47 am

Jay – I’m talking about the perception. I haven’t heard many national news stories about college kids getting robbed in a major metro area on a nightly basis except when talking about GT and GSU. It doesn’t speak well to Atlanta as an entire metro area (especially because it has been my experience that people outside of Georgia don’t separate the metro area from the actual city) when that is the type of national news you’re making. Once again, just talking about perception.

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
8:48 am

Careful Jay, you might get the rolling eyes from (ir).

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
8:48 am

Dang-in jm, you crashed their site.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
8:50 am

jm, join the chorus in trying to pin this on the failures of the inner city. That’s exactly the kind of mindset that created this problem in the first place. It’s “them” not “us” at fault.

In fact, I’d wager that if the state and region had reinvested in its transportation system at the pace that the city of Atlanta has invested in expanding its prime asset, Hartsfield/Jackson airport, we’d be in a lot better shape than we are.

mike "hussein" smith

September 29th, 2011
8:50 am

I heard on the TV the other night that the Georgia Republicans think there is a nasty old tax cut still on the books that is sending jobs to neighboring jobs and short-changing our own state. If this tax is so nefarious, why didn’t they start with it first when they began slashing taxes on big corporations? So, maybe, just maybe, if our legislators will also slash that tax, corporations will come here because they realize the General Assembly is fully ready and willing to roll over and play dead.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
8:51 am

Ir

I don’t remember seeing GT and GSU crime on National news –
only local…

It is a local topic afterall.

mike "hussein" smith

September 29th, 2011
8:51 am

correction: I heard on the TV the other night that the Georgia Republicans think there is a nasty old tax cut still on the books that is sending jobs to neighboring states and short-changing our own. If this tax is so nefarious, why didn’t the GOP start with it first when they began slashing taxes on big corporations? So, maybe, just maybe, if our legislators will also slash that tax, corporations will come here because they realize the General Assembly is fully ready and willing to roll over and play dead.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
8:51 am

I tried to tell them that outsourcing all the jobs would not end well..

jm

September 29th, 2011
8:51 am

Savannah’s added jobs. Athens has added jobs.

Must be an Atlanta problem, not a GA problem.

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
8:52 am

Jay – and that’s not what you’re doing yourself? Or am I missing something?

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
8:54 am

GG – I was talking with people from other parts of the country that hadn’t even been here and they were asking me about it. Out of town family also, but like I said, there is a perception about Atlanta, from my limited experience, that isn’t great.

jm

September 29th, 2011
8:54 am

Jay 8:50 – I’m not pinning it on “the inner city”

I said the burbs have their own set of problems. Some have good schools some have bad. They all have bad road infrastructure. ATL’s tapped out. Water, roads, look elsewhere for growth. ATL is going to be in neutral for possibly a good long time.

I can tell you the FL folks are taking a much more deliberate approach to making FL grow and are succeeding, than the GA people are.

Tommy Maddox

September 29th, 2011
8:54 am

I would think it is housing/lending related. If those fools who relaxed lending qualifications had not been giving out millions of loans to anyone with a pulse, then this calamity would not have occurred. Couple this with the bright idea of bundling all of these loans and turning them into securities for everyone to invest in – then you wind up with what we have.

And guess what: the Republicans in the Georgia State House did not have much to do with that. It was a little further up the food chain.

Mudfoot

September 29th, 2011
8:55 am

“so that’s settled…lower taxes = lower crime. Or atleast when using bookman logic, it does”

and lower job creation, lower wages, deteriorating infrastructure, expanding salary gap, less educated constituents, fewer police and fire personnel, less compensation for the unemployed, etc, etc. You’re catching on TY

ty webb

September 29th, 2011
8:56 am

Irrational,
you forgot jay’s golden rule…”do as libs say, not as libs do.”

Thomas

September 29th, 2011
8:57 am

Jay- one part education and one part why in the hell did the City allow new bld construction with so much inventory in the 100-900 blocks of P’tree? As always- need a plan and execution of the plan

getalife

September 29th, 2011
8:58 am

You know, most people that get demolished in debate time after time after time show some humility and go away.

Not these cons.

They are consistently wrong so I will give them that.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
8:58 am

So if job loss is local, apparently the responsibility of the state government and not the fed, then why are all you libs whining that Congress needs to pass Obama’s job bill?

You guys need to get your story straight, that is if you even hope to gain anything more than a platform for clever Republican put downs.

Union

September 29th, 2011
8:58 am

could it be.. the govt doesnt create jobs as much as they would like to think? maybe its the private sector that does it? although the govt can stifle job growth through more regulations.. but for the life of me i cannot imagine what the govt could have done to scare businesses from hiring the last few years.. thoughts? anyone?

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
9:00 am

GLL and Union – Naw, that can’t be it. The government does everything better, and the federal government is the bestest of all the restest.

Steve P.

September 29th, 2011
9:00 am

Georgians deserve what there getting. Even today they are to stupid to realize that if you raised the GAS tax you could build roads, bridges, subways and the other transportation projects that Atlanta so desperately needs and create hundreds of thousands of jobs in the process. And best of all create a better city with good transportation. But noooooo…. we have the tea party crowd screaming no new taxes, so Atlanta dies a slow death. How bad is it going to have to get before people realize the republican way is killing us.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
9:00 am

jm

“Savannah unemployment rate increased to 9.5 percent in August. That’s up two-tenth of a percentage point from July”

WSAV 9/22/11

Per Dept of Labor
Athens unemployment rate 7.8 % for July and August,
down from 8.3 % for June

50% accurate

Tommy Maddox

September 29th, 2011
9:01 am

“could it be.. the govt doesnt create jobs as much as they would like to think?”

You hit that one square on the head!

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
9:01 am

Sorry. I mis-spoke in that last post. It’s not local. That would be the Democrats that have ran Atlanta, the city in question. It’s the STATE government. In other words, no matter how much Democrats screw things up, there will always be Republicans to blame.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:02 am

Did your State gop come out with their own job plan or are they like the rest of the gop and did nothing?

Physics

September 29th, 2011
9:02 am

Everything starts at the top (Governor) and rolls down hill (Mayors)

Jay

September 29th, 2011
9:03 am

“GA is doing ok. Atlanta is the problem.”

jm, stop making stuff up to suit your sentiments.

Of the 14 statistical metro areas in Georgia, 11 have jobless rates higher than the national average and six, including Atlanta, have rates above 10 percent.

Rome’s is 11.4 percent; Dalton is 12.1 percent; Albany is 10.8 percent.

The two regions with the lowest jobless rate — Athens and Warner Robins — have a strong government payroll in the form of UGA and the military.

Source: http://www.dol.state.ga.us/pr/laborforce.htm

Again, if the people of this state want to continue to indulge in fantasy blame games in which their favorite bogeymen are once again trotted out, this situation will continue.

Tommy Maddox

September 29th, 2011
9:04 am

Getalife – have you hired anyone lately? Just checking…

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
9:04 am

GG: We’re number last!!! (Do they make a giant foam finger for “we’re number last”? And what would it look like?)

Yes — it looks like the middle finger; but at least it’s pointed “up”.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
9:04 am

Steve P.

First, is English your first language?

Atlanta is ran by Democrats.

Fulton County is ran by Democrats.

Dekalb County is ran by Democrats.

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
9:05 am

Jay – Not sure about Albany, but what is it exactly that drives jobs in Rome and Dalton? It couldn’t be the housing market could it? Nothing to do with manufacturing things like carpet, and flooring, and appliances for housing? Nope, can’t be that, cause you’ve already said the housing market isn’t the problem.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
9:07 am

Good Little Liberal

And as per jay above Rome? Dalton? Albany?

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
9:07 am

Got a meeting to go to, y’all have a great morning.

no solution

September 29th, 2011
9:07 am

This entire comment section, including Jay, is full of idiots. The type of jobs lost makes all of the difference. Example

City “A” has 100,000 construction workers due to a robust economy at the start of the financial meltdown.

City “B” has stagnated for two decades and has no construction workers at all at the start of the meltdown.

City “A” loses 100,000 jobs, and Jay Bookwoman writes the idiot’s article on how City “A” has lost (100,000) jobs at the same time that City “B” has gained jobs (one Walmart Job), extolling the virtues of City “B” and blaming the Republicans for City “A” losses.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
9:07 am

Jay

So if it is all about the state government, why pass the latest greatest Obama jobs bill?

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:08 am

The gop have power in your State and are to blame.

Stop spinning it cons and own it.

Perhaps you should demand more from your votes other than the do nothing gop.

Look in the mirror cons.

You are the problem.

Talk about brain washed white people.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
9:08 am

Granny Godzilla

Why pass Obama’s jobs bill?

Physics

September 29th, 2011
9:09 am

Example Governor cuts funds from local governments…Local governments struggle to fund basic needs for schools and other public services……

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
9:09 am

Talk about brain washed white people.

Talk about your basic racist statement.

republicrat

September 29th, 2011
9:09 am

Lets be honest. It takes two to tango. Loan regulations relaxed because its a “human right” to own a home(barney frank),republicans reaped the benefits as they had bush in the white house,but dems pushed it in congress. The people who lied on their loan applications or deep down knew they were buying a house they couldnt afford. Our government keeps us divided so they can enrich their friends and family on our backs. Bush or obama are birds of the same feather. Obama lined the pockets of banks,insurance companies,union bosses and wall street. Bush did it with defense spending. Sure they gave us low paying jobs that are gone now. We need a third centrist party for us forgotten litle worker bess who believe in hard work not hand outs for our future. We ned Help!

Jay

September 29th, 2011
9:11 am

could it be.. the govt doesnt create jobs as much as they would like to think? maybe its the private sector that does it? although the govt can stifle job growth through more regulations.. but for the life of me i cannot imagine what the govt could have done to scare businesses from hiring the last few years.. thoughts? anyone?

Union, the main problem with that post is that it ignores the issue: Why are metro Atlanta and the state doing so much worse than the rest of the country? Your explanation would have us believe it’s because taxes are higher here and regulation is tougher here, etc.

Anybody believe that?

Union’s post is a classic example of taking the one single economic theory you possess and trying to apply it to everything you see, even if, as in this case, that theory flatly contradicts real-life data.

But again, if it makes you feel better to keep believing such things…..

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
9:11 am

“You mean that a strategy of cutting taxes lower and lower, of refusing to spend money to modernize the transportation system that made you prosperous in the first place, of slashing state support for k-12 and higher education year after year, of kowtowing to developers and other businesses at the expense of quality of life for those who actually live here, of largely ignoring the needs of your state’s largest metro area — you mean that doesn’t work?”

An incredible amount of assumptions in that paragraph. What about the economic woes of all the places that do things more pleasing to liberals? How is the state of California doing? How about Chicago?

jm

September 29th, 2011
9:11 am

Granny 9:00 I said they added jobs, which they have. That is different than the unemployment rate.

Jay was referring to jobs added or not, so I did too. Get it? I was 100% accurate.

Tommy Maddox

September 29th, 2011
9:12 am

Ahh now we see the genesis of Getalife’s mindset – he hates white people.

That takes me off the Christmas list.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
9:12 am

Jay

Why push so hard to pass Obama’s jobs bill if it is all about the State government?

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:12 am

lil lib,

It is fair game because of cain’s comment.

Own it brain washed com.

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
9:13 am

Once Atlanta gets that trolley that Jay advocates I’m sure all of this will turn around.

jm

September 29th, 2011
9:13 am

Jesus you guys are clueless

“Metro Atlanta shed 30,800 jobs since August 2010.” From JAY’S POST.

So I referred to the job numbers increased or decreased too. And Savannah, Augusta, etc, have ADDED JOBS.

You guys seriously just make sh-t up.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:13 am

“but for the life of me i cannot imagine what the govt could have done to scare businesses from hiring the last few years”

Yeah, me neither, maybe because they haven’t done anything. Businesses aren’t hiring because there is lower demand for products. Any other excuse given is just that….an excuse.

Maj. Mudloaf

September 29th, 2011
9:14 am

The regional economy is a nice match with the the crummy air, the oppressive traffic, the petty “heritage” hate, the lack of public decorum, the crummy schools, the hole in the ground in Buckhead, the world’s most corrupt airport, poorest regional development planning…..(please add at your discretion)

Come to Atlanta, we have all of the worst! We’re number last!

jm

September 29th, 2011
9:14 am

Now we’re talking about “unemployment rates”, not jobs added I see.

Way to move the goalpost and deflect libs.

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
9:14 am

“Talk about brain washed white people.”

Only white people are Republicans? Racist much, getalife?

Physics

September 29th, 2011
9:14 am

An incredible amount of assumptions in that paragraph. What about the economic woes of all the places that do things more pleasing to liberals? How is the state of California doing? How about Chicago?

This topic is about “GEORGIA”.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
9:14 am

Because the GOP after campaigning on it for the 2010 mid terms did nothing.

It will stimulate the economy, offers tax relief for some and hikes for others and will create jobs.

Besides, America wants and needs it.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:14 am

“What about the economic woes of all the places that do things more pleasing to liberals? How is the state of California doing? How about Chicago?”

And what pray tell, Gordo, does that have to do with Georgia? This State is redder than Rudolph’s nose.

rojwilco

September 29th, 2011
9:14 am

Yay our side, boo their side.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
9:15 am

Maybe you should stop electing Democratic Mayors

Or Republican Governors…….. :roll:

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
9:15 am

“Strawman, those are legitimate points. Here’s how I’d respond:”

Well, having now looked at the article you cite, I guess I’d split the difference with you, as it appears about 84% of the job losses can be attributed to either the housing slump or government layoffs:

“In the 12-month period, the BLS said, metro Atlanta lost 5,500 construction jobs, 11,700 in finance and 14,500 in government. Those reflect the housing and real estate crash, as well as state and local government cutbacks.”

I can tell you that there is NO shortage of jobs for many kinds of software developers in Atlanta; I cannot tell you how many e-mails and phone calls I get from recruiters – they are almost desperate to market you.

I guess it doesn’t surprise me that the other 16% of the losses have been white collar jobs, since I cannot imagine how a loss of almost 32,000 jobs in housing/real estate and government would NOT decrease the demand for some of thee other jobs.

So what is Georgia doing to attract businesses to this area? If they are choosing other areas to locate, why is this so?

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:15 am

Tommy,

This year I bought a new car, a new large screen tv ,went on several trips and hired three people to paint my house so I am trying to help our economy while the gop did nothing.

What have you done this year con?

SpaceyG on Twitter

September 29th, 2011
9:16 am

It’ll all be ok, fellow Georgians. The Fulton County Board of Commissioners is now in charge of land preservation and conservation! Because the Fulton County Board of Commissioners is certainly nothing if not renowned for its terrific environmental stewardship. Whew! http://atlanta.daybooknetwork.com/story/2011/09/29/42479greenspace.shtml

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
9:16 am

getalife

You can make excuses for your racism all you want. You are a racist. Own it.

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
9:16 am

“It is fair game because of cain’s comment.”

I don’t care for Cain but what was his comment?

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
9:16 am

jm

they added jobs and yet the employment rate increased?

I understand that can happen but you really should back it up.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:17 am

pea,

cain’s comment makes it not racist.

Fair is fair brainwashed white folks.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
9:17 am

because we are citizens of both a state and a nation, GLL?

Because important decisions are made at both levels of government?

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
9:17 am

“You can make excuses for your racism all you want. You are a racist. Own it.” – B/c someone else did something like the then that makes it ok. We can’t expect getalife and be better than that.

Tommy Maddox

September 29th, 2011
9:17 am

No GG, the GOP has passed enumerable bills in the House only to get nuked by Harry Reid in the Senate. Time to blame Harry for “do nothing”.

HDB

September 29th, 2011
9:17 am

Good little liberal
September 29th, 2011
8:58 am
“So if job loss is local, apparently the responsibility of the state government and not the fed, then why are all you libs whining that Congress needs to pass Obama’s job bill?”

Are you forgetting the CASCADING effect? Whatever happens on the local level cascades an effect on the state AND national economy! This may be the ONLY way that “trickle-down thought’ actually works!!

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:18 am

“If they are choosing other areas to locate, why is this so?”

Cause they can’t buy liquor on Sundays? :)

Adam

September 29th, 2011
9:18 am

Granny: (Do they make a giant foam finger for “we’re number last”? And what would it look like?)

A middle finger

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
9:19 am

Jay

So you are admitting that at least a part of the problem is our federal government. Funny, I didn’t read that in your article. Did i miss it?

kayaker 71

September 29th, 2011
9:19 am

We all might be comforted by the fact, as Granny says, that violent crime in the state is down. Murders down from 566 to 558. Eleven less dead people. Hallelujah, Granny, that ought to comfort all of us. And other crimes down 2.3%. That just might be a defining moment in Georgia law enforcement. Well, we made up for that eleven less dead people in Macon a couple of weeks ago. Eight gunned down in one evening by our responsible and civic minded Cripps gang, the 9-12. That was in addition to six more that lost their lives two weeks before that. Macon is the 17th most violent city, regardless of size, in the entire US, Granny. We don’t seem to be feeling the relief that should come from a 6% drop in crime. And how is that going to look when someone wants to establish a business in one of our many unoccupied buildings in the downtown area? With our “forward” and looking and progressive Democratic city council, I can’t even imagine why business is avoiding our fair city. Oh, and BTW, we don’t just mug our students. We strangle them then cut ‘em up. They still haven’t found all of the parts of that girl. Makes for great university recruitment.

ty webb

September 29th, 2011
9:19 am

“This topic is about “GEORGIA”.”

actually, it’s ATLANTA(all caps for emphasis)…see jay’s headline above.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
9:20 am

Jay

And is it too much to ask to request that getalife tone down the overt racism a tad?

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:20 am

“part of the problem is our federal government”

How is the federal government part of the problem, or as you seem to think, the biggest problem? It appears you are giving the GOP leaders a pass for their own incompetence.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
9:21 am

Tommy Maddox

Really?

Job creation bills?

Really?

Like what?

ty webb

September 29th, 2011
9:21 am

“Cause they can’t buy liquor on Sundays?”

Bosch,
precisely why I relocated to TX.

Adam

September 29th, 2011
9:22 am

The non-argument argument of “Well that must mean you want tax hikes!” is nonsense. What the argument REALLY is, is that taxes being lower or higher have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with overall job creation. No, raising taxes does not create jobs, but it’s pretty obvious (or should be, by now) that lowering them doesn’t either. It’s like you guys are trying to run a business without actually running a business.

A business has a huge amount of demand, and you think taxes are going to affect its hiring decisions? Cons don’t know how to run a business.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:22 am

ty,

So, do you know Paul??? ;)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
9:22 am

Good article Jay. I see most of the righties are doing anything to divert attention rather than addressing the points.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
9:23 am

Kayaker 71

You would prefer the crime rate went up? Oy.

You really should learn to celebrate what’s good.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:23 am

But yesterday you claimed cain’s comment was not racist.

Today, I made the same comment that you called racist.

You can’t have it both ways cons.

Tommy Maddox

September 29th, 2011
9:23 am

Well Getalife, I’ve just been working all year, hiring all kinds of folks to do all kinds of things, dodging P-51s, and trying to support my family.

I guess that makes me an evil white guy who’s worthy of your disdain. Just pitiful.

jm

September 29th, 2011
9:23 am

Granny, yes it can happen. I provided a BLS link earlier. You have to go through the data pull yourself at the BLS. I can’t provide more because its a java applet. The multi-screen form for MSA’s is the easiest to use.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
9:23 am

Straw, I assume that getalife is riffing off on Herman Cain’s statement yesterday that black people have been brainwashed into rejecting conservativism.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:24 am

“I see most of the righties are doing anything to divert attention rather than addressing the points.”

Yeap. Like always.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
9:24 am

Bosch

So if the problem is not with our Fed, then why on earth would Obama want to pass a jobs bill?

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
9:25 am

Jay

Ahhh. So racism is OK if there’s an imagined reason for it.

Good old fair minded Jay.

Have a nice day, folks. this place smells this morning.

Adam

September 29th, 2011
9:26 am

GLL: then why are all you libs whining that Congress needs to pass Obama’s job bill?

You think having a little extra federal money for state projects is a bad thing?

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:26 am

GLL,

I see your good at deflection. So, if as you say “So if the problem is not with our Fed”

Why blame them in the first place?

And why are you giving the local state GOP leaders a pass for their inability to create jobs?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
9:28 am

Someone has got their poutrage radar all askew with claims of “overt racism”

“this place smells this morning” – well since the internet does not transfer odors, that smell may be emanating from a locale much closer to you. :D

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
9:28 am

“Straw, I assume that getalife is riffing off on Herman Cain’s statement yesterday that black people have been brainwashed into rejecting conservativism.”

LOL I didn’t hear about that one. It seems like everytime Cain says something logical, he says 2 things that make you slap yourself on the forehead and say “Doh!”.

But my comment still stands about getalife. You shouldn’t blame someone else for your own racists comments. Why stoop down to Cain’s level?

ty webb

September 29th, 2011
9:28 am

“And why are you giving the local state GOP leaders a pass for their inability to create jobs?”

well, they could use the “inherited” excuse…oh wait…nevermind.

Adam

September 29th, 2011
9:29 am

DDR: I cannot believe we had the same thought on the middle finger sign!

Tommy Maddox

September 29th, 2011
9:29 am

Government does not create jobs. Government should pass legislation that should free up the business community to expand. Calling something a “jobs bill” is a joke.

St Simons - we're on Island time

September 29th, 2011
9:29 am

“… a strategy of cutting taxes lower and lower, of refusing to spend money to modernize the transportation system that made you prosperous in the first place, of slashing state support for k-12 and higher education year after year…of largely ignoring the needs of your state’s largest metro area — you mean that doesn’t work?”

There you go again, good host, trying to shame Them. The lovely Missus tries that as a hospital administrator. And you can’t shame them. If the Little Nero with a Cowboy Hat experiment can’t embarrass Them, they just can’t be embarrassed. We must think of another approach.

btw, Georgia needs Accountants/CPAs. But a warning to cons – its a math/science – you have to believe in it. And we don’t need any of those 2 + 2 = 5 “make the pie higher”, “make more pies” people. Even my Republican accountants laugh at that one. Oh well, I probably identified myself with this post, but I don’t care, except for one or two sickos on here.
Gooooo Dawgs..sic..er, mildly bark at ‘em woof woof.
“…meaner than a junk…recycle bin poodle!”

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:30 am

“they could use the “inherited” excuse”

Actually no they can’t ty — the GOP has been in charge of this State for a long time. When the Democrats were voted out, the State was not in near the financial shape it is now.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:30 am

Well Tommy,

I am retired but hired many American when I worked.

“I assume that getalife is riffing off on Herman Cain’s statement yesterday that black people have been brainwashed into rejecting conservativism.”

I try to keep our cons consistent in their beliefs. I have always said that cons are brainwashed by fox, rush and drudge to vote gop no matter if the gop stole everything they own.

If that is not white folks being brainwashed, II don’t know what else to call it .

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:32 am

“Why stoop down to Cain’s level.”

Stoop down to his level?

What level is that?

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
9:32 am

The Right will predictably blame the following:
President Obama, Democrats, Liberals, Undocumented Aliens, Welfare Recipients, Blacks, Hispanics, the Poor

You forgot to add “Wealth Envy”

jm: Jesus you guys are clueless – “Metro Atlanta shed 30,800 jobs since August 2010.” From JAY’S POST. So I referred to the job numbers increased or decreased too. And Savannah, Augusta, etc, have ADDED JOBS.

However Savannah et al. does not fire the engine that drives this whole state. ATLANTA does.

jm: You guys seriously just make sh-t up.

Naw — that would be YOU guys.

Gordon: How is the state of California doing? How about Chicago?

California is lingering at the bottom like Georgia/Alabama/Mississippi etc. and Chciago is not a state. Sorry. :cry:

ty webb

September 29th, 2011
9:32 am

Bosch,
My point exactly…something you failed to see with your haste for partisanship.

kayaker 71

September 29th, 2011
9:32 am

Granny,

“Would you prefer that the crime rate went up?

Certainly not. But I live in a world of reality. We’re talking about creating jobs in cities. People establish businesses in cities where conditions are optimal to their success. A good pool of potential employees, educated and responsible. They go where the local tax breaks give them an edge on the competition. Good schools, good affordable housing for their employees, something for their employees to do in their leisure time…. all in a safe environment. The more threatening and uninviting the environment, the more business shies away.
I wouldn’t send my daughter to Mercer University if the tuition was free. It’s in the middle of one of the worse neighborhoods in town and just like a good business man, I don’t want the risk.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
9:33 am

That SHOULD read:

California is not lingering at the bottom like Georgia/Alabama/Mississippi etc. and Chciago is not a state.

TaxPayer

September 29th, 2011
9:33 am

Is this the same GLL that was on here the other night proclaiming Soros to be a Nazi. Why yes. Yes, it is! :roll:

Adam

September 29th, 2011
9:33 am

Yes Tommy. Government does not create jobs. That’s why they don’t pay anyone who works for them.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
9:34 am

jm

You mean this?

I’m not seeing that it says what you say it does.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:34 am

ty,

Well, why didn’t you just say so. ;)

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
9:34 am

Republicrat — “Loan regulations relaxed because its a “human right” to own a home(barney frank),republicans reaped the benefits as they had bush in the white house,but dems pushed it in congress. The people who lied on their loan applications or deep down knew they were buying a house they couldnt afford.”

This piffle has been debunked and refuted HARD so many times here that it hardly seems worth it to go over things again.

Have a nice life, drive-by. :roll:

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
9:34 am

“Stoop down to his level?

What level is that?”

The level of making nonsense, broad, racial comments. I thought you were better than that…guess not. Blame someone else for your racial comments if it makes you feel better when you look in the mirror though.

Adam

September 29th, 2011
9:35 am

kayaker: But I live in a world of reality.

I never knew you were such a comedian kayaker! You should do stand up!

Adam

September 29th, 2011
9:36 am

BTW, I seem to recall that Chicago is doing pretty good.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
9:36 am

DDR: I cannot believe we had the same thought on the middle finger sign!

Great minds and all……. :wink:

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
9:36 am

T. Maddox — “Government should pass legislation that should free up the business community to expand.”

Yes! Doing away with child labor laws and the prohibition on indentured servitude would be good places to start, right?

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

September 29th, 2011
9:36 am

I would think it is housing/lending related. If those fools who relaxed lending qualifications had not been giving out millions of loans to anyone with a pulse, then this calamity would not have occurred. Couple this with the bright idea of bundling all of these loans and turning them into securities for everyone to invest in – then you wind up with what we have.

And guess what: the Republicans in the Georgia State House did not have much to do with that. It was a little further up the food chain.

There were two Republicans in the GA State House that were personally on the hook for a couple million by themselves. I’d say that last sentence might be just a tad bit wrong, but that’s just my view.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:36 am

Joe Mama,

Yeah, and I guess folks like him missed this speech by Bush:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
9:38 am

Let’s raise taxes by 20% and that will bring the jobs in, Ya Think!

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
9:39 am

K71 — “just like a good business man, I don’t want the risk.”

Can we infer from this statement that you are not, in fact, a “good business man?” :D

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:39 am

“Let’s raise taxes by 20%”

Whose proposing to do that other than the Fair Tax crowd?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
9:39 am

Taxpayer, its even the same GLL who often posts about “plantations”, etc……

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:40 am

pea,

cain is running for the President of the United States of America on the world stage.

It does not get any higher than that.

I think my comment is fair because I have always argued you cons are brainwashed by fox, drudge and rush.

You swallow all of their spin like you are brainwashed.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
9:40 am

As the AJC story notes:

Chicago: +11,700 jobs
Los Angeles: +19,900
San Fran +8,200
Atlanta -30,800

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

September 29th, 2011
9:40 am

Well Obama and his congressional Democrats have proven that government spending doesn’t work. Taxing the wealthy while allowing close to 50% of the population to not pay federal income tax and even allowing the bottom 20% to receive tax refunds that they never paid doesn’t work. So what’s the solution?

kayaker 71

September 29th, 2011
9:41 am

Joe Mama,

You missed the point by a country mile.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:41 am

And repeating the same talking points over and over and over proves my point.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:42 am

“Taxing the wealthy”

Um, Del, did you miss the whole Bush/Obama tax cut thing?

Making stuff up doesn’t make your argument, your attempts at Jedi mind tricks don’t work on us.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
9:42 am

Poison, “let’s raise taxes, improve our roads and infrastructure to provide a business environment, improve our schools and raise the quality of life” will bring in the jobs.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
9:42 am

“No, raising taxes does not create jobs, but it’s pretty obvious (or should be, by now) that lowering them doesn’t either.”

I would disagree with this statement, Adam. I would agree that some kinds of tax cuts may not create jobs. but it seems logical to me that putting more money into the hands of consumers (especially since given that consumption drives most of the GDP) AND eliminating or lowering corporate taxes (which should lower the cost of production, goods and services in a competitive economy) will stimulate job growth. HP’s CEO was on, I think, Meet The Press a month or two ago and he said (which is correct) that two things drive job creation: certainty and demand.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
9:43 am

jedi mind tricks?…… oh I think they are more from the dark side of the force.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
9:44 am

“Straw, I assume that getalife is riffing off on Herman Cain’s statement yesterday that black people have been brainwashed into rejecting conservativism.”

Getalife seems to me to be more of a gadfly than anything else on this blog; I have stopped responding to his posts.

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
9:44 am

“cain is running for the President of the United States of America on the world stage.” – So since you’re just a little person on a blog, it’s ok to be racist. Got it.

“I think my comment is fair because I have always argued you cons are brainwashed by fox, drudge and rush.” – Never read drudge, never listened to rush, don’t watch fox news. You might want to point the “you cons” comment elsewhere, sport.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
9:44 am

Strawman, tax cuts can also DESTROY jobs if they strip the government of resources needed to invest long-term in transportation and education.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:44 am

“but it seems logical to me that putting more money into the hands of consumers”

While in theory yes, that does seem plausible, but it also has to do with whom they do this too.

Putting more money in the hands of people who are already wealthy, while taking more away from those who have less to spend is not a good plan.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
9:45 am

K71 — “Joe Mama, You missed the point by a country mile.”

No, I don’t think I did. Just because I chose not to comment on your point doesn’t mean that I missed it.

Rather, I think the *joke* flew right by *you.*

Mick

September 29th, 2011
9:45 am

Infrastructure is breaking down, construction workers idle, contractors idle, who you gonna call? The private sector? No the gov’t silly and guess what? The private sector will benefit as will many a small business. Yes, jobs are the answer any way possible…

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:45 am

Uh oh.

Some good economic news coming out which means bad news for you cons.

If your failed party would get out of the way of commerce, we could string a couple of good quarters together.

Of course, this would mean you would lose the election.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
9:46 am

Keep, I don’t think it will happen. We have good roads, more money won’t necessarily get better teachers.

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
9:46 am

“I have stopped responding to his posts.” – I should do that but getalife is just so fun to mess with.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:47 am

“more money won’t necessarily get better teachers”

But it certainly goes a long way to keep the good ones we have.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:47 am

“Getalife seems to me to be more of a gadfly than anything else on this blog; I have stopped responding to his posts.”

You just responded silly.

Adam

September 29th, 2011
9:47 am

Recon: Well Obama and his congressional Democrats have proven that government spending doesn’t work.

Incorrect. The whys have been explained to you multiple times, you simply refuse to believe it.

Taxing the wealthy while allowing close to 50% of the population to not pay federal income tax and even allowing the bottom 20% to receive tax refunds that they never paid doesn’t work.

This is only true because taxes have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with job creation. Get that fact through your head and maybe we can talk about real solutions.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
9:48 am

Jay, Complains about Atlanta, however, there we are not the worse state when it comes to unemployment.

Dirty Dawg

September 29th, 2011
9:48 am

Whatayabet that not another single metro area on the list is marginalized and discriminated against by it’s state leaders…not to mention the surrounding counties…whose sole motivation is racial bias, like Atlanta has been. A house divided cannot stand, as some wise man once said, and here in Georgia we’ve got one – Atlanta, ‘The City Too Busy Fighting for Its Life Against Prejudice’. That’s right, we no longer use ‘The City Too Busy to Hate’, because we’ve got a State, and surrounding counties, that do that for us – toward us. So instead of the city that so many of us grew up appreciating and ‘promoting’, even if we didn’t actually live inside the city limits, whenever and wherever we could, has been vilified by right-wing, white, Republicans and/or Rednecks for so long and so thoroughly, that it’s no wonder that our reputation has languished. And the saddest part of it all, they – the Cobbs, the Gwinettes, the State House, the Governor’s office, you name it, are all proud of it…and why? Give you one guess.

Frankly, it’s way more disheartening than the Braves’…and almost as bad as Georgia’s football problems. But at least with the Braves there’s always next season, and with ‘The Dogs’, we may still pull it out this season. Atlanta, so long as Republicans run the State and so long as they continue to be driven by greed and prejudice, and so long as the surrounding counties continue to, overtly or covertly, practice their heinous brand of discrimination, and so long as the ‘business community’ doesn’t call either on it, then we’re doomed to the fate that Sam Massell labeled all those decades ago – The City Too Young To Die’…the trouble is he knew that prejudice wouldn’t go away so long as parents keep teaching it to their kids…and they have.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:48 am

“I should do that but getalife is just so fun to mess with.”

I feel the same way about cons.

cons are hilarious.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

September 29th, 2011
9:49 am

“your attempts at Jedi mind tricks don’t work on us.”

I know in your mind you’re off riding unicorns.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
9:50 am

Bosch

“more money won’t necessarily get better teachers”

” But it certainly goes a long way to keep the good ones we have”

If that’s true then why do we rank so low? and why did a lot of them cheat? That’s pure road apples Bosch and you know it.

TaxPayer

September 29th, 2011
9:51 am

Taxing the wealthy while allowing close to 50% of the population to not pay federal income tax and even allowing the bottom 20% to receive tax refunds that they never paid doesn’t work. So what’s the solution?

I’m thinking about something untried by Republicans. Jobs legislation. Real jobs legislation as opposed to that bogus job creating tax cuts for the wealthiest. Bush has already proven that it does not work. Pass Obama’s jobs legislation NOW! Do it for the people. Also, since 50% of large corporations do not pay federal income taxes in any given year, I would not be so quick to blame the poorest people in the nation for all of the Republican’s woes.

jm

September 29th, 2011
9:51 am

Granny 9:34 yes. July to July a year ago is up (total non farm).

Jay does cite August data, and that is down for Savannah as well, year over year. August data is prelim and notoriously unreliable. The July data is finalized.

Atlanta July-July was down, in comparison.

http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.ga_atlanta_msa.htm

Point is, Atlanta’s problems are not the same as the state’s ex-Atlanta problems. No one is excited about the level of job growth anywhere. But Savannah and others are doing better than Atlanta.

And all Jay’s bluster about “low tax” this and that is state level stuff. So the data and his comments are logically and analytically completely disconnected.

He’d have more of a point if Savannah, Augusta, Athens, etc were also all shedding jobs. But they aren’t.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
9:52 am

“Strawman, tax cuts can also DESTROY jobs if they strip the government of resources needed to invest long-term in transportation and education.”

I don’t have a quarrel with this statement conceptually. I think the quarrel lies in HOW the money is spent. For instance, I would like to see less money spent on school buildings (as in perhaps refurbishing older extant building like abandoned malls) and more on able teachers (to attract the best and brightest and dramatically lower the insane student-to-teacher ratios we now have). If you are going to spend MY tax dollars, at this point I REALLY want to see that you spend itwiesly an efficiently.

HDB

September 29th, 2011
9:53 am

Jay/Straw/Pea….

Here’s Herman Cain’s statement:

“”African-Americans have been brainwashed into not being open minded, not even considering a conservative point of view.”

If I may…..

It’s NOT that African-Americans won’t consider a conservative point of view, for the preponderance of African-Americans ARE conservative….but not POLITICALLY conservative! THAT’S the distinction!! The reasons are multiple, but for me (and myself ONLY!), here’s why I can NOT be politically coservative:

1)History of political conservatism: Political conservatism has an inane animus towards minorities (races, religions). Many will note that Democrats were the political power that was anti-minority – particularly in the South — but at that time frame, the Democrats were the CONSERVATIVES…and the Republicans were the LIBERALS! Prior to 1964, the GOP received the preponderance of the black vote because of the “Party of Lincoln”; the Democrats, however…from FDR, Truman, JFK, and LBJ….led the crusade for Civil Rights by integration of the Armed Forces and the Civil Rights Act. When the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was signed, LBJ said: “The Democrats have lost the South for a generation!” Look as to what has occurred since then: conservatives left the Democrats for the GOP, took the racist paradigm with them…and the South became solidly Republican.

2) Conservative political strategy: Note – Nixon’s Southern Strategy: methodology to marginalize the Souther black vote; Reagan’s advocacy for “states’ rights”….which in the South is a call for segregation; Bush41’s “Willie Horton” strategy….Jeb Bush’s elimination of black people from Florida’s voting roles. Look what has transpired now in Wisconsin, Alabama, Ohio: Republican Governors creating more roadblocks so that people can NOT vote!!

3) Conservatives’ IGNORING of Urban America: How many conservative candidates have come into the inner city, held town meeting forums to discuss the issues and addressed the needs of that community, and ASKED for my vote? (It’s quite simple!) Conservatives don’t even view me as a CONSTITUENT!!

4) Conservatives’ portrayal of minorities: Note: Reagan’s “welfare mothers”…..to the numerous statements of conservatives here portraying minorities as “driving Cadillacs and using food stamps”.

5) Conservatives’ hostility towards public education. The evidence speaks volumes

6)Conservatives’ lack of inclusion. Not just minorities…but those who DON’T think as they do! Just because the TRADITIONS are different makes a person no better or worse! Gay marriage…for one….is de facto legal by LAW (treaty and the 14th Amendment)…but conservatives decry such!!

There’s more…but these are my six PRIMARY reasons that I can’t be politically conservative!! IF AND ONLY IF the GOP can understand this will I consider them as a political alternative!! The devil you know is better than the devil you DON’T!!!

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
9:53 am

“your attempts at Jedi mind tricks don’t work on us.” – Mine seem to work on you just fine, Bosch. I remember seeing a post by you yesterday mentioning me when I hadn’t even been on the blogs. Seems like I got you thinking about me 24/7.

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

September 29th, 2011
9:53 am

Adam,

I’m sorry but you don’t have any real solutions just lemming aid induced delusions. The greater majority of Americans just don’t have belief in Obama’s failed policies.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:54 am

pp,

Have you been under a rock.

People are gaming our systems left and right.

We have protestors on Wall Street protesting this fact.

Income equality is horrendous .

Wake up.

jm

September 29th, 2011
9:54 am

Again, Atlanta’s problems are an Atlanta problem. Not a state policy problem.

Though the state itself could try to help solve them.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
9:54 am

Recon — “I know in your mind you’re off riding unicorns.”

Your complaints about being insulted will carry more weight when you stop insulting others yourself.

ty webb

September 29th, 2011
9:55 am

Dirty Dawg,
though I share your passion for UGA…sadly your comment, is one “Jim Crow” mention away from being as inane as any of “Mary Elizabeth”’s…anyhow…Go Dawgs!

kayaker 71

September 29th, 2011
9:55 am

And when we have raised taxes on the evil rich so far that even the liberals say enough (liberals represent 75% of the most wealthy US citizens), what will we do, establish a VAT? Then we might consider the fixed assets of those evil people. Maybe they ought to just sacrifice some of what they have so that others will be on a more “level playing field”. No one says anything about the insane gluttony of spending. Cut spending and you don’t need as much revenue. It’s childhood 3rd grade math. Why do you think our Congress is blessed with an 18% approval rating? When controlled by the Democrats, it was about the same. If we would fix government spending at just the 2008 levels, we could pay off our debt in less than 10 yrs. But no, we have to keep feeding the hogs at the trough with this idiotic tax code that favors loop holes for the very people who ought to be paying more in a fair way. We are indeed our own worst enemy. Pogo was right.

Big Brother

September 29th, 2011
9:56 am

I see in the BLS stats that the majority of metro job losses were in the government sector. Wouldn’t that be a good thing? Less tax money spent thus less taxes on the citizens so they can spend elsewhere. And, wouldn’t this please the government worker haters who love to bash them?

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
9:56 am

Well Del,

Even so, I don’t rely on facts that exist only in my head, unicorn or no.

So, instead of addressing me rationally, you go for the unicorn — that tells me you know your argument is weak, if not patently false.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
9:57 am

I thought Dirty Dawg put it very well, as did HDB. Nicely done on both counts.

Gordon

September 29th, 2011
9:58 am

Jay,

So the things you mentioned in your post is the cause of the job losses? The economy in the places I mentioned are horrible, with liberal policies in place. That was my point.

You might have well as said the policies you disagree with were the cause of the Braves collapse. I think it was overuse of the bullpen and poor hitting, but that’s just me.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
9:58 am

K71 — “Why do you think our Congress is blessed with an 18% approval rating? When controlled by the Democrats, it was about the same.”

Do you even think about the stuff you post before you post it?

“If we would fix government spending at just the 2008 levels, we could pay off our debt in less than 10 yrs.”

Are you *really* claiming that we’re going to pay off multiple trillions in debt in under ten years solely by doing that? Seriously?

TaxPayer

September 29th, 2011
9:58 am

Income equality is horrendous .

That may be so but income inequality is doing great!

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
9:58 am

Herman Cain’s statement yesterday that black people have been brainwashed into rejecting conservativism

Stoop down to his level?

What level is that?”

The level of making nonsense, broad, racial comments. I thought you were better than that…guess not. Blame someone else for your racial comments if it makes you feel better when you look in the mirror though

So Caine makes nonsense, broad, racial comments and yet he gets a pass from you? Interesting…..

Recon (2nd.and 3rd.)

September 29th, 2011
9:58 am

Mama Joe,

I only insult those who insult me and more often then not I just ignore their ignorant posts. Enjoy your day on the blog. Work to do so later.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
9:59 am

HDB, Just about everything that you said is BS, with your mind set I won’t waste time responding to each one, but you know that it’s pure BS.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
10:00 am

“If that’s true then why do we rank so low? and why did a lot of them cheat?”

You can’t strip our educational system of millions and then complain about it if there are problems. If you want a good public education system, you have to fund it.

I know from personal experience that good teachers are leaving because they are tired of the bullshyt they must deal with on a daily basis.

Why did SOME cheat? Because they are pressured to deal with a system that is designed to make them fail.

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
10:00 am

“So Caine makes nonsense, broad, racial comments and yet he gets a pass from you? Interesting…..”

I never gave him a pass. Go back through my comments and try again, DebbieCantRead.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
10:00 am

Exactly as is the case in Washington, our local neo-cons are governing disasters. The only difference is that the Georgia version is not in a position to get a bunch of American service people killed needlessly.

Otherwise they are just as incompetent.

So you defenders of these boobs, can you tell me exactly what, after 130 years of being on the outside looking in, have our back to back GOP governors done for this state?

Sent it spiraling downward even faster.

All with the help of frauds and clowns like the mooching millionaires Suxtobeus Chambliss and Tom Price…

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
10:00 am

Debbie, Do you think what Getalife said is any better, just askin?

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
10:01 am

Strawman – Another way to spend money more wisely on schools would be to build for projected growth, or even a little bigger instead of only for what you need today. When it takes a couple of years to build a school in a county that is (was) growing as fast as Cobb, Gwinnett or North Fulton, and you’re only allowing the school to be built for the capacity they have today, there is something wrong with that idea. To my mind anyway. Why not build for a few hundred extra instead? As it is, when I worked for a company that did schools, we would be working on a new school, and while we were doing the design work, we would figure out what part of the parking lot would be taken up by trailers the day the school opened while we designed the next one. Worked great for us, we had plenty of business, but it didn’t seem to be the most efficient way to do things. As far as teachers go, Gwinnett (from what I can tell) consistently ranks in the top in the country for government schools. Maybe the entire state needs to take a lesson from them. Also, we have some of the top universities in the country in Atlanta. With GT and Emory, we should be attracting way more research and development type companies than we are. We have a huge resource that seems to be untapped. I’m not going to say it isn’t any/all of the things Jay listed, but those things can’t/shouldn’t be laid at the feet of just one group of people. And I don’t believe that is the complete list either. We do need to do something though, and I’m not smart enough to know what that is. Personally, my solution is that as soon as the Mrs. finishes up with law school, I want to run far far away. Cause the proverbial grass is greener outside Atlanta.

Peter

September 29th, 2011
10:01 am

Yes the article came out yesterday…..most US cities have lower unemployment, but No not Atlanta, unemployment is going up around here.

The GOP is Clueless…….Unless it is about helping a few.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
10:02 am

AmVet, There are several Dem states that are in worse shape than we are, why not mention them?

1811/0311

September 29th, 2011
10:02 am

Oh, paleeeezeee Jay:

Your reasoning above is so pathetic.

………………. and you left this part out:

Survey (AP) : “Obamacare Raised Costs”

TaxPayer

September 29th, 2011
10:03 am

HDB, Just about everything that you said is BS, with your mind set I won’t waste time responding to each one, but you know that it’s pure BS.

pp, in typical Republican fashion, has declared the truth to be false. Let it be written, let it be so.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
10:03 am

Poison pen, if what HDB wrote is BS, then explain Phil Kent to me.

Explain how an appointment like that doesn’t demonstrate if not an outright animus against racial and ethnic minorities, at least a tolerance for such animus.

If you’re a black kid in Alabama, and you see that a powerful GOP state senator is on tape dismissing black people as aborigines, and yet he remains in office and in leadership, are you going to think that’s a party that respects you and yours?

TaxPayer

September 29th, 2011
10:04 am

Your reasoning above is so pathetic.

And Scout contributes his usual. What! No mention of Box 23. You’re slipping.

HDB

September 29th, 2011
10:05 am

poison pen
September 29th, 2011
9:59 am

Wise man said: “Those that forget their history are doomed to repeat it!” Looks like you’re attempting to revise history….when the story has already been WRITTEN!!

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
10:08 am

Bosch

“If that’s true then why do we rank so low? and why did a lot of them cheat?”

” You can’t strip our educational system of millions and then complain about it if there are problems. If you want a good public education system, you have to fund it.”

There are other states that have lost funds also and you don’t see the teachers leaving and you don’t see the poor press about their scandals.

” I know from personal experience that good teachers are leaving because they are tired of the bullshyt they must deal with on a daily basis.”

Teachers in every state deal with stuff all the time, they don’t have it any harder than anyone else in the real World, poor example Bosch.

” Why did SOME cheat? Because they are pressured to deal with a system that is designed to make them fail.”

Oh please! this is BS and you know it.

Peter

September 29th, 2011
10:08 am

We have a lying GOP Governor, or he wouldn’t be…..we have a former GOP Governor who has lied about all kinds of issues, the GA 400 toll, his personal loans, getting involved in DOT work, because of his personal property…. the amazing part, during a huge recession….. former Governor doubled his net worth, while running the state into the ground.

Education is in the toilet in Georgia…….and the lemmings keep voting GOP….Well we know the GOP has education right where it wants it !

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
10:08 am

getalife

“If that is not white folks being brainwashed, II don’t know what else to call it .”

I know. That’s because you are a racist who believes that Republicans are only White. I don’t have a problem with you being a half witted racist. It’s just another look into the small mind that is you. My problem is with Jay Bookman rationalizing your racism. It’s disgraceful, but to be honest, expected.

Taxpayer

Soros and NAZIs

When the Nazis occupied Budapest in 1944, George Soros’ father was a successful lawyer. He lived on an island in the Danube and liked to commute to work in a rowboat. But knowing there were problems ahead for the Jews, he decided to split his family up. He bought them forged papers and he bribed a government official to take 14-year-old George Soros in and swear that he was his Christian godson. But survival carried a heavy price tag. While hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being shipped off to the death camps, George Soros accompanied his phony godfather on his appointed rounds, confiscating property from the Jews.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust

Hey Jay, since selected comments are acceptable for justifying racism, how about if we all refer to Black people as being lazy and laying around in bedroom slippers, as per Obama.

But then again, I would never do that because I’m not a racist or even worse, I would never make excuses for another person being a racist . . . er . . . like you did.

Off Subject - Freedom Riders Needed to go to ALABAMA

September 29th, 2011
10:09 am

Ala. police to enforce America’s ’strongest’ immigration law

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44713323/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001

Schrodinger's cat

September 29th, 2011
10:09 am

Peter, you can’t hold the city admin completely blameless ….can you?

yuzeyurbrane

September 29th, 2011
10:09 am

Jay, your problem is that you don’t just believe.

iRun

September 29th, 2011
10:09 am

HDB, I award you ALL THE INTERNETS for the next hour.

poison pen, I think you are out of poison. Time for a refill.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
10:10 am

HDB

poison pen

” Wise man said: “Those that forget their history are doomed to repeat it!” Looks like you’re attempting to revise history….when the story has already been WRITTEN!!”

HDB, Maybe you need to get into the 21st century and leave the past behind you.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
10:11 am

irun, Your name says it all. Keep running.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
10:12 am

poison,

Obama’s job bill addresses the teacher retention problem, which is a good thing — it gives money to help keep teachers. Yes, all teachers deal with this, and all over we see teachers leaving the profession — a poor example yourself poison.

You don’t see the press about their scandals because this was an isolated incident. What’s your point?

If it’s BS, then tell us all why poison — just saying so does not make it true.

NCLB is designed to make the schools fail or make it impossible to be successful according to it’s own definitions. That is why our new State Superintendent is trying to opt out of it, a very smart move in my book. Dr. Barge is a top notch guy.

Now, I’m off to read my new book — later taters.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
10:12 am

K71: Certainly not. But I live in a world of reality. We’re talking about creating jobs in cities. People establish businesses in cities where conditions are optimal to their success

If “crime” is your argument for the downfall in jobs in Atlanta, then how can you explain all the business in cities like Los Angeles (high crime and gangs)?

(ir)Rational

September 29th, 2011
10:12 am

So every problem with Atlanta is because the entire state government is racist and biased against Atlanta. Because the entire metro, or I guess by the examples used, the entire northern metro is biased against Atlanta, but only because they’re racist. Well, now that I know that because I used to live in Cobb and now live in Buckhead, that I’m racist, I guess I’ll just go do some racist things. The fact that Jay thinks this is a good explanation of Atlanta’s problems makes me seriously wonder what in the hell is wrong with him. Bosch, Bro, Debbie, Kam and USinUK (not sure I’ve seen her here today) y’all have a nice day, I’m not sure I’m going to come back because the level of what passes for debate has seriously slipped from what I can tolerate without getting really pissed. However, y’all have been some of the few people that I felt like I could talk to about stuff, even though we didn’t really agree on most of it.

St Simons - we're on Island time

September 29th, 2011
10:13 am

There may be “unrest”, there may be an “American Spring”
but We are close to solving the question
Are we all in this Together? or
is it Every Man for Himself?

Once dis light comes on,
every little ting, gonna be alright, mon

Kevin

September 29th, 2011
10:14 am

Do you really believe you can demonstrate cause and effect simply by saying it is so?

HDB

September 29th, 2011
10:14 am

poison pen
September 29th, 2011
10:10 am

Problem is….history REPEATS itself!! I take from the past to know what I can do to make the present AND the future better!! Too many want to repeat the mistakes of the past….”take the country BACK”!!

Remember: “Some see things as they are and ask ‘Why?’; I see things as they SHOULD BE…and ask ‘Why NOT?’”

iRun

September 29th, 2011
10:15 am

poison pen, your pen is full of salty sadness and chunky awkward fear! Perhaps you should come run with me. You will feel better.

poison pen, I take away your internet for 5 minutes. You need a rest.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
10:15 am

Cat, the city of Atlanta has absolutely had its problems, although Kasim Reed does seem to be making progress, as did Shirley Franklin before him. (Note I said “progress,” not resolution).

But seriously, the state DOT — now seeking its fourth commissioner in four years, I believe — is at least as dysfunctional if not more so than the city, and the incompetence and disorganization of that multi-billion-dollar agency have a far greater impact on this state’s prosperity.

Yet somehow that kind of thing is ignored while all the blame is put on Atlanta officials for the problems of a 28-county metro region. You do have to ask yourself what dynamics explain that nonsense.

Sad Day in Alabama

September 29th, 2011
10:18 am

Freedom Riders @10:09 this is similar to what GEORGIA is trying to do…This is a sad day in our countries history when it comes down to the Hispanic People!! The confederate flag rejoices!

Matt

September 29th, 2011
10:18 am

Guy, Republicans run EVERYTHING around here and here you guys are blaming Democrats. Ridiculous.

EJ Moosa

September 29th, 2011
10:18 am

Ready to cut that minimum wage and get people back to working and earning their increases on performance, rather than what government insists you should get?

Probably not.

That’s why every restaurant, store, and other establishments have reduced their headcounts. And with the numbers of stores in the Metro area, that adds up to a significant number.

That giant sucking sound is the right sizing of the metro area to the economic realities of today for the metro area.

1811/0311

September 29th, 2011
10:20 am

TaxPayer:

Good Morning !

Keep paying those taxes !

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
10:21 am

I never gave him a pass. Go back through my comments and try again, DebbieCantRead.

oh PDawg you really don’t want to get into a game of the “Dozens” with me. I’m a military brat, I can call you names that you won’t be able to comprehend until you exhaust google’s search engine. Trust.

poison: Debbie, Do you think what Getalife said is any better, just askin?

Well, I think you got me there pp. Emotionally, I support what getalife said. Mentally I know what he said was a bit tilted. Now, my fight is whether to go with the emotional side of me or the intelligent side. hmmmmmm what to do, what to do………(viola!) I think I’ll invoke the 5th and just totally dodge the question. BUT at least I did try and answer it. Now, Let the sneering begin……….in 5,4,3,2…….

Jay

September 29th, 2011
10:21 am

No, (ir)Rational, you are twisting things.

I’m saying that the misplaced effort to focus blame on the city — an effort driven by many of the things you cite — allows us to ignore looking at what the real problems actually are.

It is not the cause of the problem; it is merely the smokescreen used to avoid admitting the problem.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
10:22 am

And GLL continues his poutrage about alleged rationalization while posting another false Nazi attack that has been disproven repeatedly:

As biographer Michael Kaufman wrote in Soros: The Life and Times of a Messianic Billionaire (page 37):

This is what actually happened. Shortly after George went to live with Baumbach, the man was assigned to take inventory on the vast estate of Mor Kornfeld, an extremely wealthy aristocrat of Jewish origin. The Kornfeld family had the wealth, wisdom, and connections to be able to leave some of its belongings behind in exchange for permission to make their way to Lisbon. Baumbach was ordered to go to the Kornfeld estate and inventory the artworks, furnishings, and other property. Rather than leave his “godson” behind in Budapest for three days, he took the boy with him. As Baumbach itemized the material, George walked around the grounds and spent time with Kornfeld’s staff. It was his first visit to such a mansion, and the first time he rode a horse. He collaborated with no one and he paid attention to what he understood to be his primary responsibility: making sure that no one doubted that he was Sandor Kiss.

Really attacking the “actions” of a 14 year old boy trapped in Nazi-occupied Europe is just chair-born bravado and nonsense. It is shameful and despicable.

TaxPayer

September 29th, 2011
10:23 am

Keep paying those taxes !

Nah! I’m gonna vote Republican so we can get some legislation passed to eliminate funding for your government pension, Scout.

TaxPayer

September 29th, 2011
10:24 am

So, GLL really believes that George Soros is a Nazi. :roll:

Jay

September 29th, 2011
10:24 am

Right, EJ.

Because in all those other metro areas, the ones that are ADDING jobs, the minimum wages laws don’t apply, right? The reason that metro Atlanta is suffering is because that federal law only applies here, and not there.

Is that your reasoning?

Seriously people.

ken

September 29th, 2011
10:24 am

Gee, in California they have done the opposite with the same results.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
10:24 am

GLL: That’s because you are a racist who believes that Republicans are only White.

98.9% are. PS: I thought you left? Lonely over on Kyle’s blog? :mrgreen:

Frankie

September 29th, 2011
10:25 am

Let’s see Atlanta is the largest metropolitian city in Georgia and all the other cities in GEORGIA feed off of ATLANTA but now that ATLANTA has been sigled out at be last in job creation, the other GEORGIA cities now want to alienate themselves from us. Try and survive without ATLANTA. Mmmmmdoesn’t the GOVERNOR of GEORGIA live in ATLANTA.
Isn’t he the one who turned his nose up at the Federal dollars that were being provided for GEORGIA.

I am pretty sure oour roads are traveled on by more than just ATL Metro people. Well here come the toll roads nice going GEORGIA.
It is funny how the world started in 2008, before then there was no existance of anything bad…..

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
10:26 am

Recon — “Mama Joe, I only insult those who insult me”

How wonderful! That’s what *I* do. (laughing) :D

“and more often then not I just ignore their ignorant posts.”

That’ll be the day. (giggling) :D

“Enjoy your day on the blog. Work to do so later.”

I look forward to your return. Perhaps you’ll be in a better temper after a cookie and a nap. ;)

md

September 29th, 2011
10:27 am

“his is only true because taxes have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with job creation. Get that fact through your head and maybe we can talk about real solutions.”

Really?? I mean really??

Demand drives this economy………..money in the pocket of consumers is a BIG factor on that demand.

I mean really?????

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
10:27 am

“GLL: That’s because you are a racist who believes that Republicans are only White.

98.9% are.”

It’s more around 88-90% but don’t let that get in the way of your racist views and comments.

1811/0311

September 29th, 2011
10:28 am

TaxPayer:

Ah …………………… a little jealousy I see this morning.

Schrodinger's cat

September 29th, 2011
10:29 am

Jay, I agree…there is plenty of blame to go around..on both sides. I actually liked Shirley and like Kasim…both upgrades from where we were..
The APS and surrounding school districts debacle don’t help…and the DOT is a mess to be sure. A good spring cleaning has been in order for years…to many career politicians

JB

September 29th, 2011
10:29 am

Jobs come from the private sector and consumer confidence, not the Oval office. Stimulus money is like novocaine, it stops the pain for awhile, but once it wears off, it’ll hurt again. It’s really silly to Think Obama and him spending money will help anything. Look at Facts, which is florida who in the last year or so has gone from 1.5 bil in debt to 3.5 bil in surplus, and didn’t raise any taxes. They cut spending. When you here stories like this 535 million dollar loss to this solar company and the Government mailing over 600 million to dead folks, you just can’t put any faith in that, and we haven’t touched medicaid fraud. People in business producing goods and services make jobs. Obama just makes a mess.

Schrodinger's cat

September 29th, 2011
10:33 am

GLL – From Gallop
Eighty-eight percent of Republicans are white, compared with 71% of independents and 62% of Democrats.

EJ Moosa

September 29th, 2011
10:34 am

Because in all those other areas, they had a different set of economic factors. Otherwise they would all have the same unemployment today, right?

You blind yourself when you cherry pick one location and compare to another. Either look at the trends across the board, or do not look at all. And across the board unemployment is higher.

What you do know to be factually correct is that since the cost of labor for most retailers, restaurants and other employers has risen over 40%, and that since that point in time unemployment has been rising.

If you think 40% is inconsequential, you need a reality check.

cranky old man

September 29th, 2011
10:34 am

I’m not an economist, but I follow economic news quite a bit. Everything I read about job loss and job creation seems to center around how to spur economic growth. The underlying assumption seems to be that we need to have a constant increase in demand to keep up with constant growth in the number of people seeking employment. But there are a few trends that effect the numbers:

1. As nations become more economically prosperous, however, their birth rates inevitably decline. This would normally tend to decrease the pool of available labor. The US has avoided this somewhat by our abnormally high level of immigration, both legal and illegal.

2. As nations become wealthier, their citizens tend to live longer, due to access to better medical care, better nutrition, and jobs becoming more automated and less physically demanding (although the latter trend also contributes to obesity, diabetes, and heart disease). For the past couple of generations, this has meant more years of leisure in retirement. But the trend of the past 30 years or so has been away from traditional retirement plans which promise monthly payments for life, and toward 401k type plans, which only pay as long as the money lasts. This will cause many people to defer retirement, which means they won’t be freeing up those jobs for new workers.

3. Productivity increases come in two basic flavors. The first is improved technology, which means fewer workers are needed to do the same work. Think of the typing pools at large companies in the ‘60s and ‘70s replaced with word processing software. The second flavor is employers demanding more work for less money. We’ve seen both kinds in the US, but a combination of globalization, a well-funded campaign to demonize unions, and competition between states to see which one can remove worker protections fastest in recent decades has drastically increased the second type. Keep ‘em desperate and hungry and they’ll be killing each other for the privilege of working for minimum wage.

Let’s return, however, to improved technology for a moment. This doesn’t just mean better machines and software. It also refers to the massive increase in shared knowledge, which allows businesses worldwide to study what works, and adopt best practices and the most efficient methods of production, without actually having to stumble through trial and error of their own. In the long run, this means we’ll (theoretically) have the capability to meet all the basic needs, and even the reasonable desires, of every person on the planet while utilizing only a fraction of the working age population. When this occurs, what will the rest of the population do? It’s either starve, which seems ridiculous with such abundance available, or live on some form of welfare. Neither option seems very appealing.

jm

September 29th, 2011
10:35 am

“I thought Dirty Dawg put it very well, as did HDB. Nicely done on both counts.”

Jay, trying to do his part to rally the troops for Obama. Jay has his marching shoes on.

:)

Immigrant Problems

September 29th, 2011
10:35 am

Okay, listen up what about the legal immigrants that come to American on their Visa’s to work. They are the ones that take the “high paying” jobs. The illegals make the Republicans richer because most Republicans are so rich and want to remain there so they hire the cheap labor to pick the crops off of the ground. Do the math: illegal immigrant wages=$7 per hour…..legal immigrant wages= $30 per hour and for the rest of the jobs that are being outsourced…called up China!

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
10:35 am

pen,

A) I don’t live there.
B) I don’t give a damn about red states like Texas that are heavily subsidized by blue states
C) I hate red herrings for breakfast

Now back to the topic at hand, why do you think the “new” GOP leadership in Georgia has been such a failure?

…who believes that Republicans are only White.

Of course GLL is correct. The Big Tent GOP (Joke of the decade) is only 94% white…

Peter

September 29th, 2011
10:36 am

Hey jm…… Tell us something positive the GOP has done in the last 5 years please.

RAMZAD

September 29th, 2011
10:36 am

Kasim Reed is an idiot- all show and no go.

jm

September 29th, 2011
10:37 am

“But seriously, the state DOT — now seeking its fourth commissioner in four years, I believe — is at least as dysfunctional if not more so than the city, and the incompetence and disorganization of that multi-billion-dollar agency have a far greater impact on this state’s prosperity.”

No doubt that is true. Jay may be a blind squirrel. But he has a good nose sometimes….. :)

HDB

September 29th, 2011
10:37 am

JB
September 29th, 2011
10:29 am

If the government doesn’t create jobs….then what about air traffic controllers, policemen, firemen, military……

You are forgetting the residual effect of private businesses that GROW from supporting government facilities! If you need an example — look at the downturn of Atlanta since the government decided to close Fort McPherson and Fort Gillum…….

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
10:37 am

Any excuse for racism is a good excuse for the people who support the Party of George Wallace and Orval Forbus.
This isn’t 1964, Democrats. Your overt racism is no longer tolerated and you, including Jay bookman should be ashamed of yourself.

jm

September 29th, 2011
10:37 am

Peter. Which GOP. State (GA, FL, IN?) or National? Or local?

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
10:38 am

PDawg: It’s more around 88-90% but don’t let that get in the way of your racist views and comments.

Because I made a sarcastic comment I’m RACIST?!? WOW!! Do you even know the definition of racist PDawgie? Are do you just put that sh##t on everything?

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
10:39 am

Should Read:

OR do you just put that sh##t on everything?

Peter

September 29th, 2011
10:39 am

OK Jm..Georgia and Washington DC.

jm

September 29th, 2011
10:39 am

Oh, and Peter. Sometimes the good things the GOP does, are specifically what they DON’T do. But I wouldn’t expect a “toe the line” liberal to get that….

Schrodinger's cat

September 29th, 2011
10:39 am

Oops my 10:33 is for Deb, not GLL

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
10:39 am

“Because I made a sarcastic comment I’m RACIST?!? WOW!! Do you even know the definition of racist PDawgie? Are do you just put that sh##t on everything?”

You’re the one of defending and agreeing w/ getalife’s comment. I didn’t see anything sarcastic in that post.

But if that’s how you meant it, then my bad.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
10:40 am

TaxPayer — “So, GLL really believes that George Soros is a Nazi.”

Anyone who would apply that logic and conclude that George Soros is a Nazi would have a hard time explaining how Pope Benedict isn’t a Nazi.

After all, the Pope actually was a *member* of the Hitler Youth.

HDB

September 29th, 2011
10:40 am

jm

September 29th, 2011
10:35 am
“Jay, trying to do his part to rally the troops for Obama. Jay has his marching shoes on.”

Jay doesn’t need to rally me; life has a way of making someone rally towards what’s best for himself…and ultimately everyone!! As I stated, since the GOP doesn’t consider me as a constituent, what are the plausible options??

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
10:40 am

EJ Moosa – “What you do know to be factually correct is that since the cost of labor for most retailers, restaurants and other employers has risen over 40%, and that since that point in time unemployment has been rising.”

Can’t argue with that. In fact, what we need to do as our next step in evolution is get the IT folks to reduce their pay to that of their Asian counterparts. I believe that $15,000 is the going rate in India. Next we can get everyone in America to agree to reduce their earnings to that of their counterparts in Asia and other third world countries i.e. 75 cents a day for manufacturing, $10,000 to $20,000 annually for the “white collar” jobs. While we’re at it, we better get rid of the child labor laws. We’re going to need all the workers we can get once we have satisfied the monetary requirements of Corporate America in order to stimulate job growth.

md

September 29th, 2011
10:41 am

“If the government doesn’t create jobs….then what about air traffic controllers, policemen, firemen, military……”

“Creating” is the easy part………….shoot, any gov’t can add bodies at will……….but the private sector has to generate the income to sustain those jobs…….

It is an expense on their books silly…………..the gov’t has no expenses to worry about, they just take what they need……….

Actually borrow what they need at this point.

Aurelius

September 29th, 2011
10:41 am

Georgia has one of the most poorly educated work forces in the nation and we are cutting back on education. KIA placed its plant in Georgia to take advantage of assorted tax breaks from Georgia. It placed the plant across the state line from Auburn and Opelika, Alabama because of the highly skilled work force in that part of Alabama.

When the legislature convenes in January the number one priority will be a new tax code. The number 50 priority will be reducing the size of state government. Reduce the size of state government 15% and we can then reduce taxes 15%. A permament reduction in taxes that individuals and businesses can rely on for years.

But cutting the size of government reduces someone’s little “empire”. Cutting the size of government puts Uncle Joe out of work.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
10:41 am

DebbieDoRight

On this blog, any excuse by liberals is total justification. You are OK here. Racism is accepted on a liberal blog. Its sort of what you do.

And BTW. I don’t go to Kyle’s blog. I have time for one. I, unlike most of the posters here have a job.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
10:43 am

Joe Mama

So this morning it’s justify racism and people who helped the NAZIs.

Libs, you are batting 1,000.

jm

September 29th, 2011
10:44 am

Peter, GA, slim pickins. Their tax reform plan, which could’ve been very good for the state, got so watered down it drowned. Infrastructure is important and as Jay pointed out, GDOT sux and is a mess.

On the national level, GOP didn’t have ANY power for 2 years. They can now stop things, but they can’t really pass anything. Prior to that, Bush passed the prescription drug benefit, but I wasn’t a big Bush fan obviously.

I tell you something, as an example the N-GOP would not be doing. And that is they wouldn’t be trying to shut down the Boeing plant in SC that will cost SC 10,000 jobs and hurt 25,000 people (when families are included).

Now, will the GOP do sensible things like fixing and improving HCR, the tax code, and entitlements? Or will they sit on their arse again? I don’t know. But at this juncture, I’ll take the devil I don’t know (and seems more sensible generally) than the devil I do know.

HDB

September 29th, 2011
10:44 am

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
10:37 am
Any excuse for racism is a good excuse for the people who support the Party of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, and Trent Lott.
This isn’t 1964, 1968, 1980, or 1988, Republicans. Your overt and/or covert racism is no longer tolerated and you should follow the lead of Lee Atwater and Ken Mehlman and denounce the racism that’s within your party!!

There! Fixed that for you!!!

Always Skeptical

September 29th, 2011
10:44 am

GM Lakewood, GM Doraville and Ford Hapeville…all closed since 1990. These plants produced some of America’s most popular and best selling cars. They were replaced with nothing more than service industry jobs, which are all in India now It was bound to happen. Of course, Georgians will keep electing the same s— for brains pols who make it less and less desirable for decent companies (particularly global ones) to call this place home. The boycott started long before Troy Davis was put to death.

md

September 29th, 2011
10:44 am

Butch……..actually, the global market will dictate eventual living standards of all those that participate….that genie is out of the bottle…….we lived high on the backs of the rest of the world, now the reverse is occurring, and we don’t like it much……do we.

jm

September 29th, 2011
10:47 am

HDB

“the GOP doesn’t consider me as a constituent”

The GOP doesn’t consider you a constituent because black folks haven’t voted Republican in a long long time. Chicken and egg problem. GOP seems fired up about Herman Cain. Michael Steele ran the GOP (though he didn’t last long). It’s not about race at the national level, its about political reality.

There are real retards that are still racists in the GOP. But black voters don’t seem so far to have a desire to disprove the stereotypes (blacks always pulling the D lever) on the voting front.

redneckbluedog

September 29th, 2011
10:48 am

Look on the bright side, there are some nice suburban homes for sale….CHEAP..!!!!! Not to mention the ’slightly used’ bulldozers, nail guns, and paint sprayers….

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
10:48 am

md – “Butch……..actually, the global market will dictate eventual living standards of all those that participate….that genie is out of the bottle…….we lived high on the backs of the rest of the world, now the reverse is occurring, and we don’t like it much……do we.”

Shhhhh….Don’t let EJ Moosa know that. In his world, if we just got rid of the minimum wage, there would be jobs o’ plenty. In fact, to bolster EJ’s argument, I would say that if we didn’t have to pay people anything to work, then I’m sure America would truly be the land of milk and honey.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
10:48 am

GLL — “So this morning it’s justify racism and people who helped the NAZIs.”

What a ridiculous assertion. So a 14-year old George Soros was *objectively* Nazi? And a 14-year old Pope Benedict was too? You can’t *honestly* believe that either of those men intentionally and willfully supported the Nazis or the Nazi cause, can you?

“Libs, you are batting 1,000.”

You should talk; you’re indicting one man who wasn’t even in a Nazi organization and yet giving a pass to another man who was actually a member of the Luftwaffe auxiliary. :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftwaffenhelfer

FWIW, I don’t believe for a moment that either man supported the Nazi cause, but clearly you’ll turn yourself inside out to make a misguided rhetorical point, GLL. Pathetic.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
10:50 am

“people who helped NAZIs” Really? Sickening and disgusting false LIE

A 14 year old boy living in fear of his life in Nazi-occuppied Hungary being protected by others…..

The armchair bravado of someone who has never lived it is simply stupifying.

Mick

September 29th, 2011
10:50 am

JB
@
September 29th, 2011
10:29 am

Sorry, can’t let that lie go unchallenged. Florida is not 3.5 billion in surplus. They cut education funding by 8%. Yes, we are really looking out for the future down here, a future that enables further decline…

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
10:50 am

jm — “But black voters don’t seem so far to have a desire to disprove the stereotypes (blacks always pulling the D lever) on the voting front.”

How come it’s the job of African-American voters to “disprove the stereotypes” and not the job of Republican candidates to do it?

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
10:50 am

HDB: You are forgetting the residual effect of private businesses that GROW from supporting government facilities! If you need an example — look at the downturn of Atlanta since the government decided to close Fort McPherson and Fort Gillum…….

Good point. And did you notice how not ONE republican tried to fight the closing of those bases, even though they knew the economic impact of their closures? Yet, try and take ONE CONTRACT, for a plane that DOD doesn’t even want, from Lockheed or Boeing and they loose what’s left of their minds……

No Artifical Flavors

September 29th, 2011
10:50 am

As a 30 year old Georgia born and bred, and one that has worked for high-level Republican leaders before, it pains me to say that our once great state’s conservative voting block has gone into quasi-anarchist territory. Our modern republican voters hate infrastructure and hate public education. Those two things alone have destroyed any hope of meaningful recovery in the metro region. I had a local yocal actually tell me the other day that they didn’t care if the county roads crumbled as long as they didn’t pay any more taxes to fix them because they have a big ol pickup truck that works just fine off road. Facepalm.

It is a sad day as I am now looking all over the US to escape this rapidly spreading populist mentality of self destruction. Dare I say new england is looking nice these days. Hello nawtheners…

Jay

September 29th, 2011
10:51 am

The minimum wage, adjusted for inflation, is lower today than it was in the entire period between 1955 and 1980, which also happened to be this nation’s greatest era of growth and prosperity, EJ.

Your argument is ridiculous on its face.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
10:53 am

Unless and until the fake conservatives grow a pair and resolve their whites only status, they will always be a fringe group.

And I don’t see any of them clamoring to throw out the Phil Kents, Nathan Deals and the white power, Aryan nation and other hate group elements in their ranks.

With the arch-conservatives, it is the same as it ever was…

md

September 29th, 2011
10:53 am

“Don’t let EJ Moosa know that. In his world, if we just got rid of the minimum wage, there would be jobs o’ plenty.”

And minimum wage is a contributing factor……..corps look at overall expenses, not individual wages (per se)……….if a corp is struggling to make a profit, it must either raise prices (bad idea in a bad economy) or cut expenses………..that wage can make a difference in body count.

If corp xxx only has a certain amount to spend on employees, the wage will dictate the number of bodies…….it is basic math at that point.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
10:53 am

(ir)Rational – “Another way to spend money more wisely on schools would be to build for projected growth, or even a little bigger instead of only for what you need today.”

I concur and I think your comment just shows if enough thoughtful people put their heads together, then the best solutions will not be hard to see.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
10:54 am

HDB

Richard Nixon: One of a few Senators that redrafted the voting Rights Act of 1872 and refused to compromise. Also fought the racist unions in Boston who were refusing to Hire Blacks.

Ronald Reagan: Under his presidency, the Black achieved more financial wealth than any time before in history.

Jesse Helms: What problem do you have with Helms. PLease list how he hurt the Black Demographic.

Strom Thurmond: Overt Segregationist and racist while a member of the Democratic Party. Became an integrationist and was supported by many Black organizations after becoming a Republican.

Trent Lott: Biggest mistake was praising a former Democrat.

No it’s not 1964. If it was, there would be a Republican marching at your side while some democratic governor was sicing attack dogs on you.

It’s not 1968, when the Great Society had spent the last four years figuring out ways to keep Black kids going to really bad schools.

Its not 1980, where the Boston Busing riots, the most violent in our country was being led by White Democrats in the districts ran by the Kennedies

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
10:56 am

Jay – “Today’s minimum wage, adjusted for inflation, is lower than it was in the entire period between 1955 and 1980, which also happened to be this nation’s greatest era of growth and prosperity, EJ.

Your argument is ridiculous on its face.”

What I find more astounding is that people like EJ will tell you that paying a CEO 20 million dollars a year has no effect on job creation or losses, but paying a line level worker $7.25 an hour is akin to setting of a nuclear bomb in terms of a companies ability to remain solvent.

md

September 29th, 2011
10:56 am

“Today’s minimum wage, adjusted for inflation, is lower than it was in the entire period between 1955 and 1980, which also happened to be this nation’s greatest era of growth and prosperity, EJ.”

I bet it’s still higher than most every one of those countries pumping out products by the millions right now…………the competition wasn’t the same from 1955 to 1980…………….

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
10:57 am

Which Kennedy was running South Boston in 1980? John or Bobby? ……

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
10:57 am

AmVet – Read my lips. No new Texans! – Keep looking at things through color if it makes you feel better. What a sad person.

jm

September 29th, 2011
10:58 am

Joe Mama – “not the job of Republican candidates to do it?” you can’t disprove a negative.

Republicans are reaching out a lot to the Hispanic community. Because their votes are up for grabs.

Republicans have been reaching out to the black community consciously and organically. Michael Steele on the deliberate front, and Herman Cain in his own right. If the black community doesn’t reciprocate, then things will just stay as they are…..

When your vote isn’t up for grabs, no one tries to get it. Got it? :)

Jay

September 29th, 2011
10:58 am

md, minimum wage jobs are not the ones being moved elsewhere. Minimum wage jobs are concentrated in the service, hotel, restaurant and retail industries, none of which can be easily shipped overseas.

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
10:59 am

I second that, well said Dirty Dawg.

Atlanta, ‘The City Too Busy Fighting for Its Life Against Prejudice

Or also: “Atlanta: The City Too Busy Fighting Rearguard Battles Against a Rube Downstate.”

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
10:59 am

No Artificial Flavors — “As a 30 year old Georgia born and bred, and one that has worked for high-level Republican leaders before, it pains me to say that our once great state’s conservative voting block has gone into quasi-anarchist territory.”

I first voted in 1980, right after high school. I proudly cast my vote for Reagan. I even enlisted in the Army during Reagan’s administration.

I voted Republican (and occasionally Libertarian) for over 20 years, but I’m not doing it any more. Not with the crop of crazoids we have in that party now. Republicans used to care about truth and facts and building infrastructure and institutions — the things that sustained a strong economy.

No longer.

I’m not a perfect fit with the Democrats, but IMO, the GOP just plumb full of nuts these days, and I won’t have any part of them or what they want.

I do hope you’ll stay around, sir/ma’am, and provide some well-needed perspective on Jay’s blog. :)

jm

September 29th, 2011
11:00 am

“none of which can be easily shipped overseas”

Nope, but they can be automated or outsourced to the customer. And they will be soon enough…..

TaxPayer

September 29th, 2011
11:00 am

Ah …………………… a little jealousy I see this morning.

Jealous! Of your birther searcher skills? Nah. I made my money the Republican way — from working for one of those Fortune 50 companies that you claim to have fought to protect. No government mooching for a living here. Unless you count my use of government roads and public schools and all that stuff that Republicans want to cut taxes from and eliminate, which includes your government pension, Scout. :lol:

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
11:01 am

The old joke that goes the only problem with Atlanta is it happens to be located in Georgia turns out to be too much apparently for the city to overcome, much as the superior Phillies were too much the hapless Braves last night as always.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
11:01 am

BTW, last night josef ripped a certain cad here a new one for the slimy misrepresentation of Soros and the Nazis.

it was a great read…

MountainMan

September 29th, 2011
11:02 am

Here is a look from Coke’s CEO in an interview with Financial Times on why investment is not happening in the USA.

Coca-Cola now sees the US becoming a less friendly business environment than China, its chief executive has revealed, citing political gridlock and an antiquated tax structure as reasons its home market has become less competitive.

Muhtar Kent, Coke’s chief executive, said “in many respects” it was easier doing business in China, which he likened to a well-managed company. “You have a one-stop shop in terms of the Chinese foreign investment agency and local governments are fighting for investment with each other,” he told the Financial Times.

Mr Kent also pointed to Brazil as an example of an emerging economy that is making itself attractive to investment in ways that the US once did.

“They’re learning very fast, these countries,” he said. “In the west, we’re forgetting what really worked 20 years ago. In China and other markets around the world, you see the kind of attention to detail about how business works and how business creates employment.”

Mr Kent argued that US states did not compete enough with each other to attract businesses while Chinese provinces were clamouring to draw investment from international companies. Meanwhile, he said, China’s budget discipline and rapid economic growth made it an appealing place to set up operations.

jm

September 29th, 2011
11:02 am

“Or also: “Atlanta: The City Too Busy Fighting Rearguard Battles Against a Rube Downstate.””

That kind of comment is what makes people from Savannah, Augusta, etc hate Atlanta. I’ve seen it and heard it. Their view, not without some legitimacy, is that Atlanta hogs the states resources.

It happens with water. It happens with transportation investments to some degree. It happened with economic development (historically, less so recently).

Anyway, Trotsky, way to reinforce that “2 states” mentality.

Steve - USA

September 29th, 2011
11:02 am

Since Atlanta is the worst I guess Houston and Dallas must be the 2nd and 3rd worst because of those mean old Republicans.

Read the actual article for the answer, you will also see in the article the real estate crash is a significant factor despite what Jay said.

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
11:03 am

jm – “Nope, but they can be automated or outsourced to the customer. And they will be soon enough…..”

Not quite. No guest is going to clean their own room and make their bed, No diner is going to bus their own table and get their foood and refills from the kitchen. And no shopper is going to assist in the re-stocking of the inventory on the floor.

jm

September 29th, 2011
11:03 am

Trotsky’s not a racist. But he’s just as ugly as one.

“a Rube Downstate.”

Libertarian

September 29th, 2011
11:03 am

And yet we all know Atlanta as a whole will vote for Barack Obama again. Hope and Change.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
11:04 am

GLL: Any excuse for racism is a good excuse for the people who support the Party of George Wallace and Orval Forbus.
This isn’t 1964, Democrats. Your overt racism is no longer tolerated and you, including Jay bookman should be ashamed of yourself.

Okay so, the subject of the day is Atlanta’s collapse and how,suprisingly, we can just about put it under the “R” column with a big ole gold star and a check. However, GLL and his talking dog Pdawgie would rather knock themselves out with a 2×4 than admit this, so instead they turn the subject to nonsense to try to obscure their team’s failings.

With comments such as this:

On this blog, any excuse by liberals is total justification. You are OK here. Racism is accepted on a liberal blog. Its sort of what you do.

So this morning it’s justify racism and people who helped the NAZIs.”

And so on and so forth. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Great try at obsufication, but you guys gotta come better than that.

PS: Don’t forget to add “Wealth Envy” to the diatribe. You can put that sh##t on everything!

TaxPayer

September 29th, 2011
11:04 am

If corp xxx only has a certain amount to spend on employees, the wage will dictate the number of bodies…….it is basic math at that point.

Huh. You mean Chinese McDonalds restaurants have ten times more employees than corresponding American McDonalds.

jm

September 29th, 2011
11:04 am

Butch – 20 years, robots buddy. What do you think self-checkout, fast food ordering systems where you carry your own food and fill your own drinks is about?

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
11:05 am

Mountain Man – “Mr Kent argued that US states did not compete enough with each other to attract businesses while Chinese provinces were clamouring to draw investment from international companies. Meanwhile, he said, China’s budget discipline and rapid economic growth made it an appealing place to set up operations.”

Yes, and the citizens of the US demand a decent wage for their labor, and harsh regulations prohibit the shooting of management for making mistakes. Damn, it sure is hard to do business in America!

King of All Rants

September 29th, 2011
11:07 am

Republican voters are insane…keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result
Republican pols are smart…keep doing the same thing over and over again to funnel more and more money to their donors….

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
11:07 am

jm – “Butch – 20 years, robots buddy. What do you think self-checkout, fast food ordering systems where you carry your own food and fill your own drinks is about?”

Yeah, and 20 years ago I was supposed to have a jet pack and flying car by now.

EJ Moosa

September 29th, 2011
11:07 am

How can you deny that the costs of labor rose by 40% over a short period for the majority of the small businesses in the metro area?

You need to go back to prior to 1980 to prove you are right? You are reaching. There were many different factors in addition to wages.

But the same business in 2005 and 2008 had a 40% increase in it’s labor. Address it from the view of one business. One sandwich shop. One restaurant. What was the impact on the bottom line if all other factors stayed the same..

Why not address the notion that this had an impact on it’s bottom line?

Is it really that difficult a concept to grasp?

Or are you just determined to deny it at any cost.

I am certain you will deny. Because to admit that one person lost one job at one sandwich shop would be to admit that maybe the wage increases did cost jobs.

BuzztheKiller

September 29th, 2011
11:07 am

I must have missed that “Tax cut” you are referring to. All I have seen is increasing property taxes.

Steve - USA

September 29th, 2011
11:07 am

jm@11:04

I saw an article the other day that either Kroger or Ingles is getting rid of their self serve aisles because people don’t like them.

md

September 29th, 2011
11:07 am

“md, minimum wage jobs are not the ones being moved elsewhere. Minimum wage jobs are concentrated in the service, hotel, restaurant and retail industries, none of which can be easily shipped overseas.”

There are plenty of them, but the puzzle is interconnected…………..goes back to demand…….we are buying the cheap crap from overseas, which reflects in the spending habits on our own economy…..as the higher paying jobs leave our shores, there is less to spend over here, hence the reduced body count of those service industry jobs…………..

Libertarian

September 29th, 2011
11:07 am

How does “quality of life” have anything to do with keeping jobs?

No Artifical Flavors

September 29th, 2011
11:08 am

Thanks Joe Mama. As long as I continue to live here and contribute to this society with hard work and dedication (I am an evil public servant/slave) I will also try to offer reasonable political and societal perspectives to those that have lost their way.

jm

September 29th, 2011
11:08 am

Only a real dirtbag would say something like “harsh regulations prohibit the shooting of management”, even if supposed to be a joke.

Too bad harsh regulations prohibit shooting ignorant liberals. See how that works?

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
11:08 am

DebbieDoRight – Getalife started the race issue early on. Then you, and now AmVet are chiming in supporting him. Get your facts straight.

As for Atlanta, what do you suggest the solution is? B/c I just flat out don’t know. Lowering taxes doesn’t seem to work but raising taxes in a down economy doesn’t make sense.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
11:08 am

Pea, I guess the only other option is to do like you and the other right-wing racist enablers.

See nothing, hear nothing, say nothing.

Unless I missed all your posts renouncing the appointment of Phil Kent, for example – a known confidant of rabid racists.

It may work for you Reagan “11th Commandment” robots, but not so much for us less ethically challenged…

No Artifical Flavors

September 29th, 2011
11:09 am

And thanks for your service Joe Mama.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
11:09 am

jm — “Joe Mama – “not the job of Republican candidates to do it?” you can’t disprove a negative.”

Sophistry. I thought you better than that.

Okay, if Republicans want African-American votes, then they need to dispel the stereotypes. And a good way to start would be by not placing people like Mr. Kent in positions of state power.

“Republicans are reaching out a lot to the Hispanic community. Because their votes are up for grabs.”

My Hispanic wife says you’re full of doodoo.

“Republicans have been reaching out to the black community consciously and organically. Michael Steele on the deliberate front, and Herman Cain in his own right. If the black community doesn’t reciprocate, then things will just stay as they are…..”

Aaaaaand that’s why Mr. Kent has a position of state responsibility. GMAMFB. :roll:

“When your vote isn’t up for grabs, no one tries to get it. Got it?”

When you appoint racists to state positions, no one will figure that your party isn’t racist itself. Got it?

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
11:09 am

Libertarian: “And yet we all know Atlanta as a whole will vote for Barack Obama again. Hope and Change.”

Ooh, something a little irritating about that to you?

And when the lily white suburbanites and the down-staters vote with exactly equal predictability for the Geee Oah Pueee!!, that’s not mindless subordination to racial motivation or interest politics, that’s just an honest expression of their preferences, their values, and their right to assert their way of life, is that it? Lol.

seabeau

September 29th, 2011
11:10 am

Maybe its due to the Democratic controlled city government and the Democratic controlled Board of Education. Democratic controlled crime. All these things equate to “White Flight”.

jm

September 29th, 2011
11:10 am

Jay, your crowd sure has its share of classless folks. So does the other side. But you don’t seem to care about your transgressors.

godless heathen

September 29th, 2011
11:10 am

Lemmee see if I got this straight.

The problems with employment in the Atlanta region has nothing to do with the Democrats running the most populous counties in the Atlanta Region because the Jobs report was for the entire 28 county metro area.

But on the other hand, the problems with employment in the entire 28 county Atlanta Region can be blamed on GOP leadership that doesn’t like the people of color that make up the the most populous counties in the Atlanta Region.

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
11:11 am

EJ Moosa – “I am certain you will deny. Because to admit that one person lost one job at one sandwich shop would be to admit that maybe the wage increases did cost jobs.”

Okay, I’ll admit it. If you will admit that typically 1 CEO receives 6 figure bonuses for eliminating said worker.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
11:11 am

cons are more unhinged than usual.

China is a competitor and a commie country.

We have many traitors on this blog.

Better set up another panel to investigate these commie traitors.

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
11:11 am

“Unless I missed all your posts renouncing the appointment of Phil Kent, for example – a known confidant of rabid racists.” – Is that the guy who was appointed to the immigration board or whatnot? If so, then I’ve denounced his appointment on here before. Nice try though.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
11:12 am

EJ Moosa — “I am certain you will deny. Because to admit that one person lost one job at one sandwich shop would be to admit that maybe the wage increases did cost jobs.”

Or perhaps you could substantiate your claim that increases in the minimum wage cost jobs. After all, it’s not like they’ve never happened before. There are several instances of it from which you could choose to prove your point.

Steve - USA

September 29th, 2011
11:12 am

godless,

Bingo!

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
11:13 am

No Artificial Flavors — “And thanks for your service Joe Mama.”

Thank you; very kind of you to say. ;)

Seriously, do stick around. We need more moderate and thinking Republicans on here to take up the GOPs banner.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
11:14 am

Profitable, well-paying corporations want to locate in places that are good to live, libertarian. They want to locate there because that’s where their own top officials want to live, and because it’s easier to attract top talent to such places than to regions where the schools are rundown, the parks are closing, the air is dirty and there’s a shortage of clean water.

getalife

September 29th, 2011
11:15 am

Will the next mccarthy please stand up.

Americans need a wake up call.

Supporting China and not your country should be called out.

You are Americans cons.

Start acting like it.

Joe COOL

September 29th, 2011
11:15 am

Logic 88
September 29th, 2011
8:17 am

“More change we can believe in….”

Does that mean we can give him credit too for the jobs created in TX too? Oh, thats right, it doesnt go both ways.
CONS:
When numbers are bad=Obama’s fault
When numbers are good=Obama had nothing to do with it.

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
11:15 am

jm – “Only a real dirtbag would say something like “harsh regulations prohibit the shooting of management”, even if supposed to be a joke.

Too bad harsh regulations prohibit shooting ignorant liberals. See how that works?

Okay,

1. I was responding to the post in which the CEO of Coke is talking about how user friendly China is compared to the U.S. in terms of doing business, and yes, they do shoot their managers in China, so take it up with them.

2. I guess I’d be safe, since I am not even remotely a “liberal”.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
11:16 am

The GOP doesn’t consider you a constituent because black folks haven’t voted Republican in a long long time. Chicken and egg problem

More like cause and effect. When the GOP adopted the “Southern Strategy” to get more whites to the polls, that turned off a lot of black voters.

During the implentation of the Southern Strategy blacks were serving in VietNam, flying their American flag with pride, and embracing core American values — then out of the blue the GOP intimated that the problems in America came about because of Brown people. That was a cause.

When the GOP declined to help Dr. King when he was illegally held in a jail cell; yet the Democratic Kennedy brothers did offer him help… That was a cause.

When the Machiavelli of moden politics, Lee Atwater, designed his Willie Horton campaign to help the repubs….. That was a cause.

The effect? Blacks left the republican party in droves and have yet to return.

md

September 29th, 2011
11:17 am

“Huh. You mean Chinese McDonalds restaurants have ten times more employees than corresponding American McDonalds.”

More like twice the number of employees and twice the profit………………

Basic math……….21/7=3…………..21/5=4

I guess the question becomes…..is it better to have 3 folks employed @ 7 or 4 employed @ 5……..take into account the reduced cost of that unemployed individual and the demand/purchasing power……..

Doggone/GA

September 29th, 2011
11:19 am

“And no shopper is going to assist in the re-stocking of the inventory on the floor”

Heck, places like Wal-Mart are getting customer resistence to even using self-checkout lines. I know that *I* never use them, and apparently there are a lot more people like me with the same attitude.

Libertarian

September 29th, 2011
11:20 am

Well, Bismark, ND has the lowest unemployment rate in the nation and they have a Republican Governor and predominantly Republican legislators. That pretty much blows your “theory” out of the water.

Steve - USA

September 29th, 2011
11:21 am

I think Jay brought up something that is important. I think the water situation hangs over Metro Atlanta more than people realize. I could see companies not coming here because of that, especially Manufacturing plants that use a lot of water.

EJ Moosa

September 29th, 2011
11:21 am

And if minimum wage increases had no impact on employment, then there would be no negative impact if we were to raise it another 40% from here, right Bookman?

Using the arguments that have constantly been on display here, that would actually be good for the economy, because those folks getting the increase would have more money to spend.

Who could think that was a bad idea?

md

September 29th, 2011
11:22 am

“If you will admit that typically 1 CEO receives 6 figure bonuses for eliminating said worker.”

I say false considering the majority of corps in this country are small businesses……many of which are hanging on by a shoestring………………

Sure, they are plenty of elitist management groups out there, but more as the exception than the norm………..

TaxPayer

September 29th, 2011
11:23 am

More like twice the number of employees and twice the profit

Well! If you’re gonna throw profit and demand and that sort of stuff into the picture, that just changes everything.

jm

September 29th, 2011
11:23 am

Butch 11:15 –

#2 well good to hear :) I don’t think anyone’s shooting moderates yet, but I’m sure its only a matter of time.

“Profitable, well-paying corporations want to locate in places that are good to live, libertarian. They want to locate there because that’s where their own top officials want to live, and because it’s easier to attract top talent to such places than to regions where the schools are rundown, the parks are closing, the air is dirty and there’s a shortage of clean water.” Sounds like Delhi or Mumbai. And I know plenty of westerners going there….. good opportunities. US, not as much.

md

September 29th, 2011
11:23 am

“I know that *I* never use them, and apparently there are a lot more people like me with the same attitude.”

And I use them all the time……..because all the other folks are standing in the other lines…………….

jm

September 29th, 2011
11:24 am

“Better set up another panel to investigate these commie traitors.”

Start with Jay. :)

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
11:24 am

Clayton County School System loss of SACS accreditation.
Clayton County Sheriff’s Office goat rope surrounding Victor Hill.
DeKalb County School Systems and controversy surrounding Vernon Jones.
Atlanta Public Schools cheating scandal.
Atlanta’s inept mayoral leadership.
Metro Atlanta’s robbery and violent crime rates (despite the claims or decreases in crime).

Yeah, absolutely right. It’s that damn transportation issue and funding for education.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including you Jay.

GT

September 29th, 2011
11:24 am

Metro Atlanta and the state of Georgia are clearly out of step with the rest of the nation that is on a recovery path. It is like the ad on television where the kid discovers he is fat and wants to know why. Until the Georgia masses have a true picture of their elected leadership and its cause and effect on the depletion of our well being and get off these eccentric thought patterns fuel by fear and ignorance that is encouraged by our leader we will continue to be the slow sibling to the rest of the country. What kills me is somehow we take pride in this like a drunk yelling at the moon. We had a golden age in Atlanta, and the state, now we have loss that edge, even to other southern states that are more progressive and don’t see ghost at every turn.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
11:25 am

Mr Kent argued that US states did not compete enough with each other to attract businesses while Chinese provinces were clamouring to draw investment from international companies. Meanwhile, he said, China’s budget discipline and rapid economic growth made it an appealing place to set up operations.

What Mr. Kent should’ve said is, “We Like China because we get to use their citizens as if they were slaves. We get to pollute their air, water and fields, making millions of Chineese people sick, and the government just let us!! God Bless China!!”

getalife

September 29th, 2011
11:25 am

Economy grew 1.3 %

Get the gop out of the way and we are back in business.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
11:25 am

As soon as somebody proposes that idea, EJ, you can attack it. For the moment, though, the discussion is about a minimum wage level that is lower today than it has been for most of the post WWII period.

jm

September 29th, 2011
11:25 am

DDR 11:16 – so you’re saying the black community is living in the 60’s, 70’s, and early 80’s still?

Fair point to an extent.

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
11:25 am

EJ Moosa – “And if minimum wage increases had no impact on employment, then there would be no negative impact if we were to raise it another 40% from here, right Bookman?”

Maybe a compromise? CEO will take a 40% reduction in pay from $20,000,000 to $12,000,000 annually and the minimum wage worker will increase 40% from $7.25 per hour to $10.15 per hour or $15,080.00 to $21,112.00 annually. Wait, which employee is costing the organization more?

jm

September 29th, 2011
11:27 am

Jay 11:25 – some recent research suggests that raising the minimum wage would do very little harm to the economy overall…. but don’t know where it is now (saw it a few weeks ago)

MountainMan

September 29th, 2011
11:27 am

Jay @ 11:14

While companies do want a liveable city they also want lower costs. That is why most wall street firms set up their back room shops across the river in New Jersey (which attracted them with electronic infrastructure). While New Jersey is high, it is cheaper than Manhattan. When the high paid employees retire or no longer tied to headquarters they leave Manhattan for Florida or other low tax states. Why aren’t they coming to Georgia? Probably because our tax rates are still to high relative to other states.

Joe COOL

September 29th, 2011
11:28 am

“Well, Bismark, ND has the lowest unemployment rate in the nation”

Using Logic 88 line, “Thats more change we can believe in”

Steve - USA

September 29th, 2011
11:29 am

I don’t understand why everyone seems to group the small business owner that owns a pizza shop or a plumbing business into the same category as a Multi-National. Why is everything all or nothing. Why not keep the Bush/Obama tax cuts for under say $2 million and raise the taxes on the larger earners.

jm

September 29th, 2011
11:29 am

“Atlanta’s inept mayoral leadership.”

I’d take issue with that on the current guy. Campbell was a nightmare and Franklin pretty incompetent…. but Reed is doing a pretty darn good job especially given the circumstances.

md

September 29th, 2011
11:29 am

Where is Sooth?

“Al Qaeda slams Iran for peddling 9/11 conspiracy theories”

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/al-qaeda-slams-iran-peddling-9-11-conspiracy-183407514.html

getalife

September 29th, 2011
11:30 am

The gop are the over regulation standing in the way of our recovery.

Our President needs a new house.

Lets give him one.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
11:30 am

Sounds like Delhi or Mumbai. And I know plenty of westerners going there….. good opportunities. US, not as much.

Right, jm. So, how many people in Delhi and Mumbai would die to come HERE, vs. these “plenty of westerners” going THERE. What’s the ratio, do you think?

100 to one?

1,000 to one?

10,000 to one?

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
11:31 am

“Our President needs a new house.

Lets give him one.”

We finally agree on something, getalife. Obama doesn’t need to be in the White House anymore. Let’s get him a new house…how about one in Chicago?

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
11:32 am

I love watching libs protecting Soros, the man who made much of his billions selling arms to third world dictators.

So the rich isn’t really evil if they just pour their money into the Democratic causes.

godless heathen

September 29th, 2011
11:32 am

Hootinanny Yum Yum
September 29th, 2011
11:24 am

Yes Hoot, and every one of those instances you cited can be laid squarely at the feet of the GOP that doesn’t like people of color. [sarcasm]

cranky old man

September 29th, 2011
11:32 am

Well, I don’t use self-serve check-out lines in supermarkets. But when I’m buying gas, I take note of which stations have pay-at-the pump that actually works and prints out a receipt. If pay-at-the pump doesn’t work, I drive to another station. I can’t stand having to walk inside and stand in line behind people trying to cash in their scratch-offs so they can buy a pack of smokes and a 40.

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
11:33 am

Steve – USA – “I don’t understand why everyone seems to group the small business owner that owns a pizza shop or a plumbing business into the same category as a Multi-National. Why is everything all or nothing. Why not keep the Bush/Obama tax cuts for under say $2 million and raise the taxes on the larger earners.”

Probably because of guys like John Fleming who cry poverty because he needs $200,000 just to feed his family.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
11:33 am

Libertarian — “Well, Bismark, ND has the lowest unemployment rate in the nation and they have a Republican Governor and predominantly Republican legislators. That pretty much blows your “theory” out of the water.”

They also have the only state-run bank in the entire Union, which means a libertarian like yourself shouldn’t be citing them as a paragon of How To Do Things Right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_North_Dakota

jm

September 29th, 2011
11:34 am

But when President Barack Obama told a gala dinner of the Congressional Black Caucus over the weekend that it was time to “stop complaining, stop grumbling, stop crying” and get to work, he instead gave new ammunition to some prominent African American critics who say the nation’s first black president gets tough only when he’s talking to other black people.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64680.html#ixzz1ZM8cPTEO

Three of the most prominent of them – Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.), Princeton professor Cornel West and talk show host Tavis Smiley – all criticized the speech, with Smiley setting the tone with his question: “How does he get away with saying this to black folk?”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64680.html#ixzz1ZM8hSPNO

Jay

September 29th, 2011
11:34 am

So Steve, your cutoff for a pizza-shop owner or plumbing business owner is an annual, after-deductions income of $2 million?

Those “monkeys with a wrench” are doing better than I thought.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
11:35 am

DebbieDoRight

You have no clue as to the real Southern Strategy

Ever heard of the Three A’s?

Abortion Acid and Amnesty (for prisoners, not illegal aliens.)

THAT was what Nixon used to win the election. The southern, conservative population ate it up and it had nothing to do with race.

You really should start fact checking those liberal sites. they are lying to you.

EJ Moosa

September 29th, 2011
11:36 am

Refusing to answer the question Jay says a lot.

But I can understand why you chose not to answer it.

You don’t like the truth.

No Artifical Flavors

September 29th, 2011
11:37 am

The arguments on this blog are far too simplistic in comparing Ga republicans with Tx republicans and linking the blame to job decline to having republican next to a name. Ga republicans are far more homogenous than Texas republicans. I’ve met many moderate Texas republicans from both suburban and rural areas that carry a healthy appreciation of state government investment in their areas. Some of these republicans are ‘gasp’ Hispanics. Ga republicans are pretty much anti everything to pander to their lowest common denominator constituents but are all secretly businessmen that love state investment in roads and such in their districts.
As far as throwing the race card around, about the only good place that halfway stands up is in the debate about bringing MARTA to Gwinnett and Cobb. As jay has mentioned here before, check out DC metro before forming an opinion based on the transit bringing thugs into suburbia. I lived in DC and saw no such thing. The eastern green line riders from the mlk/malcom x blvd areas never rode all the way out to Reston or chevy chase.

TaxPayer

September 29th, 2011
11:37 am

How’s the jobless claims doing. Are people finally starting to take those minimum wage jobs and just working twice as many hours to help offset the difference. Whatever it takes to keep the job creators happy.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
11:37 am

I love watching certain cons lie about Soros’ past just to feel better about their putrid ideology.

(And pretend they are NOW outraged over the gazillion dollar of sales and giveaways of US armaments around the globe.)

jm

September 29th, 2011
11:37 am

Jay 11:30 dunno

But I do know plenty of people that could work in NY, ATL, SF, going overseas instead. Can’t blame them…..

But in a way, what you’re saying is: this country is great for people who are really poor, and if it stinks for people that are wealthier, or have more intellectual capital, then so what. Let them take their intellectual capital elsewhere, we don’t need it.

I’m assuming you’re going to say I’m misreading your statement. But that is at its core.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
11:38 am

GLL — “I love watching libs protecting Soros, the man who made much of his billions selling arms to third world dictators.”

Bob, dodge and weave.

Soros = Nazi

Mr. Ratzinger, who was a member of the Hitler Youth and the Luftwaffe youth auxiliary = not.

Got it.

Pathetic, GLL. Really pathetic.

The Thin Guy

September 29th, 2011
11:38 am

If you want to see Jay Bookman’s economic theories in action take a look at Illinois

http://illinoispolicy.org/blog/blog.asp?ArticleSource=4429

Their legislature has raised taxes on everything that can be taxed and their economy is in the tank. Many businesses who’ve been there for decades are considering moving to Indiana to escape the horrendous taxes. Same for California. And New York.

Actually, I’d like to see some of my taxes go up. Due to the insightful, brilliant economic leadership of The Messiah my house is now worth 2/3 of what I paid for it. Another 4 years of him and my mailbox will be worth more than my house. At least when the Post Office goes belly up Dekalb County won’t be able to mail me by tax statements and water bills.

Well time to go to work to earn enough spondulicks to pay my taxes to support Jay Bookman’s vision of a perfect world.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
11:39 am

GLL, if you actually knew what you were talking about instead of just copying and pasting things you don’t understand, you’d know that amnesty referred to Vietnam draft dodgers, not to prisoners.

Doggone/GA

September 29th, 2011
11:40 am

“Why not keep the Bush/Obama tax cuts for under say $2 million and raise the taxes on the larger earners.”

Wealth envy! ;-)

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
11:40 am

As for Atlanta, what do you suggest the solution is? B/c I just flat out don’t know. Lowering taxes doesn’t seem to work but raising taxes in a down economy doesn’t make sense.

The Feds are not talking about raising taxes on Joe Blow; they’re talking about leveling taxes on Corporations (who claim they are “people”), the affluent, etc. If everyone, i repeat, EVERYONE pays their fair share, there’s a chance we can decrease the deficit and bring America back to prosperity.

And the “EVERYONE” is not just Middle America. We’ve already seen time and time again that corporations are not feeling the effects of this downed economy, so, IMO, I feel that if they wish to continue to enjoy the benefits of being an American based corporation, then they should ante up like the rest of us.

And maybe a few will move to China, or some 3rd world country. But in those countries they have the fear of that country taking over their assets and company and claiming it for themselves. That won’t happen here. And before you bring up “government motors”, please remember that the US gave them a LOAN that they asked for and repaid; there wasn’t any takeover.

Steve - USA

September 29th, 2011
11:41 am

Jay – I was just throwing a number out there to illustrate that everything doesn’t need to be yes or no. There should be some reasonable common ground.

Frankly I don’t know where that dividing line will be to raise taxes.without hurting small business hiring.

BTW – I am thinking of upgrading our master bathroom and the labor alone on replacing the faucets was $85 each so I think Plumbers (I wouldn’t call them Monkeys) are doing quite well. :)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
11:41 am

When GLL can’t defend his nonsense, he deflects to the next claim. Shameless but all part of his tactics as he tells others how they should have shame.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
11:41 am

Illinois unemployment: 9.9%
Georgia unemployment: 10.2%

Chicago job change: +11,700
Atlanta job change: -30,800

TaxPayer

September 29th, 2011
11:42 am

I love watching libs protecting Soros, the man who made much of his billions selling arms to third world dictators.

Were those male arms. Female arms. Human arms. Ape arms. Come on now, GLL. You can spin better than that, can’t you.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
11:43 am

jm: DDR 11:16 – so you’re saying the black community is living in the 60’s, 70’s, and early 80’s still?

I’m saying we aren’t fools. We know the difference between rain and someone pizzing on us and calling it rain. Grow up.

Aquagirl

September 29th, 2011
11:43 am

Clayton County Sheriff’s Office goat rope surrounding Victor Hill.

I know you find guys like Victor Hill and Vernon Jones extra-skeery because of some unknown variable. (/sarcasm) But both were tossed out of office 2-3 years ago.

I’m sure people currently holding office…like say, our fine elected Republican Jack Murphy have nothing to do with the collapse. Why, he’s only defaulted on numerous loans and being sued by the FDIC. The fact that Georgia leads the nation in bank failures has NOTHING to do with our financial crisis. It’s all due to some skeery dark folk who still haunt the corners of your little mind.

Streetracer

September 29th, 2011
11:46 am

Since infrastructure and education are two of the three most fundemental responsibilities of local and state government, what have goovernments been doing with all the taxes they collect? Seems to me that one should fund responsibilities before anything else.

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
11:46 am

For those who say that the minimum wage is killing jobs, I’ll use my CEO scenario to do the math.

Minimum Wage Worker = 7.25 per hour or $290.00 per week.

CEO = $9,615.38 per hour or $384,615.38 per week.

You’re right, I’m sold. What can I do to help lower the minimum wage in this country so we can finally get people back to work?

Jm

September 29th, 2011
11:46 am

Politico

Alan Simpson slams Obama

“abrogation of leadership, a vacancy of leadership”

Amen

Jay

September 29th, 2011
11:46 am

jm, you just compound BS with BS, don’t you?

All those well-educated computer programmers in Delhi and Mumbai, all those folks with medical degrees trying desperately to come here because we so mistreat smart and intelligent people.

I don’t even know why I bother with you anymore, it’s just ridiculous.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
11:47 am

Jay

Ahhh so you know that the real Southern Strategy was about the three A’s just like I said, but said nothing to Debbie.

That fairness thing is just a shinin’ up in here today, Jay.

I unlike you, lived in the South during Segregation. I was a Republican when my friends went to Chicago in 1968 and got the hell beat out of them for protesting the Democratic National Convention. I marched with my Black friends against the racist Democrats that ran my town.

You can ignore misleading statements and overt racism all you want. You can nit pick single lines out of my posts to attack all you want. It’s your blog.

So have at it, Jay. I just can’t wait for your next sanctimonious speech about how you try to be fair to everyone.

Joe COOL

September 29th, 2011
11:48 am

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
11:43 am

:-) lol

Puzzled

September 29th, 2011
11:48 am

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
11:24 am
Got any news on Gwinnett Counties land deals or lack of minorities on their school board, local government or Walton EMC board? Would love to hear it.

Adam

September 29th, 2011
11:49 am

Recon: I’m sorry but you don’t have any real solutions just lemming aid induced delusions

So you don’t offer a solution, and yet criticize me for not having one that is, in your narrow view, “real”?

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
11:49 am

GLL: THAT was what Nixon used to win the election. The southern, conservative population ate it up and it had nothing to do with race. You really should start fact checking those liberal sites. they are lying to you.

GLL I use something to check my facts that you’ve probably never heard of. It’s called a History Book. Thans for playing though.

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
11:49 am

Don’t be afraid to say revolution — Cornell West

Jm

September 29th, 2011
11:49 am

Jay

Sure plenty of them are smart

That’s what happens when you have a population of a billion or so

But many of them elect to return after getting their education here, because of a poor business climate

Some will stay though, thank heavens

Peter

September 29th, 2011
11:49 am

The government can create jobs with infrastructure rebuilding…..Seems like a logical place to start.

Too bad the crap Georgia GOP comes up with is Toll Roads that cost more than they are suppose to help !

Matti's Open Eyes

September 29th, 2011
11:50 am

Nice breakdown, Mr. Bookman!

This *bleep* we’re getting from our current one-party, “gubmint sucks and we’re gonna prove it” rule simply IS NOT WORKING FOR US. On the up side, it’s working out well for many of our elected officials, who have optimized their mutual back-scratching positions to feather their own nests while ours blow away in the wind. Instead of We’re glad Georgia’s on your mind! the sign should read: Welcome to Georgia! Some people matter; most of you don’t. (If you have to ask which group you’re in, it’s the second one.)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
11:52 am

So now GLL is a freedom fighter from the 1960’s while these day he rants about “black toward white racism”? I do believe this is another fictional creation from the GLL on the lines of his “I am a political blog virgin vs. I am a Republican campaign mucky muck” depending on the day of the week posts.

Adam

September 29th, 2011
11:53 am

poison pen: There are other states that have lost funds also and you don’t see the teachers leaving and you don’t see the poor press about their scandals.

This is actually not true. The teachers are being fired (not leaving) and there are scandals in other places. Not ALL places, but most. The places that don’t have problems are typically the ones that rely on property taxes in wealthy areas. Which goes right back to the funding point.

Corey

September 29th, 2011
11:53 am

(I)rational, go back and look at the crime statistics for Atlanta when the region was booming economically. Your argument just does not hold up.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
11:53 am

DebbieDoRight

Which history book is that?

I have a collection of Nixon election Posters. It’s not out of a book, its the actual posters. Gosh, which would I trust more?

Jm

September 29th, 2011
11:55 am

Jay. Be honest.

You have no idea what % of immigrants who come here for an education subsequently stay or leave. And neither do I.

But I’m glad to know you agree with America bring a great place to come if you’re really really poor. Unless you want to argue somehow Indians are rich on average.

Matti's Open Eyes

September 29th, 2011
11:55 am

I have a collection of Nixon election Posters.

Am I the only one who shudders from the sheer creepiness of hearing that?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 29th, 2011
11:57 am

Well, it takes time for Trickle Down to work. Besides, this area’s been in the dumps ever since Those People took over Atlanta. We had it pretty good back when the mayor and the police chief were White. It’s no wonder the area lost 30,000 jobs. Good people don’t want to live and work in a place they can’t run. They probly moved to those places where there was job growth. And taxes here is sky-high.

Anyhow, Bookman don’t want to hear the Truth.

Have a good day everybody.

Steve - USA

September 29th, 2011
11:57 am

I am a little bummed out, I thought the blog today would be about suspending the next elections.:)

GT

September 29th, 2011
11:57 am

Georgia has no voice to bring in business. I wonder when these prospects come to the state if the Georgia representatives don’t let a few remarks slip that indicate you are now entering an idiot zone. I am hearing prospects are appalled by our poor rural education systems in areas near West Point.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
11:58 am

That’s because it’s not an argument, Corey, it’s a sentiment that’s been disguised as an argument.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
11:59 am

Matti’s Open Eyes

Perhaps you should look into what Nixon did before being yet another liberal sheep and demonize the man.

Adam

September 29th, 2011
11:59 am

Peadawg: It’s more around 88-90% but don’t let that get in the way of your racist views and comments.

That is SO MUCH BETTER, thanks.

Steve - USA

September 29th, 2011
12:01 pm

Jm

September 29th, 2011
12:01 pm

You know. If Obama treated all of America the way he treated the CBC, he would either be very popular or very unpopular. I think the former, but hard to know.

I think America would be receptive to a “tough love” message.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
12:02 pm

Jm

September 29th, 2011
12:04 pm

Magic pants has an interview with southern baptist huckabee.

Innerestin

SwedeAtlanta

September 29th, 2011
12:06 pm

Unfortunately for the Atlanta metro area, most of the control over policies and expenditures that could help attract new employers and work with existing employers are in the hands of the legislature and the governor.

Atlanta (with recognition from Deal and the thugs under the Gold Dome) needs to decide what it wants to be in the future. If it wants to become a backwater with high unemployment, decaying neighborhoods, uneducated workforce, ets. rather than the Phoenix of the South, then continue on the current path.

Employers are increasingly decreasing operations here, moving from here or are not relocating here not because of high taxes. They are doing it because the infrastructure is in such poor shape from water and sewer lines to bridges and roads, etc. They are doing it because the skillsets needed for the current competitve global marketplace are waning here as we produce and attract a less educated workforce.

Atlanta lacks vision and the Gold Dome seems intent on ensuring that any visiion it may have is thwarted.

Glad I am within a few years of retirement as I think this is a place I want to be from.

HDB

September 29th, 2011
12:06 pm

Good little liberal
September 29th, 2011
10:54 am

Remember: the CONSERVATIVES prior to 1964were Democrats…but left the Democratic Party….and went to the GOP! NOW, the CONSERVATIVES are REPUBLICAN…but the paradigm is still the same!!

Richard Nixon: Devised the “Southern Strategy” to marginalize the Southern black vote
Ronald Reagan: advocated for segregation in Philadelphia, MS; used the Nixonian “Southern Strategy” to further marginalize the black vote
Jesse Helms: Ran the most racist and devisive campaign against Harvey Gantt….check Helm’s bio and/or wiki for verification…..

jm
September 29th, 2011
10:58 am

“Republicans have been reaching out to the black community consciously and organically. Michael Steele on the deliberate front, and Herman Cain in his own right. If the black community doesn’t reciprocate, then things will just stay as they are…..

When your vote isn’t up for grabs, no one tries to get it. Got it?”

Let’s REALLY analyze this:
IF the GOP had REALLY reached out to the black community, they would hold town meetings IN the community to address issues and present their point! Have yet to see such!
If the GOP had really reached out to the black community, they would start on black college campuses to recruit! Not prevalent yet!!
If the GOP had really reached out to the black community, they would speak TO then…NOT AT THEM!!

In EVERY election…EVERY vote is up for grabs! When you write off an entire segment..you aren’t considering them as CONSTITUENTS….so WHY should an IGNORED constituent for for the party who is doing the IGNORING???
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Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
12:06 pm

DebbieDoRight

You can post all you want. I was there. I lived it.

To try and say that Republicans were the racist during the civil rights movement is nothing less than pure ignorance.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
12:07 pm

GLL @ 11:53 – you’re telling me that you trust a POSTER from a political campaign more than you trust a HISTORY BOOK? Hmmmmmm I’m not sure, but I think I’ve figured out the disconnect in some of your posts. Thanks for clearing that up.

Matti's Open Eyes

September 29th, 2011
12:07 pm

GLL,

You mean like how Nixon started the EPA, was adept at foreign policy, and was ground-breaking in his intitiatives to restore relations with China? Yes, I remember. I also remember how he could have saved tens thousands of American lives by ending our involvement in Vietnam when he was elected instead of waiting to use it as an issue for reelection, and how he put himself above the law and embarrassed himself, his party, and this country with the whole Watergate ugliness. I was a kid, but I remember. Did you have a POINT, or do you just get all hot & bothered from calling people “sheep?”

Joseph

September 29th, 2011
12:08 pm

So the democrat policies on the federal level are working Jay? What about the so called saved and created jobs of the stimulous waste. Its laughable to argue that keeping taxes low for businesses won’t help unemployment. But thats what you missguided fools on the left continue to do. Think about the city and federal government regulations that are being forced on businesses. These entities are run by democraps. As far as transportation goes for Metro Atlanta. Cry me a freaking river! It wouldn’t do me any good so I don’t want my tax dollars going to something that would probably be a fiscal nightmare anyway. I’m just glad to know that Georgia stays within its means when spending my tax dollars unlike many of the so called blue states.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
12:10 pm

@11:43

I loves me some Aquagirl! :D

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
12:11 pm

HDB

“Remember: the CONSERVATIVES prior to 1964were Democrats…but left the Democratic Party….and went to the GOP! NOW, the CONSERVATIVES are REPUBLICAN…but the paradigm is still the same!!”

Perhaps you could name those Democrats that switched Parties after the Civil Rights Movement. There was Strom thurmond and . . . . and . . . and . . . . Want to help me out here?

The Southern Strategy was about appealing to the conservative South with the theme of The Three A’s Abortion, Acid and Amnesty. This racist ting to the Southern Strategy is a recent Democratic invention.

If you go to Wiki to check the definition of Southern Strategy, take a look at this written across the top of the page: The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (July 2011)

Jay

September 29th, 2011
12:14 pm

“Perhaps you could name those Democrats that switched Parties after the Civil Rights Movement. There was Strom thurmond and . . . . and . . . and . . . . Want to help me out here?

Nathan Deal? Sonny Perdue?

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
12:14 pm

Matti’s Open Eyes

Nixon ended the War that the Democrats had started. He had a democratic Congress to convince to end the war which he did.

Watergate was the scandal where Nixon hired independent contractors to break into the DNC headquarters at the Watergate Hotel in order to gather dirt of Democrats. Clinton ordered FBI agents to illegally bring him files on republicans. It was called File Gate.

There were some differences. Nixon committed a misdemeanor. Clinton committed a felony.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
12:15 pm

But many of them elect to return after getting their education here, because of a poor business climate

My friend, Sanjay, told me that he will also return to India when he retires. Why? Is it because of the high taxes, etc., here in America? Not so much. It’s mostly because of cheap, (read living in CARDBOARD homes on the streets) labor – he can get a maid, cook, and nanny for about $50/month. Here it would cost him substantially more because people here don’t wish to live in cardboard.

Good little liberal

September 29th, 2011
12:17 pm

Jay

Deal was first elected to office in 1980.

Purdue . . . 1990

Not exactly big Democrats during the Civil Rights Movement.

RB from Gwinnett

September 29th, 2011
12:18 pm

Gee, whoda thought Jay would make the metro Atlanta’s problems out to be the Republican Governor’s fault?? Shocker there….

I don’t suppose it would do any good to point out that the metro area is primarily controlled by Democrats would it? That between the city of Atlanta, Dekalb, and Fulton counties, you couldn’t find enough elected Republicans to field an NBA team?

If giving all the transportation money from the state to metro Atlanta were the governors job, why are we voting on it as a “region”? And why didn’t the hundred years of democrats in the office before Sonny do that cause I’m pretty sure this problem didn’t start when he took office.

Jay, you’re such a partisan hack. I hope that new editor takes the time to read your blog and figures out 90% of your postings on this blog are from the same 5 tools (who probably work with you) and the rest of us think you’re a big reason the paper is failing.

Matti's Open Eyes

September 29th, 2011
12:19 pm

GLL,

Soooo… no point, then. Just an attempt to paint history with your preferred brush. Got it. (On the other hand, the fact that anybody is still so desperate for material that they’re bringing up “file gate” is HI-LARIOUS!)

Armed Liberal

September 29th, 2011
12:20 pm

Nice to see the “Conservatives” on this blog still know their way to the top of Stone Mountain and can still afford some bleach and starch for their little “costumes”…

Half of you are bigots hiding behind failed theories and the rest of you are just fools.

Please keep it up though. You are the reason Obama and the Dems will win in 2012.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
12:21 pm

getalife

September 29th, 2011
9:54 am

pp,

” Have you been under a rock.”

People are gaming our systems left and right.

We have protestors on Wall Street protesting this fact.

Income equality is horrendous .

Wake up

Getalife, I’m not sure what you are responding to? that being said, I would rather live under a rock than be one, get the point?

Aquagirl

September 29th, 2011
12:21 pm

I loves me some Aquagirl!

Thanks, Joe Mama—and I loves me some posters who are soooooo transparent, they think businesses are afraid of black guys who aren’t even in office, not the State Senate’s lack of concern over their thug Banking Committee Chairman. Or, y’know, our total lack of solutions for transportation and water. They are just SURE that some CEO is as terrified as they are about a Sheriff kicked out of office in 2008, still lurking in those dark (coincidental? I think not!) shadows, waiting to rape their white wimmen or use the same sidewalks as the white folk.

Honestly, it would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. And typical.

Jess

September 29th, 2011
12:22 pm

Not to worry. The beltline and trolley from the King center to the park will get us right back on track.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
12:23 pm

GLL: You can post all you want. I was there. I lived it.

So did a lot of others, AND they wrote things called HISTORY BOOKS to educate youngsters like me about it! :)

To try and say that Republicans were the racist during the civil rights movement is nothing less than pure ignorance.

Ooooo good dodging and weaving!!! Big Ups for trying to obscure what i really was trying to say by bringing in the old “You LIE!” defense!! First, I never said that “republicans were racist during the civil rights era…….blah,blah,blah”; I never even MENTIONED the civil rights era. I did however mention the Southern Strategy, which was a purely racial strategy to gin up the white voter to vote republican.

Now, if you were to read any history book, (i know, God Forbid!! right? :wink: ), you see that those two instances, though linked, were not at the same time in American History.

Good try GLL but you get a FAIL on trying to change the subject. Better luck next time.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
12:23 pm

Lee Atwater, a political strategist for Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, described the Southern Strategy in an anonymous 1981 interview:

“You start out in 1954 by saying, “[Nword x3].” By 1968 you can’t say “[Nword]” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “[Nword, Nword]”
___________________

The Nword is what I substituted for the actual word used…But the racial tinge is a recent fiction of the Dems according to GLL :roll:

HDB

September 29th, 2011
12:23 pm

Good little liberal
September 29th, 2011
11:35 am

GLL…I am a product of the South…raised during the segregation of the 50s….and LIVED through what is being described…with FIRSTHAND knowledge of the Southern Strategy; to explain further — (from wikipedia:):

“In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to the Republican Party strategy of winning elections in Southern states by exploiting anti-African American racism among Southern white voters and appealing to states’ rights. Though the “Solid South” had been a longtime Democratic Party stronghold due to the Democratic Party’s defense of slavery prior to the American Civil War and segregation for a century thereafter, many white Southern Democrats stopped supporting the party following the African-American Civil Rights Movement, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, and desegregation.

The strategy was first adopted under future Republican President Richard Nixon in the late 1960s and continued through the latter decades of the 20th century under presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush.[1] The strategy was successful in achieving its goals; it led to the electoral realignment of Southern states to the Republican Party, but at the expense of losing more than 90 percent of black voters to the Democratic Party. As the 20th century came to a close, the Republican Party began trying to appeal again to black voters, though with little success.[1] During the 2000s decade, Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized for his party’s use of the Southern Strategy in the previous century.”

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
12:24 pm

GLL — “Nixon ended the War that the Democrats had started. He had a democratic Congress to convince to end the war which he did.”

Oh, well, then, you should have no problem with President Obama taking as long to end our involvement in Iraq as President Nixon took to end our involvement in Vietnam.

Oh, Obama’s ahead of the Nixon curve? ;)

“There were some differences. Nixon committed a misdemeanor. Clinton committed a felony.”

So Obstruction of Justice, Abuse of Power and Contempt of Congress = misdemeanors. Didn’t know that.

moonbat betty

September 29th, 2011
12:25 pm

Raise taxes on the wealthy!

That’ll fix it.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
12:26 pm

DebbieDoRight

GLL @ 11:53 –” you’re telling me that you trust a POSTER from a political campaign more than you trust a HISTORY BOOK? Hmmmmmm I’m not sure, but I think I’ve figured out the disconnect in some of your posts. Thanks for clearing that up.”

Debbie, Do you believe everything that you read in History books, Really! they have been distorted, especially about those savage indians that it’s hilarious.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
12:28 pm

Perhaps you could name those Democrats that switched Parties after the Civil Rights Movement

St. Ronnie Of Reagan comes to mind……..

Mick

September 29th, 2011
12:30 pm

gll

Sorry, but the vietnam war ended because congress stopped appropriating money for it – look it up. That’s most likely how our current wars will end when the people have finally had enough. Can’t pay for medicare, can’t fix social security, can’t solve trade issues with china, but we can sure keep on warring…

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
12:30 pm

One of the more laughable aspects of this “Conservatives are the black man’s best friend” argument is that once upon a time there actually were moderate and even liberal (GASP!) Republicans.

No more. No sirree.

Modern day Torquemadas and Purity Tests put an end to that wayward thinking.

Knee pads and complete obeisance to the party machinery are now THE hallmark as the sheep factor COMPLETELY defines that hyper-dysfunctional, homogenous organization of reactionary backwardness…

(See Tom Price as proof.)

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
12:34 pm

Aquagirl — “waiting to rape their white wimmen or use the same sidewalks as the white folk.”

It goes both ways. I’ve been told to “drop the chalupa” while out with my Hispanic wife.

I have no idea why some people freak out so much over skin color.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
12:34 pm

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
12:35 pm

Jay

” Poison pen, if what HDB wrote is BS, then explain Phil Kent to me.”

Explain how an appointment like that doesn’t demonstrate if not an outright animus against racial and ethnic minorities, at least a tolerance for such animus.

If you’re a black kid in Alabama, and you see that a powerful GOP state senator is on tape dismissing black people as aborigines, and yet he remains in office and in leadership, are you going to think that’s a party that respects you and yours?

Jay, I can’t explain him anymore than I can explain Van Jones, I love the way you only see on side on everything.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
12:35 pm

Ike Eisenhower got 39 percent of the black vote in 1956; Nixon got 32 percent in 1960.

In 1964, Goldwater got 6 percent. In 1968 — eight years after pulling 32 percent — Nixon got 3 percent of the black vote.

Wonder what happened in those intervening eight years — you know, those years in which Republicans “were really fighting for civil rights” — that might account for that truly dramatic shift?

And all those Southern states that George Wallace won in ‘68? I take it those were liberals voting for him?

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
12:35 pm

pp: Debbie, Do you believe everything that you read in History books, Really! they have been distorted, especially about those savage indians that it’s hilarious.

You’re right of course pp. From ths day forward I should only believe things that are on POSTERS; because only political POSTERS tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing BUT the truth. Got it!!

PS: Do you ever wonder WHY states like Georgia that cut educational spending is soooo far behind? I mean, if people get their history from POSTERS and not books, do you ask yourself “Why Johnnie Can’t Read?”

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
12:37 pm

Joe Mama

Aquagirl — “waiting to rape their white wimmen or use the same sidewalks as the white folk.”

It goes both ways. I’ve been told to “drop the chalupa” while out with my Hispanic wife.

” I have no idea why some people freak out so much over skin color.”

Jpe, It’s because they’re dyck heads………. good post.

RB from Gwinnett

September 29th, 2011
12:38 pm

How about one of you fine liberals tell us what the black-friendly Obama administration has done for the black community in 2.5 years???

The truth is, they’re being lied to by people who want their votes. They’re still poor and are being left behind in this society regardless of the promises made by Dems. I wonder when they’ll figure out they’re being played?

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
12:38 pm

AmVet – “One of the more laughable aspects of this “Conservatives are the black man’s best friend” argument is that once upon a time there actually were moderate and even liberal (GASP!) Republicans.”

“No more. No sirree.”

“Modern day Torquemadas and Purity Tests put an end to that wayward thinking.”

Quoted for Truth. I was one of those moderate Republicans. But being moderate or collaborative or collegial isn’t considered a virtue in the modern GOP any more. Neither is thinking for yourself or forging your own path. You either fall in line and get in step, or the GOP doesn’t want you today.

Shrug. Message received.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
12:38 pm

What happened to Van Jones, Poison?

Without accepting your false equivalence in the first place, what happened to Jones, and what has happened with Kent?

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
12:40 pm

Debbie, I think there is an old saying, ” Believe half of what you read and nothing of what you see” or something like that.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
12:40 pm

HDB:

Okay, I finally have some time to respond to your post a few pages back.

“Look as to what has occurred since then: conservatives left the Democrats for the GOP, took the racist paradigm with them…and the South became solidly Republican.”

It would appear you are painting with a big brush that conforms to your preconceived notions, which I would say is ironically prejudicial. If you are going see everything TODAY through the prism of the sixties, then what can be said: you are simply close-minded. I would hope that you would not argue that the bulk of Republicans today are operating from a “racist paradigm.” If so, I would contend you are as ignorant of the facts as you would say a white suburbanite is ignorant of inner city
conditions.

“Conservative political strategy: Note – Nixon’s Southern Strategy: methodology to marginalize the Souther black vote; Reagan’s advocacy for “states’ rights”….which in the South is a call for segregation; Bush41’s “Willie Horton” strategy….Jeb Bush’s elimination of black people from Florida’s voting roles.”

Huh??? Boy, you must have crystal ball or something to “know” such things. Some of these claims are ludicrous on their surface. Reagan’s advocacy for “states’ rights”…is a call for segregation? Please tell me you are kidding. What a warped perspective of his motivations! Jeb Bush is married to a Hispanic (like someone I know), but I guess he is secretly racist towards blacks. I guess you would also include GWB in the mix of the Bush “clan” as well (although he sure was clever to refute naysayers by appointing Powell and Rice to SoS). Holy smokes!

“Conservatives’ IGNORING of Urban America: How many conservative candidates have come into the inner city, held town meeting forums to discuss the issues and addressed the needs of that community, and ASKED for my vote?”

I can’t say. I’ve never seen one the times I have been in the inner cities. If you are right, I would concede this is a real problem.

“Conservatives’ portrayal of minorities: Note: Reagan’s “welfare mothers”…..to the numerous statements of conservatives here portraying minorities as “driving Cadillacs and using food stamps”.

Look…at the risk of offending you, people (white, black and Hispanic) are abusing the system. There are IN FACT unwed mothers of multiple children by multiple fathers living off the government. If pointing that out offends you, then I suggest that you are overly sensitive. I am Irish and you know the common joke about my people: that we are drunkards. I wince sometimes, because it’s a racial slight. But you know what – I’m not that way. Are you a church-goer? Read Titus then and see what Paul had to say about the inhabitants of Crete. Did he hate them? No…he was rebuking them.

“Conservatives’ hostility towards public education. The evidence speaks volumes”

Huh? I was once an educator. Conservatives are not hostile towards public education. They are hostile towards expensive and inefficient programs. If you don’t know it, the educational system in America is largely broken. But you know what? I would agree with Bill Bennett (who I think knows something about it and with whom liberals often agree about this subject) that the biggest factor in a successful educational system is PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT. That is something blacks, whites and Hispanics have to do on their own.

“Conservatives’ lack of inclusion. Not just minorities…but those who DON’T think as they do! Just because the TRADITIONS are different makes a person no better or worse! Gay marriage…for one….is de facto legal by LAW (treaty and the 14th Amendment)…but conservatives decry such!!”

Sounds like you have other issues besides the imagined racism of the Republican party. Have you really thought this through? Let’s say we allow gay marriage. Then some people really into beastiality start clamoring for their right to marry their dogs (or whatever)? I bet you would join the Republican party then! See, it’s all about moral standards. Conservatives tend to believe more in absolute standards (even if they are hypocritical and don’t practice them) and liberals tend to believe more in changing standards. The former create all sorts of problems when their standards are wrong in the first place, and the later create all sorts of problems when those standards are right in the first place.

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
12:41 pm

Too much corruption, too much wasteful spending, badly planned transportation projects, too many corrupt black racists mayors that controlled Atlanta giving no bid contracts to their family and friends, corrupt lying democrat bias newspapers like AJC and other media hypocrites. Remember Reed’s election “Get Out the Vote Atlanta and vote for Reed, Don’t let Whitie Win”. Get the homies out of downtown Atlanta politics and put some fresh faces down there.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
12:41 pm

liberal Republicans? — why those are as extinct as the dodo.

Matti's Open Eyes

September 29th, 2011
12:41 pm

AmVet,

Yeppers on the Tom Price reference. Good LORD, he’s awful in every possible definition of the word! (Wanna run against him next year? Please?)

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
12:42 pm

Jay, And please tell me who was the group that called out Van Jones, it sure as hell wasn’t the Dems.

Two wrongs don’t make 1 right, and we will always have nuts in gov’t. and in our country. It doesn’t make it right and I don’t condone it, but I at lease admit it, something you have a hard time doing.

Georgia Native

September 29th, 2011
12:44 pm

Atlanta could burn again and nobody would care! A once great Southern city turned into a International Hell-Hole of a city!!

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
12:44 pm

It goes both ways. I’ve been told to “drop the chalupa” while out with my Hispanic wife.

Dude my husband has blonde hair, blue eyes and looks like Redford. When I’m out with him, some black men loose their minds. Now, these are the SAME black men who may have a white woman by their sides at the time. I’ve been told to “Come Back Sister!!” and one guy threw me out of the WHOLE BLACK RACE!! Dudley and i have learned to ignore them; but at first it was really hard for me because I wanted to apologize for who i loved; but my mother, (who’s a very light Brazilian), told me to tell them all to kiss my azz when they make comments like that to me. These people never bothered Dudley and through him and my mother I’ve learned to not let them bother me.

I have no idea why some people freak out so much over skin color

I think it’s because they have nothing else going on in their lives. I mean if they get their history from POSTERS…. :)

Just kidding GLL — not a dig at you. Honest.

Jefferson

September 29th, 2011
12:44 pm

The state gov’t has a part, but the biggest part of the unemployment in GA is lack of income growth over the last 10 years. Now that trickled down…

Josh M

September 29th, 2011
12:45 pm

What misleading data. By population percentage, the Kansas City metro region (pop 2 million) lost more jobs than Atlanta (pop 5.3 million). By a lot.

Atlanta’s bond rating has been ‘A’ since 2009 due to operating deficits and spending, and you are blaming job losses on low spending? It’s almost as if you’re serious! “If only government spent more, Atlanta would be overrun with jobs!”

I find it amusing when liberals try their hand at statistics and economics. A journalist earns a state college degree in history, and suddenly we have another Paul Krugman!

larry

September 29th, 2011
12:46 pm

Atlanta leading the nation in job losses in metro areas really isnt a suprise when you think about it. 49 straight months the unemployment rate has been higher than the national rate, billions and billions cut from education, transportation is a mess, our quality of life is slowly eroding away……..

Sure , there has been some glimmers of hope but its funny with all the tax breaks and credits and advantages that the state is offering , no one wants to come.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
12:47 pm

RB: How about one of you fine liberals tell us what the black-friendly Obama administration has done for the black community in 2.5 years???

Last I heard Obama was the President of the UNITED States of America. Not just black america.

HDB

September 29th, 2011
12:47 pm

Good little liberal
September 29th, 2011
12:14 pm

“Nixon committed a misdemeanor”

You need to quit attempting to revise history!! Here’s what Nixon was charged with:

http://watergate.info/impeachment/impeachment-articles.shtml

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
12:47 pm

RB from Gwinnett

How about one of you fine liberals tell us what the black-friendly Obama administration has done for the black community in 2.5 years???

” The truth is, they’re being lied to by people who want their votes. They’re still poor and are being left behind in this society regardless of the promises made by Dems. I wonder when they’ll figure out they’re being played?”

RB, If they all think like Getalife, never.

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
12:48 pm

…too many corrupt black racists mayors…[...] Get the homies out of downtown Atlanta …

There’s your sign.

Oy to the vey!

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
12:49 pm

RB — “How about one of you fine liberals tell us what the black-friendly Obama administration has done for the black community in 2.5 years???”

How about trying to pass healthcare reform? How about trying to keep the economy afloat? If President Obama did something *specifically aimed* at helping African-Americans, your party would lose its collective MIND.

He’s not the Black President. He’s the American President (who just happens to *be* black). :roll:

“The truth is, they’re being lied to by people who want their votes. They’re still poor and are being left behind in this society regardless of the promises made by Dems. I wonder when they’ll figure out they’re being played?”

You know, a good start for the GOP would be not demagoguing minorities and the poor. Maybe if your party would stop blaming the poor, the minorities, the disadvantaged, the struggling — THEN maybe you could peel off votes from those communities in greater numbers.

But when your outreach program happens for maybe two weeks a year and the rest of the time you’re slagging on those selfsame people, don’t expect them to forget it.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
12:50 pm

DBCOOPER

September 29th, 2011
12:50 pm

Atlanta Metro area is in the shape it’s in because of George W Bush.

Hey it works for Obama? I’m just saying.

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
12:51 pm

“Last I heard Obama was the President of the UNITED States of America. Not just black america.”

I 100% agree. Tell that to the Black Caucus or whatever they’re called though.

Jm

September 29th, 2011
12:52 pm

Jay I’m speculating but I bet one can find data showing a decline in immigration applications

DBCOOPER

September 29th, 2011
12:52 pm

I wonder how many of those that suffer from this economical tragedy , will vote for four more years of it?

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
12:54 pm

D. DoRight — “but my mother, (who’s a very light Brazilian), told me to tell them all to kiss my azz when they make comments like that to me.”

My wife and I love Brazilian food; it’s substantial, tasty and often a good value at little lunch counters. And the people-watching is *fantastic;* many of the women in those places are absolutely gorgeous. My wife pointed out a woman who was about four shades darker than her but with *green* eyes (and they didn’t look like contacts).

I don’t know it for a fact, but I think Brazilians are a lot less hung up on race than Americans tend to be. Anyhow, my wife says that in a few centuries, everyone’s going to be her color, so it was smart of me to get down with the brown early on. :D

SwedeAtlanta

September 29th, 2011
12:55 pm

DBCOOPER, the sheep will vote to leave the governor’s office and the state Houses and Senate in Republican hands. No question about it cuz they are against taxes and fags and love them sum Jesus and guns!!!

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
12:58 pm

Matti, I understand that Chambliss, Westmoreland, Gingrey, Broun, et al are just knuckle dragging neanderthals.

But the frustrating thing about Price is that he has always struck me as someone who is actually intelligent and likely a good guy.

But when he puts his Republican underwear on, he instantly turns into just another of the sycophantic, claptrap dispensing miscreants.

The man has no balls.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
12:59 pm

Debbie, I think there is an old saying, ” Believe half of what you read and nothing of what you see” or something like that.

Sigh. Actually it’s “Believe half of what you see and none of what you HEAR”. I bet you got that other rendition from a poster didn’t ya? :)

PDawag: 100% agree. Tell that to the Black Caucus or whatever they’re called though.

I have. BTW if you’re in a mood for a fight and have no one to fight with, find a couple of blogs about Maxine Waters, (Dem California), and her supporters. Talk about some good fighting!!! Her supporters are totally illogical and swear that she’s the best thing since sliced bread. I always have a good time over there arguing with the intellectually challenged.

Mick

September 29th, 2011
1:00 pm

rb

What exactly are the repubs offering black voters to cross over? Tax cuts…

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:00 pm

AmVet — “Chambliss, Westmoreland, Gingrey, Broun, et al are just knuckle dragging neanderthals.”

I will grudgingly admit that Chambliss has been a friend to farmers. He seems to stick up for them, even when it’s against the GOP’s position.

But after how he slagged on Max Cleland to get elected, I will *never* vote for that man. He could personally save me and my wife from a house fire and I still wouldn’t shake his hand.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
1:01 pm

Jay @ 12:50 – You.Are.So.BAAAADDDD. GLL is gonna loose his lunch now just because of you!

MiltonMan

September 29th, 2011
1:02 pm

Oh yes we have suffered mightly at the hands of Perdue & now Deal.

I can imagine how great this state would be if we only elected the clowns like loser Roy Rat Barnes, Jimbo Martin or the retread-Barnes yet again.

GA dems do us a favor and start electing someone who could actually have a slight chance of winning. Which clown are you going to elect as the next sacrifical lamb? Let me guess: “Barnes 2014!”

Peadawg

September 29th, 2011
1:02 pm

“Sigh. Actually it’s “Believe half of what you see and none of what you HEAR”. I bet you got that other rendition from a poster didn’t ya? ”

I’m pretty sure it was another Bushism along the lines of “Fool me once…” :) .

Aquagirl

September 29th, 2011
1:04 pm

Have you really thought this through? Let’s say we allow gay marriage. Then some people really into beastiality start clamoring for their right to marry their dogs

If that’s the result of your “thinking through” gay marriage, you may want to keep it to yourself. Don’t project your desire to marry your dog onto gay people.

Your bizarre fetish for Rover is not their issue.

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
1:05 pm

Mick: “What exactly are the repubs offering black voters to cross over? Tax cuts…”

They offer them: conservative ideology!!!

Namely, stick a finger in the eye of your more righteous-than-though, supposedly more gullible herd-following brother. Herman Cain style (I’ve risen to the top of the corporate food chain (no pun) and so can you if you just stop whining and pull yourself up by your bootstraps).

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:06 pm

MiltonMan — “I can imagine how great this state would be if we only elected the clowns like loser Roy Rat Barnes, Jimbo Martin or the retread-Barnes yet again.”

I think the only candidates WORSE than Deal last year (and did that wackjob Neal Horsley try to run again?) were Oxendine and McBerry. I wouldn’t be happy with Karen Handel, but at least she didn’t have to GTFO of Washington in the middle of the night ahead of a Congressional ethics charge.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
1:06 pm

JoeM: I don’t know it for a fact, but I think Brazilians are a lot less hung up on race than Americans tend to be.

That’s because of years & years of the swirl. :) Most Brazilian families are a lot like my family, they come in all shades. From Mocha like me to blonde hair and brown eyes like my sister.

Anyhow, my wife says that in a few centuries, everyone’s going to be her color, so it was smart of me to get down with the brown early on

Your wife is a genius!! Make sure you tell her that often.

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
1:07 pm

SwedeAtlanta, Go back under the rock you came from in the northern frozen lands of Europe. You liberal socialist political Correctness liars are the problem with the World Today. As for sheep just look to the democrats for that. Not one of you democrat sissies have the backbone to confront Obama and his failed policies.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
1:07 pm

“If that’s the result of your “thinking through” gay marriage, you may want to keep it to yourself. Don’t project your desire to marry your dog onto gay people. Your bizarre fetish for Rover is not their issue.”

Is that all you have AQ – a childish ad hominem attack? Really? I guess I pegged you for being a bit smarter than that. Oh well…

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
1:08 pm

Your bizarre fetish for Rover is not their issue.

Zoophilia in the afternoon.

MiltonMan

September 29th, 2011
1:08 pm

Libs on here bashing GA reps while at the same time driving around in “cash for clunkers” trade-in covered in “Hope & Change” and “Hank Johnson was right about Guam tipping over” bumper stickers.

Classic!

Jay

September 29th, 2011
1:10 pm

“What misleading data. By population percentage, the Kansas City metro region (pop 2 million) lost more jobs than Atlanta (pop 5.3 million). By a lot.”

Wrong. If KC were Atlanta’s size, its equivalent job loss would be 33,920, compared to 30,800 for Atlanta. That’s not a lot. It’s actually very little. So congratulations, you’ve now succeeded in proving that Atlanta is only a close second to the worst in almost 400 metro areas.

If that makes you feel better about the situation, I’m glad.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
1:10 pm

Joe Mama, ditto. The ONLY one. Hell, I’d even shake George’s hand if he offered it to me. (I’d then wipe my hand repeatedly on Bill Clinton’s shirt!)

Like Bro SoCo wrote last night – Suxbee (my choice of words) is lower than an ant turd.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
1:10 pm

Funny how homosexual acts can lead to beastality as the “slippery slope” but never heterosexual…..

Let’s say we allow gay straight marriage. Then some people really into beastiality start clamoring for their right to marry their dogs

Why I do declare….any type of marriage may just lead straight into beastality….

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:11 pm

TruthBe @ 1:07pm (pointing, laughing) :D

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
1:12 pm

If that’s the result of your “thinking through” gay marriage, you may want to keep it to yourself. Don’t project your desire to marry your dog onto gay people.

I will never undersand people’s hang up about gay marriage. I mean, do they think it’s a disease they can catch like, Gaymarriageitis or something? Will they wake up one day with an uncontrolable urge to marry a gay person? Their fear makes ZERO sense to me.

Logic 101 For Liberals

September 29th, 2011
1:12 pm

“Is that all you have AQ – a childish ad hominem attack? Really? I guess I pegged you for being a bit smarter than that. Oh well…”

It seems so, Straw…there are few libs here that can argue a case to save their lives. I guess they never left the playground.

SwedeAtlanta

September 29th, 2011
1:13 pm

TruthBe

First of all I was born and raised in America but I have Scandinavian lineage.

Guess what? The Swedish economy is in so much better shape that the U.S. we could actually learn something from them. They have a booming free-market economy. Their people are highly educated and secondary education is free or affordable for just about anyone in the country. They have some of the best healthcare in the world

The idiots under the Gold Dome will continue to keep their heads in the sand with lower taxes, hating blacks and fags and loving them sum killin of potentially innocents by lethal injection, paying lip service to Jesus and sleeping with their guns.

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
1:13 pm

OH NOES! NOT THE AD HOMINEM ATTACK AND PASSIVE/AGGRESSIVE CARDS!

I’m melting…melting…melting….

Libertarian

September 29th, 2011
1:13 pm

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
11:33 am

Here we go again with telling me what a “libertarian” should and should not write on the blog. I really get under your skin with my moniker, huh?

MiltonMan

September 29th, 2011
1:14 pm

Recently spotted:

“Reed for GA Gov: He will do for GA what he has done for ATL”

Which is what exactly?

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
1:15 pm

Strawman

That’s really all he needs.

Over the years (right here on this very blog) it has been painfully obvious that the only folks who think about marrying their dog or goat or horse are right wingers.

Really and Truly.

My position on that remains unchanged.

Let me do the catering.

Libertarian

September 29th, 2011
1:16 pm

Its the left’s fault! No, its the right’s fault!!

That pretty much sums up what is wrong with our country.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:17 pm

D. DoRight — “I mean, do they think it’s a disease they can catch like, Gaymarriageitis or something?”

Teh S00p@r-ghey. :D

MountainMan

September 29th, 2011
1:18 pm

No artificial Flavors

As far as throwing the race card around, about the only good place that halfway stands up is in the debate about bringing MARTA to Gwinnett and Cobb. As jay has mentioned here before, check out DC metro before forming an opinion based on the transit bringing thugs into suburbia. I lived in DC and saw no such thing. The eastern green line riders from the mlk/malcom x blvd areas never rode all the way out to Reston or chevy chase.

Go ask the Lennox Square merchants how their customer mix changed when the Lenox MARTA station opened.

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
1:18 pm

Libertarian: “Its the left’s fault! No, its the right’s fault!!

That pretty much sums up what is wrong with our country.”

You’re only half right.

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
1:18 pm

So the “CITY” run by Democrats has lost jobs and it is the state run by Republicans fault! Maybe those high taxes and poor city services, rotten schools and high crime rates would cause business to locate to the burbs instead of the city. Nah. People like crappy schools, pot hole filled streets , high taxes and crime. Just can’t understand it.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
1:19 pm

“I will never undersand people’s hang up about gay marriage. I mean, do they think it’s a disease they can catch like, Gaymarriageitis or something?”

One principal concern for me is the potential deleterious effects upon children they raise. And don’t tell me about these liberal “studies” that suggest their is none. If you get upset that there have not been long term studies or drugs that have proved to be harmful to people over time, then you should have the same concern for possible psychological and social consequences. If you are unwilling to bet your own life on your staked position is such important matters, then you shouldn’t be so eager to introduce such a huge change.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
1:20 pm

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
1:20 pm

“Just can’t understand it.”

Another painfully obvious statement.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:20 pm

Libertarian — “Here we go again with telling me what a “libertarian” should and should not write on the blog.”

If you’re going to go by “Libertarian” and then hold up the ONLY state in the Union with a state-owned, state-run central bank, then I think I’m well in Entitled To Make Fun Of You territory (laughing) :D

“I really get under your skin with my moniker, huh?”

Not at all! The disconnect between your handle and your stated positions presents me with a juicy, target-rich environment. (giggling) :D

Libertarian

September 29th, 2011
1:21 pm

“You’re only half right.”

And there you have it.

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
1:22 pm

Homosexuality is abomination to the LORD thy GOD. It’s a SIN. JESUS CHRIST the LORD thy GOD said to “Love the Sinner and Hate the Sin”. Nowhere and never does JESUS say to embrace sinful perverted behavior of any kind. Gays need help overcoming their sinful behavior just like any other person having troubles with any kind of sin. We shouldn’t may it OK for this sin to be forced onto society.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:22 pm

Strawman — “One principal concern for me is the potential deleterious effects upon children they raise. And don’t tell me about these liberal “studies” that suggest their is none. If you get upset that there have not been long term studies or drugs that have proved to be harmful to people over time, then you should have the same concern for possible psychological and social consequences. If you are unwilling to bet your own life on your staked position is such important matters, then you shouldn’t be so eager to introduce such a huge change.”

Now I am very interested hearing about your position on anthopogenic climate change. :D

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
1:23 pm

Granny, Are you bringing MilkBones?

Libertarian

September 29th, 2011
1:23 pm

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:20 pm

We were talking about unemployment. And they have the lowest. You know my point was valid even though you won’t admit it. The state bank is completely irrelevant to the argument.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
1:24 pm

Damn Jay…

The menu I could have offered for a fete like that!

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
1:24 pm

One principal concern for me is the potential deleterious effects upon children they raise.

(Sigh) And which “potential deleterious effects” are those?

Libertarian

September 29th, 2011
1:25 pm

“Homosexuality is abomination to the LORD thy GOD. It’s a SIN. JESUS CHRIST the LORD thy GOD said to “Love the Sinner and Hate the Sin”. Nowhere and never does JESUS say to embrace sinful perverted behavior of any kind. Gays need help overcoming their sinful behavior just like any other person having troubles with any kind of sin. We shouldn’t may it OK for this sin to be forced onto society.”

If I knew how to do the eye-roll thing I would.

You know what else is a sin? Judging others…

And all sins are supposedly equal.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:25 pm

TruthBe — “the LORD thy GOD”

Lord YOUR god. You don’t speak for everyone, and a good thing it is, too.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
1:26 pm

PP

Milk Bones for a man/dog wedding?

Only as an appetizer, thay are pretty good with a seasoned cream cheese.

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
1:26 pm

nobody: “LOL funny how it doesn’t seem to stop the horde of mexican invaders from setting up shop here. maybe if someone kicked out the mexifags there would be jobs for americans.”

Care to defend your racism?

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
1:27 pm

TruthBe

Piffle. Sanctimonius piffle.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
1:28 pm

I believe it also says, ” let those without sin throw the first stone” man there are a lot of rocks thrown here, and a few road apples also.

jm

September 29th, 2011
1:28 pm

“The bestiality issue is dismissed here”

rabbit hole

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
1:28 pm

Granny-I have never met anyone who wanted to marry and animal. Must be friends of yours. I do think most pedophiles are liberals. Weiner and that congressman up in Washington come to mind.

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
1:28 pm

SwedeAtlanta, Then you should know better. I come from Danish and German lineage. The idiot racists of the democrat party are so corrupt. Where is your anger about them? The gop are no angels either. Are you bias for the democrats???? Be honest if you can.

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
1:28 pm

If I knew how to do the eye-roll thing I would.

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More here: http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies

jm

September 29th, 2011
1:28 pm

no pun intended…. :)

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:29 pm

Libertarian — “We were talking about unemployment. And they have the lowest.”

I didn’t argue with that.

“You know my point was valid even though you won’t admit it.”

There goes your Windows for Telepaths software again, throwing a General Mindreading Fault. (laughing) :D

“The state bank is completely irrelevant to the argument.”

Are you SURE? (giggling) :D

Do you KNOW what the bank DOES? (laughing) :D

Maybe you need to go do some reading first. Go ahead. I’ll wait. :D

Logic 101 For Liberals

September 29th, 2011
1:29 pm

Wow, straw..after Jay joined the chorus of stupid dissenting voices, i went back and compiled the responses:

AQ
If that’s the result of your “thinking through” gay marriage, you may want to keep it to yourself. Don’t project your desire to marry your dog onto gay people. Your bizarre fetish for Rover is not their issue.

KutGF
Funny how homosexual acts can lead to beastality as the “slippery slope” but never heterosexual…..Why I do declare….any type of marriage may just lead straight into beastality….

GG
That’s really all he needs. Over the years (right here on this very blog) it has been painfully obvious that the only folks who think about marrying their dog or goat or horse are right wingers. Really and Truly. My position on that remains unchanged. Let me do the catering.

JM:
D. DoRight — “I mean, do they think it’s a disease they can catch like, Gaymarriageitis or something?”

Jay:
The bestiality issue is dismissed here:

You’d think they would have something more bright to say. It’s almost like they are group-think zombies or something.

RB from Gwinnett

September 29th, 2011
1:30 pm

“Last I heard Obama was the President of the UNITED States of America. Not just black america.”

So, voting for democrats does NOTHING for them, right? The dems keep promising them the moon and stars, deliver nothing, and the cycle repeats every few years…

So tell us….why should a black person vote for a democrat then?

Waheema

September 29th, 2011
1:30 pm

Not even Bookman is stupid enough to believe that the reason Atlanta is in the dumps is lower taxes and refusal to spend money on transportation. The polls cited by Bookman show that the voters are very willing to spend money on projects that actually relieve congestion. He knows very well that the city of Atlanta was a giant real estate bubble, hardly caused by kowtowing. Of course in Bookman-land we must rewrite history to “prove” the need for more agressive, more “progressive” government.

Can Bookman’s columns get any dimmer?

Liberal Lemming

September 29th, 2011
1:31 pm

“Maybe you need to go do some reading first.”

Gee, JM. Can you teach me how???

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
1:31 pm

Oh lordy, the preachers are coming out….

Jay, great link to the FARM bill….. And lest we forget, after the display on our TVs of that Captain Kirk with alien life forms all over the galaxy, we should also be sure to ban intergalatical species from dating, marrying or having sex. Why its disgusting I tell ya…. imagine sexual relations with a alien life form that looks like, oh, Natalie Portman but with 3 breasts….. that is just sickening.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:31 pm

Righty — “I do think most pedophiles are liberals. Weiner and that congressman up in Washington come to mind.”

You mean Mark Foley? Nope. Republican. (laughing) :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_foley

No Artifical Flavors

September 29th, 2011
1:31 pm

@ mountain man, I’m sure it did change some but don’t forget that the “ghetto” dispersion had occurred throughout Atlanta about the same time as the newer Marta stops. The demolition of public housing had something to do with it as well, however you feel about that topic. The fact is that Atlanta is pretty much a crap city everywhere now as the thug lifestyle and culture is praised by music and tv stars in the area and also some in city leadership over the years. In most other cities there are pretty major diving lines of where the good parts end and the bad parts begin. Not so with Atlanta and I don’t think MARTA is to blame. Look at the degradation of places like lawrenceville that fought to keep MARTA out of Gwinnett. There are clearly other factors at play in the plight of a city.

Sean

September 29th, 2011
1:31 pm

Most of these bloggers are so stupid. Read the article in full before making stupid comments. This does not have to do with having a democrat mayor, the President, nor is this the city of Atlanta’s problem. The fact remains that in 2011 this state and the city of Atlanta/metro, is so far behind the times. Manufacturing and construction is your only bread and butter(give me a break). Where is the technology, research and other professional jobs. Economic development is non existant here because major companies do not want to deal with the problems that Atlanta and the state as a whole have. Poor educational system, racism, traffic problems, and crime to name a few.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
1:31 pm

Joe Mama, Are you sniffing laughing gas today? you sure are giggling a lot.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
1:32 pm

Strawman: One principal concern for me is the potential deleterious effects upon children they raise.

My muched loved and muched spoiled neice (niece?) is a product of such a union. My sister in law is gay and she and her wife gave me the best present EVAH, a beautiful neice to love and cherish. Will she suffer any “delet–whatever” problems growing up? Probably no more than any other kid growing up in a hyper-sexual, MTV, anti-logic, society. But will she have two parents who love her and an aunt who ADORES her to help her along the way? You betcha.

And don’t tell me about these liberal “studies” that suggest their is none. If you get upset that there have not been long term studies or drugs that have proved to be harmful to people over time, then you should have the same concern for possible psychological and social consequences.

There are perhaps millions of people who grew up with a supposedly straight mom and dad and later found out that their parent(s) was gay. Not all of them jumped from buildings in shame, some actually decided to deal with it, still love their parents, and move on with their lives.

If you are unwilling to bet your own life on your staked position is such important matters, then you shouldn’t be so eager to introduce such a huge change

I don’t get that part. How is allowing someone to marry who they love, gay/straight/bisexual “betting” my life on a position?

BTW they (purists) said the same thing about interracial marriage and look what happend — we have an interracial president of the US. Doom, Despair and Agony I know.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
1:32 pm

Mighty Righty

Can’t deal with the fact that only far right folks think about that kinda thing can ya? Too funny.

Well it’s as plain as the snout/muzzle/nose on your face.

Mick

September 29th, 2011
1:34 pm

rb

Why should a person with middle class income vote for a republican? Aren’t they the ones obsessed with protecting the wealthy class?

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:35 pm

L101 — “You’d think they would have something more bright to say. It’s almost like they are group-think zombies or something.”

Said the guy whose post was 90% cut-and-paste. :D

Monomath

September 29th, 2011
1:35 pm

“He could personally save me and my wife from a house fire and I still wouldn’t shake his hand.”

You assume a lot, JM. He may not wish to save you from a fire (for obvious reasons). And if so, he surely would not want to shake you hand.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
1:35 pm

Sean

” Most of these bloggers are so stupid. Read the article in full before making stupid comments. This does not have to do with having a democrat mayor, the President, nor is this the city of Atlanta’s problem. The fact remains that in 2011 this state and the city of Atlanta/metro, is so far behind the times. Manufacturing and construction is your only bread and butter(give me a break). Where is the technology, research and other professional jobs. Economic development is non existant here because major companies do not want to deal with the problems that Atlanta and the state as a whole have. Poor educational system, racism, traffic problems, and crime to name a few.”

Sean, You could honestly say that for just about any state in the union. Racism isn’t one of them however.

GE, Just went to China as did a few other companies, it’s because of cheap labor, low taxes and almost no emission standards.

jm

September 29th, 2011
1:35 pm

is there an upper case JM floating around here?

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:36 pm

L. Lemming — “Gee, JM. Can you teach me how???”

Are you admitting that you’re not equal to the task before you? (laughing) :D

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
1:36 pm

I do think most pedophiles are liberals.

“Don’t think, Meat. ~Crash in Bull Durham

#Republican U.S. Justice Department official John David R. Atchison, 53, an assistant U.S. attorney from the northern district of Florida, has been arrested on suspicion of traveling to Detroit over the weekend to have sex with a 5 year old child. An undercover officer posed as a mother offering her child to Atchison for sex, according to police. In deposition, detectives said Atchison suggested the mother tell her daughter that “you found her a sweet boyfriend who will bring her presents.”

The undercover detective expressed concern about physical injury to the 5-year-old girl as a result of the sexual activity. Detectives said Atchison responded, ” I am always gentle and loving; not to worry, no damage ever, no rough stuff ever. I only like it soft and nice.” The undercover detective asked how Atchison can be certain of no injury. He responded, “Just gotta go slow and very easy. I’ve done it plenty,” according to detectives.

# Republican city councilman John Bryan killed himself after police began investigating allegations that he had molested three girls, including two of his adopted daughters, ages 12 and 15.

# The former head of the Michigan Federation of Young Republicans, Michael Flory, admitted Tuesday
that he sexually abused a colleague during a national convention in Cleveland last summer
pleaded guilty to sexual battery on the day his rape trial was to begin.

#Brian J. Doyle, the Deputy Press Secretary for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Public Affairs in Washington, was arrested on 23 Polk County charges related to the use of a computer to seduce a child and transmitting harmful materials to a minor. 7 counts Use of a Computer to Seduce a Child, and 16 counts of Transmission of Harmful Material to a Minor.

#Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after “sexually explicit” e-mails
surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year-old boy.

#Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year-old girl on the Internet.

#Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year-old girl.

#Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an
8-year-old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

#Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year-old girl and was sentenced to 10 years’ probation.

#Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year-old boy.

#Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.

#Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.

#Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13- and 14-year-old girls.

#Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

#Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year-old girls.

#Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the Internet.

#Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year-old girls.

#Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11
and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

#Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his
daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

#Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy
and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

#Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

#Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year-old girl he murdered.

#Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

#Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years’ probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year-old girl.

#Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year-old black girl, which produced a child.

#Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

#Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

#Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year-old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.

When you’re done reading through those Mighty Wrongly, I’ll be glad to list lots more. Seriously…

Logical Dude

September 29th, 2011
1:36 pm

Strawman: Let’s say we allow gay marriage. Then some people really into beastiality start clamoring for their right to marry their dogs (or whatever)?

Did you REALLY compare two consenting adults to a person and an animal? REALLY?????

REEEEAAAAAALLLLLLYYYYY?????????

MiltonMan

September 29th, 2011
1:36 pm

Swede bragging about Sweden but at the same time avoiding all the negative aspects of such a wonderful country:

(1) No mention of having a low Gini??? For you libs, that is a measurement that you will love – measures the “flatness” of wealth distribution. A low Gini – Sweden has one of the lowest – signifies that wealth distribution is alive & well.
(2) Free education??? I guess you never heard of “nothing is free” before. The “free” education is paid for by high (one of the highest) rates of individual tax liabilities & a VAT tax of 20+%. All children receive “free” meals at school.
(3) Sweden currently has a sitting King which is nothing more than a figure head. Last time I checked, the US won it’s independence from a King.
(4) Sweden is part of the EU. No need to elaborate on that one.
(5) 24 sick days granted to each employee
(6) 80% of all employees are a member of a union
(7) 33% of all employees are employed by the government – federal or local

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
1:36 pm

Joe Mama

90% cut and paste and brand spanking new name to boot…..

Logic 101 For Liberals

September 29th, 2011
1:36 pm

“Said the guy whose post was 90% cut-and-paste.”

I see you only cut and paste 70% of your paste. I should learn from my betters, true that.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
1:37 pm

I do think most pedophiles are liberals

Two Words. Mark. Foley.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:37 pm

P. Pen — “Joe Mama, Are you sniffing laughing gas today? you sure are giggling a lot.”

Your ideological compatriots are giving me a lot to laugh at today. :D

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
1:37 pm

Granny, That was terrible, funny but terrible. I’m still laughing.

poison pen

September 29th, 2011
1:38 pm

Joe, Not all of them are my compatriots, just the moderate ones, like myself.

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
1:39 pm

Granny, Righteous yes! Looks like you are still lost and confused.
Joe Mama, Weclome back. When did you get out of drug rehab??
Libertarian, Poor you. Lost? Need help?

Liberal Lemming

September 29th, 2011
1:39 pm

“Are you admitting that you’re not equal to the task before you? (laughing) ”

What’s a task?

jm

September 29th, 2011
1:39 pm

In January 2008, speaking from the pulpit where King had family ties at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, Obama told a large congregation that King’s vision of a colorblind America is unrealized. But he raised some eyebrows when he said blacks bear some responsibility; clashes with Jews, suspicion of immigrants and widespread homophobia in the African American community, he said, show “none of our hands are entirely clean.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64680_Page2.html#ixzz1ZMeJyEvj

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
1:40 pm

Add Barney Frank to my list.

Aquagirl

September 29th, 2011
1:40 pm

Is that all you have AQ – a childish ad hominem attack? Really? I guess I pegged you for being a bit smarter than that.

This from the guy who equates bestiality with marriage between two consenting adults who, unlike you, have never held forth about marrying a dog?

Tell you what: if you find a dog that is capable of making legal decisions for their spouse, you can collapse on the ad hominem fainting couch. Until then, it’s a quite legitimate question—why is your mind boomeranging from human beings towards that sexy little stray at the shelter you can’t quite forget?

There is no logical basis for your brain to go there, so I am all ears to your strained explanations. I doubt you can do anything beyond “ooohh, um…..ad hominem!”

Dr. Freud is ready when you are! Let’s hear it, honey! Why do you free-associate from gay marriage to bestiality?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
1:40 pm

Strawman: principal concern for me is the potential deleterious effects upon children they raise

As far as I can tell, worrying about the “potential deleterious effects upon children they raise” is another false attack. If we were truly worried about those effects, why do we not focus on single parent families, improving parental skills of any family, worry about the potential effects of radical biblical beliefs or conservatism, or any of the other factors which may have an effect upon children. Why are we not focused on educating and training any and all people to be good parents, no matter what their sexual orientation.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:43 pm

Monomath — “You assume a lot, JM.”

I made no assumptions. I made an assertion. Perhaps you don’t know the difference.

“He may not wish to save you from a fire (for obvious reasons).”

Which would be his choice in so doing. No doubt you noticed that the saving-from-fire situation which I posited was *conjectural.* Then again, perhaps you didn’t; you do seem rather thick.

“And if so, he surely would not want to shake you hand.”

Then he would be spared the embarrassment of one of his constituents refusing to shake *his* hand. (laughing) :D

jm

September 29th, 2011
1:43 pm

“Atlanta’s great collapse ”

Too much fried chicken, hamburgers, Krispy Kreme donuts, BBQ aided and abetted by an overly auto-dependent society and roads clogged with cars. And dehydrated from lack of water.

Kamchak

September 29th, 2011
1:44 pm

Why are we not focused on educating and training any and all people to be good parents, no matter what their sexual orientation.

Because “teh gay” is transmitted through contagious cooties.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
1:44 pm

TruthBe

Lost and Confused? Nope.

Jesus told me just this morning that I was doing fine.
The his momma confirmed it!

Want me to ask them about you?

Intelligent

September 29th, 2011
1:45 pm

Hey Steve, He said the metro REGION. You idiot.

DannyX

September 29th, 2011
1:45 pm

“Did you REALLY compare two consenting adults to a person and an animal? REALLY?????”

Well look what happened when gays were allowed to get a drivers license,

next thing you know dogs were lined up to get a drivers license. Not a day goes by where you don’t come across some dumb b%#*% trying to lick its own butt clean while driving.

jm

September 29th, 2011
1:45 pm

Tea party gets bad rap for telling truth

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110929/OPINION03/109290333/Tea-party-gets-bad-rap-for-telling-truth#ixzz1ZMfbaZoh

Best I can tell, their major offense is holding Washington accountable. Listen to them, as I did on Mackinac Island last week during the Republican Leadership Conference, and the only demand you hear is that politicians stop mortgaging America’s future to reckless spending and swelling deficits.

All they want is for politicians to finally do what both Democrats and Republicans always said they’d do — make the government live within its means — but never got around to doing until the tea party forced their hand.

In other words, THE TEA PARTY IS THE ADULT in a roomful of overindulged children who resent the call to accountability. How much greater would the debt be today, how much larger the deficit, if the tea party hadn’t shouted, “Enough!”

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110929/OPINION03/109290333/Tea-party-gets-bad-rap-for-telling-truth#ixzz1ZMfhxkwM

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
1:45 pm

From Jay’s link: “Once marriage is no longer confined to a man and a woman,” Dailey warned, “it is impossible to exclude virtually any relationship between two or more partners of either sex � even nonhuman ‘partners.’

I think I have a solution. Instead of defining marriage as between a man and a woman, define it as “between two HUMAN beings.” That way no one can marry their dog.

Unless of course the dog really, really, really wants to get married. :roll:

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
1:46 pm

Good grief how did we get to animal marriage?

Oh and TruthBe if your Lord doesn’t like gay marriage whatever, but mine thinks it’s ok.

real john

September 29th, 2011
1:46 pm

Jay,

Steve’s earlier comment is relevant. While I know the figures you site our the Atlanta Metro region as a whole; the city of Atlanta certainly has a role in that, wouldn’t you agree?

Maybe if we didn’t have entire school districts loosing accreditation (see Clayton County) or public officials instructing teachers in our flagship district to cheat on tests, maybe our persception might be a little better. Oh, I forgot, that doesn’t suit your agenda so you won’t include that aspect.

I always forget, if we were to only build rail in Alanta, gold would fall from the sky and this would be utopia….gosh, silly me

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:47 pm

L 101 — “I should learn from my betters, true that.”

You should, and perhaps you shall.

If you have anything substantive to post, then bring it on.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
1:47 pm

PP

If you are talking about the milk bones thing….it’s true.

The ‘Zillettes got into a box of them years ago. I tried one too what the heck. Tastes just like a rye crisp cracker.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:48 pm

TruthBe — “Joe Mama, Weclome back. When did you get out of drug rehab?”

Three weeks before YOU did. Any luck kicking the airplane glue and hairspray thing? :D

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
1:49 pm

Danny X

Very very funny.

RB from Gwinnett

September 29th, 2011
1:49 pm

“Why should a person with middle class income vote for a republican? ”

Gee, I don’t know… maybe because they have a brain and know giving their hard earned money to worthles government bureacrats to squander is dumb??

real john

September 29th, 2011
1:50 pm

BTW, Jay as a conservative I USED to stand up for you. Occasionally I found points I would agree with you on. However, yesterday, when you made the comment to the affect of you would have to be a crazy to be in the Republican party, you totally lost all respect. I know you are paid to write editorials, but that was over the line and totally unprofessional.

At least Kyle actually bangs on the Republcians when he disagrees and feels they are out of line. You have flown so far over the top at this point, I don’t think I will even continue to read your articles. Its not even written with any sort of thought at this point

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
1:50 pm

DDR

But what if the poor bitch is with puppies?

Logical Dude

September 29th, 2011
1:50 pm

jm: THE TEA PARTY IS THE ADULT

I would almost agree with that, except when the fear of ANY tax increase to balance the budget is met with such disdain.
Spending cuts AND tax increases (or revenue increases if you like) are both needed to balance the budget and pay down the debt.

When they come up with “Taxed Enough Already” when we have one of the lowest tax rates in living history, then well. . . they lose credibility. Lots of credibility.

jm

September 29th, 2011
1:51 pm

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
1:51 pm

jm — “In other words, THE TEA PARTY IS THE ADULT in a roomful of overindulged children who resent the call to accountability.”

The minute the Tea Party stops screaming about taxes and spending and shows a REAL COMMITMENT to retiring our national debt — which means revenue increases IN ADDITION to spending cuts — then I’ll start paying attention to them.

AFAICS, they’re one-trick ponies, and there’s nothing adult about cutting spending AND revenue at the same time.

Strawman

September 29th, 2011
1:52 pm

“There is no logical basis for your brain to go there, so I am all ears to your strained explanations. I doubt you can do anything beyond “ooohh, um…..ad hominem!”

Hey, genius: first, my post was a response to HDB and not a peep from you or your liberal clones about the principal subject of that post. Do you even recall? Secondly, let’s put you in the dock a bit: what are the grounds for your moral positions? Is is what the majority thinks? What seems right to you at this point in time? Do you think adultery is okay (it’s not illegal any more you know)? How about having sex with a 13 year old as an adult (people married at this age in earlier times you know)? You answer some of these questions and I will answer you rather dumb and contrived question about slippery slopes…deal?

ryan

September 29th, 2011
1:52 pm

Jay has this half right, transportation absolutely is an issue when companies chose not to relocate here, but so is local government. I have lived in the city of Atlanta for eleven years and would not operate a business within city limits. Our water bills are atrocious, our elevated property taxes do not reflect market conditions and the mayor seems more interested in drumming up support for Obama’s second term than doing his job. Also political parties share in the blame, California has hemorraged jobs the past decade and look who runs that state- my goodness they just elected a 70’s relic out there.

jm

September 29th, 2011
1:52 pm

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
1:53 pm

Granny, Yes! If it will get you on you’re knees praying to the LORD JESUS CHRIST. Have Fun.

Liberal Lemming

September 29th, 2011
1:54 pm

“I think I have a solution. Instead of defining marriage as between a man and a woman, define it as “between two HUMAN beings.” That way no one can marry their dog. ”

How bout dawgs? Or Hos?

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
1:54 pm

I do think most pedophiles are liberals

Need I say it?

Howwwwwwwwwler of the day.

SOUTHERN ATL

September 29th, 2011
1:54 pm

AmVet@1:36 that was a lot to absorb at one time…..what a shame!!!

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
1:54 pm

Joe Mama, No the model airplane looks great. Sorry about you. Maybe next time.

DannyX

September 29th, 2011
1:56 pm

“But what if the poor bitch is with puppies?”

Right back at you Granny, hilarious.

Liberal Lemming

September 29th, 2011
1:57 pm

“Good grief how did we get to animal marriage?”

My menturs came…I mean went off on it.

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
1:58 pm

ryan, On the money with that one.

Liberal Lemming

September 29th, 2011
1:58 pm

“AFAICS, they’re one-trick ponies..”

JM…tell me yo aint think about doing it with a horse now? Man, sty away from me!

Aquagirl

September 29th, 2011
1:59 pm

Good grief how did we get to animal marriage?

I think Strawman’s therapist might be the only one who could answer that question.

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
2:01 pm

ryan: “Also political parties share in the blame, California has hemorraged jobs the past decade and look who runs that state- my goodness they just elected a 70’s relic out there.”

C’mon son, you’re being a little uh selective there in your example selection, don’t you think?

You mention California’s ungovernability and neglect to mention Mistah Terminata, their artificially imposed budget restrictions which go back decades and are directly attributable to its disastrous ballot initiatives and direct democracy?

You mention the Atlanta mayor’s plugging for Obama but neglect to mention the financial and budgetary pressures put on the city by a hostile political and cultural environment?

Why the selective vision?

SwedeAtlanta

September 29th, 2011
2:01 pm

Milton Man

And your point is?

Yes, they have retained their monarchy as a constitutional monarchy as part of their heritage. They have a King, we have football stars.

Yes, wealth is relatively distributed across the populace. There are many wealthy Swedes as well but when I talk to many of my friends that are highly educated people that could have more MONEY if they lived somewhere else they reply that they are very content with their lives and are glad poverty is limited.

No, nothing is free. You are correct they pay very high taxes. The point being, however, that every student that has the aptitude and desire to get a furhter education doesn’t leave school in debt thousands of dollars. They have, on average, a much more highly educated workforce than in this country.

Children in their school system actually leave it with solid skills in reading, writing, math, science, history.

They don’t fear getting sick. They don’t fear growing old and living in poverty.

They cherish their free time and mandate it. They believe that new borns should bond with their parents and mandate extensive maternal and paternal leave.

And year after year when measurements are made of overall happiness, Sweden, not unlike most other European countries, ranks much higher than the U.S. Most of them aren’t driven by the need to accmulate more and more stuff in order to be happy. What is wrong with that?

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
2:02 pm

TruthBe

Done! Your on the list for tonight.

Logical Dude

September 29th, 2011
2:02 pm

strawman: You answer some of these questions and I will answer you rather dumb and contrived question about slippery slopes…deal?

No deal. We want you to defend your comparison of two consenting adults and an adult and an animal.
If you’re going to go down a dumb and contrived slippery slope, don’t ask others to answer totally different questions first. Just defend your original comparison.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
2:02 pm

Yes it is, SO ATL.

But in an effort to help him with his misconceptions here is some more education for Mighty Wrongly.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor
and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges
and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell
admitted to an incestuous relationship with his stepdaughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest
for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged
with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested
for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on
four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year-old boy
and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year-old babysitter
and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail
after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk-show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11-year-old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison
for molesting an 8-year-old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters
and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation
for soliciting sex over the Internet from a 14-year-old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year-old boy.

Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts
of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e., exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year-old girl.

So far, Rigidity has listed three names.

I have listed 50.

And guess what Mighty?

There are still more…

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
2:03 pm

TruthBe — “Joe Mama, No the model airplane looks great. Sorry about you. Maybe next time.”

Fortunately, I’m not hallucinating. But given your posts, it seems you are. :D

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
2:05 pm

L. Lemming — “JM…tell me yo aint think about doing it with a horse now? Man, sty away from me!”

If you have any serious contributions to make, I’ll be happy to talk about them with you.

However, if the above is to be typical of your contributions here today, then I think I’ll leave you to your own devices.

SOUTHERN ATL

September 29th, 2011
2:08 pm

AmVet….I am convinced….LOL….it’s hard trying to cover up crimes like that!!

Road Scholar

September 29th, 2011
2:08 pm

Taxpayer: What century will the repub tax cuts start showing some benefits?

The Repubs could screw up a one car funeral!

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
2:11 pm

GG: But what if the poor bitch is with puppies?

OMG Gran, I was laughing so hard at your comment that I fell out of my chair. The guy in the cubicle next to me is looking at me strangely and 4 people have already passed by my spot a couple of times to make sure that I’m o.k. and that they don’t have to call Security because I’ve just went crazy at the job!!

NEVER do that to me again granny!

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
2:12 pm

Bosch, Sorry for you. Call Granny and have her put you on tonights prayer list. Also Bosch there is but one GOD and his name is JESUS CHRIST.

Logical Dude

September 29th, 2011
2:14 pm

NEVER do that to me again granny!

Until the next time! ;)

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
2:15 pm

TruthBe — “Also Bosch there is but one GOD and his name is JESUS CHRIST.”

You’re going to make Cam Newton cry.

bob from account temps

September 29th, 2011
2:15 pm

jay bookman “I don’t get it.” That says a lot about a lot of things.

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
2:17 pm

Joe Mama, Relax have some fun. Obama will be thrown out of office in 2012. The Nation will get back on it’s feet once these communist are out of office.

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
2:18 pm

More corruption in the Obama administration:

Crony Capitalism: $737 Million Green Jobs Loan Given to Nancy Pelosi’s Brother-In-Law
11:00 AM, Sep 29, 2011 • By MARK HEMINGWAYSingle Page

Despite the growing Solyndra scandal, yesterday the Department of Energy approved $1 billion in new loans to green energy companies — including a $737 million loan guarantee to a company known as SolarReserve:

SolarReserve LLC, a closely held renewable energy developer, received a $737 million U.S. Energy Department loan guarantee to build a solar-thermal project in Nevada.

The 110-megawatt Crescent Dunes project, near Tonopah, Nevada, will use the sun’s heat to create steam that drives a turbine, the agency said today in a e-mailed statement. SolarReserve is based in Santa Monica, California.

On SolarReserve’s website is a list of “investment partners,” including the “PCG Clean Energy & Technology Fund (East) LLC.” As blogger American Glob quickly discovered, PCG’s number two is none other than “Ronald Pelosi, a San Francisco political insider and financial industry polymath who happens to be the brother-in-law of Nancy Pelosi, the Minority Leader of the United States House of Representatives.”

But wait… there’s more! One of SolarReserve’s other investment partners is Argonaut Private Equity:
Steve Mitchell and Argonaut Private Equity might have a chance to recoup some of their losses in the Solyndra debacle now that the Department of Energy has given a $737 million dollar loan guarantee to a company backed by Argonaut that also lists Mitchell among its board of directors.

Mitchell served on the Solyndra LLC Board of Directors. He also serves as Managing Director for Argonaut Private Equity, a company that invested in Solyndra through the LLCs parent company. After Solyndra declared bankruptcy, two Democratic members of the U.S. House asked that Mitchell testify about Solyndra. Though he has not appeared before Congress, he has “been asked to provide documents to Congress” pertaining to Solyndra.

And for good measure, it’s also noteworthy that Obama is about to hold a big money fundraiser at the home of Tom Carnahan in St. Louis:

Carnahan, a member of the prominent Missouri Democratic family, has been tapped by the Obama campaign as its chief Missouri fundraiser. He is chairman of the board of Wind Capital Group, a wind energy company that makes it corporate headquarters in St. Louis. He formerly was president and CEO of the company.

Last year, Wind Capital’s Lost Creek Farm facility in northwest Missouri received a $107 million tax credit from the Treasury Department, among many such wind operations receiving support from from stimulus funds.

Tom Carnahan is the son of former Missouri governor Mel Carnahan and former U.S. senator Jean Carnahan. He’s also the brother of current Missouri secretary of state, Robin Carnahan.

It’s increasingly hard to tell the government’s green jobs subsidies apart from the Democrats’ friends and family rewards program.

Logical Dude

September 29th, 2011
2:18 pm

TruthBe: there is but one GOD and his name is JESUS CHRIST

As much as I’d agree with the sentiment, we do not live in a theocracy. Laws are not based on biblical law. They are not based on Sharia law. They are not based on Judaic Law, nor Hammurabic Code.

Although many of those laws form some basis of our laws, we do not use them to rule everyone. Such is AMERICA! Our Founding Fathers were wise to realize how dynamic laws can be.
You may believe what you would like, but allow others to believe as they would as well. And do not use religious law because those laws become obsolete. We in the US no longer stone people even though God commands it.

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
2:19 pm

Joe Mama, War Eagle!!!!!!!!

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:19 pm

“Also Bosch there is but one GOD and his name is JESUS CHRIST”

No, TruthBe, there are thousands of “gods” with many different names.

Armed Liberal

September 29th, 2011
2:19 pm

I thought Jesus was the Son of God.

When did he get a promotion?

Chapter and verse please…

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
2:19 pm

TruthBe

Major error

there is one God and he has a son…..

stands for decibels

September 29th, 2011
2:20 pm

Because “teh gay” is transmitted through contagious cooties.

Sadly, we continue to coddle those who actually believe this…

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
2:21 pm

You’re going to make Cam Newton cry.

Boooo! Booooo!!

Don’t hate JoeM don’t hate.

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
2:22 pm

Logical Dude, Better check your America History. GOD’s Laws will never be obsolete my friend. We were blogging about morals not laws on that subject. Thanks

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
2:22 pm

Granny, Thank you for you’re prayers.

EJ Moosa

September 29th, 2011
2:22 pm

“I don’t get it.”-Jay Bookman

The reason you don’t get it is because you want to blog on macro issues yet you refuse to look at the most basic component of the equation and look at the impact certain government actions have had.

If you cannot even for a moment, look at a single business before and after the mandatory minimum wage increases and grasp what happens to the bottom line when labor rises 40%, and every thing else remains the same for that business, then how could you possibly grasp the larger macroeconomic picture.

Instead you try to compare wages of different decades, which has nothing to do with this one business in 2006 and the very same business in 2011. That sheds no light on the problem. That offers no solutions.

And when asked if the rise in minimum wage had nothing to do with job losses, then what would be the result if we did the same again today, you won’t answer.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
2:23 pm

Jesus was OK.

But Aphrodite was MUCH hotter…

Righty, enjoy those lists?

MIKE

September 29th, 2011
2:24 pm

amvet @2:02: i guess the list is long on both sides of the asile

William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the Senate. Scandals include Whitewater – Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate – Filegate – Vince Fostergate – Whitewater Billing Recordsgate – Paula Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate – Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate – Lippogate – Chinagate – The Lewinsky Affair – Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate – Kathleen Willeygate – Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate – Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate – Jaunita Broaddrick Gate – Lootergate – Pardongate

Edward Moore Kennedy – Democrat – U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.

Barney Frank – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman’s Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.

DNC – The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.

Sandy Berger – Democrat – National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger fined $50,000 for illegally removing highly classified documents and handwritten notes from the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings.

Robert Torricelli – Democrat – Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.

James McGreevey – Democrat – New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.

Jesse Jackson – Democrat – Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.

Gary Condit – Democrat – US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park..

Eliot Spitzer- Democrat – New York governor – resigned from office after being tied to a prostitution ring.

Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde – Democrat – the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.

Daniel David Rostenkowski – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal prison.

Melvin Jay Reynolds – Democrat U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison.

Wayne Bryant – Democrat NJ state senator- was convicted was found guilty on all 12 counts against him including bribery and pension fraud.

Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in prison.

George Rogers – Democrat – Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to 1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in prison.

Don Siegelman – Democrat Governor Alabama – indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman and his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.

John Murtha, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator.

Otto Kerner – Democrat governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968 was jailed after the manager of two horse-racing tracks admitted to bribing the then- governor; charges were filed after Kerner left office he was convicted in 1973.

Dan Walker – Democrat governor of Illinois from1973 to 1977 served less than two years of a seven-year sentence for receiving improper loans a decade after leaving office.

Gerry Eastman Studds – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.

Hiram Monserrate- Queens City Councilman and state Senator-elect – who has claimed to be an advocate of victims of domestic violence – was arrested for breaking a glass over his girlfriend’s face. Monserrate, 41, a former cop, won election to the state Senate as a Democrat in November 2008.

James C. Green – Democrat – North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.

Frederick Richmond – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex from a minor and from an undercover police officer – pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also – charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and improper payments to a federal employee – pleaded guilty.

Raymond Lederer – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting – convicted of bribery and sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.

Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an 18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $50,000.

Frank Thompson, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in prison

Michael Joseph Myers – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting – convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.

John Michael Murphy – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy, conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.

John Wilson Jenrette, Jr – Democrat – U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to prison

Neil Goldschmidt – Democrat – Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.

Alcee Lamar Hastings – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery charges.

Marion Barry – Democrat – mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison.

Mario Biaggi – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.

Lee Alexander – Democrat – Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in prison.

Bill Campbell – Democrat – Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking city contracts.

Frank Ballance – Democrat – Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.

Hazel O’Leary – Democrat – Secretary of Energy during the Clinton Administration – O’leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with as many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna during her concert tours.

Lafayette Thomas – Democrat – Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990. Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in prison.

Mary Rose Oakar – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000 through fake donors.

David Giles – Democrat – candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.

Gary Siplin – Democrat state senator Florida- found guilty of third-degree grand theft of $5,000 or more, a felony, and using services of employees for his candidacy.

Edward Mezvinsky – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to 1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.

Lena Swanson – Democrat – Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former prisoners of war.

Abraham J. Hirschfeld – Democrat – candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner.

Henry Cisneros – Democrat – U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI.

James A. Traficant Jr. – Member of House of Representatives from Ohio. Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges. Sentenced today to eight years in prison for accepting bribes and kickbacks.

John Doug Hays – Democrat – member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to 1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months in prison to be followed by six months of home confinement and three years of probation.

Henry J. Cianfrani – Democrat – Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976. Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for padding his Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal prison.

David Hall – Democrat – Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three years in prison.

John A. Celona – Democrat – A former state senator was charged with the three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp. and others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead guilty to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to cooperate with investigators. He faces up to five years in federal prison on each of the three counts and a $250,000 fine

Allan Turner Howe – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.

Jerry Cosentino – Democrat – Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud – fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.

Joseph Waggonner Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 19 79. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute

Albert G. Bustamante – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985 to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and sentenced to prison.

Lawrence Jack Smith – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983 to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal prison for tax evasion.

David Lee Walters – Democrat – Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.

James Guy Tucker, Jr. – Democrat – Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996. Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of the Whitewater investigation.

Walter Rayford Tucker – Democrat – Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to 1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced to 27 months in prison for extortion and tax evasion.

William McCuen – Democrat – Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to 1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and not paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham transaction. He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years in prison.

Walter Fauntroy – Democrat – Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony count and sentenced to probation.

Carroll Hubbard, Jr. – Democrat – Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of government property; sentenced to three years in prison.

Joseph Kolter – Democrat – member of Pennsylvania State House of Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded guilty.

Webster Hubbell – Democrat – Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges – sentenced to 21 months in prison.

Nicholas Mavroules – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting gratuities while in office.

Carl Christopher Perkins – Democrat – Kentucky State House of Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1985 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000. Pleaded guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to 21 months in prison.

Richard Hanna – Democrat – U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to 1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in what became known as the “Koreagate” influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and sentenced to federal prison.

Angelo Errichetti – Democrat – New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.

Daniel Baugh Brewster – Democrat – U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.

Thomas Joseph Dodd – Democrat – U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in campaign and testimonial funds to his own use

Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. – Democrat – Delegate to Democratic National Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in prison.

Jerry Springer – Democrat – Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor.

Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. – Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.

Daniel Flood – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to 1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.

Otto Kerner, Jr – Democrat – Governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968. While serving as Governor, he and another official made a gain of over $300,000 in a stock deal. Convicted on 17 counts of bribery, conspiracy, perjury, and related charges. Sentenced to three years in federal prison and fined $50,000.

George Crockett, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served four months in federal prison for contempt of court following his defense of a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.

Cornelius Edward Gallagher – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1959 to 1973. Indicted on federal charges of income tax evasion, conspiracy, and perjury

Mark B. Jimenez – Democrat fundraiser – sentenced to 27 months in prison on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States and commit election financing offenses.

Bobby Lee Rush – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Illinois. As a Black Panther, spent six months in prison on a weapons charge.

Bolley ”Bo” Johnson – Democrat – Former Florida House Speaker – received a two-year term for tax evasion.

Roger L. Green – Democrat – Brooklyn Democrat Assemblyman. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for accepting travel reimbursement for trips he did not pay for and was sentenced to fines and probation.

Gloria Davis – Democrat – Bronx assemblywoman. Pleaded guilty to second-degree bribe-taking.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
2:24 pm

If you wanna understand your history bob, you’ve got to read political posters. If not, you will be doomed to read comic books, (and none of them have the hot chicks in them).

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:25 pm

Armed Liberal,

He got that promotion about 300 years after he died when a group of guys were sitting around in Nicea and decided to make him a diety.

It’s weird how when he was actually alive, he was just considered a normal man and never wrote down any of his teachings himself.

stands for decibels

September 29th, 2011
2:25 pm

William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives

that and a buck-fitty buys a copy of the NY Times. Whoop de freekin’ do.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
2:26 pm

TruthBe — “Obama will be thrown out of office in 2012.”

I think you mean to say that he’ll be *voted* out of office in 2012, but I don’t think it’s likely to happen with the lineup of jokers the GOP calls “candidates.” :D

“The Nation will get back on it’s feet once these communist are out of office.”

The President doesn’t even come close to being a communist.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
2:27 pm

Liberals involved in green energy? Who’d a thunk it?

Like there isn’t a GOP supporter involved with fossil fuel subsidies anywhere on the planet…

Too funny.

Bubba

September 29th, 2011
2:27 pm

If Gen. Sherman came back through and burned it all down, at least we would have reconstruction jobs.

Aquagirl

September 29th, 2011
2:27 pm

We want you to defend your comparison of two consenting adults and an adult and an animal

THIS.

Strawman, you said it, you ’splain it. Better yet, I’ll pay your airfare, you can go ’splain it to the gay soldier the teanuts booed. I bet you won’t stand within swinging distance of his large biceps and compare him to a dog-f#(er. I bet you pee your pants and run away.

So Strawman, your response of “um…errr….I can’t answer that, lemme try and dodge by asking you a question!” is lame, lame, lame. No sale, honey!

And since I’m done conversing with someone who is apparently confused about sexual attractions and dogs…..your fumble is almost as lame as AmVet leaving RAY FRIGGIN’ McBERRY off of his creepy Republican list. :) Our own homegrown Teanut darling, ignored by everyone except Karen Handel.

Though in Slitherin’ McBerry’s defense, he was never convicted of child molestation. The 35 year old only gave a 16 year old a cellphone (to call him) against her parent’s wishes ignored his church’s pleas to leave her alone, arranged secretive meetings on dirt roads and tried to tempt her with—no kidding—A PUPPY.

Hey, maybe there’s something to that extreme rightwing uptight anti-gay creepiness and sexual use of dogs after all!

Butch Cassidy

September 29th, 2011
2:28 pm

RB – “The truth is, they’re being lied to by people who want their votes. They’re still poor and are being left behind in this society regardless of the promises made by Dems. I wonder when they’ll figure out they’re being played?”

What a coincedence. The same thing applies to you.

HDB

September 29th, 2011
2:29 pm

Strawman
September 29th, 2011
12:40 pm

Had some work to do!! Apologize for the delay!!

Let’s address your response to me:

1) “It would appear you are painting with a big brush that conforms to your preconceived notions, which I would say is ironically prejudicial. If you are going see everything TODAY through the prism of the sixties, then what can be said: you are simply close-minded. I would hope that you would not argue that the bulk of Republicans today are operating from a “racist paradigm.” If so, I would contend you are as ignorant of the facts as you would say a white suburbanite is ignorant of inner city
conditions.”

First, my notions aren’t preconceived; they are derived from EXPERIENCE, not a prism! Granted, times have changed…but certain paradigms haven’t….even though the people who implement said paradigm are not of the same caliber as those who DESIGNED the paradigm!! I would not argue that the preponderance of those in the GOP are racists (I don’t believe that at all!)….but the IDEOLOGY they support HAS a racist component that the GOP has YET to refute…and/or eliminate!!

2) ” Reagan’s advocacy for “states’ rights”…is a call for segregation?”
If you remember the historical perspective of the phrase…that’s exactly what Reagan did! (from wikipedia:)

Ronald Reagan’s “states’ rights” speech given on August 3, 1980, was his first public address after the Republican National Convention officially chose him as the Republican nominee for the 1980 United States presidential election. The speech drew attention for his use of the phrase “states’ rights” at the Neshoba County Fair, just a few miles from Philadelphia, Mississippi, a town associated with the 1964 murders of civil rights workers.

Given the history of Philadelphia, and Reagan’s use of the words “states’ rights,” often interpreted as a desire to return to pre-Civil Rights laws regarding segregation, many of Reagan’s critics felt that he was at least insensitive to the concerns of blacks, or that he even was using this location and these words as a cynical, coded appeal to the white racist vote. Columnist Bob Herbert of The New York Times wrote, “Everybody watching the 1980 campaign knew what Reagan was signaling at the fair,” and that it “was understood that when politicians started chirping about ’states’ rights’ to white people in places like Neshoba County they were saying that when it comes down to you and the blacks, we’re with you”.[3] Paul Krugman, also of the Times, noted that a Republican national committee member from Mississippi had urged Reagan to speak at the county fair, as it would help win over “George Wallace inclined voters”, and wrote that this was just one of many examples of “Reagan’s tacit race-baiting in the historical record.”

Eulogizing on Reagan’s death, Washington Post columnist William Raspberry noted of the incident:

It was bitter symbolism for black Americans (though surely not just for black Americans). Countless observers have noted that Reagan took the Republican Party from virtual irrelevance to the ascendancy it now enjoys. The essence of that transformation, we shouldn’t forget, is the party’s successful wooing of the race-exploiting Southern Democrats formerly known as Dixiecrats. And Reagan’s Philadelphia appearance was an important bouquet in that courtship.”

3) Jeb Bush’s purging of the voter roles:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A99749-2001May30

Ultimately, over 94,000 people…primarily black people, were denied the right to vote in Florida during the 2000 Presidential Election. Coincidential?? Don’t think so!! Look at what is occurring under Republican governors: the right to vote is being SLOWLY eroded to those who do not believe as Republicans do! Wisconsin, Ohio are just two examples!!!

3) “Look…at the risk of offending you, people (white, black and Hispanic) are abusing the system”. I don’t disagree that some are abusing the system…but note when conservatives speak about the abuses….they put a BLACK face on the ad! Reagan invoked the tern “welfare queens driving Cadillacs”! Note they don’t put a face from Appalachia on it….even though they use more of the system that black people do!!

4) Granted, the educational system is broken (raised by educators!)…parental involvement is the requisite (no disagreement)…but diverting funding from public education isn’t the answer! All voucher systems do is divert funding from public education to fund PRIVATE education…and the mandates are different. Public education educates the MASSES…while private education educates the DISCRIMINATE (chosen few)!!

5) Not just moral standards (which the GOP has been hypocritical of)…but LEGAL standards!! Take gay marriage! By TREATY, the US must recognize ANY marriage by whatever nation the US has a treaty with; under the EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE of the 14th Amendment and the Contracts clause of the Constitution, any contract entered into in ONE state is recognized by ALL 50! Marriage falls under that proviso…but you wish to DENY the right of two PEOPLE the right to enter into a contract and negate the provisos of said contract because of sex..or race (remember Loving vs. Virginia??)?? I thought Republicans believed in the concept of LAW!??? To use the law to maintain discrimination is CRIMINAL itself!! If the standard of a legal commitment is to be used….it should be available to ALL who seek it!!!

That’s my problem with the GOP….and also..by the GOP’s ignoring me as a constituent….what are the other prevalent options???

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
2:29 pm

Gold Star for Mighty-Righty for moving that goal post and running away like a 12 y.o. boy from Mark Foley at a republican convention!! Didn’t He make the comment that he thought most pedophiles were Dems and then AmVet came back and slammed him on it?

Well M.R., with quick thinking and even quicker typing skils, moved that goal post right outta there by changing the subject to CORRUPTION!!! You Go Boy!!

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
2:29 pm

Mike — nice list, but we were talking about kiddy-diddlers. Can you come up with a list of those?

SOUTHERN ATL

September 29th, 2011
2:29 pm

MIKE

September 29th, 2011
2:24 pm

I thought that AmVet’s list was about crimes against “children”?

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
2:30 pm

Aquagirl — “…..your fumble is almost as lame as AmVet leaving RAY FRIGGIN’ McBERRY off of his creepy Republican list.”

My wife calls him “Ray McPedoBeary.” :D

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
2:30 pm

stands for decibels

September 29th, 2011
2:31 pm

but I don’t think it’s likely to happen with the lineup of jokers the GOP calls “candidates.”

nor do I.

However, if the GOP do manage to hold the House (hardly a given) next year, I would place even money on the House ginning up some BS “Presidentin’ While Black” impeachment charge in 2013 or 2014, just so they can say they did.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
2:31 pm

DebbieDoRight is on fire today! Go Nellie!

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:32 pm

Well Mike, nice change of goal posts there, those are corruption charges, not pedophiles — if we are going to add corruption charges to the GOP list, it would be a mile long.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:33 pm

Oh sorry Joe Mama and Debbie — I see you beat me to that punch.

stands for decibels

September 29th, 2011
2:33 pm

Can’t we add Silvio Berlusconi to the list of conservative pedophiles?

Logical Dude

September 29th, 2011
2:34 pm

TruthBe: GOD’s Laws will never be obsolete my friend.

Then why did he need a New Testament? (Sorry! Didn’t mean to get off on a Religious Discussion of God changing his mind!)

:)

No need to answer this one. We can move on from here. :D

HDB

September 29th, 2011
2:34 pm

RB from Gwinnett
September 29th, 2011
1:30 pm

So, voting for Republicans does NOTHING for them, right? The Republicans keep ignoring them, deliver nothing, make things WORSE…. and the cycle repeats every few years…

So tell us….why should a black person vote for a Republican then?

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:35 pm

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:36 pm

“GOD’s Laws will never be obsolete my friend”

And my God says it’s okay to eat shrimp — that law is certainly obsolete.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:36 pm

stands,

Berlusconi is a slick one, he is.

Joe COOL

September 29th, 2011
2:41 pm

Mike has gotten quite on us……

USMC

September 29th, 2011
2:42 pm

“You mean that a strategy of cutting taxes lower and lower, of refusing to spend money to modernize the transportation system…yada yada yada….”YAWN—JAY BOOKMAN

Only a Socialist High Priest or puppet or simpleton would make such a ridiculous statement; as if the reason is because of A or B.

Are there not more than a couple of variables that lead to jobs coming to or leaving Atlanta???

I would like to know how Atlanta’s the crime statistics compared to the peer metro areas for starters among the MANY other reasons for jobs moving to and fro Atlanta.

stands for decibels

September 29th, 2011
2:44 pm

YAWN—JAY BOOKMAN

Hi, USMC! So have you got those wayyy out of the mainstream positions of Jay’s for me, yet?

St Simons - we're on Island time

September 29th, 2011
2:44 pm

“And my God says it’s okay to eat shrimp — that law is certainly obsolete”

Oh yes mon. Shrimp & Grits IS the food of the Gods, dontcha know

Armed Liberal

September 29th, 2011
2:45 pm

Bosch – I highly doubt the whakadoodle I was responding to knows about Nicea or attends a church that recites the crede on a weekly basis… I am most curious as to which sect he belongs to that believes that Baby Jesus and God are one in the same.

No Trinity For Old Fools.

USMC

September 29th, 2011
2:45 pm

I guess being a Left-wing fringe, High Priest of Socialism columnist for the AJC does have it’s limitations with regard to business/economics and the real world; right JAY :-)

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
2:45 pm

I would like to know how Atlanta’s the crime statistics compared to the peer metro areas for starters among the MANY other reasons for jobs moving to and fro Atlanta

If you keep reading, you’ll find all you need to know on that subject from both sides of the divide. Oh and I learned today that the best way to learn about American History is from posters, NOT history books. History books are commie sympathizers.

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
2:47 pm

Oh yes mon. Shrimp & Grits IS the food of the Gods, dontcha know

Yeah mon!

Aquagirl

September 29th, 2011
2:48 pm

Oh sorry Joe Mama and Debbie — I see you beat me to that punch

I too will not notice the half-page wordy cut ‘n paste attempt to cover a non-response. No sense in making Mike look even more evasive of his Republican pedophiles.

NOTICE TO CONS DESPERATELY THROWING BUSHELS OF RED HERRINGS: y’all are making the Braves collapse look good by comparison. I have to admire such achievement on the negative side of the scale.

moonbat betty

September 29th, 2011
2:48 pm

I, for one, applaud Bookman and his editorials for uniting our citizentry.

Feel the love emanating from the blog.

aaaaaaahhhhhhh yesssssssssss!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 29th, 2011
2:49 pm

Jay has moved up to High Priest? Hmmm… now I will be moving around the congregation with the contribution plates. Remember to give everything you have! Especially you cons. :P

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:49 pm

“Shrimp & Grits IS the food of the Gods, dontcha know”

Yes, as a matter of fact, I DO know a thing or two about that — but in my world, cheese is a must.

out of the blue

September 29th, 2011
2:49 pm

Wow….There is so much bull hockey coming from the radical right posters I don’t even know where to start.

So I won’t!

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
2:50 pm

DebbieDoRight

September 29th, 2011
2:29 pm

If its a contest of has the longest, list that is, of pedophiles I can give you more but instead just google Democrat Pedophiles. You will have your fill. I just got tired of the subject. I prefer talking about corruption, sleaze, incompetence and stupidity of the Obama administration which will not be reported by the media. I know as a liberal you prefer ignorance of all things Obama. I am here to save you.

Trotsky Foxtrot

September 29th, 2011
2:50 pm

via Krugman:

Where is the Boehner jobs boom?

Here’s a question I haven’t seen asked: If fear of future regulations and taxes is holding business back, as everyone on the right asserts, why didn’t the Republican victory in the midterms set off a surge in employment?

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
2:50 pm

HDB — “So tell us….why should a black person vote for a Republican then?”

I feel pretty sure that you want to hear reasons from the black person’s perspective, not from the Republican’s perspective.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:51 pm

Armed Liberal,

“I am most curious as to which sect he belongs to ”

I am no curious about that, as I would prefer to never be around those type of crazies.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:52 pm

” I prefer talking about corruption, sleaze, incompetence and stupidity of the Obama administration which will not be reported by the media.”

Yeah, cause the media doesnt’ report just made up crap that resides in your brain, MR.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 29th, 2011
2:53 pm

Obviously MIKE is not one who pays attention to details.

He saw a couple of long lists of Republican operatives and assumed they were about corruption, fraud, abuse etc.

But, as anyone who actually even glanced at them knows, they are pedophilic criminals that Righty was blissfully ignorant of…

Might as well add some more for the unlearned…

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a boy.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year-old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty
to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl
and served 6 months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer
and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz,
was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on
five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the Internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,”
was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations
surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken
was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.

Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo
molested his 6-year-old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp.
Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of
raping a 15-year-old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has
allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large
number of young women.

Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in
order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency.
See excerpt of one prisoner’s report here and his full report here.
http://www.newsfollowup.com/children.htm#bryant

Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.

Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys — ages ten and 12 — during a six-year period.

Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.

Republican congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy.

Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty of fondling underage girls.

Republican legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls under the age of 16.

Now you ostriches know the rest of the story…

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
2:54 pm

Righty — “If its a contest of has the longest, list that is, of pedophiles I can give you more but instead just google Democrat Pedophiles.”

The assertion was made that most pedophiles are Democrats. Long lists of *Republican* pedophiles were produced to rebut that claim.

A counter-rebuttal would consist of a list lf *actual* pedophile Democrats, not a lame admonition to go Google it. :roll:

C’mon, Righty, I know you’re better than that.

moonbat betty

September 29th, 2011
2:56 pm

meanwhile everyone sits by while the hit sits the fan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZJi_NStV9k

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
2:56 pm

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:52 pm

You just can’t handle the facts. You prefer opinion, your own.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:57 pm

Joe Mama,

I googled it, and all of them say it’s a “partial list” and all the ones I saw were the exact same list verbatim, although one did add names like:

John Wayne Gacy and the Kennedy family — I mean, if you must stretch that hard…geez.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
2:58 pm

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:58 pm

Then tell us them FACTS, MR, do it! We’re listening.

Peter

September 29th, 2011
2:59 pm

Hey Mighty Righty…..this comment is incorrect…..

I do think most pedophiles are liberals. Weiner and that congressman up in Washington come to mind.

Actually most are Rich White Republican’s , Kyle the GOP Blogger did a piece on this subject earlier in the year and the Demographic is….. very Rich White Republican Males in Georgia.

Granny Godzilla

September 29th, 2011
3:00 pm

Mighty Righty

EPIC FAIL

epic man, majorly epic

DawgDad

September 29th, 2011
3:01 pm

WHAT policy of cutting taxes lower and lower??? My taxes are going UP, and there are additional tax proposals on the table (SPLOST, transportation, etc.).

I would agree State resources have been misdirected in some cases. Very clear we would not agree in principle on the appropriate redirection.

jj

September 29th, 2011
3:02 pm

As we can all do anything we want with statistics…………..You have to remember that Atlanta had a lot more to lose than most cities. Atlanta job growth for the previous 10 years far out paced the rest of the country. This is like buying a house for 100k, it appreciates to 500K at the peak and is now worth 300K, and the paper reports you lost 200K, no you are 200K above what you paid for it.
But reporting it like that doesn’t support a specific position does it?

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
3:02 pm

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
2:54 pm

Joe, let me help. Type in the word Democrat and follow it with the word pedophile. It wil jog your memory with some well known Democrat pedophiles. I could do the work for you but you will enjoy it more if you do it yourself.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
3:05 pm

I did that MR, and I got some web sites that all said it was a partial list, with all verbatim lists (same people) and there are nine names total.

You’d think at least one of them would have done the whole list….

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
3:12 pm

RIghty — “Joe, let me help. Type in the word Democrat and follow it with the word pedophile. It wil jog your memory with some well known Democrat pedophiles. I could do the work for you but you will enjoy it more if you do it yourself.”

Help yourself by doing your own work.

Your implicit concession is noted and appreciated.

Your failure to rebut what has been posted here is also noted and appreciated.

Your lame attempt to wriggle out of it and place the blame on others has also been noted, and is not appreciated.

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
3:14 pm

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
2:58 pm
Then tell us them FACTS, MR, do it! We’re listening.

Lets start with 9.1% unemployed. Add another 10 to 15% unemployed who have given u looking for work or are underemployed. Highest home foreclseure rate in history. No new jobs added in the entire month of August. Largest number of people in poverty in history. Largest number of people on food stamps. Largest federal budget deficit in history. Highest sustained energy prices in history. Greatest number of federal regulations in history. Largest number of executive orders in history. I could go on but frankly I am tired of listing FACTs.

MIKE

September 29th, 2011
3:15 pm

here are a few to get you started:

Gerald Steven Ackerman (b. 1956) — also known as Gerald Ackerman; Ajax Ackerman — of Port Huron, St. Clair County, Mich. Born August 5, 1956. Democrat. Mayor of Port Huron, Mich., 1997-99; resigned 1999. Arraigned in April 1999 on 14 counts of criminal sexual conduct involving children; tried in October 1999 and convicted only of the indecent exposure charges, with the jury unable to agree on the others; sentenced to one year imprisonment; retried in May 2000 and convicted on 10 felony counts of criminal sexual conduct; sentenced to 18 to 38 years imprisonment. Still living as of 2007.

# William Hackel (born c.1942) — Macomb County Sheriff, 1977-2000; Democrat. charged in November 1999 of raping a 26-year-old woman at a sheriffs’ convention; tried and convicted in April 2000, and sentenced to three to fifteen years in prison. Still living as of 2000.

# David E. Giles (born c.1950) — of Washington. Democrat. Lawyer; candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington 8th District, 1986, 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape. Still living as of 2000.

Barney Frank (b. 1940) — of Newton, Middlesex County, Mass. Born in Bayonne, Hudson County, N.J., March 31, 1940. Democrat. Lawyer; member of Massachusetts state house of representatives, 1973-80; U.S. Representative from Massachusetts 4th District, 1981-; delegate to Democratic National Convention from Massachusetts, 2000, 2004, 2008. Jewish. Gay. Admitted in 1990 to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex, subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant, and getting 33 parking tickets dismissed for him; Gobie also used the congressman’s apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed on a 38 to 390 vote; a motion to censure him failed 141-287; finally, the House voted to reprimand him by a vote of 408 to 18. Still living as of 2009.

Sol Wachtler — of Manhasset, Nassau County, Long Island, N.Y. Judge of New York Court of Appeals, 1972; chief judge of New York Court of Appeals, 1985-93. In 1993, he was sentenced to 15 months in prison for extortion in connection with his harassment of an ex-lover. Still living as of 1993.

Melvin Jay Reynolds (b. 1952) — also known as Mel Reynolds — of Illinois. Born in Mound Bayou, Bolivar County, Miss., January 8, 1952. Democrat. University professor; U.S. Representative from Illinois 2nd District, 1993-95; defeated in primary, 1988, 1990; resigned 1995. Black. Baptist. Convicted in 1995 on sexual misconduct with a minor and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison. Convicted in federal court in 1997 of 15 counts of bank fraud, wire fraud, and lying to the Federal Election Commission; sentenced to 78 more months in prison. Still living as of 2009.

William Jefferson Clinton (b. 1946) — also known as Bill Clinton; William Jefferson Blythe IV; “Slick Willie”; “Bubba”; “Elvis”; “Eagle”; “The Big Dog” — of Arkansas; Chappaqua, Westchester County, N.Y. Born in Hope, Hempstead County, Ark., August 19, 1946. Third cousin twice removed of James Alexander Lockhart; married, October 11, 1975, to Hillary Diane Rodham (sister of Hugh E. Rodham). Democrat. Rhodes scholar; candidate for U.S. Representative from Arkansas 3rd District, 1974; Arkansas state attorney general, 1977-79; Governor of Arkansas, 1979-81, 1983-92; delegate to Democratic National Convention from Arkansas, 1984, 2000; Speaker, 1984; President of the United States, 1993-2001; delegate to Democratic National Convention from New York, 2004, 2008. Baptist. Member, Trilateral Commission; Council on Foreign Relations; Pi Sigma Alpha; Phi Alpha Delta. On October 29, 1994, Francisco Duran fired 27 shots from the sidewalk at the White House in an apparent assassination attempt against President Clinton. Impeached by the House of Representatives in December 1998 over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice in connection with his sexual contact with a White House intern, Monica Lewinsky, but acquitted by the Senate. Still living as of 2009.

# Steven Effman (b. 1950) — also known as Steve Effman — of Sunrise, Broward County, Fla. Born in New York, New York County, N.Y., October 13, 1950. Married to Barbara S. Effman. Democrat. Lawyer; mayor of Sunrise, Fla., 1993-96; member of Florida state house of representatives 98th District, 1997-; delegate to Democratic National Convention from Florida, 2000. Jewish. Member, B’nai B’rith. Admitted in 2003 to inappropriate relationships with three divorce clients; suspended from the practice of law for 91 days. Still living as of 2003.

# James Edward McGreevey (b. 1957) — also known as Jim McGreevey — of Woodbridge Township, Middlesex County, N.J.; Plainfield, Union County, N.J. Born in Jersey City, Hudson County, N.J., August 6, 1957. Democrat. Married 1991 to Karen Joan ‘Kari’ Schutz (divorced 1997); married, October 7, 2000, to Dina Matos; son of John P. McGreevey. . Member of New Jersey state house of assembly, 1990-92; delegate to Democratic National Convention from New Jersey, 2000, 2004; Governor of New Jersey, 2002-04; resigned 2004. Catholic; later Episcopalian. Irish ancestry. Gay. Announced his resignation as governor in 2004 after acknowledging a homosexual affair with his homeland security adviser. Still living as of 2009.

# Eliot Laurence Spitzer (b. 1959) — also known as Eliot Spitzer; “Steamroller”; “Client No. 9″ — of Manhattan, New York County, N.Y. Born in Bronx, Bronx County, N.Y., June 10, 1959. Son of Bernard Spitzer; married 1987 to Silda Wall. Democrat. New York state attorney general, 1999-2006; defeated, 1994; delegate to Democratic National Convention from New York, 2000, 2004; Presidential Elector for New York, 2000; Governor of New York, 2007-08; resigned 2008. Resigned as Governor following disclosure that he had paid a prostitution ring for sex. Still living as of 2009.

Mighty Righty

September 29th, 2011
3:16 pm

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
3:12 pm

You are the one that wanted more info. It is not up to me to feed your curiosity.

Jay

September 29th, 2011
3:18 pm

Come on, people.

You’re not really debating which party has the most perverts, are you? That’s not a political debate, that’s … just sad, really.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
3:22 pm

Hey! That’s the same list on the other websites I found — all 9 of them. :roll:

MR,

THAT is not corruption which is what you originally wrote, I wanted the facts about that.

But as usual, you have shown us your excellent ability to dodge and deflect.

Joe Mama

September 29th, 2011
3:23 pm

Mike — The claim was *child molesters.* You seem to be reaching a bit.

Righty — “You are the one that wanted more info. It is not up to me to feed your curiosity.”

You are the one who attempted to rebut what had been posted here with a pathetic “go Google it.” Stop looking to others to do your work. Frankly, I think you should man up, admit that you don’t have any supporting evidence and move on.

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
3:24 pm

“here are a few to get you started:”

Mike,

Weird thing is, on all three or four websites I saw they all said that, and they all had that same list – word for word — and guess what? None of them had any additional names. Why don’t you go find those for us?

Bosch

September 29th, 2011
3:28 pm

Hey Jay Bookman, quit ruining our fun! We are providing a public service by teaching others not to deflect answers.

HDB

September 29th, 2011
3:31 pm

Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
2:50 pm

I want to hear it from the Republican perspective……since I already review the black perspective (from PERSONAL experience, that is!!).

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
3:32 pm

You can say I’m skeered of black people all you want. Believe all you want. Make a joke of it. It doesn’t change the demographic changes and corresponding economic changes that occurred in South Fulton, Clayton and DeKalb counties over the last 25 years.

I base that on the first hand experience of growing up in South Fulton county, graduating high school in ‘78, attending Clayton Junior College, working at Rich’s at Southlake and Shannon malls until entering the military in 1982. Coupled with two years experience in heavy equipment sales in south metro Atlanta counties area from 2006 – 2008. Shopping, eating and interacting with people during those three years.

I like to think I live in a fairly diverse area. Of the 12 homes/families on my street: one is for sale, one is Asian, four are Black and six are Asian. Somewhat multicultural. So, I don’t tend to be skeered of too much.

Both of my children went to public schools; one is in college on full academic and athletic scholarships and the other is working his way through college part-time. It’s not how much money you throw at an educational system, it’s how much “parenting” parents are willing to throw at their children.

And, say what you want, the majority of violent crime in the metro area is perpetrated by Blacks. The bulk of which is Black on Black crime.

So, is Whitey a little skeered of the Black man. Maybe not so much the Black man as Black culture. And I’m not talking about African Black culture which is filled with a rich heritage. But American Black culture which currently embraces degradation of women, a bias towards playing the victimization card, a gangsta’ mentality and inability to hold their leaders and each other accountability.

So, let the labeling of me as a ignorant, racist bigot begin.

Hootinanny Yum Yum

September 29th, 2011
3:33 pm

Meant to say the last six homes/families in my neighborhood are White.

DixieDemons

September 29th, 2011
3:44 pm

Georgia is the new Mississippi . High poverty rates, low morals, poorly educated home of the Johnny Reb flag flying redneck that is armed to his teeth trying to protect the watermelons in his back yard from the black man. ( LOL )

TruthBe

September 29th, 2011
4:11 pm

Bosch, You are pitiful. Did you call Granny and get on tonights prayer list?
Logical Dude, So that we could understand the reason JESUS died for our sins my friend.

republicrat

September 29th, 2011
4:46 pm

We all want the same thing. Job security,safety for our families,good schools for our children,the ability to work hard and get ahead. Until we unite we are doomed. Common sense for the last election was anyone but the republican,this time it’s anyone but obama. Give me a dem or a repub,but get bozo out of town becouse he’s completley incapable. When obama came to office I had hope. Two years he had all three parts of government in dem control and squanderd it by paying off banks,unions,insurance copanies and wall street. I thought he was for the working man and he turned out to be for the wealthy. He has not helped anyone but his biggest donors and i’m tired of putting our tax dollars in the hands of the wealthy that supported him. WAKE UP AMERICA AND COME TOGETHER! We have been shafted.

Billybob

September 29th, 2011
5:55 pm

Its’ called home builders and construction jay, oh and atlanta city gov’t and the corruptness we have all seen for about 35-40 years now(no matter who is in power)…..FYI, hussein is on the way to the outskirts of far left-dom jay and it will only get worse for him…and coincidentally better for hillary….hmmmmm…….either way he is destroying the dem party and causing the moderate dems and independents to flee your ilk……how does it feel…….enjoy

Martin Williams

September 29th, 2011
6:39 pm

Hope and pray Georgians continue to elect GOP governors and a GOP controlled house of reps……. things will truly get worst and drive some folks out of the State. This is the goal of the GOP and will have a one party State of Georgia.

DBCOOPER

September 29th, 2011
7:04 pm

If you will pick me up at section 8 housing in a shuttle payed for by the government and take me to get a photo ID we will go. oh yeah can we stop by the grocery store and scan my EBT , cash my SSI check. Oh yeah as long as I don’t have to stand in line and it is free.

Corey

September 29th, 2011
7:21 pm

One thing I notice on blogs that highlight or even hint at Republican policy failures conservative commenters go all out and attack everyone and everything that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic. Can you say neurotic?

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

September 29th, 2011
9:25 pm

Jay, you have really got to get over your obsession with higher taxes. You need professional help. In the meantime, if it would make you feel better, send all your money to the government, to whichever branch your heart desires. I pay too much. Kept the receipts one year – Federal, state, property, ad valorem, sales, phone, water, ….., another 25 to 30 line-items. Its in the range of 55% to 60% – too much. The Dear Leader passed the “blood from a turnip” stage a couple of years ago. Especially when everybody figures out Treasuries are worthless and start demanding 5% to 10% for them, depending on maturity. How much money did MARTA make last year, sans subsidies? I forbid my family to ride it – its too dangerous.

Jack

September 29th, 2011
9:58 pm

All this joblessness, recession, down-turn (whatever you want to call it) was caused by Congress demanding that houses be sold to parasites who had no intention of paying the mortgage. Bookman knows this and attempts to cover it up with his liberal nonsense.

lynnie gal

September 29th, 2011
10:18 pm

Republicans have ruined this country, the states and the cities. Their philosophy does not work in the real world and when it’s obvious that they don’t, they double down on the failed policies. They have no compassion, no intelligence, they are soul-less and most of them are insane. We in Georgia are living in a Republican sanitarium where up is down and right is wrong and Orwellian speech provides their talking points. They have destroyed the economy of this state. Republicans have become a bunch of freaks.

GaNative

September 29th, 2011
10:35 pm

What happened to AJC’s Henry Unger and the Biz Beat Blog?

Tiquonda

September 29th, 2011
11:04 pm

“I don’t get it.”

I do. Next time take a close look at the people in one of those mile long job fair lines. How many of them would you hire? Bless their hearts, for a lot of them their ultimate Peter Principle destination will be something in the fast food, car wash, or airport screening industries.

captguitarman

September 30th, 2011
1:57 am

Wow! You surely touched a nerve highlighting this inconvenient little fact of life didn’t you, Jay? I am a traditional Pub conservative, and my only response is . . . tell it all, brother . . . tell it all! If you should ever have a chance to travel north of Ball Ground and get up towards Jasper, Ellijay, Blue Ridge, Blairsville, Helen and Clayton, and into the mountains, as I have had the privilege of doing (not being cynical here, the north Georgia mountain areas and towns are beautiful, scemic, relaxing, and peaceful, and populated by kind and friendly people), you will find that those good people live in their own world and do not give one fat rat’s ass about what happens in, around, or to the City of Atlanta. Scratch a little deeper and you will find those same feelings in Cobb, Gwinett, north and south Fulton, Paulding, Cherokee, Forsyth, and Henry counties, and others toward Atlanta, and vice versa. And the north Georgians pretty much feel the same way about middle Georgia, the coastal plain, and south Georgia too. Those feelings, I’m sure, are mutually held. After many years of living here, I have concluded that it is pretty much a “Georgia” thing, for whatever reason. “You’re from out of state, aren’t you?” made famous in a Burt Reynolds movie from the early 80’s filmed in Atlanta,,would be a pretty funny joke, if it wasn’t so sadly true, and so sadly detrimental to the long term well being of this state. More sadly, the more correct usage is “You’re not from around here, are you?” and that says it all. In completely Balkanized Georgia, that has more meaning than in any place I have ever lived, including Alabama. It is the kind of thing that a Sandy Springs or Roswell resident would say to an Atlanta resident, and vice versa — not to mention in neighboring counties or regions. A modern transporation system tying Atlanta to surrounding counties, or regions to other regions is a complete pipe dream. Georgians as a whole will never go for it. I grew up in a tri-state area (Cincinnati) where not only was there a cooperative regional county and municipal authority working together, but also an interstate regional authority with representatives from Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana all working together and cooperating for the good of the entire tri-state area. If someone in Georgia proposed something like that, people would want to know what planet they came from. You cannot get two neighboring counties or cities in Georgia to work together to resolve huge traffic problems with one main traffic artery hurting all of their citizens, let alone anything else. Georgia just might as well concede that all cities, towns, counties, regions, etc. are “gated communities” and if you’re not from around here, your’re not welcome. Besides, what’s all this I hear about transportation problems?, as Emily Latella of Saturday Night Live might have once asked. As long as we have GDOT we can build more roads, more lanes, more restricted lanes, more highways, more arteries, pavement, more cars, more, more, more. Hell, pave the whole damned state just as long as we don’t have to worry about someone who is “from out of state,” or “who ain’t like us.”

Charles

September 30th, 2011
7:00 am

Here are two examples of why Georgia is so badly hit by the recession.

In March 2009, six months into the recession, the state legislature was too busy (repealing gun control laws) to pass a simple procedural law needed to tide MARTA through the crisis. The governor had to issue an emergency order to fix their blunder. And later when Georgia was leading the nation in bank failures, the legislature decided that illegal immigration was the state’s biggest problem.

November 6, 2012

September 30th, 2011
8:51 am

Well, you know, I’ll throw in my two cents worth…….businesses have begun to realize that the problems the Metro Atlanta Region has, particularly the City of Atlanta is not conducive to investing in and hiring new workers. I mean, look at the school systems……who in their right mind would move to the city knowing they had to put their children in ANY city of atlanta school? And then there’s the crime and, worst of all is MARTA, the most ill managed large city transportation system in the country. This system only cares about serving and employing one class of people, i. e., they’re “RACISTS”. And the school board, and the city council and the heads of all the major departments and so on and so on and so on and the stupid, and I mean stupid decision to spend millions and millions on a streetcar that will be bankrupt within three years after starting operation and then there’s the highest water and sewer bills in the world and people working the system that can’t read meters and, I mean…….WHY WOULD YOU LOCATE A BUSINESS HERE???????? The atmosphere is totally, TOTALLY anti-business and then there’s the imcompetent people trying to manage the city, they’re doing about as good a job as Obummer is doing bungling up America…….c’mon, people,it ain’t gonna get any better til it gets better :)

Gkingii

October 2nd, 2011
5:58 pm

Being liberal must be fun. You don’t have to think much. Jay, it’s not the amount of taxes we pay, it’s what government does with them. Overpaying for land in DeKalb, and Gwinnett and Fulton counties to make a beltline park is waste. So is trying to run a county (DeKalb) without professional managers. Then there’s the big transportation tax. Read Kyle Wingfield’s column. Do you think it’s a good idea to build an entirely new rail system that parallels a set of tracks we could use for a whole lot less. Throwing money at problems does not build jobs. It may build political fiefdoms and a lot of stuff we don’t need, but that’s not what you seem to be saying we need.