Atlanta’s great collapse — and no, it’s not the Braves
I hate to bring this up on the morning after the Braves completed their monumental collapse, but ….
“The Atlanta region lost more jobs the last year than any other metro area, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Wednesday, further evidence that the post-recessionary slump here shows little sign of abating.
Metro Atlanta shed 30,800 jobs since August 2010. Kansas City — 12,800 positions erased — was the closest competitor in job-losses. Nearly all of Atlanta’s peer metro areas added at least some jobs amid the slow economic recovery.”
… “Out of almost 400 metropolitan areas, we’re dead last and nobody is competing with us for that distinction,” said Chris Cunningham, a BLS statistician in Atlanta. “It’s pretty bad and it has been the same story for the last two, three years.”
I don’t get it.
You mean that a strategy of cutting taxes lower and lower, of refusing to spend money to modernize the transportation system that made you prosperous in the first place, of slashing state support for k-12 and higher education year after year, of kowtowing to developers and other businesses at the expense of quality of life for those who actually live here, of largely ignoring the needs of your state’s largest metro area — you mean that doesn’t work?
After all that, this is what we get?
– Jay Bookman
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SwedeAtlanta
September 29th, 2011
1:13 pm
TruthBe
First of all I was born and raised in America but I have Scandinavian lineage.
Guess what? The Swedish economy is in so much better shape that the U.S. we could actually learn something from them. They have a booming free-market economy. Their people are highly educated and secondary education is free or affordable for just about anyone in the country. They have some of the best healthcare in the world
The idiots under the Gold Dome will continue to keep their heads in the sand with lower taxes, hating blacks and fags and loving them sum killin of potentially innocents by lethal injection, paying lip service to Jesus and sleeping with their guns.
Kamchak
September 29th, 2011
1:13 pm
OH NOES! NOT THE AD HOMINEM ATTACK AND PASSIVE/AGGRESSIVE CARDS!
I’m melting…melting…melting….
Libertarian
September 29th, 2011
1:13 pm
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
11:33 am
Here we go again with telling me what a “libertarian” should and should not write on the blog. I really get under your skin with my moniker, huh?
MiltonMan
September 29th, 2011
1:14 pm
Recently spotted:
“Reed for GA Gov: He will do for GA what he has done for ATL”
Which is what exactly?
Granny Godzilla
September 29th, 2011
1:15 pm
Strawman
That’s really all he needs.
Over the years (right here on this very blog) it has been painfully obvious that the only folks who think about marrying their dog or goat or horse are right wingers.
Really and Truly.
My position on that remains unchanged.
Let me do the catering.
Libertarian
September 29th, 2011
1:16 pm
Its the left’s fault! No, its the right’s fault!!
That pretty much sums up what is wrong with our country.
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:17 pm
D. DoRight — “I mean, do they think it’s a disease they can catch like, Gaymarriageitis or something?”
Teh S00p@r-ghey.
MountainMan
September 29th, 2011
1:18 pm
No artificial Flavors
As far as throwing the race card around, about the only good place that halfway stands up is in the debate about bringing MARTA to Gwinnett and Cobb. As jay has mentioned here before, check out DC metro before forming an opinion based on the transit bringing thugs into suburbia. I lived in DC and saw no such thing. The eastern green line riders from the mlk/malcom x blvd areas never rode all the way out to Reston or chevy chase.
Go ask the Lennox Square merchants how their customer mix changed when the Lenox MARTA station opened.
Trotsky Foxtrot
September 29th, 2011
1:18 pm
Libertarian: “Its the left’s fault! No, its the right’s fault!!
That pretty much sums up what is wrong with our country.”
You’re only half right.
Mighty Righty
September 29th, 2011
1:18 pm
So the “CITY” run by Democrats has lost jobs and it is the state run by Republicans fault! Maybe those high taxes and poor city services, rotten schools and high crime rates would cause business to locate to the burbs instead of the city. Nah. People like crappy schools, pot hole filled streets , high taxes and crime. Just can’t understand it.
Strawman
September 29th, 2011
1:19 pm
“I will never undersand people’s hang up about gay marriage. I mean, do they think it’s a disease they can catch like, Gaymarriageitis or something?”
One principal concern for me is the potential deleterious effects upon children they raise. And don’t tell me about these liberal “studies” that suggest their is none. If you get upset that there have not been long term studies or drugs that have proved to be harmful to people over time, then you should have the same concern for possible psychological and social consequences. If you are unwilling to bet your own life on your staked position is such important matters, then you shouldn’t be so eager to introduce such a huge change.
Jay
September 29th, 2011
1:20 pm
The bestiality issue is dismissed here:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0713-04.htm
Granny Godzilla
September 29th, 2011
1:20 pm
“Just can’t understand it.”
Another painfully obvious statement.
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:20 pm
Libertarian — “Here we go again with telling me what a “libertarian” should and should not write on the blog.”
If you’re going to go by “Libertarian” and then hold up the ONLY state in the Union with a state-owned, state-run central bank, then I think I’m well in Entitled To Make Fun Of You territory (laughing)
“I really get under your skin with my moniker, huh?”
Not at all! The disconnect between your handle and your stated positions presents me with a juicy, target-rich environment. (giggling)
Libertarian
September 29th, 2011
1:21 pm
“You’re only half right.”
And there you have it.
TruthBe
September 29th, 2011
1:22 pm
Homosexuality is abomination to the LORD thy GOD. It’s a SIN. JESUS CHRIST the LORD thy GOD said to “Love the Sinner and Hate the Sin”. Nowhere and never does JESUS say to embrace sinful perverted behavior of any kind. Gays need help overcoming their sinful behavior just like any other person having troubles with any kind of sin. We shouldn’t may it OK for this sin to be forced onto society.
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:22 pm
Strawman — “One principal concern for me is the potential deleterious effects upon children they raise. And don’t tell me about these liberal “studies” that suggest their is none. If you get upset that there have not been long term studies or drugs that have proved to be harmful to people over time, then you should have the same concern for possible psychological and social consequences. If you are unwilling to bet your own life on your staked position is such important matters, then you shouldn’t be so eager to introduce such a huge change.”
Now I am very interested hearing about your position on anthopogenic climate change.
poison pen
September 29th, 2011
1:23 pm
Granny, Are you bringing MilkBones?
Libertarian
September 29th, 2011
1:23 pm
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:20 pm
We were talking about unemployment. And they have the lowest. You know my point was valid even though you won’t admit it. The state bank is completely irrelevant to the argument.
Granny Godzilla
September 29th, 2011
1:24 pm
Damn Jay…
The menu I could have offered for a fete like that!
Kamchak
September 29th, 2011
1:24 pm
One principal concern for me is the potential deleterious effects upon children they raise.
(Sigh) And which “potential deleterious effects” are those?
Libertarian
September 29th, 2011
1:25 pm
“Homosexuality is abomination to the LORD thy GOD. It’s a SIN. JESUS CHRIST the LORD thy GOD said to “Love the Sinner and Hate the Sin”. Nowhere and never does JESUS say to embrace sinful perverted behavior of any kind. Gays need help overcoming their sinful behavior just like any other person having troubles with any kind of sin. We shouldn’t may it OK for this sin to be forced onto society.”
If I knew how to do the eye-roll thing I would.
You know what else is a sin? Judging others…
And all sins are supposedly equal.
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:25 pm
TruthBe — “the LORD thy GOD”
Lord YOUR god. You don’t speak for everyone, and a good thing it is, too.
Granny Godzilla
September 29th, 2011
1:26 pm
PP
Milk Bones for a man/dog wedding?
Only as an appetizer, thay are pretty good with a seasoned cream cheese.
Trotsky Foxtrot
September 29th, 2011
1:26 pm
nobody: “LOL funny how it doesn’t seem to stop the horde of mexican invaders from setting up shop here. maybe if someone kicked out the mexifags there would be jobs for americans.”
Care to defend your racism?
Granny Godzilla
September 29th, 2011
1:27 pm
TruthBe
Piffle. Sanctimonius piffle.
poison pen
September 29th, 2011
1:28 pm
I believe it also says, ” let those without sin throw the first stone” man there are a lot of rocks thrown here, and a few road apples also.
jm
September 29th, 2011
1:28 pm
“The bestiality issue is dismissed here”
rabbit hole
Mighty Righty
September 29th, 2011
1:28 pm
Granny-I have never met anyone who wanted to marry and animal. Must be friends of yours. I do think most pedophiles are liberals. Weiner and that congressman up in Washington come to mind.
TruthBe
September 29th, 2011
1:28 pm
SwedeAtlanta, Then you should know better. I come from Danish and German lineage. The idiot racists of the democrat party are so corrupt. Where is your anger about them? The gop are no angels either. Are you bias for the democrats???? Be honest if you can.
Kamchak
September 29th, 2011
1:28 pm
If I knew how to do the eye-roll thing I would.
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More here: http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies
jm
September 29th, 2011
1:28 pm
no pun intended….
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:29 pm
Libertarian — “We were talking about unemployment. And they have the lowest.”
I didn’t argue with that.
“You know my point was valid even though you won’t admit it.”
There goes your Windows for Telepaths software again, throwing a General Mindreading Fault. (laughing)
“The state bank is completely irrelevant to the argument.”
Are you SURE? (giggling)
Do you KNOW what the bank DOES? (laughing)
Maybe you need to go do some reading first. Go ahead. I’ll wait.
Logic 101 For Liberals
September 29th, 2011
1:29 pm
Wow, straw..after Jay joined the chorus of stupid dissenting voices, i went back and compiled the responses:
AQ
If that’s the result of your “thinking through” gay marriage, you may want to keep it to yourself. Don’t project your desire to marry your dog onto gay people. Your bizarre fetish for Rover is not their issue.
KutGF
Funny how homosexual acts can lead to beastality as the “slippery slope” but never heterosexual…..Why I do declare….any type of marriage may just lead straight into beastality….
GG
That’s really all he needs. Over the years (right here on this very blog) it has been painfully obvious that the only folks who think about marrying their dog or goat or horse are right wingers. Really and Truly. My position on that remains unchanged. Let me do the catering.
JM:
D. DoRight — “I mean, do they think it’s a disease they can catch like, Gaymarriageitis or something?”
Jay:
The bestiality issue is dismissed here:
You’d think they would have something more bright to say. It’s almost like they are group-think zombies or something.
RB from Gwinnett
September 29th, 2011
1:30 pm
“Last I heard Obama was the President of the UNITED States of America. Not just black america.”
So, voting for democrats does NOTHING for them, right? The dems keep promising them the moon and stars, deliver nothing, and the cycle repeats every few years…
So tell us….why should a black person vote for a democrat then?
Waheema
September 29th, 2011
1:30 pm
Not even Bookman is stupid enough to believe that the reason Atlanta is in the dumps is lower taxes and refusal to spend money on transportation. The polls cited by Bookman show that the voters are very willing to spend money on projects that actually relieve congestion. He knows very well that the city of Atlanta was a giant real estate bubble, hardly caused by kowtowing. Of course in Bookman-land we must rewrite history to “prove” the need for more agressive, more “progressive” government.
Can Bookman’s columns get any dimmer?
Liberal Lemming
September 29th, 2011
1:31 pm
“Maybe you need to go do some reading first.”
Gee, JM. Can you teach me how???
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 29th, 2011
1:31 pm
Oh lordy, the preachers are coming out….
Jay, great link to the FARM bill….. And lest we forget, after the display on our TVs of that Captain Kirk with alien life forms all over the galaxy, we should also be sure to ban intergalatical species from dating, marrying or having sex. Why its disgusting I tell ya…. imagine sexual relations with a alien life form that looks like, oh, Natalie Portman but with 3 breasts….. that is just sickening.
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:31 pm
Righty — “I do think most pedophiles are liberals. Weiner and that congressman up in Washington come to mind.”
You mean Mark Foley? Nope. Republican. (laughing)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_foley
No Artifical Flavors
September 29th, 2011
1:31 pm
@ mountain man, I’m sure it did change some but don’t forget that the “ghetto” dispersion had occurred throughout Atlanta about the same time as the newer Marta stops. The demolition of public housing had something to do with it as well, however you feel about that topic. The fact is that Atlanta is pretty much a crap city everywhere now as the thug lifestyle and culture is praised by music and tv stars in the area and also some in city leadership over the years. In most other cities there are pretty major diving lines of where the good parts end and the bad parts begin. Not so with Atlanta and I don’t think MARTA is to blame. Look at the degradation of places like lawrenceville that fought to keep MARTA out of Gwinnett. There are clearly other factors at play in the plight of a city.
Sean
September 29th, 2011
1:31 pm
Most of these bloggers are so stupid. Read the article in full before making stupid comments. This does not have to do with having a democrat mayor, the President, nor is this the city of Atlanta’s problem. The fact remains that in 2011 this state and the city of Atlanta/metro, is so far behind the times. Manufacturing and construction is your only bread and butter(give me a break). Where is the technology, research and other professional jobs. Economic development is non existant here because major companies do not want to deal with the problems that Atlanta and the state as a whole have. Poor educational system, racism, traffic problems, and crime to name a few.
poison pen
September 29th, 2011
1:31 pm
Joe Mama, Are you sniffing laughing gas today? you sure are giggling a lot.
DebbieDoRight
September 29th, 2011
1:32 pm
Strawman: One principal concern for me is the potential deleterious effects upon children they raise.
My muched loved and muched spoiled neice (niece?) is a product of such a union. My sister in law is gay and she and her wife gave me the best present EVAH, a beautiful neice to love and cherish. Will she suffer any “delet–whatever” problems growing up? Probably no more than any other kid growing up in a hyper-sexual, MTV, anti-logic, society. But will she have two parents who love her and an aunt who ADORES her to help her along the way? You betcha.
And don’t tell me about these liberal “studies” that suggest their is none. If you get upset that there have not been long term studies or drugs that have proved to be harmful to people over time, then you should have the same concern for possible psychological and social consequences.
There are perhaps millions of people who grew up with a supposedly straight mom and dad and later found out that their parent(s) was gay. Not all of them jumped from buildings in shame, some actually decided to deal with it, still love their parents, and move on with their lives.
If you are unwilling to bet your own life on your staked position is such important matters, then you shouldn’t be so eager to introduce such a huge change
I don’t get that part. How is allowing someone to marry who they love, gay/straight/bisexual “betting” my life on a position?
BTW they (purists) said the same thing about interracial marriage and look what happend — we have an interracial president of the US. Doom, Despair and Agony I know.
Granny Godzilla
September 29th, 2011
1:32 pm
Mighty Righty
Can’t deal with the fact that only far right folks think about that kinda thing can ya? Too funny.
Well it’s as plain as the snout/muzzle/nose on your face.
Mick
September 29th, 2011
1:34 pm
rb
Why should a person with middle class income vote for a republican? Aren’t they the ones obsessed with protecting the wealthy class?
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:35 pm
L101 — “You’d think they would have something more bright to say. It’s almost like they are group-think zombies or something.”
Said the guy whose post was 90% cut-and-paste.
Monomath
September 29th, 2011
1:35 pm
“He could personally save me and my wife from a house fire and I still wouldn’t shake his hand.”
You assume a lot, JM. He may not wish to save you from a fire (for obvious reasons). And if so, he surely would not want to shake you hand.
poison pen
September 29th, 2011
1:35 pm
Sean
” Most of these bloggers are so stupid. Read the article in full before making stupid comments. This does not have to do with having a democrat mayor, the President, nor is this the city of Atlanta’s problem. The fact remains that in 2011 this state and the city of Atlanta/metro, is so far behind the times. Manufacturing and construction is your only bread and butter(give me a break). Where is the technology, research and other professional jobs. Economic development is non existant here because major companies do not want to deal with the problems that Atlanta and the state as a whole have. Poor educational system, racism, traffic problems, and crime to name a few.”
Sean, You could honestly say that for just about any state in the union. Racism isn’t one of them however.
GE, Just went to China as did a few other companies, it’s because of cheap labor, low taxes and almost no emission standards.
jm
September 29th, 2011
1:35 pm
is there an upper case JM floating around here?
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:36 pm
L. Lemming — “Gee, JM. Can you teach me how???”
Are you admitting that you’re not equal to the task before you? (laughing)
AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!
September 29th, 2011
1:36 pm
I do think most pedophiles are liberals.
“Don’t think, Meat. ~Crash in Bull Durham
#Republican U.S. Justice Department official John David R. Atchison, 53, an assistant U.S. attorney from the northern district of Florida, has been arrested on suspicion of traveling to Detroit over the weekend to have sex with a 5 year old child. An undercover officer posed as a mother offering her child to Atchison for sex, according to police. In deposition, detectives said Atchison suggested the mother tell her daughter that “you found her a sweet boyfriend who will bring her presents.”
The undercover detective expressed concern about physical injury to the 5-year-old girl as a result of the sexual activity. Detectives said Atchison responded, ” I am always gentle and loving; not to worry, no damage ever, no rough stuff ever. I only like it soft and nice.” The undercover detective asked how Atchison can be certain of no injury. He responded, “Just gotta go slow and very easy. I’ve done it plenty,” according to detectives.
# Republican city councilman John Bryan killed himself after police began investigating allegations that he had molested three girls, including two of his adopted daughters, ages 12 and 15.
# The former head of the Michigan Federation of Young Republicans, Michael Flory, admitted Tuesday
that he sexually abused a colleague during a national convention in Cleveland last summer
pleaded guilty to sexual battery on the day his rape trial was to begin.
#Brian J. Doyle, the Deputy Press Secretary for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Public Affairs in Washington, was arrested on 23 Polk County charges related to the use of a computer to seduce a child and transmitting harmful materials to a minor. 7 counts Use of a Computer to Seduce a Child, and 16 counts of Transmission of Harmful Material to a Minor.
#Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after “sexually explicit” e-mails
surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year-old boy.
#Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year-old girl on the Internet.
#Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year-old girl.
#Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an
8-year-old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.
#Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year-old girl and was sentenced to 10 years’ probation.
#Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year-old boy.
#Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.
#Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.
#Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13- and 14-year-old girls.
#Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
#Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year-old girls.
#Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the Internet.
#Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year-old girls.
#Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11
and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
#Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his
daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
#Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy
and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.
#Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
#Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year-old girl he murdered.
#Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
#Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years’ probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year-old girl.
#Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year-old black girl, which produced a child.
#Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
#Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
#Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year-old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
When you’re done reading through those Mighty Wrongly, I’ll be glad to list lots more. Seriously…
Logical Dude
September 29th, 2011
1:36 pm
Strawman: Let’s say we allow gay marriage. Then some people really into beastiality start clamoring for their right to marry their dogs (or whatever)?
Did you REALLY compare two consenting adults to a person and an animal? REALLY?????
REEEEAAAAAALLLLLLYYYYY?????????
MiltonMan
September 29th, 2011
1:36 pm
Swede bragging about Sweden but at the same time avoiding all the negative aspects of such a wonderful country:
(1) No mention of having a low Gini??? For you libs, that is a measurement that you will love – measures the “flatness” of wealth distribution. A low Gini – Sweden has one of the lowest – signifies that wealth distribution is alive & well.
(2) Free education??? I guess you never heard of “nothing is free” before. The “free” education is paid for by high (one of the highest) rates of individual tax liabilities & a VAT tax of 20+%. All children receive “free” meals at school.
(3) Sweden currently has a sitting King which is nothing more than a figure head. Last time I checked, the US won it’s independence from a King.
(4) Sweden is part of the EU. No need to elaborate on that one.
(5) 24 sick days granted to each employee
(6) 80% of all employees are a member of a union
(7) 33% of all employees are employed by the government – federal or local
Granny Godzilla
September 29th, 2011
1:36 pm
Joe Mama
90% cut and paste and brand spanking new name to boot…..
Logic 101 For Liberals
September 29th, 2011
1:36 pm
“Said the guy whose post was 90% cut-and-paste.”
I see you only cut and paste 70% of your paste. I should learn from my betters, true that.
DebbieDoRight
September 29th, 2011
1:37 pm
I do think most pedophiles are liberals
Two Words. Mark. Foley.
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:37 pm
P. Pen — “Joe Mama, Are you sniffing laughing gas today? you sure are giggling a lot.”
Your ideological compatriots are giving me a lot to laugh at today.
poison pen
September 29th, 2011
1:37 pm
Granny, That was terrible, funny but terrible. I’m still laughing.
poison pen
September 29th, 2011
1:38 pm
Joe, Not all of them are my compatriots, just the moderate ones, like myself.
TruthBe
September 29th, 2011
1:39 pm
Granny, Righteous yes! Looks like you are still lost and confused.
Joe Mama, Weclome back. When did you get out of drug rehab??
Libertarian, Poor you. Lost? Need help?
Liberal Lemming
September 29th, 2011
1:39 pm
“Are you admitting that you’re not equal to the task before you? (laughing) ”
What’s a task?
jm
September 29th, 2011
1:39 pm
In January 2008, speaking from the pulpit where King had family ties at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, Obama told a large congregation that King’s vision of a colorblind America is unrealized. But he raised some eyebrows when he said blacks bear some responsibility; clashes with Jews, suspicion of immigrants and widespread homophobia in the African American community, he said, show “none of our hands are entirely clean.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64680_Page2.html#ixzz1ZMeJyEvj
Mighty Righty
September 29th, 2011
1:40 pm
Add Barney Frank to my list.
Aquagirl
September 29th, 2011
1:40 pm
Is that all you have AQ – a childish ad hominem attack? Really? I guess I pegged you for being a bit smarter than that.
This from the guy who equates bestiality with marriage between two consenting adults who, unlike you, have never held forth about marrying a dog?
Tell you what: if you find a dog that is capable of making legal decisions for their spouse, you can collapse on the ad hominem fainting couch. Until then, it’s a quite legitimate question—why is your mind boomeranging from human beings towards that sexy little stray at the shelter you can’t quite forget?
There is no logical basis for your brain to go there, so I am all ears to your strained explanations. I doubt you can do anything beyond “ooohh, um…..ad hominem!”
Dr. Freud is ready when you are! Let’s hear it, honey! Why do you free-associate from gay marriage to bestiality?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 29th, 2011
1:40 pm
Strawman: principal concern for me is the potential deleterious effects upon children they raise
As far as I can tell, worrying about the “potential deleterious effects upon children they raise” is another false attack. If we were truly worried about those effects, why do we not focus on single parent families, improving parental skills of any family, worry about the potential effects of radical biblical beliefs or conservatism, or any of the other factors which may have an effect upon children. Why are we not focused on educating and training any and all people to be good parents, no matter what their sexual orientation.
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:43 pm
Monomath — “You assume a lot, JM.”
I made no assumptions. I made an assertion. Perhaps you don’t know the difference.
“He may not wish to save you from a fire (for obvious reasons).”
Which would be his choice in so doing. No doubt you noticed that the saving-from-fire situation which I posited was *conjectural.* Then again, perhaps you didn’t; you do seem rather thick.
“And if so, he surely would not want to shake you hand.”
Then he would be spared the embarrassment of one of his constituents refusing to shake *his* hand. (laughing)
jm
September 29th, 2011
1:43 pm
“Atlanta’s great collapse ”
Too much fried chicken, hamburgers, Krispy Kreme donuts, BBQ aided and abetted by an overly auto-dependent society and roads clogged with cars. And dehydrated from lack of water.
Kamchak
September 29th, 2011
1:44 pm
Why are we not focused on educating and training any and all people to be good parents, no matter what their sexual orientation.
Because “teh gay” is transmitted through contagious cooties.
Granny Godzilla
September 29th, 2011
1:44 pm
TruthBe
Lost and Confused? Nope.
Jesus told me just this morning that I was doing fine.
The his momma confirmed it!
Want me to ask them about you?
Intelligent
September 29th, 2011
1:45 pm
Hey Steve, He said the metro REGION. You idiot.
DannyX
September 29th, 2011
1:45 pm
“Did you REALLY compare two consenting adults to a person and an animal? REALLY?????”
Well look what happened when gays were allowed to get a drivers license,
next thing you know dogs were lined up to get a drivers license. Not a day goes by where you don’t come across some dumb b%#*% trying to lick its own butt clean while driving.
jm
September 29th, 2011
1:45 pm
Tea party gets bad rap for telling truth
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110929/OPINION03/109290333/Tea-party-gets-bad-rap-for-telling-truth#ixzz1ZMfbaZoh
Best I can tell, their major offense is holding Washington accountable. Listen to them, as I did on Mackinac Island last week during the Republican Leadership Conference, and the only demand you hear is that politicians stop mortgaging America’s future to reckless spending and swelling deficits.
All they want is for politicians to finally do what both Democrats and Republicans always said they’d do — make the government live within its means — but never got around to doing until the tea party forced their hand.
In other words, THE TEA PARTY IS THE ADULT in a roomful of overindulged children who resent the call to accountability. How much greater would the debt be today, how much larger the deficit, if the tea party hadn’t shouted, “Enough!”
From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110929/OPINION03/109290333/Tea-party-gets-bad-rap-for-telling-truth#ixzz1ZMfhxkwM
DebbieDoRight
September 29th, 2011
1:45 pm
From Jay’s link: “Once marriage is no longer confined to a man and a woman,” Dailey warned, “it is impossible to exclude virtually any relationship between two or more partners of either sex � even nonhuman ‘partners.’
I think I have a solution. Instead of defining marriage as between a man and a woman, define it as “between two HUMAN beings.” That way no one can marry their dog.
Unless of course the dog really, really, really wants to get married.
Bosch
September 29th, 2011
1:46 pm
Good grief how did we get to animal marriage?
Oh and TruthBe if your Lord doesn’t like gay marriage whatever, but mine thinks it’s ok.
real john
September 29th, 2011
1:46 pm
Jay,
Steve’s earlier comment is relevant. While I know the figures you site our the Atlanta Metro region as a whole; the city of Atlanta certainly has a role in that, wouldn’t you agree?
Maybe if we didn’t have entire school districts loosing accreditation (see Clayton County) or public officials instructing teachers in our flagship district to cheat on tests, maybe our persception might be a little better. Oh, I forgot, that doesn’t suit your agenda so you won’t include that aspect.
I always forget, if we were to only build rail in Alanta, gold would fall from the sky and this would be utopia….gosh, silly me
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:47 pm
L 101 — “I should learn from my betters, true that.”
You should, and perhaps you shall.
If you have anything substantive to post, then bring it on.
Granny Godzilla
September 29th, 2011
1:47 pm
PP
If you are talking about the milk bones thing….it’s true.
The ‘Zillettes got into a box of them years ago. I tried one too what the heck. Tastes just like a rye crisp cracker.
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:48 pm
TruthBe — “Joe Mama, Weclome back. When did you get out of drug rehab?”
Three weeks before YOU did. Any luck kicking the airplane glue and hairspray thing?
Granny Godzilla
September 29th, 2011
1:49 pm
Danny X
Very very funny.
RB from Gwinnett
September 29th, 2011
1:49 pm
“Why should a person with middle class income vote for a republican? ”
Gee, I don’t know… maybe because they have a brain and know giving their hard earned money to worthles government bureacrats to squander is dumb??
real john
September 29th, 2011
1:50 pm
BTW, Jay as a conservative I USED to stand up for you. Occasionally I found points I would agree with you on. However, yesterday, when you made the comment to the affect of you would have to be a crazy to be in the Republican party, you totally lost all respect. I know you are paid to write editorials, but that was over the line and totally unprofessional.
At least Kyle actually bangs on the Republcians when he disagrees and feels they are out of line. You have flown so far over the top at this point, I don’t think I will even continue to read your articles. Its not even written with any sort of thought at this point
Granny Godzilla
September 29th, 2011
1:50 pm
DDR
But what if the poor bitch is with puppies?
Logical Dude
September 29th, 2011
1:50 pm
jm: THE TEA PARTY IS THE ADULT
I would almost agree with that, except when the fear of ANY tax increase to balance the budget is met with such disdain.
Spending cuts AND tax increases (or revenue increases if you like) are both needed to balance the budget and pay down the debt.
When they come up with “Taxed Enough Already” when we have one of the lowest tax rates in living history, then well. . . they lose credibility. Lots of credibility.
jm
September 29th, 2011
1:51 pm
Cain in the WSJ
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204226204576599031274832242.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
Joe Mama
September 29th, 2011
1:51 pm
jm — “In other words, THE TEA PARTY IS THE ADULT in a roomful of overindulged children who resent the call to accountability.”
The minute the Tea Party stops screaming about taxes and spending and shows a REAL COMMITMENT to retiring our national debt — which means revenue increases IN ADDITION to spending cuts — then I’ll start paying attention to them.
AFAICS, they’re one-trick ponies, and there’s nothing adult about cutting spending AND revenue at the same time.
Strawman
September 29th, 2011
1:52 pm
“There is no logical basis for your brain to go there, so I am all ears to your strained explanations. I doubt you can do anything beyond “ooohh, um…..ad hominem!”
Hey, genius: first, my post was a response to HDB and not a peep from you or your liberal clones about the principal subject of that post. Do you even recall? Secondly, let’s put you in the dock a bit: what are the grounds for your moral positions? Is is what the majority thinks? What seems right to you at this point in time? Do you think adultery is okay (it’s not illegal any more you know)? How about having sex with a 13 year old as an adult (people married at this age in earlier times you know)? You answer some of these questions and I will answer you rather dumb and contrived question about slippery slopes…deal?
ryan
September 29th, 2011
1:52 pm
Jay has this half right, transportation absolutely is an issue when companies chose not to relocate here, but so is local government. I have lived in the city of Atlanta for eleven years and would not operate a business within city limits. Our water bills are atrocious, our elevated property taxes do not reflect market conditions and the mayor seems more interested in drumming up support for Obama’s second term than doing his job. Also political parties share in the blame, California has hemorraged jobs the past decade and look who runs that state- my goodness they just elected a 70’s relic out there.
jm
September 29th, 2011
1:52 pm
Liberals interfering with the operations of the Fed. Treason.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/for-barney-frank-no-fed-dissent-will-do/2011/09/27/gIQAWlne5K_story.html
TruthBe
September 29th, 2011
1:53 pm
Granny, Yes! If it will get you on you’re knees praying to the LORD JESUS CHRIST. Have Fun.
Liberal Lemming
September 29th, 2011
1:54 pm
“I think I have a solution. Instead of defining marriage as between a man and a woman, define it as “between two HUMAN beings.” That way no one can marry their dog. ”
How bout dawgs? Or Hos?
Trotsky Foxtrot
September 29th, 2011
1:54 pm
“I do think most pedophiles are liberals”
Need I say it?
Howwwwwwwwwler of the day.
SOUTHERN ATL
September 29th, 2011
1:54 pm
AmVet@1:36 that was a lot to absorb at one time…..what a shame!!!
TruthBe
September 29th, 2011
1:54 pm
Joe Mama, No the model airplane looks great. Sorry about you. Maybe next time.
DannyX
September 29th, 2011
1:56 pm
“But what if the poor bitch is with puppies?”
Right back at you Granny, hilarious.
Liberal Lemming
September 29th, 2011
1:57 pm
“Good grief how did we get to animal marriage?”
My menturs came…I mean went off on it.
TruthBe
September 29th, 2011
1:58 pm
ryan, On the money with that one.
Liberal Lemming
September 29th, 2011
1:58 pm
“AFAICS, they’re one-trick ponies..”
JM…tell me yo aint think about doing it with a horse now? Man, sty away from me!
Aquagirl
September 29th, 2011
1:59 pm
Good grief how did we get to animal marriage?
I think Strawman’s therapist might be the only one who could answer that question.
Trotsky Foxtrot
September 29th, 2011
2:01 pm
ryan: “Also political parties share in the blame, California has hemorraged jobs the past decade and look who runs that state- my goodness they just elected a 70’s relic out there.”
C’mon son, you’re being a little uh selective there in your example selection, don’t you think?
You mention California’s ungovernability and neglect to mention Mistah Terminata, their artificially imposed budget restrictions which go back decades and are directly attributable to its disastrous ballot initiatives and direct democracy?
You mention the Atlanta mayor’s plugging for Obama but neglect to mention the financial and budgetary pressures put on the city by a hostile political and cultural environment?
Why the selective vision?
SwedeAtlanta
September 29th, 2011
2:01 pm
Milton Man
And your point is?
Yes, they have retained their monarchy as a constitutional monarchy as part of their heritage. They have a King, we have football stars.
Yes, wealth is relatively distributed across the populace. There are many wealthy Swedes as well but when I talk to many of my friends that are highly educated people that could have more MONEY if they lived somewhere else they reply that they are very content with their lives and are glad poverty is limited.
No, nothing is free. You are correct they pay very high taxes. The point being, however, that every student that has the aptitude and desire to get a furhter education doesn’t leave school in debt thousands of dollars. They have, on average, a much more highly educated workforce than in this country.
Children in their school system actually leave it with solid skills in reading, writing, math, science, history.
They don’t fear getting sick. They don’t fear growing old and living in poverty.
They cherish their free time and mandate it. They believe that new borns should bond with their parents and mandate extensive maternal and paternal leave.
And year after year when measurements are made of overall happiness, Sweden, not unlike most other European countries, ranks much higher than the U.S. Most of them aren’t driven by the need to accmulate more and more stuff in order to be happy. What is wrong with that?