Does Rick Perry ‘heart’ illegal immigrants?

In his most recent disastrous debate performance, Texas Gov. Rick Perry did say one thing that made sense. And of course, that one statement proved to be his most disastrous of the evening.

The topic was a Texas law signed by Perry that allows illegal immigrants brought to Texas as children by their parents to pay in-state tuition rates in Texas colleges and universities.

“If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they’ve been brought there through no fault of their own, I don’t think you have a heart,” Perry said. “We need to be educating these children, because they will become a drag on our society.”

As a rule, you don’t win the Republican presidential nomination by accusing Republican voters of being heartless. In a new, videotaped interview with Newsmax — an outlet I don’t usually cite for accuracy reasons — Perry tried to soft-pedal if not back-paddle on that statement.

“I probably chose a poor word to explain that,” he said. “For people who don’t want their state to be giving tuition to illegal aliens, illegal immigrants in this country, that’s their call and I respect that. I was probably a bit overpassionate by using that word and it was inappropriate. But here’s what I do believe, that it is a state’s sovereign right to decide that issue for themselves.

“In Texas in 2001 we had 181 – 181 members of the Legislature — only four voted against this piece of legislation, because it wasn’t about immigration, it was about education. The bigger issue is that the federal government has failed in its constitutional duty to protect the borders.”

In politics, it can be dangerous to be right about the wrong things.

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Schrodinger's cat

September 28th, 2011
4:23 pm

Schrodinger's cat

September 28th, 2011
4:24 pm

I’m not sure how much of Perry to pay attention to, I don’t think he’ll be there in the end

jm

September 28th, 2011
4:27 pm

Jay, I know you have more power than a Democratic party operative. But you really should just consider enlisting in meetup.org or just go straight to working for the DNC. Really.

Paul

September 28th, 2011
4:28 pm

“In politics, it can be dangerous to be right about the wrong things.”

Especially in the Republican primaries.

I agree with Gov Perry on this issue. Not because it’s a ’sovereign state’ thing. Or because of what the feds have or have not done. It’s based on the belief it’s difficult to go wrong by educating kids.

To put things in perspective:

– as Jay noted, the program had overwhelming support in the heavily Republican legislature
– it’s been in effect for ten years
– students have to have “lived in the state for three years leading to high school graduation, completed their studies for a diploma or a GED, and enrolled at a public higher education institution”
- the students represent “about 1 percent of all students enrolled in the state’s colleges and universities”

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/09/27/3401918/rick-perry-an-immigration-radical.html

More irony. The issue that will garner him moderate support, Hispanic support, is the issue that Republican activists and Tea Partiers will seize on to keep him from the nomination.

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
4:28 pm

Mr. Cat

I think he was the Flavor of the Month as Cain said (that he wasn’t).

Plus Paul hates him, so that’s good enough for me! :)

Ernesto

September 28th, 2011
4:30 pm

Former Pres. Bush and Gov. Perry have similar views on immigration. Maybe they know that a “deport them all” policy is not possible and not going to fix our immigration system.

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
4:31 pm

Ernesto,

Yeah, even those morons know more than the “deport them all” crowd, that’s pretty sad.

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
4:32 pm

Oh Paul, Gordo left you a response downstairs and did you see what I wrote? That second dog video I posted made me laugh so hard I slobbered on my keyboard, and I really think I hurt something inside.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

September 28th, 2011
4:33 pm

Well, Perry was doing just great till he started talking. Like I said before, he’d be alot better off to just say “I agree with that feller over there.”

I was watching the debate the other night and getting this tingle up both legs when I saw Perry and then he talked about how I was heartless for not wanting taxes to go to tuition for illegals and all of a sudden I went limp as a 105 year old on his wedding night.

Anyhow, Perry’s done for, and all I can say in the best tradition of Kamchak is, NEXT!

Schrodinger's cat

September 28th, 2011
4:33 pm

Bush and Perry could have had similar views but for entirely different reasons….I can’t peculate beyond that

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
4:34 pm

” because it wasn’t about immigration, it was about education. The bigger issue is that the federal government has failed in its constitutional duty to protect the borders.”

And that’s right up there with Peadawg and GLL quality deflection there, Mr. Perry, and that’s saying something.

out of the blue

September 28th, 2011
4:34 pm

It amazes me! Why would anyone proclaim FIRST on a blog?

Is there a prize…some kinda bragging rights…. It seems kind of juvenile to me!

Schrodinger's cat

September 28th, 2011
4:35 pm

Make that “speculate”

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 28th, 2011
4:35 pm

Regarding Perry’s candidacy, the only significant question is whether or not he would be a bigger, smaller of about the same unmitigated disaster as the last Texas governor who occupied the West Wing.

Best to play it safe, and never let the nation find out the hard way again…

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
4:35 pm

out of the blue,

We are easily entertained. Don’t fault us. :)

Paul

September 28th, 2011
4:36 pm

Bosch

The response was more of the “I type words so that counts for something, and… oh yeah, Obamacare!!”

That video – I’ll see you in the ER to get my internal organs fixed!

Schrodinger's cat

September 28th, 2011
4:36 pm

Paint me juvenile then….I didn’t start the trend

Jay

September 28th, 2011
4:37 pm

That’s because you’re 15th, blue.

“I’m 15th!” just doesn’t have the same ring to it.

Paul

September 28th, 2011
4:38 pm

Bosch

Okay, I saw the followup. Better than the initial.

Matti's Probiotic Supplement

September 28th, 2011
4:38 pm

Does he? I don’t know. Does the maid’s son look just like him?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 28th, 2011
4:41 pm

Perry was right the first time….it is heartless and shows a lack of compassion. Its just too bad in the pandering that politicians will not stand up and speak the truth.

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
4:41 pm

Paul,

Can internal organs have that kind of shaken syndrome? I think that’s what just happened to me.

Paul

September 28th, 2011
4:44 pm

Bosch

They’re designed to take only so much.

Out for a while.

out of the blue

September 28th, 2011
4:45 pm

Holey Moley Jay….15th you say! Where is my couch, I believe, I feel a fainting spell coming on. Oh, the horrors..my children are livid with my inept posting abilities.

Jay

September 28th, 2011
4:46 pm

It’s OK blue. We won’t tell if you don’t.

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
4:46 pm

out of the blue,

You can try for firsties on page 2, that’s almost just as good!

Strawman

September 28th, 2011
4:47 pm

Jay, I have a hypothetical question for you. Let’s say you and whoever might live with you go on a vacation (like you just did) and, while you are away, some vagrants move into your house. When you come back, you find them there – acting as if they were at home. You also discover that, although they have eaten some of your food and (of course) added to your water and electricity bill, they have mowed the grass for you and generally kept the place up. You have the thought to call the police, but you know they generally do not enforce the law pertaining to your situation. Do you just let them stay there (after all, they were on the street)? If not, why would anyone consider this any different than people moving into our country illegally and consuming resources (like emergency medical services and educational services that are paid largely through property taxes) for which they are not paying?

It seems to me that the typical liberal response is an ad hominem one: to say such things, you must me a bigot, racist, alienophobe (my term – doubt it exists) or the offspring of Hitler. I guess that is how political correctness works: shame people into submission, just like on the old schoolyard. What I want to know is when did we stop calling wrongdoing wrongdoing?

As usual, our government has gotten us into a mess. And we, the citizens, have to pay the consequences. I personally think Mexicans and Canadians ought to be given the most preferential immigration opportunities – they are our neighbors. Give them a three year work permit and, if after that, they prove to be good citizens and want to stay, let them become citizens. The ones who are here illegally already need to either agree to pay a stiff penalty in order to get a work permit or be deported. Any employer who knowingly employs an immigrant without a work permit would be fined out of existence. I don’t know if this is the best plan or not – it’s off the top of my head. But at least it does not condone or excuse wrongdoing.

Peadawg

September 28th, 2011
4:47 pm

Jay, really? I’m in moderation? Fine, I’ll take out the bad part.

Nice to know you’re thinking about me all the time, Bosch. You must be singing, “Peadawg On My Mind”.

On topic, I don’t agree w/ Perry on this one (among other things). Make them pay out-of-state tuition or, better yet, do what the GA BOR did and just not allow illegals in USG public colleges.

Matti's Probiotic Supplement

September 28th, 2011
4:49 pm

Sometimes I’m first, but I never boast about it, because it’s not feminine to boast.

harvey

September 28th, 2011
4:50 pm

I don’t want illegals to get taxpayer money for their education either. But, in one respect he has a point. If the federal government is NOT going to do its job and secure the borders and return these criminals to Mexico, then I guess it is better that the criminals are educated. Maybe they will grow up to support themselves and even pay taxes. Novel idea.

Gordon

September 28th, 2011
4:50 pm

Paul

September 28th, 2011
4:38 pm
Bosch

Okay, I saw the followup. Better than the initial.

My ears are burning!

Schrodinger's cat

September 28th, 2011
4:50 pm

I’m getting T-shirts made….

TM

September 28th, 2011
4:50 pm

And just what has Obama done or said about these children during the last 3 years?- nothing.

Joe Mama

September 28th, 2011
4:52 pm

OOTB — “It amazes me! Why would anyone proclaim FIRST on a blog?”

“Is there a prize…some kinda bragging rights…. It seems kind of juvenile to me!”

It’s an old internet tradition. Well, as old as the internet is, anyway. Kind of like Leetspeak.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 28th, 2011
4:52 pm

Make them pay out-of-state tuition or, better yet, do what the GA BOR did and just not allow illegals in USG public colleges.

Yes Pea the Compassionate…. because if a child is brought into this country unlawfully at age 1, lets be sure to punish that child for the acts of the parents by making sure that the child cannot get education and contribute to society. Let’s make sure they are a drain and non-contributing part of society.

Should we punish all bad parenting. Parents whose children get pregnant out of wedlock or who commit a crime. Let’s take it out on all the family. Scarlet letters, loss of rights, etc.

out of the blue

September 28th, 2011
4:56 pm

Bosch…”You can try for firsties on page 2, that’s almost just as good!

Refreshing to my ears and ego to hear that Bosch!

Jay

September 28th, 2011
5:00 pm

Untrue, TM. He has been, dare I say, a “fierce advocate” of the DREAM Act.

Earlier this month, for example:

“President Obama told an Hispanic audience Wednesday night he will do “everything in my power” to enact the Dream Act, which would prevent the deportation of illegal immigrants studying at American colleges or having served in the military.”

DREAM = Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors

Schrodinger's cat

September 28th, 2011
5:00 pm

Wait….are you saying that there is no prize?

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
5:01 pm

I was reading a story the other day where a group of professors had started teaching undocumented people classes on their own time- good for them!

Strawman

September 28th, 2011
5:01 pm

“Yes Pea the Compassionate…. because if a child is brought into this country unlawfully at age 1, lets be sure to punish that child for the acts of the parents by making sure that the child cannot get education and contribute to society.”

There we go with the sophistry of political correctness. I guess you imagine that, whereas in almost every other facet of life innocents pay for the wrongdoing of others, this inevitability ought to be artificially suspended for the children of illegal immigrants. You must not be a parent. Parents DO suffer consequences for their children’s behavior, even if that doesn’t usually involve jail time.

Jay

September 28th, 2011
5:02 pm

Only liberals are eligible, Cat.

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
5:02 pm

Mr. Cat

The prize is internal satisfaction.

Joe Mama

September 28th, 2011
5:04 pm

Bosch — “The prize is internal satisfaction.”

Surely that’s a quality that all felines *already* possess in abundance?

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
5:04 pm

Oops left out the fact that those profs were from Athens…

Tom Middleton

September 28th, 2011
5:04 pm

Well, there goes “Compassionate Conservatism,” if there ever was such a thing. Besides, the “I hate everybody but those with money” kind seems much, much more accurate, which also eliminates the term “Christian Conservatism.”

My, my, my, is the Republican Party in trouble or what? Too bad for them that they don’t even know it – yet!

Schrodinger's cat

September 28th, 2011
5:05 pm

For a second I thought it said “edible”

Jay

September 28th, 2011
5:06 pm

That’s right. Only liberals are eligible for the prize of internal satisfaction.

:>)

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
5:06 pm

Joe Mama

Excellent and most valid point.

Strawman

September 28th, 2011
5:07 pm

“Well, there goes “Compassionate Conservatism,” if there ever was such a thing. Besides, the “I hate everybody but those with money” kind seems much, much more accurate, which also eliminates the term “Christian Conservatism.” ”

He says, as he speeds by three homeless men on his way to the bar after work.

Strawman

September 28th, 2011
5:10 pm

“Only liberals are eligible for the prize of internal satisfaction.”

And sometime conservatives who get the hypothetical questions they pose to liberals actually answered.

Joe Mama

September 28th, 2011
5:12 pm

Strawman — “And sometime conservatives who get the hypothetical questions they pose to liberals actually answered.”

Regrettably, the reverse set of circumstances is even more rare. Some say it died out along with the passenger pigeon.

Joe Mama

September 28th, 2011
5:12 pm

Oh, BTW, second-page firsties.

Tom Middleton

September 28th, 2011
5:12 pm

Well, it’s easier to live with oneself knowing that you’re not screwing everyone over every chance you get. It’s a great cure for paranoia, and besides, what luxary car, yacht, or mansion could be better than this?

Schrodinger's cat

September 28th, 2011
5:13 pm

FWIW….Dogs have owners, cats have staff…..gotta go

Strawman

September 28th, 2011
5:14 pm

“Some say it died out along with the passenger pigeon.”

LOL. You and what other person?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 28th, 2011
5:14 pm

Cat, I do realize parents and families suffer emotionally and in other ways from the acts of other family members. However, the civilized part of our society should be doing all that we can to minimize the sufferings of others for the uncontrollable acts of others. We do not have a formalized punishment and yet some suggest that the innocent be punished for the acts of the parents.

So where do you stand? In support of DREAM or for the denial of education to innocents? We know where Pea stands.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 28th, 2011
5:15 pm

Strawman, what if there were no hypothetical questions? (grin)

One of the exceptionally few things that George got right was the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007.

And the pragmatism-free, rabid righties went friggin’ berserk.

And offered nothing of any real substance to address the problem.

And they act offended at the absolute correct moniker as the Party of No…

RAMBLE ON!!!

September 28th, 2011
5:16 pm

“In politics, it can be dangerous to be right about the wrong things.”

In journalism, it can be dangerous to be wrong about the right things. Which you usually are Jay.

Schrodinger's cat

September 28th, 2011
5:18 pm

Keep -I kind of agree with Perry and a bit with Pea…Not sure how “fair” it is to offer in-state tuition to someone not a legal resident of the state…I’m sure that there is some middle ground though

JohnnyReb

September 28th, 2011
5:18 pm

Republicans have written off California. The party will help fund individual races there, but presidential candidates hardly visit and no RNC funds will be wasted. We cannot lose Florida and Texas similarly. The big question is, which immigration policy will help keep the two states out of the Democratic pocket? Moonbats may think the answer is obvious, i.e., pass the Dream Act. However, there is the possibility that naturalized citizens are against illegals and therefore oppose policy such as the Dream Act.

pogo

September 28th, 2011
5:19 pm

We “cons” appreciate your apparent obsession with helping us choose the right candidate for the 2012 election Jay, but couldn’t you just once write about the utter and complete failure that is the Obama administration? No, you probably can’t.

Ever heard of the Federal Finance Bank? You will. It has been around a long time. It is a Taxpayer funded bank that operates with virtually no congressional oversight which has no lending limit and is ripe for abuse by corrupt politicians. Apparently “Chicago Barry” has used it to funnel money to his “favorite” companies without anyone really noticing. You know, the “under the radar” type thing. It looks like the scheme Obama uses is to funnel money to companies and unions through this bank under the name of “stimulus” and then they are beholding to him in return for campaign funds and support. And apparently, as evidenced by Solyndra, it doesn’t matter if they succeed or not. Solyndra received money through this bank as recently as a month before they went bankrupt. Another words, us taxpayers are funding his and other democratic politicians election coffers. I don’t believe that is the way it is supposed to be (by law). I would be very surprised if officials in the Obama administration don’t serve time before it is all over with. Obama truly did bring Chicago style politics to Washington. And he is about to pay for it.

I do love to see Rham Emanuel squirming in Chicago though. He is now enacting spending controls for the city that he would never have advocated for our nation when he was Chief of Staff for Obama. I guess the pool of public money just isn’t as big!

Jay

September 28th, 2011
5:20 pm

Strawman, as to your hypothetical, I just don’t accept the parallel you claim to have created.

The reality is that we essentially invited these people here, choosing to look the other way year after year, choosing not to enforce our laws because we wanted them to come and do our dirty work. A lot of conservatives don’t like to acknowledge that fact, just as they don’t like to acknowledge that GOP officials — see, Chambliss, Kingston, Deal, etc. — played prominent roles in STOPPING the feds from enforcing the law.

It is nonetheless the awkward truth. To now condemn these illegal immigrants as lawbreakers when in reality we made no effort to enforce that law is hypocritical.

Strawman

September 28th, 2011
5:20 pm

“In journalism, it can be dangerous to be wrong about the right things. ”

Ouch. But that applies to all areas of life, not just journalism or politics. So cut Jay a break; he actually engages in debate and tries to be reasonable about things.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 28th, 2011
5:23 pm

And the 2011 GOP laughfest rolls merrily along…

“African-Americans have been brainwashed into not being open minded, not even considering a conservative point of view,” Cain said on CNN’s “The Situation Room” in an interview airing Wednesday between 5-7 p.m. ET. “I have received some of that same vitriol simply because I am running for the Republican nomination as a conservative. So it’s just brainwashing and people not being open minded, pure and simple.”

Like Herman is open-minded???

Or a conservative???

Too funny.

Must have been more than cheese and pepperoni on those pizzas…

Jefferson

September 28th, 2011
5:23 pm

I thought Christy was the hot snot of the week, after Cain bumped Perry in FLA. Proof Cain has ZERO chance, his own people dis’ em’. What a fickle crowd, who tells ya’ll what you want for supper?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 28th, 2011
5:23 pm

Cat, we’ll disagree then. If the child lives in this state after being brought here as a young minor, pays taxes as everyone else, is contributing to this state, then a piece of paper should not be the difference between them and the kid next door who happened to be born here. Now we can play socratic method and go through all the variables but why punish the innocent child for the acts of the parents? What is the justification? That the parents broke the law?

pogo

September 28th, 2011
5:27 pm

35 Bunker Busters to Israel. Could we be in for a “Wag the Dog” moment by a desperate “President”.

Jay

September 28th, 2011
5:28 pm

There’s no such thing as the Federal Finance Bank, Pogo.

There is, however, a Federal Financing Bank. Unfortunately, your overheated dreams about it leading to Obama’s fall will come true right after Michele’s “whitey tape” surfaces.

Generation$crewed

September 28th, 2011
5:29 pm

Enter your comments here

Schrodinger's cat

September 28th, 2011
5:29 pm

Keep – I say that because I’m sure the University is somewhat subsidized by the state…Offer them in-state tuition with path to legal citizenship and a requirement to work for the state for some limited period of time..
The problem I have is that some legal state resident could be refused admittance because an illegal took that spot

Rick in Grayson

September 28th, 2011
5:32 pm

“In Texas in 2001 we had 181 – 181 members of the Legislature — only four voted against this piece
of legislation, because it wasn’t about immigration, it was about education”.
————
Well, I’m glad that we agree about that…when GA pulls over an illegal alien and asks about his immigration status…it’s not about immigration, it’s about PUBLIC SAFETY! This person has not been vetted against criminal databases in his home country…like a legal immigrant would be screened!

Strawman

September 28th, 2011
5:34 pm

“The reality is that we essentially invited these people here, choosing to look the other way year after year, choosing not to enforce our laws because we wanted them to come and do our dirty work.”

I did not, neither probably did you or millions and millions of other Americans. There was no sign at the border saying “Come on in!!!.” The people coming across knew it was wrong. So I guess you are saying that if I come upon your car idling in the parking lot, unlocked, while you are in the convenience store, you are “inviting” me to take it. If none of us did what was right on our own, but only when we were being threatened with the pain of death, what would this country look like then?

I get that governmental leaders and agencies to some extent “greased the rails” for those wanting to come here illegally. But that does not excuse their wrongdoing. If I wound up having sex with a prostitute because (as Carney might say) she “showed some leg” does that mean I was not unfaithful to my wife? Incidentally, probably the biggest beef I had with Bush (outside of the Iraq War) was his seemingly cavalier attitude towards the problem expressed in his offhand dismissal of the Minute Men as “vigilantes” soon after 9/11. Just think if the CDC has such an attitude towards an infectious disease – we’d all be dead. I mean, we didn’t know who was coming across our borders.

And this brings up a final point upon which I’d like to see you, Jay, write a thoughtful column: introducing far more accountability for our leaders so that they face REAL consequences for their actions (and not just a diminished speaking tour after retirement).

Generation$crewed

September 28th, 2011
5:34 pm

Kids of parents who move are punished.

If a child moves into a state as a senior in High school, then that student does not qualify for in-state tuition. Even if they graduated from an in-state high school.

Why is noone crying for them? I mean they are being punished for something their parents did, and what their parents did was/is not illegal.

Does anyone know if the children of these undocumented immigrants have to show proof they have lived in the state for the required time period or can any child of an undocumented immigrant from anywhere ecieve in-state tuition?

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
5:35 pm

I know it may be just me, but I find it quite annoying when someone refers to another human being as an “illegal.”

Rick in Grayson

September 28th, 2011
5:36 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight! September 28th, 2011 5:23 pm

This might work if the child turns in his parents for deportation. Anything else is rewarding the parents for illegal actions. We need to enforce the “rule of law” or we become anarchists. Or do we get to pick and choose which laws and which people they apply to?

GM

September 28th, 2011
5:36 pm

Poor Perry, he should no better not to defend any other group except the so call white conservative christian, my God he should have know better then to sit in a room with all white klansman looking base and the debate, standing up for other people.
How can a uncle Ben look alike, Hermain Cain be a part of this 1955 look of white segregationist tea party group?
Look at the rep debates the only people of color are the ones that clean up after wards, these people are not what America looks like.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

September 28th, 2011
5:37 pm

Cat, the “some legal state resident could be refused because of an illegal” is a false one and again punishing the child for the act of the parent. If the parents work here, live here, pay taxes and the only difference is that they crossed unlawfully 18 years ago, I don’t see that as a distinction with a difference from one that just happened to be born here. Financially both contributed the exact same to the state (actually the “illegal” effectively contributes more because other benefits are not available).

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
5:38 pm

That Strawman is certainly true to his name- :lol:

Schrodinger's cat

September 28th, 2011
5:42 pm

Keep, as long as those that play by the rules don’t get punished in favor of someone who doesn’t …I have no problem..but I think it must be coupled with a path of legal citizenship and maybe a fee/fine for the express lane to citizenship after graduation..
I would also require some documents that provide some proof of being here for decades so any new comer doesn’t get the same benefit..I’d hate to see the system gamed

kayaker 71

September 28th, 2011
5:43 pm

Wonder of these children of illegals are eligible for Affirmative Action? Maybe we ought to sell a few cupcakes at the University of Texas.

Strawman

September 28th, 2011
5:44 pm

“I know it may be just me, but I find it quite annoying when someone refers to another human being as an “illegal.”

Another red herring of political correctness. Now, if I were to go through all of you posts on this blog over the past year, Bosch, I wonder what terms I would find you applying to people – maybe not “illegal” but perhaps “stupid,” “evil,” “greedy,” “hateful,” “nazi-like” and so on. No one would be “annoyed” by you using those terms, right?

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
5:44 pm

Rick

Funny how you can be so passionate about following laws and criticizing those for not enforcing, picking, choosing, but again, I feel that only applies to those situations where you personally see an injustice has occurred.

Now say a private company breaks labor laws, and the government steps in and says , no you can’t do that it is against the law….wingnuts howl at their outrage, regardless of the fact that the company is violating a law with their actions.

JohnnyReb

September 28th, 2011
5:46 pm

“I know it may be just me, but I find it quite annoying when someone refers to another human being as an “illegal.”

No Bosch, its not just you. Many people who favor and insist on PC think the same. However, whether you call them illegals, undocumented, or whatever, the fact is their presence here is illegal.

Generation$crewed

September 28th, 2011
5:46 pm

Most states require proof of residency for the previous year. Is this information required by states such as texas or others that have this type of a in-state tuition policy?

Rick in Grayson

September 28th, 2011
5:47 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight! September 28th, 2011 5:37 pm

So are you saying that although we are a sovereign nation that has immigration laws, they can be ignored with impunity and therefore we must accept that fact that we have open borders?

How can we have a welfare system, when anyone from any country can enter and partake of the welfare benefits offered by the government and paid for by citizens?

Are you also saying that all illegal aliens pay their “fair” share of taxes? Citizenship confers no additional benefits?

Rick in Grayson

September 28th, 2011
5:49 pm

Bosch September 28th, 2011 5:44 pm

I think it is funny how you can make your point up out of thin air! Where have you found that I have stated that position? I think your comment speaks more to your own dishonesty.

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
5:52 pm

Rick in Grayson

You must be a citizen of the US to partake of any kind of “welfare” benefits.

Reb

It was just a simple observation- didn’t mean to ruffle feathers. I simply do not understand the intense animosity towards people whose work benefits all of us.

Strawman

September 28th, 2011
5:53 pm

“I think it is funny how you can make your point up out of thin air! ”

That’s at least better than from the smog of LA.

AmVet - Read my lips. No new Texans!

September 28th, 2011
5:53 pm

The real crime here is that the tents of thousands of employers here in the US, who profited handsomely from knowingly using illegals will never, ever, ever pay the piper.

All they did was screw their fellow Americans while they laughed all the way to the bank.

From Walmart and McDonalds all the way down to Joe’s Construction Co. in Cumming.

And all the soft-on-crime cons wanna do is look the other way, give them yet another free pass all the while screaming for deportation of Jesús and Maria…

kayaker 71

September 28th, 2011
5:54 pm

Boach,

Does that transfer to bank robbers and rapists? These people broke the law too. Are they not illegals? Your idea of political correctness to avoid reality is so far off base that it is beyond reality and good sense. Think that American illegals in Mexico would get in- state tuition to attend a university?…… they would most likely end up in jail for just being there. Maybe we ought to just call them “misunderstood” or perhaps “unfortunate”. Unfortunate usually goes over well with liberals. That always justifies a reason to give away the farm. But no, we can’t call them what they really are….. we wouldn’t want to hurt their feelings, now would we?

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
5:56 pm

Rick

It’s not out of thin air, you are going on about following the rule of law, but we’ve seen here those that demand we do that howl with outrage over other laws, like certain labor laws, being violated to the hypocritical howls of the same people who will yell “what about illegal do you not understand?” while systematically ignoring those who do the same thing.

Strawman

September 28th, 2011
5:56 pm

“I simply do not understand the intense animosity towards people whose work benefits all of us.”

It is, for the most part I would say, imagined. Hence your difficulty in understanding it. I married a Hispanic woman, but that doesn’t mean I think it’s okay to let Hispanic people break the law.

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
5:58 pm

Kayaker

What is it about you where you could compare an undocumented immigrant to a rapist? That is sick.

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
5:59 pm

Strawman

Do you think it is right for corporations to break labor laws?

Strawman

September 28th, 2011
6:01 pm

“The real crime here is that the tents of thousands of employers here in the US, who profited handsomely from knowingly using illegals will never, ever, ever pay the piper.

All they did was screw their fellow Americans while they laughed all the way to the bank.

From Walmart and McDonalds all the way down to Joe’s Construction Co. in Cumming.”

You will get no objection to what you are saying here from me, AV. I bet you would agree with me that there needs to be some real accountability for corporations and the government alike. The problem is, of course, that the people in power – corporate types and government leaders – are the wrongdoers and will never subject themselves to greater accountability outside of a near revolution (which we might yet see).

Rick in Grayson

September 28th, 2011
6:01 pm

Bosch September 28th, 2011 5:52 pm

Have you not read any articles about all the document fraud that is being carried out for the benefit of illegal aliens? Plenty of illegal aliens receive welfare benefits using fraudulent documents.

Obama’s Uncle (caught with fraudulent ID) and Aunt (living in public housing-Section8) are two such illegal aliens that have gamed the system. The government isn’t even dealing with these two notable cases!

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
6:02 pm

Strawman

Imagined? Tell that to kayaker who compares what they do to a rapist and robber.

Strawman

September 28th, 2011
6:02 pm

“Strawman, do you think it is right for corporations to break labor laws?”

Absolutely NOT.

kayaker 71

September 28th, 2011
6:03 pm

Bosch,

We pay dearly for this “work that benefits us all”. It is killing he infrastructure of California, the illegal immigrant capital of the US. With the medical care, subsidized housing, food stamps, cost of schools and teachers and all of the monies sent back to Mexico tax free, not to mention the loss of tax revenue, it is breaking us. Illegals send over 230B/yr back to Mexico, most of it tax free. We pay nearly 80B/yr to support the illegals in our jails. I think that we are getting the short end of the stick…… but we can’t call them what they are…… might be “inappropriate”, or perhaps “non-caring”, a couple of favorite liberal adjectives. Wake up, Bosch.

Bosch

September 28th, 2011
6:04 pm

Rick

You are dodging the issue. Why do you demand we follow the rule of law for some laws and not others.

I never said there is not fraud and waste, but your initial comment implied that any non-citizen can receive welfare and that simply is not true.