Pakistan: America’s friend and America’s enemy
Because we live in a time when the extraordinary has become ordinary, few people even batted at eye last week at remarks by America’s senior military official, Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
In testimony to a Senate committee, Mullen publicly accused Pakistan — an American ally and recipient of $2 billion a year in military aid — of helping to carry out both a deadly, high-profile attack on the U.S. embassy in Kabul and the truck bombing of a NATO base that wounded 77 soldiers.
The Pakistan-based Haqqani network, which carried out the attacks, “acts as a veritable arm of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency,” Mullen told the Senate Armed Services Committee.
“With ISI support, Haqqani operatives planned and conducted that truck bomb attack, as well as the assault on our embassy,” he continued. “We also have credible evidence that they were behind the June 28th attack against the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul and a host of other smaller but effective operations.”
Questions about Pakistan’s reliability as an ally are hardly new; U.S. officials have long been critical of the level of cooperation it provided, particularly after Osama bin Laden was discovered living near a Pakistani army base. However, it’s one thing to question how much active support an ally is providing; it’s something else entirely to accuse that ally of participating in acts of war against you. After all, that is the action of an enemy, not an ally.
Given that Mullen chose to make such a charge publicly, you have to believe that the evidence to support it must be very strong, and that the behavior he condemned is part of a longstanding pattern. Indeed, the New York Times reports today on a 2007 attack on U.S. military personnel by Pakistani forces that killed Maj. Larry J. Bauguess Jr., the father of two young girls. The incident was hushed up at the time because of its political impact.
And yet, even in his testimony to the Senate last week, Mullen defended ongoing attempts to reach out to Pakistan, arguing that “a flawed and difficult relationship is better than no relationship at all. Some may argue I’ve wasted my time, that Pakistan is no closer to us than before, and may now have drifted even further away. I disagree. Military cooperation again is warming.”
Again, only in extraordinary times can a military official accuse an ally of backing attacks on our forces, then turn around and in that same session claim that military cooperation is warming. Yet frustrating as it is, Mullen’s testimony accurately reflects the tortured realities of our effort in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Yes, Pakistan harbors and aids Taliban guerrillas who attack our forces. Yet Pakistan also serves as a critical conduit for supplies needed to keep our forces in Afghanistan fed, armed and fueled. (In the past year, U.S. forces have sharply reduced their reliance on Pakistani supply routes, but it remains significant.) So while we have no reason to trust Pakistan, we do find the relationship useful. And they no doubt feel the same way about us.
The question is what comes next. The public nature of Mullen’s criticism suggests that the United States may be building a case for direct action against Haqqani guerrillas in their Pakistani bases, including perhaps ground action. If Pakistan won’t address the problem on its own soil, the implication is that the United States will.
With the bulk of U.S. and NATO forces scheduled to leave Afghanistan by the end of 2014, you get the idea that reducing the threat posed by the Haqqani network is high on the generals’ to-do list.
– Jay Bookman
Mullen’s testimony
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Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
September 27th, 2011
9:12 am
We need to just let them all blow each other away…
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2011
9:12 am
while we have no reason to trust Pakistan, we do find the relationship useful. And they no doubt feel the same way about us.
that’s way, way too brain-hurty for the simple sloganeering that passes for foreign policy debates, Jay.
FrankLeeDarling
September 27th, 2011
9:13 am
Strange days
Paul
September 27th, 2011
9:14 am
There is a reason outgoing high-level officials (SecDef Gates’s remarks, CJCS Admiral Mullen’s remarks) are used. It brings just a certain level of ‘personal or policy?’ question to the target. And any questioning, which causes uncertainty, when action is planned is a good thing.
Admiral Mullen’s remarks, taken with the Obama Administration’s record of increasing attacks on terrorists, is consistent with the conclusion the US will ‘address’ the problem.
The first part of the article is a good illustration that nothing in international relations or alliances is ever pure. You try to maximize the good and minimize the bad.
It’s rather ironic. Pres Obama is every bit as much, if not more, willing to step up military action than was his predecessor. It’s a characteristic Republicans are loathe to address. Shatters too many stereotypes.
ByteMe
September 27th, 2011
9:14 am
Cut off aid. Make them China’s and India’s problem. None of it is important to us any more, except as a means to keep our war machine going strong.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
9:15 am
I think we screwed up with both Afghanistan and Pakistan back in the 80s when we turned the Soviet war in Afghanistan into their Vietnam, but let the Pakistanis take credit for it. They learned they could screw us over with impunity, and the Afghanis thought when we came in after the fact and took credit for everything that we were full of it. Funneling the weapons through Pakistan was probably a necessity, but we should have figured out a way to let the Afghan people know where they came from. Then MAYBE they wouldn’t be using those same weapons against us now. Just my thoughts on the matter. Oh, and as far as Pakistan goes, we could just cut off their aide, and let India know we won’t stand in the way if they get expansionist ideas.
ByteMe
September 27th, 2011
9:16 am
BTW, I don’t believe that Mullen would have made the comments publicly without Hillary approving it first. Think about that a while.
poison pen
September 27th, 2011
9:16 am
Jay, Just what we need, another war. We should get out of all these countries and bring our troops home.
There leadership is corrupt, they for the most part don’t like the USA and it will take 50 years until they really become a democracy if ever.
I know there are people on here who think that we should be the keeper of the World, but I don’t feel that we should be.
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2011
9:16 am
Probably going to hell for posting this, but…
the threat posed by the Haqqani network
Are they affiliated with the Heckawi?
ty webb
September 27th, 2011
9:18 am
“with ‘friends’ like this…?”
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
9:18 am
ByteMe – Yeah, you know Hillary had to give him the “OK” for him to open his mouth about that. Otherwise, he would probably already be before a Congressional Panel losing his job.
Paul – The fact that Obama, for the most part (seemingly anyway) has had the testicular fortitude to go after and kill terrorists when we find them, is one of the few things about him that I like.
jm
September 27th, 2011
9:19 am
The US and Pakistan appear to be at low level war with one another…..
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
9:19 am
sfd – Thanks for that. I guess I’m too young to remember that, but it was funny.
ByteMe
September 27th, 2011
9:20 am
Otherwise, he would probably already be before a Congressional Panel losing his job.
He’s already retiring. So I think this was a “message” coordinated with State where Mullen wouldn’t be there long enough to be the focal point of a strained relationship and at the same time the next person might have it easier.
poison pen
September 27th, 2011
9:20 am
” It’s rather ironic. Pres Obama is every bit as much, if not more, willing to step up military action than was his predecessor. It’s a characteristic Republicans are loathe to address. Shatters too many stereotypes.”
So it’s ok for a war as long as a democrat gets credit for it…. really?
jm
September 27th, 2011
9:21 am
We bomb their country (or those in it) pretty much every week…..
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
9:21 am
ByteMe – Possible. It makes sense, which makes me skeptical, but it is possible.
jt
September 27th, 2011
9:21 am
Paki-men will not willingly give up their wealth, unlike………….some.
Oh well, GS has its ways for state-sponsored plunder————-
“The Goldman Sachs Foundation-State Department partnership will expand the number of countries reached by 10,000 Women. The public-private partnership will select women entrepreneurs and provide training at the Thunderbird School of Global Management, which is already a 10,000 Women partner in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The State Department currently collaborates with Goldman Sachs 10,000 Women and the Department of State that includes a training program for Pakistani small business women. “
jm
September 27th, 2011
9:23 am
I just hope we have a real plan (and guts) to go after Pakistan’s nukes if the government collapses.
As opposed to the Libyan stingers that are now in terrorist hands.
poison pen
September 27th, 2011
9:24 am
” We need to just let them all blow each other away…”
SoCoBroBrowning, That’s the way to start the day.
kayaker 71
September 27th, 2011
9:24 am
Charlie Wilson’s War might have made a great movie but when we did that and walked away leaving them holding the bag, we sealed out fate in Afghanistan. The corruption in both countries is beyond rational and that 2 Billion is probably used to fund the very thing that we find unacceptable…. attacking our own troops. Time to leave. Another war lost. When are we going to win one?
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
9:25 am
jm – That’s why I think we should just quietly make it known to India that we won’t stand in their way. With as much as the Indians and Pakis hate each other, you KNOW they have some sort of plan. Plus, they already have nukes, so I don’t think we would have to worry too much about them having more.
Paul
September 27th, 2011
9:26 am
sfd 9:16
We need a good game of Trivial Pursuit!
poison pen
September 27th, 2011
9:26 am
Kayaker 71, Amen, as long as they remain political wars, never.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
9:27 am
k71 – That’s what I was basically saying in my first post. I blame the State Department for letting Pakistan get away with what they did during that. Something tells me the Mujaheddin wouldn’t have turned down the weapons had they known they were coming from us. And they would have probably been grateful for them to the extent that they may have liked us after they kicked the Soviets out.
Call it like it is
September 27th, 2011
9:29 am
Lets see hows that go, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, unless the friend of the enemy is more of an enemy then my friend first thought, or they might just be all enemys or they all are friends. It goes something like that not sure.
jm
September 27th, 2011
9:29 am
(ir)Rational – ignoring the obvious sovereignty violations, I think the international community would find it far more acceptable for us to go get the nukes than India.
India going and getting the nukes would seriously inflame Pakistani tensions. Even more than us doing so would….
Imran Afandi
September 27th, 2011
9:30 am
American people have always been a jackass when it comes to history. Technological superiority does create a certain arrogance.
1811/0311
September 27th, 2011
9:31 am
Kind of like …………..
“Obama: America’s friend and America’s enemy”
P.S.
If this was a Republican Administration, Jay would be going beserk over this about wasted money, wasted American lives, etc., etc., etc.
I know it, you know it, we all know it ………….. Jay just won’t admit it.
Adam
September 27th, 2011
9:32 am
poison pen: So it’s ok for a war as long as a democrat gets credit for it…. really?
If it gets more and more Republicans to be anti-war when they weren’t before, then yes. Personally I think it’s just a ruse. If they get a Republican President there will be war again, and nary a peep of condemnation will come from the right.
jm
September 27th, 2011
9:33 am
Sorry Jay. I told you so.
SIREN: CHILLING STORY TO DRIVE DEBATE FOR ’12 AND SUPERCOMMITTEE – “Coke chief criticises US tax rules” in Financial Times video interview at Clinton Global Initiative: “Coca-Cola now sees the US becoming a less friendly business environment than China, … citing political gridlock and an antiquated tax structure. … Muhtar Kent, Coke’s chief executive, said ‘in many respects’ it was easier doing business in China, which he likened to a well-managed company. ‘You have a one-stop shop in terms of the Chinese foreign investment agency and local governments are fighting for investment with each other … They’re learning very fast, these countries … In the west, we’re forgetting what really worked 20 years ago. In China and other markets around the world, you see the kind of attention to detail about how business works and how business creates employment.’ …
“Kent argued that US states did not compete enough with each other to attract businesses while Chinese provinces were clamouring to draw investment from international companies. … Kent’s remarks came a month after Coke said it was ramping up its investment in China … Kent said that US tax burdens and political polarisation were creating uncertainty for businesses and hurting investment. ‘I believe the US owes itself to create a 21st century tax policy for individuals as well as businesses … If you talk about an American company doing business in the world today with its Chinese, Russian, European or Japanese counterparts, of course we’re disadvantaged … A Chinese or Swiss company can do whatever it wants with those funds [earned overseas]. When we want to bring them back, we are faced with a very large tax burden. … When a country is in trouble, you can’t have a polarised political process … There’s too much comfort. We need more needles to stick in politicians.’”
http://www.politico.com/playbook/0911/playbook1555.html
Aurelius
September 27th, 2011
9:33 am
Tough times. There is little black and white anymore, way to much gray.
And all the gray makes debate on an issue difficult. Those leading currently the debate are candidates. And candidates like short “bumper sticker” answers. But there are no bumpers sticker answers on Pakistan.
Pakistn is a nuclear power. Their most hated rival is India, also a nuclear power. The differences are beyond political and enter the religious arena where rational thought seems to take a backseat to “divine mandates”.
We need to think long and hard about military answers in Pakistan. The ISI is currently in the minority.
To strong a military push could delivere the ISI support from the majority. We are already skating on thin ice with our unmanned attacks on Pakistani targets.
Obama, or whoever has the job in Jan 2013, needs to think long and hard on military solutions in Pakistan.
Someone please remind the candidates of the Powell Doctrine. We do not need anymore Iraqs or Afghanistans.
1811/0311
September 27th, 2011
9:33 am
This Pakistani thing is just a larger “Fast and Furious”.
Imran Afandi
September 27th, 2011
9:34 am
Gee who would have thought after 9/11 the real enemy would turn out to be .. not Afghanistan, not Iraq .. no not Iran either .. whoa Pakistan! a country who has a little good experience in bringing down a super power .. well couple of decades ago. God bless Reagan and the Mujahideen.
Adam
September 27th, 2011
9:35 am
BTW, didn’t take long for this to be all about Obama, AGAIN
St Simons - we're on Island time
September 27th, 2011
9:36 am
well that explains a lot.
I called customer service and got a call center in Pakistan. I told them I was upset, and they asked “just how upset are you? Do you have backpack? Can you drive truck?”
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
9:36 am
jm – You’re probably correct about that, but that is (to my mind) like expecting us to go to Tehran and and taking their nuclear arsenal (assuming they have one). It would be in our best interests, but are we really going to do it? Probably not. Israel however would. Same thing with India and Pakistan. To my mind anyway.
thewindwhistler
September 27th, 2011
9:37 am
It is absolutely amazing. The U.S. gives Pakistan $2 billion a year in aid and at the time, Pakistan is declared by the Chairman of the joint chiefs of staff that they are our enemy and carrying out attacks against our embassy. That is plain talk, we have to be the laughing stock of the middle east.
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
9:38 am
This is most discouraging.
In less than three years, countless Bush acolytes seem to have given up on the War on Terror.
Are they surrender monkeys?
Cut and runners?
Do they not understand that for the US to survive, we need a permanent war economy?
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
9:38 am
St Simons – love that joke.
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2011
9:39 am
Jay would be going beserk
Scout, kindly provide one (1) example of Jay ever actually “going be[r]serk.” Thanks.
JohnnyReb
September 27th, 2011
9:39 am
We can’t let them blow each other away. Pakistan has nukes. If you think that is not a direct threat to US soil, you need to take a very cold shower. Obama has done one positive thing since being POTUS, taking the leash off the military to go into Pakistan. The stakes are extremely high that he must continue that and use what ever force and diplomacy necessary to bring the situation under control. If Pakistan collapses similar to the arab spring, start digging your fallout shelter.
jm
September 27th, 2011
9:39 am
Romney 2012.
1811/0311
September 27th, 2011
9:40 am
And what is the common thread, the elephant in the room that causes the Haqqani and those in the Pakistani government to allow this duplicity ??
Radical Islam
soha
September 27th, 2011
9:41 am
You need another war to keep your gigantic war machinery running and continue to endeavor large chunk of American tax funds. Rest of everything is an effort to architect, engineer, build and making a case for it. Just listen Webster Tarplay in this regard. you calculate everything very seriously but Pakistan is neither Veitnam, nor Afghanistan or Iraq any miscalculation even in slightest fraction could change everything. So let us wait what comes out of the bolt in sky. A Pakistani
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
9:41 am
IMO, India is wisely standing back and letting us figure out what’s going on by ourselves. They’ve long tried to tell us not to trust Pakistan, and by not being dicks about it, they position themselves as a regional & moderate player; a counterbalance to China.
If and when things come to formal blows with Pakistan, I think we will find India to be a ready and willing ally.
jt
September 27th, 2011
9:41 am
Actually the first three Goldman Sachs executives who tried to re-penetrate the Pakistan/Aghgan market were “wildly successful”……………in a way.
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Their dried body parts are still being used in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and the Balochistan provences as a kind of macabre currency.
.
Mighty Righty
September 27th, 2011
9:41 am
We should have never gone to war in Afghanistan. It is stupid to continue. We should not give a penny to Pakistan who is in fact our enemy. The Bush Administration was wrong to begin with and the Obama Administration is equally stupid. Get out and get out now. No other option makes any sense.
1811/0311
September 27th, 2011
9:43 am
decibles:
Beserk is “Southern” for berserk ………………….
1811/0311
September 27th, 2011
9:44 am
More 7-11’s over there might help ?
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
9:44 am
Joe – Yep.
jm
September 27th, 2011
9:45 am
Nominate Romney, Fire Obama, 2012. We can have a new President that knows how to get America working, assuming a nutjob isn’t the nominee.
Doggone/GA
September 27th, 2011
9:47 am
“Nominate Romney”
“assuming a nutjob isn’t the nominee”
Contradict much?
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
9:47 am
JohnnyReb — “Pakistan has nukes. If you think that is not a direct threat to US soil, you need to take a very cold shower.”
Pakistan’s nukes pose no threat to US territory. Their missiles are of limited range and to the best of my knowledge, they have no subs (so no sneaking up close to shore and firing one) and no bomber capability that could reach the US.
There’s always the possibility of a Pakistani-facilitated terror strike (like putting a thermonuclear or atomic device on a cargo ship and sending it to a US port), but as far as military capabilities go, I think the Pakistanis have zero capability to threaten US territory with atomic weapons.
jm
September 27th, 2011
9:48 am
Obama is going to lose CO
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64489.html
Adam
September 27th, 2011
9:49 am
jm: Please, knock it off for at least a couple of pages.
JohnnyReb
September 27th, 2011
9:50 am
Joe Mama – the threat is radical islam getting their hands on a nuke. It may sound like a far-fetched movie plot, but it could turn deadly real.
jm
September 27th, 2011
9:50 am
Adam, don’t worry I have to get back to work shortly. You run this blog?
Dirty Dawg
September 27th, 2011
9:53 am
Let me see if I’ve got this straight…the Pakistan version of the CIA is working secretly and perhaps without the knowledge of the ‘official’ government, with a radical group to do all sorts of mayhem toward us. Where have I heard this before? Mmmmmm….oh yes, the ex-head(s) of the CIA here – one named Bush and another named Casey – worked with that bunch in charge of Iran (at the height of our disagreements with them, and when doing business with them was a Federal crime), to see to it that the incumbent President, James Earl Carter, wasn’t able to get anything done about the Embassy hostages in time to stand a chance to be re-elected. And furthermore, they, the two ‘exes’, worked closely with, then current operatives – who didn’t care for Jimma’s policies regarding their, shall we say, more heinous acts. You may say that back then those working to undermine our ‘elected’ government weren’t, exactly, blowing people up – at least not with truck bombs – but more effective military hardware that they ultimately used in their war with Iraq – which we also instigated, by the way. You can also say that they, with that initiative, set in motion a process that has, arguably, virtually blown up this country, perhaps forever.
So lets’ not be so harsh toward the Pakistani ISI, we not only probably inspired them, we showed ‘em how to do it. OK, now you can blast me as being a ‘Blame America Firster’,,,but recall the phrase – ‘Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.’…it’s Biblical, look it up.
Jay
September 27th, 2011
9:53 am
jm, “going in to get the nukes” is an impossibility. You’ve watched way too many war movies.
Adam
September 27th, 2011
9:53 am
A request, jm. You’re just posting multiple posts that say the same off topic thing. I really don’t know what you are trying to accomplish by doing that.
carlosgvv
September 27th, 2011
9:53 am
Just out of curiosity, I wonder how many “allies” like this Russia, China, Britan, France and Canada have? If the answer is none, then what does that say about us? And AmVet, being on a war economy does NOT mean we have to give billions to people who hate us.
Doggone/GA
September 27th, 2011
9:54 am
“You run this blog?”
A request is not an order
Normal
September 27th, 2011
9:55 am
Paul,
below about Dit & Git…
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
9:56 am
Are the Republicans now the new French?
Bunch of silly appeasers and peaceniks.
The next thing you know they’ll be demanding cuts in the already undersized and struggling DoD budget…
jt
September 27th, 2011
9:57 am
Al-Quida, Hammass, Haqqani …………don’t think for a minute that it can’t happen here.
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Back when I was coming up, we had the Who-dlum.
I never saw one but people would call you that,if up to no good.
.
I don’t know what happened to those guys.
Osama Bil Laden
September 27th, 2011
9:57 am
When one is faced with liars, cheaters and thugs, like Pakistan is facing, there is no harm in dealing ‘doubly’.
BADA BING
September 27th, 2011
9:58 am
Boycott Slurpies !!
Nanda Parlre
September 27th, 2011
9:59 am
Statehood never happened in Pakistan….
How do we Statehood with the Messih?
Ig-ni-coriya? Or what is it?
Some people can eat-off but never leave semitism.
DBCOOPER
September 27th, 2011
9:59 am
Two billion in military aid?! Thats funny.
We are paying them off just like our enemies are paying them off. The so-called government of Pakistan is receiving “pay-offs” from many different sides for many different reasons.
A country like Afghanistan that is tribal and corrupt to its very soul. Can never be changed. The 2 billion of American Taxpayer money goes in the pockets of corrupt officals that hand it out as they see fit. Why do you think our Un-manned vehicles get air space? We pay for it and call it military aid. What about filtered intelligence? We pay for it.
The question should be? Is it worth it?
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
10:00 am
Jay: Questions about Pakistan’s reliability as an ally are hardly new; U.S. officials have long been critical of the level of cooperation it provided, particularly after Osama bin Laden was discovered living near a Pakistani army base.
Pakistan is like that good friend that everyone has. She’ll come over and help with your kids when you’re sick — cook, clean, take care of you — and then sleep with your husband as a form of repayment for her services.
Normal
September 27th, 2011
10:00 am
Nanda,
Say What???
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
10:01 am
JohnnyReb — “Joe Mama – the threat is radical islam getting their hands on a nuke. It may sound like a far-fetched movie plot, but it could turn deadly real.”
Frankly, I think we have more to fear from a dirty bomb or chemical/biological attack. Building an atomic device (forget about a nuke; those use A-bombs as triggers and are an order of magnitude more complicated than A-bombs) takes a LOT of specialized knowledge and equipment, and it’s really easy to eff them up if you don’t know what you’re doing (like North Korea’s fizzled test a couple of years ago). Plus, they want their attack to *succeed.* A complicated thing like sneaking A-bomb components into the US, assembling the device (which is HARD), transporting it and then setting it off at a key target would be REALLY difficult, and they don’t want to get busted ahead of time. I think their history shows that they’ll look for the gaps in our armor and the oversights in our attention, and then home in on that with whatever attack method they can manage. An A-bomb attack has never sounded practical to me.
An atomic attack would be the golden egg for Islamic terrorists; I agree with that. But it would be so complicated and difficult that I think they’d conclude that *other* types of attacks would give them more impact for less cost and effort.
Mick
September 27th, 2011
10:01 am
You know we have done quite a lot of damage ourselves with those drone strikes, doesn’t that count? Very complex country with nukes, it’s the only possible reason that we are still lingering around in afghanistan. Still, we need to get out and far away from that part of the world. Let china have at it if they want to be a super power…
Guy Incognito
September 27th, 2011
10:03 am
Normal
September 27th, 2011
10:00 am
Nanda,
Say What???
Ditto??!!??
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
10:03 am
carlos, haven’t you heard?
They hate us for our freedoms!
At least in Republispeak.
This not having botched invasions and occupations is a very dangerous road to start going down. Fortunately George’s nephew surged into Afghanistan. And the right wing surrender monkeys never even saluted him for getting more GI’s KIA’d needlessly.
(When do we invade Iran?)
Aquagirl
September 27th, 2011
10:03 am
You’re just posting multiple posts that say the same off topic thing. I really don’t know what you are trying to accomplish by doing that.
Hijacking the blog so he can b!tch about Obama. All these shades of grey are making his head hurt. Obama, on the other hand, is the root of all evil—problems in Pakistan, bad economy, drought, lack of oil production, hippies, and that patch of eczema on his elbow.
Thomas
September 27th, 2011
10:06 am
cook, clean, take care of you — and then sleep with your husband as a form of repayment for her services.
Debbie- names and numbers please.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
10:06 am
Debbie – That doesn’t sound like a very good friend. She probably went to AU.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
10:07 am
Aquagirl – Obama is responsible for hippies? I didn’t like him before, but now, now he must go.
Adam
September 27th, 2011
10:07 am
Aquagirl: I have a Facebook “friend” who posted that the freeway being shut down and making her miss her friend’s wedding was another thing to add to the list of reasons to not like Obama.
Where do people get these notions? He is NOT a Messiah!
Yawar Bokharee
September 27th, 2011
10:09 am
Friends with Benefits !!
I guess America now unable to get the benefits from Pakistan ! Every one know 2 billion each year, please have an over view of causalities each year both in civilians and in military lines took place of Pakistan. Over 3200 are dead in this war…..still if the America dont trust Pakistan after this much commitment then i guess they have to redefine “Friends” in their books.
Pragmatic Matti
September 27th, 2011
10:10 am
Agree with Mighty Righty today (@9:41). Let’s get our troops the heck out of Afghanistan. Now. It’s long past time to break up with Karzai on a post-it note: “It’s been real, but it’s over. DON’T MAKE US COME BACK HERE.” Seal Team Six gave us the reason we’ve been waiting for. WTF else are we waiting for? Everybody over there to decide to be nice? Never gonna happen. I want our military HERE, on our homeland, where they belong.
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
10:13 am
You know things are upside down when the cons have all gone touchy feely on us, regarding the Holy War on Terror!
Thank gawd, we have courageous statesmen like Herman Cain to keep the Sharia-law loving Muslims out of our inner sanctum.
And even more fortunately we have an Uppity Muslim who finally saw the pro-American light and killed Public Enemy Number One, who was living across the street from the local police station, just up the way from Pakistani military academy and only 40 miles from Rawalpindi, military headquarters in Pakistan..
(Oh, and did I mention that OBL’s compound was eight times the size of anything near it?)
Aquagirl
September 27th, 2011
10:15 am
Obama is responsible for hippies?
That info is straight from Pakistani intelligence.
Oh, and now Obama is responsible for traffic jams, according to Adam’s “friend.” LOL. What’s next?
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
10:15 am
As far as the wars are concerned, I’m all for ending them. However do we really think it is the best idea to just pull out leaving a power vacuum where our military was to be filled by whomever? Isn’t that basically got us into this mess in the first place? The Soviets were kicked out, with our help, leaving a power vacuum. The people that ended up in power, knew nothing of our help, hated us, and gave us the Afghanistan we’ve all come to know and hate for the last 20 years. Let’s pretend we know what we’re doing, and pull out gradually, leaving the government (hopefully) strong enough to control the country (hopefully again) leaving them as an ally, and not recreating an old enemy.
harvey
September 27th, 2011
10:16 am
A “friend” only has to screw me over once to cease being a friend. I figure our government is really stupid.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
10:16 am
Aquagirl – If that came from the ISI, then you KNOW it has to be true. Not sure the other info is reliable though, I’ll do some polls and get back with you.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
10:18 am
harvey – You’re just now coming to this conclusion? You been hiding under rocks or living in caves?
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
10:18 am
(ir)Rational — “Obama is responsible for hippies?”
Only the patchouli-smelling ones. The dirty ones are still the fault of Johnson and Nixon.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
10:21 am
Oh, well, generally I’m only opposed to dirty hippies, so I guess I’ll strike that off my list.
Pakistani Student
September 27th, 2011
10:23 am
iam pakistani and will be pleased if america and allies attack Pakistan….Actually we are tired of fighting each other we want usa forces to come here and hence we will get chance to kill them instead we have to go to Afghanistan.We will teach them how to fight.Pakistan is not an easy country that can be digested easily…Pakistan is not iraq or afghanistan…1 thing i want to say that suicide bombing rates is much higher than iraq and afghanistan in pakistan without invasion so consider if america invade pakistan than what would happen…Pakistani People are ready to die to defend the country.Yes we supported taliban by money,arms and by training and we are admitting it what can you do now?hahah you are coward your forces are not capable of taking Pakistan.I would like to say we can take kashmir in just 3 days from india…let the time come
DBCOOPER
September 27th, 2011
10:23 am
The worst part is the groups that have recieved favortism for at least 35 years now have yet to capatalize from it.
faz
September 27th, 2011
10:24 am
i think american must abort all sort of relations with pakistan, then pakistan will learn what thy have remaining…..
1811/0311
September 27th, 2011
10:25 am
You know ………….. the world didn’t look this bad in the late 1930’s.
Why? Even Germany or Japan didn’t have nukes.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
10:25 am
What’s with the sudden influx of stupid trolls this morning?
poison pen
September 27th, 2011
10:27 am
Adam
” A request, jm. You’re just posting multiple posts that say the same off topic thing. I really don’t know what you are trying to accomplish by doing that.”
Adam, He will accomplish the same thing as Getalife.
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
10:28 am
“We’re fighting them there, so we don’t have to fight them here.”
Brought to you by the lying and deadly idiots who said Iraq was involved in 9/11…
poison pen
September 27th, 2011
10:30 am
Aquagirl, According to the AJC this morning the traffic on our roads is getting better.
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
10:31 am
“You know ………….. the world didn’t look this bad in the late 1930’s.”
Amazing.
The legacy of willful blindness and Churchillian appeasement…
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
10:31 am
poison pen – Yeah, aren’t recessions great?
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
10:32 am
Make that Chamberlainian appeasement…
poison pen
September 27th, 2011
10:33 am
I have a great ides for our politicans, lets give Billions of dollars to our enemies so they can build or buy weapons to kill our young troops, because they sure as hell don’t do anything with the money that is good for their country.
Paulo977
September 27th, 2011
10:34 am
Am Vet
“Do they not understand that for the US to survive, we need a permanent war economy?”
The deadly truth!
Is there another way? When will we ever learn?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y2SIIeqy34
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
10:37 am
P. Student — “I would like to say we can take kashmir in just 3 days from india…”
Then go enlist and show your country’s military how it’s done, tough guy.
If y’all were all that, you wouldn’t still be fighting over that region 65 YEARS AFTER YOU STARTED FIGHTING OVER IT.
RAMBLE ON!!!
September 27th, 2011
10:37 am
LOL, Jay is using the NYT as a resource again.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
10:38 am
Now now Joe, dumb trolls should be ignored (as much as possible). Otherwise they’ll never leave.
1811/0311
September 27th, 2011
10:38 am
AmVet:
“Make that Chamberlainian appeasement…”
You had me worried there for a minute …………………..
How true.
If you don’t keep them from getting nukes …………… it’s too late.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
10:39 am
RAMBLE ON!!! – So?
THWG!
Mick
September 27th, 2011
10:39 am
The only thing we know for sure is that our sun has about another 4-6 billion years of candle power. The planet will survive quite nicely. Man? We will just have to see how the next 100 years plays out. Fortunately, I will only be here a fraction of that time to help us find the right direction…
buttjee
September 27th, 2011
10:41 am
Allegations against Pakistan are blatant lies and are aimed at (1) Pressurize Pakistan to clean the mess created by US due to their failed policy which is against the ground realities of this region. (2) Use Pakistan as scapegoat for facing the criticism from the people of America. For being an ally of US, Pakistan had to pay a very heavy price in men and material. Pakistan’s economy has suffered a loss of over $ 70 billion. Over 5000 soldiers and more than 35000 Pakistani civilians have been killed in this war. Do you think the people of Pakistan have paid such a heavy price just to get US aid. As part of the propaganda campaign and to mislead the international community, the media in US has been publishing exaggerated figures of US aid to Pakistan. A major chunk of so called aid is the partial payment of expenditure on employment of Pakistani troops against the Taliban as demanded by US with their Do More Mantra. Another big chunk of this amount was the pay and allowances of the so called US Army Trainers which had been forced upon Pakistan. Large amounts out of the said aid are paid to the US Accountants and Auditors who are employed by the US authorities. Recently the figures released by Pakistan’s Finance Ministry indicate that only a small portion of the aid amount usually quoted in US press was received by Pakistan. On the other hand US had been getting all out support from Pakistan till the authorities in Pakistan realized that in spite of being the Key frontline ally the US is promoting the cause of enemies of Pakistan and is just not bothered about Pakistan’s genuine regional security concerns. The US should realize that such an approach towards Pakistan will always back fire because the people of Pakistan have enormous sacrifices and they would not like to sit on the fence when the US is heading for the END GAME. It will be better if instead of indulging in open blame game US should engage Pakistan in a constructive dialogue to work out a strategy which be acceptable and beneficial to both the sides.
Aquagirl
September 27th, 2011
10:46 am
poison pen – Yeah, aren’t recessions great?
Ah, Obama = recession = less traffic. I knew y’all could look on the bright side. And we thought Mary Elizabeth’s good vibes wouldn’t affect y’all……
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
10:47 am
Paulo, great song!
I’ll stand with Pete Seeger while some stand with Joseph McCarthy.
A modern day song of the same sort by a true American treasure…
You know that everybody has a voice
And how they use it is their own free choice
In your glory I will not rejoice
If you choose the ways of war
If you choose the ways of war
Ashes to ashes and dust to dust
My country ’tis of thee; in God we trust
But how much longer will He shelter us
While we choose the ways of war
While the winds of war rage on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMUF0P0IxDw
Right Said
September 27th, 2011
10:47 am
Well, first of all Afghanistan is not the 51st state of the U.S; it’s a sovereign country under U.S. OCCUPATION! Afghans have every right to resist.
As far as all this Pakistan thing is concerned; it was just Mullen’s parting shot, since it was under his watch that Afghanistan slipped away.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
10:50 am
Aquagirl – Seems you’re hitting the pipe a little early today. I thought y’all were hardcore that this was Bush’s recession, not Obama’s. So, using your logic, doesn’t it stand to reason that Bush is causing lighter traffic?
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
10:53 am
Pakistani Wall of Text crit for 9000!
Steve - USA
September 27th, 2011
10:59 am
Not really an expert on Pakistan so I fold.
Jimmy62
September 27th, 2011
11:02 am
Pakistan is not our friend. Doesn’t mean we can’t use them, but they are only friendly to us so far as it supports their own goals.
Aquagirl
September 27th, 2011
11:04 am
I thought y’all were hardcore that this was Bush’s recession, not Obama’s.
I’ll write thank-you notes to both of them, just in case.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
11:05 am
Aquagirl – Good plan.
AmVet
September 27th, 2011
11:06 am
Two billion dollars every single year to the OBL hiders.
Makes you wonder what we could do with that money here in the USA, doesn’t it?
Your neighbors and communities thank you, neo-cons…
Mick
September 27th, 2011
11:12 am
I see this topic has slowed down to a crawl; here is some comic relief:
http://www.credoaction.com/comics/2011/09/our-story-so-far/
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
11:25 am
Thomas @ 10:00: Debbie- names and numbers please
(ir)Rational @10:06: Debbie – That doesn’t sound like a very good friend. She probably went to AU.
Booo!! Booo!!! As a matter of act she went to “Bama” — it was the only school she could get in to with her low grades and morals.
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
11:28 am
D. DoRight — “she went to “Bama” — it was the only school she could get in to”
Bama has a school? I was only aware of them being some sort of athletic team.
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
11:30 am
“Do they not understand that for the US to survive, we need a permanent war economy?”
Jay did an article a couple of months back, (during the conflict on whether to enter Libya or not),about how other countries start stuff then wait for the US to join into the fray and finish it for them. He made a great analysis of how the US spends so much more than other countries on defense and the spin to get us involved in various conflicts around the globe, (e.g.: Fighting for others’ freedoms, etc.)
Jameela
September 27th, 2011
11:30 am
Kill the Pig Poachers of Palestine
(Al-Jihad {holy fighting} in Allah’s Cause (with full force of numbers and weaponry) is given the utmost importance in Islam and is one of the pillars (on which it stands). By Jihad Islam is established, Allah’s Word is made superior, (His Word being La ilaha illallah which means none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and His Religion (Islam) is propagated. By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfill this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite.)
(The Jews say: “Allah’s Hand is tied up [i.e. He does not give and spend of His Bounty].” Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for what they uttered. Nay, both His Hands are widely outstretched. He spends [of His Bounty] as He wills. Verily, the Revelation that has come to you from your Lord (Allah) increases in most of them their obstinate rebellion and disbelief. We have put enmity and hatred amongst them till the Day of Resurrection. Every time they kindled the fire of war, Allah extinguished it; and they ever strive to make mischief on the earth. And Allah does not like the Mufsidun [mischief-makers].)
(And you see many of them [Jews] hurrying towards sin and transgression, and eating illegal things [as bribes and Riba (usury). Evil indeed is that which they have been doing.)
(And they have invented a kinship between Him and the jinn, but the jinn know well that they have indeed to appear [before Him] [i.e. they will be called to account].)
(He [Isa-Jesus] was not more than a slave. We granted Our Favour to him, and We made him an example for the Children of Israel [i.e. his creation without a father].)
(And (remember) when We sent towards you (Muhammad [PBUH]) a group of (three to ten persons) of the jinn, (quietly) listening to the Qur’an. When they stood in the presence thereof, they said: “Listen in silence!” And when it was finished, they returned to their people, as warners.)
(They said: “O our people! Verily, we have heard a Book (this Qur’an) sent down after Musa (Moses), confirming what came before it: it guides to the truth and to a Straight Path (i.e. Islam).)
(And when the slave of Allah (Muhammad {pbuh} stood up invoking Him (his Lord—Allah) in prayer they (the jinn) just made round him a dense crowd as if sticking one over the other (in order to listen to the Prophet’s recitation).
(And indeed Musa [Moses] came to you with clear proofs, yet you worshipped the calf after he left, and you were Zalimun [polytheists and wrong-doers.]
(Verily, We took the covenant of the Children of Israel and sent Messengers to them. Whenever there came to them a Messenger with what they themselves desired not, a group of them they called liars and others among them they killed.)
(And they set up rivals to Allah, to mislead men from His Path! Say: “Enjoy your brief life! But certainly, your destination is the [Hell] Fire!”)
(Is it not [the case] that every time they make a covenant, some party among them throw it aside? Nay [the truth is:] most of them believe not.)
(They fight not against you even together, except in fortified townships, or from behind walls. Their enmity among themselves is very great. You would think they were united, but their hearts are divided. That is because they are a people who understand not.)
(Say [O Muhammad to the people of the Scripture): “Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allah? Those [Jews] who incurred the Curse of Allah and His Wrath, and those of whom [some] He transformed into monkeys and swines, and those who worshipped Taghut [false deities]; such are worse in rank [on the Day of Resurrection in the Hell-fire], and far more astray from the Right Path [in the life of this world]”.)
(They are like their immediate predecessors [the Jews of Banu Qainuqa, who suffered); they tasted the evil result of their conduct, and [in the Hereafter, there is] for them a painful torment.)
(And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-Al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.)
(“But whosoever turns away from My Reminder (i.e. neither believes in this Qur’an nor acts on its teachings.) verily, for him is a life of hardship, and We shall raise him up blind on the Day of Resurrection.”)
([This is the] Revelation sent down from the Lord of the Alamin [mankind, jinn and all that exists].)
([He is Allah] Owner of High Ranks and Degrees, the Owner of the Throne. He sends the revelation by His Command to any of His slaves He wills, that he (the person who receives revelation) may warn (men) of the Day of Mutual Meeting [i.e. the Day of Resurrection].
(And to warn those [Jews, Christians, and pagans] who say, “Allah has begotten a son [or offspring or children].”)
(No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. Mighty is the word that comes out of their mouths [i.e. He begot sons and daughters]. They utter nothing but a lie.)
(Your Ilah [God] is One Ilah [God-Allah, none has the right to be worshipped but He])
(“And indeed, We created man from dried [sounding] clay of altered mud. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.”).
(And I have created the jinn and men only to worship Me).
(And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”)
Verses of the Qur’an Compiled by:
Jameela
Messenger of Allah
& Defender of Islam
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
11:31 am
JoeMama i really, really, REALLY like you!! You go boy!
Go Florida!!! Roll Over Tide!!!
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
11:33 am
Debbie – As long as AU (and everyone else in the SEC) beats U(sic)GA, I’m fine with it.
Mick
September 27th, 2011
11:34 am
jameela
I’d rather be an atheist than be led around by that dogma…
Trotsky Foxtrot
September 27th, 2011
11:35 am
Keep your friends close, your enemies closer. Look on the bright side, with Pakistan we kill two birds with one stone!
godless heathen
September 27th, 2011
11:37 am
Jameela,
Go get a ham sandwich.
Schrodinger's cat
September 27th, 2011
11:38 am
wordy trolls today huh?
1811/0311
September 27th, 2011
11:46 am
What does Pakistan have to do with a transportation tax for Atlanta ??
Strawman
September 27th, 2011
11:48 am
Strawman
September 27th, 2011
11:46 am
Who was it yesterday that said Christie was out of favor with the people who elected him? This from Fox News:
“A new poll shows Gov. Chris Christie’s approval rating in the state has bounced back after taking a dip this spring during the state budget battles. The Fairleigh Dickinson-PublicMind poll released Tuesday shows 54 percent approve of the way Christie is handling his job; 36 percent disapprove. That’s up from up from May when 44 percent both approved and disapproved of Christie’s handling of his job. The polling came on the heels of praise for Christie for his handling of the response to Hurricane Irene in August.”
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
11:48 am
Trolly McTrollersons have invaded Jay’s blog.
getalife
September 27th, 2011
11:48 am
The gop can’t even stand up to the radicals in their party.
Too weak on national security.
Four more years.
Paulo977
September 27th, 2011
11:50 am
AmVet
“modern day song of the same sort by a true American treasure…”
Indeed indeed and a favorite of mine!
We keep on and on living this lie..
“My friend,you would not tell with suc high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory
The old Lie:Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori”
– Wilfred Owen
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
11:51 am
wordy trolls today huh?
Who don’t even know what they’re posting. I’ve seen that dogma, (that Jameela posted), before — on a pamphlet passed to me by a Nation of Islam member or succinctly a follower of Farrakhan’s.
The NOI have a very distorted view of Islam AND their own contrived religion. They remind me of “Mormon Lites”.
crabby
September 27th, 2011
11:51 am
This Pakistan business has Mitt Romney in a twitter. During one of the Florida debates he criticized the current administration for not having a good relationship with Pakistan? You think! Maybe the fact that they were harboring OBL might have something to do with that? Gov. Romney may want to maintain date night with Pakistan but I’ll take President Obama’s approach.
Strawman
September 27th, 2011
11:51 am
So the constitutionality of the health care bill will be decided before the 2012 election it seems:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/64475.html
JohnnyReb
September 27th, 2011
11:52 am
getalife – just exactly who are the radicals in the GOP? Let me guess; it has to be those old mean Tea Party people, right?
Jefferson
September 27th, 2011
11:53 am
They (pakis) make a lot of cheap knives.
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
11:55 am
I can’t wait to see Jameela and Scout go toe-to-toe.
1811/0311
September 27th, 2011
11:55 am
From FOX:
“THINK OF AMERICA’S DEBT AS YOUR FAMILY BUDGET”
Annual family income: $21,737
Annual family expenses: $38,188
Annual Credit Card debt $16,451
Planned Cuts & Savings: $ 385
Total Remaining Credit Card Debt $142,000
1811/0311
September 27th, 2011
11:56 am
Joe Mama:
Who is “Jameela” ?
Catch you later ………….. have to run.
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
11:56 am
(ir)Rational: Debbie – As long as AU (and everyone else in the SEC) beats U(sic)GA, I’m fine with it
HA!! A good friend of mine is a UGA grad. She’s so mad at Richt that if the dawgs loose another game, I’m afraid she’ll go over the bend. If you hear about a crazed, 5′1″ small blonde woman, (in Donna Karan), pulling up those hedges, slapping Ugla, tearing down goal posts and looking for Richt with a big ole baseball bat in her tiny hands; tell Richt to get out of town fast. She may be little, but she’s MEAN.
getalife
September 27th, 2011
11:57 am
Duh reb.
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
12:00 pm
So the constitutionality of the health care bill will be decided before the 2012 election it seems
I saw that (Kyle just did a blog on it); should be interesting to read the argument that they’re going to put before the Supremes huh?
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
12:00 pm
Scout — scroll up, pal. (laughing)
Lord Help Us
September 27th, 2011
12:00 pm
JR,
‘getalife – just exactly who are the radicals in the GOP? Let me guess; it has to be those old mean Tea Party people, right?’
Johnny, I think Jon Stewart had you (and a few others in mind) with this piece:
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/jon-stewart-to-gop-voters-take-a-long-hard-look-in-the-mirror-video.php?ref=fpb
The problem ain’t the mirror…too funny…
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
12:01 pm
D. DoRight — ” If you hear about a crazed, 5′1″ small blonde woman, (in Donna Karan), pulling up those hedges, slapping Ugla, tearing down goal posts and looking for Richt with a big ole baseball bat in her tiny hands; tell Richt to get out of town fast. She may be little, but she’s MEAN.”
So she was in a sorority at UGA then, right?
getalife
September 27th, 2011
12:03 pm
The corrupt sc will say it is constitutional because a VP of a health care company wrote the bill.
It is corporate welfare and the cons will lose.
Again.
Get over it sore losers.
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
12:10 pm
So she was in a sorority at UGA then, right?
How’d you guess?
getalife: The corrupt sc will say it is constitutional because a VP of a health care company wrote the bill.
This is going to be REAL interesting huh? I bet Faux News will set up a “Death Of Obamacare Watch”; with a ticking time bomb as the visual representation. (They have to have a visual aid so all their fans can understand).
Strawman
September 27th, 2011
12:12 pm
“I saw that (Kyle just did a blog on it); should be interesting to read the argument that they’re going to put before the Supremes huh?”
Que sera, sera when it comes to the Supreme Court. If they rule in a way not supported by the majority of Americans, then I suppose that will partly steer the outcome of the elections. If Republicans take control of the legislative and executive branches, then a favorable ruling to Obamacare will be nullified.
getalife
September 27th, 2011
12:15 pm
Debbie,
I think they found willardcare constitutional so it is much ado about nothing.
howard kurtz ( the dumbest man in politics) wrote about fox attacking the gop candidates will make the cons leave their propaganda channel.
Where are they going to go?
U.S.Pakistan ties grow increasingly strained – Politico | pakistan news
September 27th, 2011
12:15 pm
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Peadawg
September 27th, 2011
12:16 pm
“Pakistan: America’s friend and America’s enemy”
Um…didn’t we just find Osama hiding like 10 minutes from a Pakistan military base? Oh right…Pakistan didn’t know.
I would say Pakistan is most definitely our enemy.
Steve - USA
September 27th, 2011
12:17 pm
Kind of like MSNBC attacking Obama, it’s not going to happen.
getalife
September 27th, 2011
12:18 pm
Pea,
Better tell willard.
He thinks they are still our friend.
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
12:22 pm
Steve – USA — “Kind of like MSNBC attacking Obama, it’s not going to happen.”
Said the person who’s clearly never watched MSNBC.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
September 27th, 2011
12:22 pm
Well, you just can’t trust a Raghead. You even need to count your fingers after you shake hands with one. There they are over there, attacking and killing us. And all we do is give them money that we need to borrow and then we act like things is just hunky-dory. I say we stop destroying our perfectly good atomic weapons because of some librul treaty and put the things to good use. Starting with their atomic weapons and working our way to their cities. Then we can spread about six inches of salt over every square inch of that country. A dead Pakistan is a good Pakistan.
Not that I’m for war or anything like that.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Tom Middleton
September 27th, 2011
12:27 pm
Jay, we could just go steal their nukes and then tell India to go get ‘em. That’d learn ‘em, wouldn’t it? Just kidding….
Jm
September 27th, 2011
12:28 pm
Jay 9:53 probably
Though I’m pretty sure the military has plans to that effect
How practical and realistic they are is hard to speculate on
We flew in and popped OBL in the middle of their country….
Strawman
September 27th, 2011
12:28 pm
“Where are they going to go?”
After a lobotomy, to MSNBC
Trotsky Foxtrot
September 27th, 2011
12:29 pm
Lindsay Graham Considers Military Action Against Pakistan
WASHINGTON — A Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee said Sunday that the U.S. should consider military action against Pakistan if it continues to support terrorist attacks against American troops in Afghanistan.
“The sovereign nation of Pakistan is engaging in hostile acts against the United States and our ally Afghanistan that must cease, Sen. Lindsey Graham told “Fox News Sunday.”
He said if experts decided that the U.S. needs to “elevate its response,” he was confident there would be strong bipartisan support in Congress for such action.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/25/lindsay-graham-pakistan_n_980330.html?ncid=txtlnkushpmg00000002
St Simons - we're on Island time
September 27th, 2011
12:29 pm
Thank you for guest posting, Jameela, Americans, especially the cons, encourage the free expression & practice of religion. It’s #1 in our Constitution, And props to the Host. That probably wouldn’t have got in the Times-Union down here.
Mick
September 27th, 2011
12:29 pm
**We flew in and popped OBL in the middle of their country….**
Gutsy call by the president, he doesn’t get enough credit from all you naysayers….
Thulsa Doom
September 27th, 2011
12:30 pm
I’m with Brocephus on this one. Lets just leave and let them backwards azz savages go back to blowing each other up. These peoples are about as corrupt, backwards, and just plain hopeless as can be. 1000 years from now they will be just as backwards, corrupt, and crazy as they are today.
Schrodinger's cat
September 27th, 2011
12:30 pm
Debbie ya had me until “Mormon Lite”..you just couldn’t help yourself could you…Are you really gonna compare Islam to a “lighter” version of Mormonism?
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
12:30 pm
If they rule in a way not supported by the majority of Americans, then I suppose that will partly steer the outcome of the elections.
Maybe — at least that’s what Kyle is hinting at. However, the Supremes have people like Clarence and that nut job Scalia who make common sense verdicts (as in corporations are NOT entities/people), hard to second guess which way things will go. The Supremes with the two dunces on the court, have ruled against the majority in favor of Corporations time and time again.
If Republicans take control of the legislative and executive branches, then a favorable ruling to Obamacare will be nullified.
It doesn’t work like that, (supposedly). However with these justices that are now on the court leaning so literally to the right and practising judicial activism at its finest, you never know what’s going to happen next. Perhaps if one of them, (Obamacare proponent) offered Thomas some stocks, (See Monsanto’s relationship with Thomas and Thomas’ vote in their favor after he refused to recuse himself), it just might pass.
ragnar danneskjold
September 27th, 2011
12:32 pm
Adm Mullen is the closest thing to a “friend” that Pakistan has in the American government. My guess is that the good admiral was sending a message to the Pakistan military.
Thulsa Doom
September 27th, 2011
12:33 pm
Mick,
Giving the go ahead for our forces to take out UBL is actually a pretty easy call. I think any potus would have made it. I will give Obama much more credit though for turning up the drone attacks inside of Pakistan and taking it to them. Under Bush we didn’t have very many drone attacks and quite frankly if a guerilla force has safe harbor in another country then they will never be defeated. They can just outwait you. So I will give Obama a lot of credit for going after them hard in Pakistan.
Mick
September 27th, 2011
12:38 pm
doom
**Giving the go ahead for our forces to take out UBL is actually a pretty easy call**
Easy for you to say, that is. Pakistan is a sovereign country and I don’t think we would take it too kindly if cuba were to try any type of incursion into the US. Oh, wait a second, maybe that’s why they keep sending their refugees over here. You know, people like marco rubio….
Strawman
September 27th, 2011
12:38 pm
“It doesn’t work like that, (supposedly).”
If the Congress changes the law, the Supreme Court has no say in the matter except to (again) evaluate the constitutionality of the law.
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
12:38 pm
SC: Debbie ya had me until “Mormon Lite”..you just couldn’t help yourself could you…Are you really gonna compare Islam to a “lighter” version of Mormonism?
Not literally CatDaddy! (By your writing I’m ASSuming you’re a guy) My point is that Mormon is a “new” religion which has it’s own “bible” and own rules of conduct if you will. Nation Of Islam is sorta like that, they “pretend” to be followers of Islam but what they actually are are followers of Elijah Muhummad (Founder); a man who knew nothing of the relgion or its tenets but saw an opportunity to corrupt a facet of the religion for his own dogma and personal gain.
He was probably the father of “Radical” Islam.
Jm
September 27th, 2011
12:39 pm
Thulsa ditto
stranger in a strange land
September 27th, 2011
12:40 pm
Jamellah @ 1130…..so bottom lined, do you want to cut my head off?
Jm
September 27th, 2011
12:44 pm
I don’t think jay knows our military capabilities….
Even if they’re not limitless. They’re pretty close.
Jm
September 27th, 2011
12:45 pm
Pakistan is a royal mess……
RB from Gwinnett
September 27th, 2011
12:51 pm
Not to worry…. Obama’s gonna change the tone of our relations with middle east. They’re going to LOVE us when he gets done with them!!!
Just ask Mubarak and Qadaffi…
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
12:52 pm
If the Congress changes the law, the Supreme Court has no say in the matter except to (again) evaluate the constitutionality of the law.
What I meant was it just won’t happen immediately, or even at all, with the advent of a regime change. Few things are ever overturned that quickly — it’ll probably take a few years and a few fights for any type of change in a law passed down by the Legislature. For instance Abortions are still on the books, even though we’ve had a stacked house of repubs vs. dems before and theoretically the repubs could’ve changed that law the first chance they got but they didn’t.
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
12:53 pm
Y’know, when Dave was back here last week, being his usual condescending jerkazoid self, he posited that Kyle Wingfield’s blog (Kyle was apparently on vacation last week) had a higher level of discourse than Jay’s, and that’s why he prefers to hang out there now.
I submit this thread as an example of that alleged higher level of discourse. What do you think? Higher level of discourse or feces-flinging tree-monkey fight in progress?
http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2011/09/27/t-splost-is-traffic-just-not-as-bad-for-republicans/?cxntfid=blogs_kyle_wingfield
Bosch
September 27th, 2011
12:54 pm
Okay, I know this is my first post today and it is totally off topic, but:
That picture on the front of the ajc.com of that guy on top of the Washington Monument is making have a panic attack….
Strawman
September 27th, 2011
12:56 pm
“Jamellah @ 1130…..so bottom line, do you want to cut my head off?”
Ummm…I think “Jamellah” is a literary device called a persona – a fictitious character created for use, say, in sarcastic writing.
mm
September 27th, 2011
12:59 pm
jm,
“As opposed to the Libyan stingers that are now in terrorist hands.”
How do you know they are in terrorists hands? Because Libya is a muslim country? Typical.
Thomas
September 27th, 2011
12:59 pm
Ummm…I think “Jamellah” is a literary device called a persona – a fictitious character created for use, say, in sarcastic writing.
Only a/the Strawman would be equipped with such insight…..
James Kirk
September 27th, 2011
1:00 pm
With friends like that…… By the way, wouldn’t it be nice if we were a wee bit friendlier with and more suppoirtive of, oh, I don’t know, how about Western Europe? Do we need to be friendly with freaking Pakistan???
Spock
September 27th, 2011
1:02 pm
“Do we need to be friendly with freaking Pakistan???”
That’s illogical.
Spock
September 27th, 2011
1:03 pm
“Only a/the Strawman would be equipped with such insight…..”
That’s illogical.
Aquagirl
September 27th, 2011
1:06 pm
that guy on top of the Washington Monument is making have a panic attack….
Glad to know I’m not the only one who freaked out.
Mr_B
September 27th, 2011
1:08 pm
My guess is that “Jamellah” is actually Scout or one of the other local Islamophobes. Jay?
RB from Gwinnett
September 27th, 2011
1:12 pm
Is anybody else sick of hearing the lying POS congress men and women whine about the tax loopholes these evil rich people and businesses have “bought” with their lobbiest money? I mean, who in the hell do these morons think was paid to put those loopholes in the tax code in the first place? Somebody needs to tell these morons to STFU and if they don’t like bought and paid for loopholes in the tax code to stop taking the money and stop approving the laws.
And stop lying to the American people about it!! At least half of us aren’t that stupid.
Bosch
September 27th, 2011
1:15 pm
Aquagirl,
I think my heart skipped a beat…I definitely quit breathing for a bit.
H.W. Fowler
September 27th, 2011
1:17 pm
“Islamophobes”
This term was one of the first to make it into my upcoming “The King’s Politically Correct English.” A very nice term that captures the completely unfounded fear of a religion whose adherents (in parts outside of the western world) flog non-conformists to death, behead them, blow them to pieces and other innocuous things. Isn’t English great?
getalife
September 27th, 2011
1:18 pm
Looks like RB from Gwinnett finally woke up.
Welcome to the real world RB.
Jm
September 27th, 2011
1:21 pm
Mm doesn’t watch the news. And mm doesn’t make any sense either.
“How do you know they are in terrorists hands? Because Libya is a muslim country? Typical.”
Must be Getalife’s sock puppet
Mr_B
September 27th, 2011
1:21 pm
H.W.Fowler: You seem to believe that Islam has a monopoly on atrocoty. Check out the history of the Catholic Church in medieval Europe.
Do such evils exist? Sure. But they didn’t begin, nor will they end with Isalm.
jugs
September 27th, 2011
1:22 pm
the enema of my enemy is my friend….
Bosch
September 27th, 2011
1:24 pm
So, Jay, remember how you said Palin wouldn’t sue that author guy?
Well….
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2011/09/27/palin-threatens-to-sue-joe-mcginniss.html
Never underestimate dumb.
getalife
September 27th, 2011
1:25 pm
Our President has been warning us about Pakistan for years.
After he double tapped obl and the recent attacks on us over there is proof he is right.
Hillary is applying the pressure for them to act.
The adults are dealing with this problem.
Not a good time to change leadership.
Joe COOL
September 27th, 2011
1:26 pm
So, Jay, remember how you said Palin wouldn’t sue that author guy?
Well….”
I hope they bring Glen Rice up to discuss “details” of the book..lol
Waheema
September 27th, 2011
1:26 pm
Finally the Obama administration is not takiing direct action off the table as the first step in a negotiation. For too long the ivory tower rookies in the academic heavy Obama machine have been putting their ridiculous “soft power” notions to work at our expense. I have no interest in fighting with Pakistan but why start the negotiation by giving up a strong card?
The admiral likely said what he said at Hilary’s direction. Its a sign that perhaps the adults are in charge. Don’t tell Obama or Biden.
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
1:27 pm
This term was one of the first to make it into my upcoming “The King’s Politically Correct English.”
If you find a publisher let me know. I’m looking for a publisher of my “upcoming book” too. I call it “Cheney, Bush, Saxby and Isaakson — It’s true, you can actually be a hero AND smart by just staying at a Holiday Inn Express!” my subtitle can be “You Really Don’t Have 2 B Smart 2 B a Mouthpiece!
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2011
1:28 pm
Curious–how many of the folks who now so bravely declare that going to war in Afghanistan was a stupid idea to begin with and Obama is a buffoon for not bringin’ all the troops home yesterday if not sooner, were among the 10-20,000 or so out there in the streets in DC, on Sept 29, 2001, protesting the original invasion?
Show of hands?
Thought not.
H.W. Fowler
September 27th, 2011
1:31 pm
“You seem to believe that Islam has a monopoly on atrocoty. Check out the history of the Catholic Church in medieval Europe. Do such evils exist? Sure. But they didn’t begin, nor will they end with Isalm.”
Of course not. But I rather imagine few people went around dismissing others’ quite legitimate fears of the Catholic Church as “catholophobes.” That’s the point.
H.W. Fowler
September 27th, 2011
1:34 pm
“I call it “Cheney, Bush, Saxby and Isaakson — It’s true, you can actually be a hero AND smart by just staying at a Holiday Inn Express!” my subtitle can be “You Really Don’t Have 2 B Smart 2 B a Mouthpiece!”
Wow…that’s a mouthful. I’m wondering if such a long title will even fit on the cover? Might I suggest you expand the scope of the book to include almost everyone (given that we have all been unthinking “mouthpieces” of one idea or another from time to time)?
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
1:35 pm
H. W. Fowler — “But I rather imagine few people went around dismissing others’ quite legitimate fears of the Catholic Church as “catholophobes.” That’s the point.”
I take issue with your implicit characterization of the fear of Islam and of both things and adherents Islamic as “quite legitimate.”
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2011
1:38 pm
The admiral likely said what he said at Hilary’s direction. Its a sign that perhaps the adults are in charge.
Oy to the vey. I continue to be amazed at the percentage of conservatives who now consider Saint Hitlery/Hildebeast of the Sacred Cookie-Baking to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Particularly when I consider what they’d be saying about her, had she secured the nomination and was actually President today.
Mick
September 27th, 2011
1:42 pm
sfd@1:38
Ain’t it the truth?
RB from Gwinnett
September 27th, 2011
1:43 pm
SFD, Hillary would be a HUGE improvement over what we have now. By comparison, she looks like a friggin genius.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
1:45 pm
RB – I believe she is a genius. Possibly an evil genius, almost definitely a misguided one, but way better than what we’ve got now.
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2011
1:49 pm
Hillary would be a HUGE improvement over what we have now.
and if she were president, and Obama were merely (say) a cabinet member, you’d be telling us to give the nice half-Negro a chance, and to boot The Cankle/Cackler from the white house.
You guys, seriously, you’re not fooling anyone with this crap.
Pragmatic Matti
September 27th, 2011
1:52 pm
Haha! Y’all are TOO funny. Hey guess what? The Democratic Party just called and said Hillary Clinton is going to primary Obama and give us an alternative to this current disaster. Really? YEAH! Sure, it might divide the Democratic vote, but that’s okay because the righties now respect and admire her too. Sure! We’ll go ahead and make that happen since we have bi-partisan support on this. Hahaha! Sure we will.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
September 27th, 2011
1:52 pm
sfd, the righties suffer the “grass is greener” syndrome (are they smoking it?)….. Trump looked great, till he jumped in. Palin looked great until she became VP material. Perry looked great til he jumped in…… Cain looked good, until…. Now they want Christie…. In the Republican party, everybody get’s their 15 minutes to be the “leader” for President.
Hillary was also up there with Pelosi and Reid as part of the “evil”….. until she lost the campaign. Now she is a genius I tell you!
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
1:53 pm
Might I suggest you expand the scope of the book to include almost everyone (given that we have all been unthinking “mouthpieces” of one idea or another from time to time)?
Its still in the planning stages. But to be a true mouthpiece you must have a national audience so, anyone NOT on the national level just won’t work. Sorry.
RB: SFD, Hillary would be a HUGE improvement over what we have now. By comparison, she looks like a friggin genius
Hillary would’ve had you repubs crapping in your pants. The FIRST thing she woud’ve done was bring Cheney, Bush et al up on charges of sedition, perjury, and probably throw in kicking small puppies too. THEN she would’ve went after Faux News by testing the validity of a foreigner owning a major news outlet in America. THEN she would’ve had Karl Rove thrown in jail for impersonating a human being.
Hey be glad, very, very, VERY glad that you guys have Obama in office. You’ve made significant gains with Obama that Clinton would’ve laughed at and threw back into the repubs faces.
She would’ve created the dawn of a new era, “The End Of Slavish Loyalty To Insanity”. Oh and just for kicks, she would’ve FORCED repubs to read about things that make their heads explode — things like GLOBAL WARMING and ACCESS TO BIRTH CONTROL FOR TEENS — at High Schools!!!
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2011
1:53 pm
And I post this not just because I happened to see some Tea-Tard driving around with a “Hillary 2012″ sticker affixed to his beater car over the weekend. The conservatives have been pretty transparent about their motives ever since the Excrement in Broadcasting rather pathetically attempted to stage a phony primary insurrection, three years ago.
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
1:54 pm
sfd – I don’t think there is anything at all that could ever change my mind about Obama. Even as a kid, I recognized that Clinton was a good president, even if I didn’t agree with him. He made some mistakes sure, but I think he got most of his decisions right. I also think that Hillary learned from him while he was in office and would have come in with the ability to lead, and possibly to have made this a better country. You don’t know me, no matter what you may think, and you definitely don’t get to speak for me, or say what I would or wouldn’t think of someone.
Jm
September 27th, 2011
1:55 pm
And Romney is going to thump Obama
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2011
1:56 pm
The FIRST thing she woud’ve done was bring Cheney, Bush et al up on charges
Given her husband’s utter lack of interest in pursuing / prosecuting previous Reagan/Bush international shenanigans, I find this hypothetical almost laughably preposterous.
Jay
September 27th, 2011
1:57 pm
sheets
stands for decibels
September 27th, 2011
1:58 pm
You don’t know me, no matter what you may think, and you definitely don’t get to speak for me
True that. I was actually speaking to RB, though.
Bosch
September 27th, 2011
2:05 pm
“Even as a kid, I recognized that Clinton was a good president, even if I didn’t agree with him.”
So, irRAtional, as a kid, did you seriously ponder Presidential matters and policy implications?
I was into Star Wars — the movie, not the defense system.
DebbieDoRight
September 27th, 2011
2:06 pm
She is NOT her husband. Deal with it.
H.W. Fowler
September 27th, 2011
2:07 pm
“I take issue with your implicit characterization of the fear of Islam and of both things and adherents Islamic as “quite legitimate.””
Do you take issue with the fear of the Catholic Church during the 14-16th centuries?
(ir)Rational
September 27th, 2011
2:09 pm
Bosch – I had a boring childhood. Grew-up not even knowing about Star Wars until it was re-released in the late 90s (yeah, I blame my parents too). But yeah, seriously, I knew what was going on in the world as a child. Didn’t understand it all, but I did know about it. Probably that whole “lack of cable” thing, where the only tv shows I got to watch were “This Old House” and the local and national news.
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
2:10 pm
Jm — “And Romney is going to thump Obama”
Yes! Just like he thumped McCain in 2008 to win the GOP nomination!
Wait, wut?
(laughing)
Joe Mama
September 27th, 2011
2:10 pm
H. W. Fowler — “Do you take issue with the fear of the Catholic Church during the 14-16th centuries?”
Whose fear, exactly?
Pakistan Warns US to End ‘Negative Messaging’ on Militancy – Voice of America | pakistan news
September 27th, 2011
2:15 pm
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JIMBOB (aka James Robert)
September 27th, 2011
2:44 pm
In general, the dumbest of the dumb are manipulated to hate Israel via the lies of US leaders and the propagandists that fill US media, while remaining entirely accepting of the fact that the US is sending billions of dollars to a country that gladly helps kill US soldiers and foments anti civil rights bigotry.
The real Fletch
September 27th, 2011
3:10 pm
Ugh – what a mess. Why can we make synthetic oil and not synthetic gasoline? How great would it be to tell them to kiss our a55es? “Enjoy the 11th century yall – we’re outty.”
williebkind
September 27th, 2011
3:17 pm
Well since the progressive liberals wont let the military carpent bomb, I guess it makes sense to come home. But if they come over here I expect every liberal regardless of education to join the military(but not as officers) and kick them out.
williebkind
September 27th, 2011
3:20 pm
JIMBOB (aka James Robert)
September 27th, 2011
2:44 pm
Huh?
Willy Shakespeare
September 27th, 2011
3:22 pm
Cry HAVOC! and let slip the dogs of war!
Laurie
September 27th, 2011
3:25 pm
The US can make better use of that $2 billion a year in military aid. I say Congress needs to cut that out of our budget when we have our next “shutdown showdown”, which will be in about 7 weeks.
Trotsky Foxtrot
September 27th, 2011
3:37 pm
Capitalism must be smashed
Thulsa Doom
September 27th, 2011
3:43 pm
Bosch and Aquagirl,
Panic attack? I drove up to Pennsylavania this weekend for a cousin’s army retirement ceremony and on the way I passed over the New River Gorge bridge in the mountains of West Virginia. Scary. At 876 feet high from top to bottom you get butterflys looking over the side in a car. The gorge below is so deep that most of the time you can’t see the bottom from the mist and cloud cover. Its the 2nd highest bridge in the U.S. behind one in the Colorado rockies. Click on this link and you will knows what I mean.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=new%20river%20gorge%20bridge&PQ=New%20River%20go&SP=2&QS=AS&SK=AS1&sc=16-12&form=CPNTSS&pc=CPNTDF
Adam
September 27th, 2011
3:45 pm
williebkind: But if they come over here I expect every liberal regardless of education to join the military(but not as officers) and kick them out.
You lost me. Who is coming over where and what is the reason for limiting them to enlisted status?
Corey
September 27th, 2011
3:50 pm
For those who say the only thing they like about Mr. Obama is his going after and killing terrorists. You may want to familiarize yourselves with the oath the president takes. Defend and protect is primarily the entire oath. Jobs, economy etc. are nowhere to be found in the oath of office for the president. Sure Congress can toss dollars into the economy to replace lost private wealth and prop up the GDP without going totally socialist, but even that has its limits. We are in this for the long haul, and there is no super man waiting in the wings who can create a magic potion for an ailing, globally connected economy. There is no must-have big ticket item just invented that Americans feel compelled to go out and buy. Ipads and smart phones won’t do the trick. Our last hooray was the internet/dot com bubble which fizzled at the end of the last decade. The gretest purchase which has multiplier affects is a house. We all no where the housing market is now.
Corey
September 27th, 2011
4:07 pm
I remeber the nineties. Halfway into his first term in office Mr. Clinton was all but tarred and feathered by the Republicans. And his wife was a secondary target. The Republicans went after the Clintons without mercy. Rush Limbaugh served up daily doses of vile regarding the Clintons. The mid-term elections saw Congress turn majority Republican, and Americans were ready to throw Mr. Clinton under the bus. Two things salvaged Mr. Clinton’s presidency: the dot com bubble and shut’er down Newt. Compared to Mr. Clinton, the Republicans have been nice to Mr. Obama.
Jack
September 27th, 2011
4:09 pm
“Screw us over”, the man said. Yep, that’s the view most of the world has of the USA. We’re an easy mark and we have a man in the White House who advocates we bend over even further.
Corey
September 27th, 2011
4:18 pm
If Ms. Clinton had won the presidency I gurantee you the Republicans would have had some unfinished business to take care of. Every month would have brought this or that charge, investigations and hearing after hearing. Never in the history of this great nation has a first family experienced such loathing by the opposition. Rush and company even went after their daughter.
Corey
September 27th, 2011
4:27 pm
Sure Jack, like the 200+ Marines who were unarmed, sitting ducks in Lebanon between two warring factions and lost their lives due to a truck bomb. We were told that having them there was to show our presence, and that would make a difference. Best I can remember after the incident we did cut and run. I believe Mr. Reagan was commander in chief then. You mean someone tough like him? Is that what you are implying? Maybe someone who had to admit after saying “We did not trade arma for hostages.” Said “We did indeed trade arms for hostages.” Someone like that, Jack?
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September 27th, 2011
5:07 pm
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Marqwaysha
September 27th, 2011
5:46 pm
“…publicly accused Pakistan — an American ally and recipient of $2 billion a year in military aid — of helping to carry out both a deadly, high-profile attack on the U.S. embassy in Kabul and the truck bombing of a NATO base that wounded 77 soldiers.”
Pakistan reminds me of the Lt. Milo Minderbinder character in “Catch 22″.